0LD YANK & SI0BHAN – THANK Y0U GENTLEMAN F0R INF0RMATIVE P0STS EVEN TH0UGH MY 0PINI0N DIFFERED IN S0ME INSTANCES ATLEAST M0STLY THE P0STS WERE FACTUAL & INF0RMATIVE A FAR CRY FR0M THE USUAL GARBAGE FR0M THESE CASUAL FANS WH0 0NLY STARTED WATCHING B0XING WITH MIKE TYS0N ( N0 DISRESPECT T0 MIKE)Posted September 19, 2013 3:17 am
Wow…thank you, I appreciate that! I’ve enjoyed your comments too!Posted September 18, 2013 8:34 pm
Siobhan NY — My instinct is that we agree on more than something. Your passion shines. Your gravitation to the purist side of the sport is obvious. My task, over time, will be to convince you that without paying homage to the roots of the sport (last man standing), the sport we share an affection for will die. A respect from where we came is required of us — it is our only hope if we are to ask for the respect of future generations to come (respect and agreement are not mutually exclusive nor mutually required). And I know how to pronounce your name. I am of Viking heritage and our sagas speak of stealing only the strongest, brightest and most beautiful from the shores of Ireland — and this is why Icelandic women are among the strongest personalities and most beautiful in the world today. I’ve enjoyed your comments. Respect!Posted September 18, 2013 7:07 pm
Really?? Let’s see…he faced Chris Eubank in 1997, former WBC champ Robin Reid in 1999, former WBC champ Richie Woodhall in 2000, Mario Veit in 2001 & 2005, former WBA champ Byron Mitchell in 2003, Evans Ashira in 2005 and the then unbeaten IBF champ Jeff Lacy in 2006!!
I agree that none of those guys were elite like Prime Jones, Prime Toney, Prime Hopkins etc, but they certainly represented a LEGITIMATE THREAT!!
Anonymous…your opinion is based on a huge lack of knowledge so keep it to yourself.Posted September 18, 2013 6:53 pm
JOE WAS A NOBODY. HE FOUGHT BUM AFTER BUM.Posted September 18, 2013 6:36 pm
At least we agree on something…Posted September 18, 2013 5:36 pm
And I don’ think characterizing Monzon/Benvenuti or Griffith/Tiger as a couple of bums pounding on each other even approaches reality. The alternative is NOT the stylizing of Mayweather or two bums beating on each other. The alternative is sadly too often between being entertained and being bored.
The sport is FIRST AND FOREMOST about ENTERTAINMENT!Posted September 18, 2013 4:14 pm
80 DOLLARS TO WATCH A SPARING JOB. NO WONDER MAYWEATHER LOVES YOU PRICKS.Posted September 18, 2013 4:08 pm
Siobhan NY — I am a quintesential fan of boxing. I admire the defensive genius of Pep, Whitaker, Wright and Mayweather. I like Mayweather the best of this lot because given the opportunity he will break you down and put you down.
I am simply stating the obvious: if the entire sport was dominated by Mayweather’s style it would die! There are not enough fans of what so many see as BORING to allow the sport to survive.
Let’s be honest, “killers” like Carlos Monzon (track you down and kill you), have monster appeal. He might be the best middleweight ever, and his style was leagues apart from Mayweather’s.
I absolutely see Mayweather as an all-time-great. But many of the changes in the sport over the last century have paved a way for his style to shine.
PS — I agree with your assessment of Calzaghe.Posted September 18, 2013 4:03 pm
Old Yank – come on man, it’s not like Floyd was in there with a Prime Roy Jones or Tito Trinidad.. it was Cinnabum?? LOLPosted September 18, 2013 3:51 pm
By the way…Joe Calzaghe is one of the very finest fighters Britain has ever produced!! The italian dragon had the supreme & very rare confidence that a champion should have…a rock solid belief in himself!!Posted September 18, 2013 3:38 pm
250 million dollar Showtime Contract…P4P #1…45-0…the highest paid athlete in the world…
This is boxing…not street fighting!! Ok, we all enjoy a slugfest, but I would prefer to see one with SKILLS than two idiots just hammering each other.
“Mayweather was so good against Canelo that the fight was boring” (Magic Johnson)
“Mayweather is a little boring.” (Freddie Roach)
“I’m bored with watching him [Mayweather] to be honest with you.” (Ricky Hatton)
“Relax Floyd fanatics, I’m not saying your superhero is untalented or ineffective. I’m just saying he bores the crap out of me.” (Lee Harris, The Bleacher Report)
“He is both cripplingly boring and endlessly compelling at the same time, both in real life and in the ring.” (Connor Simpson, The Atlantic Wire)
“Watching Mayweather pick The Ghost apart was fun for a while, but by the time the championship rounds came calling, the fight was downright boring.” (Jesse Reed, The Bleacher Report)
“Floyd Mayweather masterful but boring in victory.” (Ron Borges, Boston Herald)
This reference to “boring” can go on and on and on. As Bert Sugar pounded into my head, never forget that boxing is entertainment.
When the three remaining “purists” are sitting around wondering what happened to boxing, Bert Sugar’s words will have a PROFOUND RING!Posted September 18, 2013 2:02 pm
I know that Siobhan is a feminine irish name. But how do you pronounce Siobhan???Posted September 18, 2013 1:20 pm
Siobhan NY — “It’s a bigger world sport then it ever was!!”
The sport is not measured by the one-off anomalies like the bout we watched last Saturday. It is better measured by what’s happen in gyms like Kenny Weldon’s in Texas — and better measured by the struggles gyms like his are experiencing all over the world. To be sure, in a post-Soviet Union era many, many nations that would not allow their amateurs to go pro, now so do. So the sport has grown by this anomaly as well. But we do not have a huge block of nations that will unleash pro boxers like the Eastern Block did over the past couple of decades. That’s done.
What we do have are an increasing number of struggling gyms with fewer and fewer kids showing up to want to be amateur fighters. The budget of eastern bloc nations that was once available to spend on a youth’s lifetime development of his boxing skills is dried up. The NCAA will likely never sanction boxing at the college level ever again. The well-spring of how boxing grows as a sport is going dry.
So we will be increasingly fed Seth Mitchell-like “fighters” and young men with 12 bout amateur careers. And if that proves to be enough to keep the attention of fans, then I’m going to be outta here!
No my new friend, I do not believe what you are seeing in boxing as a “growing sport” is a trend – it is nothing more than a brief run in a downward trend that set in a long time back. The uptick you see can be explained by the size of one-off events becoming more spectacular circus shows (but they are the anomalies, not the norm) and by a dozen or so nations fielding fighters who were not doing so before.
But the well spring of talent that feeds the sport is going dry.
Ask a struggling gym owner.Posted September 18, 2013 12:49 pm
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@Hidalgo Yeah I remember that…Posted September 18, 2013 11:52 am
@Anonymous I meant BOXING!!Posted September 18, 2013 11:51 am
It’s a bigger world sport then it ever was!!Posted September 18, 2013 11:28 am
Cycling, cricket, MMA, equestrian all BLOW THE DOORS off boxing’s internet traffic.Posted September 18, 2013 11:06 am
TARK — Internet success is measured by Twitter followers, Facebook fans and various social media “hits” and web site traffic statistics. Boxing is so far down the list on all of these measures that it is impossible to know if you are unknowledgeable about these things or simply a blatant liar.
For example, NASCAR and India Cricket BLOW THE DOORS of boxing in internet traffic.
I bet your cell phone is still the size of a shoe box!Posted September 18, 2013 11:05 am
My bet is that most boxing fans reading this recognize that in society, in the movies, sitcoms, sports and more, the phrase “everyone loves the villain” has a ring of truth to it.
Larry Hagman’s character in the blockbuster TV series Dallas was a villain. Freddy Krueger returned again and again in blockbuster followed by blockbuster. Villains draw crowds. Fans watched!
Mayweather is a character who transcends boxing. People will find reasons to love to hate him and to love to love him that have NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW HE FIGHTS IN THE RING!
The measure of Mayweather’s greatness as a fighter likely has a correlation to his “box office” success, but jumping from correlation to cause and effect is a dangerous business — cause and effect are NOT the same thing as correlation.
Mayweather’s “box office” success has many, many moving parts to it: the repeating chants of “Canelo-Canelo” last Saturday lend credence to a lot of folks showing up in the hopes of watching Mayweather lose; the level of hype driving the bout contributed to the box office success; the pure numbers paint a picture that many non-hardcore fans showed up (or bought a PPV who normally don’t) and most of these non-hardcore fans would not know great technique from a lucky KO.
So we can reasonably conclude that Mayweather’s “style” may have played some role in the box office success but too many other factors were involved to conclude that fans paid up exclusively to watch technique. And to be sure, non-style and non-boxing factors may have played a larger role.
I conclude that Mayweather is a form of parody of much that is tangible and intangible and ultimately has become a characterization of something that gets a lot of attention — the villain, the fighter, the boxer, the rich guy, the wife beater, the quintessential self-promoter, the controversy wrapped in a controversy, and on and on and on…Posted September 18, 2013 9:59 am
Siobhan, Jim Lampley is a flaming idiot. Only he would ask Floyd what football team he liked to win while Floyd was in the middle of a fight, then bragg about it to his HBO associates live while the fight was being taped. Yes, Lampley really did this. He’s a fool from the word go.Posted September 18, 2013 9:29 am
Ramon Here lies the problem with HBO and their version of what boxing should be. It’s going to produce more injuries and brain damage because guys like Merchant and Lampley with all their blood thirst and ignorance, have never set foot in the ring.
As Cus d’Amato used to say..”People talk about boxing as a ‘brutal’ sport. If fighters got hit as often as people think, they’d all quit.” Lampley and Merchants perverted Rocky-esque view of what boxing is or should be is not an accurate one. The consequences some of these guys face to appease the blow hards/spin doctors is not worth the short money they are being paid.
If HBO commentators had a true appreciation for boxing they’d celebrate guys like RIGONDEAUX and Ward for their brilliance. Instead…they want rock ‘em sock ‘em robots.Posted September 18, 2013 8:50 am
Ramon Here lies the problem with HBO and their version of what boxing should be. it’s going to produce more injuries and brain damage because guys like Merchant and Lampley with all their blood thirst and ignorance, have never set foot in the ring.
As Cus d’Amato used to say..”People talk about boxing as a ‘brutal’ sport. If fighters got hit as often as people think, they’d all quit.” Lampley and merchants perverted rocky-esque view of what boxing is or should be is not an accurate one. The consequences some of these guys face to appease the blow hards/spin doctors is not worth the short money they are being paid.
If HBO commentators had a true appreciation for boxing they’d celebrate guys like RIGONDEAUX and Ward for their brilliance. Instead…they want rock ‘em sock ‘em robots.Posted September 18, 2013 8:39 am
Obviously 114-114 is not even realistic. But I thought it was interesting when compared only to Moretti’s card.Posted September 18, 2013 2:11 am
“The fix was in.., But you can’t put up a 114-114 score in a fight like this.. The judge who put up the 116-112 score was trying to make Canelo win too.. He just realized he couldn’t and used better judgment.”
I can’t see how you figure that, Tark. With a scorecard of 116-112, Moretti’s decision was only one round off from Metcalfe’s who scored the fight 117-111. And Moretti’s card still showed Floyd winning twice as many rounds as Canelo.
Both Moretti and Metcalfe gave the first round to Mayweather. Moretti gave round 2 to Floyd whereas Metcalfe gave it to Canelo. They scored rounds 1, and 4 through 8 exactly the same and all for Floyd. For the last four rounds of the fight Metcalfe gave Floyd and Canelo two rounds a piece. Moretti gave Floyd one and Canelo three. Moretti gave the 10th round to Floyd whereas Metcalfe gave it to Canelo. The big differences was in round 9 through twelve, as I said before, yet Moretti only gave one more round to Canelo than Metcalfe did.
I think Moretti’s card was very reasonable if you compare it to Metcalfe’s who had Floyd winning by the widest margin.
But here’s a weird thing if you look at it from the other side of the fence:
Ross’ scorecard differed from Moretti’s by only two points. She scored exactly the same he did for all rounds except rounds 1 and 8. Obviously that’s how she ended up with a 114-114 score.Posted September 18, 2013 2:09 am
Octavius Jomar Chatman
This the SECOND time this INCOMPETENT individual has pulled a stunt like this. An investigation is an ORDER if not; at least make sure she NEVER judges a MAJOR FIGHT of this magnitude again.Posted September 17, 2013 11:10 pm
The fix was in.., But you can’t put up a 114-114 score in a fight like this.. The judge who put up the 116-112 score was trying to make Canelo win too.. He just realized he couldn’t and used better judgment.Posted September 17, 2013 10:52 pm
C.J Ross’s future? Collecting the cash off who ever got 2 her 4 the Bradley vs PAC and Floyd vs Alvarez fights….Imagine how much coin the general public lost on those 2. Questions need 2 b asked.Posted September 17, 2013 10:22 pm
Wrong Thread, my bad!Posted September 17, 2013 7:57 pm
Old old Yank
If WLADIMIR KLITCHKO is the prototype of the future of the sport then it is going to
drive the sport to the depths of boredom, that’s for SURE!!!!Posted September 17, 2013 7:46 pm
Old old Yank says
The fight was a big as it was because the fans were PRAYING for Canelo handing Mayweather a beating.
