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TARK

Old Coot.., “No matter what Floyd will always find a “reason” not to fight the Pacman!”

Pacman is the guy who refused to agree to terms for several years… Now Pacman HAS agreed to all terms, and China is an attractive venue… So the fight will take place IF Pacman can engineer a win over Rios.

Posted September 30, 2013 3:19 pm 


Pratt: say pratt like rat you numb skulls

Floyd’s Sunday punch is as bad as Tysons Ear Bite, in my opinion.

Posted September 29, 2013 1:52 pm 


Pratt like a pratt

anonymous=afraid to show his moniker: Floid was able to defend his self against Ortiz head butts and Ortiz aggression, but the Sunday Punch was uncalled for since Ortiz had his gloves down by choice, in apology. Floid is a pric for his Sunday Punch and I will never give him any creds since that CHEAP SHOT. And Floid will avoid Manny. Because Manny is fast and has aggression also. Hey “How About A Nice Hawaiian Punch”…………………..BWAM !! Floid Avoids the Man. But maybe if he can Sunday Punch Manny he will accept a fight. You never know, at weigh in he may cop a Hawaiian Punch. Floyd the Sunday Puncher. Hey pal, “Hows about a nice Hawaiian Punch”……………………………BLAM!!!!

Posted September 29, 2013 1:50 pm 


Old Coot

Floyd is a good righter, but he’s more of a brilliant conman than a GREAT fighter… In choosing Cotto, he sorta spooked himself. So you see what he did afterwards. Went right back to picking a total lead foot in Guerrero, and then a relative lead foot in Canelo. But I guarantee you this… No matter what he will always find a “reason” not to fight the Pacman!

Posted September 29, 2013 2:21 am 


Old Coot

I said in June that Canelo had a power puncher’s shot to win, but that he was too slow footed to be able to aggress Floyd effectively.

Posted September 29, 2013 2:17 am 


TARK

Stats mean nothing in the absence of knowledge about styles and skills.. For instance… Boxtra predicted Donaire would beat Rigondeaux.. Oosthuiszen would beat Gonzales… Matthysse would KO Garcia… and posting as LikeISeeIt… Cloud would beat Stevenson.

Posted September 29, 2013 1:59 am 


TARK

I constantly predicted Floyd would win and should be an 8:5 favorite… I never once said Canelo would win so Idiot Ernie is simply a Lying POS

Posted September 29, 2013 1:53 am 


Boxtradamus

Also IF most just looked at the styles and made their assesment instead of using the stats that shows you why I’m the GREATEST and they’re not. Because I used FACT and they used OPINION..

Posted September 28, 2013 11:06 pm 


Boxtradamus

Herron says…” Boxtra,That is the biggest load of caca I’ve ever heard…LOL!!Most people made that assessment without the use of stats, brother…simply by looking at styles.”…LMFAO. Of COURSE its the biggest load of caca you ever heard. Just as when someone starts rambling off in Chinese its the biggest load of caca I ever heard TOO because I can’t understand it…YOU don’t have the ability to interpret stats the way that I DO SO the stats will CONTINUE to be a big load of caca to YOU. Go take a STAT INTERPRETATION class. Then the stats may become as useful to YOU as they are to ME.

Posted September 28, 2013 11:03 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

No, you constantly predicted an upset by Canelo. Same ol bs from the liar…

Posted September 28, 2013 7:46 pm 


TARK

He uses his own style Sredmond… And he beat the best available lightweight, jumped 2 divisions and is now a 3 Division World Champion. Most boxers who have accomplished things like that have historically been called great … He may become “ungreat” but now he’s on a good ride. He’s have to fall on his face to wipe out what he’s already accomplished … Khan is a boxer who is NOT great..

Nathan Cleverly was an undefeated World Champion — but not great.

Posted September 28, 2013 7:26 pm 


lionhard

Tarky Tark….How is Broner GREAT just yet? I agree with Malinaggi, Broner hasnt faced anyone significant just yet! I think he’s getting that ranking from you due to the fact he’s using Mayweathers style pretty effectively and he displays a confidence that just wont quit. I think he needs to fight a Garcia type caliber fighter, THEN probably we can throw that “GREAT” towards him! Great fighters MENTAL makeup are their greatest asset in the ring, discouragement NEVER sets in, confusion is another negative that doesnt exist, or seem to not exist when they get hit SOLID unexpectedly, or seem to be losing a battle! They simply continue to pile on the points or go for the KO as though on mission! Theyre still able to “think” with pressure!! Broners gotta display that with a guy that can FIGHT, against one that has absolutely NO RESPECT for him in that ring!

GGG hasnt fought any significant foe either, GGG looks like a terror because EVERY single punch he lands on his opposition seems to make them slowly crumble or look like paralysis is quickly setting. it also seems like those punches land where theyre SUPPOSE to, with ALL of em’ hurting badly! Guaranteed, not every opponent is gonna let him get away with that! When he cant land consistently enough – what is he gonna do!? What is he gonna do against a genuine “mover?!” He DOES seem like a great puncher with aggressive fundamental form – intimidating….but I dont see anything else thats so “GREAT” just yet! I thought Kostya Tszyu was great (I thought he used that stand up european style effectively with hard punches and good footwork – to me he made it cool!) even though Vince Phillips toyed with him like he was an amateur (like you said, a GREAT can lose but still be great), GGG seems to have a similiar style, so MAYBE he’ll follow in his footsteps and turn out GREAT, at least in my eyes anyways,… but Tark, not just yet…..your kids were probably the recipient of a lot of affirmation, praise and adoration….they deserve it!….not Broner OR GGG just yet…..give it some time…..imo.

Posted September 28, 2013 4:46 pm 


TARK

I also think Broner is great.., He’s not as great as GGG or Kovalev, but he’s an undefeated 3-Division World Champion who’s been matched brilliantly so far.. If he meets somebody the caliber of Danny Garcia or Luca Matthysse, he’s going to have problems..

But nowadays if anyone beats you you’re no longer great… Standards have changed from the “glory days” of Ali and the clowns.

Posted September 28, 2013 2:57 pm 


TARK

Golovkin and Kovalev are both great fighters… I said Nathan Cleverly was another Calzaghe long BEFORE he fought Sergei Kovalev… He was 27-0 but I said he was an easy-to-hit face-first brawler who would get knocked out early by SK… I say Martinez gets knocked out if he fights Grennady Golovkin. This will happen.

I said Floyd Mayweather was a great fighter when he had 12 fights.. Right after his fight with Genaro Hernandez I said he was the best boxer ever in the history of boxing… A fighter doesn’t have to accomplish anything for an expert to see his potential..

Posted September 28, 2013 2:48 pm 


TARK

SREDMOND.., You’re an idiot.., Show me the post I EVER picked Canelo or Ortiz to win. I always had Floyd winning. Always said he was the GOAT … Always said he would beat Robinson, Leonard, Hearns, Duran, and everybody else in Fistic History at his weight.

If I point out that Leonard got badly outboxed and beaten by Terry Norris — you count that as an Ortiz pick??? I’m merely pointing out that a guy with one loss, who’s a World Welterweight Champion, and was the 1st guy to beat Andre Berto, wasn’t a cherry-pick for Floyd.

I pointed out that Ortiz had NO JAB many times in saying Floyd would have an easy time with him… But a lot of people like you say Floyd just fights soft touches and don’t give any of his opponents any credit.

Posted September 28, 2013 2:36 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, AS USUAL cannot simply accept that he was being led by his scrotum AGAIN predicting a win for Canelo… Again I saw him do this with Ortiz its simply too painful for this OLD curmudgeon to admit he gets WAY too hyped on NEW fighters… Thats why he is literally cumming all over himself discussing how GGG and Kovalev are “Great” when the truth is NEITHER accomplished as much as Broner who is NOT Great as of today… Neither Kovalev NOR GGG beat the BEST man at 160 or 175… But then again this FALSE prophet “Tark” has tried to sell Nathan Cleverly as a Joe Calzaghe equivalent…. Tarks a maniac and as long as bottom of the barrel posters like Bears are there to cheer him on via satellite from the nursing home this KOOK will continue is nonsense…

Posted September 28, 2013 1:47 pm 


TARK

Anonymou$.., You don’t have a brain.. I was looking for Floyd to win the fight with every post I made.. I made him and 8:5 favorite to win from the day the fight was made to the weigh-in.

Obviously Canelo was NOT going to get shredded, smashed, and KO’d — like a lot of Floydiots were saying.. He wasn’t another Ricky Hatton or Victor Ortiz.. Josesito Lopez stopped Ortiz but was run over, beaten up, and battered out by Canelo.. I knew Floyd was in for a 12-round fight with Canelo and gave my reasons.

The only surprise to me was how parched Canelo looked at the weigh-in.

Posted September 28, 2013 12:33 pm 


TARK

Idiot Ernie.., I never once predicted an upset by Canelo you LSOS…

Harsh Reality.., Yes it was a hot night.. Maxim fought the smarter fight considering the circumstances and stopped Robinson.. End of story.

Robinson didn’t want a rematch… and refused to fight Archie Moore.

Posted September 28, 2013 12:20 pm 


HARSH REALITY

Tark. Please stop lying about Joey Maxim vs Sugar Ray. Below is an excerpt taken from Wikipedia, which can be verified in any of the old boxing journals to prove you are a very pernicious liar.

The most famous fight of Maxim’s career was on June 25, 1952, when he made his second defense of his light heavyweight crown, against Sugar Ray Robinson at Yankee Stadium. The fight had originally been scheduled for June 23, but was postponed due to torrential rain. By the time the fight took place New York was in the midst of a record heat wave.
During the fight Robinson built up a large points lead over the champion, although Maxim began to come on later in the fight. Robinson gradually succumbed to hyperthermia and Maxim’s harder punches. He collapsed to the canvas at the end of the 13th round, but managed to stagger back to his corner. However, Robinson failed to answer the bell at the start of the 14th, even though he only had to remain on his feet to win the fight and Maxim won by a technical knockout. This was the only time that Robinson was stopped in his 201-fight career.
By this time the original referee, Ruby Goldstein, had himself been forced to retire from the fight after collapsing into the ropes complaining that he could no longer continue. This meant that a substitute referee, Ray Miller, had to be called out to finish the fight. Goldstein and Robinson were not the only people who had to be stretchered from the stadium: several dozen spectators also collapsed during the fight. Between them, the two fighters lost over 20 pounds in weight during the fight.

HARSH REALITY

Posted September 28, 2013 7:23 am 


Anonymous

Carl Pratt = idiot. Ortiz head butted Mayweather on more than one occasion and in all honesty deserved a beatdown, because he was deliberately trying to get DQ’d, so he could go home with a big payday, but karma caught up with his *** and left him on the deck, looking up at the stars. Two wrongs don’t make a right, but if you are a moron, you will always be a moron and Carl, you are both a moron and you are a pratt!
FACT!

Posted September 28, 2013 7:15 am 


Anonymou$

Canelo is more likely to stop Floyd. He has a 20% chance. Floyd has a 5% chance, tops. The odds are 75% it’s a distance fight—and a breathtakingly suspenseful decision …. “THAAAHHH WIIINNNERRRR … AAAND

a breathtakingly suspenseful decision …. “THAAAHHH WIIINNNERRRR … AAAND

TARK, YOU MEANT CANELO!!! YOU MEANT CANELO!!!

Posted September 28, 2013 3:15 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

No, you constantly predicted an upset by Canelo. Same ol bs from the liar…

Posted September 28, 2013 2:32 am 


Carl Pratt

HardLion, FMJ Sunday punched Ortiz and that is all it there is to it. A cheap shot from a MOFO Sunday Puncher. Alvarez should have treated FMJ the same and KO’d him when he was defenseless. Ortiz got a cheap shot from a bastard who would not respect his opponent. He decked him when his hands were down for God sakes. He is a pric AH. That is my opinion of Floid-Avoid. He is the guy who walks up to you says, “Hey, how about a nice Hawaiian Punch”?……..Blam!

Posted September 27, 2013 11:15 pm 


lionhard

Hey Gomez, how many fighters has Mayweather fought with DOUBLE DIGIT losses?

Posted September 27, 2013 8:30 pm 


lionhard

Gomez, excuse the “text” style in my reply to you, the crux of it is still easily understood….youre a HATER!

You clearly think if SRR could somehow come back to life in his prime he wouldv somehow DEMOLISHED SRLeonard, Hagler, Duran, Hearns, Mugabi, Mayweather etc.??? In your eyes, Robinson could beat ANYONE in his chosen weight division, because he’s your HERO that youve come to love and admire!!?? With ALL that GRAINY footage of Robinson, PLEASE tell me what he has in his ARSENAL to CONFUSE & BEAT Mayweather!!??

Youre still an impressionable child that is STILL overwhelmed with his 1st ever sports hero! Your STUBBORN refusal to see the GREATNESS in Mayweather shows you still possess childlike WONDERMENT along with being a BIG BRAT! Its sweet, but its also BAD cuz its CLOUDING your BETTER JUDGMENT!

Why dont you LIST the DOUBLE DIGIT LOSSES of your heros opposition? Even those ranked #1….They can be easily located on line.

Your HATE is apparant!

Because, Mayweather hasnt had as many fights as your hero makes him less of a fighter?

Boxing has come a looong way since those hectic schedules of fighting all the time for PENNIES! LESS fights a year make for better training, better prepation, better promotion, and more time to recoup. Why should MORE fights a year make for a BETTER fighter – thats PRIMITIVE – especially if fighters have families to take care of!

Robinson had some personal demons that were most likely a result of him having to turn on his fight mode umpteen times a year then go home and try to be civil….almost like a correction officer in “work” mode trying to subdue it for when he gets home to deal with his wife and kids! The guy died BROKE! Gomez, are you concerned with future fighters payroll for their futures?

With his UNIQUE style AND MENTAL FORTITUDE that he has PERFECTED, Mayweather would have CONFUSED the LIVING DAYLIGHT out of SRRs opposition! He couldve been 120 and 0 easily!! Gomez does that HURT!!?? Mayweathers promotional style and training is the DIGITAL version of how a fighter should be in ANY ERA!…..your ANALOG version of fighting multiple times a year is PLAYED OUT and NOT practical!!

Mayweather AND Robinson are TIMELESS, what they have IS truly TIMELESS….they wouldv been champs in ANY ERA, we’re BLESSED to have them when we did!! Try to SEE that Gomez and not let your “HATE” TAKE OVER!!! Mayweather a “BUM”….really?

Posted September 27, 2013 8:01 pm 


B Red

Tark, your the one trick pony backtracker.

Posted September 27, 2013 6:56 pm 


Anonymou$

TARK wrote

Canelo boxes… He’s not a brawler like RG.
Canelo is more likely to stop Floyd. He has a 20% chance. Floyd has a 5% chance, tops. The odds are 75% it’s a distance fight—and a breathtakingly suspenseful decision …. “THAAAHHH WIIINNNERRRR … AAAND

Posted September 27, 2013 6:24 pm 


TARK

Sredmond.., “Tark, you are CHANGING your story the TRUTH is that YOU and Bears were predicting a win for Canelo” I did NO such thing.

Produce the post where I predicted Canelo would win… I said the people predicting a KO for Floyd—such as YOU—were out of their minds..

I also said the posters who predicted a KO for Canelo were wrong..

BOTH extremes were WRONG you moron… I always said Floyd should be favord 8:5 and would win a decision.. I even gave my score, predicting an outside score of 116-112 for Floyd.. A round off.

I didn’t nail the fight dead on the button.. I was one round off… But I was one HELL of a lot closer than you who predicted Floyd would shred and KO Canelo… That’s the prediction of an ignoramus.

Posted September 27, 2013 5:28 pm 


Gomez

Check Harry Greb’s resume as well, Greb was 100 times the fighter Mayweather is.

lionhard break that wall of text into paragraphs if you want me to respond to it.

The general gist of it is I’m a hater, right? No I’m just not a brainwashed buffoon or a clueless bigot like some of the other people posting in here.

Posted September 27, 2013 4:29 pm 


Gomez

I don’t recall saying SRR fought killers every time he stepped into a ring, his opposition blows Mayweather’s out of the water and then some. Mayweather never fought great fighters when they were in their prime, not once, never mind beat any. And SRR used to fight much more frequently than protected and pampered media creations like Mayweather, every week sometimes. Mayweather is a bum in comparison to greats like SRR.

Posted September 27, 2013 4:23 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Anonymou$ as usual has the beat…

Posted September 27, 2013 2:43 pm 


Anonymou$

AGAIN no one SERIOUSLY believes you train fighters so it would be best if you stop trying to sell that madness… Working with a couple of 6 year olds in headgear does NOT give you the acumen to work with professionals stop living out your fantasies on this board OLD MAN…

Posted September 27, 2013 2:00 pm 


Ray Flores

FM will always be the Sunday Puncher A.H., in my book.

Posted September 27, 2013 11:40 am 


Ray Flores

Canelo should have KO’d FMJ just after Can hit FLo in the balls and there was a pause and Floyd came over to tap gloves and Can shunned him. Instead Can should have delivered a Sunday Punch to KO FLoyd just as Floyd did to Ortiz when he had his gloves down in a apologetic gesture. Can Should have taken a page from FMJr book and Knocked his ass out with his own technology. The Ortiz Factor. FM is the Sunday Puncher A.H.

Posted September 27, 2013 11:39 am 


SREDMOND

SRR is considered the BEST in history by most but if you wanna try and sell me that MOST of his opponents were NOT average of BELOW average boxers that Floyd Mayweather would have BLOW out of the ring we are gonna disagree… Like most sports there are a limited number of upper echelon players HENCE “All Star Games” fighting 4x or 3X per months means that you were facing ALOT of WEAK comp and sparring partners to be frank… No one with Brains is really fooled… I respect Ray but that grainy footage, and 200 opponents don’t lead me to believe that he was in there with a murderers row every evening… Floyd Mayweather has been facing, HOFERS, Champs and Solid Contenders back to back and he has lost a handfull of rounds in the process unless you think that NOW disgraced Judge CJ Ross was on to something… Mayweather 45-0 the celebration continues !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted September 27, 2013 11:36 am 


SREDMOND

HAHAHA I have been accused of being about 50 different posters! Do guys find me that frightening? What EXACTLY am I NOT saying that I want to say under another handle? I don’t agree with ANY poster all of the times and at different points have either cross swords or respectfully took the contra viewpoint…. There is only ONE “SREDMOND” and my usual foils know me because we are in consistent opposition….

Posted September 27, 2013 11:24 am 


TARK

It depends on what you get wrong.. I was wrong on Matthysse-Garcia… After 28 straight winners I had Matthysse winning a 12-round decision. But I didn’t bet Matthysse, I took the over—which was a great bet.. I saw the fight going 12 where most saw a KO because both fighers were big bombers.

However, both were good defenders and good absorbers, so 12 it goes.

But you have to be fairly unknowledgeable to predict a KO finish for Floyd-Canelo, such as Sredmond did.. There was nothing close to a knockdown.. Both were good defenders, good absorbers, and neither KO really good fighters.. You don’t have to flog your brain to see it going 12.

Posted September 27, 2013 1:27 am 


……………I’m over here now>>>>>>>>>

lol at SREDMOND thinking he’s fooling anyone by logging in under his lionhard handle.

Posted September 26, 2013 11:42 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

SREDMOND made a prediction and was wrong, big deal-many of us are wrong a lot of times, except for that salad-tosser Tark who covers most outcomes before a fight then sticks to the one that fits. A sad little person…

Posted September 26, 2013 11:25 pm 


lionhard

Robinson like Mayweather was…..oops.

Posted September 26, 2013 10:45 pm 


lionhard

Gomez is a GENUINE HATER! He’ll look for ANY opportunity to TRASH Mayweather into OBLIVION! Castillo is now “slow” and Canelo is ONLY famous due to heritage & a misguided following! WOW!, A much BIGGER, POWERFUL, YOUNGER, PRIME fighter that has fought almost 50 times, has just lost against a 36 year old WELTERWEIGHT, and ALL YOU CAN DO is CRITICIZE Mayweather!? WOW! that makes him even MORE GREAT – with your HATE reaching the STRATOSPHERE!! Canelo looked COMFORTABLE AGILE & SWIFT as EVER; again, as YOU (Gomez) said: once again, against a NATURALLY SMALLER OPPONENT in Mayweather, only thing though, is that Canelo was OUTCLASSED by an albeit PAST PRIME, but more technical SKILLFUL fighter! Gomez, er HATER, who picked on who!!?? Now you wanna claim SRR had better comp than Mayweather, please tell us the MAJORITY of names, or should I say, the superb athletes with their 39-41-4 records you BRAG about! Canelo would have stood a chance at MANY of SRRs former WEAK comp (of course he had SUPERB comp as well, Fullmer, Basilio, Olson etc.), I’m sure you don’t think so! Mayweather would have given SRR HELL even if he may have lost!! Mayweather like Robinson was an ELITE athlete that was BLESSED with PHYSICAL GIFTS, which means it makes it hard to beat em’ BOTH, during ANY era! WHY!? because they couple the SKILL & BLESSINGS with “HARD WORK and DEDICATION,” “something” the MAJORITY of ANY Pro profession will have a HARD time against! “IF” Pacquiao*, your hero, had TAKEN MUTUALLY applied RANDOM testing, INSTEAD of LEAVING NEGOTIATIONS for the prescribed CRACKED out bodily version of Cotto, the INACTIVE SUSPENDED version of ‘MASON man’ Margarito, and the INACTIVE LAID BACK Clottey, a fighter that likes to chill in his apartment with no disturbances, pretty much like the shell defense, he defends himself with! MAYBE you could have seen your OVERHYPED test averting dynamo sing both the National Anthem as well as the Filipinos version for the MASSIVE PPV that was SURE to take place – had the RELIGIOUS Pac-man* honored a much more TRANSPARANT HUMBLE BIBLICAL view he “TALKS” about, in this FALLEN PROFESSIONAL SPORTS world which is PLAGUED with RAMPANT STEROID USE!! Your HERO Pacquiao* could have been such a GREAT EXAMPLE for ALL to SEE and ADMIRE, had he JUMPED at the OPPORTUNITY to be MORE than just an EASILY offended CRYBABY running to his PLAYPEN in a COURTHOUSE! Again, at the time, he could have SIMPLY taken the tests (with NO CUT OFF DATE) having the more important psychological edge he obviously had over Mayweather! Team Mayweather, along with other athletes, saw that something in Pac* WAS NOT NORMAL as he NEVER seemed to run out of energy with a power that belied his size!…..and a head growth Barry Bonds would be proud of…..a steady AVOIDANCE of STRINGENT test taking! The RELIGIOUS Congressman is still CHOOSING to AVOID OSDT to this VERY DAY – go figure!! Mayweather CALLED his BLUFF, yet still, Mayweather is the one criticized,….again! Amazingly with the help of Gomez.

