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HARSH REALITY

Nice to see Death Star has finally burned himself out and not answered my question. He’s more of a shooting star.

HARSH REALITY

Posted September 30, 2013 10:21 am 


HARSH REALITY

Death Star. If GGG is really a LMW then why did he not step down and challenge Cotto, Bundrage, Spinks, Canelo and Trout over the last few years for their straps? Would have made more sense than competing against duds at 160? Mundine has done this – won titles at a higher weight and then come down to compete for more. He could have started by facing Mosley and Sergio Mora, instead of p***ing into a pot and whinging like a baby? Why not take the short money if he thinks he’s so good? We know his rep, now let him prove it inside the ring like the great Joe Calzaghe did time and time again.

HARSH REALITY

Posted September 26, 2013 8:33 am 


Sugar Ray

Compared to the boxing greats of the past, Mayweather is overrated. He may retire undefeated but he’ll never be considered an all-time great. He’s a very good defensive fighter but he’s ducked all serious threats and has no signature fight during his career. He’s a low risk-high reward fighter who has made a living avoiding dangerous hard-punchers and fighting guys less skilled, battle worn, smaller, and past their primes. When you look at his record, there’s no Kostya Tszyu, Shane Mosely (at lightweight and welterweight), Miguel Cotto (at junior welterweight and welterweight), Antonio Margarito, Paul Williams, Winky Wright, Sergio Martinez, Manny Pacquiao, and Golovkin. In the words of Public Enemy, “don’t believe the hype.”

Posted September 25, 2013 10:48 am 


Public Enemy

That was the poorest most laughable performance against Mayweather in his entire career.. no one has been beaten so easily by Floyd.. Reminded me of when Roy Jones beat up Vinny Pazienza, Vinny didn’t land a single punch in one round.. I believe Canelo did worse, not landing a single meaningful shot the entire fight.. ROFLMAO.. the kid needs to go back to his Taco Stand…

Posted September 24, 2013 10:46 am 


Happyboy

I have seen him only against ” Mack the knife” who isn’t exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer and seemed more scared than willing to fight GGG. Yes GGG has a ” good looking record” but against who? Seems to me this dude has about a year and a half tops to improve his resume before his start calling out Floyd or he can just start working on his own legacy by beating good boxers like Martinez, Lara, Cotto, Canelo and even SOG who just so happen to be just 8 lbs above him and rated #2 P4P. Since when do boxers get a shot at the best without earning it or do some fans want him to be the exception cause his another great ” white hope”? Time to get real up in here.

Posted September 24, 2013 5:52 am 


Happyboy

Aside from being a hard punching white MW with a good amateur record what does GGG bring to the table that jutifies a shot at Mayweather( lottery ticket)? His not the best MW, his resume is not solid, his not a P4P, no big fan base. How is he is better than someone like say Keith Holmes for instance?

Posted September 24, 2013 5:41 am 


Lilo

SRedmond just got a new A-hole torn into him and whatever was left over was handed back. SRed….you’ve been schooled. Next time, come armed with facts.

Posted September 23, 2013 12:45 pm 


Anonymous

OLD YANK

DID YOU READ MY POST?????

Posted September 23, 2013 11:46 am 


OUCH

Siobhan NY

@Latifa

And by the way…Floyd is an amazing fighter…but he’s not sexy at all…and not manly enough…

Posted September 21, 2013 7:26 am

OUCH!!!! LOL!!!

Posted September 23, 2013 7:54 am 


Bulawayo2

So is Mayweather the real 154lb champion or not?

Posted September 23, 2013 1:40 am 


TARK

Is that all Death Star??? I thought you were just getting warmed up.

Posted September 22, 2013 10:57 pm 


Death Star

just one more question before i depart on my merry way

what’s the answer to this question? >> ?

Posted September 22, 2013 2:37 pm 


Death Star

don’t even bother trying to comeback with anything sredmond. surely even someone as mentally challenged as you realize there’s no coming back from this. i’ve throughly exposed you as a coward, a ducker, a liar, a raving hypocrite, a complete retard, completely clueless, and as someone who constantly twists people’s words and arguments to mean things they didn’t and then tries to claim false victories by proving the the meaning you have twisted it to wrong.

the victory belongs to me and only me. i won’t lie and say it doesn’t taste sweet. but it would’ve been much more satisfying had it it not been such a breeze.

game over. i win. lolz

Posted September 22, 2013 2:35 pm 


Death Star

well there’s a very simple solution solution to that isn’t there. don’t read them. no one asked you to.

and if you were paying attention to them while you were reading them you’d know that the reason they’re long, as i’ve already explained, is because i keep having to repeat the questions he’s been ducking since the outset of all of this and post the same bits of proof to back that i’ve been backing up my argument with.

Posted September 22, 2013 2:24 pm 


Reem

Im not Sredmond!!! He even sucks more than you!!!! You are right but your overlong posts are annoying.

Posted September 22, 2013 12:56 pm 


Death Star

see yer about kiddo. lolz.

Posted September 22, 2013 12:38 pm 


Death Star

Translation: ”The truth hurts and I’m signing in under a different handle to tell you that because I just got absolutely destroyed” lolz.

Posted September 22, 2013 12:37 pm 


Reem

Death Star

your overlong posts SUCKS!!!!!!

Posted September 22, 2013 12:25 pm 


Death Star

the reason ggg fights at mw is very simple, because he doesn’t cut a lot of weight like most fighters of today do. i know mayweather isn’t big for his division, i never said he was. the whole point of this is that there are many, many jmws who walk around heavier than ggg and who’ve weighed in heavier on fight night than ggg ever has, including mayweather’s last opponent canelo. don’t try and claim ggg is too big for mayweather and that mayweather would beat him at a canter and then put up a million reasons and excuses why the fight should never happen. just be honest about the fact you’re terrified ggg would knock mayweather senseless. lolz

Posted September 22, 2013 12:23 pm 


Death Star

i win. sredmond completely effortlessly humiliated and destroyed with laser like precision. lolz

Posted September 22, 2013 12:12 pm 


Death Star

”To me, Golovkin is a junior middleweight, he hasn’t been touched by a Quillin”

Peter Quillin’s manager

”Golovkin is more suited to the light-middleweight division than anything”

Eddie Hearn Darren Barkers promoter

‘Doubters note that Rosado has been fighting recently at junior middleweight. His co-promoter, Russell Peltz of Main Events, cautions us not to fall pray to that reasoning.

“Rosado is bigger than Golovkin,” said Peltz, who expects Rosado to dictate the pace and believes his kid is the best foe Golovkin has fought. He also, “I don’t think Rosado has any respect outside the East Coast

“Gabriel is a big junior middleweight and Gennady is a small middleweight,” said Tom Loeffler, Golovkin’s promoter.

Posted September 22, 2013 12:10 pm 


Death Star

and those straw man arguments were constructed to try and distract away from him answering these questions and challenges i posed him, many of which he’s been ducking from the outset because he knows the answers they yield will completely destroy his arguments and expose his hypocrisy.

you said ggg was a big mw. those were your exact words.

you are now trying to make out he walks around at 180 lbs without so much as a single ounce of proof to back that assertion up.

you said he was lying about being ducked and avoided even though had you had the slightest inkling what you were talking about you would realize that it’s all very well documented.

well seeing as you’re such an expert on all of this perhaps you’d care to fill me in on felix sturm not ducking him for years, even allegedly illegally paying a lot of money to be elevated to a super champion to avoid him when he had no choice but to stop running, on hassan n’dam n’jikam not ducking him on numerous occasions and relinquishing his interim wba belt to avoid the fight, daniel geale immediately relinquishing his newly acquired ibf belt to avoid ggg? anthony mundine turning down a vact wba title shot in his home country of australia to avoid ggg, claiming he had bigger fish to fry only to then go and fight 2 nobodies?

and fill me in on all the info about

the sergio martinez situation
martin murray
peter quillin
darren barker

come on let’s hear it?

had you followed ggg’s career instead of talking out of your ass you’d know all this

and when you’ve finished explaining all this kindly provide some proof to back up your claim ggg is a ”big mw” and that he walks around at 180 lbs?

and when you’ve done that answer these questions

why is ggg too big for mayweather but not canelo who is bigger than ggg?

how comes ggg is going to be weight drained at 154 but canelo was perfectly fine at 152? you keep telling us canelo wasn’t at all affected by the catch-weight. lolz

do you consider these 154 lb fighters big mws?

paul williams

saul alvarez

alfredo angulo

kermit cintron

carlos molina

austin trout

joel julio

sergio martinez

james kirkland

fernado vargas

joshua clottey

what about

josesito lopez

erisande lara

alex bunema

shane mosley

speak up son

and if ggg is such a slow plodding bum who mayweather will breeze through, then why are you reaching for every excuse under the stars for mayweather not to fight him?

and if mayweather is so great as you keep telling us, then why can’t he spot ggg the same weight he spotted canelo?

and if he’s as great as both you and he try and make out, then why can’t he risk fighting ggg when all the legends on that list i showed you used to take massive risks for kicks and giggles, much bigger risks than mayweather has ever taken and against much bigger, better and murderous punching fighters than he has ever come close to fighting, many of whom were atgs, some of which consensus top 5-10?

and why can’t ggg boil down to 154 if roy jones and all the other large weight cutters i listed were able to make a weight that was 20-21 lbs lighter than the one they entered the ring in the next day?

Posted September 22, 2013 12:09 pm 


Death Star

straw man #3

”Why would you mention Hopkins? Who is on another planet than GGG? Hops defended 20 times fought a prime RJJ and when ODH and Trinidad BOTH of whom campaigned at 154 and won belts at 160 fought Hops he stomped them.. Then at 41 he jumps 2 weight classes and starts beating the best 175 pounders in the world and still holds a belt at 48 years old… GGG should be grateful to breastfeed one of Hopkins kids… Golovkin is an up and comer he’s never even been the best 160 pounder in the World… Hops fought them all and still does pushing 50… GGG is slated to fight another meaningless boxer we are discussing an ATG vs a guy who would be forgotten if he choked on some
Pasta toda”

again another clear case of his pitifully transparent attempts to try and distort the meaning of my posts to deflect away from their true meaning. why would i mention b-hop? solely to illustrate what a massive hypocrite he is for criticizing ggg for calling out a smaller fighter whilst not having a problem with one of his favorite fighters b-hop forging a career out of doing it or doing it yet again against a much, much smaller opponent. i can’t think of a fighter whose called out more fighters who were smaller than him than b-hop. most of his most significant wins came against smaller fighters and now he’s calling out another one, one who walks around at 35 lbs lighter than him and fights in a division that’s 4 below the one he fights in, not the 1 division difference between ggg and mayweather. i obviously wasn’t comparing them from an ability or achievement stand point but that’s what sredmond tried to twist it to mean.

Posted September 22, 2013 12:05 pm 


Death Star

straw man argument #2

”Death Star, what facts are these???? Your desire to see Floyd Mayweather fight outside his appropriate weight class or your desire to pretend that GGG is secretly a Jr MW when he does NOT fight there ??? Your overly long posts really are just a vain attempt to enforce your preferences on the best fighter in the World GGG is not a FMJ mandatory in any division NOR does he fight in a division in which Mayweather holds a belt… AGAIN your dreams of pushing a MW into a Mayweather fight can persist but Sergio Martinez would be a FAR more proven and likely candidate… GGG’s best win is a Martinez leftover… That’s a Fact!

i have never said mayweather must fight outside his appropriate weight class, i said i would like to see him fight ggg in the weight class he just fought canelo in and the one he is the unified champion at. once again canelo is bigger than ggg.

he is the one who is pretending here. he said ggg is a big mw, that he walks around at 180 lbs, but he has provided zero proof to back that up, whereas i said ggg is a small mw and he walks around and fights at roughly the same weight or less than a hell of a lot of jmws do and unlike i’ve actually been backing that assertion up with hard proof from the beginning. i’ve proven ggg is a small mw, one who weighs less than many lmws, whereas all he’s done is proven he’s a completely clueless liar who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

Posted September 22, 2013 12:01 pm 


Death Star

Just to show you folks how sredmond’s use of straw man tactics, something he instinctively resorts to when he’s run out of ammo. not that he had any to begin with of course.

Straw man argument #1

I said

”how comes ggg is going to be weight drained at 154 but canelo was perfectly fine at 152? YOU keep telling us canelo wasn’t at all affected by the catch-weight.”

And remember canelo was cutting down from 172 to 152 here, whereas ggg will only have to cut down from 167 to 154

i. but sredmond tried to make out i said

”Death Star, you PROVE MY POINT 100% you say “Canelo was affected by the catchweight” yet you want GGG to drop a full 7 pounds…????”

and look how he then embarks on this ridiculous argument about canelo who turned pro at 15 canelo having fought at a lower weight when he was still growing, which he probably still is even now. But he neglects to mention that ggg turned pro when he was 24 years of age, even older than canelo is now and that he would’ve fought at an even lower weight had he turned pro he was younger and his body was still growing too, which he did in the amateurs, a weight lower than Canelo did when he turned pro.

”Canelo has fought as low as 147 when has GGG fought professionally at 154?”

and again he resorts to straw man arguments and then claims a false victory

”’You guys are a mass of contradictions… Canelo losing 1.5 pounds influenced the bout but Golovkin dropping 7 will garner Mayweather full credit…. Geez you’re highly unintelligent and left your chin open this is similar to Tark and that moron Bears… HAHAHAHAHAHA!!”

what he keeps conveniently neglecting to mention is canelo is bigger than ggg. he entered camp at 172 and had to lose 20 lbs in total, not just 1.5 as sredmond keeps making out, whereas ggg will only have to lose 13 ls. up until a year ago ggg used to walk around at 160-162 lbs but of late it’s been 167, canelo at the very least walks around at 172. he weighed that for trout, whereas the most gg has ever weighed is 170.

Posted September 22, 2013 11:55 am 


Death Star

you really are pitifully stupid. you’re getting absolutely hammered here. you’ve been ducking and avoiding answering all the questions and challenges i’ve posed to back up your claims with a single shred of proof you like your hero ducked pacquiao. and ever so predictably you’ve done so yet again. do you think creating straw man arguments, lying through your teeth, and distorting the meaning of my posts to try and distract away from doing that is going to fool anyone that you’re not getting your ass handed to you royally? and did you really think that was going to work on someone whose iq is at least double the size of yours? lolz. you’re going to have to come a lot better that son. a hell of a lot better. i was born smarter than you’re ever going to be and i’ll die that way too.

i don’t have to pretend anything. you’re the one who keeps saying ggg is a big mw and i’m the one who has proven that is not the case. the visual stimuli is all the evidence needed to attest to that, emphatically, but on top of that i’ve actually shown you his official ring weights, walk around weights from now and last year, i’ve produced ring weights of numerous jmws, all of whom were either roughly the same size as him give a lb or 2, or even bigger. once again they’re all jms, not mws. i’ve been asking you to back up your claim he’s a big mm since you you made it but you haven’t produced a single shred of proof to back it up. you even claim he walks around at 180 lbs but again where is your proof? i”m the one who has been backing my up my arguments since we started this but you haven’t produced any to back up yours. i win, you lose.

Posted September 22, 2013 11:34 am 


Swamp hound

Let me write that again.

Speaking of GGG opponents, who did Canelo beat besides Trout? Well, who did Trout beat? Who did Guerrero beat–Berto? Who did Ortiz beat–Berto? What about Cotto? Well Cotto was KO’d by Pacquiaou and was given a gift decision against Clottey before that.

Posted September 22, 2013 10:13 am 


Swamp hound

Speaking of GGG opponents, who did Canelo beat besides Trout? Well, who did Trout bat? Who Guerrero did beat–Berto? Who did Ortiz beat–Berto? What about Cotto? Well Coot was KO’d by Pacquiaou and was given a gift decision against Clottey before that.

Posted September 22, 2013 10:10 am 


HeavyweightTruth

Floyd is probably the greatest of all time.It’s sometimes hard to judge,either because Floyd has never been in a war or because he usually makes good fighters look useless.Enough of the GGG nonsense.GGG looks formidable,and while personally I can see him dominating at 160 for some time,we can’t honestly comment on how good he is until he’s packed his resume with some opponents that would legitimise his status as the best at 160.He hasn’t been tested yet,so it’s difficult to percieve his weaknesses.We know his strengths,he has silly power that he makes look effortless,with excellent fundamentals and a natural ring IQ.His chin looks solid too,which I hope will be tested by Curtis.But let’s get real,all the “boxing fans” that are insisting Floyd should fight GGG show their complete lack of understanding of both boxing and business.If Floyd fought GGG and embarassed him,these same fans would be insisting Floyd fight Ward etc…Being untouchable in ONE weight division confirms greatness,being untouchable in FIVE divisions is called Supreme Greatness…what more does Floyd have to do? If Floyd fights Pac,Khan,Garcia,Bradley,AND GGG,and makes them all look bad,what then? Some people will keep coming up with more ridiculous challenges,because they hate to see greatness in others,due to their own sad,sub-mediocre lives.Does anyone truly believe SRL or Duran would have beaten Floyd? SRL would have pushed Floyd for sure,but nobody has ever had an answer for Floyds ability to adjust in a fight.Most boxing fans simply miss what Floyd is doing 90% of the time,it’s not always obvious that he’s doing something very slightly different throughout a fight,and this is why all his opponents find out that once you’re in there with Floyd,it’s deep waters and like nothing you’ve ever experience before.The angles,the speed,the movement,reflexes,it’s like he’s there right in front of you,yet he’s somewhere else,because you cant understand why the heck you can’t hit him clean….it’s like punching underwater….. Floyd won’t fight GGG unless it makes financial sense,which must be at least 5 fights away for GGG to clean out 160.Personally I’d prefer to see GGG vs Froch at 168 justfor the fun of it.Look for Floyd to max out on the money and fight Khan/Garcia/Cotto rematch….and possibly Pac if he can beat a top 10 winning streak welter.

Posted September 22, 2013 4:28 am 


Ramsey

Ernie and his hobby. What a loser you are scumbag

Posted September 22, 2013 4:13 am 


Turb0-H@mster

Floyds about business now, I get that, and frankly if he doesn`t want to fight GGG I completely understand the logic.

I don`t have a beef with Floyd on that.

I have a beef with the idea that he should be ranked #1 at JMW.

The JMW limit is 154lb, and there are guys who would go down to that and probably beat him.

You can`t put your toe in the pond and say you went for a swim.

Floyd is #1 WW.

Posted September 21, 2013 4:43 pm 


Jacobi

Floyd Mayweather says that “Jeremy Lin is overhyped because he’s Asian” and says he’ll force Pacquiao to: “make some sushi rolls and cook some rice.” He also said “we’re going to cook him with some cats and dogs.”

Floyd Mayweather also says: “White men couldn’t compete in boxing, so they had to go start something new.”

GGG is white and Asian and and making Floyd run like a duck outa water.

Posted September 21, 2013 3:32 pm 


Anonymous

OLD YANK

YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT SREDMOND AKA SUPREME COURT LIKES YOU AND

RESPECTS YOU ALOT!!!!! THAT’S WHY HE PROVOKES YOU!!!!!

Posted September 21, 2013 3:14 pm 


Anonymous

OLD YANK

YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT SREDMOND AKA SUPREME COURT LIKES YOU AND

RESPECTS YOU ALOT!!!!! THAT’S WHY HE PROVOKES YOU!!!!!

Posted September 21, 2013 3:14 pm 


Bulawayo2

Oh and will little Stevens be fighting at 160 or will he have to come up two weights to fight GGG as Marquez and numerous other had to, to fight either of your hero’s.
I’ve always given Mayweather credit for his great skills, but like Hopkins he’s a complete bore to watch.
GGG best fighter in the World, it’s not even close.

Posted September 21, 2013 2:40 pm 


Bulawayo2

Sredmond,
“Bulwinkle or whatever my name is” you know what it is, I made it easy for you, I printed it, no joined up writing, now why resort to silly jibes or insults.
Golovkin fights so called bums because that’s all he can get, at the moment, but don’t worry the clamour for someone decent to get in the ring with him will grow until it’s too loud to ignore.
We’ve established that it won’t be Mayweather, for all his bravado and big mouth he knows deep down that he’s no match for GGG, same goes for Hopkins. Martinez’ manager has said ther’s no way they will let him in the ring with this guy, although I suspect he will eventually have to fight him, as for Quillan well that would be another three rounder for Gennady.
Barker, Sturm and Geale I doubt the three of them would last ten rounds with this guy.
Sredmond are you an African\American?

Posted September 21, 2013 2:35 pm 


Anonymous

Hop got beat by a Caucasoid…..

Posted September 21, 2013 12:31 pm 


Anonymous

He is going to make over 80 million dollars according to Forbes magazine so he is pretty damn great at Business/Promotion at least.

And that’s part of the reason why the Pac/May fight didn’t happen as revealed by Mayweather recently: TMT and GBP run boxing so you have to go through them. That’s what he said. And that’s more than likely why they wanted to buy Pac out with 40 million….to cut Bob Arum out of the picture.

Posted September 21, 2013 11:51 am 


rjhill

the best in his divisions.

Posted September 21, 2013 11:26 am 


Anonymous

twitter.com/SeanActor LATIFA THIS IS SREDMOND

Posted September 21, 2013 11:25 am 


Anonymous

LATIFA THIS IS SREDMOND: twitter.com/SeanActor

Posted September 21, 2013 11:24 am 


JWales

Btw, two of those four belts didnt even exist until the 1980s and Hopkin’s first was a vacant while two other titles were won from little Felix and Oscar–who got his as a gift from Sturm.

Posted September 21, 2013 11:16 am 


JWales

Funny how Sredmond has no problem with Bernard winning his titles from welters who moved up to middleweight yet whines about Middleweight GGG moving down a weight to fight Floyd.

Posted September 21, 2013 11:12 am 


Anonymous

IN OVER ITS 100 YEAR HISTORY,BOXING TODAY IS AT ITS WORST. ALL WE HAVE NOW IS HYPE JOBS AND PRIMA DONNA”S.

Posted September 21, 2013 10:23 am 


SREDMOND

Bulwinkle or whatever your name is… Reality is that GGG has ANOTHER WEAK opponent lined up who is 5″7…. This guys not out there making waves at 5″7 he is set up to lose… I would not be ripping into GGGs record were it NOT for this undue credit he’s being given relative to proven ATGs like Floyd and Hopkins who have HOFers on their resumes… You wanna make this neophyte who’s padding his record a Boss and discount the Greatness of established multi-Division Champions… I have seen guys rack up wins against suspect comp including a lot of KO’s… Keith Thurman’s doing it at WW but I’m not gonna give a guy undue cred… GGG is NOT the best MW in the world, until he loses or retires that’s Sergio Martinez who fight his way there after years of obscurity…

Posted September 21, 2013 10:00 am 


Anonymous

TAKE MAYWEATHER OUT OF THE PICTURE,AND THE REST ARE B LEVEL SIMPLE.

Posted September 21, 2013 8:58 am 


cotto shines wit his bald head

Been a long time.
Had to say this…Great article.
Good job Vivek.

Posted September 21, 2013 8:16 am 


Siobhan NY

@Latifa

GEEZ NO!! From ESB…since 2012…Everybody knows his name…

And by the way…Floyd is an amazing fighter…but he’s not sexy at all…and not manly enough…

Posted September 21, 2013 7:26 am 


Cann

Hopkins is boring.

Posted September 21, 2013 7:22 am 


Latifa

Siobhan NY, ”Sean”???? Do you know Sredmond personally?????

Posted September 21, 2013 6:42 am 


Bernie

sredmond they’re fools!!! bhop was the best!!!

“Bernard was the FIRST MW to hold all 4 belts the man had part of the MW title for over 10 years.. You dare compare a neophyte like GGG to a LONG TERM Historic Champion like Hopkins?”

Posted September 21, 2013 6:28 am 


Swamp dog

GGG has an excellent jab on par to Joe Louise. It was his jab that cut Rosado

Posted September 21, 2013 4:34 am 


Uk fan

Boxer Puncher – Golovkin has a very powerful, accurate jab.

Posted September 21, 2013 4:26 am 


Siobhan NY

He doesn’t have a jab??? You’re a …

And SREDMOND is an idiot. Good night.

Posted September 21, 2013 4:26 am 


Swamp dog

Heck he spars with Kovalev and if GGG wants to fight middleweights and Super middleweights then so be it.

Posted September 21, 2013 4:21 am 


Boxer Puncher

“He backs me into a corner with just a jab.” Ridiculous, Golovkin doesn’t have a jab.

Posted September 21, 2013 4:01 am 


Siobhan NY

David Imoesiri, who sparred with Povetkin and Gennady:

“I must have done 50 rounds while in camp with Povetkin and it was three and half weeks before he hit me with something that made me hold on. With Golovkin I was ready to get out of the ring 45 seconds into our first round of sparring. He hit me with two lefts to the body in the identical spot and had me doubled over. I got through it but it’s hard to defend against 6-inch punches with that much pop. He backs me into a corner with just a jab. And it seems like he does it effortlessly.”

Posted September 21, 2013 3:51 am 


Mayweathertheone

I find it ridiculous that people demand that he should do ridiculous things like fight Middleweights and Super Middleweights.

Posted September 21, 2013 3:38 am 


Boxer Puncher

Golovkin is a more hype than substance. He’s overrated.

Posted September 21, 2013 3:30 am 


Bulawayo2

Sredmond. GGG is slated to fight a guy that’s 5′ 7″ , so what, as I tried to explain to you earlier the weights are what defines the fight not the height or girth, what exactly are you trying to say here?
Regarding the so called bums that you say Golovkin is fighting, it should be noted that three out of four of those bums had never been stopped, prior to that he was the first man to stop Ouma. Then getting rid of Macklin in less than a third of the time it took Martinez to do, well I’d say that was impressive.
Golovkin is coming, run for the hills boys.
What’s not to like about this guy, he’s well mannered and always puts on a great all action show. and I believe he’s here to stay.
a breath of fresh air, to put opkins in the same league shows a bias and is not based on ability. Golovkin is clearly light years ahead of Hopkins at any time of his career.

Posted September 21, 2013 3:04 am 


Old Coot

@ Ghetto Thug: Well, it seems to me that because Pac has lost before while Floyd has not, and because so many people still think Pac is the only ONE. who can tarnish Floyd’s overrated and coveted zero… FLOYD needs Pac to cement his legacy and prevent his record from brandishing a giant *asterisk. As in- “He was great, but he dodged Pacquiao.” Truth be told, only if there was NO Pacquiao, would Floyd not need to prove his undisputed greatness against him. And as I’ve said several times… “Beat Pacquiao, and prove us Pac fans wrong for good… Eh Floyd!!” Besides… Floyd himself was quoted recently opining that Pacquiao is no more than a “washed up, has been.” Which Manny recently replied with the common sense answer, that if Floyd is correct, then beating Manny should be easier than Marquez, Guerrero, OR Alvarez either one. Especially, after Floyd makes him jump through his blood testing hoops… Ya think? Or maybe you don’t think Floyd can… Not really. LOL!!

Posted September 21, 2013 2:21 am 


SREDMOND

Yeah Tark, I could be the Easter Bunny also.. Rigondeaux earned my respect by schooling an elite fighter.. He was faster, timing better and Donaire had no real answers… That said GGG needs some world class wins… He has a portion of the title, Sergio is the Ring Champ..