All fans? You mean just a FEW fans!!!!Posted September 17, 2013 7:40 pm
Why is the sport NOT annointing someone else King? Sooner or later the “wanting to see him lose” thesis gets OLD…. People are not gonna pony up over and over to see a fighter they don’t like rub his skills in their face…Fact is Yank you are only happy when a fighter appears vulnerable in the ring which is NOT Floyds M.O hence your angst… Your silly discussions of Canelos lung capacity are a waste of time, he could have a Whales lungs, Floyds just too damn slick… Accept this he only has a couple years left, can you make it?Posted September 17, 2013 7:34 pm
Old Yank, your thesis is not supported by numbers, since he beat Oscar De La Hoya the public has bought MORE of Floyds PPV’s and paid him more than anyone.. I ask again if the publics appetite does not include sublime boxing then why is Mayweather their favored son? He made a base of 41.5 mill because of the demand he generates so how do YOU decide what everyone needs? Numbers don’t lie, people are responding to consistent Excellence and Floyds the KING if that… Do you think GGG will be selling 1 million buys anytime soon??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Not a shot!! Money May has imposed his will for 17 years and he’s being rewarded for it…Posted September 17, 2013 7:29 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)
Feather-fisted Devon Alexander sucks will NEVER deserve a fight vs. FMJ — even if he beats china-chinned Khan. There are two names that FMJ should never fight unless he wants to be labeled a cherry-picking farce by millions of other fight fans.Posted September 17, 2013 7:20 pm
Indeed it is NOT ALWAYS about “hit and not get hit” and it is NOT ALWAYS about scoring a stunning KO after eating one to give two. The sweet science is about BALANCE between being able to place a beating on your opponent and being able to out-technique your opponent. And ultimately it is about ENTERTAINING FANS.
There are perhaps a dozen fans who really give a crap about technique – -most come for the blood and guts. The purists rave about the chess match while watching the fans start walking out on a Mayweather schooling of Baldomir before the end of the 9th.
If Mayweather is the prototype of the future of the sport then it is going to drive the sport to the depths of boredom.
The fight was a big as it was because the fans were PRAYING for Canelo handing Mayweather a beating. Or were you asleep when the chanting was going on in the bout?Posted September 17, 2013 6:56 pm
Old Yank says.., “Boxing has drifted afar from its roots… Robinson, Lenoard, Duran, Hearns and Hagler all paid homage to those roots.”
The “Last Man Standing Roots?” … They sure did.
Joey Maxim was the last man standing when Ray Robinson couldn’t finish. Robinson didn’t want a rematch.. Of course Maxim was 15 pounds heavier.
Former 130-pounder Hector Comacho—Leonard’s last opponent—was the last man standing in their fight.. Leonard quit, but that’s Okay.. Ray still got paid.
Duran unexpectedly turned and walked away from Leonard—leaving Ray the last man standing. That’s okay too… Duran still got paid.
Hagler was still standing after his fight with Leonard. Of course Marv was comprehensively outboxed and beaten by the welterweight—who was coming off a 3-year-layoff … and had one (1) fight in the previous five (5) years.Posted September 17, 2013 6:08 pm
Old Yank, SREDMOND, good points on both sides.Posted September 17, 2013 5:45 pm
It’s not always about two guys punching each others faces in. The single hardest thing in a boxing ring, especially at the highest level of the sport, is to not get hit. The whole point of a fight is to hit and NOT get hit!! And it’s not like Floyd merely tries to survive, he also breaks his opponents down while he’s at it. Floyd’s style is for the Purist…for those who appreciate the sweet science! It will be a sad day for boxing when Floyd retires!Posted September 17, 2013 5:19 pm
@TJ Thank you!Posted September 17, 2013 5:16 pm
LOL at anyone buying into Kizer’s nonsense about the problem being the 10 point must system. Anyone who’s not been bribed can come up with a reasonable scorecard even if many rounds are close. The problem is bribes, whether overt or implied, these judges are on the take. And the fact GBP and TMT did not intervene when CJ Ross was assigned to The One reveals their own failure. They thought since Pacquiao is a Top Rank fighter that CJ Ross wouldn’t rob them. Wrong.Posted September 17, 2013 5:12 pm
Boxing has its roots in “last man standing”. There were no C.J. Ross’s to worry about because no judges were necessary. Two fighters, two chief seconds and one referee — the last man standing was the winner.
All of this nonsense about boxing being about “hit and not get hit” has its limits. Indeed in today’s day and age of ballerinas of the ring (ushered in by the Willie Peps and Pernell Whitakers and Winky Wrights), the sport has drifted afar from its roots.
Robinson, Lenoard, Duran, Hearns and Hagler all paid homage to those roots by attempting to demonstrate two things in the ring: 1. An ability to impose their will on an opponent, and 2. provide some evidence in an homage payment to the days of last man standing that they would be that last man standing if given enough time to do so.
Mayweather is not of any of these old school eras. He is of the post Pep, Whitaker, Wright period where paying homage to being last man standing has given way to new school definitions of the sweet science — as if the science was never rooted in causing the submission of an opponent via the imposition of ones will to the point where wits and fists leaves only the last man standing.
Last man standing gave way to 30 and 20 round bouts; and they gave way to the 15 round championship distance; and it has given way to 12 rounds. Six and 8 ounce gloves have given way to 8 and 10 ounce gloves. And 18 foot rings have given way to 22 and 24 foot rings — providing enough room to run from the bulls of Pompelona. All of this has removed slices of the brutality once in the sport – all have given way to the ability of Mayweather to be great in the context of his time.
But there is new school and there is old school.
So, enough with the new school already. The history of boxing is NOT exclusively about “hit and not get hit”. Fans that once would have been new fans for boxing in the “old school” days have swung to the “last man standing” feel of MMA. “Hit and not get hit” has crushed all that remains of last man standing and with it paying homage to the roots of a great sport is all but dead!Posted September 17, 2013 4:53 pm
You obviously don’t understand the objective of a boxer!! In boxing the KEY is to hit and NOT get hit!! Floyd is one of the all time masters at it!! He doesn’t need to suffer injury if he doesn’t have to!! And while going on “reverse” and “not fighting” he KO’ed your Ricky.
Posted September 17, 2013 2:58 pm
WELL SAID SIOBHAN! You show more understanding of the sport of boxing than most posters on here!
Anyone who has boxed will attest that the first thing they will have been taught is ANY FOOL CAN FIGHT, BUT NOT MANY CAN BOX!
We are taught that the aim of boxing is to hit, without getting hit in return. Some of you who gushed about RIGONDEAUX a few weeks ago are now up in arms against FLOYD! This smacks of hypocrisy at its worst!
If you want to see a fight, hang out at your local bar, club or strip joint and you will see enough blood and guts to satisfy your bloodlust. Better still, man up and challenge the toughest guy in your area as you all seem to be hard nuts behind your PCs!!!!
This is boxing, where the top boxers tend to use their cerebral matter to win bouts rather than going toe-to-toe and swinging for the hills!Posted September 17, 2013 3:50 pm
HE HAS JUST BEAT ONE PRICK,WHY NOT ANOTHER ONE.Posted September 17, 2013 3:42 pm
SREDMOND, Good day champ. Cannot disagree with you there on Khan. I don’t understand why the talk of Khan with Mayweather either. He still has to get past Alexander and as far as I’m concerned, that’s a BIG TASK with his low punch resistance. I habe to rank him right up there with Roy Jones for a NATURAL glass jaw. Mayweather? Forget it. Mayweather even with his light punches,will reach Khan. Don’t think aboit Mayweather. It would ne only a matter of a very short time before he would time Khan and counter him. Not good. Cheers sir.Posted September 17, 2013 3:24 pm
Herron says.., “TARK.., The biggest problem isn’t incompetent judges in boxing, it’s the flaw in the scoring system.”
The 10-point scoring system is better than the old “rounds” scoring system. I had Ali winning the 1st Frazier fight 8 rounds to 7 under the system that existed at that time. But I felt Frazier was the rightful winner.
Under the 10-point must system I would have given Frazier two 10-8 rounds in the 11th and 15th which would make him the winner—and more accurately reflected the fight.
The problem is, most judges dish out 10-9 rounds for almost every round.
“That was an easy round to score. “A” out-landed “B” 15 punches to 7, so 10-9 for “A” … Followed by “That was a tough round to score. “A” and “B” landed 13 punches each. Let’s see. Next criteria is defense. I think “B” made “A” miss more, so 10-9 for “B” — Alright, even fight so far.”
The loser gets 10 points or less, but every judge habitually scores every round 10-9 regardless of the margin of victory. That goes to the issue of tradition, training, and competence. Most highly paid professional judges, who score World Championship Fights, just aren’t as skilled, knowledgeable, objective, intelligent, sharp eyed, and short-term memory retentive as they need to be. That goes to the talent pool used and the training they receive…
Mostly it’s relatives and friends of insiders who get these cushy jobs, instead of broadly searched out and finely selected and trained candidates. We need more judges who take pride in their skill, knowledge, and performance, instead of somebody who just happens to be related to Harold Lederman for instance.Posted September 17, 2013 3:01 pm
You obviously don’t understand the objective of a boxer!! In boxing the KEY is to hit and NOT get hit!! Floyd is one of the all time masters at it!! He doesn’t need to suffer injury if he doesn’t have to!! And while going on “reverse” and “not fighting” he KO’ed your Ricky.Posted September 17, 2013 2:58 pm
Khan is NOT gonna get by Alexander, Devon is inconsistent but he is STRONG and fast enough to catch the hittable Khan who is wobbling more and more even against Diaz… Khan will be thinking “Mayweather” and Alexander will catch him and turn his lights out…. Khan is a projected money fight but the idea he is gonna get by Alexander or do it in a fashion that makes him marketable does not seem likely to me…Everytime Khan overlooks his opponent or discusses Mayweather he has a BAD outing…Posted September 17, 2013 2:56 pm
Floyd out fought, out thought and knocked out Ricky Hatton with ease… That mauling style and telegraphed punching got Ricky OVER 40 wins, against Floyd he found himself on the floor…Why in the World would Floyd Mayweather try and make it an easier night for an opponent that makes NO sense… He was supposed to frustrate Hatton and then take him apart which he did… The last 3 rounds against Hatton were simply poetry by Floyd he did everything jabs, pot shots, right hands, left hooks, body punching, lateral movement and then trapped him and knocked him back to the UK with his fans trying to do a radio edit of “Theres only one Ricky Hatton”…..Floyd sent Hatton on the road to ruin, Pac Man blasted what was left and sent Ricky permanently to the PUB…..Posted September 17, 2013 2:53 pm
Mayweather grabs hold of Hatton whenever they get close.
WTH? Mayweather cracked Hatton like a common chicken coop egg!Posted September 17, 2013 2:17 pm
Hatton was the best Mayweather ever faced, Hatton’s style is unique and dangerous!!!Posted September 17, 2013 1:54 pm
Even if Khan gets knocked out by Devon, Khan will still get a shot at Mayweather. Just because he throws fast punches, GBP think Khan is some kind of threat. He isn’t. His punches will hit Floyd’s arms and gloves. Khan sucks. Garcia and Bradley should be next in line. Plus Martinez at a catchweight. It is a JOKE that Khan is even being considered worthy of sharing the ring with Mayweather.Posted September 17, 2013 1:26 pm
Although many think Mayweather and Pac fight would be competitive I highly disagree. When pac fights he outs himself out of position too much and Floyd being the great counter puncher he is would catch pac the way Marquez did. If Floyd wants to end his career with a bang and a sensational ko he should make Manny his last fight. I think that’s is the only person who many fans want to see Floyd fight. And I believe he has the power to ko the smaller pac.Posted September 17, 2013 1:22 pm
“It’s ridiculous for a reasonable, rational, intelligent person with good eyesight to come up with that kind of score unless they were paid off. But maybe she’s just incompetent ..”
I’m leaning more towards “incompetent.”Posted September 17, 2013 1:01 pm
I will again suggest that those who are so certain that Mayweather does not belong in the same sentence as Robinson, Duran, Hearns, Leonard and more, please find a photo of the most damaged Mayweather following a bout that you can come up with and post the photo. We will then compare the damage these other greats absorbed via photographic evidence. If this were a trial, the photographic evidence would look COMPELLING! Mayweather has NEVER taken a beating — NEVER. Each of the others have.Posted September 17, 2013 12:52 pm
Jack — Hatton also lost to via KO to Vyacheslav Senchenko. Many would argue that he also lost to Collazo. And others would argue that aside from his losses his most notable wins were against twice retired, past-it fighters — few, if any at the top of their game and in their prime.Posted September 17, 2013 12:42 pm
Sugar Ray, well put. I agree with you 100%. Floyd isn’t in the same league as the greats of the past.Posted September 17, 2013 12:30 pm
SugarRay, I could not agree with you more. Well said friend. Well said. Cheers captain.Posted September 17, 2013 12:22 pm
Hatton fights like pacquiao.. he’s a brawler and attacker he gave Floyd a lot of trouble, pacquiao will beat Floyd’s assPosted September 17, 2013 11:38 am
Hatton’s only defeats are agains’t the best of the best. Pac and Mayweather.Posted September 17, 2013 11:33 am
oct 26 hopkins over muratPosted September 17, 2013 11:00 am
It is no secret that I was particularly hard on Hatton when he was active. This mostly grew out of playing the role of a reactionary to delusional fans claiming Hatton was going to man-handle Mayweather.