Posted September 26, 2013 10:37 pm 


Anonymous

TARK and SREDMOND are lovers.

Posted September 26, 2013 8:44 pm 


Haimat

SREDMOND is a joke.

Posted September 26, 2013 7:53 pm 


Gomez

SRR was 100 times the fighter Mayweather is. You’re completely clueless. Laughably so.

Posted September 26, 2013 7:01 pm 


Gomez

It set record numbers because of the size Canelo’s Mexican/Mexican American fan base.

And Mayweather fights who he thinks will earn him big money and who his PR team can build up and dupe the public into believing actually stand a chance of beating him, not anyone who presents a real threat.

As for the second part of your post. That doesn’t even warrant a serious response. To be perfectly honest it just might be the most ridiculous thing I’ve read in a decade. SRR was 128-1-2 before he suffered his next loss. His competition was light years better than Mayweather’s. He beat far better fighters than Mayweather has ever fought, and he so repeatedly throughout his career. If Mayweather fought as much as he did, and in an era that strong he would’ve been just a footnote in history. There’s not a chance in hell he would’ve gone undefeated in an era like SRR’s. Jose Luis Castillo level opponents were ten a penny back then. And Mayweather was 27-0 when ”slow ass” Castillo beat him, LaMotta was 10 times the fighter Castillo ever was.

Posted September 26, 2013 6:59 pm 


TARK

Gomez….. Canelo had a better chance than anyone else at 154 or 147. That’s why the fight set record PPV numbers. You fight who’s there. You can’t fight Sugar Ray Robinson if he’s not there.

However SRR would have gone down to defeat as well — a place he was acquainted with when he had as many fights as Floyd. A slow-assed 160-pounder beat SRR in his 41st fight.

Posted September 26, 2013 6:13 pm 


Gomez

I never rated Canelo to begin with. The kid is a 35% talent and 65% hype. It was so obvious he was going to lose. The media and Mayweather’s PR spin merchants built him up to be something he wasn’t because they could see the dollar signs his Mexican fans brought in. That’s how The Money Team operate. It’s all about the how much revenue they can generate and how many PPVs they can get, not about fighting opponents who actually stand a chance of beating him. Why do you think they charged $80 for the PPV? They’ve been playing you like fools for years and they’ll continue doing it just as long as you’re gullible enough to buy into their spin. It’s been that way since the Castillo scare. Mayweather has even admitted this how they operate. That’s why he never wanted anything to do with Pacquiao because he knew it was an extremely risky fight and one that he stood a very high chance of losing if he went through with it.

Canelo had never beaten anyone worth their weight in salt. A highly contentious decision over Austin Trout was his most significant win, but you have to ask yourself what the hell had Trout ever accomplished to mark it down as such a big feather in Canelo’s cap? All it takes is a quick perusal of Trout’s CV to realize the dearth of meaningful names on it. There’s nobody other than a completely spent Miguel Cotto on it. The only other name which is even vaguely half decent is Delvin Rodriguez who’s Friday Night Fight’s level at best. Trout didn’t stand a chance of getting the decision against Canelo. Even if he’d shut him out on the cards they wouldn’t have given it to him because a fight against him and Mayweather wouldn’t have made any moola. The exact same thing happened with De La Hoya got his ass kicked against Felix Sturm before the Hopkins’ fight. Sturm was never going to get the decision in a million years.

Posted September 26, 2013 5:49 pm 


TARK

Sremond predicted Floyd would “Shred and KO Canelo.”

That’s a nut sucker who can’t evaluate how a fight will go.

Posted September 26, 2013 5:44 pm 


TARK

B Red you’re nuts… In NO WAY does Golovkin put anyone in mind of Jirov… Jirov could never box, bang that well, or defend himself… You’re looking for losers to compare Golovkin too.

You’d probably use Nathan Cleverly if he didn’t get his ass kicked.

Posted September 26, 2013 5:41 pm 


TARK

Sredmond you’re a liar…, I said from the beginning Mayweather would beat Canelo. I had the score a tad closer than in was… Ivanov said Canelo was going to win my KO and I pointed out that Canelo couldn’t even KO Matt Hatton.. I always made Floyd a substantial 8:5 favorite and you know it.

You were completely in the dark in knowing what the character of the fight would be like… You predicted Floyd would “Sred and KO Canelo.” that was the raving of a lunatic who knows NOTHING about boxing.

Posted September 26, 2013 5:39 pm 


B Red

GGG Reminds me of Jirov, a highly skilled boxer. will batter or kn GGGG

Posted September 26, 2013 5:33 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears UNLIKE you and Tark who went on record saying Canelo would win or smash Mayweather I lauded the ATG who turned in one of his MOST PRAISED performances… Who was FARTHER FROM the ACTUAL result? Me saying Floyd would shred possibly stop Canelo or you who said “Canelo was gonna smash Mayweather” and droning on about his handspeed?? I am HAPPY with the Domination we saw absent a KO… I find it HARD TO believe that a Neo-Nazi like you can stomach FMJ making it look easy and sticking it in your Furry “Mud Shoot” AGAIN….45-0 Bears and where is your deep affection for Canelo NOW? HAHAHAAHAHAH…..Even A NUT like Tark has taken to teaming up with a fellow Cretin…Face it Bears your PLAN failed! Canelo could not land on one of the sweetest defensive fighters of all time…The ONLY hole in Mayweathers game is one punch power at 147 and up…His fight to fight execution is unmatched.. It’s easy to know your time would change after Canelo lost this is a pattern with you, ALWAYS MAKING EXCUSES….

Posted September 26, 2013 4:43 pm 


TARK

Everybody knows that Antonio Tarver wouldn’t have gotten the rematch with Roy Jones if most everybody didn’t think the MD in favor of Roy Jones was a completely bogus decision… Even Roy admitted he got beaten in the 1st fight.

Posted September 26, 2013 4:02 pm 


TARK

Antonio Tarver’s bold marketing stroke won him the Roy Jones trilogy… And he kicked ass all the way to fame and fortune.

Posted September 26, 2013 3:58 pm 


TARK

I like Broner as a fighter… But I see cracks in his game compared to more finished products — like Golovkin, Rigondeaux, Kovalev, Ward, the Klitschkos, and Mikey Garcia. Golovkin and Kovalev don’t have a lot of accomplishments yet … Neither does Lomanchenko.

Sredmond’s head is up there in the clouds. He can only evaluate boxers after they’ve proven themselves. He has no idea what’s going to happen ahead of the fact.. Any good analyst knew Danny Garcia vs Lucas Matthysse was most likely going the full 12 rounds for instance.

I predicted for many years that Antonio Tarver was going to beat Roy Jones… Roy avoided Taver for as long as possible, but I have to hand it to him… Roy believes in trying to do the thing that you fear.. He feared Antonio Tarver like nobody else — but he couldn’t take the rap that he ducking Tarver anymore when Antonio showed up at his press conference, interrupted the proceedings, and loudly said “Roy Jones has been ducking me for years and years.”

Posted September 26, 2013 3:54 pm 


TARK

Right Bears.., Sredmond didn’t have the slightest idea what he’s talking about when he said Mayweather was going to shred and KO Canelo… The man is an idiot..

Give GGG time… He’s one of the best boxers in the world but he hasn’t been test yet… When he is he will pass with flying colors… Bring on Martinez or Quillin, who are supposedly the world’s top middleweights… Bring on Martin Murray, who really beat Martinez.

Broner hasn’t been tested yet either… Malignaggi is not a test… Maidana has been beaten by Khan — so he’s really not a test either.. Let’s see how Broner does with a Matthysse type fighter, or a Devon Alexander type fighter.

Posted September 26, 2013 3:43 pm 


BEARS

redmond definitely was wrong with his canelo vs mayweather forecast

Posted September 26, 2013 3:15 pm 


SREDMOND

Peej, well said Tarver is a B or B plus level fighter at best he lost one to Jones and Johnson, and older Hops made him look like trash on Nards first trip to 175… Landing the money punch in the second round against Roy Jones who had almost 2x as many pro fights as Tarver when the fought does NOT make him an ATG…. Tarks a VERY sick man to say the least…

Posted September 26, 2013 2:55 pm 


SREDMOND

GGG is great because “he cuts off the ring” against 154 pounders like Ouma, Rosado, and Ishida? C class competitors…You are really taken with
Padded resumes Tark…
Martinez will likely still beat this guy…

Posted September 26, 2013 2:46 pm 


PEEJ

Tark you are definitely wrong about Tarver. Not only is he not the first man to beat Roy, unfortunately Griffin has that honor, can you really consider the IBO a legitimate title? And he only one the light heavy weight championship twice. He may have won some titles but really means nothing. He is no bum but he is really only a top B level fighter that hit gold once with Roy and that was it. ATG definitely not, HOF negative not going.

Posted September 26, 2013 2:36 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark trying to sell GGG as “slicker than Broner” really shows you know absolutely NOTHING ABOUT boxing… This is the nail in your filthy coffin…!!

Posted September 26, 2013 2:34 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, YOU said that Jones was ONLY 50% of the fighter he was after the Tarver KO so how is it that you’re trying to undersell his peak because he got a UD against Trinidad when that bout happened AFTER he was stopped by Tarver AND Johnson? Again you are a FAKE who is flip flopping like crazy!!! Bernard and Jones as peak boxers resulted in Jones being the more decorated and defeating Nard with no trouble..

Posted September 26, 2013 2:32 pm 


Carl Pratt

read my comment…………………………Canelo missed a golden opportunity

Posted September 26, 2013 2:11 pm 


TARK

Sredmond…, I was one round off of my prediction on Mayweather-Canelo, and made my prediction long before the weigh-in..

YOU were 10,000 miles off… Saying Mayweather was going to shred, paint, smoke, and KO Canelo… Any good analyst knew that was NOT going to happen.

Posted September 26, 2013 2:11 pm 


Carl Pratt

I have to chuckle about what I saw in this hoopla fight of media explosion.
There was an instance when Red hit Floyd in the balls, and ref paused for a second, then Floyd smiled and went over to Red with his glove out for a reprieve and Red waved him off. CANELO should have KNOCKED his ass OUT. He should have KO’d the grinning and defenseless FMJ, much like FMJ KO’d Victor Ortiz. Canelo missed a golden opportunity to KO Floyd. Floyd would have done it like he did to ORTIZ. I will Never forgive FMJ for that cheap shot, because after all Ortiz was only doing what Floyd did his self to Canelo. Freeking idiot. Cheap shot FMJ is a hypocrite of all time. Canelo would have KO’d him and gotten away with it. Protect yourself at all times, protect yourself at times. FMJ = Hypocrite !!
..

Posted September 26, 2013 2:09 pm 


TARK

Sredmond.., “Broner is FAR more slick than that heavy handed lead footed fighter.”

Broner is not as slick as Golovkin, who is NOT lead footed…

GGG cuts the ring off with greater speed and mastery than any other active boxer. GGG would not let a Paulie Malignaggi caliber fighter survive 3 rounds — much let him get to a SD in 12 rounds.

Even non-boxer Ricky Hatton beat Malignaggi more convincingly than Broner did… So did the China chinned Amir Khan, who also beat Paulie every round and stopped him.

So much for the super slick Adrien Broner. His cross-armed defense may become a liability … for one thing. He has other problems as well, but YOU couldn’t tell… You don’t know a damned thing about Boxing.

Posted September 26, 2013 2:06 pm 


SREDMOND

Tarver did NOT beat Jones 3x now you are rewriting history to suit your argument… And the 2nd loss to Tarver was on the heels of Glenn Johnson almost killing him… Merchant rightly proclaimed “we won’t be seeing the real Roy Jones again” he was hesitant and his chin was gone… Tarver did not even stop him 3rd time out you BUM…

Posted September 26, 2013 1:59 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, I feel no shame about a couple guys proving themselves and being wrong hats off to Garcia! But you’re the guy who was saying Canelo and Ortiz had a shot at an insane talent like Mayweather….LMAO!! Neither Garcia nor Lucas are ATG’s when Canelo lost EVERYONE saw you making excuses!!!! You just called Antonio Tarver an ATG which is sheer comedy your days on this board are normal..

Posted September 26, 2013 1:49 pm 


SREDMOND

GGG better “technically than Broner” yeah right Tark…. Broner is FAR more slick than that heavy handed lead footed fighter… Golovkin is VERY untested he’s just a KO artist he belongs compared to Keith Thurman at WW… Broner is STEPPING Up Facing another tough World Class opponent at WW whereas GGG is stepping down facing a guy who’s as short as Broner and sub-World Class… When GGG loses you gonna blame his camp or stance?? The only question is what’s your excuse gonna be when his night comes…GGG has been facing BAD comp absent Macklin… Ishida was on a losing streak…

Posted September 26, 2013 1:45 pm 


Tark = Ramsey

I really don’t consider anything you say.

Posted September 26, 2013 1:22 pm 


TARK

I consider Tarver an ATG… If you don’t that’s fine… You’re an IDIOT..

AT won 5 world championships in 2 weight divisions and was the FIRST man to beat ATG Roy Jones.. He didn’t just beat him, he FLATTENED him, won their trilogy — and objedtively won all 3 fights.

He lost to ATG Bernard Hopkins… And he lost to Chad Dawson when he was over 40 years old… Big Deal… ATG’s DO lose fights, especially when they’re past 40.

Posted September 26, 2013 1:17 pm 


TARK

BTW Sredmond.., Broner has more accomplishments but Golovkin is the better techniclal boxer… You think that’s possible you stupid jackass???

You’re the idiot who predicted brawler Lamont Peterson was going to beat smashing hitter Lucas Matthysse.. You also predicted Matthysse was going to stop Danny Garcia.

YOU know ZERO about Boxing.

Posted September 26, 2013 1:11 pm 


TARK

I didn’t say Bernard Hopkins had any technical flaws IDIOT..

I said he was behind Roy Jones technically when they first fought and past him up by the time he smashed Trinidad.. Roy couldn’t take out a diminished Trinidad, and can beat far fewer fighters. Obviously Barnard is several years older than Jones and has never been stopped.

He’s a better technician period.

Posted September 26, 2013 1:06 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark waxes on about his perception of the technical flaws of Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins both of whom have HISTORIC accomplishments in the sport of boxing… But yet this demented OLD KOOK is trying to sell Golovkin and Kovalev as the perfect fighter LOL!!! He discusses how GGG is looking better at this point in his career when Hops facing Roy Jones and GGG was facing a half dead Matthew Macklin… He was trying to sell Nathan Cleverly as a Calzaghe equivalent and this give us a rationale for why a proven Hall of Famer stood no chance against this upstart….?? Tark must consider Broner a HoFer for grabbing titles in 3 weight classes and getting wins over 3 World Class fighters already whereas GGG’s best win was a a Martinez leftover with NO straps…Demarco was considered the best LW in the world when Broner came up in weight and blew him out…. I consider Broner to be a VERY promising young Champ but I’m not gonna compare him to ATG’s and HOFERS….GGG is about to face a guy who lost to Jesse Brinkley from the “Contender” and stands 5″7…. Golovkins resume is PADDED…

Posted September 26, 2013 1:01 pm 


PEEJ

Tark, That is just ridiculous to say that Tarver is an all time great. Who has he beaten besides Jones? He has only won the world championship twice. Once by beating Jones, then losing it to Johnson and then winning it back and then never doing the rubber match with Johnson. Weak. He is no all time great. He has been beaten by any Great fighter he has fought. Even Jones beat him the first time. That was no robbery. I think you just may have a love thing going with Tarver if you actually think he is great and then saying I think that because I hate him. I don’t like Lennox Lewis or the Klitchkos either but I still recognize there greatness. Tarver is not an all time great nor is he gonna make it to the HOF. That is dumb talk right there.

Posted September 26, 2013 11:12 am 


SREDMOND

Before the Canelo vs Mayweather bout Bears swore on his soon to be stripper daughters soul that Canelo was “the matrix” and that he was gonna “smash” Mayweather and usher in a new era of boxing where Floyd’s balls were not comfortably on the “Bears” chin….NOW that Canelo has been easily dispatched Bears LIKE I said he would is peddling excuses about weight etc when he KNEW the terms of the bout … This is part of the reason I’m violently opposed to a GGG fight guys treat moving down in weight like a “get out of jail free card” if this plodding MW drops 7 pounds and gets EASILY outboxed… What are we gonna hear from Bears and Co? “He was dead, dry, drained, starving” this is nothing more than a childish game for these pseudo-men…

Posted September 26, 2013 11:07 am 


SREDMOND

Tark, you kill me how you like to pretend you REALLY are a boxing trainer when you come on here revising guys and trying to make an already successful fighter like Roy Jones or Bhop a DIFFERENT boxer??? Who are all these World Champions you built from the ground up that DON’T just exist in your brain…????FACT is the a YOUNG Roy Jones handled Hops and Toney with no issues… Even the aging version of him booked a win over Tarver… 50 fights is a LONG stretch to dominate that’s why he was consensus “fighter of the decade” Tarver punched his ticket and that proved to be the end… But stop pretending there are NOT 1000’s of boxers who dream of accomplishing half as much as Jones…He fought on too long as did Leonard, Duran, Hearns, Ali, and MOST… Stop acting like a retarded internet poster like you could have made Roy Jones better or prolonged a magnificent career…

Posted September 26, 2013 11:00 am 


Anonymous

Sugar Ray

Compared to the boxing greats of the past, Mayweather is overrated. He may retire undefeated but he’ll never be considered an all-time great. He’s a very good defensive fighter but he’s ducked all serious threats and has no signature fight during his career. He’s a low risk-high reward fighter who has made a living avoiding dangerous hard-punchers and fighting guys less skilled, battle worn, smaller, and past their primes. When you look at his record, there’s no Kostya Tszyu, Shane Mosely (at lightweight and welterweight), Miguel Cotto (at junior welterweight and welterweight), Antonio Margarito, Paul Williams, Winky Wright, Sergio Martinez, Manny Pacquiao, and Golovkin. In the words of Public Enemy, “don’t believe the hype.”

Posted September 25, 2013 10:48 am

YOU’RE A FOOL!!!!!

Posted September 26, 2013 8:39 am 


HARSH REALITY

Joe beat at least 3 Olympians in Silver medallist Roy Jones, Bronze medalist Richie Woodhall and Robin Reid, who all became SMW champions as pros… Not sure if Lacy repped the US as Olympian (think so). Anyway, in those 3 he beat a stylist, a boxer with a great jab and a box-fighter. He regularly beat brawlers, and all other styles, so yes he would have beaten your Toney’s, Nunn’s, McCallum’s. Joe was able to adjust mid fight and pull away making most of his fights look easy. Tark won’t admit this but Joe is an ATG. He’s tall, aggressive, southpaw who can box, punch, take a shot and can go all night at incredible pace. No one can throw as many shots as him. He keeps going on about Kovalev, but Joe would have made him do the silly dance after boxing his ears off for the first 5 rounds. To be honest, they’re not in the same league. Joe is number one.

HARSH REALITY

Posted September 26, 2013 6:38 am 


MJames

Khan has ducked out of fighting Alexander, get up to date with your facts. Khan believes he is automatically entitled to fight Floyd next, in May 2014, despite never fighting at welterweight before and having no belt. Khan is NOT fighting Alexander, he has scrapped the deal and will just wait until next May for a Floyd fight. It’s crazy, he’s done nothing to get a shot and isn’t even fighting a top welterweight first. It’s disgusting how this joke of a fighter gets special treatment despite being spanked by Garcia and floored by Diaz last time out. Sickening.

Posted September 26, 2013 5:50 am 


Haimat

Tark: “I don’t care how many defenses he made” what do you care about?

You are serious that Calzaghe would get blown away by Kovalev partly because he once during his 46 fight career let his guard down and was clipped by Mitchell? LOL

Listen Tark, every elite fighter has been clipped a few times during their careers. It comes with the sport of boxing. All the Sugars, the Pretty Boys, the Hitmen, the GOAT, everybody got clipped more than once by different calibre opponents. This is basic stuff my friend.

Posted September 26, 2013 2:22 am 


BEARS

i feel the weight drain effected canelo to too much a degree. floyd outboxed canelo but nobody thought that would not happen. i cant say with certainty he could outfight canelo. canelo couldnt bang, let his hands go, and make it adog fight he didnt hae the stamina. he had to box because it was less exhausting. i wouldnt mind a rematch later at a higher weight at least 154. the catch weight was crappy and we said it the whole time

Posted September 26, 2013 2:13 am 


TARK

Swift…, What you’re saying is Floyd never beat a perfect fighter… I can take any boxer who ever lived and rip each of their opponents in similar fashion to the nonsense that you posted below.