Posted September 21, 2013 1:18 am 


SREDMOND

Canelos career is NOT over and he did bank it but he was outclassed and shown not even able to fight Floyd on Cottos level… Again your opinion of GGG is based on him bashing hand picked NON WORLD CLASS boxers which is amount you cannot refute.. They all look good till they step up… I remember when Juanma was looking unstoppable till he started getting clipped now he fights like an OLD man from those wars… GGG is an up and comer and should be discussed accordingly giving him more respect than even Martinez is pure hype… We have seen Sergio have to dig deep against World Class opposition whereas GGG is blinding guys becauses he’s stopping guys that are there to be had… Sergio Maryinez was the first guy to give Macklin a short night.. Pay attention … When you give this newbie a pass over Great fighters its an affront to real students of the game… I remember Jemaine Taylor looking good and going downhill QUICKLY…GGG has a lot to prove

Posted September 21, 2013 1:15 am 


TARK

Sredmond says.., “You were sure Canelo would thrive”

I never said that… But he HAS thrived.. Check his bank account.. His career isn’t over just because he lost to the GOAT… Do you tihnk he’s NOT going to thrive in the next 5 or 10 years? I think he’ll do OK. Not as good as Mikey Garcia, Kovalev, Rigondeaux, and Golovkin.

And I know how good Golovkin is by watching him in action.. Again.. You can only tell these things in retrospect.. I knew Golovkin was going to be a professional world champion when he was an amateur. He was that good … So was Rigondeaux.. Although he was a Cuban so you never know if he’s going to turn pro, but those 2 are the best amateurs I’ve ever seen and Kovalev is close.

All 3 could well be unbeaten in 5 years with multiple world titles.

Posted September 21, 2013 12:56 am 


SREDMOND

Miley Garcia, is stepping up! Rigondeaux proved himself against an elite fighter and Floyd gave a virtuoso performance against the Top Young 154 pounder in the world spotting him 15 pounds and 13 years…YOU don’t know how good GGG is because he’s NOT fighting World Class fighters absent Macklin who was getting banged around… I say the same of Gary Russell Jr who looks awesome but has not fought anyone… Even Broner has 3 World Class fighters on his résumé… Malignaggi, Demarco and Ponce De Leon and he’s supposed to fight Maidana… GGG’s resume is more padded than a good mattress… Again you were sure Canelo would thrive in the ring instead he’s another FMJ opponent who failed to impress when Money May began his work…

Posted September 21, 2013 12:42 am 


SREDMOND

Bernard was the FIRST MW to hold all 4 belts the man had part of the MW title for over 10 years.. You dare compare a neophyte like GGG to a LONG TERM Historic Champion like Hopkins? Ring Mag ranked him # 3 o their list of ATG MW Champs and you put a guy with a padded record who is NOT EVEN the Top MW in the world in the convo with him… Even GGG would not make such a ridiculous claim…We don’t even need to discuss his accomplishments at 175, he is easily the Greatest Older age fighter in history… Yet you bums are licking the balls and taint of an upstart.. Fools, schools out!

Posted September 21, 2013 12:36 am 


TARK

Sredmond.., You only know what happens in retrospect..

You said Mayweather was going to shred, paint, smoke, and KO Canelo.. You said Peterson was going to beat Matthysse… You said Matthysse was going to KO Garcia.

ALL your analysis and predictions come a cropper on fight night.. You have no idea how good Golovkin is or isn’t.. Same with Rigondeaux, Kovalev, and Mikey Garcia.. You only see Floyd and the Klitschkos.

One to lust after … the other 2 to hate.. You just blather.. You know nothing.

Posted September 21, 2013 12:30 am 


SREDMOND

A lot of you guys need to accept reality Floyd cannot fight guys who bring nothing to the table at this point.. Lara, Molina, GGG are NOT draws… Unless these guys can build serious names before he retires they have no shot… His min guarantee is 32 mill the fights need to do bizzzzzz Canelo was Floyd’s birthday gift to Showtime and the fans..I think Garcias next in line GGG is facing a guy with how many losses who stands 5″7… How is this gonna make him a draw …??? This guys not gonna get a fan base facing fodder like this and besides he’s a 160 pounder who’s not making REAL WAVES IN HIS OWN DIVISION Ishida was coming off TWO straight LOSSES… Golovkins record is padded…

Posted September 21, 2013 12:23 am 


SREDMOND

Tark your attempt to put GGG in a convo with Hops is simply a pathetic joke… Bernard has more has 7 less MW defenses that GGG has fights.. Hops has REAL World Titles in 2 Weight Classes and he dominated his division… GGG is not even on par with Sergio Martinez let alone Bernard Hopkins you’re a SAD bandwagoneer shamelessly JOCKING newbies and guys with padded records. Next guy GGG is gonna box is shorter than Mayweather!!! Guy had a good win over Martinez leftover now he’s going backwards again… You gonna tell me how Great His opponents are? GTFOH

Posted September 21, 2013 12:12 am 


SREDMOND

Tark, one of Hopkins early losses was to Roy Jones Jr who was unbeatable for 50 fights 4 weight classes including HW… GGG is slated to fight a guy who is 5″7 while he is 5″11 Stevenson dropped a bout to Jesse Brinkley from the “Contender” when GGG faced Ishida he was coming off TWO straight losses… When he faced Macklin the dude had dropped 2 of 3 bouts one where he got beat up and stopped by Martinez… Face it GGG is fighting SOFT competition guys who are losing or on their way down… How many losses does his latest midget opponent have?? Bernard’s and ATG if he retires today, GGG is a figment of your imagination till he proves something beyond this level of competitor..

Posted September 21, 2013 12:05 am 


Ghetto Thug

Floyd “TBE” Mayweather smashed another butt who was suppoused to beat him and haters are whinning like they always do LMAO

Posted September 20, 2013 11:53 pm 


The Truth

you can say floyd would beat them but its not the same as actully doing it

Posted September 20, 2013 11:37 pm 


Ray Ray

Public enemy-I didnt no this article was about hopkins? Best achievment beating 2 smaller guys? Wrong…. Longest middleweight champ ever, 20plus tittle defences, Stepping up and bashing TRver, next Pavlic….Oldest world champ ever……mayb there his greatest achievments?

Posted September 20, 2013 11:32 pm 


maracho

Btw 2, what I am getting at here is a quick super six at 154

Posted September 20, 2013 10:08 pm 


maracho

It makes no difference to me at all if we switch it around. Floyd has already said that he wants Canelo vs Molina in his next undercard so I was working with his good idea.

Btw, Quillin hasnt shown any interest in coming down in weight but he is one of my favorite fighters and would be great competition for GGG

Posted September 20, 2013 9:58 pm 


maracho

A legend but no promoter because one wants to watch his next fight.

Posted September 20, 2013 9:49 pm 


maracho

The ideal card would be Floyd vs the sexier Lara with an undercard of Canelo vs Molina and GGG Vs Quillin. Whoever puts on the best show gets the winner of Lara vs Floyd.

Maybe HBO will allow GGG to fight on SHO if SHO allows one of their top fighters to fight on HBO. Anyway there needs to be legislation to allow fighters to fight where they want without repercussions.

Posted September 20, 2013 9:38 pm 


SREDMOND

PE don’t be mad that Bhop exposed Tito and beat him down terribly.. After that bout Trinidad list his edge and became the king of retirements.. He had a 36 year old Hops in there and after waving Joppy he was thought to have a good chance till Nard destroyed him… Tito got to big for his britches and had to get handled…!

Posted September 20, 2013 9:37 pm 


SREDMOND

Hopkins is a LEGEND and the fact that boxers 20 years younger than him cannot beat him up is a testament to his skill, conditioning and iron will in an unforgiving sport… Seriously GGG is NOBODY compared to Bernard Hopkins who did more at MW than this upstart can ever hope to… This is where you guys get imbalanced comparing an up and coming fighter to an ATG with 25 years or so in the sport… Hops beat a better fighter at 46 than GGG has EVER…

Posted September 20, 2013 9:34 pm 


SREDMOND

Death Star, the fact that HBO is trying to sell GGG is great! If he’s such a household name then he should have nonissue becoming a Big PPV player at MW!! Clearly he does not need a fighter like Floyd Mayweather since he’s a household name…??? Why does he not sell 1million or even 500k PPV’s with this current opponent? Why the desire to make 154 pounds if he’s not in dire need of the Mayweather Magic?

Posted September 20, 2013 9:30 pm 


sthomas

IF GGG is serious about getting the Floyd fight, he needs to drop to 154 asap and blast out the highest rated fighter he can get. If this happens he’ll prove he’s able to make the wieght without compromise, he’ll be a hot promotional item, and he’ll also put himself at the head of the list to legitimately challenge for Floyd’s titles @ 154. If GGG does’nt drop to 154 then he and fans should not expect nor complain when the fight never happens.

Posted September 20, 2013 9:10 pm 


Mountain cow

Back in the day the champs moved up or down to fight the best but this Mayweather seems to move up and down to escape the best via fighting chumps and has beens?

Now we got a guy willing to come down fair and square to challenge him for his belts but his fan boys scowl 24/7 as if they’re from Money Team’s inquisition.

Posted September 20, 2013 9:09 pm 


Martin “El Bruchador” Honorio

Oh great! Vivek is praising Mayweather for beating Alvarez, does he bother to answer the question— Who does Alvarez beat? The comp is very important, coz it tells you how good you are, again, the question— Who does Alvarez beat??

Posted September 20, 2013 9:04 pm 


Crow331

Overrated.

Posted September 20, 2013 8:41 pm 


Bulawayo2

Redmond, ” Hopkins is on another planet compared to GGG ” and aren’t we all pleased. Hopkins is a complete bore, and a dirty fighter to boot. To compare him and Golovkin is an insult, GGG comes to fight, not spend two thirds of each round hugging and dancing. Golovkin in terms of talent is way ahead of Hopkins, Hopkins is a spoiler, nothing more. Golovkin at 160 puts him out of business as well, and probably at 168 as well. I hope Gennady is thought better of than Bernard Hopkins.

Posted September 20, 2013 7:49 pm 


mean mug

lighten up yuri

Posted September 20, 2013 7:48 pm 


SREDMOND

Death Star, you PROVE MY POINT 100% you say “Canelo was affected by the catchweight” yet you want GGG to drop a full 7 pounds…???? Canelo has fought as low as 147 when has GGG fought professionally at 154? Basically you wanna create a “No Win” scenario for Mayweather is GGG loses it was because he was drained….You guys are a mass of contradictions… Canelo losing 1.5 pounds influenced the bout but Golovkin dropping 7 will garner Mayweather full credit.???? Am ai supposed to but this?????… Geez you’re highly unintelligent and left your chin open this is similar to Tark and that moron Bears… HAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Posted September 20, 2013 7:01 pm 


SREDMOND

Death Star, you PROVE MY POINT 100% you say “Canelo was affected by the catchweight” yet you want GGG to drop a full 7 pounds…???? Canelo has fought as low as 147 when has GGG fought professionally at 154? Basically you wanna create a “No Win” scenario for Mayweather is GGG loses it was because he was drained….You guys are a mass of contradictions… Canelo losing 1.5 pounds influenced the bout but Golovkin dropping 7 will garner Mayweather full credit…. Geez you’re highly unintelligent and left your chin open this is similar to Tark and that moron Bears… HAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Posted September 20, 2013 6:36 pm 


TARK

Macklin put Martinez on the canvas and gave him a damned hard fight… FACT.

Golovkin crushed Macklin like a baby — and Macklin couldn’t connect with a single impressive punch during the fight, even a jab, FACT

When asked to compare fighters Macklin laughed, “There’s no comparison.”

Posted September 20, 2013 6:29 pm 


TJ

TARK

Everybody’s career is about keeping the O… They’re lying if they say it isn’t.

ROY JONES JNR said something very interesting regarding keeping his 0… When he was DISQUALIFIED vs MONTELL GRIFFIN, he could no longer retire unbeaten and then he had to change his whole attitude from PROTECTING his 0 to BREAKING RECORDS and that’s what he set out to do by WINNING the Heavyweight belt and then going back down in weight to reclaim the Light Heavyweight Title as no one had done this….

He could no longer protect his 0 and then had to look for records to break…. He believes this led to his KO defeat to TARVER…. He could not get the fights at Heavy with TYSON etc …

Posted September 20, 2013 6:27 pm 


SREDMOND

Why would you mention Hopkins? Who is on another planet than GGG? Hops defended 20 times fought a prime RJJ and when ODH and Trinidad BOTH of whom campaigned at 154 and won belts at 160 fought Hops he stomped them.. Then at 41 he jumps 2 weight classes and starts beating the best 175 pounders in the world and still holds a belt at 48 years old… GGG should be grateful to breastfeed one of Hopkins kids… Golovkin is an up and comer he’s never even been the best 160 pounder in the World… Hops fought them all and still does pushing 50… GGG is slated to fight another meaningless boxer we are discussing an ATG vs a guy who would be forgotten if he choked on some
Pasta today…

Posted September 20, 2013 6:27 pm 


SREDMOND

Death Star, what facts are these???? Your desire to see Floyd Mayweather fight outside his appropriate weight class or your desire to pretend that GGG is secretly a Jr MW when he does NOT fight there ??? Your overly long posts really are just a vain attempt to enforce your preferences on the best fighter in the World GGG is not a FMJ mandatory in any division NOR does he fight in a division in which Mayweather holds a belt… AGAIN your dreams of pushing a MW into a Mayweather fight can persist but Sergio Martinez would be a FAR more proven and likely candidate… GGG’s best win is a Martinez leftover… That’s a Fact!

Posted September 20, 2013 6:18 pm 


Old Coot

@Tark: I hope he fights Pac… Otherwise he will never remove the asterisk awaiting to be placed next to his zero, if he retires for good without doing so.

Posted September 20, 2013 6:10 pm 


TARK

You know what??? Floyd WILL fight Pacquiao.. It may not be next… Danny Garcia might be next.. but Floyd WILL fight Pacquiao by next September in China … Assuming Pacquiao beats Rios — which he will.

Posted September 20, 2013 6:07 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Youngstown paper says Kelly Pavlik got busted for refusing to pay his cab fare of $25. Not notable, except the cabbie was driving him home from a bar at 2:45 am and Pavlik’s a drunk who went to rehab for it.

Posted September 20, 2013 4:56 pm 


Old Coot

Avoid Pacquiao and forever be deemed the undefeated Floydasterisk champion!

Posted September 20, 2013 4:48 pm 


Death Star

amusing how you’re all gushing over b-hop, a fighter who forged an entire career of calling out and beating up fighters from lower divisions. he called out ww’s and jmws all the time when he was a mw. fighting opponents in divisions they’d either never fought in before, looked poor in, were way above their optimum weight, or had no right at all being at. mosley, trinidad, wright, pacquioa, and even mayweather now despite him being a lhw. lolz

Posted September 20, 2013 4:47 pm 


Bird

here it is….if Pac win his next fight he should fight GGG or even Alverez….see what he can do…..Floyd really don’t have to prove anything…..5 more fights to finish 50 – 0 money should probably fight Khan in England….get over sea exposure…and then they have a tournament… top 10 fight each other with the right to fight Floyd,,,,in between that money can fight 2 fighters free..no pay per view fight Osca cry baby cause he think he should have one … by then he will be 49- 0 and the tournament winner make the GRAND FINALLY the best vs Floyd….

Posted September 20, 2013 4:43 pm 


Death Star

my ”weak campaign” is backed up by hard proof and evidence, all you have done here however is just back up and cling onto arguments i debunked before you even got out of the starting block. i provide proof, your provide opinion and transparent agenda and mountains of excuses. you provide zero proof to refute my claims, zero knowledge about many of the things you’re arguing against, zero intelligent retort to them, zero appetite to answer uncomfortable questions i challenge you with. you couldn’t mount a weaker campaign if you tried.

lets run this by you again.

you said ggg was a big mw. those were your exact words.

you are now trying to make out he walks around at 180 lbs without so much as a single ounce of proof to back that assertion up.

you said he was lying about being ducked and avoided even though had you had the slightest inkling what you were talking about you would realize that it’s all very well documented.

well seeing as you’re such an expert on all of this perhaps you’d care to fill me in on felix sturm not ducking him for years, even allegedly illegally paying a lot of money to be elevated to a super champion to avoid him when he had no choice but to stop running, on hassan n’dam n’jikam not ducking him on numerous occasions and relinquishing his interim wba belt to avoid the fight, daniel geale immediately relinquishing his newly acquired ibf belt to avoid ggg? anthony mundine turning down a vact wba title shot in his home country of australia to avoid ggg, claiming he had bigger fish to fry only to then go and fight 2 nobodies?

and fill me in on all the info about

the sergio martinez situation
martin murray
peter quillin
darren barker

come on let’s hear it?

had you followed ggg’s career instead of talking out of your ass you’d know all this

and when you’ve finished explaining all this kindly provide some proof to back up your claim ggg is a ”big mw” and that he walks around at 180 lbs?

and when you’ve done that answer these questions

why is ggg too big for mayweather but not canelo who is bigger than ggg?

how comes ggg is going to be weight drained at 154 but canelo was perfectly fine at 152? you keep telling us canelo wasn’t at all affected by the catch-weight. lolz

do you consider these 154 lb fighters big mws?

paul williams

saul alvarez

alfredo angulo

kermit cintron

carlos molina

austin trout

joel julio

sergio martinez

james kirkland

fernado vargas

joshua clottey

what about

josesito lopez

erisande lara

alex bunema

shane mosley

speak up son

and if ggg is such a slow plodding bum who mayweather will breeze through, then why are you reaching for every excuse under the stars for mayweather not to fight him?

and if mayweather is so great as you keep telling us, then why can’t he spot ggg the same weight he spotted canelo?

and if he’s as great as both you and he try and make out, then why can’t he risk fighting ggg when all the legends on that list i showed you used to take massive risks for kicks and giggles, much bigger risks than mayweather has ever taken and against much bigger, better and murderous punching fighters than he has ever come close to fighting, many of whom were atgs, some of which consensus top 5-10?

and why can’t ggg boil down to 154 if roy jones and all the other large weight cutters i listed were able to make a weight that was 20-21 lbs lighter than the one they entered the ring in the next day?

ggg is not a big mw and he could make 154 without too much difficulty. /the end

Posted September 20, 2013 4:37 pm 


JWales

Well HBO gave SHO a lot of their own circle jerks and fishnets but why exactly I am not sure. Arum says a lack of respect but I’d say political philosophy and of course money were the root causes.

Yeah greed and the power to control exactly who fights who

Posted September 20, 2013 4:17 pm 


socalgonzales

BORING! THE ALVAREZ FIGHT WAS LAME ALL THE SEPERATED THE TWO FIGHTERS WAS A COUPLE OF CLEAN PUNCHES NOTHTING MORE.

Posted September 20, 2013 4:12 pm 


Old Coot

Bottom line Money… Beat Pacman, straight up for once, without the usual Floydistic tricks, of unwarranted, unfounded, unprecedented, and uncalled for demands… Even barely, and I VOW here and now to kiss your ring, and forever purge my doubts of your greatness!

Posted September 20, 2013 4:02 pm 


Old Coot

@ Anyone who tries to keep ‘Money” out of the line of the ‘Pacman’s’, fire by constantly peddling the notion that defeating Canelo, somehow PROVES once and for all, that he doesn’t need Pacquiao… I beg to differ, WILDLY!!… Because, #1.- As some may recall, back this past June, I said more than once, that while I’d root for Canelo because he had the youth, power, hunger, heart, hand speed, and stamina, to offer a punchers’ shot at a KO, still I thought Floyd only chose him, simply because he had fairly slow feet, that were little better than Robert Guerrero before him. And #2.- To serious and casual fight-fans and insiders alike, Money actually NEEDS Pacman, MORE, if for no other reason than because Pacquiao exists, –Marquez, KO or not, as perhaps the ONE pugilist worthy enough to raise doubts whether Floyd could really defeat HIM… Face facts… If Floyd never proves once and for all he CAN whoop Pacquiao, then to more minds than not, his zero, will have a HUGE * asterisk *, as in- *”But Money never fought Pacman!” Denoting that Mayweather literally tried every trick in the book, and some NOT in the book, both reasonable or not, and fair or not, to avoid proving he can’t be beaten by the ONE, Pacquiao, who possibly could.

Posted September 20, 2013 3:55 pm 


Old Yank

HBO Boxing became too full of the aroma of Chrome by Azarro cologne and the look of Armani suits and too empty the stench of cigars and the look of faded jeans. If Showtime Boxing is not careful they will suffer the same fate – fishnets for everyone!

Posted September 20, 2013 3:49 pm 


Old Yank

JWales — Well, Molina WAS on the undercard and seeing that status get boosted to prime time in the near future would not be unusual.

The Showtime-Goldenboy alliance is no more holy than the HBO-Goldenboy alliance was. After all, only the boys IN the circle end up getting off in a round of circle-jerk.

Posted September 20, 2013 3:40 pm 


Anonymous

Mayweather would beat Molina

Mayweather might win against Lara but it’s not a certainty.

Mayweather would get well and truly destroyed by GGG.

Posted September 20, 2013 3:40 pm 


JWales

Exactly Floyd keeps fighting Oscar’s purported “raza” / mini-Golden Boys

He needs to fight real proven prime champs like Erislandy Lara, Carlos Molina, or GGG. If Showtime can promote Canelo as “The One” then they can make one of these guys “The ten”.

Posted September 20, 2013 3:33 pm 


Oso peligroso

GGG and the ATGs that is

Posted September 20, 2013 3:03 pm 


Oso peligroso

GGG and the ATG were not afraid to go way up in weight against other ATGs but Floyd’s groupies are apparently afraid for Floyd to defend the belts of his walk around weight; often the defensive minded plight of fragile centrist propagandists .

Posted September 20, 2013 3:02 pm 


TARK

Sredmond.., I never “dumped” Canelo.. He’s a good fighter, not yet an ATG fighter like Cotto was. He’s certainly not a puncher like Golovkin, Kovalev or Mikey Garcia. GGG is a great boxer and puncher. He doesn’t have accomplishments because the top guys are afraid of him. I’m not calling for a Floyd-GGG fight. I’m saying it’s a dumb fight and won’t be made. GGG is just having a hard time getting a big name.

That’s the curse of being a great puncher.

Bowe refused to fight Lewis. Povetking took years to fight Wladimir. Do you think Stevenson or Hopkins are going to fight Kovalev? But sooner or later these guys are going to have to fight GGG. He just has to be patient until the public pressure is too much to dodge the fight anymore. Even Patterson had to fight Liston after making him wait for 5 years.

Posted September 20, 2013 2:47 pm 


Stateside

Old Yank – I agree!!! I really hope GGG is the real deal. He would be great for boxing! I like the kid. I just think Rosado, Macklin, and Gregorz whatever his name was are not the tests to prove much. I have a feeling that he is the goods!!!! I pray he is not as boring as Rigondeaux….Haha! I know he isn’t. Dynamite in those hands, and he is a thinker!!!!!

Posted September 20, 2013 2:31 pm 


Stateside

Trout, Lara, Molina = NO MONEY!!!! Ain’t happening! And they would be blowouts!!!

Posted September 20, 2013 2:27 pm 


Old Yank

Stateside — I certainly get the common sense to your last post. But I would caution you. Rigondeaux had only 10 pro bouts and almost no one on his dance card was of any note. He then stepped in with one of the top P4P fighters in the business and won. At times our eyes should tell us more than whose name is printed on a resume.

Posted September 20, 2013 2:27 pm 


Stateside

If Floyd has 5 more fights it will be likely against Pac, Cotto, maybe Garcia. Khan might draw some $$$$. Sergio would draw a little, but he is well past it. He will never fight Bradley!!!! No $$$$ there.

Posted September 20, 2013 2:25 pm 


dtoyS

Trout, Lara, Molina and Martisoyan should be next for Floyd and Not Khan, Garcia or Manny.

Posted September 20, 2013 2:24 pm 


Old Yank

PUPPY — Were fans “lusting” to see Mayweather against Baldomir, Mosley, Ortiz, Cotto or Guerrera? The yardstick is now raised to “lusting” in order to calibrate a fan-friendly bout for Mayweather? You are a DOPE! Please quiet down before you prove it to everyone reading these posts.

Posted September 20, 2013 2:23 pm 


dtoyS

After what Floyd did to a 172 pounds Canelo, Garcia will get kill against the much Bigger #1 p4p Floyd……..Floyd has nothing more to prove at the welterweight div. especially not the light welterweight div., Floyd has to move up in weight and challenge Trout, Lara, Molina, Martisiyan and GGG.

Posted September 20, 2013 2:21 pm 


Stateside

GGG looks deadly! He has looked great against B-B+ fighters. Has yet to fight an A level fighter IMO! We need to see that before we jump on the hypewagon! I don’t think a PBF/GGG would ever happen. If it happened right now, my guess is GGG wouldn’t ever touch Floyd! Floyd would not exchange as much as he did with Canelo and Cotto. He is too smart for that. People would criticize that which is ludicrous! He would move, confuse, and score at will. Not an appealing fight, especially for GGG fans……but it never happens.

Posted September 20, 2013 2:21 pm 


Old Yank

NONSENSE!

Posted September 20, 2013 2:20 pm 


dtoyS

130 pounds Duran fought and beat 195 pounds Iran Barkley.

Posted September 20, 2013 2:20 pm 


Old Yank

The last post to the puppy was from me.

Posted September 20, 2013 2:18 pm 


Anonymous

SREDMOND — I hope that you learn to read soon. I said that Mayweather/GGG would be appealing to fans. Now go to the dictionary like a good student and look up appealing and then look up your choice of words “lusting”. Please report back if you can comprehend any difference between the two words.

In addition to stating that fans would find a bout between GGG and Mayweather appealing (which is the absolute truth), I said that should Mayweather want the bout, he needs to send GGG looking for Canelo first. Should GGG get passed Canelo it would make a bout with Mayweather even more appealing.

You are like a puppy chasing his tail and then pissing on the carpet when you can’t catch it. I appeal to whoever is currently standing or sitting closest to you to smack you on the nose with the newspaper.

Posted September 20, 2013 2:18 pm 


SREDMOND

In the World of Boxing Welterweights don’t have to fight MW’s especially WW’s who began at 130 pounds…Trying to bait a pro fighter out of his appropriate weight class by calling him “a coward” is WEAK… GGG does not have a single thing that warrants Mayweather fighting him absent a few hardcore fans who want to see if a 160 pounder can so what guys from 130 to 154 have been unable to… If he beats GGG guys will invent ANOTHER guy and the story continues… Floyd’s going back to WW where he belongs and has earned the right to box, he’s a greater threat to stop a guy there and is not spotting guys (except Ortiz) 15 pounds the night of the contest… GGG would get humiliated at 168 against a Ward or perhaps even Froch that’s why his team is looking for smaller boxers for him to face… WEAKNESS

Posted September 20, 2013 2:09 pm 


SREDMOND

Canelo certainly brought something to the table from a PPV perspective but he’s not yet a bankable solo player and absent Cotto he will be lucky to do 500k…
None of the fighters Floyd easily handled went on to become PPV stars… Absent the Mexican fan base a lot of people first heard and saw Canelo when he was setting up and fought Floyd… He lost WIDELY in most eyes and the fight was not a barn burner do the casual fans impetus to follow Canelo is likely not gonna make him a lock of PPV… Sure he will sell out arenas in Texas but getting Big PPV was dependent on him impressing… If he does not fight Cotto or Chavez Jr expect him back on Showtime doing bouts in TX

Posted September 20, 2013 2:02 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, Ward and GGG’s accomplishments are not close to equal… Ward is the Super 6 winner, Ring Champ and a guy who owns DOMINANT wins over Froch Kessler and Dawson all World Champs on more than one occasion and 2 of whom were on the lower end of the P4P list… Who has GGG beat???? Macklin,not comparable you keep saying GGG is gonna go to 154 or 168 well call us when he does it… His boogeyman persona is especially unremarkable at the higher weight where he won’t be facing former 154 pounders a like Ouma, Rosado and Ishida… Ward is the #2 fighter in the sport, at this point GGG is becoming more hype than accomplishment… And when he loses you will dump him like you did Canelo…

Posted September 20, 2013 1:52 pm 


Siobhan NY

Gennady is very heavy handed…He doesn’t create power through speed he is just heavy handed and hits like a mule!!
And THIS is great for him because it means as he gets older his power will carry over!!