Mayweather was/is a bit like Ray “Boom Boom” Mancini — two guys that took limited skills and made more of them than any man should be allowed to do. It is impossible to deny the entertainment value of these two guys.
In terms of pure skills Hatton falls short of being Hall of Fame material in my opinion. However, when everything Hatton is can be taken into consideration, he will likely end up a first ballot entry.Posted September 17, 2013 10:56 am
Any fighter with the concessions Floyd gets like, oh you know, CATCHWEIGHTS, is going to appear to be phenomenal, how could he not. When has Floyd fought ANYONE in his career on an equal basis where the opponent was considered as accomplished, as successful as dangerous and not some underdog and, not at Catchweight? ? Floyds career has not been what his team would like fans to believe because it has not been that way. The fighter that got the closest to out classing Floyd was Pac, but as anyone knows…..Floyd did whatever was possible to circumvent that from ever happening. I don’t believe, and neither should anyone believe that Floyd felt some sort of apprehension about facing Pac without Pac submitting to peds testing. Floyd has said many many times…..”skills pay bills” so we know for a fact his ranting about the peds issue was a bunch of crock. Supposedly he’s against Pac not testing for peds…..but on the other hand….Floyd has no qualms about forcing his opponents to lose more weight than they really need to thereby creating an advantage for him. That dude has some friggin nerve and this so called scribe wants readers from this site to believe Floyd is some special fighter. Special fighters were those from the early 90′s and before.Posted September 17, 2013 10:43 am
TED THE BULL SARES KID BLAST WAITNG FOR STEVESON CLOUD WALD VS PROVENKEN JAn 18 2O14 BUTE vs pascalPosted September 17, 2013 9:29 am
sugar ray argreePosted September 17, 2013 9:21 am
As great of a defensive fighter as Mayweather is, he’ll never be considered the greatest fighter and an all-time great. When you compare his level of competition and career to some of the greatest fighters in history, he comes up short big time. Mayweather can politic and publicly make his case as the greatest ever but he’s not fooling real boxing people like Larry Merchant and the knowledgeable fan like me. When you look at Mayweather, he’s simply a low risk-high reward cherry picker who always looks to fight smaller, less skilled, battle worn, and past their prime opponents. Doing this has made him a masterful businessman who has made millions of dollars but his boxing legacy and reputation has suffered in the eyes of real boxing people and fans who know him as “Fraud Mayweather.” This is guy who has no signature fight in his career like all great fighters and he’s avoided all top threatening opponents dating back to his days at lightweight. When you closely look at his record, there are no fights with Kostya Tszyu, Shane Mosely (at lightweight and welterweight), Zab Judah (early at welterweight), Miguel Cotto (at junior welterweight and welterweight), Antonio Margarito, Winky Wright, Joshua Clottey, Paul Williams, Sergio Martinez, Manny Pacquaio, or Golovkin. He’s always taken the easy road instead of challenging himself against the best fighters and climbing the mountain of greatness. When you look at Pacquiao’s historic run the last several years, this is what Mayweather should have done instead of doing everything he can to stay undefeated. Some people particularly casual fans are ignorant and give him way too much credit for beating guys like Baldomir, Corley, and Alvarez who are way below his skill level. Mayweather can end his career undefeated but this clearly means nothing when he hasn’t fought the best talent of his era. At the end of the day, he’s another Roy Jones, Jr. and he’s clearly not in the same class with Sugar Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Thomas Hearns, Marvin Hagler, Alexis Arguello, Aaron Pryor, and Pernell Whitaker. All these guys were real fighters and they would easily beaten and knocked him out. It’s time casual boxing fans wake up and understand that Mayweather is not as great as he wants you to believe or the greatest of all-time.Posted September 17, 2013 9:07 am
I dispute this idea that Hatton was a mindless brawler or couldn`t box.
What Hatton did was take the physical attributes he had and made them into an exciting effective pressure fighter.
The guy was short, wide, bulldog-like, and had an issue which meant he couldn`t straighten his elbows – which ruled out an effective jab.
He was never going to be a guy working off of fast reactions, boxing and moving, his strength was in close, using leverage, and trying to work combinations of hooks.
He couldn`t jab his way in so he’d half step his way in to the point that he could launch a lead left hook, or a pawing lead right.
He didn`t fail against Floyd because he lacks any ability, he failed for the same reason 43 other guys did, Floyd looked at what he offered offensively and just absolutely nullified it after a couple of rounds.Posted September 17, 2013 5:50 am
testPosted September 17, 2013 5:37 am
‘Pac couldn’t even KO Bradley who is a LESSER Defensive Fighter than Floyd. SO get REAL.’
DESERT STORM may never be the same after the battering he took from PROVODNIKOV… He may have won the bout, but that sort of beating could effect his punch resistance in bouts to come and the last man you want to face after a beating like that is DINAMITA.
If there is any lasting damage DINAMITA will find him out. I predict MARQUEZ wins in a good, lively encounter as DESERT has the heart of a lion but necessarily the brains to outwit MARQUEZ.Posted September 17, 2013 5:08 am
Next event in May 2014- Mayweather vs Alexander, Garcia vs Adrian B, Alvarez vs Lara.Posted September 17, 2013 3:54 am
Pac couldn’t even KO Bradley who is a LESSER Defensive Fighter than Floyd. SO get REAL.Posted September 17, 2013 2:44 am
guys here a thing,,floyd really don’t want a fight vs pac,,,coz u know why? pac has an ability to KO his opponent at 1 single punch…Do u notice most of floyds opponent has not really a single deadly puncher??….with the speed and angles of pac plus a power punch can change the game of floyd,,,thats why floyd avoids pac,,,for real.Posted September 17, 2013 2:38 am
I don’t blame Ross. I blame those who trained her. Obviously she favors ACTIVITY over Effective punches landed which is WRONG. Thats why she also gave Bradley the Fight over Pacquiao. The ONLY area where Canelo WON was punches thrown. SO when you see Ross scoring your Fight you’d better make sure you throw more punches than your opponent.Posted September 17, 2013 2:32 am
Chocky doesn’t want to accept that his idol Pedquaio was on ‘juice’that time and now he wants to get tested cos he’s off them. i thought needles make him weakPosted September 17, 2013 1:47 am
Herron.., I did not know the glove size when I told you Matthysse-Garcia would go 12 rounds.. Both fighters are fair boxers and both have strong chins.. A KO was just not in the cards..
You can be knocked stiff with any size glove… and you can survive any size.Posted September 16, 2013 11:41 pm
@Kid Blast.., “Tark, are you serious? You have become a weathervane changing your tune on just about every other post. Ross is incompetent, Kizer lacks spine, and a 114-114 score is an abomination. Ross made 8k this horrendous job. She should be fired forthwith.”
I agree she should be fired and never judge another fight. What did I say that was inconsistent with that??? Did you read a post from another TARK???
It’s ridiculous for a reasonable, rational, intelligent person with good eyesight to come up with that kind of score unless they were paid off. But maybe she’s just incompetent because she has a history of coming up with ludicrous scores. My question is, why was she selected for this fight??? I was just posing a solution to bad judging in general, which is undermining the sport.Posted September 16, 2013 11:32 pm
I disagree, the gloves would not have made a difference. Danny is the better fighter. Matthyssse is a rugged puncher, but he gets hit. Danny would have also benefited by the lighter gloves. That eye would have been busted up sooner. If you depend on the size of a glove for a win, you better work on your skills. Danny wins this one either way. In a rematch, he would do the same IMO.Posted September 16, 2013 11:05 pm
I honestly think 10 ounce gloves made a real difference in the outcome of the fight.
Garcia might have been able to get a knock-out if he had been able to use 8 ounce gloves.
But, maybe he elects to fight a more tentative fight with matthysse throwing shots with eight ounce gloves.
Hard to say…definitely call for an Atlantic City rematch in my mind.
But also, did Team Garcia want 10 ounce gloves? Do you guys think it was stipulated in the contract?Posted September 16, 2013 10:06 pm
“Do you think 8 ounce gloves against punchers like Garcia and Matthysse would provide a different outcome?
Should there be a rematch in California or Atlantic City?
What do you guys think?”
8 ounce gloves would definitely favor punchers like Garcia and Matthysse–especially Matthysse. But for me, it’s kind of hard to put that into perspective based on Saturday night’s fight. Danny really tore Lucas up. On the other hand, Lucas tagged Danny with some pretty good shots–shots that might have made a difference had Matthysse been wearing 8 ounce gloves. But then I think it’s only fair that we ask ourselves, if Danny had eight ounce gloves would he have cut Matthysse’s face to smithereens?
Rematch? Absolutely. You know #2 would be just as good a fight as the first one was. In California. I can drive to that bout. :)Posted September 16, 2013 9:56 pm
Herron, there definitely should be rematch between Mattthysse and Garcia.
California is too corrupt.
Fighters have always sparred with heavier boxing gloves because they do less damagePosted September 16, 2013 9:55 pm
Please do, Hidalgo.
Also, one point that I brought up on Sunday’s show that has gotten a lot of attention via email, is that most people weren’t aware of the fact that Nevada forces 140 pound fighters to use 10 ounce gloves if they don’t negotiate an eight ounce glove stipulation before the fight.
Do you think 8 ounce gloves against punchers like Garcia and Matthysse would provide a different outcome?
Should there be a rematch in California or Atlantic City?
What do you guys think?Posted September 16, 2013 9:47 pm
Mayweather has never ever fought who the fans wanted him to fight unless its like five years later and they’re on losing streak.
Only the paid off pundits wanted him to fight Canelo. The real fans wanted him to fight GGG, Lara, Martinez, Molina, etc…Posted September 16, 2013 9:42 pm
“I’m going to address this issue with Paulie Malignaggi and Don Chargin on tomorrow night’s program…”
I’ll be calling in Joseph.Posted September 16, 2013 9:36 pm
“As for Mayweather he has NOTHING to prove ”
Did Floyd tell you that himself SRedmond? Did he tell you that himself Boxtradamus? Why even continue fighting then? Why fulfill his six fight contract with ShowTime? Oh I know. Money. Well, then Floyd does have something left to prove whether he wants to or not: Floyd still has to prove that he can remain undefeated until he retires.Posted September 16, 2013 9:34 pm
I’m going to address this issue with Paulie Malignaggi and Don Chargin on tomorrow night’s program…it starts at 9PM EST/6PM PST. If any of you want to share your thoughts on how to improve the scoring system in boxing, please call in at 718-506-1506Posted September 16, 2013 9:09 pm
the biggest problem isn’t incompetent judges in boxing, it’s the flaw in the scoring system.
What Cynthia Ross and Keith Keizer stated today actually makes a lot of sense.
What is a bigger problem are so called pundits and ambassadors screaming bloody murder when this happens every once in a while.
That’s what’s really killing the sport…people who should know better, don’t!!Posted September 16, 2013 9:07 pm
Cotto came close, but only Pacman has the speed, lateral and punching agility, footwork, work-rate, punching power, and stamina to actually execute Oscar’s plan well enough to actually beat Floyd. And Floyd at least suspects as much himself… That’s why all the shenanigans.Posted September 16, 2013 8:48 pm
Tark, still nice idea, I’d love to see something like that happen. But there’s no way promoters will get together to try and clean up judging. 1. their not going to want to pay for it. 2. Their probably using the weak judging system, in the first place.Posted September 16, 2013 8:36 pm
Hidalgo, Mayweather does NOT have anything to prove of course he’s gonna fight to win that’s his nature but there is no “boogeyman” in an appropriate weight class that offers anything to an older fighter discussing retirement…The sport is focused on him so he’s in position to fight his last 4 and go off into the Sunset..Posted September 16, 2013 8:32 pm
B red,, tell me about it bud, i’m going back into hibernation if it don’t stop lolPosted September 16, 2013 8:31 pm
HATTON CANT BOX, ABA JNR N SENIOR CHAMPION. 2 WEIGHT WORLD CHAMP LMAOPosted September 16, 2013 8:29 pm
The top promotional companies, Golden Boy, Mayweather, Arum, etc. need to pool the money together or put together a way to deliver money to solve the problem… Nothing gets solved without the will or money to solve it.Posted September 16, 2013 8:28 pm
Now watch him come and accuse me of being Ernie.Posted September 16, 2013 8:27 pm
To be fair to TARK sometimes I read is offerings and I think to myself, hey, you know what this guy is a full of crap.
But then at other times I find myself thinking, hey, you know what this guy is full of crap.Posted September 16, 2013 8:24 pm
B Red has the beat.Posted September 16, 2013 8:23 pm
Tark nice idea, the only problem with it is there’s no way the commission would ever set a couple million dollars aside to solve the problem.Posted September 16, 2013 8:22 pm
How to get rid of tediously irksome overbearing third-rate pseudo armchair analysts?
Put a bullet between TARK’s eyes.Posted September 16, 2013 8:21 pm
As soon as Ross is removed, another corrupt/non-competent judge will take her place.Posted September 16, 2013 8:17 pm
Pacquiao is a great fighter and deserving of a fight with Mayweather. I just don’t see how it happens. There’s too many roadblocks for that fight to come off. If he smart though and really thinks he can still beat Mayweather he should parts ways with Top Rank and beat the crap out of someone like Maidana. That isn’t happening though.Posted September 16, 2013 8:16 pm
How to get rid of incompetent judges like Ross in major boxing matches??? Here’s a blueprint for that.
Set a couple million dollars aside to solve the problem (most important).
Take thousands of applications for the position of “Boxing Judge.”