What’s wrong with Canelo??? He was 13 years younger.. 15 pounds heavier.. Undefeated in 43 fights.. World Champion at 154 and the top rated fighter in the world in his weight class—and he just beat a big, tall, undefeated southpaw World Champion to achieve that status.

Plus Canelo could box, punch, defend, and had a solid chin.. So why was he such a bad opponent???

Posted September 26, 2013 1:17 am 


B Red

Roy was the most atheletic gifted fighter I have ever seen, as far as speed reflexes with power
Once he lost his reflexes, you can see how he was technically flawd with no chin

Posted September 26, 2013 1:09 am 


TARK

Since Roy made the excuse of being “too tired” in their 1st fight.. Antonio Tarver asked Roy, “Are you going to have any excuses tonight Roy?”

Posted September 26, 2013 12:59 am 


TARK

Roy Jones after the 3rd Tarver fight.., “I can’t brawl like Glen Johnson.. Tarver would have given me Hell, even at my best.”

PEEJ.., You just HATE Antonio Tarver because he beat up Roy Jones 3 times… Tarver is a 5 time World Champion and an ATG… Roy Jones was all beaten up after their 1st fight and Tarver didn’t have a mark on him.. Even Roy Jones’ hometown crowd knew Tarver won the 1st fight.. Because they booed Roy and cheered Tarver.

Before their 2nd fight Roy told Tarver, “You beat me the last fight.. I was too tired to fight. This fight you’re going to be the one on the ropes and I’m going to give you a beating.”

So even Roy admitted Tarver won their 1st fight.

Posted September 26, 2013 12:56 am 


PEEJ

Also Jones didn’t have any problems with lefties until he had already slowed down

Posted September 26, 2013 12:01 am 


PEEJ

And just like you said he took advantage of an older Rou. That is what made Roy so special, his speed. If he were in his prime Yarver would of never touched Roy

Posted September 25, 2013 11:54 pm 


PEEJ

The first Tarver vs Jones fight was no robbery. Tarver didn’t press enough for a lot of the rounds. And the lead left hook of Jones had nothing to do with why he got beat. He got caught in the corner with a good punch. Mines was never the same after leaving heavy. Travers only accomplishment was beating Jones and that’s it. Tarver is Garbage

Posted September 25, 2013 11:52 pm 


TARK

Sredmond.., “During his prime Jones easily beat Hopkins and Toney”

Hopkins’ stance was a little messed up at that early time.. His skills were not yet on Roy’s level.. He didn’t fight the high level amateurs Jones did.. Roy’s dad was a professional boxer and taught him a lot by the time he was 10. By the time Hopkins fought Trinidad he could have beaten Roy. B-Hop improved his game faster and steadier than Roy did and won their rematch easily.

Toney was a natural boxer.. He was a born fighter.. But when he fought Roy he started training camp at 250lbs and never really got into shape.. Toney’s was all motion and no substance in that fight.. His fight that night was a con job.. He was in roughly the same physical condition when Montel Griffen beat him twice.. Toney toughest opponent was himself.

Don’t get me wrong.. Roy Jones was a great fighter.. He was a better technical boxer than Joe Calzaghe or Muhammad Ali.. But he did have serious flaws that Antonio Tarver, who is older than Roy, took advantage of.

Posted September 25, 2013 11:38 pm 


TARK

Sredmond.., “Tark, ALL FIGHTERS have “technical flaws”.”

I guess they do—but Floyd doesn’t have detectable flaws that really stand out. No obvious ones that I can see. Roy Jones does.

A tall southpaw with great skills, like Antonio Tarver, was always going to be tough for Roy Jones Jr.. Roy tends to feint and throw lead left hooks in a predictable way that Tarver was able to time.. Tarver was always was super confident he could outbox and beat Roy. Their 1st fight was a robbery so Tarver went for the KO in the 2nd fight. He got it early. Roy landed a lead hook a 10th of a second before Tarver’s shot landed. Tarver keyed on the lead.

That KO shot isn’t the only left hander Tarver caught Roy with—so don’t say it was lucky. AT ripped Roy with hard straight lefts and left hooks in all 3 fights. Roy tried to make a statement in the 2nd fight and left himself wide open … You would never catch Floyd doing that… In the 3rd fight Roy fought cautiously and Tarver won easily.

Calzaghe had worse flaws then Jones… Enzo Calzaghe is a great motivator, but one of the worst technical trainers I’ve ever seen. He never fought himself so he doesn’t know that much. I thought the way Calzaghe’s hands were wrapped was an abomination.

Posted September 25, 2013 11:19 pm 


The Prince

Late to the party it seems, but great article Wallace. Just reading some of the comments of people pathetically trying to claim Calzaghe is greater than Mayweather. What a joke. Calzaghe spent his career fighting low-level bums in Europe and only fought a quality fighter when he was past their prime. He beat a well past his prime Eubanks, who would have destroyed Calzaghe if they fought during his prime. He did the same to Jones and Hopkins, who in Hopkins case, arguably won the fight because he landed the stronger, cleaner, blows and knocked Calzaghe down. It was Hopkins big mouth that had the judges against him from the start. Kessler was Calzaghe’s only decent win, because Kessler was still in his prime. And the only reason Calzaghe took that fight was because Kessler’s style was perfect for him. Floyd Mayweather defeated top P4P and future HOF fighters his whole career, and mostly after said fighters achieved their greatest career wins. Many of these fighters, people claimed would defeate Mayweather, only for Floyd to dominate them and make them look like beginners. Floyd is easily a ATG and anyone saying otherwise now, no longer was any creditability. I remember many Floyd detractors claiming they would finally give him his credit if he fought and beat Canelo. What happened? Not men of your words?

Posted September 25, 2013 11:04 pm 


TARK

Old Yank.., “Hopkins could only land 127 TOTAL punches over 12 rounds on Calzaghe”

One of those punches put Calzaghe on his ass… B-Hop was 43 and didn’t throw a lot.. For an old man he landed a lot and it was a split decision. A lot of folks think Hopkins was robbed.

For that fight Hopkins was using Mackey Shillstone.. He put on too much muscle and looked slow and fatigued.. If he didn’t make the Shillstone mistake he would have done better — and he stopped using him.

Posted September 25, 2013 10:51 pm 


SREDMOND

Calzaghe had a good chin he took some big shots from Kessler and older slower versions of Jones and Hopkins DECKED him.. Joe was NOT. A defensive specialist his style allowed him to win his bouts but he could be found with a good shot…Mayweathers in another league, Ward is evading clean shots from prime boxers…
Make no mistake

Posted September 25, 2013 10:35 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, ALL FIGHTERS have “technical flaws” Tarver did NOT “expose Roy Jones”‘he caught him with a Sunday punch in the second round… Jones OWNS a win over Tarver, it’s revisionist to knock Jones skills NOW he wa pretty much Undefeated thru 50 bouts and own titles in 4 divisions up to HW…..During his prime Jones easily beat Hopkins and Toney …. Joe Calzaghe could NEVER. have beat prime versions of either of those guys, he barely got by a 43 year old Hopkins…Jones dominated LHW in a manner NEVER seen before if all these “technically superior” fighters abounded then why were they taking a backseat to Roy? Fact is Jones got caught out there and was never the same it happens… And a PRETEND INTERNET TRAINER like you could not have trained him to be as Great as he was nor prevented his downfall…

Posted September 25, 2013 10:26 pm 


Beej

test

Posted September 25, 2013 9:21 pm 


Old Yank

Tark — You fool! Hopkins could only land 127 TOTAL punches over 12 rounds on Calzaghe. Kessler could only land 173 over 12 (SOURCE: Compubox). What the hell are you talking about that Calzaghe was easy to hit. What a dumb-ass thing to say. Froch landed 156 punches on the hard to hit Andre Ward. Malignaggi was able to land 212 on the highly defensive Broner. Hopkins managed to land 13 more punches over 12 rounds on Calzaghe than Guerrero was able to land on Mayweather over 12. STOP IT! YOU SOUND FOOLISH! Calzaghe was HARD TO HIT!

Posted September 25, 2013 8:03 pm 


TARK

Harsh Reality.., “Marvin Johnson and Saad Muhammad? I never wrote they were ATGs but they were exciting champions ”

Yeah.., They were exciting because they got hit a lot… A pier 6 brawl is exciting too.

But they don’t represent a high standard to judge Calzaghe by.. SMW’s and LHW’s with real ATG skills — like Bob Foster… Michael Spinks… Billy Conn… Archie Moore… Ezzard Charles… Mike Gibbons… Andre Ward… Sergei Kovalev… Those are the boxers you should be comparing Calzaghe to — since you say he’s the best ever.

When you look at the skills JC displayed, he was easy to hit, lacked a full arsenal of straight punches, an his stance left him open at times. No wonder he avoided prime-time great boxers.

Posted September 25, 2013 7:14 pm 


TARK

@Haimat…, “Byron Mitchell landing a lucky punch an getting KTFO.”

It wasn’t a lucky punch… Calzaghe was wide open… Watch the fight.

Byron M. didn’t got KTFO… KTFO is a 10-count—or at least a count of SOME kind… Mitchell was on his feet and it was an outrageously quick stoppage. Calzaghe had a friendly referee.

And It doesn’t matter how many defenses Calzaghe had against 3rd raters nobody ever heard of. Some of his challengers wrere ridiculous.

What matters is how many prime-time skilled boxers he fought. “0”

As far as Kovalev getting beaten in the amateurs??? Who GAS about that?

Posted September 25, 2013 7:02 pm 


HARSH REALITY

Tark. You sneered at Marvin Johnson and Saad Muhammad? I never wrote they were ATGs but they were exciting champions at a time when the LH division was thriving. Johnson was a three time champion and an aggressive southpaw at that, just like Joe and I was comparing the two if you bothered to read my comment. He owned a great uppercut inside and a good right hook, but Joe would have taken his best and beaten him up. Muhammad was notorious for his blood and guts style, but Joe would have stayed with him in the trenches and avoided his straight right. Joe would either have boxed his ears off or out-slugged the slugger in a shoot out.

HARSH REALITY

Posted September 25, 2013 6:21 pm 


PEEJ

Race has nothing to do with who the better fighters are. Maybe you should jump off a building that way you don’t have to worry about race anymore

Posted September 25, 2013 5:42 pm 


PEEJ

Yes you have posted it over and over again. I don’t like catch weights neither but Canelo called Floyd out and came up with the 152lb catch weight. Canelo signed for the fight and said the weight was not an issue.

Posted September 25, 2013 5:40 pm 


Haimat

Tark, what’s up? Kovalev ain’t the real deal. What are you smoking lately? Watch Kovalev get humiliated against Korobov on youtube. It’s a quick google search away. Golovkin is a better fighter.

Calzaghe had 23 World Championship defenses. No matter what you say that’s one helluvan accomplishment. All these guys came to win. B-Hop back then was a beast. You talked about Byron Mitchell landing a lucky punch an getting KTFO himself 60 seconds later and somehow that’s a negative thing? You know more about boxing than that right?

Every post you’re turning more and more into another SREDMOND or Boxtradamus.

“Floyd was rocked by Corley back in the day. Hey Kovalev is the real deal. Floyd aint nothing.” think before you post. It’s good for your credibility.

Posted September 25, 2013 5:27 pm 


Floyd Mayweather TBE

”Problem is Floyd doesn’t get tired so, and we’ve seen canelo fade in fights before,
having to take off that extra two pounds is..>>>>>>> people think it’s just two pounds but when you already struggling to make ’64 that extra two pounds is a lot<<<<<<< and he's going to put on a lot of weight but he's not going to be able to put on the right kind of weight just in 24 hours. So he's gonna feel the fact that he's, you know, stripped his body, cutting his muscles toget to 152''

Andre Ward

Posted September 25, 2013 5:10 pm 


Floyd Mayweather TBE

Mayweather Promotions CEO Leonard Ellerbe said it was simply the “A-side” fighter getting the upside over the “B-side” fighter. Mayweather usually fights at 147 pounds.

“We just took advantage of a situation. It’s no different from basketball, football or baseball,” he said. “You’re always going to put your opposition at a disadvantage, if you can. You break ‘em down and you go in for the kill.

Leonard Ellerbe and Floyd – “We don’t care what Canelo weighs come fight night. Skills pay the bills.”

So why the catchweight then?

Posted September 25, 2013 5:07 pm 


Floyd Mayweather TBE

More like 2lbs, 2lbs on a growing boy.

“De La Hoya – Pacquiao fights him at a catch-weight. Cotto – he fights him at a catchweight. When I fought De La Hoya, I said ‘give him to me at 154.’ With Cotto – ‘give him to me at 154.’ Give me the guys where they are comfortable at their weight so there are no excuses.

“I look at Miguel Cotto as an undefeated fighter because he faced Pacquiao, but Pacquiao caught him at a catch weight. He wasn’t the best Miguel Cotto. He was drained. He wasn’t hydrated”

And Leonard Ellerbe on Cotto vs Pacquiao:

“He was a dead man walking when he went into the ring,” Ellerbe said.

>>>>>>> “The casual fan doesn’t know what difference one or two pounds can make when a fighter is already down to weight. Fighters know.”<<<<<<<<<<

Posted September 25, 2013 5:06 pm 


PEEJ

So. Canelo said he had no problems making the weight. And like everybody said, he weighed in at 153 for the Trout fight. It was only one more pound to lose.

Posted September 25, 2013 4:59 pm 


Floyd Mayweather TBE

Andre Ward on how Canelo looked at the weigh in for the Floyd fight

”Canelo didn’t look good yesterday. I’ve never seen a fighter sit down at a weigh in. When you see a fighter sit down like that you know that he had some SERIOUS weight issues. Like it’s not just like OK, I’m hungry, I’m dehydrated, it’s some SERIOUS weight issues.”

Posted September 25, 2013 4:57 pm 


PEEJ

Nope I never over post. If I did ESB would hit me with a message saying you are over posting

Posted September 25, 2013 4:56 pm 


Anonymous

Peej, not you, PED CHEATS!!!!

Posted September 25, 2013 4:54 pm 


Anonymous

You overposting AGAIN!!!!!

Posted September 25, 2013 4:53 pm 


PEEJ

Yes they are still members and now they must do year around testing. They have already addressed the issue.

Posted September 25, 2013 4:52 pm 


PEEJ

Dude you said it yourself a rumor. I read that same article and it is all hear say. No proof. So there for he has never taken PEDs until proven other wise.

Posted September 25, 2013 4:52 pm 


PED Cheats

The Money Team love PEDs. Are Bey and Love still members? Surely Floyd must’ve been outraged that members of his own team are fellow drug cheats? But strangely enough there was no outrage to be found.

Posted September 25, 2013 4:38 pm 


PED Cheats

Middleweight prospect J’Leon Love failed a drug test following his controversial 10-round split decision win against Gabriel Rosado on May 4, Nevada State Athletic Commission executive director Keith Kizer said Wednesday.

Love was one of two boxers on the Floyd Mayweather Jr.-Robert Guerrero undercard at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas to flunk drug tests. Super middleweight Matthew Garretson (2-1, 1 KO), 26, of Charleston, W.Va., who was knocked out in the final round of a four-round preliminary fight against Mayweather-promoted Lanell Bellows, also failed a test.

Love, 25, of Detroit, who is promoted by Mayweather, drew the pound-for-pound king’s ire for the failed test. Mayweather, after all, has been vocal for the past few years in his calls for strict random drug testing in boxing.

“Floyd Mayweather nor myself condone this behavior and whatever the Nevada commission sees necessary as punishment we fully support it,” Mayweather Promotions chief executive Leonard Ellerbe told ESPN.com. “In addition, there will be repercussions behind this as it relates to Mayweather Promotions and our fighter. This news is disgusting.”

Rosado tweeted, “I just got news that J’Leon Love tested positive for (an) illegal substance. So not only did the judges cheat me but so did Love.”

Love (16-0, 8 KOs), according to Kizer, tested positive for the banned diuretic Hydrochlorothiazide while Garretson tested positive for Furosemide, another kind of diuretic.

Diuretics are typically used to help cut weight or used as a masking agent for steroids. In Love’s case, he struggled severely to make the 160-pound weight limit for the fight with Rosado.

Love was two hours late for the weigh-in and then was 161½ pounds on his first attempt to make weight. He returned to the scale nearly an hour later — almost maxing out the time allotted to make weight — and was 160 pounds.

“My guess is that’s when he took it, allegedly. He may have taken it then or right before the weigh-in, because he was two hours late,” Kizer said.

Kizer said both fighters will be temporarily suspended and eventually face a hearing before the commission, perhaps as soon as the mid-June commission meeting.

Kizer said he would seek a suspension and fine against both fighters. If Love’s positive test is upheld, the result of the fight will be changed to a no decision. The result of the Garretson fight will stand because he lost.

“The usual suspension for a diuretic is seven to eight months, but the commission can go up to a year, depending on the circumstances,” Kizer said.

The commission can also fine a boxer up to 100 percent of his purse but in the case of a positive diuretic test, Kizer said the commission typically hands out a fine of 30 percent. Love made $100,000 while Garretson earned $3,000.

Posted September 25, 2013 4:35 pm 


PED Cheats

Lightweight Mickey Bey Jr. was suspended and fined by the Nevada State Athletic Commission on Wednesday for testing positive for elevated levels of testosterone following a third-round knockout of Robert Rodriguez in a nationally televised fight on Feb. 2 at The Cosmopolitan casino in Las Vegas.

Bey, a 29-year-old from Cleveland and a former amateur standout, was present for the hearing as the commission voted 3-2 to fine him $1,000 of his $8,000 purse and suspend him for three months (retroactive to the day of the fight). Bey could have been fined the entirety of his purse and suspended for one year.

The result of the bout was also changed to a no-decision, so a victory was deleted from Bey’s record, which now stands at 18-0-1 with nine knockouts. The loss also comes off Rodriguez’s record. The 22-year-old from Greeley, Colo., is now 7-2 with three knockouts.

Bey’s drug screen showed his testosterone to epitestosterone ratio (T/E) being greater than 30-1. Nevada allows a ratio of 6-1. Bey’s ratio was the second highest in Nevada history, according to Nevada commission executive director Keith Kizer.

The fight with Rodriguez was Bey’s first in 15 months following a split from promoter Top Rank. He had signed with Floyd Mayweather Jr.’s promotional company, Mayweather Promotions, and was being trained by Floyd Mayweather Sr.

Posted September 25, 2013 4:34 pm 


PED Cheats

“On May 20, 2012, a rumor filtered through the drug-testing community that Mayweather had tested positive on three occasions for an illegal performance-enhancing drug.

More specifically, it was rumored that Mayweather’s “A” sample had tested positive on three occasions and, after each positive test, USADA had found exceptional circumstances in the form of inadvertent use and gave Floyd a waiver. This waiver, according to the rumor, negated the need for a test of Floyd’s “B” sample. And because the “B” sample was never tested, a loophole in USADA’s contract with Mayweather and Golden Boy allowed the testing to proceed without the positive “A” sample results being reported to Mayweather’s opponent or the Nevada State Athletic Commission (which had jurisdiction over the fights).

In late-May, Pacquiao’s attorneys heard the rumor. On June 4, 2012, they served document demands and subpoenas on Mayweather, Mayweather Promotions, Golden Boy and USADA calling for the production of all documents that related to PED testing of Mayweather for the Shane Mosley, Victor Ortiz and Miguel Cotto fights.

The documents were not produced. There was a delay in the proceedings while Floyd spent nine weeks in the Clark County Detention Center after pleading guilty to charges of domestic violence and harassment. Upon his release from jail on August 2nd, settlement talks heated up.

On September 25, 2012, a stipulation of settlement ending the defamation case was filed with the court. The parties agreed that the terms of settlement would be kept confidential. Prior to the agreement being signed, two sources with detailed knowledge of the proceedings told this writer that Mayweather’s initial monetary settlement offer was “substantially more” than Pacquiao’s attorneys had expected it would be and an agreement in principle was reached soon afterward.

As part of the settlement, the Mayweathers and Mayweather Promotions issued a statement that read: “Floyd Mayweather Jr., Floyd Mayweather Sr., Roger Mayweather and Mayweather Promotions wish to make it clear that they never intended to claim that Manny Pacquiao has used or is using any performance-enhancing drugs nor are they aware of any evidence that Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs. Manny Pacquiao is a great champion and no one should construe any of our prior remarks as claiming that Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs.”

I don’t know if Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs or not.

I do know that, if Mayweather’s “A” sample tested positive for a performance-enhancing drug on one or more occasions and he was given a waiver by USADA that concealed this fact from the Nevada State Athletic Commission, his opponent and the public, we have an ingredient that could contribute to the making of a scandal.”

Posted September 25, 2013 4:26 pm 


PEEJ

Mayweather has never failed a test.

Posted September 25, 2013 4:18 pm 


TARK

Calzaghe wasn’t the real deal..,

He was a face first boxer who was easy to tag… Elderly gents like Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins planted Joe on the canvas. Imagine what a better and younger fighter would do to Calzaghe!!! JC never fought one. A crude winger like Byron Mitchell floored Calzaghe with a loaded swing.

UK pundits were bragging about “the great Nathan Cleverly”—a World Champion, undefeated at 27-0, NC has the style and speed of Joe Calzaghe.

Joe Herron’s favorite boxing trainer and boxing analyst—Gogue—said, “Kovalev needs to clinch when Cleverly gets inside,” and offered other bits of analysis to support his faulty prediction that Cleverly would beat Kovalev.

But Kovalev’s speed, power, and awesome arsenal ripped holes through Cleverly’s Calzaghe-style defense. Meanwhile Sergei’s masterful defense protected him nicely. Cleverly was unfortunate to meet a great prime boxer-puncher during his career. There are very few Kovalev’s out there.