Posted September 20, 2013 1:45 pm 


TARK

If Golovkin ever gets Martinez in a ring he’s going to gut him. He’s flat out going to smash Sergio into the canvas and step on him. He’s PO’d.

Posted September 20, 2013 1:40 pm 


TARK

Andre Ward is fighting Edwin Rodriguez… Let’s see if he gets past him.

Golovkin is fighting Curtis Stevens. He wants to clean up the middleweight division first. Then he going after Ward if he’s still around. Golovkin will be fighting until he’s 37 or 38. He doesn’t get hit.

Posted September 20, 2013 1:37 pm 


TARK

…., “That huge crowd on hand last Saturday night and those record setting numbers were in support of Canelo.” … Not really.

I want to see the PPV numbers if Canelo fights Cotto… Floyd drew those numbers, and Canelo helped a lot.. Nobody is going to draw those numbers without Floyd.. Danny Garcia never did a PPV on his own. I’ll bet he does 1.5 with Floyd. That’s a great fight.

Let’s see what Pacquiao does with Rios. It’s an attractive fight. If Pac wins in spectacular fashion and fights Floyd. Is that going to be more attractive? If that fight is held in China all PPV records are history.

Posted September 20, 2013 1:32 pm 


Stateside

Anonymous

I agree that Floyd has at times avoided fighters that might have been dangerous, and it is the one flaw that will put a smudge on his legacy. But none of them could have beaten him. Not Pacqiauo, not Margarito, not any of them. Period. And understand this……I don’t like him at all and long to see him lose. However, I have eyeballs and can see. Regardless of how I feel about him, I cannot argue with his greatness!!!!

Posted September 20, 2013 1:11 pm 


Da UnKnown Comic

Nice story. But one thing you are wrong about. Numbers DO lie. Think about it long and hard. It’ll come to you.

Posted September 20, 2013 12:50 pm 


Public Enemy

Truth be told – don’t forget half those buyers bought the PPV because Danny Garcia and Lucas Matthyess were added to the poor card..

Posted September 20, 2013 12:49 pm 


Truth be told

He may be great or GOAT depending on your opinion of Floyd but even still he can’t draw flies to his fights without the right dance partner. That huge crowd on hand last Saturday night and those record setting numbers were in support of Canelo. If he wants to continue those numbers his only choice is fight Pacquiao.

Posted September 20, 2013 12:43 pm 


TJ

OOOOOPPPS!!!!

It should have read: SUPER LIGHTWEIGHT (140lbs) championship!!!!

Posted September 20, 2013 12:36 pm 


TJ

Turb0-H@mster

“Imagine someone now beating Darren Barker, then Stieglitz, then Shumenov and calling themselves a three weight champion – they wouldn`t even need to be that good. If there was one belt and they had to beat GGG, Ward and Kovalev to call themselves a three weight champion that would be very different.”

Posted September 20, 2013 12:35 am

I COULDN’T AGREE WITH YOU MORE TURBO….

When ALEXIS ARGUELLO stepped up and challenged AARON PRYOR for his Super Welterweight crown (ultimately failing twice) it was seen as a real feat to even be going for a 4th World Title at a fourth weight category… but, with today’s imposters and proliferation of titles and weigh-in changes, boxers are seen as failures if they are NOT multiple weight world champions….

Posted September 20, 2013 12:35 pm 


Robe

Floyd Mayweather’s career isn’t about the huge payday, legitimizing his legacy, satiating boxing fans, nor satisfying a need to want to challenge himself by competing with the best fighters out there.
Floyd Mayweather’s career motivation is only about keeping that all-important, Big-0, that spotless record, to preserve an illusion that his distorted, inflated ego depends on for its very survival. That Big-0 is the be all, end all for Floyd Mayweather.

Luckily for Floyd, he has the best of all possible worlds to ensure that record is never in danger.
He is a truly remarkable, savvy boxing scout, shrewd businessmen, and great promoter (Whom else would have the shrewd insight to know that if your opponent has a superstision of needles on fight day to demand Olympic style drug testing?). Floyd has an uncanny knack for sizing up which opponent would fare the worst against his style. He also has an uncanny knack for evaluating which opponent has unduly captured the public’s attention and praise – in other words, the overhyped fighter that would generate the most pay-per-view interest.
But unluckily for us fans, this micro-managed system of opponent selection always results in dubious, un-noteworthy bouts that leave us scratching our heads, with only one word coming to mind each time: Sham.

Because a fight in Vegas guarantees him all the stipulations…like local promoters, like the oversized, immense ring he demands every time out so that he may make the most of his evasive, backwards movement that he’ll be utilizing all night long.
And another Uniquely-Vegas accommodation, those hand injections that Floyd gets that keep him from feeling pain in his particularly brittle hands until after the match is over. No, only the opponent gets to feel that pain, because that would not be fair to Floyd.

He knows better than to face the best when they’re at their best. He knows there have been guys in his division(s) who stood a legitimate chance of beating him. Floyd knows…boxing politics. A lot more than you or I ever will. And he’s craftily, shrewdly and deceptively kept himself out of true harm’s way. So we as fight fans get a continual dose of this savvy self-promoter that dupes us time and time again as he talks up yet another fight, legitimizing it enough to snare our pay-per-view dollars and laughing all the way to the bank. No wonder Larry Merchant went off on him.

Posted September 20, 2013 12:26 pm 


TJ

SERIOUSLY FOLKS, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO SEE CHANGE you have to get up off your bottoms and to force change. We campaigned long and hard on the old SETANTA site for our own boxing TV channel and various members got off their butts and started petitions and canvassed support from genuine fans.

In the space of 4 years we got what we were asking for (to a degree)….

The sport of boxing is actually a business first and sport, a distant second.

Therefore, my suggestion is for people who want to see GGG take on Floyd to start a movement to canvas people’s opinions and let AL HAYMON, SHOWTIME and the MAYWEATHERS know you are serious as there is definitely a RISK:REWARD gap here as Golovkin is NOT a big name worldwide that will generate 1.5M plus PPVS….

I would go as far to say that along with the canvas of names you get a nominal 10 dollar fee (deposit) from them to show that they are serious in their desire and will pay for such a contest….

If you get 1.5M or even 1M people prepared to shell out 69.95 or 79.95 or whatever the PPV cost I would be certain that SHOWTIME will make the fight happen. Although, I do believe that GGG is with HBO, so that is a snag!!!

It is really that simple.

No one got anywhere by whining…. Get up off your butts and do something about it!!!!!

Posted September 20, 2013 12:24 pm 


Siobhan NY

Gennady stated that he would even drop to 154 for Floyd…to 168 for Andre Ward…but nobody in any weight class from 154-168 really wants this guy. Everyone that has fought Gennady has said he has tremendous power like they have never felt before…Power that few fighters have, but this guy does!!

Posted September 20, 2013 12:13 pm 


Siobhan NY

“Jay Z’s club in Manhattan and ALOT of people did not know who Canelo was” …oh Sean…come on…that’s BS!!

Posted September 20, 2013 12:10 pm 


Anonymous

The more SREDMOND writes against the idea of Mayweather fighting GGG the more he makes Mayweather look like a coward. He’s actually weakening his own arguments and making Mayweather look more scared by the day!!

Posted September 20, 2013 12:09 pm 


PEEJ

Yeah he keeps trying to say people are running from him at 154 yet he has never fought at 154. He isn’t moving up to 168 anytime soon. So he needs to keep doing what he is doing and GGG will run 160 until he leaves. But he has never made 154 in his Pro career. And him starting to come in heavier fight night isn’t gonna help him any if he decides to try and make 154

Posted September 20, 2013 12:07 pm 


Anonymous

SREDMOND absolutely desperate for Mayweather to avoid GGG at all costs. Hilarious!!

Posted September 20, 2013 12:04 pm 


SREDMOND

Death Star, your weak campaign to sell Golovkin as a 154 pounder is NOT washing he does NOT fight at that weight and he’s no different than 25 other pro boxers who would do ANYTHING for a Mayweather payday… I’m sure Ward would drop down to 154 in order to get a 15 million dollar paycheck because there is only one man who brings that type of cash to the table at this point… Does that mean Wards a 154 pound boxer??? NOOOOOOO he’s chasing the $$$$$$ which is understandable but not practical from a physical standpoint… If GGG is really a 154 pounder lets see him drop his MW belts and start campaigning there… I’m just having fun because this relative NOBODY is not gonna get a FMJ shot before more proven and physically comparable boxers do… At this point Golovkin brings NOTHING to the table whatsoever, he’s NOT GREAT, HE’S NOT the best in his division, He’s not Ring Champ, and he has NO FANBASE, he’s an HBO fighter… I’m 95% sure he will never get an FMJ bout there is simply no natural collision course… Mayweathers next bout will be at 147, when has he EVER fought 2x in a row at 154 excuse me 150 fight night…???

Posted September 20, 2013 12:00 pm 


TARK

Idiot Ernie putting his fake TARK crap out there again.

Posted September 20, 2013 11:57 am 


SREDMOND

Old Yank, where are all these casual fans lusting to see GGG fight Floyd Mayweather? This website is full of boxing fanatics that don’t mirror the everyday fan…! I watched the bout
Like I usually do at Jay Z’s club in Manhattan and ALOT of people did not know who Canelo was… We can agree Canelo is FAR more popular than Golovkin … If Floyds gonna start fighting MW’s then Sergio Garcia deserves the shot WELL before GGG for a variety of reasons he has been the BEST MW from the past few years, he is Ring Champ, has a higher profile and he has done a successful PPV with Chavez Jr already… He projects being healthy again in 2014…. GGG does not even get ahead of Danny Garcia who solidified himself as the BEST at 140 and was showcased winning his biggest bout on the Mayweather undercard… GGG has NOTHING to sell to the general public and how will this drop in weight be dealt with by Mayweather detractors?? They wept when Canelo came down a MEASLEY 2 pounds what about a full MW dropping to a divison he’s NEVER fight in as a pro? At least Martinez once fought at 154 even though that was years ago… Reality is there are 3 or 4 fighters who are more deserving of a Mayweather bout than this relatively untested MW…GGG and Floyds names are not gonna be mentioned in the history books…

Posted September 20, 2013 11:51 am 


Public Enemy

You guys are crazy if you think PBF would fight GGG over Paquiao or Cotto in a rematch.. it’s about the Money for Floyd and he will not get big PPV numbers with GGG he just does not have a big USA following.. most average Boxing Fans don’t even know who he is.. With Paquiao or Cotto he’s guranteed their Huge Following and they’re globally known..

Posted September 20, 2013 11:48 am 


Old Yank

Should GGG be willing to make 154 and should Mayweather want the fight it would be appealing to fans. Should Mayweather consider the bout it would be wise for him to suggest GGG build his name via a win over Canelo at 154 first. Should GGG be unable to get passed Canelo, then the fan appeal to see him against Mayweather would wan.

Posted September 20, 2013 11:20 am 


Old Yank

SIMPLE STUFF: GGG shares characteristics of several great prospects that came before him — amateur pedigree, Olympic medal, high-end training, observable skills and a fine start to a pro career. Most fans would like to see GGG in the ring against any marquee name from 154 to 168. Where he stands in the mix and ultimately in history and any legacy can only be determined by the path he walks, not the path we talk.

Posted September 20, 2013 11:11 am 


Anonymous

Stateside

I HATE MAYWEATHER!!!!!!!!!!

That said…..he’s the greatest of this era….hands down.

Mayweather greatest of this era?? Mayweather is the greatest at avoiding fighters that can beat him.

Posted September 20, 2013 10:58 am 


death star

a big weight cutter

Posted September 20, 2013 10:52 am 


death star

ggg weighs less than canelo and many other lmws. if he was a weight cutter like most fighters these days are he’d be fighting at lmw. it’s only an additional 6 lbs he’d have to lose. losing a maximum of a stone is what he’d have to cutt. roy jones rehydrated to 180 after weighing in. gatti put on 20 too. clottley 21. angulo 21. lmws trout, angulo, canelo, williams, cintron, molina, vargas, kirkland, juilo have all weighed in the same or more than ggg does on fight night

Posted September 20, 2013 10:51 am 


Stateside

I HATE MAYWEATHER!!!!!!!!!!

That said…..he’s the greatest of this era….hands down. There is no one who can beat him south of Andre Ward, and that would be a good fight!!!

Posted September 20, 2013 10:48 am 


Yuri

Once again death star make very fine words and perfect sense. pay attention to what he say, everything he say is FACTS and wise words.

Golovkin WBA and IBO champion! Most feared fighter in world and want to fight ANYONE from 154-168.

But Mayweather run away from him.

Mayweather great champion? Great warrior?

Great champion never run away.

Great warrior never run away.

Mayweather not great champion! He cherry picker. Only fight who he can beat.

Golovkin best in world not Mayweather.

Mayweather run away Golovkin.

Posted September 20, 2013 10:22 am 


SREDMOND

Old Yank, what “feel” do you have? I’m simply like the guy has gotta step up and do it against guys in his division or above… Crying “everyone’s ducking me” is an OLD tactic… We saw people use Canelo as this “sudden yardstick” that would finally tell us how Great Floyd is NOW we are seeing rank amateurs declaring GGG is the guy!!!! and by the way pretend he does not walk around 30 pounds heavier than Mayweather nor fight 2 divisions above… There are LESS THAN 7 guys who have titles in as many divisions as Mayweather and GGG is not one of them… He’s a heavy handed MW who has been padding his résumé via KO’s…. If he becomes a real force in boxing it will be at 160…. Ward should not be discussed in the same breath as GGG by his 20th fight he was beating the hell out of the Top 168 pounder and simply blazed thru the divisions beating Froch, Bika, Abraham and culminating with Chad Dawson… GGG bet a recycled Macklin after that what’s there to discuss??

Posted September 20, 2013 10:14 am 


SREDMOND

Old Yank, I was not even in this site before Andre was at the door of the Super 6, why would I say he had no chin when the kid had NEVER been stopped? Now you’re just making things up because I’m wiping the floor with your arguments but that’s no matter…!!! I’m not a fan of getting overhyped on guys like GGG or Gary Russell till they beat some World Class fighters…I have seen Golovkin types before looking unbeatable till they start fighting the next tier of comp that is not there to be KOed… If GGG is soooooo awesome why do you have a lack of confidence he can prove it against those in his division???? Why is his fate to shave off weight and go after a WW fighter???

Posted September 20, 2013 10:05 am 


cool jerry

Siobhan NY, I’m right there with you.

Gennady is half Korean, half Russian. He even said it himself when addressing the President of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbaev. “Nationality wise, my mother is Korean, my father is Russian. But I consider myself as a Kazakh. Thank you.” Gennady Golovkin.
Kazakhstan is a very ethnically diverse country, something which the people respect and are proud of. Gennady fights for ALL of Kazakhstan and is a manifestation of that diversity AND unity being half Russian, half Korean…

Posted September 20, 2013 9:31 am 


death star

and that was just the truth

Posted September 20, 2013 9:10 am 


death star

A tragic hard luck story won’t sell either.

NEW YORK — It was the spring of 1994 in Karaganda, a large coal mining city in the Karagandy Province of Kazakhstan, and Gennady Golovkin was a kid enjoying life. He was 12 years old and a budding athlete, a gifted boxer who was already winning junior tournaments. His older brothers, Sergey and Vadim, had pushed him and his twin brother, Max, into the ring when he was eight, and he had taken to it quickly. He loved them for that. They joined the Russian army when Golovkin was nine. He thought of them whenever he laced up the gloves.
Four years earlier, in 1990, Vadim died, killed in action. There was no explanation from the government official who called the house, no details. The army there didn’t work like that. He was just gone. Golovkin remembers his parents tears. He remembers the empty feeling in his stomach. He remembers a funeral without a body. Serving in the army was dangerous, Golovkin knew that. But he never expected this.
The second call, in ’94, was worse. Sergey was gone, too. Back came the tears, back came the wails, back came the sinking, empty feeling, multiplied exponentially. Losing one brother was excruciating. But two? Once again, government officials offered no details. Like Vadim, Sergey was dead. And that was it. For months, the uncertainty of how Sergey and Vadim were killed haunted the household.
“It was very tough, very tough,” Golovkin said. “My family, it really tore us up.”
It was the kind of tragedy that can ruin a man, a family. No one would have blamed Golovkin if he went into a shell, if he quit the sport his brothers talked him into. He could have walked away, but he didn’t. He pressed on. And he became perhaps the most feared middleweight in the world today.
*****
In the winter of 2010, Abel Sanchez got a phone call at his gym in Big Bear, Calif. from Oleg Herman, a boxing manager. “I’ve got a fighter I want you to meet,” Herman said. “His name is Gennady Golovkin. Are you around?” “Sure,” Sanchez told him. Not that he had any idea who Golovkin was.
Golovkin and his team drove up to Big Bear that day, armed with footage of some of his fights. For several hours, Sanchez and Golovkin dissected to the tapes, commenting, critiquing, developing a rapport.
“I saw some things coaches can’t teach,” Sanchez said. “He has heavy hands. He moves guys when he touches them.”
Indeed, Golovkin had been throwing big punches all his life. Growing up, Sergey and Vadim would walk the streets with Golovkin and pick men out of a crowd. Are you afraid of him, they would ask Gennady. When he said no, they told him to go get into a fight. Sometimes they wrestled, sometimes they boxed, sometimes they just threw punches.
“My brothers, they were doing that from when I was in kindergarten,” Golovkin said. “Every day, different guys.”

Posted September 20, 2013 9:08 am 


death star

yes, no one knows who ggg is.

WBA/IBO middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin (27-0, 24KOs) has continued to climb in the television ratings on HBO. When Golovkin made his HBO debut against Grzegorz Proksa last September, he drew a rating of 685,000 viewers. The number climbed to 813,000 when he faced Gabriel Rosado in January, and last Saturday’s three round destruction of Matthew Macklin drew a figure of 1.1 million viewers.

Golovkin will return to HBO in November against another highly ranked opponent. He may take another fight, off HBO, in August or September. After he dispatched of Rosado in January, HBO stepped up their marketing efforts for Golovkin’s fight with Macklin and the higher ratings figure displays their added effort in gaining more subscribers to watch the Eastern Euro puncher.

Further evidence that the Golovkin story is spreading? HBO, which will televise the Golovkin-Stevens scrap, ran one of the “2 Days” mini docs in June before Golovkin’s fight against Gabriel Rosado and it was their highest-rated episode of that program.

i mean it’s not like people like watching ko artists who can end a fight with one shot from either hand at any time or anything, or like it would be difficult for mayweather ”the face of boxing in the sport of boxing” to use his ”immense popularity” to hype ggg and the fight up. ”i’m fighting the mw champion of the world, a former world amateur champion, olympic silver medalist, 345-5 record, one punch ko’d lucian bute, beat andre dirrell, daniel geale etc. is the most feared and avoided fighter in the sport of boxing bar none (reel of a list of all the fighters who didn’t want to know), flash ko highlight reel of him and images of opponent’s bloody faces, ”none of the big players at 160 want to fight this guy. they were giving up their belts to avoid him. but i’ll step up to the plate because that’s what i do. i’m a warrior. i don’t run from no challenge”. he has the highest ko percentage in mw history, breaks his opponents ribs, leaves their faces look like they’ve been put through a meat grinder, flash ko highlight reel again, beats up hws and cws in the gym, nobody below 175 wants to spar him, and even those who do have to wear body armour round their torsos like the type nfl players wear, beat this champ up in sparring, beat that one, (reel of a list of quotes from fighters, sparring partners, hw and cw ones too, saying how hard he hits, how the hw champion povetkin couldn’t hurt them but after a few minutes in the ring with ggg they wanted to jump out. has the face of an angel and is always smiling but is a stone cold killer in the ring. he comes from a very rough part of Kazakhstan, a place full of criminals and sports men, used to be a street fighter, had lots of street fights, his brothers used to force him to fight men on the streets as a teen. flash ko highlight reel again and images of opponent’s bloodied faces.,

Posted September 20, 2013 9:06 am 


Siobhan NY

Gennady is half Korean, half Russian. He even said it himself when addressing the President of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbaev. “Nationality wise, my mother is Korean, my father is Russian. But I consider myself as a Kazakh. Thank you.” Gennady Golovkin.
Kazakhstan is a very ethnically diverse country, something which the people respect and are proud of. Gennady fights for ALL of Kazakhstan and is a manifestation of that diversity AND unity being half Russian, half Korean…

Posted September 20, 2013 8:46 am 


Old Yank

super feather

Posted September 20, 2013 8:07 am 


cool jerry

Slav, he is a Kazakh not a Slav.

Posted September 20, 2013 6:13 am 


cool jerry

GGG reminds me so much of Hagler

Posted September 20, 2013 6:06 am 


SREDMOND

Marquez, Cotto, ODH, and Mosley are HOFers…for sure GGG is presently on course for the Mess Hall only his résumé is nothing to be excited about… So how is fighting him gonna move the needle for Floyd? Outside hardcore no one knows this guy and why should they? He’s just a MW Keith Thurman knocking out a low level of competition, we have seen this before GGG is a relative nobody despite guys fantasies that he is on top of boxing..

Posted September 20, 2013 5:58 am 


boxing barlow

Pains me to say it as I’m not a fan of his personality, but I consider Mayweather to be the best of all time. I can understand how people can put an argument against it though. But I think Floyd took a big step towards cermenting his legacy in the Alvarez fight. If he’s got the sense and he wants the title of best of all time 100% I still feel he needs to beat Pacman.

Posted September 20, 2013 5:20 am 


Doggie

He’ll be a top 20 all time. Never a joe louis or jack dempsey nor even a rocky marciano who also lacked tough competition — hence the 49-0 record. sorry Floyd jr. You are only as good as the competition. And right now there isn’t any at 147 nor 154. GGG maybe? 158 catch?

Posted September 20, 2013 3:49 am 


Latifa

Money May is sexiest man on planet!!!

Proud African

Oso- I really don’t know.only thing i know irrefutably, between Lara and mayweather,is that mayweather is sexier. Oso, who do you think is sexier??

Posted September 20, 2013 1:43 am

Posted September 20, 2013 3:21 am 


Mike

Very well written and concise article. Very good points and insight.

Posted September 20, 2013 2:31 am 


Anonymous

”WHAT TO 50 ‘ CENT / HE WAS NOT AT THE ”FIGHT .

Posted September 20, 2013 2:08 am 


Proud African

Tark, although your offer is tempting, I must turn it down, as I have already offered these services to public enemy and Supreme Court. These golden services are legally binding in 49 states. Although your carbon dated age does provide me with arousal of the deviant nature, I must turn down your offer. Yours truly, Proud African.

Posted September 20, 2013 2:05 am 


Anonymous

” WHAT HAPPEN 50 CE. “” he was not at the ”’fight //

Posted September 20, 2013 2:05 am 


TARK

Negro isn’t an offensive term these days is it? Apologies if it is but in my day it was all the rage you see.

What about coloreds instead? Would your prefer it if I used that term?

Posted September 20, 2013 2:03 am 


david d.

FMJ is a fan and student of boxing, making loads of money by out smarting the system and hustling the sport….crafting his career to create an illusion of greatness that doesn’t exist. Oh now, look closely at the names and records of the greats of past…no such arguments are presented with such doubts as is with FMJ. Please, read between the hype my friends.

Posted September 20, 2013 1:55 am 


TARK

Proud African, can you do me a big favour please? Every time you need to take a number one could you pee into an empty bottle instead of going to the crapper and store them at room temperature for me, ideally in a cellar or garage? Once you’ve got enough (300 litres should suffice) I’ll send one of my drivers round in a truck to take them off your hands. I’ll make it worth your while of course. I’ll give you $100 for every litre of urine. How does that sound? I know you’re probably surprised I’m willing to fork out such a hefty sum for your waste product, which obviously costs you nothing and is completely useless to you, but I couldn’t even begin to explain the pleasure I derive from bathing in a tub of piping hot unadulterated negro’s urine. You see due to my condition and age my bones ache constantly and bathing in negro urine is one of the only things that helps dull the ache and ease the pain.

Thanks in advance.

Posted September 20, 2013 1:53 am 


Proud African

Oso- I really don’t know.only thing i know irrefutably, between Lara and mayweather,is that mayweather is sexier. Oso, who do you think is sexier??

Posted September 20, 2013 1:43 am 


Oso peligroso

Proud African do you believe that Floyd deserves more notoriety at 154 than Ereslandy?

Posted September 20, 2013 1:30 am 


Oso peligroso

Mr. Vidik watch this video: youtube.com/watch?v=VH0LOY31vLU#t=104

Tark…please enlighten us to who Froch fought before Calzaghe retired

Posted September 20, 2013 1:24 am 


TARK

Hamster.., People know Barker isn’t any good… He gets no respect… Everyone knows GGG would kill him if they fought, which won’t happen.

I think it’s harder to distinguish yourself today because there ARE so many orgs.. Guys like GGG and Kovalev will have to fight very hard to get the other champions to fight them.. It’s a mess.. It’s political.. It’s corrupt.. Kovalev and Golovkin can have title fights that are easier than sparring sessions … and then not have another fight for 5 months.

It’s pretty damned hard to fight the bureaucracy. Tougher than the boxing.

Posted September 20, 2013 12:51 am 


Proud African

Q. How many Mexican white devils does it take to screw up a lightbulb

A. One to do the bulb, and 20 to stand around farting and discussing how Floyd ducked Chris Arreola.

Posted September 20, 2013 12:49 am 


SREDMOND

Proud African- we are forum soulmates. How about we rub each other with vaseline for a “pre warm up” sparring session for our battle tonight.. It’ ll be ” long and hard” . Surely we will be sore tomorrow morning. All those low blows will definitely are a toll. Lets have Supreme Court join our hot session!

Posted September 20, 2013 12:44 am 


B Red

The Bllessins with the lessons is th,at Floyd is like bebop , scat artist, picking his man apart. The poet wont be for gotten, ya dig

Posted September 20, 2013 12:38 am 


Turb0-H@mster

It matters in as much as it is much easier to pick off the low hanging fruit in a a division now and move on saying you are a multiple weight champion.

Broner is now a 3 weight champion after that Malignaggi fight. I think it’s important to distinguish between what Broner has done, and what someone like Armstrong did.

I certainly don`t believe there are four times as many quality fighters today – not to the extent that the quality of some titles aren`t diluted – especially when you throw in regular/super titles, silver titles, etc etc.

Imagine someone now beating Darren Barker, then Stieglitz, then Shumenov and calling themselves a three weight champion – they wouldn`t even need to be that good. If there was one belt and they had to beat GGG, Ward and Kovalev to call themselves a three weight champion that would be very different.

Posted September 20, 2013 12:35 am 


TARK

Oso peligroso…, Obviously Idiot Ernie, the fake TARK, is displaying his stupidity again.

Froch called Calzaghe out for years and was a top fighter before Joe retired.. Plus Calzaghe fought Peter Manfredo when he could have made 5 times as much money fighting Calzaghe..

And obviously Froch wasn’t the only guy Calzaghe ducked.

Posted September 20, 2013 12:22 am 


TARK

Hamster…, “The governing bodies expanded from one to four.”

It doesn’t matter because there’s 4 times as many fighters and everyone knows who the best fighters are… The sport is more global and the fighters make more money.

Everyone still knows Floyd is the top welterweight and top fighter in the world.. Everybody pretty much knows Golovkin is the top middleweight.. Everybody knows Wladimir is the top Heavyweight.. There is some confusion right now at Light Heavyweight, but won’t be once Kovalev has a chance to fight everybody.. Everybody knows Rigondeaux is the man at 122.. Mikey Garcia ruled at 126 and will soon rule at 130.. Andre Ward is the best at 168 etc..

Posted September 20, 2013 12:17 am 


TARK

Oso…..I like it when I get ordered around.

How about you and me get naked, just see what happens?

It won`t be weird or anything, just do a few g’s of blow, and go a little crazy TARKSTYLE.

Posted September 20, 2013 12:13 am 


Remy

Oso peligroso I did 50 in your mouth !