Select candidates. Test their vision… test their spatial vision… test their depth perception… test their color vision… test their ability to concentrate… test their intelligence and objectivity… test their math aptitude… test their short term memory… Test their ability to keep 2 sets of statistics in their head for 3 minutes.
Take the top 1% and train them to score boxing matches accurately.
Teach them what constitutes a clean, effective, and fair punch.
Teach them what constitutes an illegal or non-scoring punch. What is holding and hitting, hitting low, hitting after the bell, hitting on the break, hitting with the palm, edge, back, or heel of the glove, rabbit punches, and kidney punches. Teach them how to determine if punches are rendered ineffective by blocking, deflecting, and parrying with the gloves, arms, and shoulders, and how to determine the force and effectiveness of punches that do land cleanly.
Test their ability to score accurately by having them score fights on the internet that were accurately scored round by round. Compare their scores. Show them where their scoring is wrong and what to look for.
It takes 2 to 3 months to train sub-novice amateur boxers to the point where they can begin sparring. Boxing judges should have at least this much training. Top boxing coaches should be teaching these judging classes.Posted September 16, 2013 8:12 pm
If Floyd fights and beats Pacman, even in a close fight… I will bow to his greatness!Posted September 16, 2013 8:10 pm
Pac may have slipped slightly.., He’s still good. He’ll still bring himself to top condition and preparedness for a Mayweather fight.
I’m not convinced Floyd has slipped at all… His game has always been a technical game, which keeps getting better with experience.
The more technical boxer always benefits from a long series of fights… That’s why Marquez kept getting up on Pacquiao fight by fight… Same with Tunney and Greb.Posted September 16, 2013 8:06 pm
Rigondeaux, Gamboa, Paquiao, S. Martinez.Posted September 16, 2013 7:38 pm
Correction: I meant to say, where im not so sure I agree with Tark. The other was , Both have slipped.Posted September 16, 2013 7:30 pm
Hatton couldn’t box… Hatton didn’t have a prayer… Pacquiao, at the time he fought Hatton, would have been a tough fight, because Pac could box, punch, defend, and throw like a maniac…
You need hand and foot speed, punching power, and left and right hooks, all of which Pac has… I’m anxious to see Pac-May if Pacquiao gets past Rios.Posted September 16, 2013 7:11 pm
Ricky Hatton thoughts on Floyd Mayweather:
“What I remember wasn’t just how good he was at defence and that he rolled so many punches, it was about his timing.He knew how to let the storm blow and choose the right moment to put his foot on the gas.”
“His defense really frustrated me because I only need to get one shot up the belly and it would often have an effect on opponents, but Floyd was something else.Floyd would drop his left hand low and that is usually the signal to jump all over a rival, but with him he’s setting a trap.Whenever I would come in with a body shot he would counter and catch me with a right upper cut.”
“He knew how to pull out of range, he knew what distance the punch might come from and knew how low to duck.At times I thought he ducked too low below the waist and that he used his forearm to keep you at arms distance.I was frustrated at the time, but when I look at him now, I just think, ‘what a clever smart arse in the way you do all that.’He was so clever defensively and it would just be a little nudge or sway that made all the difference.”
“He is very, very quick. In our fight I was going to ease into the fight and stand off a little bit, and use a bit more feinting.But in the first 10 seconds he hit me with that lead left hook he throws and I had to alter my game plan.If that was the first sign of his speed there was no point in me standing off because he was just going to nail me.I had to try and stay on him and out-hustle him then, and that was because his speed forced me to alter tactics.”Posted September 16, 2013 6:38 pm
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I know your alt
Agreed B-red. You and S-red are two of the biggest. Although obviously you are one and the same. jajajajPosted September 16, 2013 6:18 pm
He also said all that stuff about Canelo looking great in training and knocking out his sparring partners was all made up.
It’s all on this weeks episode of the Tha PUGILIST KOrnerPosted September 16, 2013 6:15 pm
You guys need to check out the interview with renowned boxing trainer James Gogue. He spent a lot of time in Canelo’s camp before this fight and he said he was shocked by what he had seen. That’s what influenced his prediction that Floyd was 100% going to win.
He revealed he had inside information that convinced him Canelo’s chances were non existent on last week’s show but ror obvious reasons he wasn’t at liberty to divulge them. Apparently Canelo is EXTREMELY lazy in training. He does what he wants when he wants and there’s no one there to push him. He said he’d hit the heavy bag for a few combinations and then go walkabout. He does the same in sparring too. He’d take long breaks in between fighting to get his breath back all the time.
Gogue said he was shocked at seeing a top level fighter doing this. This would explain his lack of stamina and why he fights in little spurts in actual fights too. Obviously cutting the weight didn’t help him one bit there either. I knew things hadn’t gone well when I saw him immediately rush for that chair at the weigh in and sat downin it for an eternity. Andre Ward pointed this out too. He said he’d NEVER seen a fighter do that in all his years involved in the sport. Canelo was the only person on the stage sitting down.Posted September 16, 2013 6:13 pm
a lot of clowns on this site.Posted September 16, 2013 5:57 pm
HaHaHaHa GGG “the most Dangerous Man on the Planet” based on beating WHO!!!!! Matthysee had BETTER wins than him as a slugger and got taken the other night against another hungry young guy…GGG is another guy with a BIG punch against relative low level competition… Maybe he rules MW at some point but as of now Sergio Martinez is the rightful Ring Champ in that division… GGG ain’t the boss beating Ishida, Rosado and a Martinez leftover like Macklin on the slide…Posted September 16, 2013 5:52 pm
Team Golovkin Chimes In
Abel Sanchez isn’t so sure that Alvarez’s personality – calm though it may be – is going to help him all that much against Mayweather.
“First of all, ‘Canelo’ has never fought anyone with the patience and the skills of Mayweather” said Sanchez, who trains middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin in Big Bear, Calif; Alvarez and Golovkin have sparred several times, so Sanchez knows Alvarez well.
“He might have been able to do it with Trout, but Mayweather does little subtle things that keep you on our toes and tire you out and keep you thinking at all times.Against a lesser opponent, you are absolutely right. Against Mayweather, he is going to have to work all three minutes because Mayweather is going to make him work. He figures you out the first three or four rounds.”
“Like Mayweather did against Robert Guerrero, a fight won handily by Mayweather in May at MGM Grand.Once he figured out how to hit (Robert Guerrero) with the right hand, he hit him with the right hand all night long” Sanchez correctly noted.”He (Alvarez) does have size and he does have youth. But if he doesn’t use it and make the old man respect him, it’s going to be a long night. He’s going to have to disrupt Mayweather in the ring, do something to get him out of his game plan.”
As for Golovkin, he doled out a brief response regarding this fight.”I think ‘Canelo’ has a chance” Golovkin said. “The first couple of rounds, he has a chance.”Posted September 16, 2013 5:47 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)
3G is ranked in the top 10 P4P. The Ring is NOT the only organization with P4P ratings, and sometimes they’re ratings are way off the mark.
Granted, The Ring is the most important title/strap in boxing, but that doesn’t mean that their writers and ratings are always 100% accurate — or even the best for that matter.Posted September 16, 2013 5:44 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)
NOT everything in boxing is about The Ring’s P4P rankings. I don’t care if they call themselves “The Bible of Boxing,” because they’re NOT. The Ring has Broner ranked at #7 P4P, which is absolutely ridiculous!!! BoxRec has Broner ranked at #17 and 3G at #10, which is actually accurate than the Ring’s ratings.
3G is the very best MW in the world, and everyone who knows anything about boxing says the exact same thing. He already holds two of the major titles at MW, and the other champions have been ducking him for nearly two years. Technically, Maravilla is still the Ring Champion, but he should’ve lost his last fight to Murray, is pushing 40 and is injury-ridden. Martinez is done, so just accept it.
3G, like Maravilla, is a small MW who can easily make 154lbs to challenge FMJ for all those major titles. Will FMJ agree to fight the very best in the world at 154lbs (3G, Lara)??? Or will he VACATE all those 154lbs titles like a nutless coward and go fight smaller men who can’t match his height and reach??? We’ll see just how courageous and great FMJ really is based on who he chooses for his last 4-5 fights. Real talk.Posted September 16, 2013 5:37 pm
Four fights left in the Showtime contract, fight these four fighters: Martinez and GGG at 154, Pacquiao and Broner at 147. All are competitive, fan friendly fights. In fact all of these bouts would have Floyd a less than 3/1 favorite. Do not throw in some 10/1 punching bag in there with him.Posted September 16, 2013 5:31 pm
“As for Mayweather he has NOTHING to prove the only fight that is a loose end is Pacquiao ”
As long as a boxer is fighting he has something to prove. Floyd doesn’t fight just for the hell of it. He always fights with a purpose. So do all champions.Posted September 16, 2013 5:31 pm
One thing about this CJ Ross. No way is she that incompetent, the fix was in. How do we know? Odds on a draw were 22/1 a month ago. In the week before the fight the odds plummeted to as low as 8/1 on the Vegas Strip. In sportsbetting, when there’s a massive swing in the line it’s a red flag for the authorities to investigate. This is how match fixing in tennis and football (soccer) were discovered and the participants banned. But in boxing, somehow it’s ignored. Why?Posted September 16, 2013 5:29 pm
let me clarify that i’m not calling for a ggg-mayweather fight, i gave up on expecting mayweather to fight truly dangerous opponents long ago. the ducking pacqiuao fiasco taught me that lesson loud and clear. like fiddy says he’s very careful about when it comes to selecting his opponents, or as he put it he likes to pick “the perfect opponent”Posted September 16, 2013 5:25 pm
ggg is also regarded as the most dangerous mw on the planet, which is why he’s been ducked and avoided by all the top dogs in the division. it’s not like it isn’t common knowledge sturm, geale, n’dam, martinez, quillin, mundine, barker, and pirog, the later did pull out with a legitimate injury mind, have all either blatantly ducked him (some numerous times) or have made it public they’re avoiding him. he’s the most avoided fighter in the sport bar none. i’m surprised at the extent of some of you guy’s knowledge for not knowing this. all this info has been discussed to death. so anyone criticizing him for not fighting the best needs to brush up on their sheet, either that or keep their mouths closed.Posted September 16, 2013 5:19 pm
ggg has big enough name, i seem to recall him headlining his own cards on hbo. his hbo documentary feature ’2 days’ is still the highest rated ever of the series, more so than no names like adrian broner’s, brandon rios’, and james kirkland. not bad for a gringo.
make no mistake people know who golovkin is and every true boxing fan on the planet would be licking their lips in anticipation at the thought of a potential match up between him and mayweather. mayweather’s fans aren’t keen on it at all for some reason, they only want to see him fight opponents they know stand no chance of beating him, remember this is something they keep telling us over and over again before his fights. why they don’t want to take big risks and really test himself against legitimately dangerous opponents who stand a chance of beating him don’t know. the true greats that went before he did that sheet for fun.
the mayweather contingent are more than happy to see him pot shot and sucker punch his way to victory over the robert guerreros’ and victor ortiz’s of this world. it’s almost like they’re terrified of him getting castillo-ed again, or even worse.Posted September 16, 2013 5:12 pm
hat would be an ugly fight.Posted September 16, 2013 5:11 pm
I’m surprised he didn’t call him out for at 147. For 5 million guaranteed I would even try to make 147 and I’m over 250Posted September 16, 2013 5:05 pm
Just read an article where Hopkins called out Floyd at 160. lolPosted September 16, 2013 4:55 pm
Golovkin isn’t even Top 10 P4P yet. He’d be better OFF facing the LESSER Ward or Martinez rather than jumping UP in SKILL class and facing the #1 Fighter in the World. It doesn’t work like that. Thats why Canelo just got schooled when he jumped from facing #0 P4P Trout to facing #1 P4P Mayweather….Facing MMacklin is no preparation for Mayweather.Posted September 16, 2013 4:44 pm
You can say you’ll fight anybody… Martinez says he’ll school GGG
The proof is getting into the ring with him like Nathan Cleverly did with Kovalev.Posted September 16, 2013 4:42 pm
Golovkin is a great boxer and puncher. He hasn’t faced top opposition because they’ve avoided him. Martinez and Quillin aren’t stupid. They don’t want to end up on the canvas trying to beat a 10-count versus a finisher like GGG.
I spoke to Quillin a couple days back and he told me he was ready to face both Martinez and GGG…. He’s been slept on recently….