Clev wasn’t as lucky as Calzaghe—who never did fight a great prime boxer.

Posted September 25, 2013 4:14 pm 


PED Cheats

100% Andre Ward is definitely on the gear as well.

Posted September 25, 2013 4:13 pm 


TARK

Marvin Johnson and Matthew Saad Muhammad??? LMAO!!!!!

They weren’t ATG’s… But Matthew Saad did was expose John Conte, who was as bad as Calzaghe.

Posted September 25, 2013 4:13 pm 


PED Cheats

Roy Jones
Shane Mosley
James Toney
Evander Holyfield
Antonio Tarver
Floyd Mayweather (3 failked tests)
Lamont Peterson
Andre Berto
J’Leon Love
Jameel McCline
Mickey Bey
Richard Hall
Aaron Pryor
Guillermo Jones
Shannon Briggs
Ali Funeka
Virgil Hill

Posted September 25, 2013 4:12 pm 


PEEJ

Ray Gordon Reid, yes I know he beat them both. But he did not beat either in there prime. And both knocked Joe down in the first round. If he was to be knocked down in the first round by a prime Roy and Hopkins they would of finished him off. Calzaghe has only fought 2 fighters in there prime and that was Kessler and Lacy. Hopkins actually beat Joe up in there fight but Joe out worked him. Joe did not want to go through another fight with Hopkins that is why he didn’t want the rematch. As for Jones he was a shell of himself

Posted September 25, 2013 4:10 pm 


HARSH REALITY

I just looked back at Tark’s list of Light Heavies and admit Joe may have had problems with the awkwardness and power of Bob Foster and Mike Spinks but I can’t see him struggling too much with the others. Gene Tunney was a master boxer and mover, but Joe would grow so many shots he would duck into one. it would have been fun matching him with fellow southpaw Marvin Johnson who had a sweet uppercut, but Joe would just look at him and laugh and outwork him from range. He would cut bleeder Matthew Saad Muhammad to ribbons and just wait for the ref to step in and stop the punch up. Joe liked a good tear up and would’ve loved Saad trying to stay on his chest. I still think Joe finds a way to beat them all.

HARSH REALITY

Posted September 25, 2013 3:48 pm 


Swift

Someone posted this on one of the other articles a while back. I quite like Mayweather and think he’s a very good fighter, but this guy raise some very good points. His competition over the last ten years hasn’t been very impressive at all really.

Saul Alvarez: Media creation, only significant victory came against Austin Trout, Trout’s credibility hinges on him beating a shot Cotto, other than that neither Alvarez or TRout have beaten anyone worthwhile. Alvarez’s resume consists of shot fighters and bums.

Robert Guerrero: A featherweight who beat shot fighters and nobodies during his ascent up to 147 and then earned his shot at Floyd by beating hype job Berto, who is crap.

Miguel Cotto: Another shot fighter who Floyd wanted no business with when he was in his prime.

Victor Ortiz: Hype job, quit against Maidana and Lopez, earned his shot by beating hype job Berto again. Ortiz has beaten no one of note other than him.

Mosley: Well past his prime and looked absolutely terrible with out his PEDs, plain to see he was a completely different animal when on them.

Juan Manuel Marquez: Moving up two divisions after only having competed at the one he resided in for TWO FIGHTS. Floyd didn’t even attempt to make weight for that fight. A complete farce of a fight.

Ricky Hatton: A pub brawler who beat bums and a completely shot Tszyu who’d only fought twice in 3 years going into the fight after suffering a pair of career threatening injuries.

Oscar De La Hoya: Well past his best, was a a coke addict and a part time fighter by this stage of his career, despite all this still managed to take Floyd down to the wire and would’ve unquestionably have beaten him even if he’d been 50% of what he once was.

Carlos Baldomir: The worst welterweight champion in recent memory, had lost 9 times before Floyd beat him.

Zab Judah: Tszyu’s leftovers, dropped Floyd was was holding his own in the early going. Decent win.

Sharmba Mitchell: Shot, more Tsyzu’s leftovers. Meaningless win.

Arturo Gatti: How many wars had he been in? How much punishment had he absorbed? Well past his best, only fought 3 more times, losing 2 of them by stoppage to average fighters.

Posted September 25, 2013 3:47 pm 


Anonymous

PEDS CHEATS AND HYPE, TODAY ITS CALLED BOXING.

Posted September 25, 2013 3:37 pm 


PEEJ

Na Calzaghe loses to a prime Hopkins and Jones. Hopkins was much more active in his prime. If a none active Hopkins could beat up Calzaghe imagine what an active Hopkins could of done. Not to mention the knockdown in the first round. A prime Hopkins and Jones finish off Calzaghe and we would not even seen a round 2.

Posted September 25, 2013 3:16 pm 


Anonymous

NOT MAYWEATHER”S FAULT, JUST THAT THE REST OF THEM ARE AVERAGE AT BEST.

Posted September 25, 2013 3:07 pm 


HARSH REALITY

I forgot to add the new kids Groves and DeGale would both get stopped. Joe would embarrass them both. Groves penchant for a punch up would leave him punch drunk and De Gale would be punch into is shell like the tortoise that he is.

HARSH REALITY

Posted September 25, 2013 3:05 pm 


HARSH REALITY

Joe Calzaghe would have dominated the Super Six. Taylor and Green would have been easy meat and he would have bashed Froch and Kessler. Abraham would have been another Jeff Lacy. The only one who may have stretched him would be Dirrell, a tall tricky, switch hitting southpaw. Joe would throw too many punches for Andre Ward and he would batter the living breath out of Bute. I looked at Tark’s list of Light Heavies and was unimpressed. Joe beats them all by either late stoppage or UD.

HARSH REALITY

Posted September 25, 2013 3:01 pm 


PEEJ

Tarver didn’t expose anything in Roy. Roy was a shell of himself after coming down from Heavy and Tarver still lost the first fight. Tarver hasn’t really beaten anybody and he is definitely not a HOF fighter. Sorry but Tarver was not that great. The only thing he has going for him is beating an old Jones who was never the same after losing all that muscle weight.

Posted September 25, 2013 2:32 pm 


Anonymous

Brooklyn guy

Every New Yorker on esb knows Sean Redmond aka SREDMOND aka Supreme Creep. He’s famous.

FAMOUS??? SERIOUSLY??? LMAO!!!!!

Posted September 25, 2013 2:27 pm 


TARK

Sredmond is full of dip again.., A prime Roy Jones wouldn’t slaughter Joe Calzaghe hands down. Both fighters had technical flaws. That’s a fairly close matchup, slightly favoring a prime Jones.

Tarver exposed the holes in Roy’s game when he bested him 3 times. Calzaghe simply took advantage of the flaws Tarver revealed.

But Andre Ward, Sergei Kovalev, Michael Spinks, Bob Foster, Billy Conn, Mike Gibbons, Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Gene Tunney, Antonio Tarver, and a few other light heavyweight champions would have little trouble with Calzaghe. The idea that Calzaghe is an ATG is rubbish. He never fought any prime boxer who was really good. Any prime-time 168/175 fighter with a masterful jab and crackling straight power punch finds JC with regularity.

Watch Kovalev-Cleverly. You’re seeing a shorter version of Kovalev-Calazaghe.

Posted September 25, 2013 2:11 pm 


SREDMOND

Calzaghe was NOT a bum he was a World Champion who booked I believe 20 defenses and had some very good wins (Kessler his best) …. He’s a Hall of Famer but NOT an ATG… A prime Roy Jones slaughters him hands down , straight no chaser, Andre Ward would likely defet him soundly… Wards blazed thru experienced fighter with EASE his learning curve has been tremendous… Froch and Kessler were both able to reclaim World Championships AFTER Ward drubbed them… And he dismantled and destroyed the Lineal LHW Champ when he tried to make some noise… Calzaghe NEVER passed thru a gauntlet like this and the SCARY thing about Ward is his BEST performances have been against his most difficult opponents on paper.

Posted September 25, 2013 1:43 pm 


De Lima I.

JC never stopped anyone of note — he has never fought the caliber of a Ward. AW is technically better and has more power. Joe is overrated IMO.

Posted September 25, 2013 1:36 pm 


De Lima I.

Agreed. An older Hopkins beat Calzaghe up, only lost because he was out worked.

Posted September 25, 2013 1:35 pm 


PEEJ

Calaghe is no bum but he would of also not beat Jones in his prime. Just because he said he was in the best shape he was in in the past 5 years means nothing. He was no where close to being the fighter he was so that means nothing. I have seen 50 year old guys in great shape saying that it was the best shape they have ever been in but yet they still can’t run as fast as they could when they where in high school. Floyd would of beat Calzaghe like he did everybody else at 168 or light heavy. Hopkins would of beaten him also. An older Hopkins beat Calzaghe up, only lost because he was out worked. That is why Calzaghe didn’t want to give Hopkins a rematch. He didn’t want to go through that twice. Not to mention Calzaghe never really fought anybody in there prime for the exception of Lacy which he straight up took his heart and Kessler.

Posted September 25, 2013 1:30 pm 


SREDMOND

That list of fighters looks like a group of guys you fools would be making excuses for if Floyd Mayweather outboxed them… For detractors there is NOT a SINGLE BOXER in history they would NOT marginalize after Mayweather made th look ordinary or just plain defeated them.. The upside of being a Mayweather fan is that he has not let us down nor come to the ring selling tales of depression, weight issues, jail or divorce as reasons for failure… He just keeps WINNING! It was claimed that the Great Tommy Hearns took a loss due to a leg massage, that Wlad Klits lost to mysterious poisoning and Vaseline on his legs LMAO..Mosleys back was “tight” and the list goes on… People try to discuss training camps they were NOT a part of (Tark) as reasons for failure… When the truth is that results speak loudest Mayweather 45-0

Posted September 25, 2013 1:23 pm 


jojo

And he would beat Ward!

Posted September 25, 2013 1:22 pm 


jojo

Joe Calzaghe would beat Triple G and Kovalev.

Posted September 25, 2013 1:22 pm 


Anonymous

Just when you think TARK starts to talk sense he calls Calzaghe a bum. Of the three knock downs you mention he got up and beat them all.

Calzaghe a bum, what an idiot Tark is.

Ward wouldn’t beat Calzaghe at his best no chance. Joe would batter him down. He’s too fast and throws a crazy amount of punches.

No one ever beat him! No one!

Not present world champ, Bernard “I ain’t never gonna loose to no white boy” Hopkins. HE LOST!

Not Roy “I was in the best condition I’d been in five years. He punched much harder than I thought he would” Jones. Roy LOST in convincing style. In fact after the 7th round it was embarrassing to watch. Joe systematically destroyed him.

And as for that fight against Byron Mitchell (former WBA SMW champ) that punch was a beauty. What did Joe do? He got up an knocked him down a few seconds later and then went on the attack and stopped Mitchell in the same round.

The truth is I’ve NEVER seen one single American fight fan say anything good about Joe Calzaghe. No respect for him at all. 46-0! 46 bums and flukes right??

Joe was a great fighter. He deserves all the respect.

Posted September 25, 2013 1:18 pm 


Latifa

Money is sexiest man on Earth!!!!

Posted September 25, 2013 1:17 pm 


SREDMOND

Floyd has challenged himself PLENTY…look at the combined records of his last 8 opponents and the number of titles the have won collectively…Now of course I don’t expect detractors to analyze pertinent information and extend appropriate credit they will just surmise that Canelo Alvarez, Guerrero, Marquez, Mosley, Oscar, Hatton and Cotto were ALL easy outs….Ask Trout if Canelo was an easy out? Ask Pacquiao if Marquez was an easy out 4x, ask Mosley , Judah, Malignaggi and Clottey if Cotto is an easy out, ask Vargas, Trinidad (if he’s honest) Chavez, Carr, Gatti, Mayorga and Quartey if Oscar was an easy out.. Ask Kosta Tszyu and Paulie of Hatton was an easy out..If we are gonna give Floyd grief because he dispatches fighters easy then how much cred should we give Hagler for blowing out Hearns in 3 action packed rounds?? Should we perhaps deduce that Tommy was not that much of a challenge? Or perhaps let’s discuss Duran being knocked cold by Hearns, should we say Tommy knocked a former
135 pounder so what’s the big deal??….NO ONE boxes consistently with Floyd’s level of technical brilliance.. His opponents are not deathly afraid of him dropping them with any one punch… Since he moved to 147 it’s almost a lock that it’s gonna be a 12 round fight so they have the duration to land damaging punches or apply their ill fated “game plans” reality is that Floyd denies them the ability to execute and this is what his brilliance is ALL about…He is an invincible fighter who does not even have big power… AMAZING

Posted September 25, 2013 1:12 pm 


PEEJ

Actually Floyd would beat a lot of those fighters on the list. He would probably lose to some also. But unfortunately we will never know. The first set of names is dumb because Floyd never fought in that division. So that is ridiculous. Many people consider him the greatest if not one of the greatest light weights ever. Anybody can put a list of names down and say can so and so beat these guys. But there is no real way to find out

Posted September 25, 2013 1:09 pm 


PEEJ

E in Denver, I am not saying he would beat Duran. I have said numerous times I don’t think Floyd is the Goat. He is just the greatest boxer of his generation. He can only fight the people that are here. But yes when you quit a fight it stays with you forever unless you are at the end of your career. And sometimes that will still affect you. But if Duran got that annoyed with Leonard for fighting that way, I think Floyd would also frustrate him too. Whether he wins or not I am not sure. But there are plenty of boxers out there that say Floyd is the GOAT, I don’t agree but they would know more than us because we are just fans. That is all I was saying.

Posted September 25, 2013 1:06 pm 


PEEJ

Floyd vs Pac will never happen as long as Pac is under Top Rank. Top Rank knows there boxing and was not gonna let someone that was not under the Top Rank banner beat one of there cash cows with ease as Floyd would of done with Pac.

Posted September 25, 2013 12:31 pm 


Cyrus

My homie Supreme Court in the house and got the beat and makin Detroit City come alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

youtube.com/watch?v=nS8w3e7k8kg

Posted September 25, 2013 12:14 pm 


Brooklyn guy

Pacman n May will fight next year. Mayweather will win by decision. Pacman will retire. Mayweather then takes 1 or 2 more fights , wins and retire.

Posted September 25, 2013 11:28 am 


Brooklyn guy

Every New Yorker on esb knows Sean Redmond aka SREDMOND aka Supreme Creep. He’s famous.

Posted September 25, 2013 10:57 am 


Happyboy

Truth hurts JH aka” Happy B0y”

Posted September 25, 2013 10:56 am 


Public Enemy

Mayweather Punked the Entire Nation of Mexico and the stateside Mexican American Wannabees… They got to watch the Beat down of their beloved Great Mexican Boxing Hope Cinnabum.. for free.. LOL now the nation is in mourning..

Posted September 25, 2013 10:44 am 


Anonymous

THE LEGENDS OF BOXING ARE LONG GONE. TODAY YOU GOT DRUG CHEATS AND PRIMA DONNA”S.

Posted September 25, 2013 10:24 am 


malachi

kontiki`for real man!!!!

Posted September 25, 2013 10:22 am 


Anonymous

Kontiki, this is a boxing forum. I bet you’ll be able to find a lot of interesting forums about “functional and structural properties of a complex polymer” if that’s what gets u going.

Posted September 25, 2013 10:02 am 


Anonymous

Supreme Court IS SREDMOND!!! Don’t you get it?!

Posted September 25, 2013 9:35 am 


Haimat

Tex, these guys are bulldozers. I don’t see anybody stopping them. HBO, Showtime are terrified since these foreigners don’t bring any PPV numbers to speak of. At least HBO is trying to build GGG up.

Posted September 25, 2013 9:28 am 


Haimat

Supreme Court, I hope for your sake and more specifically for your sanity’s sake, that you’re paid handsomely by Floyd to post with such nut-hugging passion that’s unheard of except for Boxtradamus/Correctamundo/Iseeit and SREDMOND.

Posted September 25, 2013 9:25 am 


MJames

Please please do not let Amir Khan get a shot at Mayweather. Chinny Khan is already ducking out of a fight with Devon Alexander. He must think a fight with “Money” is happening in May 2014? Please no. Khan is a joke, he’s never fought at welterweight, has no belts and got floored by past-his-prime Julio Diaz last time out. How can Khan possibly deserve a fight against Mayweather? It’s crazy. Please don’t let it happen!

Posted September 25, 2013 9:05 am 


Supreme Court

Mr. Mayweather is the Cinderella story. From top Michigan street thug to:

Mr. Mayweather has been a natural director in his All Access hit shows.

Mr. Mayweather is a budding music producer.

Mr. Mayweather is Mr. Charity.

Mr. Mayweather is a top boxing Promoter.

Mr. Mayweather is boxing’s GOAT.

Savwafair est C’est la vie.

Posted September 25, 2013 8:18 am 


Al Haymon and the FCC

Russos aint slick. Russos go home.

Posted September 25, 2013 8:17 am 


Tex

Hmmm..seems Rigondeaux, kovalev, Korobov, Golovkin, get no fights in the USA? HBO even dropped the Klitchkos for a while.

Posted September 25, 2013 7:52 am 


Happy Boy

…and Top Rank aint ran by no real Hebrew because real Hebrews have dreads and melanin in their heads

Posted September 25, 2013 7:31 am 


Happyboy

Smthin tells me Mr Joseph Herron is 0N T0P RANK PAYR0LL! Just a feeling.

Posted September 25, 2013 7:08 am 


Haimat

TARK, there’s an amateur fight between Korobov and Kovalev on youtube. Check it out!

Posted September 25, 2013 4:00 am 


Tj

NEMESIS,

YOU FORGOT THE GREAT AZUMAH NELSON at Featherweight…. However, Floyd did not box professionally at the Featherweight limit, but my greats there were SALVADOR SANCHEZ, followed by SANDY SADDLER and WILLIE PEP…. Did you mention EUSEBIO PEDROZA at Featherweight also?

Posted September 25, 2013 3:59 am 


Haimat

Nemesis, depending on who sets the rules as far as weight, gloves, ring size, venue etc, I’d say about a third of the fighters you mention woop Floyd.

Posted September 25, 2013 3:58 am 


Haimat

TARK, Kovalev is a decent fighter who punches hard. He’s raised in the amateurs and was a tough SOG. He was never an elite amateur fighter. He lost clearly to stand outs like Korobov and Golovkin. Calzaghe would woop his behind at this stage of his career(and probably every stage of his career). You’re blind if you don’t see that.

Golovkin is a great fighter but unproven above 160. My money would be on Calzaghe any day of the week. Let him fight Floyd at 154. Golovkin and Sanchez keep on repeating that 154 is no problem at all. He’s actually smaller than Canelo.

Posted September 25, 2013 3:56 am 


Beej

Mayweather has NOT had the opposition of some of his more all-round talented (in many opinions) peers. Not only that, in his higher weight he has NOT, beyond all doubt , even sought out two or three serious challenges from an opponent at their *physical and market * peak.

He is an ATG for his skills, hard work, dedication, great longevity, match -up shrewdness and money-earning!

He is NOT the best ever as an all-round boxer or for one who took on the hardest challenges and dominated.

As he says with his OWN words; He builds fighters up, beats them with his skills and ability and takes your money…lol.

Posted September 25, 2013 3:03 am 


Haters Just Keep on Respawning

SREDMOND said Floyd would beat Duran?? BWAHAHAHA! That ducker fraud wouldn’t even fight Duran now what makes he’d go anywhere near a prime one? Easy work for Duran. KO before the 10th round 150% guaranteed.

Posted September 25, 2013 2:38 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

Angelina, ready to go baby. the rash is all cleared on my tongue…

Posted September 25, 2013 2:10 am 


Pratt

Yah, Floyd takes out Gatti like he did Hatton. But, Roberto is a different story. I think Hands of Stone takes Mayo like he did Leonard in fight number 1. Duran SD over FMJ.

Posted September 25, 2013 2:01 am 


JWales

Yes grasshopper, that is exactly why he picked Gatti but elders want him to challenge himself and quit acting like a typical kid who swears that candy and Mountain Dew are better for him than kale and broccoli.

Posted September 25, 2013 1:43 am 


JWales

Oh sure you do and thats why you spend so much time here enabling Floyd’s self destruction when we try to expose the denial

So yeah Corales, a married man at the time with several children was spiritually, physically, and mentally broken by divorce; for in marriage two become as one.

Floyd on the other hand sees the woman in his harem as what he referred to as African booties and legs who are always kept in their so called proper place. In other words, Floyd is more concerned about sharing property

Posted September 25, 2013 1:35 am 


SREDMOND

What’s the BIG deal about Calzaghe beating a GGG or Kovalev NEITHER GUY is a proven Great fighter..GGG does not even fight at 168 he’s a MW with a nicely padded resume…Calzaghe is a far more proven fighter giving him the nod in these fantasy matchups is no big deal… GGG has a lot clowns on here “cum drunk” because he’s been stopping a bunch if C level fighters Wakeup….

Posted September 25, 2013 1:24 am 


Angelina Fatchalini

Hi Ernie……how about a nice open faced RB sandwich with mayo dripping over the edges?? My little Ernie Balernie.

Posted September 25, 2013 1:20 am 


SREDMOND

SREDMOND BELOW

Posted September 25, 2013 1:07 am 


JWales

Sredmond Floyd knew he’d be protected in the county and out quick because he always gets bailed out. Heck, I bet you didnt know that his live-in baby momma had to call 911 the day Floyd got outa his last jail. You know the lady walking on egg shells that Floyd felt he needed to teach how to speak to the camera. The dude thinks his harem belongs to him like sex slaves and with all these bailouts he will ever change .

Corales on the other hand was effected by his deed much differently. He was a wreck, got divorced and went to prison for 14 moths for less than what the Mayweathers have done. Then to top it off, Mayweather invited Corales’ ex to the fight. Not everybody reacts the same.