Posted September 20, 2013 12:08 am 


Oso peligroso

Tark

1.Calzaghe retired before Froch any big names on his resume.

2. Calzaghe gave Ward the blueprint to defeat Kessler

Now drop down and give me fifty for slackin off.

Posted September 20, 2013 12:03 am 


TOO SMOOTH

Floyd whoops 3G at 160, no need for 3G to drop to 154. If and when FM beats 3G at 160 how would FM rate in the history of the sport. I already know the detractors would say FM gets NO credit for the win because 3G hasn’t beat anyone of any substance. This is the continuing hypocrisy that detractors live by. I’m no nuthugger and in some instances the FM haters do make some valid points but, a lot of the time they can’t find a way to give him any credit. It’s either he’s ducking guys that are much bigger than him, even though he’s campaigning at his fifth weight division or use the past greats to fuel their hatred. One guy they love to compare FM to is Sugar ray Leonard. Using the same scope of criticism detractors use on FM, one could argue SRL lost to Hagler,if detractors believe ODH beat FM, than surely one can argue Hagler beat SRL. SLR dropped a fight to Duran and dropped a fight to Hearns. I don’t want to even bring up what SRL did against Donny Lelond. If FM pulled that same stuff the haters would take to the streets. FM is one of the greatest ever. I say he stands and holds his own against any of the greats. I can’t say whether he beats any or all but I’d say none just walk through him with ease.

Posted September 20, 2013 12:02 am 


Proud African

Where is the Squared Circle Devil?

I will fight you anytime burrito pony boy. ANYTIME.

Posted September 20, 2013 12:00 am 


Proud African

You all must understand that a pure African like Floyd will never lose to a taco-worshipping white devil.

Maybe now Canelo can go back to sleeping under a sombrero when he is meant to be mowing some white ladies lawn.

Posted September 19, 2013 11:57 pm 


Anonymous

Proud African why would Golovkin fight at 147? Do you know anything about boxing you moron?? Shut up and only leave comments that makes sense.

Posted September 19, 2013 11:39 pm 


Proud African

SREDMOND, can I put my finger up your ass please?

Posted September 19, 2013 11:35 pm 


death star

thank you yuri

Posted September 19, 2013 11:05 pm 


death star

ray no problem

Posted September 19, 2013 11:04 pm 


death star

turbo-h@mster i’ll take what i can get. lolz

Posted September 19, 2013 11:04 pm 


Yuri

death star, old yank, tark, Bulawayo2, all these talk right words and understand Golovkin biggest danger to Mayweather. He most dangerous fighter of all weights today. Mayweather will run away from Golovkin, he scared like little girl.

Golovkin beat Mayweather so easy it would not reach 6 round before Golovkin knock Mayweather out. Whole world can see this except Mayweather fan boys who say Mayweather can fight everyone but NOT Golovkin.

They know Golovkin at 154 (Mayweather’s world title belt) would destroy him.

Mayweather only fight who he can beat, not real champion, not boxing great, he cherry picker, only pick fight he can win.

Garcia next, or Khan, or Alexander, or Martinez, Mayweather beat all of these to pad his record and bank account. But he run away from real danger, Golovkin.

I have more respect for Pacman who fight bigger guys sometimes, take tough fights, again and again, until he lose against Marquez. Pacman REAL champion. He REAL boxing legend. He brave and fight against fighters who can beat him.

Mayweather cherrypicker. Not all time great like Pacman.

The 0 by his name mean nothing. Mayweather avoid dangerous fighter like Golovkin because he know he lose fast, by KO.

Posted September 19, 2013 10:32 pm 


Turb0-H@mster

I think Hearns beat Floyd from the outside at WW over 12 rounds.

And I love that that will drive TARK crazy and have him talking about Iran Barkly like a middleweight puncher has anything to do with fighting a welterweight technician.

Posted September 19, 2013 10:29 pm 


jake

I think in his prime tommy hearns would have given Floyd a rough time , haven`t seen the fight yet but I hear it was another borefest

Posted September 19, 2013 10:20 pm 


Ray

Thanks for that list Death star. i second that.

Posted September 19, 2013 10:17 pm 


Turb0-H@mster

I propose 100,000 ESB ranking points go to death star for his ice cold r@pe of the idea that Mayweather-GGG would be some kind of unprecedented madness

Posted September 19, 2013 10:06 pm 


Informer

I think he would have an awfully tough time against Aaron Pryor and Duran. Leonard is being a bit modest. Leonard definitely would have used his jab and had pretty quick hands. Floyd was almost KO’d by an old Mosely. I really don’t Mosely would have been competitive against Leonard. Hagler simply too big and let’s not forget: Hagler was a southpaw who fought good from both sides. Floyd is very good, but he has beaten a lot of one dimensional fighters, inexperienced, etc. I take nothing from him but I don’t there are several guys from the past who would have beaten him. Also, he will still have that asterisk of not fighting Manny in his prime imediately following the Cotto fight. That was a great business decision from Floyd, but did nothing positive for his legacy.

Posted September 19, 2013 10:05 pm 


death star

saul alvarez 154 – josesito lopez 153

fight night

alvarez 164 – lopez 165

saul alvarez 153 ½- austin trout 154 ¼

fight night

alvarez 172 – trout 171

alfredo angulo 153 ½ – erisande lara 153 ¾

fight night

angulo 174 – lara 164

kermit cintron against angulo 153

fight night

169

joel julio 154 – james kirkland 153

fight night

julio 167 – kirkland 166

carlos molina 153 ¾ – james kirkland 153 ¾

fight night

molina 170 – kirkland 174

sergio martinez 154 – alex bunema 153 ½

fight night

martinez 165 – bunema 165

saul alvarez 154 – shane mosley 154

fight night

alvarez 167 – mosley 164

fernando vargas vs mosley 154

fight night 168

paul williams against erisande lara 153 ½

fight night 170

joshua clottey against corrales 149

fight night

170 all the way from 149 remember

that’s just a handful of examples of light middleweights

ggg is a mw. walks around at 167-168 lbs now, less than a year ago 161-162

weighs 167-168 on fight night, maybe sometimes less. heaviest ever weight 170 (which was a one off)

Posted September 19, 2013 9:51 pm 


Turb0-H@mster

When using all the titles and weight divisions to pump Floyd up vs past fighters, we need to remember how the weight divisions multiplied in the late 50′s/early 60′s, and added to this the governing bodies expanded from one to four.

In 1950 there were 8 world titles available. Now there are 4 x 17 = 68.

So you have someone like Henry Armstrong holding titles across three weights lightweight to Welter at the same time – that is the equivalent of holding them across 5 divisions now.

Armstrong also didn`t have a JMW to dip his toe into – he fought for the MW title and drew with a guy, he`d actually beaten at a lower weight.

None of this is to say that I`d watch tape of Armstrong and necessarily see him beating FLoyd, I wouldn`t, and I wasn`t around to really see the ins and outs of Armstrongs career – who he avoided etc.

But when people tot up titles to prove greatness, you have to factor in that had a decision gone his way, he would have been won half of all the available world title belts at one time.
Noone will come close to doing that again – you`d need 34 belts.

Posted September 19, 2013 9:34 pm 


death star

and lets put this theory to test once again about ggg being this ”big mw”

bear with me

Posted September 19, 2013 9:21 pm 


death star

I never implied ggg is the greatest ko puncher in mw history nor did i even begin to im imply he was go down as go down as the greatest. don’t try and play with my words son because i’ll burn you and burn you hard. i said he has the highest ko percentage in mw history, which he does. i’m well aware he hasn’t, through absolutely no fault of his own been fighting the best quality opponents out there, and we know exactly why that is. the reason i highlight his punching prowess, and it is extremely formidable, and his current standing as the scourge of the mw division and the most feared and avoided fighter in the sport, is to illustrate the point that mayweather will get a lot of credit for fighting him.

regardless of who he has fought, ggg’s reputation precedes him and is well known throughout the sport. everyone knows that ggg stands a very real chance of beating him and if mayweather took a risk as big as that it would not only shut up many of his detractors who’ve long criticized him for playing it safe and not taking the kind of big risks the true greats before him took, it would do much more to enhance his legacy than fighting all these C grade fighters who stand no chance of beating him. you guys keep telling us how great he is and how there’s no one out there who can beat him, well why the hell don’t you want him to test himself someone who poses him a serious threat then? especially if you really believe it would be such a breeze for him.

Posted September 19, 2013 9:19 pm 


death star

sredmond do you have a more intelligent an older brother or a friend who can sit in for you? there’s an established pattern here and it mainly consists of you talking out of your ass and me proving you wrong, and you reaching for every excuse under the stars to try and keep mayweather from fighting an opponent who you claim will be easy work for him.

you said ggg was a big mw. this is a lie and i provided ample evidence to refute it.

you said ggg was making excuses about being ducked, yet again i proved you wrong

you were crowing about mayweather beating marquez like it was some great feat, but you completely neglected to mention he was jumping up 2 divisions, after only having fought twice at the one he resided in prior to fighting mayweather, and that mayweather didn’t even attempt to make the weight even though he’s only a small ww. lolz. what’s more risky marquez jumping up 2 division to fight the p4p #1 fighter mayweather or mayweather fighting ggg who’ll weigh the same as ortiz and canelo? so if marquez can do that then why not mayweather ggg?

you say mayweather is greater than xyz legends who went before him, and then when i show you a list of some of the huge risks some of those fighters took during their careers, much greater risks than mayweather ”the greatest” has ever dared to take, you come up with a list of excuses as to why he can’t fight a ”slow plodder bum” who he’ll ”beat with ease”?

answer me this, if little billy conn can start out at 135 and take on the ferocious punching atg killer joe louis (a consensus top 5 atg great at any weight), whilst spotting louis 30 lbs, then why can’t mayweather fight bum ggg?

Posted September 19, 2013 9:16 pm 


death star

dear get real.

you sound over emotional. i suggest you change you your tampon before you go accusing people of talking bs. i don’t deal in bs. the only currency i deal in is called the cold, harsh truth. some can handle that, and some can’t. we know which camp you fall into don’t we. there’s zero bs in my post.

if you’d actually read my posts you’d understand that i’m saying ggg is a natural lmw. i’ll say this one more time for your benefit. canelo is bigger than ggg. ggg’s walk around weight now is 167 lbs. up until last november he was walking around at 161-162 lbs. the heaviest he’s ever weighed in a fight was 170 lbs (which was a one off) normally, of late, he’s 167-168 lbs max. canelo was 172 lbs against trout and 165 lbs against mayweather. victor ortiz was also 165 lbs against mayweather too. if ggg fights mayweather at 154 he will be no bigger than either.

ggg has been trying to build a legacy silly. only problem is that’s very difficult to do when you’ve been ducked and avoided by virtually all of the top dogs at 160, some of whom for years. he was the mandatory for felix sturm’s belt for 2 years, sturm didn’t want to know. none of the big dogs at 160 do. fighters have given up their belts to avoid him, numerous fighters, turned down world title shots against him in their homeland, saying they have bigger fish to fry only to then go and fight bums. he’s going to move up to sm eventually, but when he does he’s going up there to stay. if he were to go up to sm now and beat one of the big dogs up there he’d have to relinquish his title, a title he had to work so hard to get what with everyone ducking him, if he tried to go back down to secure matches after that with the best at 160 and 154 they’re not going to be more eager to fight him than they are now. get real. he’s already the most avoided fighter in the sport as it is.

sturm ducked him numerous times. ggg was his madatory for years. sturm pulled every trick in the book to wriggle out of that fight.
Hassan n’jikam n’dam ducked him numerous times. he relinquished his interim wba belt to avoid him
daniel geale relinquished his wba belt he’d just won in his previous fight, which made him a unified wba and ibf champion, to avoid ggg.
sergio martinez and his promoter cleary want nothing to do wit ggg
martin murray was offered more money than he got for fighting martinez to fight ggg, he claimed he never received an offer, his promoter contradicted that.
darren barker’s promoter has admitted he doesn’t want any part of ggg for barker unless he absolutely has no choice
pirog pulled out injured fro a big fight against ggg
quillin has made it known he’s not interested.

he’s a natural lmw who has been frozen out almost everyone at 160.

Posted September 19, 2013 9:13 pm 


Hidalgo

“And Sredmond… You’re the man who was so confident Peterson was going to outbox Matthysse and started chortling, “This is going to be fun.” … You also said Matthysse was going to KO Garcia.

I made neither of those faulty, but common, pieces of analysis.”

LMAO!

Posted September 19, 2013 9:01 pm 


Ray Ray

Always hard 2 compare greats from diff era’s. He’s def in the same breath as Louis, Robinson, Ali. Even beyond boxing he’s at the all time elite level….Jordan, Tiger, Federer etc If he can win a middleweight tittle he’ll b the best ever…..lightweight, welterweight, middleweight how many guys have done that….they’ll b lots of pressure on Sergio 2 stop this happening.

Posted September 19, 2013 8:54 pm 


big moe

Floyd needs manny to make what kind of money? floyds up front money is way more than what pac even with pay per view revenue. But arum gets a chunk of that too. Eat it haters.

Posted September 19, 2013 8:13 pm 


The Prince

Even European boxing fans for the most part rank Floyd Mayweather Jr. above Joe Calzaghe. And even if Floyd lost during his last four fights of his career, he’ll still be ranked about Calzaghe overall.

Posted September 19, 2013 8:06 pm 


amoe

Yall want mw to lose so bad, but yall will miss him when he is gone.

Posted September 19, 2013 7:45 pm 


TARK

Oso peligroso.., Forget Ward. Ward was not in Calzaghe’s time.

But Ward beat a more experienced Kessler a lot easier than Calzaghe beat him. And Ward did it as a big underdog when he had only 20 fights. Ward beat Kessler with great ease, which is what I expected.

Calzaghe wouldn’t fight the best fighters of his day — Carl Froch, who called Calzaghe out for years… Glen Johnson, after he KO’d Roy Jones. He signed for a fight with Calzaghe, the fight was postponed 3 times and then killed by JC… Antonio Tarver, who called out Calzaghe when he had the title… Chad Dawson, who held a LHW Title and called out JC to unify after Joe beat the washed up Roy Jones.

Posted September 19, 2013 7:44 pm 


Oso peligroso

Calzaghe should have come back to fight Ward.by not doing so he is only slightly better than Maywather

Posted September 19, 2013 7:24 pm 


david d.

Not to mention, that a boxer isn’t considered “the greatest” or unbeatable until after they retire….Joe Calzaghe, whom I’m a fan of, retired undefeated. And he was openly critized by many American fans, for beating lesser than worthy opponents. Yet, he destroyed the “next coming” Lacy, and toyed with and put to rest, the other “greatest boxer ever” Roy Jones Jr, and oh yeah, schooled the “master” B-Hop. So, lets see if FMJ can navigate the rest of his short career and protect his zero.

Posted September 19, 2013 7:14 pm 


david d.

The over all level of opposition during FMJ’s era pales in comparison to all the greats mentioned in this article….Hopkins is too politically correct with his opinions these days. FMJ versus any boxer/fighter in their prime, from the 70′s and 80′s, at 135lbs to 147lbs alone, would’ve beaten him; Duran, Pryor, Benetiz, Leonard ( who stopped FMS), Cervantes, Hearns, Whitaker, Taylor, Starlon, D.Curry, Breland, and on and on the list goes………………

Posted September 19, 2013 7:03 pm 


Oso peligroso

Tark so who ya got between GGG and PBF at 154?

Oh and what are your training fees ?

Posted September 19, 2013 6:57 pm 


TARK

Sredmond says.., “GGG has the same chance that Chavez Jr, Quillin, Murray and Barker have.”

Chavez Jr can’t box.. Quillin is not fluid enough and really has no jab to speak of.. Murray is a big strong tough kid, but very raw.. Barker is nowhere…I don’t even think he won his last fight.

Golovkin is the real deal.. He can box, punch, defend, move, feint you out of your strap … and crush you with a single shot.

And Sredmond… You’re the man who was so confident Peterson was going to outbox Matthysse and started chortling, “This is going to be fun.” … You also said Matthysse was going to KO Garcia.

I made neither of those faulty, but common, pieces of analysis.

Posted September 19, 2013 6:41 pm 


maracho

Boxtaadamus, not real champions but the power to choose from a multitude of belts that are often just vacant racketeering jobs.

For instance Canelo won a vacant WBC title from some Mathew Hatton and then a vacant WBA title from Trout who won it from Canelo’s brother Rigoberto Alvarez.

….and the 1%er hype lobby goes on and on while certain Sheople oo and ah on par to the WWF

Posted September 19, 2013 6:35 pm 


VINMAN

BORING! How can Floyd be the greatest when he hasn’t been, fighter of the decade or the best fighter in his weight division? Vivek, put down whatever is you been smokin and realize that Floyd is the greatest fighter who has never been. History won’t be on your side the damage is done no way that Floyd can be considered greatest when he DUCKED the 2 biggest
challenges of his career, well, lol, retired or my favorite “going to change boxing with Olympic style and random blood testing. How’s that working out. Don’t get me wrong I don’t think Floyd is a loser or that he’s not exceptional fighter, he is. Unfortunately, he has been unwilling to prove it in the ring. So, long after Mayweather is gone and future conversations about all time great come up “The Sugars, Ali’s” and other greats are being discussed Floyd will be right there with Joe Calazhgi, undefeated fighters who’s masterful match making exceeded their willingness to fight the best.

Posted September 19, 2013 6:28 pm 


Hecdog

TOOSALTY, I had picked Garcia, Molina and Mayweather. I’m not saying Mayweather has to fight GGG at all. It’s up to him if he wants to fight a naturally bigger guy in a heavier weight class. Even though he tells everyone that skills pay bills. He can fight Khan, Garcia, Cotto, Matthysse and make good money, but they offer no challenge at all. If he really wants to test himself as he always says, that would be the most intriguing fight of all, and IMO, he would get beat. GGG would be his limit.

Posted September 19, 2013 6:27 pm 


Poochy

Floyd has cherry picked his way through the divisions.

Posted September 19, 2013 6:24 pm 


maracho

Actually GGG has been campaigning from 154 to 168

Posted September 19, 2013 6:19 pm 


maracho

Exactly Johny plus the fact that all the rules and weight classes suddenly change so Mayweather can “APPEAR” to be justly defending these racketeered Jr. Middle Weight titles while all the real best languish on the sidelines.

Sredmon, In other words, why satisfy any detractors when there’s opium for the sheople ?

Posted September 19, 2013 6:18 pm 


SREDMOND

Fight Aficianado, you are slipping Rigo and Donaire are in the same division they are with the same promoter… GGG is an HBO fighter who boxes 2 divisions above where Floyd campaigns… There is no correlation or natural synergy… Square Peg in a round hole..

Posted September 19, 2013 6:14 pm 


Boxtradamus

Floyd is the GOAT. 10 CHAMPS in his last 12 Fights. 5 Top 10 P4P opponents SPANKED in his last 7 Fights. GREATEST Compubox stats in the ENTIRE History of Boxing. #1 @ WW and Jr MW at the SAME DAMN TIME at 36 yrs old and #1 in the ENTIRE Sport TOO. WOW! !!! No one you name can match it.

Posted September 19, 2013 6:13 pm 


Johnny rosin

Yep Maracho and its obvious by what happened with Judge CJ Ross. I mean Golden Boy rips off fighters left and right including own but when negativity happens to their cash cow, heads are gonna role

Posted September 19, 2013 6:02 pm 


PEEJ

I like that fight. GGG and Quillen would be a great fight. GGGwould definitely bring some fire power. Great fight

Posted September 19, 2013 5:58 pm 


SREDMOND

Why would an aging fighter seek to physically disadvantage himself in order to please his detractors??? Many on here said he would NEVER face Canelo and if he did he would be smashed (Bears) Tark is a backtracked he was giving Alvarez a GOOD shot till after the fight…The new campaign is to recruit MW’s because the best JR Middle out there was turned into a motivated sparring partner…Those that’s dont like Mayweather KNOW tat against a comparably sized fighter his skills pretty much place him beyond the scope of a loss…What’s GGG gonna do? Outbox Floyd in the middle of the ring? Not a fcking chance the hope is that a guy at MW with a big punch can do a disproportionate amount of damage on a smaller boxer GGG has the same chance that Chavez Jr, Quillin, Murray and Barker have… They are bigger men used to taking bigger shots but their collective skills could not trouble FMJ for a second…Guys are hoping for a bodyshot KO from a guy who walks around 25-30 pounds heavier than Mayweather who tops out at 150….
This is just weak…. GGG has no chance of facing Mayweather and I simply love it!!

Posted September 19, 2013 5:55 pm 


maracho

No these days its not about the best its about perception drives toward the side winning side. Character has become less about independence and more aligned with what everyone else is doing. Perceptionalist hoarders like Espinoza, Greenberg, Scheafer, Hershman, Hayman, etc.. who are just hyping him like Hanna Montana and they will go any means including drugs, racketeering, paid off officials, biowarfare, etc…

Posted September 19, 2013 5:50 pm 


Tomato Can

GGG, is ready to fight anyone. No doubt about that. If his team wants a Mayweather fight, they better get to work, cause fighting on HBO, isn’t going to get it done. Fighting on HBO is going to get him a fight with Ward, or Stevenson, not Mayweather.

Posted September 19, 2013 5:46 pm 


Tomato Can

But nothing is even closet to being aligned for a Mayweather/GGG fight at this time. Only the fact that hardcore fans want to see it happen. That’s a start, but it’s far from happening. As it stands right now GGG is way behind the following fighters for a chance at a Mayweather fight: Khan, Alexander, Maidana, Thurman, Garcia, Matthysse, and even Molina, just to name a few.

Posted September 19, 2013 5:42 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“The amateur record does mean nothing in the pro ranks. Yes Rigo is an excellent fighter and took Nonito to school. What is your point?” – PEEJ, I’m comparing GGG’s more than 350 amateur fights with Rigondeaux’s 250 because both are well seasoned with skills that belie their low number of pro fights. I’m not saying all top amateurs are top pros. I’m saying GGG’s deep amateur background, technical skills and undefeated pro career make him dangerous. And Jr may have said he wanted GGG but when his fight was scheduled the opponent’s name was Brian Vera. What he says and what he does are not the same.

Posted September 19, 2013 5:41 pm 


Tomato Can

I’m sure Mayweather will campaign at what ever weight he feels most comfortable, and move out of that comfort zone for any relevant big fight. Why wouldn’t he? After all, isn’t that what fighters do? If GGG, is the guy everyone wants to see happen, the networks, promoters, and the fighters will work something out.

Posted September 19, 2013 5:31 pm 


TJ

TARK

Floyd has no desire to fight middleweights any more… But right after his De La Hoya victory Floyd looked hard at Jermain Taylor… Taylor obviously had an extremely porous defense… you could easily see everything JT threw… He wasn’t very clever or slick… He was tentative and cautious… He was undefeated… He held the middleweight title… The fight would have made Floyd a 6-Division World Champion.

Floyd thought he could punch holes in Taylor’s defense, score repeatedly spectacular fashion, and avoid just about everything Jermain threw back.

Roger and Floyd Sr didn’t like the matchup.., “He’s too big, tall, and strong” but I think Floyd would have taken the middleweight title easily at that time.

Posted September 19, 2013 5:10 pm

TARK, I SPOKE TO ROGER regarding FLOYD stepping up to 160lbs after the ODLH bout and he told me it was a step too far for FLOYD.

ROGER also told me they had had KHAN in their gym around the time RICKY HATTON was fighting JUAN LAZCANO and has kept tips on him ever since…. ROGER had even considered training him!!!!!!

Posted September 19, 2013 5:29 pm 


Bulawayo2

All this crap about weights, he can’t make this weight and so on.
Boxing is pretty simple when it comes to this, 147lbs welter, jnr middle 155lbs and so on.
So if GGG can get to 154 why shouldn’t he fight for that title, why should he put on an extra eight pounds to fight Ward, if Ward wants him that badly fight him at 160.
Nobody asked Mayweather to go to Jnr Middle and compete but he did, so stop whining when Golovkin wants to fight at that weight.
Nobody is suggesting Mayweather fight GGG at 160, but if he’s the champ at that weight he should at least defend it, or what was the point?

Posted September 19, 2013 5:24 pm 


Tomato Can

There’s always a great hope out there to beat this guy or that guy, as soon as the guy in question wins a big fight. Let little May’s victory soak in a while. He’s not fighting for 8 months anyway. A lot can happen between now and then.

Posted September 19, 2013 5:20 pm 


Tomato Can

Mayweather should just stay at 147, like Sr. has already stated. If these big fighters want to prove their skill against him, they need to come on down, just like if the 140 pounders want to they need to come on up. Mayweather is the established fighter here. He’s currently the most established fighters out there, which means he doesn’t have to chaise every Jonny Come Lately, they need to come to him. GGG, may be the next great. And once he is the next great fighters will be following him for a fight, not the other way around. ONce again Mayweather is good enough to beat bigger fighters, but it’s perfectly acceptable for him to remain at 147, a weight he walks around 3 pounds north of, and take on all comers.

Posted September 19, 2013 5:17 pm 


TARK

Floyd has no desire to fight middleweights any more… But right after his De La Hoya victory Floyd looked hard at Jermain Taylor… Taylor obviously had an extremely porous defense… you could easily see everything JT threw… He wasn’t very clever or slick… He was tentative and cautious… He was undefeated… He held the middleweight title… The fight would have made Floyd a 6-Division World Champion.

Floyd thought he could punch holes in Taylor’s defense, score repeatedly spectacular fashion, and avoid just about everything Jermain threw back.

Roger and Floyd Sr didn’t like the matchup.., “He’s too big, tall, and strong” but I think Floyd would have taken the middleweight title easily at that time.

Posted September 19, 2013 5:10 pm 


TARK

I thought asking for Canelo to come down in weight was a brilliant move.

Posted September 19, 2013 5:09 pm 


Bulawayo2

So we now have a Junior Middleweight champion in Mayweather that in all probability will not defend that title. If Golovkin does make 154 you can bet the house that Mayweather will relinquish those titles than fight the dreaded GGG.
Golovkin would not have any weight drained problems as he would stop Mayweather easily and early.
As for Golovkin not being good box office, that’s just another excuse to avoid him.
Should Mayweather step up to the plate it would be an enormous pay per view fight. Most people watch Floyd hoping to see him beaten, Golovkin will do exactly that.

Posted September 19, 2013 5:08 pm 


Old Yank

PEEJ — GGG looks natural at 160. Arum made a dumb move pitting Pavlik against Hopkins in a non-title bout at the catch weight of 170. Pavlik was the middleweight champ; he had no business at 170! The bout DESTROYED Pavlik’s mental state — he never recovered.

In my opinion Quillan is the obvious next fight for GGG — let the “new” guys on the block sort out who shoul dbe facing Martinez. Peter Quillan is fighting October 26th and GGG is fighting November 11th. They appear to be on-cycle to recover from their matches and face each other next (presuming they both win — which I predict they will).

Posted September 19, 2013 5:06 pm 


PEEJ

GGGs team has already said they are not moving to 168 anytime soon. So 168 for the time being is out of the question. And they need to prove they can make 154 before saying they can fight at 154. They could of fought Rosado at 154, they tried to make a catchweight fight and Rosado said no catch weight, we can fight at 160. Why didn’t he fight him at 154?

Posted September 19, 2013 4:56 pm 


The Prince

You know a fighter is great when the detractors have nothing to use, so they say the fighter must beat competition far above his weight division. I don’t remember anyone saying Leonard had to fight at Light Heavyweight to prove himself. The same goes for Oscar, Mosley, Toney, Jones etc. Those guys moved up and down because they wanted to. But none of their critics were demanding they had to fight mismatched bouts to prove their greatest after they already won titles in their comfort zones. Even the detractors are proving Mayweather’s greatness.