People forget his own devastating left hooks and solid power vs the likes of N’Dam and Guerrero….
it’s the same situation as Matthysse and Garcia…. A two horse race with two decent jockeys eager to prove themselves.Posted September 16, 2013 4:39 pm
As for Mayweather he has NOTHING to prove the only fight that is a loose end is Pacquiao and thats simply NOT gonna happen there are about 10 HARD obstacles in the way starting with Brandon Rios and ending with Showtime and HBO clawing eachothers eyes out even discussing giving up the rights to that bout… Floyd’s financial guarantees DEMAND that he generates revenue to support these HUGE purses… Thats why a soft touch like Khan is being discussed over in England because it would be a strong event, problem is that Alexander is gonna wax Amir Khan in my opinion so a Mayweather vs Alexander bout is more likely or even Garcia… These 154 pounders might as well KILL themselves if they think they are gonna fight Mayweather with NO NAME… Consider the Cotto, Mayweather, Trout, Canelo mix and match a sort of tourney and the man that took NO losses on this journey is named Floyd Mayweather Jr….. See Ya at 147, Golovkin can kill himself or work on his MW resume….Posted September 16, 2013 4:34 pm
Sooner or later Golovkin is gonna have to take down some real players at 160 and I am NOT saying he can’t but its gonna have to occur somewhere other than the message board… I would be OK seeing him face Chavez JR who brings big money and a BIG body to the table, or Murray who is a STRONG MW who took Martinez to the brink, and of course a rehabilitated Martinez who is the REAL MW Champion lets get real GGG’s resume does NOT even compare… Golovkins BEST win is a guy that Martinez had already knocked out so that tells you something…Posted September 16, 2013 4:29 pm
GGG, seems to be a bigger and better version of Kostya Tszyu. He’s going to be tough to beat.Posted September 16, 2013 4:27 pm
If Golovkin is the goods he won’t waste time chasing WW’s…. His mission should be at 160 pounds you guys change these guys divisiions to suit your arguments… Floyd Mayweather has ONLY fight at 154 3x over a 17 year career EACH time unless this is an exception he was BACK at 147 the next fight… He has NEVER made the limit… Each time he challenged the scales there was a MASSIVE event on the other end of it… Oscar 2.4 million buys, Cotto 1.5 million and Canelo the projections put it WELL past Cotto and possibly in striking distance of the ODH/Mayweather bout… Floyd Mayweather Jr is not gonna fight a MW without a name like Gennady Golovkin so some idiot internet posters can get him in the ring with someone well beyond his physical max… He spotted Canelo 15 pounds fight night and 13 years… Thats as GOOD as your getting! The dudes NOT gonna be facing NO NAME 154 pounders and certainly NOT 160 pounders… If GGG is so hell bent on being at 154 let him step down and call out Canelo or some other players there and earn a shot? He is NO different that ANY other guy wanting the Mayweather lottery ticket…. What other WW would you guys approve of GGG facing seriously??? NONE imagine if he called out Marquez or Pacquiao?Posted September 16, 2013 4:25 pm
Old Yank I wasn’t referring that comment to you anyways. I think GGG is the truth at 160 so no argument for me on that.Posted September 16, 2013 4:15 pm
Good stuff here folks. Old Yank, I agree. NOBODY schools GGG at 154,160. Peej, youre also.right in my view that GGG, fighting at 154 is simply unrealistic. As for this fellow Siinamon Red, I didn’t disrespect you in any form. So you telling me to stfu was unwarranted. All I will say is you come.off ignorant and byyour statement you just made yourself appear classless. Not to mention you seem very brave my friend. I hope you have the same bravery when a REAL situation arises my friend. All the same wish you the best.Cheers.Posted September 16, 2013 4:06 pm
I rthink we r being ridiculous here. it is clear that Mayweather made Marquez look like an idiot by slipping his punches. And Marquez is a pure boxer like Mayweather. Doesn’t matter how much or how little power you put into itPosted September 16, 2013 4:05 pm
Floyd is going to end up with the same issue as the Klitschkos… too much talent for the division and nobody left to fight.
And it’s against popular opinion, but I’d actually like to see Mayweather-Khan. Khan is tall with very fast and effective hands so I’d like to see how Mayweather handles that. I do think Khan has the abilities to make Floyd work harder for a win than he’s had to recently in a “styles make fights” sort of way. We may actually see the rare case where Floyd hunts a stoppage.Posted September 16, 2013 4:03 pm
Urone2.., There’s a world of difference between a materful boxer like Golovkin and a swinger like Matthysse… Matthysse takes unnecessary chances and sometimes throws wild punches with abandon… Matthysse is a fair boxer with savage power…but he doesn’t have a finished jab…
Danny Garcia is not a finished product himself. He’s still getting better. He pretty much zoned into Matthysse’s deficits and beat him. Lucas has the punching power to flatten crude brawlers like Peterson, and fair boxers like Ajose … Ajose is definitely not a superb boxer as some have described him.
Golovkin is a great boxer and puncher. He hasn’t faced top opposition because they’ve avoided him. Martinez and Quillin aren’t stupid. They don’t want to end up on the canvas trying to beat a 10-count versus a finisher like GGG. Not everyone in Boxing is as stupid as Nathan Cleverly and his team.
“Sergei Kovalev only has 21 fights. I think we can expose him.” … Right.Posted September 16, 2013 3:59 pm
Boxtra.., It’s not that putting strength on puches tires you out.. Putting strength on punches allows your opponent time to avoid them. Cotto’s jab is smooth, perfectly timed, and effortless … so he could nail Floyd with them.
Canelo put strength on his and Floyd rarely took the full brunt of one. He threw some nice ones vs Trout, but was a little agitated vs Floyd. He also looked a lot less comfortable physically, as if this time the weight making ordeal took more out of him.Posted September 16, 2013 3:56 pm
One thing Mayweather needs to do is return the stolen Logo for his “The Money TeamTMT, Teen A Mutant Ninja Turtles (TMT) had it first.Posted September 16, 2013 3:55 pm
ggg walks around at 168 now but that’s only because he made a conscious decision to bulk up a little. he walked around at 160 not that long ago. roy jones weighed 180 in the ring when he fought bernard hopkins. canelo weighed 172 when he fought trout at at 154. victor ortiz weighed 164 against mayweather at 147. gatti weighed 161 when he fought joey gamache at 140. most of those fighters walk around at a heavier weight than their fighting weight too. so they can cut all that weight but ggg can’t cut 14 lbs? almost all fighters cut weight. cutting between 10 and 14 lbs is pretty much standard procedure for most fighters these days. 168 is the heaviest weight I’ve ever heard of ggg weigh.Posted September 16, 2013 3:51 pm
People need to realise and appreciate what they r witnessing. He will only be around for so long and then u will realise what u witnessed. People like mayweather don’t come around very often.
The amazing thing about this fight was how he made canelo miss! I think canelo was shocked at how elusive he was. Marquez I think said the same thing. It’s almost telepathic the way he does it.
Special fighter. I know there has never been a boxer with this skillsetPosted September 16, 2013 3:50 pm
lol, everyone Mayweather doesn’t fight is considered too much risk, until he signs the contract, then those same fighters are considered cherry picked.Posted September 16, 2013 3:48 pm
MRI’s are not going to fix or find anything in time, smarter fighters and better defense will diminish the damage done in the ring. If a fighter is being beat to a pulp stop the fight the fans should show more mercy. Mismatch matches should be outlawed promoters should be fined for setting up suck matches.
If you can’t see the similarities in GGG and Mattyssee professional styles no one can help you or you are just trying to make an argument for arguments sake.Posted September 16, 2013 3:46 pm
Matthyse is a one trick pony,I hope his next trick is to see if he can actually knock Amir khans chin off his face so we dont have to hear him talk again.Id like to see Garcia Broner next I honestly think Garcia would do a number on him.Posted September 16, 2013 3:46 pm
How much longer can Canelo remain at 154? There has been much talk of moving him up to 160. And this is why Canelo/GGG is getting lip service; not because there is any shot of GGG moving down to 154.Posted September 16, 2013 3:45 pm
Now that the Fight is over let me tell you what the stamina issue IS. I believe that I already stated it before. Canelo puts TOO MUCH POWER on every shot. Thats not a stamina issue. Its a shot selection issue. NO MAN can put power on every single shot for 12 rounds without rest….Thats why Ali stopped Foreman. You have to select when to throw power or you become predictable and tire yourself OUT. …Canelo is SMART. He already has pointed out that difference between Floyd and himself. Canelo SAID “Floyd doesn’t punch with a lot of power he just scores punches to WIN the round” …well now that he’s identified that he needs to implement it into his game. You need to just score some shots and then SNEAK IN your power shots. The element of surprise is needed at the Top level….Thats why Pacquiao got knocked out. His dumb coach gave away the element of surprise and told the whole World that Pacquiao would go for the knockout. SO Marquez had time to prepare for thatPosted September 16, 2013 3:45 pm
Another roadblock for big fights are the Arum/GBP and HBO/Showtime rivalry’s. With all of GBP fighters moving to Showtime, fights with GGG, Pacquiao, Bradley, Marquez, Rios and others won’t be made without someone leaving their current promotional team. Let’s not forget that the only way Marquez and Bradley were able to get Pacquiao fights was to Join Top Rank. Who knows how long they have left on the there contracts. As far as GGG, goes I doubt HBO wants to lose him.Posted September 16, 2013 3:43 pm
Urone2 my freind, the problem with Canelo fighting Mayweather the way he did was not very smart. Why on earth would you try and beat Floyd Mayweather at his own game. Counter punching, speed and defense. Canelo nullified any advantages (power, youth, weight) that he had. His weight advantage meant nothing trying to box Floyd. He was trying to mimic everything that Floyd did, but was always off balance and two seconds too late. The jab was there at times, but Canelo wasn’t fluid at all, and Floyd read him like a book. The legends I mentioned would never have fought Floyd like that. They would have tested him in areas that Floyd doesn’t really like. His comfort zone is not fighting inside. He dictates the style and pace of his fights, but the legends wouldn’t allow him to do that. As Floyd has, these legends learned, developed and mastered there craft. Floyd would never hurt any of these guys, but these guys could hurt him. Castillo, Mosely, Judah, and Cotto all showed weaknesses in Floyd’s style to a degree. Remember, you’re talking about these legends in their prime. Too bad it can never happen.Posted September 16, 2013 3:42 pm
PEEJ — Correct! GGG has never campaigned at 154. My comment should have read no fighter MOVING UP from 154 or currently at 160 is going to “school” GGG; my bad on the ambiguous reference to 154. I was attempting to point out that Canelo is not a candidate for “schooling” GGG.
345-5 as an amateur is noteworthy. Especially when they are 27 fghts into a prpo career and garnering a lot of attention. This young man is DEEPLY, DEEPLY experienced at 31 years old; experienced well beyond what his 27 pro bouts indicate.Posted September 16, 2013 3:41 pm
“Floyd should fight Broner, no chance of that happening though, too much of a risk”-IF you think another 23yr old novice is a match for Mayweather P.T. Barnum was RIGHT!! A SUCKER is born every minute!!!!Posted September 16, 2013 3:34 pm
No he has not campaigned at 154 as a pro. Only 160. Until he proves he can make 154, people need to stop saying 154 pounders or Floyd is ducking him.Posted September 16, 2013 3:33 pm
I could really care less about a persons amateur career but what I have seen of GGG, to me he is the real deal. Until proven other wise I am going to stick with that thought. Hey I was proven wrong with Matthysse. He is still a beast in my eyes but Garcia is better.Posted September 16, 2013 3:32 pm
GGG wasnt expecting everybody including Martinez to duck him and yes he should and has been campaigning at 154 as wellPosted September 16, 2013 3:30 pm
If GGG, is as good as he appears to be, he’ll become a star in his right. Until then he won’t be getting Mayweather money, at any weight. there’s at least 6 other fighers out there that Mayweather has to choose from, before even considered a fight with GGG. Those who keep calling for that fight, are not very savy of how the fight game works, or their just trying to find someone to beat Mayweather. I like GGG, but he has lots to do, before he’ll be considered for a big money fight with anyone little lone little Mayweather.Posted September 16, 2013 3:30 pm
People stop with GGG at 154. He has never made 154 in his pro career. Nobody knows if he can make it. Yes he says he can make it but so did Dawson and Canelo saying he can make 152 but yet all we hear is excuses out of everybody saying they where drained. If GGG could make 154 he would of already done it because there is more money at 154 than there is at 160Posted September 16, 2013 3:24 pm
I thought Matthysse deserved at least a draw and the knock down was suspect–cuff behind the headPosted September 16, 2013 3:24 pm
Urone 2, MRI’s work because it’s common knowledge that dementia pugilistica is cumulative.
Plus, the Sweet Science is not about dangerous mismatches or prime verses long since deprimed or coddled 0s as hyped as Justin Bieber vs Hanna MontannaPosted September 16, 2013 3:22 pm
Urone2 — 345-5 is GGG’s amateur record! There are dimensions to his game that we’ve not yet seen. Any suggestion that he and Matthysse are cut from the same cloth is way premature. To be sure we will need to see how this unfolds, but I would caution you not to see Matthysse and GGG as the same animal. The number of amateur bouts where GGG had to win on points is the vast majority of his 345 wins — he spent more than a decade honing his craft without relying on power. I assure you that we are all in for a treat when we get a chance to see him up his game.Posted September 16, 2013 3:22 pm
Only an idiot would compare Matthysse with GGG. GGG is the far superior boxer, superb amateur pedigree, more power, more intelligent. Floyd should fight Broner, no chance of that happening though, too much of a risk.Posted September 16, 2013 3:17 pm
A fantasy bout is one that can or never will take place. A future bout is one that is possible or even scheduled to take place. When someone gets stupid about a scheudled bout, reality eventually allows us to expose the stupidity in public when the bout is finished.Posted September 16, 2013 3:14 pm
I don’t want to sound like a butt or anything but you are talking about GGG, like people were talking about Mattyssee. I think Mattyssee pretty much schooled on how important it is to be able to box as well as slug. Mattyssee tried to run in and slug his way to victory and it didn’t work. There not much difference in the style of Mattyssee and GGG, so if someone stands up to GGG’s power will the be a loss for him.Posted September 16, 2013 3:12 pm
“I stand by my score” is not an answer to WHY you scored it the way you did.