Posted September 25, 2013 12:44 am 


….. …….. ……… ……… …..

Worst posters on ESB

1.SREDMOND aka Supreme Court
2.TARK
3.PEEJ

Posted September 25, 2013 12:09 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

Tard, who were those champions again you trained to give you all that experience?…

Posted September 24, 2013 11:07 pm 


Tomato Can

No doubt, about it, Tark…

Posted September 24, 2013 10:54 pm 


Tomato Can

Whocares, don’t forget to remind your kids that Mayweather’s longevity was much greater than your favorites, because of his safety first style. Don’t forget to tell them about Hearn’s slurred speech, Leonard’s torn retina, Duran’s obesity, and Hagler’s bitterness… Once again I mean no disrespect to these fighters, but you got to be sure to tell the truth when you do a critique, right?

Posted September 24, 2013 10:53 pm 


TARK

I knew Corrales couldn’t box and that Mayweather would beat him easy.. I just expected Corrales to fight better.. He was badly weight drained.

It’s nothing short of amazing to me when fighters show up for the most important fights of their lives … and they’re unprepared.

Posted September 24, 2013 10:52 pm 


Tomato Can

Whocares, did you also know, that Corrales wasn’t in any wars until after he was totally out classed by Mayweather? Just asking, Cause you stated that Corrales had already seen to many wars by the time he fought Mayweather.

Posted September 24, 2013 10:48 pm 


Tomato Can

You do follow boxing right? Did you know that when Mayweather beat Angel Manfreddie, that Angel was coming off a big win over Gatti, in his prime? Did you know Mayweather annihilated Angel? Do you really think Gatti ever could have beaten Mayweather, even on his best night? Don’t get me wrong, I like Gatti “RIP” he gave us a lot of great fights…

Posted September 24, 2013 10:45 pm 


TARK

UK.., “Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao, the two highest paid sportsmen in the world according to Forbes magazine, shows the potential revenue that can be achieved within boxing.

Mayweather’s upcoming bout against Saul “Canelo” Alvarez, live and exclusive in the UK on BoxNation, is set to break PPV records along with it’s already record setting live gate and closed circuit record. And these boxers and level of event show the huge demand and potential of the sport.”

So Mayweather is a DUD??? And Boxing is DEAD???

Posted September 24, 2013 10:45 pm 


Tomato Can

Hey Whocares please elaborate a little more on this statement “Corrales had already too many wars on his record, same with Gatti.” I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying.

Posted September 24, 2013 10:42 pm 


Whocares

@ Patrick2, I am not dim-witted, just shows your intolerance. When judges score fights, they differ. Some reward aggression, others clean punching or volume punching. I genuinely have to see something admirable in a boxer beyond boxing skill or so called boxing IQ. In Money Mayweather I don’t see it, the Canelo fight certainly did not prove anything to me. He beat a kid, who was weakened by weight limitation and not ready for the stage of this fight….
Sugar Ray Leonard was a defensive fighter too, but he proved himself against the best and took risks. The same with Ali, who at least early in his career was defensive, but he gave us fights that will be remembered in a 100 years from now. Tell me one fight that Mayweather will be remembered for, just one! The De La Hoya fight was a business transaction…and a lot of his other fights were low risk against pre or post prime fighters. The best he fought when they were dangerous was Castillo and Judah…Corrales had already too many wars on his record, same with Gatti. So please name one fight that Mayweather will be remembered for, other than having held onto his “0”…

Posted September 24, 2013 10:37 pm 


ESB KnuckleDragger

Those who say Mayweather is boring are the same ones who prefer MMA cage matches that bring forth two men rolling around together on the mat.

Posted September 24, 2013 10:25 pm 


TARK

I also found it interesting that John David Jackson, Kovalev’s trainer, had no problems with fighting the undefeated Cleverly in the UK.

Jackson.., “We’re not concerned about a hometown decision at all.. If Cleverly made it through 12 rounds by some miracle, he would be so badly beaten up that no one would mistake him for the winner.”

Posted September 24, 2013 10:18 pm 


ESB KnuckleDragger

GGG is on a collision corse with Ward, not Mayweather. Quit trying to wish Anorexia onto GGG. He’s fighting at middle weight for a reason, enjoy him there.

Posted September 24, 2013 10:17 pm 


Patrick2

@ whocares — The subtle shifts in pace, the masterful use of angles, the on-the-spot adaptability-this is what boxing at its highest level is all about. To true boxing fans, a Mayweather master class is every bit as entertaining as a two-fisted brawl. Genius is only boring to the poorly-informed and the legitimately dim-witted.

Posted September 24, 2013 10:14 pm 


TARK

Harsh Reality.., “Calzaghe would kick Golovkin and Kovalev’s behinds. He would batter the life out of both of them. Untouchable. Unbeatable. Undeniable.” LMFAO… Untouchable??? Calzaghe???

Calzaghe gets floored hard by crude swinger Byron MItchell… Gets floored hard by washed up Roy Jones who Glen Johnson and Antonio Tarver stretched for 10 minutes and a 10-count respectively… Gets floored hard by 43-year-old Bernard Hopkins, who already lost a number of fights… Refuses to fight Carl Froch.. Glen Johnson.. Antonio Tarver.. Chad Dawson.. or ANY great prime fighter for that matter.

So that’s the guy is going to beat Sergei Kovalev??? NO! He wouldn’t beat Andre Ward either.. Not a chance in the world because Calz was a face first brawler who even the clumsy Kessler caught with heavy blows. Kessler couldn’t hit Andre Ward in the behind.

Nathan Cleverly was another unbeaten Welsh Light Heavyweight Champion with a brawling style almost identical to Calzaghe’s.. In fact Cleverly received a lot of training from Enzo Calzaghe and had many of the same exact stance, punch execution, and defensive flaws Calzaghe had.

What did Kovalev do with that 27-0 unbeaten wonder??? He smashed him out early after dominating him like a 4-round fighter.

Posted September 24, 2013 10:10 pm 


Anonymous

B Red you’re either blind or an idiot, it looks like you’re both.

GGG is the most dangerous fighter in the world.

Mayweather is a cherry picking chicken.

Keep ducking GGG Floyd!

Posted September 24, 2013 10:03 pm 


Whocares

Mayweather beat Marquez already, styles make fights, no reason to see it again IMO. Bradley and Rios won’t stand a chance because of Mayweather’s defensive style and one-punch speed (not power, he doesn’t have it despite bulking up). Pacquiao may be interesting, because of his own speed and good punching power, if Floyd takes risks, which is unlikely. Mayweather should just retire, get lost and shuv his money. No punching power and boring cherry picker throughout his career. Can’t blame him, he is a business man, who is avoiding brain damage. However, because of his style, and lack of exciting fights (pay-per-view revenue does not matter to me), he will be forgotten and never on top of the ATG lists (at least not mine…). He may end up in top ten lists, but there are so many other fighters I will remember and tell my kids about other than Mayweather, e.g. Pacquiao, Duran, Chavez, SRR, Ali, etc. and I rather think about Corrales and Gatti, these are men. Can’t wait for post-Mayweather era. Not going to waste any pay-per-view penny for him. And do not ask who I think I am. I am following boxing for a while, have my opinion and admire courage, honesty and character in this brutal sport. Mayweather has none of these IMO.

Posted September 24, 2013 9:38 pm 


Patrick2

Vivek, another great article! Next for Floyd: I’d love to see the winner of either Bradley vs Marquez OR the winner of Pac vs Rios.

Posted September 24, 2013 8:48 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Well, if nothing else Vivek’s return to ESB has fueled a lot of discussion. Note the first few weeks it was somewhat low, now it’s 200+ comments every week. Of course he’s settled into a Floyd all day everyday format that deliberately asks polarizing questions. But whatever floats your boat.

Posted September 24, 2013 8:42 pm 


B Red

GGG the best in the world by beating Rosado,Ishida and Macklin? hahahaha. Gtfoh

Posted September 24, 2013 8:42 pm 


Anonymous

Keep running away from Golovkin, you know he’ll knock you out in less than 3 rounds Mayweather.

Mayweather the chicken.

GGG is the best in the world!

Posted September 24, 2013 8:36 pm 


B Red

Pac has been knocked out 3 times already, no pun intended

Posted September 24, 2013 8:33 pm 


B Red

Duran vs Mosley @135 would have been a great fight, ya dig

Posted September 24, 2013 8:29 pm 


PEEJ

Yeah the way Duran quit against Leonard in the rematch imagine what Floyd would do. Not saying he would definitely win but if he got aggravated with Leonard the Floyd would get on every nerve he had

Posted September 24, 2013 8:27 pm 


PEEJ

E in Denver. I have stated multiple times I never wanted to see Pac vs Floyd. I always thought Floud would beat Pac easy. Always and I still do. Yes it was good for boxing business back then and would do a million something buys. But I’ve never felt Pac could beat Floyd. Pac has no defense and that would cost him starting very early in the fight

Posted September 24, 2013 8:25 pm 


B Red

FLoyd is looking much better since his dad became lead trainer. Theres a great chance he will retre undefeated

Posted September 24, 2013 8:25 pm 


Joseph Herron

Young trainer Rick Morones Jr. was in TMT’s camp throughout the entire weekend of the fight, and will talk about his experience with Mayweather and company.

His segment begins at the 10:20 PM EST mark of the two hour Pugilist KOrner broadcast.

The number of the show is 718-506-1506!!

Show begins at 9PM EST, with interviews with Edwin Rodriguez, Vic Darchinyan, Delvin Rodriguez, Virgil Hunter, Rick Morones Jr, and Joel Diaz Jr!!

The press release for the show with the internet link is on the ESB front page!!

Posted September 24, 2013 8:23 pm 


SREDMOND

E in Denver, we just have to disagree on that, I respect Duran but Mayweathers style is 100% wrong for him.. Floyd’s reach, speed and accuracy would keep him on the short end of the stick..

Posted September 24, 2013 8:23 pm 


PEEJ

Funny but didn’t Floyd fight a HOF fighter in Cotto before going to jail?

Posted September 24, 2013 8:22 pm 


E in Denver

“…Duran is an EASY night for Floyd Mayweather his aggression is Floyd’s wet dream!!!…” BS. In his prime Duran was no walk in the park for anyone at any time. What Jr does have that Duran lacked was excellent conditioning between fights. On that premise I can’t state that Duran wouldn’t lose a fight to Jr above 135. Duran did have difficulty with some slippery opponents(Benitez comes to mind). But Duran’s aggression was usually balanced by one of the most underrated defenses of any fighter. Duran could slip, parry while moving forward then attack seamlessly, always behind the jab. This isn’t Ricky Hatton we are talking about.

Posted September 24, 2013 8:03 pm 


E in Denver

Peej-“..but Floyd still sells much more than Pac….” I am not arguing that. But you are missing the point. You are talking like an accountant. Let us pretend you are a boxing fan. Who has Jr not beat in his own division(welter)? Who is the next biggest draw in or around the division? Who currently has title stats that match Jr’s? One man will come up in the answers to all these questions. This is the only logical match up for Jr. Even if both guys don’t want it, it is what is/was supposed to happen.

Posted September 24, 2013 7:19 pm 


dtoyS

Its time for Floyd to stop masquerading as a welterweight and fighting only 140 pounders, after beating a solid 172 pounds Canelo with ease he should start fighting the 154 pounders like Trout, Molina, Lara, even GGG said that he would come down to 154 to face Floyd. as for Canelo he should take a long lay-off and keep his nutritionist so he could go down to 147 where he won’t ran out of gas/stamina and clean out the welterweight and jr.welterweight division.

Posted September 24, 2013 7:19 pm 


Who is Trout?

The clues are right there in front of your eyes.

Posted September 24, 2013 6:51 pm 


Who is Trout?

”Who has Trout beaten? I’d never heard of him until he fought Cotto. Cotto looked old to me in that fight.”

Floyd Mayweather speaking about Austin Trout a few days ago. Austin Trout is Canelo’s only only real ‘meaningful’ win.

Oops. Way to shoot yourself in the foot. Floyd Mayweather does that an awful lot.

Posted September 24, 2013 6:50 pm 


JWales

Canelo has avoided the top tier at 154 including Molina, Angulo, Lara, Martirosyan, Kirkland and so has Floyd

Be it music or boxing, these days the most hyped are usually not that great, .

Posted September 24, 2013 6:42 pm 


Pratt

For a small guy Floyd does pretty good for himself, but he should become undisputed Champion at some weight class. His best shot is at Super Welter Weight since he has 2 of the 4 belts already. Then he should fight Manny Pac for credibility stats only. Then he could achieve his life long dream of becoming an Equine Jockey. He has lots of stuff to do. Then become a Billionaire.

Posted September 24, 2013 6:38 pm 


JWales

Canelo never fought anyone great

Posted September 24, 2013 6:26 pm 


HARSH REALITY

Night Stalker don’t be so jealous you moron. Everything about Joe Calzaghe is factual. 46-0. 2 weight Ring World Champion. Unbeaten for over 20 years. Whupped Jones, Hopkins, Kessler, Lacy. All you Yanks ran away from him. He’d kick Golovkin and Kovalev’s behinds. He would batter the life out of both of them. Untouchable. Unbeatable. Undeniable.

HARSH REALITY

Posted September 24, 2013 6:25 pm 


JWales

You mean the Gatti that was cake walked by Alfonzo Gomez? You mean the Diego Corales that was on his way to 17 months in Prison right before he fought Mayweather?

Posted September 24, 2013 6:25 pm 


SREDMOND

Canelo was the BEST at 154 he had the belts and the perception was his size, power and solid boxing ability gave him a chance. Well he LOST so how can we ding Floyd for that? He spotted the kid 13 years and 15 pounds….Danny Garcia is a fine young Champ but he’s NOT better than Canelo…Floyd likely will give Garcia a shot and the post mortem will be “Mayweather was huge” way too big for a guy who might outweigh him on fight night… These excuses NEVER END… People are yelling GGG, explain to me how Golovkins resume is better than Canelos? And how he (GGG) is NOT even top dog at 160 yet he has been put on the “approved list” Contradictions abound..

Posted September 24, 2013 6:24 pm 


PEEJ

He didn’t want those test back then though. They never mentioned any other testing agency. Also Floyd has paid for every testing, him and his opponent. So if Floyd is flipping the bill there was no point in refusing

Posted September 24, 2013 6:24 pm 


PEEJ

Garcia vs Broner would be a good fight. I’m not sure if I can pick against Garcia again unless it’s against Floyd. Or maybe Bradley. 2 fighters who refuse to lose

Posted September 24, 2013 6:22 pm 


JWales

USADA test aint hardly caught shlt and even then, its like ten years later. Manny wanted the superior WADA and was wise to not trust USADA’s Trevls Tygert who plays golf with De la Toilet

Posted September 24, 2013 6:20 pm 


SREDMOND

Reality is that NO FIGHTER In history from 147 down is cake walking Floyd Mayweather… People act like these older boxers were made of Plutonium… Floyd makes his BEST opponents look easy and his easiest opponents look easier.. None of the 4 was as consistent from round to round as Floyd who is simply ALWAYS in the zone.. The notion that any of them could treat him like he treated Gatti or Corrales is pure nonsense… We are witnessing one of the MOST dominant fighters in history… He has FOUGHT more rounds than Leonard I’m sure yet has never been bouncing off the canvas or covered in hematoma’ or had his retina detached because he could not negate the SAME PUNCH for 14 rounds…. I love Ray and his heroics but even he said he would not go for Floyd’s chin “it’s too hard to hit”

Posted September 24, 2013 6:16 pm 


terror tim

I wish Broner and Garcia would fight and the winner take Floyd. That would give the young fighter a bit time fight under their belt and give them a top P4P ranking. If we didn’t have the promotion problems I would say fight Broner and Garcia and the winner of that take on JMM and Bradley with the over all winner taking Floyd on.

Posted September 24, 2013 6:15 pm 


terror tim

Canelo the best fighter under 160lbs, really? That is a joke. What makes him better than JMM? How about either Mikey Garcia or Danny Garcia? Sorry but Canelo has one good victory on his resume and you can’t just that about Canelo just to make a fighter you like in Floyd look better. It was a great opponent for Floyd to take but he isn’t the best guy under 160, sorry.

Posted September 24, 2013 6:11 pm 


SREDMOND

Duran is an EASY night for Floyd Mayweather his aggression is Floyd’s wet dream!!! He never stopped one of his ATG opponents (Hearns flattened him) Leonard and Floyd is a toss up… Tommy Hearns physically would be a challenge he was a LONG man for a WW but Tommy was also a guy who would abandon a winning gameplan and get knocked out in the process Floyd is just a SMARTER fighter than Hearns was he was leading and let a half blind Leonard stop him in the 14th round!!! It’s still a tough call but on a given night Floyd could prevail against either guy… Floyd beats Duran 9.5 out of 10 times…

Posted September 24, 2013 6:09 pm 


Tnt

Again, how could these fighters have beaten Floyd when we know for sure that Floyd is the most skilled ever. And…… athletes today are physically sharper and fitter. Pls haters address my two points as know one has been able to do this yet.

Posted September 24, 2013 5:58 pm 


Haimat

Duran beats Floyd hands down. Leonard beat Floyd. Hearns beats Floyd. Even Floyd’s own uncle Roger agrees with me on this one. Cheers

Posted September 24, 2013 5:44 pm 


Haimat

Tark, at what perticular point did Floyd give Pac “great terms”?

Posted September 24, 2013 5:42 pm 


Night Stalker

Harsh Reality = Idiot

Posted September 24, 2013 5:35 pm 


TARK

And if you think Marvin Hagler had all those fights and deserved to retire early rather than fight those great middleweights?

What about Carlos Monzon — who had a lot MORE fights and defended the Middleweight Championship MORE times against better fighters … and obviously fought to an older age than Hagler???

Posted September 24, 2013 5:05 pm 


TARK

Masque of Red Death says.., “George Foreman, SRL, Mike Tyson, Marvin Hagler” … “Floyd Mayweather is a coward and he’s ducking Pacquioa”.

LMFAO ….

Floyd gave Pac GREAT terms. Pacquiao accepted 4 years later. Floyd moved Heaven and Earth to get the Pacquiao fight done. It will STILL happen if Pacquiao simply manages to beat the very punchable Rios.

But you can’t say George Foreman wanted to fight Larry Holmes… You can’t say Ray Leonard wanted to fight Michael Nunn or Mike McCallum… You can’t say Mike Tyson wanted to fight the Klitschkos… and you can’t say Marvin Hagler didn’t retire rather than fight Mike McCallum or Michael Nunn—to put himself in line for Leonard II.

Floyd didn’t retire at 32 because tough great young boxers were out there who might beat him—such as Hagler did.. Floyd’s still looking for fights.

Posted September 24, 2013 4:59 pm 


SREDMOND

Floyd Mayweather is one of the HARDEST boxers to be a critic of because he never gives his detractors anything but subjective commentary and “what if” scenarios to attack… He handily defeats his opponents and does not absorb the career ending beatings other boxers accumulate… For 17 years the desperate attackers have waited in the wings praying for the normally inevitable loss, yet despite encounters with a number of Hall of Famers, plenty or current or standing ex Champs he keeps Turing the knife in the guys of his enemies…20 or 22 World Championship fights without a blemish!!! Canelo was supposed to provide some relief to the long suffering but instead he has become another stat, a cautionary tale about how GREAT FMJ still is at 36…. It has truly been easy to be a fan!

Posted September 24, 2013 4:49 pm 


The Masque of Red Death

But you’re right facts are excellent at shutting things down

Posted September 24, 2013 4:44 pm 


PEEJ

He said that to Costas because Pac would not take the test.

Posted September 24, 2013 4:43 pm 


The Masque of Red Death

But I’ve only posted in a few. Five tops.

Posted September 24, 2013 4:41 pm 


PEEJ

E in Denver they may have landed on the mexican holidays but Floyd still sells much more than Pac. Na he sold a mil against Guerrero, someone who really has no fan base.

Posted September 24, 2013 4:41 pm 


Anonymous

you kill every thread. Congratulations!!!!

Posted September 24, 2013 4:39 pm 


The Masque of Red Death

I do try to be. The best part is knowing you’re actually succeeding. Because I do like that.

Posted September 24, 2013 4:35 pm 


Anonymous

you’re an annoying person.

Posted September 24, 2013 4:32 pm 


The Masque of Red Death

Meh. I haven’t even warmed up yet.

Posted September 24, 2013 4:31 pm 


Anonymous

NOOOOO!!!!

Posted September 24, 2013 4:27 pm 


The Masque of Red Death

Want some more?

Posted September 24, 2013 4:26 pm 


The Masque of Red Death

George Foreman, SRL, Mike Tyson, Marvin Hagler, 50 Cent.

”Floyd Mayweather is a coward and he’s ducking Manny Pacquioa”

Posted September 24, 2013 4:26 pm 


The Masque of Red Death

Smog

Posted September 24, 2013 4:23 pm 


Anonymous

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Posted September 24, 2013 4:23 pm 


SREDMOND

Calzaghe is solid Hall of Famer but he evokes NO gasps or lengthy discussions of his exploits his regional fighting a sad attempts to oversell wins against the elderly are not resonating… Had he convincingly beat Hops down I would extend more credit but he won and S/D, hit the canvas and left Hops completely unscathed with his “raggedy punching” as Enzo Calzaghe called it.. Joes win over Jones is akin to a vulture swooping down on what’s left of a carcass….

Posted September 24, 2013 4:22 pm 


Anonymous

The Masque of Red Death

YOU AGAIN DEATH STAR?????