Posted September 19, 2013 4:54 pm 


Old Yank

toosalty — A difference exists between DEFENDING a fighter being called SH8T who has graduated from being a prospect and HYPING him. GGG has made it clear that he feels ready for anyone from 154 to 168 and has essentially publically said so. The best match-makers in the business are having difficulties finding takers with marquee names. I just want to see the young man fight – and it sure looks like I’m going to be forced to wait to see him fight the best. It ain’t hype – it’s deduction via observation and defending a guy who can’t catch a break. C’mon, Curtis Stevens???? How the hell can GGG show us what he made of if the guys you need to see him fight can’t be found within 10 feet of the guy? The guy wants a shot; he’s paid his dues; fans want to see more of him. It ain’t hype. It’s a plea to get a chance to see if there is more there. Are you going to claim that he’s not interesting enough to find out?

Posted September 19, 2013 4:53 pm 


toosalty

Hecdog

PLZZ stop, dude GGG is huge compared to FM, why do you want to even see that fight. You are saying the same stuff you said about Canelo, and Lucas Matthysse. You should be talking about GGG against AW (SOG) not a too small FM. D@M son what are you thinking. IM going on record right now and say GGG is another BUM, just come straight forward with now boxing skills. He will loos against some one who can punch a bit, and box, the same as how Danny Garcia whooped Lucas Matthysse, a boxer 1st puncher 2nd.

Posted September 19, 2013 4:41 pm 


dtoyS

Nobody in the Welterweight div. especially the jr. Welterweight div. have a chance with Floyd who with ease could handle a 172 pounds Canelo….Floyd needs to move up in weight and take on Trout, GGG and Ward.

Posted September 19, 2013 4:37 pm 


Hecdog

GGG is the real deal. He knows how to fight, takes a good punch, has great stamina and will be in your face all night long if you can’t handle the heat, He’s a very experienced amateur. more than just experienced. Floyd Mayweather doesn’t want any part of him trust me. If they make the fight and Floyd doesn’t do his usual catch weight stuff, Floyd gets stopped. Trust me on this. GGG has the style to beat Floyd.

Posted September 19, 2013 4:35 pm 


TARK

Old Yank.., What do you mean disrepect??? It’s not disrespectful to tell the truth… Armstrong lost 10 times in his first 10 years as a pro.

He was a great offensive boxer who couldn’t defend well — and has that in common with many boxers throughout the history of the game. Eventually they meet a busy and masterful boxer who stabs and bats their ears off.

Jack Dempsey comes to mind.

Posted September 19, 2013 4:34 pm 


toosalty

Im going on the record right now and say GGG is a good “C” class bum. He would be a bum compared to Ward etc. A good healthy Martinez would beat him.

Posted September 19, 2013 4:32 pm 


Old Yank

Jr. is taking a step backwards and fighting Vera. Here is my prediction for the bout: Jr. fails to make weight!

Posted September 19, 2013 4:31 pm 


PEEJ

The amateur record does mean nothing in the pro ranks. Yes Rigo is an excellent fighter and took Nonito to school. What is your point? He just happens to be that good. So based on that your saying every amateur that has a really good record has become a great pro fighter or a really good pro fighter then? And Chavez did say he wanted to fight GGG. He said he would fight him. And all this well he whooped him in sparring. That really means nothing. First off it is sparring. Also when did they spar, was one fighter closer to his fight and the other fighter just getting into camp? If so then the fighter closer to his fight is gonna look pretty good. Where they just working on something? If so then the fighter that is going balls to the wall while the other fighter is working on something is going to look pretty good.

Posted September 19, 2013 4:26 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“Chavez Jr already said he wanted to fight GGG. The amateur record really means nothing.” – Who’s Jr fighting again? Tell Donaire the amateur record means nothing. Rigondeaux had something to say about that.

Posted September 19, 2013 4:18 pm 


rax

urone2 – thank you mate, you are the only person i’ve come across that is calling GGG as he is. i’ve followed Golovkin since 2001 when i watched him beat daniel geale in osaka. he is a huge talent but as a pro has done absolutely nothing. beating blown up jnr middles like rosado and feather fisted ishida. and he beats macklin and people carry on like he beat someone who wasnt knocked out by jamie moore (who? exactly!!!) i’ve been saying the same as you why should floyd fight a middleweight – and make no mistake GGG can’t make 154 he never has and he stopped fighting at welter in the amos over 10 years ago, so a floyd fight vs GGG would be at no less than 157 or 158 – but like you, i still think floyd would win. so now i want the fight to happen, GGG has fought no one close to floyd elusiveness

Posted September 19, 2013 4:18 pm 


Old Yank

Really TARK, it’s disrespect Armstrong day today for you? Remind me again who Mayweather fought for the welterweight title when he weighed 133 1/2 the day of the bout.

Posted September 19, 2013 4:17 pm 


TARK

This is true.., Everybody knew Martinez was going to outclass and outbox Chavez Jr … Chavez’s corner just hoped age would catch up to Martinez and they could stop him late — like Maxim stopped Robinson.

Posted September 19, 2013 4:17 pm 


Hugh Jardon

Best article on here for a long time, great work

Posted September 19, 2013 4:13 pm 


Old Yank

Let’s get real! Chavez called out GGG like a punk shouting out his mommy’s window. NO! GGG is not going to roll over to some 40/60 split just because Chacez’s daddy is shouting from ringside.

Korobov is on the Chavez undercard for a reason. Why? Because Chavez is NOT getting within 10 feet of GGG anytime soon.

Posted September 19, 2013 4:08 pm 


PEEJ

Yeah but Mitchell never really looked good in some of those fights. GGG actually looks good in his fights.

Posted September 19, 2013 4:01 pm 


TARK

You know Seth Mitchell is a great athlete… He’s big, strong, fast, and powerful… He looked great for 25 fights…

That’s because nobody punched back and he didn’t have to defend himself.

Posted September 19, 2013 3:48 pm 


Congratulations You’ve Won A Prize

Most retard poster award goes to

And we have a winner folks

It’s a two way tie between

PEEJ and SREDMOND

Posted September 19, 2013 3:47 pm 


PEEJ

i won’t argue with you on that but but he still has said he would fight him.

Posted September 19, 2013 3:46 pm 


TARK

Before you say “Henry Armstrong” let me remind you of something.

Armstrong was beaten 10 times in his first 10 years as a boxer. He was a great puncher, but when he stopped throwing he had many of the same problems Khan, Frazier, Matthysse, Darchinyan, Mares, and many other great offensive fighters had … he could’t defend well.

Posted September 19, 2013 3:43 pm 


Public Enemy

PEEJ – Chavez Jr. comes into his fights weighing over 182lbs so he believes he’ll have that weight advantage against his opponents.. make it a same day weighin situation and we’ll see how long Chavez Jr. lasts… and I’ll believe it when I see it regarding him fighting GGG.. he did chose the very Dangerous Brian Vera????

Posted September 19, 2013 3:42 pm 


SREDMOND

Martinez is an aging fighter I can see him being desperate to cash in GGG should be focused on becoming the MW Boss as opposed to lusting after Floyd Mayweather.. He has NO SHOT of getting the bout he’s too big, too unknown and too unaccomplished…Sorry Gennady!

Posted September 19, 2013 3:41 pm 


PEEJ

Chavez Jr already said he wanted to fight GGG. The amateur record really means nothing. I mean that is all great and all but that is not a pro record. I consider GGG to be the best at 160. I also agree Martinez doesn’t want to fight him because he has ran from any real threat in his weight division.

Posted September 19, 2013 3:31 pm 


TARK

Old Yank.., “Zivic, Armstrong, Gavilan, Angott, LaMotta, Basora, Turpin, Graziano, Olson, Maxim, Fullmer, Giardello, Archer, Basilio.”

LMFAO.. Basora??? WOW! What an ATG he was. His legend lives on.

Funny thing.., Not one of the fighters on your list was a great boxer-puncher.

Not one of the fighters on your list had anywhere close to the combined boxing and punching abilities of Rigondeaux, Kovalev, or Golovkin.

Not one of the fighters on your list were as good as the ATG’s Sugar Ray Robinson is known for ducking — such as Charley Burley and Archie Moore.

Not one of the fighters on your list is as great as Miguel Cotto or Juan Manuel Marquez — who won World Championships in 3 and 4 weight divisions respectively… Robinson’s record was a little thin compared to Floyd Mayweather Jr’s.

Posted September 19, 2013 3:29 pm 


SREDMOND

That amateur record means nothing he’s almost 30 fights into his pro career, Martinez has fought the guys he was supposed to and is injured, If GGG keeps campaigning at 160 the shots will come against the Quillins etc but going down to 154 trying to blow FMJ is gonna do what for his MW legacy… All these fighters say “everyone’s ducking me” GGG is no different let him pay his dues and build up his fans the MW division will give him opportunities…

Posted September 19, 2013 3:27 pm 


SREDMOND

GGG is the latest construct, Martinez made his opportunities against Paul Williams and Pavlik who is Golovkin after???? A super rich WW who made a trip to 152 to collect 41.5 mill…. When is GGG gonna book a win that gets him on the map? Who’s his next opponent again? Macklin was a start but his focus should be on 160 or a second tier player at 168 if he wants to impress… Mayweathers next bout is at 147 bet on that… He has NEVER fought consecutive fights at 154 because its not his best division… So what’s GGG gonna do in the meantime?????

Posted September 19, 2013 3:24 pm 


Old Yank

SREDMOND — GGG’s amateur success of 345-5 with an Olympic medal in his hands, plus a 27-0 pro record (and ranked by virtually every site in the top 3 at middleweight), makes you look foolish!

Martinez is ducking him. Quillan and Chavez won’t come within 10 feet of him.

He ABSOLUTELY is the real thing!

Posted September 19, 2013 3:23 pm 


Public Enemy

and Rocky Balboa was greater then Rocky Marciano… LOL

Posted September 19, 2013 3:18 pm 


SREDMOND

Old Yank, you mentioned his best names, but my question stands of the 91 straight wins how many were part time fighters or Tomato Cans? I’m not saying Rays not the man but these OLD. Fighters with 1 billion fights have to be scrutinized… Floyd and Canelos record on paper was numerically similar yet the quality gap was obvious to an astute boxing fan…Just like GGG is nothing special knocking out sub world class boxers… We have see these sorts before time for him to step up… Facing Floyd would be a step up in skill beyond anything he’s ever known but what about a hard hitting 160 pounder who can actually hurt him? Too much to ask?

Posted September 19, 2013 3:17 pm 


Public Enemy

Ok so PBF was greater then Ali and more feared the Mike Tyson, so next we’ll hear that Justin beiber was better then Elvis and Brittany a better singer then Diana Ross, ..PEOPLE WAKEDAFKUP.. YOU”RE SPENDING TOO MUCH TIME on FACEBOOK, TWEETING and INSTAGRAM.. your little Brains are shriviling up…

Posted September 19, 2013 3:16 pm 


EZ E

OLD YANK You do make valid points BUT.. to already consider GGG THEE MOST ‘DUCKED’ FIGHTER is jumping the gun a bit. WHO/WHICH fighters/duckers are you referring to?? Maybe you know something I don’t. It’s quite possible some ‘name’ fighters won’t fight or risk because a fight with GGG isn’t quite worth it economically just yet, But ‘most ducked’?? Sure he’s a solid “Johnny Come Lately” fighter but time will after he cleans an ELITE or two of his division.

Posted September 19, 2013 3:15 pm 


SREDMOND

Swedish Boxing Fan, Floyds the Champ at 147 and 154 he is boxing at this point…. Everyone wants to face him… His purses demand the bouts sell at this point… There are no Ishe Smiths, Molinas or GGG’s in his future the have NO FANS… FMJ is gonna fight out his string then retire leaving the sport on its ear and searching for a fighter like him for DECADES if you think it’s the plodding Golovkin you’re CRAZY….!!!

Posted September 19, 2013 3:10 pm 


Old Yank

Again and again and again, these all-time great comparisons are worse than apples and oranges – they are one part fantasy and one part grilling a time-marinated mix of myth, legacy and more in the crucible of history.

Posted September 19, 2013 3:09 pm 


PEEJ

The Lineal is the undisputed. For example, Oscar was the undisputed champ at 147, can’t remember who he won it from but then he fought Mosley, Mosley won and became the undisputed champ, he fought Forrest, Forrest had a title that was stripped from someone, he won and he became undisputed, he lost that to Mayorga who lost to Spinks, who lost to Judah, who lost to Baldamier who lost to Mayweather. This day you are not able to hold all the belts at once. The WBC makes you chose. They where going to strip Canelo until he signed to fight Floyd and they weren’t gonna miss out on that money. But having all the belts means nothing, there are too many of them. The Ring Belt is the belt you want. Can’t be stripped and they don’t charge a sanctioning fee. Who ever has the ring belt is the Lineal Champ and that is what you want to become.

Posted September 19, 2013 3:09 pm 


SREDMOND

Old Yank, Rigondeauxs success does not justify every boxer jumping the line… If that’s the case Floyd should fight everyone who has a few pro wins and some drive..GGG has NO credentials at 154, Floyds most likely going back to 147 the only bouts he took at 154 we historically HUGE Cotto, ODH and Canelo… GGG can’t draw flies coming from 160 he has NOTHING going for him to get this shot… What other WW’s do you wanna see him fight??

Posted September 19, 2013 3:03 pm 


Swedish Boxing Fan

PEEJ – Sure it is more often nowdays that WBC, WBA, IBF or WBO strip the holder of the belt if they don’t fight there mandatory opponent BUT Floyd Mayweather Jr is not fine with that game play. Bernard Hopkins collected ALL FOUR major world title belts + the Ring lineal title 1 by 1 in his Middleweight years and was the 1st to have them all at same time and defend them. Mike Tyson did the same between 1986-1988 and conqerd all 3 heavyweight belts and Ring title. Roy Jones Jr, the belt master had almost all belts there was in PRO boxing in his Light heavyweight era. I mean Ring, WBC, WBA, IBF, IBO, IBA, NBA, WBF etc he took them all as his moto was back then “You have a belt, I will take it from you!”. Wladimir Klitschko and his bro haves all 4 major world titlöe belts as well. Floyd Mayweather Jr just dont want to go there. Now day’s the title belts is not worth what they once was BUT to become the ONLY champ you have to take out the other “champs” to prove you are the best in the weight class. Then mabey he don’t need to have them for years to come BUT conqer them once is necesary to be THE CHAMP. Floyd Mayweather Jr only walks with the WBC belts and now have the light middleweight WBC and WBA belts, great start so he only needs the IBF title from Ishe Smith and the WBO title and that should not be a problem from “Money” Mayweather Jr if he can offer his opponent a good deal the fights are on. BUT so far, not an undisputed champion, but the Lineal he is.

Posted September 19, 2013 3:03 pm 


PEEJ

The most ducked fighter is a tag given by promoters. Everyone says they are the most ducked fighters but yet they still get fights. Magacheato had that so called most feared fighter until Williams beat him. Williams had that same name given and he was KOd. So all of that is just talk. All he has to do is become a mandatory and he will get the fight by purse bid. If the other fighters don’t want to fight them then they have to give these terrible titles up and he can fight for the vacant ones. Public demand will force some fighters to fight. Now in Martinez case, well he hasn’t fought the best in his division ever so GGG is gonna have a tough time getting him in the ring. And it is one thing to have earned a title shot, it is another to earn a shot at Floyd who is the face of boxing and is someone that is going to give you your highest purse ever.

Posted September 19, 2013 3:03 pm 


Old Yank

And most of them MULTIPLE TIMES!

Posted September 19, 2013 3:01 pm 


Old Yank

SREDMOND — “Old Yank, and who was Robinson fighting?”

Perhaps one or more of these names will ring a bell for you: Zivic, Armstrong, Gavilan, Angott, LaMotta, Basora, Turpin, Graziano, Olson, Maxim, Fullmer, Giardello, Archer, Basilio…

Any of them ring a bell for you? One, two maybe…

Posted September 19, 2013 3:01 pm 


PEEJ

I am not gonna say Floyd is a power puncher because he isn’t. But he was able to take guys out from 140 and below on a regular basis. But that fact is you don’t have to be a power puncher to be considered an all time great. Floyd is an all time great fighter. His resume speaks to that. His champion ship belts speak to that. His rise in weight speaks to that. The higher you go, the less KOs you are going to have.

Posted September 19, 2013 2:59 pm 


SREDMOND

How many of Ray Robinsons opponents were full time fighters? Do we know this? Again I have no issue accepting Ray as the Gold Standard but Mayweathers been making HOF? World Class, and Mult-Weight Champions look terrible even as he becomes a Grandpa in boxing years… In order to find some jeopardy guys want him to go up another couple divisions when physically he’s not cracking 150 pounds the night of the fight… Sorry that matters and speaks to his Greatness… We have all heard about how Ray succumbed to Joey Maxim who I believe had 15 pounds in him …. Correct me if I’m wrong??? Meanwhile Floyd took Canelos 15 pounds and handed it back to him gift wrapped with a LOSS

Posted September 19, 2013 2:58 pm 


Sapphire

Its all talk anyway.

All of them are Great. Incredible what they have been able to achieve with their lives.

Hard Work is Hard Work.

I’m getting on that path.

Peace

Posted September 19, 2013 2:53 pm 


Old Yank

Fools also thought Rigondeaux with only 10 pro bouts should not jump the cue to any title shot. Who the “F” was he?

The STUPIDITY I’m reading here about GGG being unworthy of a championship bout is AMAZING!

He is now THE most ducked fighter in the sport – -BAR NONE!

Posted September 19, 2013 2:52 pm 


SREDMOND

Old Yank, and who was Robinson fighting? If you are fighting 2x per month how good we’re your opponents??? Also footage of Robinson is grainy at best… We are watching FMJ in HI DEF and able to see things clearly… I have no issue with SRR being considered the P4P best but Floyd Mayweather is proving that he can fight with anyone… The notion that any one WW fighter could blow him outta the ring is not sellable from where I sit…

Posted September 19, 2013 2:48 pm 


Sapphire

PEEJ

ALi wasn’t even known as a powerful puncher in his era but he could take guys out on occasion.

Floyd KO% below 147 was higher than what it is now.

One would expect him to do much better fighting fighters his own size (on fight-night) rather than trying to knock guys out bigger than him.

Ali was 6’3, 210+ fighting guys around his own natural size.

Posted September 19, 2013 2:48 pm 


Tomato Can

There will always be fans that feel Mayweather gets too much appreciation. I’ve seen many great fighters over the years. Some more powerful, faster, others better in the pocket and some just as slick and maybe even slicker. But in my humble opinion, Mayweather may be the most complete fighter I’ve ever seen. The fact that he’s always in shape has gives him an edge over most. His longevity speaks for its self. The fact that many are still trying to point out he’s a fraud after 15 years of holding titles says a lot. There’s no concrete evedence that Mayweather isn’t amoung the best ever, not that he is. But as he sits at home after another strong performance at age where those before him were all but done, what we all should agree on is that this guy has had a remarkable career. His next fight will be against someone younger, bigger and stronger, once again, and he’ll still be favored to win. He won’t show up fat, and out of shape. He won’t get flattened while leaping in, he won’t run out of gas late, he wont pull a muscle while throwing a punch, he’ll just win… Considering how many years Mayweather has been on the very top, that’s the best I’ve ever seen…

Posted September 19, 2013 2:47 pm 


Old Yank

Mayweather’s era is characterized by several weight divisions and aphabet soup titles that did not exist when Sugar Ray Robinson was fighting. Had super lightweight, junior middleweight and super middleweight divisions existed there is no telling how many titles Robinson might have held or how many title bouts he might have participated in.

Fourteen title bouts Mayweather fought were in weight classes that DID NOT EXIST when Sugar Ray Robinson was fighting.

Posted September 19, 2013 2:46 pm 


SREDMOND

Why would GGG beating Molina make him the man to beat at 154? Molina beat Ishe Smith who is not highly regarded… How about GGG vs Trout or Canelo? Those guys have more accolades at 154 than Molina who is hard luck case… Reality is that GGG does not deserve to jump the line he’s simply not a player at 154 and not tops at 160…. He’s just the latest boogeyman guys think can beat Mayweather coming from the 160 pound class..

Posted September 19, 2013 2:45 pm 


PEEJ

You don’t have to be a powerful puncher to be considered an all time great. Yall have been watching to much first take on ESPN.

Posted September 19, 2013 2:43 pm 


Old Yank

Look, Mayweather is amazing. But comparisons from one era to the next are difficult for obvious reasons.

Robinson had an undefeated streak of 91 bouts. Should we require Mayweather to match the feat before being allowed to be mentioned in the same sentence as Robinson?

Again and again and again, these all-time great comparisons are worse than apples and oranges – they are one part fantasy and one part grilling a time-marinated mix of myth, legacy and more in the crucible of history.

Posted September 19, 2013 2:41 pm 


Hecdog

Floyd is a very good boxer, and he needs to be given credit. His win over a young, inexperienced boxer like Canel Alvarez was a good win. How great is Floyd ? Hmm…Well, IMO, he is behind Duran, Leonard, Robinson, Roy Jones Jr., Ricardo Finito Lopez, Salvador Sanchez, (Prime Oscar De La hoya), Prime Shane Mosely, Kostya Tzyu, Felix Trinidad, Pernell Whitaker, Tommy Hearns, Carlos Monzon, Marvin Hagler, Wilfredo Benitez, Wilfredo Gomez and of course the legendary Manny Pacquiao. None of these legends played it safe. They challenged themselves. They beat guys at their own game. They were not afraid to fight even if they were better boxers than their opponents. Fighters like Duran, Leonard, Robinson wanted to dominate you. Mayweather would not dictate the style or pace of a fight with these guys. They had stamina in their prime for years. They could take a punch, fight you inside or outside, and they had a tremendous will to win. I’m talking about a Duran that was 72-0 before he lost his first fight. Robinson had a record of 85-5 as an amateur and was 173-19 with 108 KO’s as a professional. Forget Floyd’s unbeaten record. had he fought against these guys in their era, his unbeaten record would not have lasted. Leonard destroyed that shoulder roll stuff Floyd Sr. tried. These guys were busy fighting, always in shape and wanted to be the best. Losing a fight doesn’t necessarily make you any less of a great fighter. Taking on challenges like Roy Jones Jr, did moving up to heavyweight was incredible. Floyd beating all these old, small or inexperienced boxers isn’t something extraordinary. Floyd has beaten a great Diego Corrales and a very good Chicanito Hernandez, but the rest of his wins are just wins, nothing special. He avoided Manny Pacquiao, Oscar, Shane and Kostya in their prime. Yes, Floyd is a great money maker, but he’s low on the ladder when put in with truly great fighters.

Posted September 19, 2013 2:40 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, Pavlik was humiliated by Hopkins and his stock went down and stayed down… What big name fighter did he beat after Hopkins spanked and outspeed him at 44? Pascal and Cloud allowed an OLD man to make history off them… He took their belts which NO Champ should lightly regard….Bernard is a spoiler that makes guys look questionable in his aftermath

Posted September 19, 2013 2:39 pm 


Sapphire

Fritz

And neither moved up to face Floyd.

You can’t fight a man one division below you if they don’t move up unless you want Floyd to move down which is going to happen how?

He moved up after Chavez because he could no longer make the weight. \

Again, neither of them moved up. They ducked him if anything.

Posted September 19, 2013 2:37 pm 


Old Yank

wtf?

Posted September 19, 2013 2:36 pm 


maracho

The real fan plan to GOATness is simply for Floyd to finally fight the best from 140 to 154 before his last six fight contract is up, which can be at least partly determined via him fighting Garcia at 140 and the winner of Molina and Golovkin at 154.

Or Floyd can defend his title against Molina while Lara and GGG fight on the undercard. The winners fight each other next

Unfortunately the rematch clause of Garcia-Matthysse, only applied for Garcia (if he lost). Bradley and Marquez fight for HBO so Garcia is left with Mayweather and he beeter take it at 140

Posted September 19, 2013 2:35 pm 


Old Yank

test

test

Posted September 19, 2013 2:33 pm 


hullk

Was Duran really that much more dangerous than Cotto? Was Hagler that much stronger and smarter than Mosley?

You serious, author???

Posted September 19, 2013 2:32 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, who was older Tarver or Hopkins and who was the 3-1 underdog expected to lose because it was his first trip to 175 at the age of 41???? Hops is a spoiler and Tarver took a KD and got embarrassed…

Posted September 19, 2013 2:26 pm 


maracho

Sredmond, Kahy Duva tried her best to get Bernard to fight Kovalev but Scheafer said “he didn’t believe it would have much appeal to Showtime. We have been looking at historically significant fights,”

Posted September 19, 2013 2:20 pm 


SREDMOND

Camacho was NOT as smart a fighter as Mayweather, Tito was one dimensional even though it was a terrific dimension for a long time.. A 36 year old Hops gave him a boxing lesson the. Winky Wright beat him with the same punch all night, ODH was the first guy to make him look like a slugger with no plan B… Whitaker was sweet as hell but not a better boxer than Floyd Mayweather Jr…. At the end of the day Floyds still looking like a Prime fighter when these guys were losing… Why is that? Because his skills are on another level, the only guy in that convo who’s athletic talent was on par or Greater is Roy Jones who’s hand and foot speed was otherworldly…. Neither Tito, nor Camacho was the athlete Floyd is… Tito was
Outboxed on more than one occasion, he was getting knocked down by guys like Vargas and Mayorga despite his fight ending power…. No man can outbox Floyd Mayweather in the center of the ring and that includes Jesus in his prime…

Posted September 19, 2013 2:20 pm 


Rem

P.E, Fight Af. dead on. And these are guys who could’ve kept boxers %s as low as Floyd did but they took more risk in their fights against better fighters. This is the gimmick that continues to be Floyd Mayweather.

Posted September 19, 2013 2:12 pm 


Fritz

Saphire, Barrerra and Morrales were just one weight under Mayweather for years

Posted September 19, 2013 2:11 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“You guys think Floyd was a slicker boxer then Macho Camacho Sr. or Pernel Whittiker, Wilfredo Benitez? etc.. Better then a prime Roy Jones, Bernard Hopkins, James toney, Ali, more powerful then a Tito Trinidad, Chavez Sr. etc etc etc.. ROFLMAO.. stop drinking that KOOLAID it will rot your little brains…” – PE, agreed. I was thinking the same while reading this story. Floyd’s defense is comparable to what Whitaker did in the 90s, only he’s not faced the calibre of opponents Sweet Pea did. His offense isn’t very good which he’d need to be considered top 10 ATG. We can write off BHop’s absurd claim about Floyd being top 3 ATG since GBP has made bundles of cash promoting his fights for years. Not an “open mind” as the story implies.

Posted September 19, 2013 2:03 pm 


Anonymous

DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THE WORD UNDISPUTED THATS WHEN BOXING WAS GREAT.

Posted September 19, 2013 2:03 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Vivek may have thought this was a nail biter since he always frets about Floyd losing but I never did. Neither did the oddsmakers who posted Floyd as a 2.5/1 favorite. The only nailbiter was the odds on a Draw dropping from 22/1 to 8/1 in the two weeks before the fight. The fix was in but CJ Ross didn’t accomplish her goal.

Posted September 19, 2013 1:56 pm 


Jim Rich

I’d like to see mayweather take on Sergio Martinez, I know mayweather has a size disadvantage so he probably won’t risk it but I think that would really be a good fight. Forget Khan, or kirkland or other fighters that Mayweather is just going to dominate. If floyd is going to get 40 million per fight he better earn it or we shouldn’t support him fighting less than the best. He gets paid to much to have a cake walk everytime out. I as a boxing fan demand he take on someone who has a legit chance to beat him if he is going to make 40 million.