When a score is this contraversal judges should be held accountable. They should be brought before a boxing commity and made to give an account blow-by-blow and round by round of what they see and when a point is scored. If they truly by their score, it should be defensable. If you can’t justify it, you should lose your judging license, if not prosecuted.Posted September 16, 2013 3:09 pm
Dude brain trauma is brain trauma and those so call exciting fights cause a lot of it. A MRI will not stop or see the damage that one punch at the wrong time will cause.
I like great boxing Matches, where the sweet science is fully employed on both sides. That’s the kind of thing that excites me, great skilled used in the ring is a thing of beauty. At least for me it is.
People want the things they want and seem to try and make any excuse to justify it. That’s just the sad state of the world today.Posted September 16, 2013 3:05 pm
Maracho who are these ATG’s he waited out and why had NO ONE made him go thru a war and beaten some miles on him? He fought the SAME Marquez that Manny did (younger version) and got it right the first time.. 12-0…
Gennady Golovkin had an amateur record of 345-5! He’s 27-0 as a pro with a KO ratio of 89%. To be sure he needs to up the level of competition he’s facing, but no fighter at 154 or 160 “schools” GGG. Let’s not be STUPID!Posted September 16, 2013 3:05 pm
testPosted September 16, 2013 3:05 pm
Its simple get rid of judges and use computer tomography, which is NOT compubox.Posted September 16, 2013 3:00 pm
Urone 2, no of those listed only Mosley fought everyone and he’s not slurring imo yet. Plus this is a separate issue that I feel could be solved with safer gloves and more MRIs.Posted September 16, 2013 2:57 pm
The way judges are picked isn’t figuring out by who favors a boxer, an aggressor, etcetera, and then balancing it all out. That’s ludicrous. Boxers come and go. Terrible judges are forever. When Williams beat Lara everyone knew Lara won. Then Williams was announced the winner. The judges were suspended, but they’re back. They have strong relationships with somebody.
Not only are they back—but they’re back judging major fights.
If Andre Berto has a bad night—he doesn’t get suspended for 3 months and then get a Mayweather fight. If a judge produces an outrageous scorecard, why is she in a pool of judges from which the Mayweather-Alvarez judging crew is selected in the first place??? It doesn’t make any sense.
“I stand by my score… The fight was a draw.”
Okay, then I guess you think Mosley beat Canelo…why not? If it’s just a matter of opinion, why not take 3 people from the crowd and have them judge a fight a billion people around the world are going to watch.Posted September 16, 2013 2:56 pm
Sredmane, Floyd waits until the All Time Greats can no longer make the many debilitating wars they’ve made. That or he greatly dehydrates the latest Golden Boy inflate.Posted September 16, 2013 2:52 pm
Terry Norris, Shane Mosley, Thomas Hearns and Meldrid Taylor just to name a few who fought everyone had great entertaining fights but now are slurring their words. For me that is the thing I hate most about boxing. At the end of the day these guys are beat to a pulp, we need to give respect to all of them, and respect how they wish to run their careers. We sit at home buy a pay-per-view or go to the fight and sit comfortably in a seat far away from the action. I would like it if in my life time I don’t see another Gerld McClellan or Leavander Johnson.Posted September 16, 2013 2:51 pm
Canelo, Cotto, Trout and Mayweather had the belts at 154, Floyd beat Cotto and Canelo, Canelo beat Trout who beat Cotto… There are other players but and argument can be made that the business at the top of 154 has been sorted out we KNOW who the true Champ is even though I doubt he campaigns there… Molina beating Ishe Smith in a ragged contest is what? Molinas a hard luck case who was getting the best of Kirkland and fought Lara well but he is still in the second tier..Canelo would smash Molina IMO that’s a good comeback fight like Floyd said for Saul..Posted September 16, 2013 2:49 pm
Maracho why are you pushing GGG down to 154 when he fights at 160? You would seek to change guys weight classes in order to enforce fantasy matchups? Why would you not insist GGG face the top 160 pounders out there? Your thesis seems inconsistentPosted September 16, 2013 2:45 pm
Mayweather is pushing 37 and we are still discussing him like a prime fighter becauses he’s the UNDISPUTED P4P King. Where were Leonard and Hearns at this age?? Leonard had been humiliated by Norris and was living off his name.. Tommy Hearns was getting knocked out by the likes if Iran Barkley … We still have yet to see Mayweather lose or absorb a clean KO… Giving Floyd no chance against ANY fighter up to 147 pounds is simply a JOKE this guy can handle himself in style… Cotto deserves a Purple Heart for giving him a bloody nose..Posted September 16, 2013 2:42 pm
a future bout = fantasy bout tooPosted September 16, 2013 2:42 pm
If I were the chief commissioner, we’d see the top guys fighting the real top guys.
Now if Floyd and Canelo can take the likes of Lara or Molina or GGG at 154, it would be a start to common sense boxing instead of all this undefeated hype.
One of the biggest mistakes in crony promotionalism is striving for undefeated records as the end goal. Back in the day everybody fought everybody, which kept both the fans and the fighters hungry for more. So much so the regular tv was showing it all the time like baseball and football and because they appreciated those who get back-up and roll with the punches. Today though promoters can get away with keeping their franchises undefeated because hard core fans have finally become desensitized to boring mismatches, racketeering, paying off officials to keeping great fighters in the dark or to get robbed in the ring. When one considers the negative reinforcement of both getting robbed in the ring in this era of faked undefeatedness, its no wonder so many fighters go taking PEDS, crashing their vehicles into walls and trees, and worse–suicide. This bailout era obviously aint helping Floyd either with counting his money while his legacy slipps through his fragile fingers; and if boxing keeps bailing him out of his abusiveness, he might just end up like Valero who was bailed out time and again. Especially considering that he was abusing the mother of his daughter the day he got out of his latest jail sentence.Posted September 16, 2013 2:38 pm
Enough of FM already, he has saturated us almost to death. Now on to the real King of Boxing: Wladimir Klitschko vs Povetkin. FM should retire and become a horse racing jockey. I am sick of him. Enough already, son of a biatch.Posted September 16, 2013 2:37 pm
If Floyd Mayweather QUIT Against anyone he would be tarred and feathered… Duran did the unthinkable yet people wanna paint him as invincible ??? Get the hell outta here neither Duran nor Leonard lived the clean life of a Floyd Mayweather so selling them as unbeatable prime for prime is not resonating with me.. Leonard even remarks that its impossible to hit Mayweather on the chin and what he would have tried… Same guy that stopped Hearns, made Duran Quit and out pointed Hagler acknowledges Mayweathers defense as being something extraordinary…Posted September 16, 2013 2:33 pm
Urone2 — No prob…I get it…I just don’t play. I’ve seen grown men come to blows defending their fantasy arguments. It can be a source of conversation and a source of genuine stupidity. I’ve witnessed more stupidity over fantasy bouts than good conversation. And that’s why I don’t play.Posted September 16, 2013 2:31 pm
How was Hearns robbed against Leonard he was stopped first fight we are not discussing that later fight when both were long in the tooth.. Was Benetiz in his prime when he fought Hearns? And better question is Benetiz an ATG? He is a HOFer for sure but ATG? Naw… Remember you guys created the metric to discredit Mayweather NOT me so at least be consistent… Hearns owns no wins over Leonard prime for prime… He got knocked out against the first 2 ATG’s he faced despite his valor….Posted September 16, 2013 2:29 pm
The way Leonard made Duran quit in the rematch makes me think Floyd can do the same thing. Pot shot and move and frustrate Duran. Floyd could compete in any era.Posted September 16, 2013 2:27 pm
Old Yank ,
True to the point in your post, but weather you like it or not Fantasy bouts make for good debate. We will never know the out come of the fantasy bouts but each person can display their point of view and most can appreciate the conversation.Posted September 16, 2013 2:26 pm
Look, I’m no fan of fantasy bouts that can never happen. I can look at the faces of Leonard, Hearns, Duran and others after SEVERAL BOUTS and compare them to what Mayweather’s face has looked like following bout after bout. There is NO COMPARISON — all of these other greats (and they were) took some serious beatings in their careers. All of them have looked more exciting/entertaining to me in the ring than Mayweather has. But at the end of the day, the sport of boxing (not the business of it) from a boxer’s perspective of sweet science is much more about “hit and not get hit” than it is about entertainment or excitement. So I can conclude that Mayweather appears to be a lot less damaged goods than any of these other all-time-greats. I don’t think we need to post photos to make this point — “Money” is still “Pretty Boy” after a bout and none of the others could boast the same.Posted September 16, 2013 2:22 pm
Wow you seem to be quite the expert so let talk about what Mayweather did to Alvarez to negate Alvarez’s plans on beating Mayweather. I keep hearing speed and defense, and I do believe his defense has a lot to do with his winning but in my mind there is one thing that stands out. I believe if he fought those old times greats it would give him a 50/50 chance against any of them. Well actually than one thing but I don’t agree Mayweather would be beat by Duran, Leonard, Chavez, and Hearns to me it would be mostly even money.Posted September 16, 2013 2:14 pm
Canelo would severely Punish and Punchout Golovkin at 154lbs. Gennady has good finishing skills but from what i’ve seen, he’s been dodging bullets along the entire way. he hasn’t defeated any noteworthy opponents (indeed, Canelo’s ring-resume is already superior to Golovkin’s) but is poised to finally challenge one very soon. let’s hope he does. I hope it’s Canelo. if so, Golovkin gets taken to school and easily outscored if not TKO’d over 12.Posted September 16, 2013 2:08 pm
WUTUPDOE my friend. My comments are not emotional. I truly believe that the guys( Duran, Leonard, Hearns, JC Chavez Sr, SR RWobinson) I mentioned in their prime would have beaten Floyd Mayweather. They were boxers that were groomed from their child hood as Floyd was. A prime Duran was a relentless animal that had great speed, power, defense and knew how too cut the ring off. He waged physical and psychological warfare, and he would have stuck to Floyd all night. Leonard had it all. He was an Olympic champion that fought the best. He could box, punch, counter and hurt you with power in either hand. Most importantly, he loved the chess match and found a way to beat you. Tommy Hearns was a rarity in boxing. In his prime, he had blazing speed and debilitating power. No one is going to out box Hearns. Floyd would never have gotten past Hearns jab. If he laid on the ropes, it would be all over. Leonard beat Hearns because of his masterful combination punching as well as his power and ability to fight inside. Floyd doesn’t have either. JC Chavez Sr. would have stayed on top of Floyd all night. He could take anything Floyd had to give, and the relentless pressure and body attack Chavez had would have broken Floyd apart. Had Canelo fought this way, he could have beaten Floyd, but the dumb game plan of trying to match Floyd’s speed and counter punching was not smart. Why try and beat a fighter at his own game? Chavez would have made Floyd fight without any breaks. He fought 3 minutes of each round, and Floyd would not have been able to deal with the pressure. Nothing Floyd has could have hurt Chavez. And then of course the great Sugar Ray Robinson. In his prime, Floyd doesn’t stand a chance. Nothing more needs to be said. All these fighters excelled in all phases of boxing. They believed and fought like they were the best. You can also add Wilfredo Benitez in the mix. Floyd is a very, very good boxer in all areas, but the guyd he’s beaten would have been destroyed by the legends I mentioned. Oh, and one more to add is a prime Manny Pacquiao in his prime. Manny would have stopped Floyd. He had more speed (ask Marquez), power and athleticism than Floyd. Floyd is very good for his era, but he never really fought anyone in their prime except Corrales, and fought a great fight in that one. The legends of the past were better IMO. They were not one dimensional like today’s fighters. They could fight you in all areas. .Posted September 16, 2013 2:04 pm
“Guy called Te Tumbo (?) . . .” You call me “Daddy”, DIKhead. also, learn to read Aaand comprehend while you’re at it. i’m actually pointing out that official scrutiny of “official” U.S. scorecards is long overdue and i provided specific examples of what i’m referring too. compared to those, Ross’ scorecard “Draw” for Saturday’s bout is not the worst example of suspect/incompetent scoring. an example of how it should work is Nate Campbell earning the fair and just scorecard nod v. an undefeated Juan Diaz . . . INnn Mexico.Posted September 16, 2013 2:03 pm
KNOW ONE CAN BEAT THE YANKS FOR HYPE.Posted September 16, 2013 1:43 pm
a man can only fight the guys of his era and if it’s a weak era that’s not his problem….Floyd was trained old school when fights were 15 rounds and fighters didn’t jump divisions easily because there was only one champion per division and less divisions….Marquez was just too small for floyd and having a counter puncher style is not a good one against floyd…if you can’t attack full speed for 12 rounds you’re not gonna beat floyd…there is no one around right now with that style and durability, all slick fighters have gotten their first loss from a hard punching, durable fighter that can take it and dish it out…..Marciano, who came along when the division was considered weak ended up undefeated too and he had a whole diffrent style but had discipline and staminaPosted September 16, 2013 1:33 pm
I’m hoping Robert Guerrero gets back in the ring soon. I felt he put up a better performance against Floyd then Canelo did. Canelo might have won one round, but nothing more then that. I really like Guerrero and I felt he didnt get enough credit for making Floyd run around the ring. Floyd promised to go toe to toe with The Ghost and he never did.Posted September 16, 2013 1:28 pm
Yeehaw! Proud Yank
I’m proud to be ‘merican!
Don’t you people be insulting mah country now, ‘merica is the greatest god damn country in the world.
You Commes are just jealous of our freedom and democracy.
Hell yeah! Let’s nuke those god damn evil terrorist Iranians of the face of the map! Nuke them to kingdom come I say. Yeehaw!