Posted September 24, 2013 4:21 pm 


The Masque of Red Death

(This week Floyd Mayweather admitted to reporters in Las Vegas that he won’t fight Manny Pacquiao because of health concerns and again accused the Filippino of using PEDs without any evidence. This is the article I penned two months ago for BoxingInsider.com about Floyd admitting his fear and cowardice of Pacquiao.)

Now the truth has finally been confirmed by Floyd Mayweather himself: He’s afraid of getting pounded on like a punching bag by Manny Pacquiao.

Mayweather admitted this to Bob Costas in an NBC show interview about why he doesn’t want to fight Pacquiao. “I am in the game to win, not just inside the ring, but outside the ring,” stated Mayweather. “My health is more important than anything.”

Costas then countered with, “Are you implying there is something to fear in Manny Pacquiao?”

Floyd: “I don’t fear no one. If you’re insinuating that I’m a scared fighter, why would you want to watch a scared fighter?”

Earlier in the interview, Mayweather mentioned Muhammad Ali’s health. “With or without Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather is okay. Floyd Mayweather fights for Floyd Mayweather. At the end of the day, Floyd Mayweather has to be happy and comfortable…Look at the Ali situation. Fans pushed him to get into fights at the end of his career that he didn’t want to get in…If Ali could trade it all in for his health, he would.”

(Note: Let me correct Floyd. Ali was not forced by fans to get in the ring with Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Ken Norton, Larry Holmes or Trevor Berbick. Money, pride and a fearless belief in his skills were the motivation for Ali to take those fights.)

Floyd also said: “One shot can end your whole career. Boxing is a very deadly sport.”

Costas said Floyd has to fight Pacquiao, to see who is the best, to give the fans what they want and to pump up the sport with a much-needed big, exciting, Super Bowl event: “I come first. Self preservation. I gotta worry about my family. If the fight don’t happen, so be it.”

There you go: “Self preservation.” So the reasons Mayweather gave us for two years of ducking and dodging Pacquiao – drug tests, fake retirements, Manny has to leave Arum and be his own boss, no 50-50 split, he doesn’t need Manny, it’s all Bob Arum’s fault, etc. – were indeed mere smokescreens, bluffs and lies. Cleverly but dishonestly used to cover up the real secret truth – Mayweather fears for his health because he knows Pacquiao would simply beat the hell out of him.

Mayweather knows his skills that pay the bills wouldn’t work against Manny Pacquiao. Mayweather does not have the confidence that his all-time great defensive skills will be able to control and subdue Pacquiao and maintain his unbeaten record and his good health, against the relentless assualts that Manny Pacquiao would unleash on him.

This surprising admission by Mayweather now puts heavy pressure on HBO. The sport of boxing is supposed to be about the best gladiators testing their courage and talents against the best of the best. Now HBO must fully recognize, if they paid attention to what Floyd Mayweather told NBC’s Bob Costas, that Floyd Mayweather is a manufactured fraud, a coward who is unworthy of being marketed and promoted as a premium sports attraction. (Vitali Klitschko said he would rather die than give Dereck Chisora anything.) Mayweather is a pretender who would be better suited for the world of professional wrestling.

It would be counterproductive for the most powerful television network in American boxing to promote and market, with maximum resources, a cowardly fraud who doesn’t care about the sport or it’s fans, only about perserving his own career with safe, low-risk, set up opponents.

“I’m in a great position, a very lucrative position,” Mayweather told Costas, who was pressuring him to accept the 50-50 split with Pacquiao. “I’m NOT giving up the split. I can’t. I can’t afford to.”

Of course he can’t and won’t. Mayweather and his advisor Al Haymon manipulate HBO and the public like subordinates. With HBO’s promotional machine at their beck and call, Mayweather and Haymon think they can keep on going for as long as they wish, making easy money safe “fights” via their stooges at HBO and most of the American media.

Shouldn’t the vast resources of HBO be better served to be used to invest in true, real, fearless champions like the Klitschkos, Bute, Ward, Martinez, Doniare, Rigondeaux, Proksa, Dawson, Bradley, Peterson, etc. in order to retain the credibility and honor of the noble sport? Shouldn’t HBO be expected to deliver to sports fans the best of the best versus the best, not rewarding cowardly frauds who are afraid of getting beaten up to the point of losing their health, while trumpeting them as heroic champions?

Surely, Thomas Hauser will be able to consult HBO to wake up and adhere to this simple basic premise won’t he? Or are the powers that be at HBO so wrapped around the fingers of Haymon and Mayweather that the Mayweather fraud show will go on for another five or ten years?

If HBO continues to knowingly and willingly support a cowardly fraud like Mayweather, how many other outrageous errors in judgement can we expect to see down the road by the powers that be at HBO and what will be the inevitable consequences on our great sport which has so diminished and declined in popularity and credibility over the last 10-15 years?

Don’t forget, Mayweather already told us that he doesn’t love boxing anymore like he used to because “it’s not real anymore.”

With that in mind, can we really expect Mayweather vs. Cotto to be fought at full intensity on May 5, since Mayweather said his “self preservation” is top priority? If Mayweather is, as he says, so concerned about his health, which is “more important than anything”, how do we know for sure he and Cotto won’t make one of those Teddy Atlas silent agreements? Like Floyd told us at Fight hype, “Boxing isn’t real anymore.”

I mean, how much longer can this great deception be allowed to contaminate the sport of boxing?

And you have to wonder if, after this Mayweather revelation to Costas, the powers that be at HBO continue to permit Mayweather’s advisor Al Haymon to use and manipulate the network like his own personal broadcasting service, like he has done for the last five years with Mayweather, Broner, Arreola, Williams, Jacobs, Berto, Mitchell, etc. How many more super fights will be canceled because one fighter and his advisor fear coming out on the loser’s end, which would destroy their “great position” and leverage?

We know now Floyd Mayeather is afraid for his health and well being and that’s why he won’t ever fight Manny Pacquiao. He told this to Bob Costas on national TV. Now the chips must fall where they may.

Posted September 24, 2013 4:18 pm 


The Masque of Red Death

LAS VEGAS — Floyd Mayweather Jr. delivered quite a performance Tuesday and it had nothing to do with his boxing skills.

A question sparked a 10-minute speech from Mayweather, regarding the tireless topic of why he and fellow pound-for-pound great Manny Pacquiao have not come to terms on a potential multimillion dollar fight.

In a response that eventually drew applause from his entourage, Mayweather once again said it is “basic common sense” that Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs and getting in the ring with him would be a risk to his future health.

“Health is more important than anything,” Mayweather said. “Because guess what? When my career is over, if I’m hurt because of something that has happened in a fight, I can’t come to you and say, ‘I need (money).’ ”

Mayweather’s hardest point came when he admitted that he believes the boxing world doesn’t even care if Pacquiao is using or not — that the desire to see the two fight now surpasses any concern over his safety.

“People say, ‘We don’t give a f— if he’s taking or not; we just want to see the fight. We don’t give a f— about your health and we don’t give a f— about your family.’ ” Mayweather said.

“I care about my family. I love my family. They’re going to be there when no one else is there. When my career is over, you’re all going to move on to the next one.”

Mayweather has pointed to Pacquiao’s rise through weight classes and the transfer of his power through them as evidence of steroid use. Since 2008, Pacquiao has won titles in five weight divisions and recorded four knockouts in nine fights.

“It took me years to get to here — years,” Mayweather said. “I’m going up in weight but I’m not walking through no damn fighters. (Pacquiao) is 106; now he decides to walk through (Miguel) Cotto? Cotto can’t knock down (Shane) Mosley, but can he?”

Posted September 24, 2013 4:17 pm 


The Masque of Red Death

Floyd Mayweather is happy to admit his undefeated record has been partly built on handpicking opponents who didn’t always provide the toughest fights but did help him become the world’s best paid athlete.

“Sometimes they say, ‘Well, Floyd Mayweather’s opponents was handpicked.’ That’s a good thing,” Mayweather said in a conference call to promote Saturday’s eagerly-awaited world title fight against Mexico’s WBC and WBA super welterweight champion Saul “Canelo” Alvarez.

“I commend my team … when I sit back and I think about my career, I say ‘you know what? I had a cool career. I didn’t take any punishment’.

“If they say these guys were handpicked, they was handpicked to make $40 and $50 and $60 million, then you know what? Keep handpicking them. If they’re going to keep paying, keep handpicking them.”

Mayweather, who Forbes magazine lists as the world’s highest paid athlete, has been criticised for dodging a potential mega fight with Filipino superstar Manny Pacquiao.

Posted September 24, 2013 4:17 pm 


The Masque of Red Death

Morales, Barrera, Marquez>>>> anything on Floyd’s resume (sham of a fight against Marquez doesn’t count). Add in beating Cotto, Hatton, DLH far more impressively (and those are arguably three of Floyd’s top five opponents). Add in beating Margarito who Floyd never wanted a piece of. Pac easily has the greater resume. Add in Floyd ducked Pac for years. Add in that Floyd tested positive three times for illegal PEDs, Pac never did. Add in Floyd has never even fought a great fighter who was in their prime. Add in Floyd clearly lost to Castillo when he was in his prime. Pac>>>>>Floyd. It’s irrefutable.

Posted September 24, 2013 4:16 pm 


TARK

Sredmond says.., “Calzaghes only wins at 175 pounds were over two legends with a combined age of 84″

Sred you’re fudging on Roy’s age again. He was only 39 when he fought Calzaghe, not 41 — so a combined age of 82.. Calzaghe was probably at his best at age 36, much like Floyd.. So Calzaghe hadn’t lost anything to age … The calander doesn’t effect everyone the same.

Roy Jones was well past his expiration date.. Antonio Traver flattened Roy Jones when Roy was only 35.. Tarver was older than Roy. Glen Johnson was also older then Roy — but embalmed the 4-Division World Champion. Jones was out for 10 minutes and and Larry Merchant said, “This is the death of a king.” Roy was a cooked goose.

Anyone who fought Roy Jones after those smashing KO losses was getting 50% of Roy. That’s the version Joe Calzaghe wanted to fight.

Posted September 24, 2013 4:15 pm 


malachi

sredmond..cosigned all day!!

Posted September 24, 2013 4:10 pm 


Anonymous

CALZAGHE AVERAGE AT BEST.

Posted September 24, 2013 4:01 pm 


SREDMOND

Jones had very sliver of the LHW belt imaginable and for kicks he went and beat a HW …Joe was at 168 waiting for Jeff Lacy in order to get attention in the US… Jones beat prime versions or Toney and Hopkins meanwhile Calzaghes only wins at 175 pounds were over two legends with a combined age of 84… He did not stop, nor put either man on his seat… It’s a commentary on the level of desperation your showing by trying to oversell a 2x concussed RJJ who’s only name win afterwards was a bloated com backing Tito Trinidad… The world knows Jones was SHOT

Posted September 24, 2013 4:00 pm 


NJ

Do you think I didn’t know you weren’t going to produce one? hehehe. Why do you think I said don’t tell me you haven’t done one? Was the sarcasm to subtle for you to detect?

You just got exposed as a complete fraud. hehehe

Adios amigo.

Posted September 24, 2013 3:57 pm 


HARSH REALITY

Joe got up, dusted himself down and then kicked their behinds.

HARSH REALITY

Posted September 24, 2013 3:55 pm 


HARSH REALITY

SRedmond. Then why did Jones repeatedly duck Joe for all those years when he was chasing him?

HARSH REALITY

Posted September 24, 2013 3:52 pm 


SREDMOND

Joes win over an antiquated Roy Jones was simply him beating “a name”
That’s right there with Larry Holmes beating a half dead Ali…
A solid or even decent version of a once Great fighter was LONG gone… Roy Jones 2 days before Tarver stopped him would have left Calzaghe flopping like a fish…

Posted September 24, 2013 3:48 pm 


HARSH REALITY

SRedmond. The likes of Jones, Nunn, Toney and Tarver all became contortionists in ducking Joe as did the likes of Steve Collins and Nigel Benn. They all caught a dose of pusillanimous.

HARSH REALITY

Posted September 24, 2013 3:47 pm 


SREDMOND

NJ, sadly you are in NO position to “call me out” and I am a huge fan of past Greats BUT not above calling out their shortcomings when they (Duran, Hagler, Hearns and Leonard) are used as to denigrate a present day Great fighter who is creating his own legacy… If you are so dismissive of my opinions then why have they set fire to your loins and forced you to seek a tutorial from me? You claim I say “that certain fighters should be ranked over past Greats” please provide evidence of this? And if I did does “being old” put a boxer above reproach? See you are coming from a very feminine/emotional place which usually results in your sort being left in a wretched state post cyber-encounter…

Posted September 24, 2013 3:45 pm 


B Red

Floyd has more pure boxing skils than Robinson and Leonard

Posted September 24, 2013 3:44 pm 


HARSH REALITY

PEEJ. Joe beat the living stuffing out of Roy Jones and he schooled Bernard Hopkins in his own backyard. Dream on dreamer.

HARSH REALITY

Posted September 24, 2013 3:43 pm 


HARSH REALITY

All this talk of GGG is pie in the sky. Joe Calzaghe would have schooled him more than he did Jeff Lacy, pride of USA. Joe is a three weight ABA amateur champion. I don’t think anyone has done this before, or at least for a hundred years and he hadn’t lost any fight for over 20 years.

Golovkin is good but the blurring fists of Joe would tap out the tune of We Will Rock You again and again and again on his head. All this talk of Golovkin’s footwork? Well, Joe would make him look like he had two left feet and leave him standing on the start line like a sprinter vs a novice. Golovkin would not be able to hurt Joe and if they traded Joe would bash him to bits.

So, all those raving about Golovkin you know deep down he would duck Joe lower than a limbo dancer.

He might be GGG, but Joe is XXX.

HARSH REALITY

Posted September 24, 2013 3:39 pm 


E in Denver

“..His last 2 fights against Marquez where full of Marquez fans and not Pac fans. The PPV numbers where pushed by Marquez fans…” True. The same could be said for both of Jr’s biggest PPV cards which both “coincidentally” landed on Mexican or Mexican-American holiday weekends. I think you underestimate boxing fans in general. The Marquez/Pac fights were all highly successful because they were Great fights between great fighters. I know talk of this fight has wore thin on all boxing fans. But you are far too dismissive of Pac’s celebrity.

Posted September 24, 2013 3:39 pm 


………I’m over here now

SREDMOND logs out, Supreme Court logs in.

Posted September 24, 2013 3:35 pm 


NJ

SREDMOND, I’m the person whose calling you out to show us your top 20 ATG list. You’re very disrespectful towards some of the past greats of the sport and their accomplishments so I was just wondering if you actually knew what you were talking about or were just blowing hot air. You claim certain fighters should be ranked much higher than past greats, and who and who isn’t a ATG, so let’s see your list if you’re so knowledgeable. You must have done done right? I’m only asking to see your top 20, that should be easy.

Posted September 24, 2013 3:16 pm 


SREDMOND

Once guys start DRONING on about the Race of Boxers then you know their arguments have BADLY failed them and they just join the pantheon of frustrated ESB Bigots…I could care less why a guy thinks a boxers great as long as he can support his points with boxing related facts.. There are NO quotas in my world I laud Greatness and skill and cannot be swayed with fervor or emotion… Floyd Mayweathers could take an Uzi and wipe out a small town, it would make him an EVIL person but still a Great fighter..Holla!

Posted September 24, 2013 3:10 pm 


SREDMOND

“NJ” who are you? And what perspectives have you offered to the discussion?

Posted September 24, 2013 3:04 pm 


Anonymous

BOXING USED TO HAVE REAL LEGENDS, NOW IT HAS PRIMA DONNA”S.

Posted September 24, 2013 2:58 pm 


PEEJ

Wonky could never make 147 when the were talking trash to each other

Posted September 24, 2013 2:39 pm 


PEEJ

Yes this fight would do less numbers than Floyd vs Canelo. Pacs numbers ever since the Mosley fight have dropped dramatically. His fight with Bradley didn’t sell out and the PPV numbers weren’t good since they never released the numbers. His last 2 fights against Marquez where full of Marquez fans and not Pac fans. The PPV numbers where pushed by Marquez fans. So most definitely this fight does less numbers

Posted September 24, 2013 2:38 pm 


Haimat

Supreme Court I doubt if even one person read your entire last post.

Posted September 24, 2013 2:32 pm 


Swamp hound

peej, it begs thee question of why didnt Leonard kept heehawing around with Pryor.

Winky was willing to go down to Floyd’s weight but Floyd backed out.

Posted September 24, 2013 2:16 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“Boxtradamus belong to the previous list of contributors with grey matter…” – Which proves Supreme Clown is a tard just like BoxIdiot.

Posted September 24, 2013 2:13 pm 


E in Denver

“…he(Pac) would have to look extremely good to merit a Floyd fight. Really fighting someone moving up does not merit a fight with Floyd. It would sell but it would do less numbers that Canelo did at this point at time…” Pac vs. Jr takes 2nd to Canelo? GTFOH. These two are genuine stars & the two biggest in the sport. Even considering Pac’s devastating loss to Marquez & this distasteful ducking going on in both camps, this is the biggest fight in the sport. Both guys know it. Of course the fight is well past it’s freshness date. But to say right now this fight comes in 2nd to Canelo vs. Jr is laughable. Marketability is the only per-requisite for a Jr fight in every other case.

Posted September 24, 2013 2:11 pm 


NJ

What’s your top 20 atg list Sredmond?

It would be really interesting to see because to be perfectly frank I don’t think you’re a fraction as knowledgeable as you try to make out.

Don’t tell me you haven’t done one right?

Posted September 24, 2013 1:47 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“when we compare legacies between Floyd and the “Four Kings”, aside from facing one another, can anyone name 10 top-tier contenders they faced that showcased the “higher level of opposition” many say Floyd hasn’t faced…” – Vivek is trying to avoid the fact that Duran, Leonard, Hearns and Hagler fought each other while Floyd he ducked the best fighters of his era. Ducked Tszyu at 140, ducked Williams, Margarito, Cotto, Clottey and worst of all Pacquiao at 147. It’s absurd founding your argument for Floyd’s historical value by attempting to dismiss the key issue that plagues Floyd’s legacy. Nice try though.

Posted September 24, 2013 1:45 pm 


PEEJ

When you say blow away are you talking in a couple of rounds. If this fight is extremely competitive and he just happens to catch Rios in an exchange that wouldn’t be considered a blow out. And in reality here, he would have to look extremely good to merit a Floyd fight. Really fighting someone moving up does not merit a fight with Floyd. It would sell but it would do less numbers that Canelo did at this point at time. He would need to win a couple of fights to get the talks rolling again.

Posted September 24, 2013 1:42 pm 


PEEJ

I don’t think Floyd is the GOAT but he is a great fighter and definitely the greatest of his generation. Nobody can really come close to what he has done. His legacy is already set. What ever he does now is just adding to it and icing on the cake.

Posted September 24, 2013 1:39 pm 


SREDMOND

When attacking Floyd Mayweather guys LOVE to stop at Duran, Leonard, Hagler and Hearns… Reality is these guys were certainly all ATG boxers but the truth is there have been GREAT MW’s and WW’s besides them…. This is FLOYD MAYWEATHERS time and he has beaten enough HOF level boxers to stand on his own accomplishmentss as well as SOLID young competitorss….. If Leonard had beat a multi-weight Champ like a Guerrero, Hatton or others you guys would be screaming from the rooftops but because Mayweather takes on these competitors its what? I have seen guys mention Leonards later fight with Hearns where he was LUCKY to get a draw well Mayweather fought Shane Mosley when Sugar was coming of a BIG win, not ekeing by on points he stood in the wheelhouse with Antonio Margarito and blew him OUT….. Shane was ranked and Floyd was what 33?? Leonard was getting beatdown at 34… Mayweather took Shanes best in round 2 then took him out…. How Many losses did Duran have when he faced Hearns and got starched WELL above his best fighting weight??? Floyd fought Cotto who had rehabilitated himself at 154 and was coming off a nice revenge win against Margarito… Mayweather came up in weight and delivered one of his more drama filled bouts where Cotto showed why he is a HOF fighter by being competitive throughout the contest earning Floyds respect…. But AGAIN the man who prevails when all the punches are thrown and the smoke clears his FLOYD MAYWEATHER…. If you get nasty with him he will retaliate in kind, Canelo was SHOCKED when Floyd stepped to him in the first round and backed him up with his superior Ring IQ and ability to be a Ring General…. Excuses will CONTINUE to abound but this now OLDER fighter is still winning and adding to a ridiculous legacy and monument to consistency…

Posted September 24, 2013 1:38 pm 


Kid Blast

look, If Pac blows away Rios in spectacular and dominating fashion, he immediately can lay claim to a FMG fight. Forget about personal feelings towards each fighter and look at it from a fanatical perspective. The PPV would rocket to new heights. How do you spell “compelling?”

BUT, Pac must blow away Rios. A 12 round UD will not do it.

Posted September 24, 2013 1:37 pm 


Kid Blast

A win over GGG would give him GOAT consideration. But surely a 50-0 mark would entitle him to ATG consideration. I think that’s where debate is coming to rest.

Posted September 24, 2013 1:33 pm 


SREDMOND

Joe Calzaghe is a HOF fighter but hes NOT an ATG and thats for a good reason.. Trying to sell his dominance based on ekeing by a 43 year old Bernard Hopkins is simply a joke… Leonard was not really a 168 pounder so that discussion goes out the window… The best night of Joes career was against Kessler where he beat a YOUNG STRONG guy who was there to win and later reclaimed a Championship….Calzaghe is not even discussed much because he simply fought his most noteworthy fights against guys that were in there 40’s…. Very Good HOF level boxer but thats about it for Joe C…

Posted September 24, 2013 1:28 pm 


PEEJ

Calzaghe did not have a granite chin. He would of been beaten by a prime Roy Jones. Hopkins actually put the business on Calzaghe. Yeah he had been there and he knew it. Hopkins beat Calzaghe up, Calzaghe only beat Hopkins because of his work rate and that is all. That is why Calzaghe didn’t want to entertain a rematch with Hopkins. That is why most of Calzaghes fights where over seas in or near his home.