Posted September 19, 2013 1:56 pm 


SREDMOND

Fritz, Kovalevs people passed on a Hopkins bout, Hops has spoiled MORE young fighters that Roman Polanski has young girls… If that slugger lost to a 48 year old boxer he would be another guy struggling to explain his failure… (Pavlik, Tarver, Pascal, Cloud)…

Posted September 19, 2013 1:53 pm 


Rem

Ok so first lets see how Trout became rated so high he beat Cotto. Ok Cotto became a high ranked jmw by beating Forman and Mayorga lmao. So Cotto wasn’t a top jmw and Trouts win over him didn’t boost him to the #2 spot. And do i really need to go into Canelos pathetic resume of unranked wws he beat to position himself to be lineal jmw champ. All corrupt boxing politics to position popular boxers for manufactured tittles. Canelo doesn’t get to steer around Lara, Vanes, Molina, Angulo and Kirkland. This is not saying that Canelo can’t compete with them but he doesn’t get a free pass around them no sir the damn sport is watered down enough from that crap.

Posted September 19, 2013 1:51 pm 


JOEY

BEFORE LONG THESE HYPE”D UP LEGENDS WILL BE WEIGHING IN 5 DAYS BEFORE FIGHT TIME,AND FIGHTING ONCE EVERY TWO YEARS. BUT THE HYPE MACHINE WILL KEEP ROLLING.

Posted September 19, 2013 1:48 pm 


Get real

“Why is GGG avoiding Adonis Stevens @ 175″

Get real creates new ridiculous excuse. Golovkin has never said he would fight at 175.

Well done, Get real, now you have made yourself look like a total fool. Well done!

Im a fool trying to keep an idiot called Yuri company ..

Posted September 19, 2013 1:41 pm 


phat SO

Floyd is a joke

Posted September 19, 2013 1:41 pm 


moonshineman

Little Floyd couldn’t carry Pacquiao’s shoes.

Posted September 19, 2013 1:39 pm 


Anonymous

MAYWEATHER COULDN”T CARRY RAY ROBINSON”S SHOES.

Posted September 19, 2013 1:34 pm 


TARK

You can talk World Championship Rounds…

Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Sugar Ray Robinson fought a comparable number of World Championship Rounds but Floyd lost far fewer of those rounds in number and percentage.

Floyd is the only boxer in history to win World Championships in five weight divisions and remain undefeated… He is also the only world champion to beat 5 opponents who won world championships in 3 or more weight divisions…

Floyd is also the only world champion to beat 3 world champions who were undefeated in over 30 fights. If Floyd fights and defeats Danny Garcia, he’ll be then only world champion to beat 4 world champions who were undefeated in 25 or more fights.

Posted September 19, 2013 1:23 pm 


PEEJ

Trout and Canelo where ranked numbers 1 and 2 by the Ring ratings. And when they have the numbers 1 and 2 fight each other that determines who the champion is if there is none in that weight division.

Posted September 19, 2013 1:21 pm 


BRUCE

DONT FORGET MAYWEATHER HAS TO FIGHT THESE OTHER LEGENDS AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR,DONT KNOW HOW HE DOES IT.

Posted September 19, 2013 1:19 pm 


Sapphire

either way, can you risk money and time with fighters that haven’t made the 154 pound weight in how long?

What if they come in over weight? Cancel it? There goes one fight down the tubes. Considering the millions invested in Floyd and him fighting twice a year…that’s bad.

Posted September 19, 2013 1:18 pm 


Sapphire

Martinez is the way to go.

Posted September 19, 2013 1:17 pm 


Rem

Excuse me accepting 3Gs and Martinez….

Posted September 19, 2013 1:16 pm 


SREDMOND

Just to throw this out there… What will Floyd Mayweather gain by beating GGG? History at present is not gonna register Golovkin as a GREAT fighter… He is not the recognized MW Champ by Ring Mag, he is not the lineal anything, he brings no interest outside the hardcore that populate these threads, he is not Floyds mandatory, he holds no wins of note ate 154…. So what is he? He’s an up and coming slugger who NEEDS Floyd Mayweather for a payday and exposure… Floyd fought the TOP Jr MW’s in the World weighing 150 pounds… Dismissing his opponents even as he moves towards 40 as “Bums” is like a second job to some…Even the Great Maqruez had to suffer devaluation temporarily because Mayweather beat him 12-0…. AFTER Floyd Marquez recorded his 2 best efforts against the Fighter of the Decade including a bone crushing KO…. Again resistance is futile Floyd Mayweather is a modern legend of the sport and ATG thank ranks amongst the best ever… At 36 Leonard, Hearns and Duran would have been humiliated by the 36 year old version of Mayweather… He’s that Great

Posted September 19, 2013 1:16 pm 


Rem

I beg of someone to please explain to me how Canelo became the lineal jmw champ. It certainly wasn’t by beating Trout who was in his 2nd televised bout when he fought Canelo ROTF….Floyd being the lineal jmw champ the best joke I’ve heard in a while. And if you label him the lineal jmw champ you put him in a position to be criticized for not excepting 3Gs and Martinez challenge at 54 both men easily make the weight. No need to step up to that level of comp. though he’ll have his hands plenty full with the real lineal jmw champ Lara.

Posted September 19, 2013 1:15 pm 


PEEJ

Hopkins accepted GGG challenge at a catchweight and his team said no they are staying at 160. When Murat had visa problems they where gonna fight Kovalev and offered to fight him but he said he was going in another direction. Not sure what happened but after his mandatory Hopkins said he would fight him. So we will see what happens.

Posted September 19, 2013 1:11 pm 


PEEJ

I know its hard for you Yuri because my boxing IQ eclipses any knowledge that you have but unfortunately you have to just deal with it.

Posted September 19, 2013 1:09 pm 


PEEJ

If he wanted to fight anybody at 154 then why did he have Rosado fight him at 160. Even before that it was gonna be a catchweight fight. Why didn’t he say I will fight you at 154?

Posted September 19, 2013 1:08 pm 


TARK

Old Yank says.., “I CAN tell you how Sugar Ray Robinson fared over 200 bouts and 1,400 rounds.”

So can I…

Archie Moore was older than Ray Robinson, and fought more rounds than Robinson—but Ray Robinson refused to fight Archie Moore.

At the time Sugar Ray Robinson selected Ralph Jones as an opponent—Jones lost his five (5) previous fights. However Jones gave Robinson a comprehensive beating.

Jones beat Robinson so badly Robinson didn’t want a rematch.

Joey Maxim was slow and couldn’t punch. Joey lost many fights—including losing all 8 fights he had with Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore. Robinson never fought ANY boxer-punchers as great as Ezzard Charles or Archie Moore in his entire life. Robinson also refused to fight Charley Burley.

But Robinson DID agree to fight the slow and soft punching Joey Maxim. It was a hot night when they fought. Maxim did an intelligent job preserving his gas tank in the heat. Robinson did a rather poor job and couldn’t finish. Robinson was stopped and lost the fight. You can watch it on YouTube.com.

Robinson didn’t want a rematch.

Posted September 19, 2013 1:08 pm 


Sapphire

Fritz

He was having issues with the weight so he moved up to test the waters.

Morales and MAB aren’t beating Floyd. He was way to good at those weights.

Now if Floyd had been able to magically grow into the WW division way back and had fought a Peak Shane, Oscar and Vernon, YEAH, those fights would have been great competition.

Posted September 19, 2013 1:07 pm 


Fritz

Yeah Bernard knows Golavkin and Kovalev called him out but he’s ducking via some no name Murot

Posted September 19, 2013 1:07 pm 


Hidalgo

Nice article, Vivek.

Posted September 19, 2013 1:05 pm 


Fritz

Morales should never have moved above super featherweight to fight Raheem, Diaz, etc..

Posted September 19, 2013 1:04 pm 


Yuri

PEE BRAIN

Golovkin want to fight ANYONE at 154 not just Mayweather.

Mayweather is World Champion at 154.

I know this is hard for you to understand because you are idiot.

Nothing you say will change this.

Nothing I say to you will change this.

You are total idiot.

Posted September 19, 2013 1:03 pm 


PEEJ

Ahhh the good old post interview after the fight. What did you expect him to day. After that his team said they are not moving up anytime soon. They are going to stay at 160 for a bit.

Posted September 19, 2013 12:58 pm 


PEEJ

Lol so it is ok to call out Mayweather who is a weight class below GGG, but it is not ok to to expect GGG to go up and fight bigger guys.

Posted September 19, 2013 12:57 pm 


Sapphire

Morales couldn’t even beat Raheem; how is he going to beat Floyd?

MAB is going to do anything with Floyd.

The best fighters for Floyd to have been given the toughest test were a peak Oscar, Shane, Forrest, etc. at WW when Floyd was smaller. Other than that, nobody…except when injured.

Posted September 19, 2013 12:48 pm 


Sapphire

Fritz

Why did they never move up to face Floyd?

Where were Morales and MAB during that time?

What year could they have fought considering Floyd wasn’t going to be able to make weight after Chavez?

Posted September 19, 2013 12:47 pm 


BRUCE

PUBLIC ENEMY. BANG ON SON.

Posted September 19, 2013 12:43 pm 


PEEJ

Swedish Boxing Fan you are wrong. He was the undisputed champ at 130, 135, 147 and now 154. You can’t have all the belts because they make you chose which belt you want to keep and if you don’t chose theirs then they strip you of it. You can’t be stripped of the Ring Championship Belt.

Posted September 19, 2013 12:42 pm 


Yuri

Get real

“Why is GGG avoiding Adonis Stevens @ 175″

Get real creates new ridiculous excuse. Golovkin has never said he would fight at 175.

Well done, Get real, now you have made yourself look like a total fool. Well done!

Posted September 19, 2013 12:41 pm 


PEEJ

And I already proved your small middleweight theory. But since you are still sticking to that, Floyd is a small WW who can easily make Jr WW.

Posted September 19, 2013 12:39 pm 


PEEJ

Nope they are facts. DiBella said he would have to cut off a limb to make 154, that is why we are making the rematch with Williams at a catch weight of 157. That is fact, no lies. GGG has never made 154, look it up. That is fact. Nobody knows if they can make 154. That is fact. If he had made it in his pro career then I would think he could make it but until then I will stick to he is fighting at 160.

Posted September 19, 2013 12:38 pm 


Fritz

Saphire, Moirales and Barrera wanted a piece of everybody.

Moreover, Oscar was fighting at Jr. Middleweight so waaay of base

Posted September 19, 2013 12:36 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

“GGG has never fought at 154 so nobody knows if he can even make 154. Martinez can’t make 154, he has already said that and that is why the rematch with Williams was at 157. ”

More LIES and misinformation from Bee-J! Maravilla is a natural 154lbs and just moved up to MW a few years ago. Fact! 3G weighs less on Fight Nights than most of the top 154lbs fighters. Fact! What do these facts tell you, smart guys???

1) That Maravilla has been begging for a fight with FMJ at 154lbs for years now, but he has been avoided like the plague, time and time again.

2) That 3G can easily make weight at 154lbs, because he’s a small MW, and that’s why Team GGG has been challenging the Top Jr. MWs (including FMJ) for close to two years now. Team 3G would not be calling out the top champions from 154lbs to 168lbs if they weren’t dead serious about making weights. This is not an overpaid prima-donna fighter who’s trying to do undefeated. He’s a throwback fighter, unlike FMJ, who wants to fight the very best in the world.

For a guy who claims to be Mexican and Italian, Bee-J is definitely the biggest FMJ cum-guzzlin’ fan-boy on ESB — along with SREDMOND/Public Emena/Supreme Clown. But your thinly veiled disguise does not fool me, son. More like you wish you were Mexican and Italian instead of just a typical simian-faced Chango boy.

IF FMJ is as great you claim, why are you so terrified of your hero facing the very best at 154lbs??? And why don’t you want to see him fight PacMan, Broner and Garcia at WW??? Because you clowns aren’t REAL fight fans who want to see the best fight the best, win or lose. The only thing you care about is protecting FMJ’s precious “O” which is total B.S. anyway because he already lost his first fight to Castillo. You want me to HIT you with the CompuBox stats again that prove beyond any reasonable doubt that FMJ lost that fight???

Case in point, Ken Norton beat Ali all three times, but was only given credit for one win and was ROBBBED twice. But at least back in the day, REAL champions had the courage to fight the best — and that’s a lot more than we can say about this prima-donna FMJ. Real talk.

Posted September 19, 2013 12:35 pm 


Old Yank

PEEJ — Mayweather looks great to me. But even today’s fighters who see Mayweather as great as Robinson put on their pants on one leg at a time.

Sugar Ray Robinson fought 200 bouts. He fought 1,401 rounds.

Anything can happen in boxing and when all-time greats from the past found themselves fighting 1,474 rounds like Moore did, or 1,619 rounds over 299 bouts like Greb did, or 1,955 rounds in 241 bouts like Willie Pep did, the odds of “anything” happening are quantum leaps ahead of Mayweather’s chances of “anything” happening.

Add to the mix organized crime fixing bouts – robbing fighters of bouts they likely would have won – and the comparison game becomes increasingly difficult.

Mayweather has fought 339 rounds over 45 bouts. If his last 4 bouts of his career last 12 rounds, he will end his career fighting 387 rounds over 49 bouts.

Attempting to divine who is THE all-time great P4P to ever live is fraught with uncertainty. No one can know what would happen to Mayweather over 200 bouts and 1,400 rounds — no one. But I CAN tell you how Sugar Ray Robinson fared over 200 bouts and 1,400 rounds.

So we KNOW what Pep could accomplish over nearly 2,000 rounds. We KNOW what Armstrong could accomplish over 181 bouts.

We do not have anything but fantasy to work with in guessing how Mayweather would have fared in a different era.

Posted September 19, 2013 12:34 pm 


Public Enemy

The main difference between the old school Great fighters and todays crop of Primmadonnas gone Hollywood is that in the old days it was all about being the best and fighting the best.. in todays world of Social Media, Fakebook and Nonstop Cable TV it’s all about who makes the most money and who has the nicest toys… no matter how many top fights you avoid..

Posted September 19, 2013 12:34 pm 


Sapphire

Floyd’s not the greatest though. There hasn’t been enough competition against certain attributes with fighters that can answer those questions.

Posted September 19, 2013 12:32 pm 


Sapphire

Remember, by the time he fought Chavez, Floyd was already struggling with his weight at 130. Where was Morales and MAB? They weren’t there. They weren’t moving up.

Posted September 19, 2013 12:30 pm 


Sapphire

Fritz

Neither wanted him. They were below his weight class. Floyd went up and started to chase the only man he really wanted, OSCAR. But in order to do that, you have to put yourself in the position to do so.

He thought Arum held him back from a lot of fights which is why he left.

Posted September 19, 2013 12:29 pm 


Fritz

Peej, much bigger money fights would have been Morales and Barrera just one weight under Floyd but instead he moved up a weight to Catillo who already had four losses and a seemingly good blueprint to lose.

Posted September 19, 2013 12:27 pm 


TARK

Viv says, “Give him an “accidental” headbutt to the mouth.”

Nobody thought that head-butt was accidental.

That was the most deliberate head-butt I’ve ever seen. Victor Ortiz quit 3 times in fights. Quitting was clearly justified versus Josesito Lopez. I’ve seen boxers like Arthur Abraham and Muhammad Ali fight 10 rounds with a broken jaw—but no need for that type of misplaced courage. But quitting was not certainly not justified against Marcos Maidana.

I was interested in seeing what would happen when Victor started taking punishment from Floyd. For most important fight of his life I thought he would suck it up. The headbutt was outrageous enough that my immediate thought was “Victor is trying to foul out early.”

After VO took the left hook—following the break and point deduction—he didn’t even look in Floyd’s direction. Did the follow up right really knock Victor out? All I know is, he had a smile on his face during the count. He was rich … and he only had to go 4 rounds.

Posted September 19, 2013 12:23 pm 


Get real

Yuri

Stop being an idiot .. Why is GGG avoiding Adonis Stevens @ 175

Posted September 19, 2013 12:22 pm 


Tomato Can

You gotta be damn good when you weigh 150 pounds soaked and wet, yet fans scream that ur ducking 160 pound contenders. That speaks volumes about Mayweather’s greatness all by itself. Maybe he really is the greatest of all time. I’m starting to think that his detractors are making a case for just that…

Posted September 19, 2013 12:21 pm 


Sapphire

YURI

It’s a business. Floyd has said this himself.

They talk about Ali fought so and so and SRL fought so and so but they forget to mention they were able to make those fights come together because names like SRL and Hearns were both big names. Ali and Frazier were both big names.

Who is GGG?

Floyd can sell maybe 1 million PPV tops. Maybe he can do more now since it seems there has been a bigger boost from this fight. However, Floyd is always going to look for the best wave to ride to get his bank account as high as possible. Especially if the risk factor is up.

He didn’t fight Canelo for the challenge as much as the Risk vs. Reward factor was big enough to take that chance.

What does GGG, a title holder at MW, offer Floyd?

And why aren’t people ripping GGG for wanting to fight a man that wakes up at 145 and shows up at 150 on fight-night? That’s funny.

That said, I would love to see this fight. GGG is a good guy. But its still odd.

Posted September 19, 2013 12:20 pm 


Public Enemy

You guys think Floyd was a slicker boxer then Macho Camacho Sr. or Pernel Whittiker, Wilfredo Benitez? etc.. Better then a prime Roy Jones, Bernard Hopkins, James toney, Ali, more powerful then a Tito Trinidad, Chavez Sr. etc etc etc.. ROFLMAO.. stop drinking that KOOLAID it will rot your little brains…

Posted September 19, 2013 12:18 pm 


Public Enemy

Its one thing to talk about how good and skilled Mayweather is as a boxer which he is compared to the current crop of C level opponents but when you start talking about how Great he is and how he’s the Greatest Boxer that ever lived Bullcrap you start sounding as delusional as the Canelo Koolaid Drinkers…

Posted September 19, 2013 12:16 pm 


Yuri

Sapphire

New excuse

Golovkin can not fight Mayweather because he can not sell tickets.

But this is Mayweather most famous boxer in world, he can fight street bin man and it sell out because of Mayweather not Golovkin.

Next excuse please.

Posted September 19, 2013 12:14 pm 


Public Enemy

Malachi – News Flash, only Koolaid drinking Mexican Fans bought into the Canelo is the Next Chavez Sr. nonsense.. no real Boxing fan or true Boxing scribe bought into that nonsense.. the Boxing Hype Machine and the paid for Media ran with it to justify the ultimate insane Paydays both these idiots got..

Posted September 19, 2013 12:13 pm 


Sapphire

sugar ray

Hagler fought in one division. Floyd fought in several and showed to be great in more than one division. From 130-140, Floyd was just brilliant, Mentally, Physically, and Technically. At 147, I didn’t think he was all that great compared because his punching power was no longer the same but he did show enough pop to get fighters to respect him and that I.Q. and technical ability, was still always peak.

When Looking at Floyd, the best way to evaluate him with others is to look at the divisions he could dominate in throughout history.

Posted September 19, 2013 12:13 pm 


BoxCraz

would have been interesting to see him matched up against prime past legends such as sugar ray leonard and sugar ray robinson, or even pernell whitaker and meldrick taylor. but that’s just fantasy, so let’s talk reality. fight kid chocolate quilin at catchweight maybe?

Posted September 19, 2013 12:13 pm 


Anonymous

……………..proud african = public enemy…………

Posted September 19, 2013 12:12 pm 


Yuri

Proud African

If you know your boxing you would know Golovkin said in ring after one of his last fights he want to fight Ward. Clever of you to try shift attention to Ward and avoid words about Mayweather.

Golovkin said wants to fight anyone at 154 – 168.

Please know your fact before make more excuse for Mayweather.

Next excuse please. Please try to invent new one your excuses are all the same.

I make some for you

Mayweather can not fight Golovkin because he white and Mayweather just fought white Mexican – Canelo

Mayweather can not fight Golovkin because he from East Europe and Mayweather don’t fight guy from East Europe.

Mayweather can not fight Golovkin because he don’t want Golovkin to “Feel him” (Death star know what I mean by this)

Mayweather can not fight Golovkin because he don’t like his boot laces.

Mayweather can not fight Golovkin because he not get time to box and that not fair.

Posted September 19, 2013 12:11 pm 


Sapphire

It’s also amazing that we are discussing matchups with Floyd, a 150 pounder on fight-night, having to face-off against MW Champions. And all at the age of 36, going on 37 by his next fight.

Posted September 19, 2013 12:10 pm 


Sapphire

Any MW Champion that wants to fight Floyd at JrMW MUST go down to 154 first. Then, the question will arise, what can you do for Floyd Financially?

Can GGG draw interest from the “casual fan” which is the main reason why athletes start to make the millions they do. The die-hard fans are the given. The casual fan, they are the reason why the big bucks are made.

So can GGG sell tickets? I doubt it.

Can Sergio Martinez sell tickets? I think so.

Can Dan Garcia? I think so. And he is moving up.

Who else?

Posted September 19, 2013 12:09 pm 


PEEJ

Not to mention they asked Hopkins who places him with Robinson and Ali, Leonard said he was a great fighter. They have asked a few boxers and they all rate him very high in the all time great list. I think they have a more accurate view of the list than we do.

Posted September 19, 2013 12:07 pm 


PEEJ

I don’t think Yuri knows very much about boxing. Can’t run from someone that is not in your weight class.

Posted September 19, 2013 12:05 pm 


Tomato Can

Sugar Ray, did you know the real Sugar Ray disagrees with you?

Posted September 19, 2013 12:05 pm 


Tomato Can

One would think if GGG was really serious about fighting Mayweather he would be campaigning at WW, or JrMW, or he would be trying to hook up with GBP’s. or moving to Showtime. Hmmm he’s doing none of those things and people are already claiming Mayweather is ducking him. Poeple h e to realize that a lot of things would have to change I order for a Mayweather/GGG fight to happen, and even if it did, GGG would have to make whatever weight Mayweather chooses, as well as concede to whatever else Mayweather chooses. Mayweather is too fast and would take advantage of a guy who would have to lose a minimum of 6 pounds of muscle. It’s not happening anytime soon…

Posted September 19, 2013 12:02 pm 


sugar ray

As good as Mayweather is, he’s simply not in the same league with Sugar Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvelous Marvin Hagler, and Roberto Duran to name a few. Mayweather may be a great business man but as a fighter he’s a cherry picker who picks opponents smaller, slower, less skilled, battle worn, and past their primes. Great fighters fight the best of their era and have signature or career defining fights. I hate to disappoint Mayweather fans but he comes up way short compared to past great fighters. When you look at his career, where is Kostya Tszyu, Shane Mosely (at lightweight and welterweight), Paul Williams, Winky Wright, Joshua Clottey, Miguel Cotto (at junior welterweight and welterweight), Antonio Margarito, Sergio Martinez, Manny Pacquaio, and G. Golovkin. Mayweather has been making a living ducking the best fighters and selling himself as great to ignorant casual boxing fans who know nothing about boxing and its history. Unlike Robinson, Armstrong, Leonard, Hagler, and other great fighters, Mayweather doesn’t want to challenge himself against the best and climb the mountain of greatness. Boxing fans don’t believe the hype. If you placed Mayweather in the 1980s, Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, Arguello, Pryor, and and Mike McCallum would knocked him silly. Duran would have beaten him at lightweight and probably welterweight. Benetiz would have outclassed and probably knocked him out at 147 and 154. Move the clock up to the 1990s and Pernell Whitaker would have easily beat him while Felix Trinidad and Julian Jackson would have knocked him into the next life. These guys fought real men while Mayweather chooses to fight guys way below his level in an effort to protect his undefeated record and line his pockets with more money.

Posted September 19, 2013 11:54 am 


Yuri

Fraud Mayweather runs away from Golovkin.

And all his fan make every excuse for him NOT to fight Golovkin.

But then say Golovkin is slow, he plodder, Mayweather would beat him easy.

If that is true, why you scared of Mayweather fighting Golovkin? If it so easy Mayweather have no problem.

Keep making your excuses! You make Mayweather look like cherrypicker coward who only fight who he can beat. Garcia, Khan, Pacman, Alexander, all will lose to Mayweather. Whole world know this. But make every excuse to avoid WBA champion Golovkin.

Mayweather greatest of all time? Very funny. He not even close. Is Sugar Ray Robinson, whole world know this.

Death Star and other like him know truth.

More excuses please. You make your hero Fraud Mayweather look weak and scared.

Whats your next excuse for Mayweather to avoid Golovkin?

Posted September 19, 2013 11:50 am 


Old Yank

SREDMOND — Any attempt to rank Mayweather as an all-time great requires him to be compared to great fighters from all eras of boxing — it is the very definition of all-time great.

I did not place Mayweather in a bare knuckle bout; I made it clear that impossibilities like this are the very perils that make all-time-rankings one part fantasy and one part the grilled product of what has been given time to marinade in the crucible of history. I would suggest you learn how to read before you react.

Posted September 19, 2013 11:49 am 


malachi

Public Enemy`wow, so he’s a hype job because he got schooled by the master,but come ooon man this was the guy everyone was so hyped about taking mayweather off the throne this is the young vicious lion that mayweather tamed ,this is the undefeated strong fighter who is going to break the all time ppv sales with mayweather but all of a sudden he’s a bum, nah brah pay attention,he’ go on to be great, that’s just how good mayweather is he makes them look like bums and i personally think he could compete with anyone of these guys at 154 and at the higher weight but what is going to be the excuse when the 160 lb fighter comes to 154 to fight mayweather and mayweather wins its gonna be oh he had to drain em,so you need to stop fighting it my dude cause like i said before you know like i do he will never get his just due….no siir!

Posted September 19, 2013 11:49 am 


SREDMOND

PE wants to “ban the shoulder roll” what’s next keeping your hands up? GTFOH your angry because the masters of this posture ha e befuddled their squared up opponents for years… Even a sloppy James Toney could not be knocked out at HW due to his ability to roll punches and present an elusive target… Hopkins pushing 50 has still not caught a World Class beating and well Mayweather he’s simply the complete package because his mastery is also married to extreme athleticism… So PE wants to force guys to fight in a manner more favorable to their opponents? Next guys with fast hands will be tracked with a radar gun and have points deducted for rapid combos… This pig is not a fight fan he’s just another guy who despises the mastery of Floyd Mayweather

Posted September 19, 2013 11:48 am 


The Prince

I recall a lot of Mayweather detractors saying they would give him credit if he fought and beat Canelo. Some have kept their word, but others on this site…

Posted September 19, 2013 11:46 am 


PEEJ

GGG has never fought at 154 so nobody knows if he can even make 154. Martinez can’t make 154, he has already said that and that is why the rematch with Williams was at 157. Now as for as Lara goes, well Floyd can defend against him but it will sell nothing. And what has Lara done to even get a shot at Mayweather besides getting a gift draw against one fighter, and a draw in his last fight before Angulo nd also almost being KOd by Angulo. Not to mention it wont sell, nobody knows Lara

Posted September 19, 2013 11:40 am 


SREDMOND

Death Star, a GREAT KO percentage against sub par competition is nothing new… Edwin Valero stopped 100% of his foes before he killed his wife… He’s not gonna be remembered as the Greatest because of the quality of his opposition or lack thereof… GGG is nothing special in the annals of boxing history, a gaudy KO record against a suspect group of fighters… Now he wants to sell Greatness at MW by chasing one of the smallest WW’s out there …Fight night PAC and Floyd are two of the only guys who actually weigh the actual limit of 147 or close no ballooning to 157 or 164 like some of these guys… If GGG is destined to be Great let him prove it at 160 pounds and up…

Posted September 19, 2013 11:37 am 


Get real

Yes public Enemy your claim is ridicules.

Fighter that use the shoulder roll use it to deflect the right hand, so fighter are never afraid to throw right or are they in any danger of landing an illegal punch.

The posture itself is a trap because the fighter appears to be open for a straight right, the fighter uses his shoulder to parry the punch making the aggressor over comment to the right hand and at the same time puts them in line counter straight right.

Fighter who are not skilled in the art of the shoulder roll, will get hit every time with a straight right and left hook. it takes a good understanding of distance and timing to use the shoulder roll.

Carnelo himself was able to use the shoulder roll with some success just not against floyd.