I fly the Stars & Stripes from my pickup with pride cos I’m proud to be ‘merican.Posted September 16, 2013 1:27 pm
spartacus 65 — It needed to be said. A rehash would cause the boredom tank to explode. How many reruns of the same boring sitcom can one watch? No offense taken!Posted September 16, 2013 1:26 pm
Gentlemen meant my last post in a good way. I sincerely hope no one was offended. There are some over all pretty good and thought provoking commentaries from.most everyone on thus site. Just saying let’s rise above an issue(mayweather/Pacquiao) that really shouldn’t be a topic of discussion anymore. Just my humble view soldiers. Peace and the best to all you chaps.Posted September 16, 2013 1:20 pm
Anonymous — NO! None of us know what a great fight is. But we all know what a prick is and you fit Webster’s definition well.Posted September 16, 2013 1:15 pm
Gentlemen goodmorning. How about this. No more regurgitating the Floyd/Pacquiao debate.First off it is a waste of time because everyone has their own take on it and trying to convince one or the other on who is to blame is truly an exercise in futility. That train has long left the station. How about focusing on upcoming biuts which im sure will grab our attention in the months ahead. Peace gentlemen and good health to everyone.Posted September 16, 2013 1:13 pm
The Mad Scientist — Reading is fundamental. Language is an art form. So I will explain it for you: Canelo telegraphs when he’s going to take a mini-vacation during a round. Mayweather was a master at exposing it and using it to his advantage (read my prior post to Vivek). Should Canleo not find a way to stop telegraphing his mini-vacations during rounds and find himself in the ring aginst GGG, he will learn that GGG will exploit it as well. Thus, the nuanced statement, “GGG would EAT Canelo’s lunch while Canelo was taking a mini-vacation during a round! Don’t doubt it for a second!”
It is a BAD habit that Canelo has. He needs to learn how to better hide his patterns for regulating his energy. He’s 23 for crap sake! If you believe that he’s got nothing left to learn, then you ain’t seeing what I’m seeing. And if he’s at the top of his game then we can expect the a decline to follow a peak.Posted September 16, 2013 1:12 pm
Great win Mayweather Fans, no holding good job. Floyd is still a puzzy and a chump, but that was a solid winPosted September 16, 2013 1:08 pm
I absolutely know what a great fight is. I also know what a great fighter is too.Posted September 16, 2013 12:58 pm
esb i wish you QUIT TELLING ME TO SLOW DOWNPosted September 16, 2013 12:56 pm
FLOYD WANTED MANNY TO TAKE THE TESTPosted September 16, 2013 12:55 pm
DO ANY OF YOU PRICKS KNOW WHAT A GREAT FIGHT IS.Posted September 16, 2013 12:54 pm
What’s so special about GGG besides heavy hands which we have ALL seen before??? I think Canelo is a BETTER technical fighter than Golovkin who is pretty much a “stalk and punish” fighter… What’s GGG’s best win? Macklin? A guy who has dropped 2 of 3 and Martinez stopped already…When did GGG fight an Elite fighter like Mayweather?? NEVER when his power is not the deciding factor lets see how good he really is… Besting Ishida, and Rosado does not define him as “Great” this far he’s a very good World Class boxer and he and Canelo are similar in terms of where they are at career wise…We have seen other bogeymen and KO artists fall when confronted with someone who has real skills…It’s time for GGG to fight some upper tier MW’s and then we can better assess who he is Martinez, Murray, Chavez Jr, Quillin …Posted September 16, 2013 12:53 pm
The Mad Scientist
I can’t believe some of you fools are still arguing with these clowns that cant accept Floyd Mayweather is just simply the best at what he does and one of the greatest of all time..at this point and time I’m already done with Mayweather, there is just no one out there that can beat himPosted September 16, 2013 12:52 pm
The Mad Scientist
Old Yank -yes, triple G would eat Canelo’s lunch like Matthysee was suppose to eat Danny Garcia’s lunch as well right..Lol!Posted September 16, 2013 12:41 pm
DLH fed this kid to the wolves. He was not ready and DLH knew it…. To Oscar, “How do you have to blueprint to beat me and you lost”?.. mayweather.Posted September 16, 2013 12:39 pm
Yeah, I think GGG deals with Canelo also.Posted September 16, 2013 12:34 pm
Floyd always uses they olympic one and that is the one he still uses to this day. And it really had nothing to do with which organization they went with at the time. That was never an excuse till the last round of negotiations.Posted September 16, 2013 12:33 pm
GGG would EAT Canelo’s lunch while Canelo was taking a mini-vacation during a round! Don’t doubt it for a second!Posted September 16, 2013 12:31 pm
Peej, I just explained to you that it was Floyd who insisted on using Golden Boy’s buddy Travis Tyagert instead of the WADA, which would have been more appropriate being that WADA is internatinal.Posted September 16, 2013 12:28 pm
Vivek — I’m going to spell out Canelo’s stamina issue for you one more time: Making it through 12 and even doing so with modestly better output in the second half is not proof that a stamina issue does not exist. If a fighter must take mini-vacations during rounds 1 through 6 in order to preserve enough in the tank to fight 7 through 12, then he may have a stamina issue. In some cases we see this as starting slow or as stepping up the pace and pressure and getting stronger as a fight progresses. To be sure, EVERY fighter must regulate the energy he expends — and the better he can disguise when he’s taking a breather, all the better for him. Canelo from weigh in to fight-night weight has crept up — finally peaking his fight-night weight at 172 for Trout. The stamina issue he has is not running out of gas, it is his need to take mini-vacations during the middle of a round and EXPOSING the fact that he’s doing so. Often Mayweather was most active following a series of moves from Canelo or following forcing Canelo to move a lot to chase him. Canelo has been very fortunate in being able to fight when he wanted to during a round and in being able to catch a breather whenever he wanted to in a round. Mayweather took this luxury away from him because Mayweather understands STAMINA in exactly the way I described it here. Actually he understands it at a 40,000 foot level of understanding that I can only begin to grasp. Mayweather was a master at so many levels – one of them was observing Canelo’s history of fighting in spurts and taking mini-vacations during a round. Perhaps if I called it a bad habit of fighting in spurts and then resting, rather than a stamina issue you’d get what I’m saying. And as a side note, throwing 60 punches per round for a fighter at 154 is about AVERAGE – Compubox has the average punches per round for a junior middleweight at 59! And that’s for all 154 pound bouts that Compubox has on record – I suspect the average in a major title bout is somewhat higher. So let’s stop counting the beans as proof that Canelo does not have a stamina issue and look at how he deals with regulating his energy and ask if this might get exploited again.Posted September 16, 2013 12:27 pm
Hearns was robbed against Leonard and he beat the likes of Duran, Wilfred Benitez, and Virgil Hill in their primesPosted September 16, 2013 12:25 pm
castillo already beat floyd a long time agoPosted September 16, 2013 12:24 pm
If it was a way for him to dodge the fight then why didn’t Pac call his bluff and agree to the drug testing? Why is Pac now willing to take the drug test with Rios? When he did so call agree to the testing why did he turn down 40 mil? There are many questions to be asked on the Pac/ Top Rank side but only one on the Mayweather side which is why did he want the testing. That is it.Posted September 16, 2013 12:22 pm
FLOYD WANTED manny to TAKE THE THE TEST WAY WAY TOO LATE FOR FLOYD MANNY ESB IWISH YOU QUIT TELLING ME TOSLOW DOWNPosted September 16, 2013 12:18 pm
SREDMOND the drug testing was a means to avoid a tough fight against a wickedly fast southpaw.
Who did Thomas Hearns defeat as an ATG in his prime? His most notable win was Duran who had about 100 miles on him and had QUIT against Leonard? Duran was coming DIRECTLY off a loss to Hagler when Tommy turned his lights out… AGAIN Duran, Tommy and Hagler were GREAT ATG’S but pretending that each one was fighting or beating the other on the best day of their lives is NOT honest… Leonard besting an Undefeated Hearns was a pristine win but setting up criteria to make Mayweather and the rest of boxing history look small is WEAK… Duran had OVER 70 fights when he beat Leonard, and he later QUIT in the ring something that is not held against him the way it would if a guy like Floyd QUIT against anybody…Point is that we all love our legends but they are NOT without sin…Mayweather has been perfect to date against World Championship and HOF caliber opposition… Guys give Tommy, Ray, and Hagler a TON of cred for beating a guy like Duran coming up from 135 but give Mayweather none for beating Marquez who like Mayweather started at the lower weights…?????? Hagler was a HARD MW fighter PERIOD, Tommy and Ray never fought at 130 like Floyd did so things need to be kept in perspective…Posted September 16, 2013 12:00 pm
Pacquiao loses again to a Rios type and the remnants of this convo just go away…Manny Pacquiao is an ATG in my book but there is a style that ultimately troubled and badly defeated him (boxer, puncher, counterpuncher)…. Mayweather is 3x the fighter that the GREAT JMM is… Marquez is one of my favorites and technically second best, he lacks Floyds speed, athleticism and defense but he is amazing… This same fighter at almost 40 put a world of hurt on Pacquiao and has left him ONE LOSS away from being told to seriously retire….If Pac wants to rebuild his status he is gonna have to do it in the ring, and a fight where he exchanges with Rios and wins a regular decision ain’t gonna do it…. Rios is there to be knocked out despite his chin at 140 and below…No matter, Floyd Mayweather is in a different league than these guys, Canelo would MURDER a Brandon Rios and personally I think he would be too big and hitting too hard for Pacquiao who has rarely seen an incoming punch he does not like… Pacs road to recovery is not gonna be easy, but he and Mayweather fighting is never gonna happen in the current landscape, Top Rank and Golden Boy do NOT work together as sad as that is for the sport… NO ONE knew Mayweather’s purses would keep skyrocketing and they still could not make this fight back in the day… NOW we see Pac Man wanting blood testing which was a Mayweather stipulation WAYYYY back that I even gave him grief for… But it appears that time and a Marquez KO have changed Pacquiaos perspective on the matter… I never thought Pacquiao or Marquez were dirty but alas it appears they see Mayweathers point of view after 3 years…Posted September 16, 2013 11:49 am
Actually Floyd is far the most doubted ATG because Castillo and Corales were the only ATGs that he fought while still in their primes. Then Corales had bigger things on his plate at the time like divorce and an 18 month stint in prison. Mayweather took advantage of it to by befriending Diego’s ex-wife during training.Posted September 16, 2013 11:46 am
People keep saying Floyd should of made the fight happen. Well Pac fans keep saying that. But the fight was all but signed in 2009/2010 and Pac declined the drug testing. That was on there end. Then about a year or so ago Floyd offered 40 mil and they turned that down saying there needed to be a stadium built. Once again that is on Pacs side. Now I am not putting full blame on Pac. But Pac deserves some blame and so does the Mayweather side. But Arum deserves most of the blame.Posted September 16, 2013 11:45 am
question VIVEK WHO FLOYD FIGHT NEXTPosted September 16, 2013 11:40 am
@boxing barlow agree 100 pct – i also respect fm legacy but at same time same will indeed always be tainted by his refusal to take pacquiao challenge – i cant think of another great who refused a challenge in fear of loosing – that will always spoil his legacyPosted September 16, 2013 11:39 am
Sorry Hecdog but Pac would of been beaten by Floyd. Pac has zero defense and if you don’t have defense you will be beaten by the great fighters. Floyd would of toyed with Pac just like he has toyed with every pressure fighter he has ever fought.Posted September 16, 2013 11:30 am
Hecdog, I don’t comment on here much, but your emotional comments make you sound like and idiot.Posted September 16, 2013 11:23 am
choky – I agree with you mate. Floyd should have just made the fight happen. One thing sticks in my mind is this. Floyd MUST have felt that Pacman at that time offered a serious threat to him. Other wise he would have just taken the fight either way! He sat back and thought that the Pacman he was watching could take away his unbeaten record. He felt that Pacman was that good that he MUST ensure that he is not on steriods, otherwise he would have never forgiven himself if he had found himself on the loosing end of the fight and he had not made the demands he did. Now if Floyd looked at Pacman and thought ‘no sweat I can beat this guy like I do all the rest’, he would have just fought him with normal testing applied. But Floyd didnt make the fight happen, and whilst I will always respect his legacy it will always be tainted by the fact that this fight never happened.Posted September 16, 2013 11:14 am
HECD0G – Mayweather is the best while Pacman is still fighting Bum Bum RI0S T0 F00L IDI0TS like U INT0 THINKING HIS STILL G00D BY BEATING AN0THER TAYL0R MADE T0P RANK BUM C0MING 0FF A L0SS.Posted September 16, 2013 11:13 am
Adrian, you know NOTHING about boxing “Keith Thurman”…. Man please he is just ANOTHE heavy handed boxer that is NOT as good as Canelo and cannot hit as hard at 147….Thurman is flatfooted and he would get circles danced around him… Lets be clear on one thing Floyd is not gonna be facing guys that have absolutely NO public profile the underlying business is not there he has a HUGE guarantee from Showtime so his opponents are gonna have to be sellable… Canelo was considered the “Big Threat” and now that he is on the scrap heap along with the rest Mayweather has NOTHING left to prove there is NOT some magic foe in an appropriate weight class that is gonna make his detractors become fans… At this point he is an aging Champion that has a projected 4 fights left that need to do over 1 million buys…The Floyd Mayweather legacy is IRON CLAD at this point those who applaud him will keep a applauding and those who don’t will keep whining…But a Keith Thurman type is about 100 miles behind Garcia who was just showcased and was up to the challenge as a potential opponent…Posted September 16, 2013 11:13 am