Posted September 24, 2013 1:25 pm 


SREDMOND

Kid Blast, I would love to see that fight just to end the discussion once and for all BUT it would NEVER end because Floyd kept winning despite being older and Manny lost and lost BADLY… AT this point Mayweather has LESS to gain absent the paycheck and more to lose against Pacquiao…No matter how good Manny looks against Rios he is not gonna be the odds on favorite to beat Floyd Mayweather especially if he goes 12 rounds with a guy like Rios who is supposed to NOT be in his class… So Floyd beats Manny to objective fans its a SOLID win over an ATG fighter, to his enemies, Floyd waited for Manny to slip blah blah blah when the guy that capped Pacquiao is certainly an ATG but not someone we foresaw knocking him clean out… Pac Man and Floyd once BOTH had that aura of invincibility NOW only one man enjoys that and should he win his credit will be diluted because we saw Pacquiao crushed in recent memory… Boxing is patently ridiculous in some regards but that is kinda how it goes… The only way I see this coming off is if Pacquiao is VERY successful with Rios BUT the PPV is WEAK and it becomes abundantly clear that a career payday can only be obtained against Floyd… Pac Man cannot fight Canelo Alvarez hes too small and unlike Floyd Canelo WILL get some hard leather on Pacquiao who loves to trade shots….

Posted September 24, 2013 1:24 pm 


PEEJ

Floyd and Winky talked trash, so what, they were not in the same weight division and really Floyd would of probably beat him because he would of been able to move around Winky in my opinion. Floyd and Forrest where never in the same division so not sure how he ducked Forrest. And he never ducked Pac. You need to get your facts straight.

Posted September 24, 2013 1:22 pm 


PEEJ

So then that begs the question on how Leondard ducked Pryor if he had a detached retina and was forced to retire.

Posted September 24, 2013 1:21 pm 


HARSH REALITY

To Anonymous. Joe Calzaghe would have beaten Hagler (too quick), Duran (too big), Leonard (too strong), Hearns (too savvy), Jones (too much), Hopkins (been there, done it), Sugar Ray Robinson (too much volume), Benn (too hard), Collins (too tough), Monzon (too hard). No one in history could live with his punch output or could match his granite chin. I don’t care what you or Tark say. Calzaghe has beaten the best year in for over ten years. He never ducked any fighter and clearly beat all his rivals.

There is no room for debate. 46-0.

HARSH REALITY

Posted September 24, 2013 1:20 pm 


SREDMOND

Luis Collazo “rocking Hatton” means what? that is part of boxing we all know that Hatton was never a master of defense and frankly MOST boxers are not in order to win you need to absorb incoming traffic… Pacquiao lost to Erik Morales coming off a loss thing happen in boxing.. My point is that ALOT of Mayweather opponents are BADLY marginalized once they lose to him… Guys want him to face the “Best” at 154 well credentials (Belts, Ring Mag, Writers) say that was Canelo Alvarez but his (Floyds) detractors want someone else to be Champ (now that Canelo lost) at the weight ie GGG who has NEVER even fought in the division, MEANWHILE when you look objectively at credentials and quality of opposition GGG lags Sergio Martinez by PLENTY at 160 pounds….

Posted September 24, 2013 1:18 pm 


Public Enemy

Luis Collazo rocked Hatton and could’ve easily been given he win.. also the Kostza Tzu vs Hatton fight was the ugliest dirtiest foul filled fight mostly Hatton I’ve ever seen. The UK ref let Hatton hit Tzu with anything and everything.. Tzu just threw his hands up in the air and gave up because of the nonstop fouls.. ugly..

Posted September 24, 2013 1:07 pm 


Kid Blast

Some say FMJ who at his heavier weight classes put legacy aside to pursue match-ups that earned the biggest purses for the least amount of risk.

Others say Manny is simply the other side of the modern day equation.

I say the answer is somewhere in between and provides a compelling reason to get this fight on.

Posted September 24, 2013 1:02 pm 


SREDMOND

Say what you want about Hatton he was the lineal 140 pound Champ… He NEVER lost at 140 and got a piece of the WW pie… He had won OVER pro fights without a loss then BOOM he faces Mayweather and he’s boxed senseless and knocked out… The notion that Hatton qualifies as a “tiny fighter” is more bogus propaganda Hatton NEVER boxed below 140 as a pro to my knowledge whereas Mayweather fought as low as 130 pounds… Bottomline is that Floyd was a MUCH better Fighter which is hardly a crime… How many boxers with LESS credentials than even a Hatton have man ATGs fought? Julio Cesar Chavez fought a SLEW of fighters with poor vetting, look at the early careers of Morales and Barrera… Truth is that Hatton earned the right to face Floyd Mayweather he simply joined a line of 43 other fighters who were not up to the task…

Posted September 24, 2013 12:59 pm 


ANONYMOUS

Supreme Court aka SREDMOND is an 43 year old actor / comedian from Brooklyn!!!

twitter.com/SeanActor

Posted September 24, 2013 12:57 pm 


Joseph Herron

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Posted September 24, 2013 12:56 pm 


ANONYMOUS

SREDMOND AKA Supreme Court is an 43 year old actor / comedian from Brooklyn!!!

twitter.com/SeanActor

HE IS NOT A LECTURER!!!!

They following is BS:

Supreme Court teaches at one of the highly ranked universities in US…

Posted September 24, 2013 12:54 pm 


Tomato Can

Supreme Court, nice post as always… Thanks, the real Tomato Can…

Posted September 24, 2013 12:53 pm 


Swamp hound

Supreme Court, but most of them aliases represent ESB’s department of tr0ll traffic

Posted September 24, 2013 12:33 pm 


Swamp hound

Peej, here is an article about thy the Whataker/Quartey fight fell apart.

nytimes.com/1998/02/27/sports/plus-boxing-quartey-to-meet-whitaker-for-title.html

Peej, Pryor got tired of waiting for a fair purse from Leonard. Pryor signed to face Leonard for the undisputed 147 championship in the fall of 1982 for $750,000. Pryor was on his way to Buffalo to taunt Leonard and help hype the fight when he heard on his car radio that Leonard had suffered a detached retina. Leonard retired 6 months later

Source: Don’t Count Out Pryor-Leonard – Star-News – Nov 15, 1982, Champion Of Confusion Sports Illustrated November 08, 1982

youtube.com/watch?v=NKcIMjktBrU

Posted September 24, 2013 12:11 pm 


Tomato Can

Delahoya ducked Winky, and Forrest. Winky never faught Forrest either. Leonard and Hearns ducked Maugbi, McCallum, and Nunn. Hagler, quit after the Leonard loss instead of fighting McCalluum, Nunn and Jackson. Big deal, no fighter ever gets to fight everyone they want, and no fighter fights everyone out there.

Posted September 24, 2013 12:05 pm 


Swamp hound

Too Salty, Floyd hadnt even turned pro yet When Oscar was fighting at lightweight. When Floyd was fighting at lightweight, Oscar was three weight division higher at Jr. Middleweight. So what are you on?

I didnt mention Kostya or Castillo so what are you on?

I said Floyd ducked Winky, Forrest, and Pacman, all of whom smashed Mosley so what are you on?

Posted September 24, 2013 11:56 am 


PEEJ

Pryor and Leonard where never in the same division. And actually I think Leonard offered Pryor s certain amount of money to move up and fight but he turned it down.

Posted September 24, 2013 11:55 am 


Tomato Can

“Yes they both ducked Pryor”??? If Pryor ever did anything at 147, I would agree with that, cause Pryor talked the talk. However, he never did anything at 147, nuff said.

Posted September 24, 2013 11:52 am 


Swamp hound

Hearns was robbed twice against Leonard but yes both ducked Pryor.

Many feel Oscar got gifts against Quartey and Pernel Whittaker but at least they were all willing to fight each other in their primes. The Quartey / Whitaker fight fell apart when the later tested positive for cocaine

Posted September 24, 2013 11:36 am 


toosalty

Swamp hound

Do your home work 1st before stating how you feel and not FACTS . FM was signed with TRank when Kostya fight could have been possible so how is that FM fault? Prime Oscar, Prime Mosely REALLY are you serious. FM was calling a Prime Oscar out while he was at the 130-135 HE WAS STILL UNDER Bob TR again would not have it. FM CALLED A PRIME SHANE OUT AFTER HE BEAT OR REALLY LOST TO OSCAR THE 2ND FIGHT, BUT SHANE HAD A TOOACHE REMEMBER. LET IT GO with Castillo, FM beat him twice, at least he gave him a rematch. FM even called out winky, but yall dont remeber that because most of yall talk with your hearts and not facts. FM wanted cotto, but again BOB Arum would not have that fight, and stated Cotto was not ready. YALL ARE MEDIA THINKERS, HOW EVER THEY TELL YOU TO THINK IS HOW YOU THINK AND BELEIVE.

Posted September 24, 2013 11:29 am 


De Lima I.

Theodore — When the price is right, there is no opponent that FMJ wouldn’t seriously consider facing. He would’ve fought a SRL, TH, MH, etc.

Posted September 24, 2013 11:25 am 


Tark = Ramsey

Mayweather may go down as the GOAT.

Posted September 24, 2013 11:22 am 


Swamp hound

Oops

The Fab Four fought each other, which counts for a lot because no one knew exactly who was going to win. Hagler even called out Monzon.

What fabulous fighters did Floyd fight in their prime? Mosley was dominated by Forrest and Winky–two guys that Floyd ducked.

Oscar and Cotto were stomped by Pacman, whom Floyd ducked.

Floyd also ducked Paul Williams but he has a chance to fight Golden Boy fighter Erislandy Lara who beat Williams. Floyd will duck him too.

Posted September 24, 2013 11:21 am 


Swamp hound

The Fab Four fought each other, which counts for a lot. because no one knew exactly who was going to win. Hagler even called out Monzon.

What fabulous fighter did Floyd fight in their prime? Mosley was dominated by Forrest and Winky–two guys that Floyd ducked.

Oscar and Cotto were stomped by Pacman, both of whom Floyd ducked.

Floyd also ducked Paul Williams but he has a chance to fight Golden Boy fighter Erislandy Lara who beat Williams but Floyd will duck him too.

Posted September 24, 2013 11:18 am 


De Lima I.

Theodore — Yes of course, Norris had great hand speed, power, movement and he was smart. But FMJ is much better than TN.

Posted September 24, 2013 11:10 am 


Hidalgo

“After Leonard beat Hagler for the middleweight title he never defended it… ”

Tark, Mayweather never defended his jr. welterweight title that he took from Gatti. Actually, he fought at that weight just once, then moved up to welterweight. After taking the WBC welterweight title from Baldomir, Floyd defended it only once–against Hatton–then he fought DLH in 2007 and won the WBC light middleweight title which he never defended or fought for again until 2013 when he fought Alvarez.

Instead Floyd went back down to welterweight and fought Hatton for the WBC welterweight title, Marquez in a non-title bout, Mosley in a non-title bout, then Ortiz for the WBC welterweight title, then Cotto for his WBA jr. middleweight title, then defended his WBC welterweight belt against Guerrero, then fought Alvarez for the WBC jr. middleweight title.

Ad-nauseum: Mayweather stepped out of the jr. middleweight division for six years after winning one belt in it, never defended his jr. welterweight title, and defended his wbc welterweight title only once.

Looks like Floyd followed in Leonard’s footsteps.

Posted September 24, 2013 11:09 am 


Tomato Can

GGG, has a much better shot at getting a fight with Ward. They both fight on the same network for starters, and both are still looking to make some noise in the sport. I would think a GGG/Ward fight is something that could happen very soon. After all, what does HBO have to offer at the PPV level other than Pacquiao fights. We got Marquez/Bradley but is that really going to be a big PPV event? Doubt it…

Posted September 24, 2013 11:00 am 


Tomato Can

Sergio Martinez’s career is sailing away quickly. With the injuries he’s been subjected to as well as his age, the chance of him fighting two more fights with HBO, and then getting a Mayweather fight, are dwendling more everyday. I don’t see it happening at all. Where’s the appeal for that fight? Is there any other than a few fans on this site?

Posted September 24, 2013 10:55 am 


Sugar Ray

With all due respect, AngusYoung you’re wrong about Hearns and Leonard. Even though Hearns had problems with physcial and bigger fighters, he didn’t duck anyone and took on dangerous punchers like Barkley and Hagler when he moved up in weight. As for Leonard, he faced highly skilled boxers such as Benetiz, Duran, Hearns, and Hagler to name a few.

Posted September 24, 2013 10:55 am 


Tomato Can

GGG, is on the rise and looking very good. However thinking that he has a chance at getting a Mayweather fight at this time is nothing more than wishful thinking. There’s too many road blocks, and the fight means nothing to anyone except some hard core fans. Maybe in the next year or two that’ll change, but for now, that’s just the way it is…

Posted September 24, 2013 10:53 am 


Anonymous

GGG would easily make 154 and you know it. Why deny it? Floyd – GGG would be a helluva fight.

BS!!!!

Posted September 24, 2013 10:47 am 


AngusYoung

`no disrespect to TH or SRL, but fact is:
TH ducked the hardest punchers of his day. Why? Because of his horrible defense! Barkley knocked him out — and Barkley was slow as hell and had a horrible defense! Then he lost AGAIN to Barkley! MH knocked him out, who really couldn’t punch THAT hard. SRL knocked him out.

SRL didn’t fight THAT many highly skilled boxers. And Norris, who is NOT HALF AS GOOD as FMJ, beat the crap out of SRL.

And let’s face it: FMJ has SUPERIOR defensive skills, a very high ring IQ and amazing speed!

He would be simply too good for TH and SRL.’

deLima I., I agree with you for the most part, but would FM really beat Tommy and Ray? I doubt it.

Posted September 24, 2013 10:22 am 


SREDMOND = Supreme Court

100%

Posted September 24, 2013 10:15 am 


Joseph Herron

Supreme Court,

Sergio Mrtinez only has a two fight obligation with HBO and told me that he wants to end his career with a fight against Floyd Mayweather.

Posted September 24, 2013 9:48 am 


De Lima I.

Theodore — The FMJ – Pac fight no longer makes sense and enough $
because Pac lost to TB and got KO’d by JMM. It’s as simple as that.

FMJ did NOT duck Pac.

Posted September 24, 2013 9:34 am 


Haimat

Floyd got the best management team in boxing. They have been matching him delicately all thru his career and they’ll continue to do so. GGG is out of the question. Pac might be a viable option in a year or so when he’s nothing but a shadow of his former self. He’ll stay away from busy south paws like Trout.
Young Garcia, Khan, an old Pacquiao and an old Martinez are probable opponents of Mayweather riding into the sunset. Cherry picker.

Posted September 24, 2013 9:10 am 


Haimat

Tark, I disagree with you regarding your assessment of fighters of the 70s and 80s and when you compare these guys to the modern fighters. Somehow the modern fighters are always better in your view regardless of who is under discussion.

You somehow find a way to label Leonard and Hagler as duckers. Because they didn’t fight who? Nunn? McCullum. Are you kidding me? Why say such BS?

Hearns lost to Barkley. Styles make fights. He’d still have a great shot to kick Floyd’s ass.

GGG would easily make 154 and you know it. Why deny it? Floyd – GGG would be a helluva fight.

Posted September 24, 2013 9:06 am 


Kid Blast

After dispatching Khan, Mayweather will move to 47-0 and in reach of the magic 50-0 mark that will give him even more gravitas for being considered an All Time Great. But he will need to pick his opponents carefully so that while on the one hand they offer viability, on the other he can maintain his edge. The inflection point here is a tricky one.

Posted September 24, 2013 9:02 am 


JOEY

ITS SIMPLE,MAYWEATHER”S THE BEST OF HIS ERA,NO WAY THE BEST OF ALL TIME.

Posted September 24, 2013 8:53 am 


Kid Blast

Murray @160 would be a snooze feat

Posted September 24, 2013 8:31 am 


Kid Blast

Great quotes Supreme Court. I am already using them.

Posted September 24, 2013 8:30 am 


Anonymous

CALZAGHE THE GREATEST EVER,WHAT PLANET ARE YOU PRICKS ON.

Posted September 24, 2013 8:21 am 


Blaze

I see Floyd as a great fighter. I even see him as an all time great, but he isn’t very high on my list of ATG’s. I can think of at least 20 fighters I’d put ahead of him on my ATG list without thinking too hard. He simply avoided too many fights or put too many good fights off so long that they weren’t nearly the same challenges. If he had come along at a time when he simply didn’t have defining challenges, I’d put him much higher. But he’s still fighting, so he may do something in the next several fights to change my mind. I’d have done the same thing to Leonard had he not fought prime Hearns, prime Duran, and an equally matched and naturally bigger Hagler, then went on to rematch Hearns once and Duran twice. Otherwise he’d be tied with Floyd on my list.

Posted September 24, 2013 7:19 am 


Beej

In the interests of clarification, PBF is top 20 /25 ish for me (without checking) and for these reasons:

For the last 5 years a maturing Mayweather has shown no sign of taking genuinely ‘live’ challenges at his higher weights (i.e. fights at an opponets physical / market peak where even his detractors aren’t sure who’ll win!) You’ll note he even started bringing fighters up in weight to fight him (JMM, Hatton, Guerrero growing into welter and ironically he was bigger than old man Mosley in the ring) So, for me, PBF’s defining moments, are at his lighter weights (likely Corrales or Castillo II ) with his place in history likely to firmly be as;

*The pre-eminent ‘pure’ boxer of his generation and ATG.*

That said, greater delving will reveal a guy (who at his heavier weight classes) put legacy aside to persue ‘Hollywood’ match-ups that earned the biggest purses for the least chance of being defeated…

Now, I can live with that, as legacy don’t pay bills. And certainly, his career, in general, will be more than enough to give him enduring widescale acclaim for the rest of his days.

p.s Pac is simply the other side of the modern day elite match – up ‘coin’…lol.

Posted September 24, 2013 6:35 am 


Tnt

Still can’t believe that people are still using the ducking argument to discredit Floyd. Again I will say if you think Floyd ducked then that is an opinion not a fact. But when you break down the facts Floyd is the best ever! Too many emotional people who cannot make a rational argument. Sure floyd has his negatives he is human but His negatives are few when compared to his peers. I want someone to line up the facts and do a comparison. I think that would dead all arguments really.

Posted September 24, 2013 4:17 am 


btrain

Fraudies balks must b de shiniest thang in de whoke universe de way vivek done suckin on it constant lik fer years … bahahahaha

Posted September 24, 2013 4:09 am 


HARSH REALITY

TARK writes:

Robinson, Ali, Leonard, Hearns, Duran, etc., all ducked the greatest competitors at various times. In the case of Joe Louis, there were no great competitors when he was in his prime.

You are forgetting about the greatest ever fighter called Joe Calzaghe, who beat the best fighters at both super middle and light heavy and finished 46-0. He beat Hopkins, Jones, Lacy and Kessler, but you are too blind or stupid to admit he is better than Floyd and all those other jerks you champion.

HARSH REALITY

Posted September 24, 2013 4:04 am 


btrain

Nut huggib freak stil goin at it !!!

Posted September 24, 2013 3:40 am 


Swamp hound

Yeah Morales used to whip him him in sparring so Floyd moved up to fight Castillo .

Posted September 24, 2013 3:16 am 


Kenny Mustapha Wilcox

Edit>I can’t say I have

Posted September 24, 2013 3:08 am 


Kenny Mustapha Wilcox

LOL Brother Ernie. I don’t think the dollar was the unit of currency back in Moses’ day. I’m pretty sure American hadn’t even been discovered back then either, well not by the white man anyway. KMW enjoyed your jape nonetheless though.

100,000 ESB ranking points for Brother Ernie.

Posted September 24, 2013 3:07 am 


Swamp hound

Floyd will avoid the best at 154 just like he avoided prime Williams, Margarito, Cotto, Mosley, Winky, etc.. at Welter

Btw, who’d he fight at light welter? Gatti

Posted September 24, 2013 2:59 am 


Pratt

Undisputed Unified Super Welter Weight Champion of the World is next.
Then fight Manny for all 4 Belts. C’Mon Man, step up Floyd.

Posted September 24, 2013 2:53 am 


hookoffthejab

to….

Posted September 24, 2013 2:51 am 


hookoffthejab

there is no $$$ in fighting Gennedy and if he wants to put the pump on money ….His best bet is to step on down top 154 ……

Posted September 24, 2013 2:50 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

“That fight won’t happen.. Floyd won’t go to 160 and Golovkin isn’t a 154-pounder.. ”

You are absolutely right that the fight won’t happen, but it’s NOT because 3G doesn’t want the fight and can’t make weight at 154lbs. In fact, he steps into the ring on Fight Nights weighing less than most of the top Jr. MWs. Fact. 3G is a skinny MW who can easily make 154lbs, and I’d bet my house and cars that he can also make a catch-weight (152lbs).

Team GGG is literally begging for a fight with FMJ at Jr. MW and the Money Team won’t even mention his name — as if he doesn’t even exist. We’ve seen this exact same dismissive behavior from Martinez, Chavez and the other MWs. This guy is the most avoided boxer in the world for a reason.

Hats off to the former Super MW Stevens for having the brass balls to step-up to the plate when no one else wants to. (Keep in mind that 3G is on a winning rampage of scoring 14 consecutive knock outs.) I respect Stevens for his heart and courage, but he’s gonna take a serious beating. Real talk.