What you truly want is a fighter with no defense willing to trade punches with his opponent , until someone is KOed witch is just ridicules. why train if that is your style , just go to the gym lose weight, rehydrate 20lb heavier to take advantage weight , who needs boxing skill just take shots to the dome.. Oh wait thats what you want.

Posted September 19, 2013 11:35 am 


are you for real?

SREDMOND = SURPEME COURT

Posted September 19, 2013 11:35 am 


Jasper

I have been around the sport for a very long time and floyd is one of the best I have ever seen in the ring. people talk about his retirement . . . the guy announced one more after baldy well before the division took shape, and lets be real here . . . what would the likes of Margo, Clottey and pwill really add to his legacy? the big fights that people wanted to see was not his fault. this is a different era and the rules of the game has changed. Boxing has always been about money but today it far more political than ever and you do not always make the best $ fighting the best. for example zu fought hatton instead of FLoyd in the time frame when it made sense. do people say zu ducked floyd . . . no people know its all about paying the bills and Hatton was a bigger paycheck. people tend to forget that it was SSM that duck Money 2 times and cotto was not ready when they were both under arum. speaking of arum . . . people tend to forget he was the one who GAINED the most by not having Pac-floyd happen. he made just as much having pac face in house fighters as splitting the pot with Money . . . so who do you think really did not want the fight?

I usually do not rank fighters until he retires but i can comfortably say that he is the best fighter since pernell and a lock for the top 20.

Posted September 19, 2013 11:34 am 


The Prince

Public Enemy – and was a champion. Come on, it’s easy.

Posted September 19, 2013 11:31 am 


The Prince

Public Enemy – Who was the last person Floyd fought at 154 who was undefeated and on some pundits Top P4P list?

Posted September 19, 2013 11:29 am 


SREDMOND

Old Yank, you sound stupid “bare knuckle fighting” Now you want the sport to revert in order to negate the Greatness of Floyd Mayweather, you have a real nerve promoting your failed site and trying to pass yourself off as a true boxing fan or writer… Next you will benchmark FMJ against MMA…

Posted September 19, 2013 11:28 am 


Old Yank

I wonder if a fighter who can dance when getting hit with 10 ounce gloves would still be able to dance when getting hit with bare knuckles. I wonder if a fighter who can dance for 12 rounds could dance for 20 or 30 or 50 rounds — or could endure until last man standing is declared the winner.

Stunningly, the Mayweather/Canelo bout would have resulted in a “no decision” during the dreadful “no decision” (newspaper decision) era of boxing.

Attempting to pluck greats from very different periods in boxing history and compare their greatness is fraught with peril.

Hand Mayweather opponents 6 ounce gloves and give them 15 rounds and we can only guess what might result. To be sure Mayweather displays signs of timeless greatness that would allow us to fantasize that he would be great in any period in history. But the truth remains that we will never really know.

I’m comfortable recognizing him as the best in the business at this moment in time. He deserves his #1 P4P ranking. I’m comfortable recognizing him among the greats of all-time. But mysticism and legend and legacy and time all need to marinate in the crucible of history in order to know if his current standing will hold up over time.

Posted September 19, 2013 11:23 am 


Public Enemy

The Prince – what top P4P undefeated 154lb champs has Mayweather fought?

Posted September 19, 2013 11:22 am 


Public Enemy

Malachi – 147lb 42 year old shot Mosely was not taking serious punishment vs 175lb Canelo.. I saw that fight and paid close attention.. it was another case of Canelo not doing anything impressive at all.. just getting by.. enough with the Canelo bullsht, that case is closed.. he’s a hype Job who has to go back to the starting line and try to reinvent himself..

Posted September 19, 2013 11:19 am 


The Prince

malachi – You’re correct. Floyd has only fought champions and top P4P’s AFTER their biggest wins, not loses. And that will be very obvious once his career is over and studied like the great Pyramids of Egypt.

Posted September 19, 2013 11:18 am 


Hendo

Haimat, GGG is undefeated because he has not fought any top 10 competitors in his division.

Posted September 19, 2013 11:18 am 


Public Enemy

So here you have people now saying Floyd should fight 140lb Danny Garcia or shot Amir Khan but no way should he fight 154l Lara, Quillin, Sergio Martinez, GGG??? that’s why he will never be great.. a truely Great fighter would take on all these guys win or lose.. at their weights..

Posted September 19, 2013 11:17 am 


Tomato Can

GGG, looks like the real deal. He’s treating fellow 160 pound fighters, like Mayweather treated 130 pound fighters. But if you’re looking for GGG ti use a a gave to see if Mayweather is that great of a fighter, you already missed the boat. Mayweather already proved his greatness before any of us even heard of GGG. I’m looking forward to see what GGG does with his career.

Posted September 19, 2013 11:16 am 


malachi

Public Enemy`rewatch that fight ,please! ,Mosley was taking heavy punishment all night and was never in control of the fight even though he lasted for the full twelve I remember saying “WOW,i really feel sorry for Shane,I hope this fight gets over soon”, and I realized that Canelo could actually box…yuup!

Posted September 19, 2013 11:15 am 


Merciless

in terms of talent and skill, Floyd is absolutely in the same league with the Robinson, Leonard, and Ali. But, Robinson, Leonard, and Ali had the ability to appeal not only to hardcore boxing fans, but casual fans as well. Whenever I’ve ordered Mayweather PPV’s in the past, most of my guests are bored out their mind and are left wondering why they’ve chipped in watch it. I’ve had to stop ordering his fights, because I’m not willing to pay $50+ to see it, and nobody else wants to chip in anymore.

There’s not doubt in my mind that if Duran, Leonard, Hagler, or Hearns had been in the ring with Canelo that night, that they would have gotten the K.O. or at least pressed for it. It’s hard for me to consider him one of the greatest of all time when he’s running (the way he did in the 12th round) against someone he completely out-classes. He could easily have gone out there in the 12th and put a beating on Canelo; but, he didn’t. Instead he ran to seal his victory.

To be amongst the greatest ever, requires more than talent and skill. It requires a little something extra. I’m not saying that Floyd doesn’t have that something extra. If he does, however, he certainly hasn’t shown it (at least not in recent years). He definitely didn’t show it in this fight.

Posted September 19, 2013 11:11 am 


Tomato Can

Mayweather’s work ethic seems to set him apart from the rest. He’s 36 and he’s still a brilliant fighter that comes in the ring in tip top shape, every time. At 36 he’s competing in weight classes past his optimal weight and making world class competition look below average. I don’t know if he’s the best of all time, but he surely will always be mentioned amount the best. I just hope once he’s done another great fighter takes his place, cause fighters like that just don’t come around everyday or every era for that matter.

Posted September 19, 2013 11:09 am 


malachi

The Prince`and if I could piggy back off of your post for a bit Mayweather is not only great but probably the best business man to have laced them up if people pay attention not only is he setting himself up financially for life and people will say well he doesn’t care about his legacy just money but his legacy is also being set up and in tact but just because he hasn’t fought exactly who everyone wanted him to fight at that particular time doesn’t mean they weren’t worthy because if you see who he’s fought at the time he’s fought them you will see that he wasn’t fighting bums he’s always fought fighters on top of their game or that were champions and you cant discredit him for any one of his fights but that will reflect later on and that’s what the history books will reveal..yezzzir!

Posted September 19, 2013 11:06 am 


Haimat

VOICE OF REASON, you’re simply dead wrong. Calzaghe called out the biggest names after each fight and was frustrated to death that Frank Warren couldn’t make any of those fights happen.

Watch any of his fights and listen to Joe call out the biggest names at the time each and every time. Get your facts straight!

Posted September 19, 2013 11:06 am 


I Know Your ALT

get real is an SREDMOND ALT 100%

Posted September 19, 2013 11:05 am 


PEEJ

Yeah i agree, Mosley was beaten by Canelo rather easily.

Posted September 19, 2013 11:04 am 


PEEJ

GGG official fight night weight in his last fight against Macklin was 170, Macklin had been fighting Middleweight his whole career and he weighed in at 170. I really don’t think they are small for middleweight. That is what most 160 pounders come in at, about 170

Posted September 19, 2013 11:04 am 


Public Enemy

Malachi – that’s nonsense Mosely easily out boxed the 172lb Canelo all night long you could see Mosely actually backing off at times to let Canelo do something.. Everyone knew Mosely was their just to be a good employee of Goldenboy and make Canelo look good..

Posted September 19, 2013 11:04 am 


Get real

Dear
Death Star

Your post is so full BS. If GGG is so great let him go south for greener pastures instead of looking for the small guys to make his mark. I mean really, what kind of challenge does welter weight present to a middle weight fighter who is suppose to have this legendary body numbing power ? Shouldn’t be looking for bigger fish to fry(168)(175), shouldn’t he be trying to make is own legacy ?

Instead he has been elected the next executioner of a fighter who started his career at 130, seem hardly a challenge at all.

Lets see what GGG can do at 160 before we crown him the next best thing, when he has yet to be the true king of 160

Posted September 19, 2013 11:03 am 


Public Enemy

Junior- it is not ridiculous and yes he’s not the only one that has done this James toney and bernard Hopkins do this as well both many see as rough dirty fighters but skilled the point is that its one thing to use a shoulder roll as a punch is coming at you. It’s another thing to posture up with your Back basically pointed at your opponent.. there’s no shoulder roll going on at that moment…It’s a tactic used to hobble your opponents attack on you.. it should not be allowed in Boxing.. Camacho and Whittiker both slick Boxers never did this.. just my opinion..

Posted September 19, 2013 11:02 am 


Death Star

one more time. read with eyes open.

harry greb started out at ww and fought and beat gene tunney at hw.

sam langford beat joe gans at lightweight and beat harry wills, joe jeanette and sam mcvey at hw

roy jones started out at 154 and beat ruiz at hw

henry armstrong held the featherweight, lightweight, and welterweight simultaneously (in the era of only 8 divisions) and fought the mw champion to a draw

duran started out at bantam/super bantamweight and beat iran barkley who was a gigantic mw.

thomas hearns started out at 147 and beat vigil hill at lh and went up to cw and was still knocking mofos out

billy conn started out at lightweight and came very close to beating the absolutely murderous punching wonderful hw, arguably the greatest, joe louis

mickey walker started out at about 144 lbs and fought legends all the way from ww to hw, big hws and very hard punching ones

Georges Carpentier started out at 147 and fought legendary fighters right up to hw

but mayweather the self-proclaimed greatest of all time can’t fight small mw golovkin who will weigh an absolute maximum of a couple of lbs more than victor ortiz and canelo weighed against him but in actuality probably the same weight as them?

back later.

Posted September 19, 2013 10:58 am 


SREDMOND

What makes GGG think that he’s gonna guide Floyd Mayweathers career? GGG needs te Mayweather payday so he’s JUST another voice to Floyd… Garcia, Khan, Guerrero, Alexander, Martinez and everyone else wants to get in the ring for the payday.. Floyd is like Santa Claus to these mopes!!! Danny Garcia has done FAR MORE to earn the shot than Golovkin who is an HBO fighter… Garcia beat Matthysee on an FMJ undercard and positioned himself for a possible shot…GGG is wayyyyyy at the back of the line especially because he’s a 160 pound fighter who is NOT even facing the best in his division…Floyd Mayweather is not physically suited to the 160 pound class anyone can see that… So it’s time those guys either move up a division or fight it out amongst themselves…

Posted September 19, 2013 10:55 am 


The Prince

GGG is just another “great hope” haters are singling out for Floyd to fight, and he’s a MW at that. What they don’t realize is that they’re also proving how great Mayweather really is. If Mayweather is a fraud, a cherrypicker, etc, etc, why demand he fight a power punching MW when he’s a WW who can barely make 150? That alone proves it. And why keep demanding Floyd fight opponents one, two, and three weight divisions above his weight if he isn’t special? No one is demanding Pacquiao fight MW’s; they still worried if he’ll get past Rios. No one is demanding Canelo fight MW and SMW’s; they now wondering if he was special to begin with. If Floyd doesn’t fight MW’s he’s not great? Nonsense. Demanding that he must fight MW’s proves that he’s great. Accept it.

Posted September 19, 2013 10:53 am 


lefhook

Malachi, co sign that post bud

Posted September 19, 2013 10:50 am 


malachi

public enemy`thats not correct, mosley was out boxed for twelve full rounds by Canelo,dont try calling him a bum or anything else in that realm,mayweather humbled him and his team will get together and he will learn from this beautiful display of boxing by the master boxer and all those people your naming that he didn’t fight look back at some of the reasons as well,Mayweather just keep getting these victories and you know like i do that he will never get his full credit regardless of who he fights because the critics don’t sleep….yuuuup!

Posted September 19, 2013 10:46 am 


PEEJ

No to mention he started out at 130. Actually weighed less that 130 when he first started out. He should be getting a lot of credit anyways for beating the champion at 154 while weighing in lighter than 150

Posted September 19, 2013 10:45 am 


PEEJ

Floyd was supposedly avoiding Canelo and after he made easy work, he was hand picked. If he where to fight GGG at 154 and beat him, people would say he was weight drained, he hasn’t fought anybody, who is this guy. And he would get no credit. There would be nothing but excuses just like now.

Posted September 19, 2013 10:43 am 


SpaceCowboy

An open mind? You sound like his mother.

Posted September 19, 2013 10:41 am 


Death Star

silly boy. ggg is the most avoided fighter in the sport. he’s got the highest ko percentage in mw title history. everyone knows how hard he hits. his opponents testify to this, so do his sparring partners. lhs, cws, hws gush about his power for goodness sake. mayweather would get a lot of credit for taking a risk that big.

Posted September 19, 2013 10:41 am 


The Prince

Great article. Floyd haters won’t matter in the end, because Floyd will be one of the most studied boxers 20 years from now. You could literally write a boxing 101 guide and use him as the example through the entire guide. That’s how good he is. Floyd became champion at a young age and continued to dominate top, P4P, fighters of his generation for nearly 20 years. And he’d would always challenged them after there biggest wins, only to show that he is the best. Even if Floyd doesn’t finish his career undefeated, it will be pretty obvious by now that his loss will be do to age finally catching up, not because someone finally solved the puzzle in out-working, out-thinking, and dominating him.

Posted September 19, 2013 10:38 am 


SREDMOND

Sorry Death Star I don’t respect your sales pitch… Because Floyds a SMALL WW when it comes to body mass… He was seriously outweighed by Ortiz who was a former 140 pounder and obviously Canelo who had 15 pounds… The only reason you are exerting yourself to NO avail trying to sell GGG as this tiny fighter is because you want to get Mayweather in the ring with a vastly larger boxer in the context of sport… Floyd’s not gonna face a NO NAME MW fighter…. And since GGG is this tiny 160 pounder why does he NOT START CAMPAIGNING THERE and earn a shot???? Using the “everyone’s ducking me” excuse is corny let the man shed the weight start beating some 154 pounders and keep begging to face Mayweather like the rest of boxing… Let him get in a couple of fights also so that we don’t have to hear “he was drained or killed himself” cause that’s exactly what YOU and the rest will say when he’s standing there like a statue getting tagged and too slow to respond…Do you really think GGG is faster than Cotto, Canelo, Judah or ODH??? HAHHAHAHA!

Posted September 19, 2013 10:38 am 


PEEJ

Floyd is the greatest fighter of this generation. There is nobody better than Floyd. Sorry. Look at his resume. He has been fighting champs and titlest since his 12 pro fight. He is 23 and 0 in title fights. Nobody has fought more title fights in a row or championship fights in a row that Floyd. That there in itself is great. Look at his record. It speaks for itself. He was the champion at 130, 135, 147 and now 154 and has held a title at 140. He is a 4 division champion and a 5 division champion. That is great.

Posted September 19, 2013 10:37 am 


VOICE OF REASON

Death Star, where were your reems and reems of posts when Joe Calzaghe was being proclaimed as the best after hiding away at 168 when he could have stepped up to Light Heavy between 2000 and 2005 and challenged the likes of Roy Jones, Glen Johnson and Antonio Tarver?

I seem to remember he had the excuses of he was terrified of flying and he could not get a unification fight against the likes of Marcus Beyer and then Sven Ottke.

If he was so great why did he not go up 7 pounds and seek out Jones and the rest. There is a saying “Great men do great things.” Well, Joe was content to take on the likes of McIntyre, Pudwill, Jimenez, Mkrtchian, Salem and Brewer who are class B at best.

Now, you are crusading that Mayweather take on the best from 147 to 168. Shame you were nowhere to be seen before. You would have cleaned up boxing single-handedly.

Posted September 19, 2013 10:36 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

A wise poster who knows the deal wrote:

“DONT COMPARE THESE PRIMA DONNA”S OF TODAY WITH THE REAL LEGENDS.”

Posted September 19, 2013 10:35 am 


Public Enemy

PEEJ – he may be one of the Best but he sure as hell is not one of the Greatest.. Floyd had done absolutely nothing even close to Great in over a Decade.

Posted September 19, 2013 10:31 am 


Death Star

i already told you

“If Canelo or Mayweather wanted to fight Golovkin at 154, we would just need to know ahead of time so I can start dropping him a little quicker,” Sanchez said. “Right now I’m not even dropping him. It’s so easy (making weight). I’m talking (he weighs) 167 lbs before training. That is his walk around weight. We did say that he’d fight anybody from 154 to 168 lbs and in those ranges I don’t think that anybody at 154 lbs goes the distance with him.”

While some may scoff at Sanchez’ claims that Golovkin would stop anyone at junior middleweight inside of 12 rounds, the proof is in the pudding that GGG’s power is paralyzing and no boxer once the bell rings. With 24 knockouts in 27 fights while campaigning at middleweight, a drop down in weight shouldn’t sap the power from his punches. And that spells danger for anyone, including Mayweather and Alvarez.

But the reality is that Golovkin is a huge risk for either fighter and it wouldn’t be a surprise if both Mayweather and Alvarez steer clear of Golovkin for as long as they can. But eventually, avoidance may not be an option as worthy opponents for Mayweather or Canelo will dwindle and public demand for either to face Golovkin will come to an inaudible roar. They may not face him in the near future (or in Mayweather’s case, ever), but Golovkin is willing to wait and continue to bury everyone in his path.

“I think after three fights, or two fights, I will go to junior middleweight because of Floyd and Saul Alvarez,” Golovkin said. “Those are great fighters. Miguel Cotto is also very good. Why not? I feel great and junior middleweight is no problem for me. Maybe in the next two years I will go to super middleweight.”

Posted September 19, 2013 10:28 am 


Haimat

Hendo, listen and think for a while, it’s good for you.

GGG won the youth World championships, the Asian Championships, the World Championships and silver at the Olympic games during his amateur days. During those years he continuously fought the best guys in the world. No cherry picking. Sometimes 6 fights in a week.

In the amateurs a fight is 3 rounds. The fights are more technical. A fighter like Canelo would not win a single fight in a championship, maybe one if he’s lucky in the draw. The best guys have incredible footwork and won’t let the opponent get off more than 2 shots in a row. Check out Korobov during his amateur days and enjoy boxing at it’s finest.

Golovkin dominated this world with a pro style for 5 years before turning pro. Floyd won’t fight a guy like that. That’s why he’s undefeated.

Posted September 19, 2013 10:28 am 


Public Enemy

Also, I have always said that Floyds Shoulder Roll defensive posture in the Ring should be deemed an illegal move by the Boxing officials.. It’s no different then someone turning their backs on their opponents.. It puts Floyds opponent in a very awkward spot of not being able to throw shots at floyd in fear that they would hit the back of his head and neck.. It’s a form of cheating.. the Refs should tell Floyd to stop turning his back on his opponents or they will take away points.. Floyds Chest and front of his Body is basically at a 90degree angle to his opponents with his Back almost facing them.. he used this against Canelo all night long..

Posted September 19, 2013 10:27 am 


LAREDOART

As long as Floyd gets the ring sizes that he wants and the gloves that he wants, and on top of that, the weight that he wants, then there’s no equal ground. If Boxing would have a standard ring sizes, standard gloves and no catch weights, then it would equal, and then we can talk about greatness. People that know about boxing, will agree with me, everybody else will talk around it….

Posted September 19, 2013 10:27 am 


PEEJ

Floyd is the greatest boxer of this generation. I never claimed he is the greatest but he is the greatest of this generation.

Posted September 19, 2013 10:24 am 


Death Star

bigger risk? marquez jumping up 2 divisions, after only fighting twice at the one he was in, to take on the p4p #1 fighter on the planet (right?) and one of the greatest of all time (right?), against an opponent who didn’t even try to make the agreed catch-weight, or mayweather fighting slow plodding hype job bum little mw ggg will probably weigh the same as canelo and ortiz did against mayweather?

Posted September 19, 2013 10:24 am 


PEEJ

He did not avoid Cotto, they said they where not ready to fight Floyd, look it up. Williams is an overrated fighter with no defense. He did not avoid Williams. Not to mention Williams had no fan base, nobody wanted to see that fight. Margacheato was a cheater, never deserved any fight he got. Pac had excuses on why he couldn’t take the test then greed got the better of them when he declined the 40 mil. Martinez is at 160, and they said he could not make 154, that is why they had the rematch with Williams at 157. He didn’t avoid Clottey, what did Clottey do to deserve a fight with Floyd? Besides having no fan base, he lost every step up fight he had against a good fighter. There are no excuses. Excuses are what haters are coming up with everytime Floyd fights. Those are excuses.

Posted September 19, 2013 10:24 am 


Public Enemy

Look, I’m not saying Floyd isn’t a gifted Boxer, he is.. but he is definitely nothing Great..Could he have been? maybe if he had some Balls but he chose to run and hide until the smoke cleared.. So now he’s just fighting sub par opponnents.. he will need to step up, move up and take on the best at those weights like truely Great Champions have done.. instead of continuing fighting these tailor made sub par opponents.. like Canelo..

Posted September 19, 2013 10:23 am 


JOEY

DONT KNOCK MAYWEATHER AND THE REST OF THE MODERN LEGENDS,AFTER ALL THEY HAVE AT LEAST ONE FIGHT A YEAR

Posted September 19, 2013 10:22 am 


Public Enemy

SREDMOND – Canelo was all Hype, he was gifted a Belt which he never defended against the Mandatory Cuban Lara, he fought shot damaged Cintron, he got rocked by Miguels C leve brother, he got his ears boxed off by smaller older shot Mosely, he beat up a 140lb Josesito Lopez not even a top 10 at 140lbs.. he was pushed to his limits by Feather fisted C level Trout, conclusion, Canelo was no Roy Jones, Bernard Hopkins or Tito Trinidad.. Just a prettier version of head first plodder Angulo..

Posted September 19, 2013 10:20 am 


PEEJ

So why are you calling for GGG to fight Floyd, how come you don’t want him to move up and fight the bigger fighters. Call for him to move to 168. When he makes 154 then he can get a fight with Floyd but unless Floyd is moving to 160 to get a fight then GGG is not in the picture. He is not in the same weight class. And of course if he where to beat GGG then everybody would be quick to point out that GGG really hasn’t fought anybody. Just like they are saying about Canelo now. The same Canelo that showed tremendous head movement against Trout, showed great defense and countering ability against Trout. But now he is relegated to an over hyped fighter that never fought anybody. lol

Posted September 19, 2013 10:19 am 


Death Star

marquez was jumping up 2 divisions and as someone on here pointed out the other day he had only fought twice at the division he was jumping up from before he fought mayweather as well (lightweight). mayweather who has no problem making the weight, right?, didn’t even bother to try to make the agreed catch-weight for their fight. disgraceful

Posted September 19, 2013 10:18 am 


Public Enemy

He avoided a top unbeaten, undamaged Cotto, he avoided a dangerous Paquiao, he avoided a dangerous Margarito, he avoided a dangerous Paul Williams, he avoided a Dangerous Sergio Martinez, he avoided a not too old but still dangerous Mosely, He avoided a dangerous Clottey, etc etc etc.. excuse after excuse he chose to retire?? aka run for the Hills and hide…

Posted September 19, 2013 10:16 am 


Death Star

ggg 168 lb against grzegorz proksa. heaviest ever weight 170 lbs (a one off). i’m sure he was 167 lbs or less for some of his other more recent fights, but let’s just assume that’s his average ring weight now for the sake of it. canelo 172 lbs against trout. entered camp at 172 for mayweather, weighed 165 lbs on the night against mayweather. victor ortiz 164 lbs against mayweather. but ggg way too big. lolz. higly likely ggg would weigh the same as canelo and ortiz agaist floyd.

Posted September 19, 2013 10:14 am 


SREDMOND

Canelo was the Ring Champ and Unified Beltholder at 154 that’s just a FACT your opinion cannot negate that… Floyd became lineal Champ at 154 by defeating Canelo… Mayweather outclasses everyone so pretending that Canelo is a Bum now is just weak… What 154 pounder had more credentials than Canelo REAL accomplishments? Name pleas who is this Champ we all missed that also had a big fan base?

Posted September 19, 2013 10:12 am 


SREDMOND

I guess Ray Leonard’s a punk he took off what 5 years and fought Hagler? Floyds career is his own and who are the “top guys” he came back and stroked
The #2 guy in the ring Marquez first night back… EASYYYYYY! Work just because these guys defense is inferior to his… Who’s fault is that?

Posted September 19, 2013 10:09 am 


Death Star

weigh ggg on the day? you said ggg is a big mw. those were your exact words. i’m going by what he weighs on fight night. hbo’s official scales. i’m also going by what he and his trainer say about his walk around weight is now and what it was less than a year ago. and the visual stimuli, what my eyes tell me, certainly corroborates that. he is not a big mw. you can see it in his frame. this is why he didn’t look any bigger, maybe even slightly smaller, in the photo of him and canelo standing alongside each other after their sparring session. one more time, contrary to what you said, ggg is not a big mw. understand now?

Posted September 19, 2013 10:08 am 


Public Enemy

SREDMOND – Canelo was no top 154lb anything, just a hype Job. old mosely gave canelo a similar boxing lesson. He fought Cotto after Cotto was permanently damaged by MargaCheato and his Bricks, afte Paquiao Hobbled Cotto with Catch Weights.. and still got tagged by old Cotto, he got wobbled by way past his prime old shot Mosely, he had an ugly boring fight with Guerrrero not even a top 10 fighter.. just a long string of shot, old, worn, C level opponents.. nothing great at all..

Posted September 19, 2013 10:07 am 


PEEJ

Who did he run away from? Negative, he retired, thought he was ready to leave and he realized he wasn’t ready to leave so he came back. Oh and dominated Marquez who was a P4P fighter. He made that look easy. No fighter has ever been able to do that to Marquez.

Posted September 19, 2013 10:06 am 


PEEJ

Umm look at Floyds resume. He stepped up from 130 and fought the best in Castillo at 135. The first fight was controversial to people so he rematched him and clearly beat him. He beat Castillo, a fighter who was a beast and knocking everybody out. He called out Mosley and Oscar in there primes and they both ignored Floyd. He rose to 140 and had a couple fights there. Then went to 147 where he is king and he has just now won the Middleweight Championship from a young hungry undefeated fighter.

Posted September 19, 2013 10:05 am 


Public Enemy

PEEJ – FLOYD ran for the Hills to avoid the top guys at his weight class and stayed away for 2 years while those guys beat each other up.. That was a punkass move and cowardly.. hardly anything a Great Boxer would do..

Posted September 19, 2013 10:03 am 


SREDMOND

Death Star, stop pretending you weigh Golovkin everyday… Floyd Mayweather might as well retire at this point he beat the Top 154 pounder in the world and took his 0 in the process… H beat Cotto, BEFORE Trout and he did it coming up in weight when Cotto had a strap…There is always gonna be “another guy” I suspect Floyd who can barely weigh 150 the night of the bout will finish his career at WW and retire with his brains intact… Those who don’t respect his career are BOT gonna respect it anymore because of a particular boxer…”Martinez will be called too old, GGG too drained at 154, Garcia too small” it simply does not matter… Floyd has proven invincible over a span of time no active boxer can compete with… So putting aside an opponent that’s simply WAYYYY too big no ones gonna really be given a shot before the fight…

Posted September 19, 2013 10:00 am 


Public Enemy

Gabriel Rosado just stepped up and fought GGG at 160lbs, refused an offer of a catch weight. he fought hard and rocked GGG, lost in the end but that was a Great Attempt by a Fighter.. Tito Trinidad at his peak moved up to fight Middleweight King Bernard Hopkins at 160lbs no catch weight BS.. DAnny Garcia just stepped up and took on avoided Lucas Matthyesse unbeaten KO king, definitely the underdog, When has Floyd anything even close to that?