Mayweather is NOT just GREAT he is one of the GREATEST ever that is why he is the subject of SO much debate and generates such intense interest and comparisons… Sugar Ray Leonard said after the Mosley or Cotto fight “Mayweather could compete in ANY era” Thanks Ray! but we don’t need you to tell us that we have a pair of eyes that make that clear… Leonard also said that “I would not even try to catch him on the chin if I fought him”….Imagine the GREAT Leonard who stopped Hearns and outpointed Hagler going on record and saying that attacking Mayweathers chin is useless he is literally that good…There is NOT a boxer alive that is gonna win belts in 5 weight classes, book 8 defenses at 130, go 22-0 in World Title fights, fight Champion after Champion win Lineal Championships in 4 weight classes and NOT be considered an ATG….Insert those credentials under ANY boxers name along with a 45-0 record and he is STAMPED as Great….There were GREAT boxers before Leonard, Duran, Hagler and Hearns and there will be GREAT boxers AFTER them… Sugar Ray Robinson NEVER fought those guys and he is considered Great…Posted September 16, 2013 11:07 am
@pantsula4life – this forum is to exchange opinions so if you dont care about my comments and i dont care about yours there is no need to debate – the only fact that the boxing fans are shared abt 50/50 with regard to whether mayweather is great or not despite his palmares proves that his greatness is debatable – his great tallent is not debatable but his greatness is in my view for 2 reasons 1- he is known for having very well cherypicked his opponents and 2- i have never been tempted to watch one of his fights again as none are memorable – i cant think of another great which do not have fights i would like to watch again – all this said mayweather was impressive saturday and he is really talented but he would have needed to take more risks during his career to be a truly great – he will be considered as great by some only based on his outstanding boxing abilities but he will not be consuidered as greats by others in view of the way he managed his career and in view of him having never really been in a classicPosted September 16, 2013 10:56 am
The GOAT doesn’t fit Floyd Mayweather at all. He’s a good fighter, but there are plenty of other eras in boxing that had boxers that would have beaten him. Floyd, as he says picks his opponents and makes a lot of money doing so. Pacquiao, Hearns, Duran, Leonard, Chavez Sr, Terry Norris, Mcullum, Robinson in their prime would all have beaten him. !5 round fights would have been even better.Posted September 16, 2013 10:49 am
Canelo clearly beat Mosley. No way that fight could of gone either way. Got to get those eyes checked or learn how to judge a fight. Now the fight between Trout could of gone either way. I thought Trout won that fight by a round. Floyd is indeed great. Nobody said he had undefeated guys on his record and he wouldn’t be able to beat Canelo. Of course now everybody has changed there tune and said Canelo wasn’t ready even though he has been a pro since he was 15 and had 43 fights. Floyd is just that good and that is unfortunate for anybody fighting himPosted September 16, 2013 10:43 am
mayweather is a boring fighter and has made boxing boringPosted September 16, 2013 10:41 am
For starters, no one cares about your forgiveness Choky. Secondly, Many should have taken the damn test in 2010 instead of running to Joshua Clottey. Blame Arum for the fight not taking place. Even when that Judge wrote a letter for negotiations..Arum refused to negotiate. When May offered Pacman $40 mil dollars (Pac largest purse to date), Arum refused and talked about a stadium. Lastly, Mayweather’s greatness don’t need your approval – those who know boxing acknowledge that talent/skill wise – He is the bet ever. Simples. Name one boxer who has consistently made his opponent’s connect ratio to average to around 20%. That is greatness there!!Posted September 16, 2013 10:24 am
Mickey Garcia vs Danny Garcia at 140lbs would be a very good fight..Posted September 16, 2013 10:20 am
Brazilian Boxing Fan
I believe Mayweather´s goal is to retire with a record of 50-0-0-0. Only five more fights to go.Posted September 16, 2013 10:17 am
whatever one thinks of Ross’ scoring it didn’t result in the wrong fighter winning, which has happened several times with scorecards inexplicably favoring the American (Mosley, Williams, Judah, Peterson, Bradley, etc.) or promotional cash-cow (Pacquiao*). Marquez completely disregarded the possibility that this situation would improve during his career and publicly declared his lack of faith in the “official” scorecards and his determination to take matters out of the judge’s hands. bottomline, the outrage regarding the dubious integrity of “official” American scorecards is grossly overdue and selective. pundits and “experts” should save their outrage for when it really counts instead of a “no harm, no foul” situation where the “loser” earned his first loss, the “winner” remains undefeated, and both collected multi-million paydays while emerging virtually unmarked from their encounter. scapegoating C.J. Ross for a situation that’s persisted for decades isn’t gonna make up for all of the crappy scorecards that have been shoved down our collective throats by plenty of other judges not named Ross.Posted September 16, 2013 10:13 am
mayweather was impressive but i never agreed with viveks comments that canelo was a threat (he has not really beaten anyone except a shot mosley and i personally think that the fight angst trout was very close and could have gone either way – as i said before i think that vivek who loves mayweather was making canelo a huge threat just so that later on vivek could say how great mayweather is and i bet you that the article he is going to publish in the next days stating that mayweather is greatest all times (or close to that) was in fact already written before the fight – how could he consider canelo a huge threat when all boxing experts knew that mayweather would win pretty easily
And QUICKER TOO.Posted September 16, 2013 9:51 am
I TOLD Canelo to come IN at 155-160 on Fight night. When you’re the MUCH Bigger target you’re EASIER to hit. Floyd is already the most accurate puncher on the planet. No need to give him an even Bigger target. Thats why Rigo would give him hell. He’s an elusive SMALLER target.Posted September 16, 2013 9:51 am
By the way, Canelo was WAY TOO SLOW by hand and foot just as I predicted!!!! I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!Posted September 16, 2013 9:48 am
IF enough people continue to clamor for it then YES Floyd will take the Manny Fight and SPANK him. But I’d rather watch him beat Martinez. That WIN makes History by beating the Top man at MW. And Floyd just showed that he’s GREAT enough to beat any MW out there including GGG.Posted September 16, 2013 9:37 am
vivek wallace i m not a MAYWEATHER FANPosted September 16, 2013 9:32 am
I forgot, Joe Calzgahe! Ali, Lenord, Jones Jnr and Calzaghe.Posted September 16, 2013 9:17 am
Floyd edges towards being considered one of the greatest of all time with each fight. If he retired now I think there would be healthy debate when comparing him to the likes of Ali, Lenord, Jones Jnr, but at this moment he is only in the mix. I still think he needs Pacman! If he were to beat Manny at that point I think he would cerment his place in history as the greatest of all time.Posted September 16, 2013 9:16 am
Floyd should stay 47 from here on out. He doesnt need to fight martinez. If serg wants a fight, i would make him come to 47 or serg should fight triple g. Its that simple. Floyd has more than earned that rightPosted September 16, 2013 9:12 am
Martin “El Bruchador” Honorio
What did i tell you ?? Did i tell you, that Floyd -Alvarez gonna stink the place? Glad that we have garcia-matthysee fight to see.Posted September 16, 2013 9:04 am
TJ- Cornelius is a SMART man.Posted September 16, 2013 8:47 am
Also Mikey Garcia needs to throw his teams advice in the trash can and move UP to 140 or 147 where more money IS. He has the SKILLS to succeed at those weights. Learn from Canelo’s mistake and stop cutting weight to make weight. Be like Floyd and walk around at your Fight night weight year ROUND. IT makes you SHARPER because you use your training camp to work solely on your SKILLS and endurance instead of worrying about your weight. Canelo agrees with ME on that.
Posted September 16, 2013 8:29 am
My man CORNELIUS BOZA-EDWARDS has told me this is what he did and many more of the great old school fighters of yesteryear, year in, year out….. he walked around no more than 4/5 pounds over his fighting weight and when he could no longer do this he stepped up to Lightweight…. He told me this in the Mayweather gym as Floyd prepared for VICTOR ORTIZ.Posted September 16, 2013 8:36 am
Also Mikey Garcia needs to throw his teams advice in the trash can and move UP to 140 or 147 where more money IS. He has the SKILLS to succeed at those weights. Learn from Canelo’s mistake and stop cutting weight to make weight. Be like Floyd and walk around at your Fight night weight year ROUND. IT makes you SHARPER because you use your training camp to work solely on your SKILLS and endurance instead of worrying about your weight. Canelo agrees with ME on that.Posted September 16, 2013 8:29 am
Garcia should take on Broner.Posted September 16, 2013 8:23 am
I predicted that Floyd would out Box Martinez 2 YEARS ago and I STAND by MY pick. I agree. Floyd should face Martinez next and become the CHAMP at WW, Jr MW, and MW. Martinez with his hands down Defense would get TATTOOED to the FACE all night long. Floyd by decision.Posted September 16, 2013 8:22 am
Matthysse should start training under Saramiento which would make him a more dynamic fighter.Posted September 16, 2013 8:17 am
TJ, no catchweights. Who want to fight at 160 lbs, should fight at 160 lbs. Catchweights need to be forbidden.Posted September 16, 2013 8:12 am
There are no doubt about Floyd’s skills and there’s no one at 147 or 154 that can beat him at this moment, unless he suddenly grows old. However, as opposed to Vivek and many other boxing fans, I didn’t see Canelo as being a danger to Floyd for the same reasons he mentioned in this article.
Vivek mentioned that Canelo “only been fighting for 8 years, but the kid has stood across from 40+ men”. These were the same reasons why I picked Floyd to school this kid. He lacked the experience to deal with Floyd’s superior boxing skills and didn’t know how to adjust. As for the “40+ men”, the question is who were these “40+ men”?
Of his last seven fights he faced Matthew Hatton, Ryan Rhodes, Alfonso Gomez, Kermit Cintron, Shane Mosley, Josesito Lopez and Austin Trout. Of all these fighters, only Austin Trout posed any real threat to Canelo or any other 154 top-ten fighter (and many people felt Trout won that fight). Shane Mosley and Kermit Cintron were only shells of their old self.
Going back before Canelo’s fight against Floyd, I could not believe how many boxing fans were fooled by Canelo’s record. When a fighter like Canelo is brought up with easy fights, he gets overconfident and believes he can walk through anyone. That is until he’s faced with the real deal.
I’m sure he can come back from his lost and be effective, but he needs to stop fighting has been or small fighters like Josesito if he wants to become champion. Perhaps he should fight Lara, though he may be looking at two lost in a row.
As for Floyd, I believe he can beat Sergio Martinez and continue to make history. Sergio is growing old fast and Floyd’s style would be too much for him to overcome. Floyd-Pac would be huge, but we know the story there…it’ll never happen. However, I think he can handle Pac easyly and maybe even knock him out.Posted September 16, 2013 7:22 am
Are you kidding?
There are at least four fighters @ 154 much more proven than CaneloPosted September 16, 2013 6:27 am
And these stats seem as rigged as CJ Ross
Mayweather….232/505 46% Total Punches
Canelo…………117/526 22% Total Punches
Garcia………….225/624 36% Total Punches
Matthysse…….206/566 36% Total PunchesPosted September 16, 2013 6:24 am
Mayweather – Pacman will happen as long as Pac beats Rios and Pac is intelligent enough to leave Top Rank for a final fight against Floyd. This fight should be more competitive than Mayweather doing a Rigo on Canelo. Pac got much better footwork than Canelo and is a southpaw with which Floyd has had difficulties in the past. Since Canelo chose to box and not use his size at all against Floyd, his size was more of a disadvantage than an advantage.
Depending on what version of Pac turns up I see him giving Floyd more or less difficulties. The version of Pac that beat Oscar and Cotto could beat Floyd IMO. Styles make fights. Today’s version of Pac is no where near the elite version of 2008 but still, it should be a competitive fight.Posted September 16, 2013 6:15 am
That was a simply awesome performance by Mayweather on Saturday night! He’s not flashy in his style but rather carries out the basics of boxing with sublime skill and speed. His management of distance and movement are to be admired and exhalted. His accuracy is insane and he continues to remain composed and organised when under fire, even from a much bigger foe. Mayweather carried on from the Guerro fight and was even sharper for those recent 12 rounds of action. I’m a Brit and don’t consider myself a ‘flomo’ but credit where it’s due – the guy is amazing and is a joy to watch. Some critisize his ‘business before boxing’ approach but I really don’t know who beats this guy?! He lives the life, works hard in the gym and has made the very most of his talent. Between those ropes he is pure class and I look forward to his next fight!!Posted September 16, 2013 6:09 am
I can tell you name that can challenge mayweather and he dosent need to go up or down to search he is at 147 p his name is KEITH THURMAN and Vivek knows it too but somehow he likes to criticize him a lot …hmmmm I wonder why…Posted September 16, 2013 5:47 am
PREDICTION: FLOYD WILL NOW ONLY FIGHT FOR BIG MONEY… He will take a break and look at his options and then he will step up to Middleweight and challenge Sergio MARAVILLA Martinez as this is the only viable bout on the horizon and both men are looking for defining bouts….. Weight limit will be at 157/158 …
Sergio has shown signs of slipping as is ,becoming more of a catcher….
I just can’t see the risk-reward ratio being worth it for the likes of SWIFT, KHAN, LARA and the like unless COTTO dominates Rodriguez and gets a rematch, there’s no one left!!!!Posted September 16, 2013 5:04 am