Posted September 19, 2013 10:00 am 


PEEJ

A lot of the fighters he has fought where all on the P4P list. Just go back to his last few fights. The only exception is Ortiz, he was no P4P fighter. And all the fighters he has where also coming off very good wins

Posted September 19, 2013 9:59 am 


PEEJ

Floyd hasn’t run from anybody at 147. Williams couldn’t stay in one weight class to get a shot. Margacheato is a cheater and never deserved a shot in the first place. Those are the only 2 fighters people can come up with to say he ducked at 147. Please.

Posted September 19, 2013 9:58 am 


Public Enemy

Give me just one Great fight Floyd has had in over a decade that wasn’t against an older, damaged, shot fighter that was a top P4P best.. just one..

Posted September 19, 2013 9:57 am 


PEEJ

When GGG actually makes 154 then we can start talking about a fight with him. But the fact is nobody knows him out side of hard core boxing fans and if the fight is gonna be on PPV he has to have a good following. GGG is gonna run 160. But he has never made 154 in his pro career. People say Canelo was weight drained even though he weight in at 153 when he fought Trout. People say Dawson was weight drained at 168 when he used to fight at 168 and he said he could make the weight easily. GGG gonna come to 154 and fight Floyd, get beat and then people will say he was weight drained. Until he makes 154, the fight will probably not happen unless Floyd decides to fight at 160

Posted September 19, 2013 9:56 am 


Public Enemy

Floyd is a coward, sorry but that is a fact.. When his weight division had many unbeaten and trully dangerous opponents instead of jumping in there and cleaning out the division he chose to run for the Hills and RETIRE??? no different then a soldier who runs off of the Battlefield in the heat of Battle to hide in the Bushes and then come out after the Battle is over and fights any remaining hobbled injured opponents… None of the Greats in Boxing ever Ran from the top opponents of their Time.. They fought them win or lose..

Posted September 19, 2013 9:54 am 


Death Star

he mayweather lovers say ggg is a big mw. a big mw who only walks around at 7-8 lbs the division limit he fights in? and up until a last november, probably even more recently, walked around at 161-162 lbs. a big mw whose absolute all time heaviest weight scaled 170 lbs, which was a one off, that’s less than canelo weighed against trout and 2 lbs less than what he walked into camp for the mayweather fight. mayweather lovers proven wrong yet again.

they say ggg will be too weak at 154, but canelo who weighed 172 against trout and walks around at a heavier weight than ggg was not weight drained when he fought mayweather? lolz please make some kind of attempt to be consistent in order to make my job at least a little challenging, even a token attempt would force me to stop and think for a second or two until i saw through it.

they say mayweather will beat ggg easily, ggg’s style won’t work against mayweather. castillo did pretty good against him. he kicked his ass. rofl. because ggg is just a crude banger, no? he’s too slow, he’ll be chasing shadows all night? well it should be an easy win for mayweather then, no? then why not fight him then? actually screw the catchweight if it’s going to be so easy, let mayweather come up to 160 and win a belt in another division if it’ll be such a breeze. that would really be something special, yeah? taking a big, big risk like the real legends who came before him did for kicks and giggles. a much bigger risks than mayweather has ever dared to take. legends who fought and beat great fighters who were in their prime for kicks and giggles.

Like billy conn who turned pro at 135 (no amateur experience) and 7 years later, after moving his way up through the divisions, and fighting and beating all manner of legends, hall of famers, great fighters, despite being outweighed by 30 lbs he jumped at the chance to fight the legendary joe louis, arguably the greatest of all time and a terrifying puncher with both hands who used to bowl over the greatest hws of his day like they were emaciated children dragged off hospital wards, some of whom were 240 to 260 lb giants, and they were very good giants not big bums. there aren’t any more terrifying prospects a fighter can face than seeing a prime joe louis standing in the opposite corner to them. speed, pinpoint accuracy, and bone crunching power in either fist. one more time, conn was 30 lbs lighter than louis. if little billy conn can face louis at hw then why not mayweather ggg if he’s so great?

Posted September 19, 2013 9:54 am 


Death Star

harry greb started out at ww and fought and beat gene tunney at hw.

sam langford beat joe gans at lightweight and beat harry wills, joe jeanette and sam mcvey at hw

roy jones started out at 154 and beat ruiz at hw

henry armstrong held the featherweight, lightweight, and welterweight simultaneously (in the era of only 8 divisions) and fought the mw champion to a draw

duran started out at bantam/super bantamweight and beat iran barkley who was a gigantic mw.

thomas hearns started out at 147 and beat vigil hill at lh and went up to cw and was still knocking mofos out

billy conn started out at lightweight and came very close to beating the absolutely murderous punching wonderful hw, arguably the greatest, joe louis

mickey walker started out at about 144 lbs and fought legends all the way from ww to hw, big hws and very hard punching ones

Georges Carpentier started out at 147 and fought legendary fighters right up to hw

but mayweather the self-proclaimed greatest of all time can’t fight small mw golovkin who will weigh an absolute maximum of a couple of lbs more than victor ortiz and canelo weighed against him but in actuality probably the same weight as them?

Posted September 19, 2013 9:52 am 


Death Star

ggg weighed in 158½ on the scales against simon, not sure what his fight night weight was. he would just have to lose 4 ½ lbs more to make 154. he said he can do it no problem. even if he had to come down from his heaviest weight ever he would still be losing less than fighters like roy jones, arturo gatti. joshua clottey among others all of whom rehydrated 20-21 lbs after the weigh in in some of their fights.

Posted September 19, 2013 9:50 am 


Done deal

None of the GREAT fighters named have the defense, footwork, accuracy, or intelligence of P F regardless of generation. The only skill they posses over Floyd is power. We all have seen how far power gets you in ring with Floyd.

Posted September 19, 2013 9:45 am 


Anonymous

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Posted September 19, 2013 9:45 am 


Death Star

ggg walks around at 167-168 lbs, the highest he’s ever weighed is 170 lbs, up until last november he walked around at 161-162 lbs. canelo weighed 172 lbs against trout, started camp for mayweather at 172 lbs too, and weighed 165 lbs on fight night against mayweather. victor ortiz weighed 164 lbs against mayweather. ggg weighs about 167-168 lbs (the highest was 170 but that was a one off) on fight night (these are recent weights i’m not sure what he was weighing on the night before that, but i think it would be less

ggg was 158½ lbs against lajuan simon, simon had never been stopped or off his feet before, going the 12 round distance against prime mw banger arthur abraham, ibf champ sebastian sylvester, who despite his not too impressive ko percentage could bang a bit, columbian banger dionisio miranda who hurt peter quillin, and dangerous journeyman darnell boone who ko’d adonis stevenson in 2, floored and badly hurt andre ward, and dropped sergey kovalev

2 minutes into the first round and one exquisite lethal left uppercut later simon is laying flat on his back wondering what the hell had just happened, unable to pick himself off the canvas, simultaneously suffering both the first knockdown and knockout loss of his career.

Posted September 19, 2013 9:43 am 


Anonymous

DONT COMPARE THESE PRIMA DONNA”S OF TODAY WITH THE REAL LEGENDS.

Posted September 19, 2013 9:42 am 


Done deal

He will retire at 49-0-0 and will still have ignorant fans hating on him. Glad y’all don’t have a say so in where he will stand in history. Guarantee he will be top 3.

Posted September 19, 2013 9:40 am 


PEEJ

Floyds resume is the greatest of this generation, he is the greatest boxer of this generation. There really is nobody from 154 on down that can beat him. Yes there will always be haters but that is how you know you have made it. They have to bring up fighters from the past that say he couldn’t beat but yet no way to prove. They try to bring fighters from today who say he couldn’t beat but have come up with excuses on why not to fight him. Floyd is just that good.

Posted September 19, 2013 9:38 am 


Done deal

To say that PBF is not great is to say that there has not been a great fighter in the past 2 decades in any division. He is indeed THE ONE. Skill wise and résumé wise. Ask your self who compares using facts and not opinion.

Posted September 19, 2013 9:38 am 


Death Star

i was watching one of ggg’s fights the other day and i realized as i was looking at the hbo graphic of the mw picture and of all the main players they had on their line up that every single one of them had either blatantly ducked ggg, been avoiding him, even publicly admitting they weren’t keen on the fight, and/or been worked over in sparring by him. the main players were:

sergio martinez – neither he or his promoter wants anything to do with ggg. lou dibella went from saying who is ggg (the wba champion), he doesn’t deserve a fight against sergio, he has no name (but sergio fought dzinziruk, barker, macklin, barker) matthew mackilin will beat ggg, ggg is going to have to go through hell to beat mack the knife, but if he does beat him i promise you can have sergio ggg,

then ggg ko3 (with ease), known blood and guts warrior macklin reduced to a mouse in seconds after tasting one ggg right hand, breaks mack’s rib with a body shot, 25 year veteran of the sport dibella says that’s one of the best body shot’s i’ve ever seen, you could hear how loud it was from ringside, only roy jones body shot against hill was better, ggg is a beast! he’s going to destroy so many guys, we’ve found the new mw succesor, i’m not sticking sergio in there with him. sergio is out for a year no way i’m sticking him in with a guy like that!

julio cesar chavez jr – ggg embarrassed him in sparring

felix sturm – his ducking of ggg is on par with mayweather ducking pacquiao, a display of disgraceful cowardice of the highest order. ggg was his mandatory challenger for years but sturm found a way to wriggle out of the fight everytime.

daniel geale – former ggg amateur victim, vacated his title to avoid ggg, fought mundine instead, i understand it was a lucrative option but he gave up his belt to avoid ggg

dmitry pirog – pulled out of a big fight against ggg, but to be fair was legitimately injured

peter quillin – ggg worked him over in sparring, has publicly expressed his reluctance to fight ggg, don’t believe his claims to the contrary, you’d have to be blind and brain dead not to sense the trepidation on his part.

and we can add

hassan n’dam n’Jikam – sturmesque type ducking of ggg. at least four times they tried to make that fight, n’jikam wanted absolutely nothing to do with ggg, even gave up his wba interim belt. even long time fans of his on forums were saying things like ”this is the most blatant duck ever”

anthony mundine – turned down a vacant wba title shot against ggg, in australia lolz, said he had bigger fish to fry only to then go and fight ryan waters and garth wood. ggg team said this beforehand:

“We will fight Mundine on his home turf and win the title in Australia if he decides to show up,” stated Gotzev. “We don’t care if we fight in his backyard. Let his family be the judges. When Gennady Golovkin hits him with either hand, nothing else will matter. He will knock Mundine out!”

martin murray – ggg’s team made him a big offer after he ‘beat’ sergio martinez, murray said he had not been approached, ggg:

“My first choice was Murray,” Golovkin told World Boxing News.
“My team have tried everything to get Martin for my next fight. This is boxing though and if somebody doesn’t want to fight you cannot force them to.”

Golovkin’s manager Oleg Hermann added: “I can not believe (his claim) that he did not get any information from his team at Hatton Promotions.
“Murray should really think of some new excuse as it’s really boring, what he is saying.
“If a fighter is not ready to fight, he should say ‘I need more time’ or ‘I need more fights first’ and not try to find new excuses every day.
“We had the same story with Felix Sturm, Hassan N’Dam and Daniel Geale, plus some other fighters.
“If an opponent wants to fight Gennady then the fight will happen, if they don’t want this fight, then every day you hear new excuses.”

murray’s promoter ricky hatton, contrary to what murray says (maybe hatton is the one keeping murray away from ggg) admitted an offer had been made.

darren barker’s promoter eddie hearn publicly admitted they wanted nothing to do with ggg. how it would be a really bad idea to put barker in there with him and one that he had no intention of doing unless they absolutely had to

how do you beat ggg?

darren barker: ”take a baseball bat in the ring”

martin murray: ”lolz, yes take a baseball bat in the ring”

so please cut the talk about ggg not fighting anyone. he’s the most ducked fighter in the sport bar none and people have been ducking him for years.

Posted September 19, 2013 9:34 am 


brownshell

I don’t care about era’s. Floyd is the greatest all around boxer of all time.
I’ve seen Robinson, Ali, SRL etc. Floyd’s style and ability would give them all trouble!!!!!

Posted September 19, 2013 9:15 am 


GhettoWizzard

It has to be considered too that Floyd has fough under much more favorable circumstances than the greats before him.

Posted September 19, 2013 9:14 am 


GhettoWizzard

Hes the best fighter of this generation, but best does not mean greatest. I think Marquez or Pacquiao may be “greater” even if Floyd is “better”. Its all a matter of opinion. If someone says SRR is the greatest of all time, there are few question marks, so it sits well and few challenge that. If someone says Floyd is, someone will ask what about SRR, Pep, Armstrong, Duran, Ali, etc. almost every time. Floy is great. I have him in the top 20 ever, toward the very bottom of the list, which is not a bad thing.

Posted September 19, 2013 9:13 am 


Froch’s Watches

We have a saying in the UK – a good big ‘un always beats a good little ‘un. Floyd is an all time great. His all round skills at lower weights and defensive skills since the Castillo fights can’t be denied. Saying that he’s better than the likes of SRL, Hagler etc is some people’s opinion. Saying that he’d beat SRL or Hagler (as examples) is just crazy. SRL started out at the weight that Floyd moved up to (but didn’t carry his KO power up to). Hagler fought his career at a higher weight. Yes, Floyd is brilliant but fighting against someone just as good as him but much bigger and stronger would only end one way, with them taking 10 shots of Floyd’s on the way in, being too strong for him to hold off and landing heavier blows than Floyd would ever receive fighting someone his own size. We don’t go around claiming that RJJ would beat Ali at Heavyweight, why would we make a similar claim (as some have) that Floyd could beat Hagler at Middleweight?!

Posted September 19, 2013 9:06 am 


Todd spengo

That boy good! Still needs to fight PAC for the sake of boxing

Posted September 19, 2013 8:42 am 


Hendo

Haimat, you are saying GGG has fought many great fighters???!! if you are calling “C” class fighters great, than, you sir are talking nonsense.

Go to GGG boxrec and you’ll see that he has NOT fought any of the top 10 fighters in his division. Please talk facts!!!

You want TBE to fight a boxer who is two division higher than him? If TBE is not that good than why you want to put him in a disadvantage??!!

Tell you GGG to come down where the money is (millions) at 147 Lbs… TBE will be happy to give him a boxing lesson, from a really great fighter who is at his prime…. and not those C class fighter who are not top 10 in the middleweight division who you are calling great.

Posted September 19, 2013 8:41 am 


larry b

Couple of years ago I called floyd a coward for ducking pac and that he is not the real deal. I can honestly say that i was wrong and there is simply no one out there that can beat him right now

Posted September 19, 2013 8:39 am 


RAYGORDONREID

NOT

Posted September 19, 2013 8:35 am 


Rye

You cannot be held in the same breath as Ali, SRR, Duran…even the likes of modern great like Barerra, manny and Morales. These are guys who fight anyone, not using themselves as a commercial figure and playing it safe. Requesting drug testing (which is already in place by the sanctioning bodies) fighting featherweights, requesting fighters to drop in weight to gain advantages. Just sign the contract, fight at the correct weight limit and give the fans a great fight. Thats all we ask.

Posted September 19, 2013 8:33 am 


Haimat

urone2, so 3G is a plodder? Then Floyd should have no problems fighting him once HBO has built him up enough for it to be the most lucrative fight for Floyd at that time.

I live in the real world where a fighter like Floyd would get beaten up and I dare say exposed against a strong, precise punching, great boxer like GGG.

GGG has faced hundreds of great boxers and movers like Floyd. He knows how to cut the ring off as opposed to young Canelo with 35 amateur fights down in Mexico. Floyd could do the shrimp all night long against Golovkin and he’d end up losing an extremely boring fight. If he choses to exchange, he gets KTFO.

GGG won’t just win 3 rounds against Floyd like Canelo did. He’d end up winning 10 rounds and dominating all 12.

Posted September 19, 2013 8:31 am 


Rye

As does TJ

Posted September 19, 2013 8:30 am 


Rye

Public Enemy makes a great point

Posted September 19, 2013 8:30 am 


Kalie

Floyd is lucky he fought in the era of nobodys. One fighter that could of beat him was Paqman with his lateral movement and punches from nowhere. He’s lucky he didn’t fight Chavez Sr.

Posted September 19, 2013 8:23 am 


TJ

THE TRUTH WHY FLOYD can not be mentioned as the GREATEST OF ALL TIME is because IMHO most (90%) of the boxers of today are NOT IN THE SAME LEAGUE as their predecessors of the 1980s…

Check the rankings for any division between 1980-1985 and you will see the strength in depth of all the divisions and the great men who proudly wore the championships and defended them 3 or 4 times a year!

FLOYD’s is a marketing strategy that people have bought into… He even followed in the footsteps of the GREATEST, WALKER SMITH by going on DANCING WITH THE STARS…..emulating what Walker did in his retirement years!!!!

This is a product of the age we live in, where we need to use social media and anything else to get us “out there” and with an angle that will sell.

I personally believe FLOYD would have beaten all those men people say he DUCKED, AVOIDED whatever…. The Cottos, PUNISHERS (please can someone tell me who that midget Lightweight was that Punisher struggled against, before finally stopping him -I think he was from Tonga or somewhere?), TONY’S etc…. etc…..

The truth is can you really imagine COTTO, MARGARITO, CANELO, ODLH ETC… really standing any chance against the likes of ROBINSON, LAMOTTA, BASILIO, ZALE, JULIAN JACKSON, HEARNS, McCALLUM, SRL, DURAN, HAGLER or today’s best going up against BOB FOSTER, MONZON, JOE GANS, MONTGOMERY, SADDLER, WILLIAMS the list goes on?????????

Most boxers today have all the benefits that the greats of yesteryear did not have incl. advantages in science and nutrition, internet, DVD and VHS to study their opponents, better living standards, more protection, 24-36 hour weigh-ins, better protection from refs etc… etc… promoters who steer them to title bouts without having to face numerous matches against the best of their eras before they even get a title shot…..

All this and YET, the old school fighters IMHO would wipe the floor with most if not all of the current crop of fighters….
They were HUNGRY, DETERMINED, had GREAT TRAINERS like Ray Arcel, Eddie Futch and more, learned old school, fought the best regularly and had more heart and desire….

The amateur system since 1988 SEOUL has not helped the progression of the professional boxer one bit- in fact it has hindered them IMHO…. Look at the likes of AUDLEY HARRISON for instance….

EVEN if FLOYD BEATS THEM all, these guys are not on his level and would not have been on the level of THE FAB FOUR or those that came before them….

THIS IS THE REAL REASON WHY HE CAN NOT BE CALLED THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME….

Even ROGER MAYWEATHER will tell you this…. He told me the same thing in one of our long conversations about the history of boxing…..

Posted September 19, 2013 8:18 am 


Haimat

Vivek loves Floyd Mayweather and everything about him more than anything else in the world. His love for Floyd, his lifestyle, his nuts, his whole being is greater than his love of the almighty God.

Let’s all take a minute and think about the greatness of Vivek’s love of Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Posted September 19, 2013 8:16 am 


urone2

Public Enemy,

Why don’t you check some history yourself and see than in their prime all of the fighters you mentioned turned down fights with Mayweather. You simply want to bash Mayweather because you don’t like him. Then people make stupid comments like he should fight 3G or Martinez 160 lbs fighter when Mayweather doesn’t even make the 154 lbs weight class. Mayweather has fought all of his 154 lb fight at 150 on fight night. People state Mayweather should dare to be great, you guy should dare to be not stupid. Another thing 3G has done nothing in the 160 lbs class but beat lower tier fighters, but because he has power he has the ability to beat Mayweather, I think not. 3G VS Mayweather would end with the same arguement from the same guys. 3G was weak from coming down to 154, 3G was too slow that’s why Floyd took the fight. Yeah I’ll call it right here right now if 3G Vs Mayweather is made my money is going on the Money Man. 3G is a slower plodder than Canelo and I don’t consider Canelo to be a plodder but 3G is.

Posted September 19, 2013 8:13 am 


Happyboy

The Voice of Reason – What reason does Manny have to refuse the drug test, & the $40M, please voice that.

Posted September 19, 2013 8:04 am 


Mbuyiseli

Yes we’ve heard it before Floyd cherry picks. Then why keep watching a cherry picker? Why not tune in to HBO since they doing the Top Rank re-run speacials. Donaire is first. HBO best boxer doesn’t get a fight. His promoter won’t promote him since he schooled his cash cow. May next year Floyd will fight Martinez. He just keep proving you haters wrong all the time.

Posted September 19, 2013 7:47 am 


Mbuyiseli

LOL – how different is Floyd to the uncle sam? People lose jobs their homes, savings everything but then the US government uses tax-payers money to bail out investment banks. Who happen to have lost the tax payers money whom happen to have lost everything. Guess what the very same morons who lost the masses savings etc etc get paid huge bonuses using the very same money which is from the tax-payers given to them by uncle sam. So please calm the hell down, Mayweather is an angel compared to those morons who run the US.

Posted September 19, 2013 7:41 am 


Buttin Mouth

The question is would Mayweather dare to be the GOAT by defeating GGG?

Posted September 19, 2013 7:39 am 


Buttin Mouth

Surely Roy Jones would be considered by most boxing fans to be more gifted than Mayweather.

Posted September 19, 2013 7:38 am 


No balls

Floyd addmitted in all accsess episode that they built up canelo to be something he is not just so he can beat him and all of you will pay to see it. He was actually stupid enough to say that. Floyd dont take fights he cant win everybody should know that his next fight will be against somebody who just had a good win but is actually shot or crap.

Posted September 19, 2013 7:37 am 


pie chucker

ithink it could be argued that Floyd possesses the greatest skillset in history, but is Floyd the greatest in history? I don’t think so, his “retirement” after bashing hatton was utterly disgraceful, his division was choc-a-block full of talent (all of which I believe he would have crushed) however he “retired”. he just simply has too many names missing from his resume to be considered the GOAT. as much as vivek likes to dismiss this fact by pointing out that Floyd would probably have won anyway, we will simply never know…….oh yeah and I cant stand Floyd, but my jaw drops when I watch him box, by far the greatest ive ever witnessed

Posted September 19, 2013 7:33 am 


Parch-1

PAC was called a God when he beat a bunch of has Beens and fought at catch weights.

Posted September 19, 2013 7:29 am 


Parch-1

Floyd said it him self, they’ll never give him his just dues.

Posted September 19, 2013 7:26 am 


James Blond

Floyd is a pygmy who fights midgets. He is only interesting if you have nothing else. I prefer real men boxing not this short stop with a mean streak when it comes to women.

Posted September 19, 2013 7:16 am 


The Dig

I see where you’re coming from and I don’t know if Floyd could spank all of history’s greats -I’d like to think not (think I naturally elevate the historic greats) – but I cannot construct a tight enough argument to support it. However argueing ‘not losing’ as a negative is warped logic when you break it down. “You’re great but you’re not as great as boxer A from history cos he lost and came back better and you haven’t lost so I don’t know if you would come back better”

Posted September 19, 2013 7:10 am 


jimmy

for me his best win is corrales and hes done nothin to better tht wins against margo, williams, prime 147 unbeaten cotto n pac in 09 would hv put him in most top tens maybe even top fives he cld mke up for up by goin up to mw n beatin martinez which i think he would do

Posted September 19, 2013 7:09 am 


Anonymous

Great writing!

Posted September 19, 2013 6:33 am 


Beej

IMO, PBF’s defining moment, IMO, is likely Corrales or Castillo II with his place in history likely to firmly be as * the pre-eminent ‘pure’ boxer of his generation and ATG.*

That said, greater delving will reveal a guy (who at his heavier weight classes) put legacy aside to persue ‘Hollywood’ match-ups that earned the biggest purses for the least chance of being defeated…

Now, I can understand that…and as beautiful as his ‘exhibition’ was at the weekend (and it was great to see him razor -sharp after back -to back fights!) just don’t try selling me match -ups that insinuate he’s about to fight a combination of Godzilla, King kong and The Hulk.

Posted September 19, 2013 5:51 am 


Beej

The writer plainly bought into the Canelo hype. A few simple basic questions (who had Canelo fought, when, how had he beaten them etc. – nevernind his average work-rate and low ‘live’ boxer KO %) would have revealed why he had a very low chance of winning here! Of course, TMT KNEW all this, anyway. Lol.

Posted September 19, 2013 5:49 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

We’ll see if he’s great enough to defend his 3 MAJOR 154lbs titles vs. the very best in the world who can make weight at that division (3G, Lara, Trout, Vanes) or even the best WWs (PacMan, Broner, Garcia).

If FMJ doesn’t choose to fight the very best from that list for his final 5 fights, he’s selling himself short and tarnishing his own legacy forever.
Real talk.

Posted September 19, 2013 5:40 am 


The Truth Hurts

Maybe if he won the 154lb titles fighting at the weight of 154lbs it might actually mean something. He will always be a ducker of prime fighters and a catchweight coward.

Posted September 19, 2013 5:14 am 


lol

great boxer BUT far from “a great”. Muhammed ali stood for freedom of his people, and the rest. Mayweather stands for money, getting richer whislt the rest of the world live in poverty or struggle to make ends meet. representing money and being greedy will never make you “a great”. A great for me is not only a great boxer but a great ambassador and a great person all round. mayweather so far ticks 1 of the 3 boxes for being a great.

Posted September 19, 2013 5:12 am 


De Lima I.

Nice article!

Posted September 19, 2013 5:11 am 


curtley

Vivek I have always been a critic of fighters but agree what we saw from Mayweather at the weekend was amazing I do believe he is potentially as good as anyone in history but has to my mind not proved it yet, let me elaborate. Floyd is as you have often pointed out all about perfection, but it is this perfection that to me stops him entering the realms of the Robinsons, Duran’s, Armstrongs and Greb’s at the very top of the ATG list. These fighters lost a few but weirdly it is these losses that for me elevate them as they occurred due to taking unthinkable risks. Armstrong was the true champion at featherweight, welterweight and middle weight (a feat probably never to be matched again) at a time when there was not a ridiculous number of divisions there is now, Ray Robinson was champ at Welter and middleweight but his great achievement was pushing the man at Light Heavy (Maxim) all the way and only losing due to heat exhaustion. My personal favourite Duran was virtually unbeatable (in my eyes) at Lightweight and went on to beat Leonard at Welter and eventually gave Hagler all he could handle at middle and beat the huge Barkley when he himself was naturally smaller than Floyd. Now these fighters lost due to taking on seemingly impossible challenges and often (in the case of Duran) not being as professional and prepared as he should have been. Floyd has undoubtedly taken on and beaten some top class fighters but has he ever been an underdog? This is partly due to him being so much better than his opponents but has also been down to excellent management. Not fighting Manny in 2008 (whoevers fault this was) when I would have called the fight 50-50 will always be a question mark as was not facing Kostya (although in fairness Floyd was in the early stages of his career when the fearsome Russian was at his peak) also the other 2 greats in Oscar and Mosley were definitely past their best. I agree with the comments re Margarito and Williams as Floyd would have spanked them all day. To my mind Floyd is a modern great but if he does step up to MW and beat Martinez (the fight could be made tomorrow) he will be elevated to the level of the immortals of the sport.

Posted September 19, 2013 5:07 am 


CurlyQ.Howard

Well, I sure knew that Canelo did not stand a chance, and I stated that fact on this site time and again.

Posted September 19, 2013 5:02 am 



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