Posted September 24, 2013 2:36 am 


TARK

And you can’t just make accusations that people are using PED’s… Pacquiao is politically and legally savvy.. He sued and won.. He didn’t have to settle but he did.. It was the best thing for Floyd, Oscar, Richard, and Golden Boy to pay a negotiated settlement..

Pacquiao is a very smart player in the legal field.. but not so much in the ring.. In the ring he will lose to Floyd.

Posted September 24, 2013 2:12 am 


TARK

That fight won’t happen.. Floyd won’t go to 160 and Golovkin isn’t a 154-pounder..

For these last 2 fights Canelo wasn’t a 154-pounder either.. He’s just getting his man strength now, and he’s getting bigger.. He entered the ring 7 pounds lighter for Floyd than for Trout.. I don’t think that’s what he had in mind.

At some point your body starts to rebel.. You have to listen.. You can’t abuse the Hell out of your body and perform.

Posted September 24, 2013 2:06 am 


Chuck

You know the writer is a Floyd nut-hugger when he writes an article about his legacy and fails to mentions names like Paul Williams and Antonio Margarito, who were champions in Floyd’s weight class when Floyd avoided them like the plague.

Posted September 24, 2013 2:00 am 


Swamp hound

Supreme Court, …but when Pacman beat better boxers than Floyd, Pauli Malignaggi said: “He’s going up in weight and destroying opponents… this little midget is starting to cheat in my opinion…I hate to say but he’ll stop Floyd Mayweather …because he wont do a blood test…..”

Pacman really should do a federal lawsuit against Pauli “pimped his girlfriend” Malignaggi like he sued his drug-orgy addicted statutory rapist promoter & boss Golden Boy

Posted September 24, 2013 1:59 am 


B Red

Golovtkin would be too slow and weak at 154. Floyd schools him

Posted September 24, 2013 1:58 am 


TARK

logic.., You’re right about Hearns ability to fight from range. He was whipping Leonard really well from the outside. He could punch well and accurately. But his defense was leaky. His chin was vulnerable. He had no business trading punches with Hagler, Barkley … or even Leonard.

Where Floyd really shines is his temperament.. Leonard had some of that quality too.. but not Hearns.. He would crack and give you the shot to hurt him or get him out.. Barkley tagged Tommy enough to beat him when they fought the 2nd time — that time by decision.

Barkley couldn’t beat many great fighters.. Toney, Kalambay, Nunn, and Benn — they all kicked his ass.. But he has those wins over Hearns.

Posted September 24, 2013 1:57 am 


Granger

FLOYD’s LEGACY??? What would Foreman’s be, had he retired undefeated, but refused to ever fight Ali?? It would be a joke, that’s what it would be!! Floyd has no legacy because he ducked Pacman for years when Pacquiao was t his best!!

Posted September 24, 2013 1:34 am 


Granger

@Bula, I agree. I think GGG would destroy Floyd. GGG is too smart and too powerful for Floyd. He has everything that Floyd has, with the exception of elite defense. However, GGG has a great chin and very good defense, but twice the power. Floyd would get destroyed though. That is why Floyd will run from him at the end of his career, just like he has Pacqiuao throughout his the middle of his career! These are all reasons of course that he will have no lasting legacy as an ATG in boxing. He cannot possibly be classed with champions who fought whoever was placed in front of them!!

Posted September 24, 2013 1:31 am 


Bulawayo2

I think it’s safe to say Mayweather will never get into the ring with Golovkin.
If GGG got down to 154 Floyd would want to fight him at 147 and so on.
I actually think that Stevens has a better chance of beating Golovkin than Mayweather does. He does have a big punch, something Mayweather doesn’t have, he would dance around for a while but would be utterly destroyed by the sixth.
Anyone that thinks Golovkin doesn’t have great boxing skills is badly mistaken, this guy is the business.

Posted September 24, 2013 1:19 am 


Supreme Court

“I’m on vacation for about a year, about a year,” Mayweather said. “As soon as we come off vacation, we’re going to cook that little yellow chump. We ain’t worried about that. So they ain’t gotta worry about me fighting the midget. Once I kick the midget ass, I don’t want you all to jump on my d—. So you all better get on the bandwagon now. … Once I stomp the midget, I’ll make that mother f—– make me a sushi roll and cook me some rice.”

—Floyd Mayweather

Posted September 24, 2013 12:51 am 


History

They might find the warrior bling of Mayweather in 1400 years and the dvd of his utter destruction at the hands of King Pacquiao.

Posted September 23, 2013 11:54 pm 


B Red

If Floyd fought Murray @160. You would say its an easy fight.

Posted September 23, 2013 11:43 pm 


Michael Collins

This is good, it’s probably the origins of British Boxers. and they invented Boxing.
youtube.com/watch?v=6ofCNSfF3vM

Posted September 23, 2013 11:41 pm 


History

youtube.com/watch?v=6ofCNSfF3vM

Posted September 23, 2013 11:27 pm 


De Lima Izabel

Test

Posted September 23, 2013 11:22 pm 


B Red

Hahahaha

Posted September 23, 2013 11:17 pm 


De Lima Izabel

WTH?

Posted September 23, 2013 11:17 pm 


B Red

Floyd will whip Triple G . Tell Triple to make it happen

Posted September 23, 2013 11:16 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

He owes Moses ten bucks…

Posted September 23, 2013 11:15 pm 


Kenny Mustapha Wilcox

TARK, but you were around when John L. Sullivan’s great grandfather was still in diapers.

Posted September 23, 2013 11:12 pm 


Kid Blast

Barker. Macklin has no marbles left after GGG slaughtered him.

Posted September 23, 2013 10:52 pm 


logic

Kid Blast, I get that,but in that case how about Macklin for all the marbles?!!

Posted September 23, 2013 10:43 pm 


Squared-Circling Real TALKNGWANKER (a.k.a) da Lioness King of Beat offStreet)

You want it also yes ?

Posted September 23, 2013 10:32 pm 


Kid Blast

Logic, the logic for Khan is in the foreign soil thang

Posted September 23, 2013 10:29 pm 


Squared-Circling Real TALKNGWANKER (a.k.a) da Lioness King of Beat offStreet)

Though Tripple treat GGG is my NO1 MAN !!!

Posted September 23, 2013 10:28 pm 


badger

if GGG went down to 152, Floyd would want a semen sample.

Posted September 23, 2013 10:27 pm 


Squared-Circling Real TALKNGWANKER (a.k.a) da Lioness King of Beat offStreet)

Tark darling !!! I have a bonnner for chew !!!

Posted September 23, 2013 10:27 pm 


PEEJ

Joseph Herron, I’m not talking about the card being cancelled or positive test at all. To be honest I don’t think any of his fighters for the exception of Chavez has come up dirty. I’m talking about his fighters having issues with taking the test. That’s all I’m talking about. Any fighter with the issue of actually taking the random test have all been under the Top Rank banner.

Posted September 23, 2013 10:26 pm 


logic

Tark,reach doesn’t mean you can fight at range if you punch like there’s a plank strapped to your back.Compare Mosley’s punch delivery to say,Angulo’s, for a demo f how to use reach properly.

Kid Blast I like your list except Khan should be replaced by someone who has been impressive.

Posted September 23, 2013 10:21 pm 


Kid Blast

Many of Tark’s posts are spot on and I sometimes even paraphrase them in my articles. Posters and young fans can learn a ton from Tark.

Posted September 23, 2013 10:17 pm 


Kid Blast

Martinez, Bradley (if he beats JMM), and finally Pacquiao, though beating Rios impressively doesn’t necessarily translate to a competitive fight against Floyd. However, from a financial standpoint, a Mayweather vs. Pacquiao fight would raise the all-time bar, and for a guy with Mayweather’s nickname, that translates to “let’s get it on.”

Posted September 23, 2013 10:16 pm 


Kid Blast

Here they are:

1. Garcia
2. Khan
3. Martinez
4. Bradley
5. Pacquiao

Posted September 23, 2013 10:15 pm 


TARK

logic.., “Mosley who can’t fight at range like Hearns.”

Shane’s reach is just as long.. His chin is 10 times stronger.

Posted September 23, 2013 10:13 pm 


Kid Blast

“Canelo is DEFINITELY a better boxer than GGG” will be placed into the Te Tumbo wing in my Boxing Hall of Shame of ESB Posts

Posted September 23, 2013 10:13 pm 


logic

Tark, was not Leonard coming back from a layoff due to a detached retina incurred by fighting all time great welterweight Tommy Hearns? It would be like Floyd fighting Williams at 147, only worse!

So with Duran,Benitez,Hearns,and Hagler under his belt,he cherry-picked a catchweight fight with LHW champ Donny Lalonde,instead of fighting those other arguably more dangerous guys.So you have a point. Floyd beat the highly skillful and seasoned Miguel Cotto, a big smart Canelo who was not as energetic as Hagler, and a speedy powerful Mosley who can’t fight at range like Hearns.

Posted September 23, 2013 10:05 pm 


TARK

Grennady Golovkin can only destroy the guys who will fight him.. Curtis Stevens is one of those guys.. Whenever the other middleweight champions grow a pair GGG is there.. Martinez, Quillin, Barker.. Line them up.

Posted September 23, 2013 10:05 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Turb0-H@mster and TARK are on Beat Street,

SREDMOND/Public Enema/Supreme Clown has NO IDEA what’s he talking about. What else is new?

3G is better than Canelo in every single aspect of the sport. And that’s why Floyd will DUCK him at 154lbs. You idiots who are calling 3G just “another slugger” and a “hard punching boogeyman” have no idea what you’re looking at and you really don’t know much about the science. 3G would beat Canelo — probably by brutal stoppage. C’mon Floyd! Man-up and fight 3G at 154lbs!!!

Posted September 23, 2013 9:46 pm 


TARK

logic says.., “I personally believe Floyd can beat anyone near his weight but Leonard and those guys actually proved it.”

After Leonard beat Hagler for the middleweight title he never defended it… Obviously the top middleweight contenders: Michael Nunn, Mike McCallum, and Julian Jackson, were dangerous fighters

Leonard was stripped of the Middleweight Championship for avoiding those guys — and Nunn, McCallum, and Jackson won pieces of the splintered title… They were the 3 Middleweight Champions when Leonard ducked down to 154 to continue avoiding them and fight Terry Norris.

A lot of you guys weren’t even around in those days — so you think Leonard was fighting the top guys like Floyd is doing.

Posted September 23, 2013 9:45 pm 


Turb0-H@mster

SREDMOND – Golovkin isn`t a hard-punching bogeyman.

He`s a former amateur world champion, Olympic silver medallist with an amateur record of 340-5.

He outboxed Dirrell in the amateurs – made Dirrell get silly, KO’ed Bute, beat Lee and Despaigne.

Abel Sanchez says he is the best he has ever worked with (and he worked with Terry Norris).

Sturm refused to fight him for 2 years, Geale refused, Murray doesn`t want it. Chavez and Martinez won`t go near him.

He is a very good boxer who just also so happens to have big power in both hands.

He`s not been brawling his way through, he`s been boxing.

Posted September 23, 2013 9:35 pm 


TARK

Sredmond says…, “Canelo is DEFINITELY a better boxer than GGG”

Based on your faulty analysis of Matthysse’s fights with Peterson and Garcia — you picked Peterson to beat Matthysse and Matthysse to KO Garcia — why should you suddenly be a genius at evaluating whether GGG or Canelo is the better boxer???

BTW.., Your analysis of a KO win by Floyd was another wrong pick.. Most people had Floyd by decision so you’re worse than average.

Posted September 23, 2013 9:33 pm 


Kid Blast

Theodore Romanski , you are beginning to sound like a hair ball

Posted September 23, 2013 9:32 pm 


Kid Blast

OK Supreme Court. Point taken

Posted September 23, 2013 9:28 pm 


logic

I don’t think Floyd fans should say Canelo is not good, because to match all time greats like Leonard, he has to beat other greats,i.e. people no one else can beat cleanly (at the time). Like Martinez did with Williams or Pacquiao did with Clottey, or Marquez did with Pacquiao. (and I personally believe Floyd can beat anyone near his weight but Leonard and those guys actually proved it.)

And if Trout is no good, then how did he beat Cotto,taking less damage than Floyd did against Cotto. And if Cotto is no good how did he and Floyd have that beautiful display of skills that matches up very favorably to all time classic Leonard Duran 1.

Posted September 23, 2013 9:26 pm 


TARK

Te Tumbo says.., “Analysis… This matchup was going to go the full 12 rounds” TARK, it’s too bad you can’t forecast the past.”

WRONG Tumbo.. That was my analysis BEFORE the fight.. Herron said he would be amazed if the Mattysse-Garcia fight didn’t end in a KO.. I said the the fight was very likely to to 12 rounds and gave my analysis.

Plus.. My prediction for the score on the Mayweather-Canelo fight was only one round off the actual scores — and I gave it BEFORE the weigh-in.

Guys like Sredmond said Floyd was going to “Paint.. Shred.. Smoke.. and KO Canelo.” … I was keeping THEIR enthusiasm in check.

Posted September 23, 2013 9:24 pm 


Theodore Romanski

De Lima I.

Hearns ducked the hardest punchers of his day? You ever heard of Pipino Cuevas? He used to break his opponents bones with his punches for goodness sake. And Barkey hit like a hammer. Roldan was hammer-fisted too. Even iron-jawed Hagler was feeling his bombs. He might not of outwardly shown he was but you could tell he was feeling the weight of them.

Norris beat a shot Leonard for goodness sake! And Norris was a damned good fighter in his day and a major hitter.

Floyd is beating Leonard or Hearns. He wouldn’t go near them with a 50 ft pole let alone fight them.

Posted September 23, 2013 9:23 pm 


logic

Arum may not be the devil, but he sure was a jerk for not even trying to promote such a distinguished fighter like Rigondeaux,after he beat cash cow Donaire. And he said Golden Boy didn’t know what they are doing when they matched an unbeaten prospect against a tough opponent, which is what fans actually want.

Posted September 23, 2013 9:18 pm 


Theodore Romanski

De Lima I

He blatantly ducked Pacman for one. And he conveniently lost his urge and retired when 147 was loaded with talent. He’s been cherry-picking like crazy since he moved up from 135. There were/are lots of risky fights out there for him, against opponents who presented much more of a challenge to him than the bums he’s been fighting, but somehow he’s managed to swerve them all. It isn’t a coincidence, he even admits he’s been cherry-picking and scared for his health. And I don’t want to hear all that ”he called this fighter out, he called that fighter out” or it was because of the nefarious big bad evil Jewish overlord Bob Arum’s fault either. SAve that crap for the kids.

Posted September 23, 2013 9:15 pm 


hookoffthejab

Duran fought Leonard three times, beating him once, but Floyd never would’ve fought him once let alone put himself in a position to see whether or not he would quit in a fight against a truly great fighter. Floyd quit at stage one: The thought of fighting great fighters in their prime. He nipped that notion in the bud long before he would’ve got a chance to follow through with it. He would’ve lost his urge indefinitely if fighters like Duran, Hagler, Hearns, and Benitez were around in his day. In fact, he never would’ve even turned pro or moved up in weight if it meant he had to climb in a ring with fighters of that caliber……True this ………

Posted September 23, 2013 9:07 pm 


hookoffthejab

Thurman is the only one that could cause Junior any problems @ 146 ………………..

Posted September 23, 2013 9:05 pm 


Theodore Romanski

SREDMOND, no it’s not relevant because Floyd never put himself in a position to quit like Duran did. He never would’ve dared step foot into a ring with a fighter who was even half as good a prime Sugar Ray Leonard. It’s like the ugly kid who wasn’t invited to the prom mocking the school heart throb for only getting to first base with the prom queen. Duran fought Leonard three times, beating him once, but Floyd never would’ve fought him once let alone put himself in a position to see whether or not he would quit in a fight against a truly great fighter. Floyd quit at stage one: The thought of fighting great fighters in their prime. He nipped that notion in the bud long before he would’ve got a chance to follow through with it. He would’ve lost his urge indefinitely if fighters like Duran, Hagler, Hearns, and Benitez were around in his day. In fact, he never would’ve even turned pro or moved up in weight if it meant he had to climb in a ring with fighters of that caliber.

No one’s canonizing Duran, Leonard, or Hagler. Every fighters has their pluses and minuses. This is about Floyd’s standing in the history of the sport compared to theirs and how many of his followers grossly overrate it and disrespect the true greats who came before him. He’s a great talent but he does not belong to be mentioned in the same breath as many of the fighters his more extreme supporters compare him to or claim him to be superior than. For him to proclaim himself the greatest of all time is joke and a huge insult to those who came before him. He’s not even close to being the greatest.

Posted September 23, 2013 9:05 pm 


SREDMOND

Canelo is DEFINITELY a better boxer than GGG, I would favor him as well.. These hard punching boogeymen come around all the time and once subdued by a solid boxer puncher expectations are reigned in…His resume is VERY thin from where I sit..

Posted September 23, 2013 9:02 pm 


Ray Ray

Mayweather isnt finished yet….his legacy will b fine no matter what happdns from here on….Alvarez vs GGG may happen, sooner rather than later. There could b no crying over weight or no claims of some1 being avoided if Alvarez was 2 call out GGG. Sual vs Chavez is more of stretch, Chavez is heading 2 super middle very soon.

Posted September 23, 2013 9:02 pm 


te tumbo

“. . . look for bad to happen to GGG Tarks already billing Him as BETTER than Hopkins . . .” REDMOND, I noticed. hence my confident prediction about Canelo defeating Golovkin if they meet soon. not underestimating Golovkin. just not particularly impressed with his competition thus far or Golovkin’s somewhat wide-open style. i see him doing precisely what Mayweather wouldn’t: charging Canelo with impunity. that is NOT the recommended fight-plan for defeating Canelo but i would love to see someone attempt it just the same.

Posted September 23, 2013 8:50 pm 


SREDMOND

The only boxers who fight 4 or 5 times per year in modern boxing are up and comers… And if Mayweather fought 5x per year he would still be undefeated because the sports landscape would not support that many high quality opponents per contest he would fight two good fighters and 2 easily dismissed scrubs.. His recent foes would be like the Klits… Former sparring partners, 40 year old Mormecks and recycled 41 year old Thompson…Even if PAC Man resurrects his career he would have to leave Top Rank to make the bout and who knows if that’s gonna happen…If PAC loses to Rios then whatever vestiges of this discussion die on that night… He needs to impress

Posted September 23, 2013 8:46 pm 


te tumbo

Canelo dominated Trout no less than Mayweather dominated Guerrero. there wasn’t a single fight-related category in which Canelo didn’t demonstrate his superiority. Canelo “shocked” Trout with his ability to control the bout from the opening to the closing bell with his sharper punching, defense, and footwork. in the KD round, Canelo landed At-Least an additional 12 powerpunches to a desperate Trout’s 2 or 3. at one point, i counted Trout missing 12 consecutive punches before i lost count and concluded that Trout couldn’t catch Canelo with a single meaningful punch the entire fight. Not-A-One. Canelo was no undersized and ringworn dwarf with a Name. he remains the Biggest and Baddest at 154lbs and only 160lbrs pose any real threat. i for one can’t wait for Canelo to pry Cotto from his blanket-buddy to demonstrate his breakaway punching talent on Cotto’s bald melon. a good tune-up before eliminating Lara who barely survived v. Angulo who still looked terrible that night but was still able to deck Lara twice. i’m confident that Canelo will close that show.

Posted September 23, 2013 8:45 pm 


SREDMOND

Supreme Court, is buck wild but I have to admit I never saw a promoter openly be pissed at one of his fighters for winning… He treated Rigondeaux very poorly after he shocked conventional wisdom (myself included) beating Donaire to the punch constantly…

Posted September 23, 2013 8:27 pm 


Hidalgo

Bob Arum is the devil? So that’s what Satan looks like!

Posted September 23, 2013 8:20 pm 


Hidalgo

“Canelo vs Trout could’ve easily gone either way.. Canelo didn’t dominate anyone.. ”

Yes it could have and no he didn’t Public Enemy. I grudgingly gave Canelo the win because he knocked Trout down and because it was very clear that Trout couldn’t mount any attack against Canelo either. But it was still a close fight.

As for Trout being “feather-fisted,” well, he has over a 50% KO ratio. He’s no sledgehammer that’s for sure. But he’s won more than half his fights by KO so he does have power.

Just to be whimsical, look at Floyd’s KO ratio for his last 10 fights. 20%. I’m not saying this to dis Floyd because he certainly has KO power but numbers can be misleading.

Posted September 23, 2013 8:19 pm 


SREDMOND

Te Tumbo, look for bad to happen to GGG Tarks already billing Him as BETTER than Hopkins when Nard had 27 bouts the mans a bandwagoneer if there ever was one..

Posted September 23, 2013 8:16 pm 


SREDMOND

Mayweather does NOT have to campaign at 154 anymore than Leonard campaigned at LHW….
Mayweather an defend his 147 pound belt till his hearts content he beat the BEST 154 pounder out there.How many times did Leonard defend the MW belt he won from Hagler? Trying to career path Floyd Mayweather is not gonna work… He only does MEGA bouts outside his NOW best weight class… There is no one at 154 worth doing a promotion for… FMJ will next be seen at 147, tune in…

Posted September 23, 2013 8:12 pm 


Hidalgo

Ah! There it is! LOL!

Posted September 23, 2013 8:11 pm 


Hidalgo

Oops, sorry for the semi-duplicate post. I’m not seeing my posts being published on my side, but you are seeing them te tumbo. Weird. ESB.com really does have some ghosts in its machine.

Posted September 23, 2013 8:11 pm 


Hidalgo

“HIDALGO, your post is a perfect example of the deceptive nature of stats. most of which any fool can cite or any liar can make up”

Yes it is te tumbo. Precisely why I did it. Of course, I also did it to highlight Braggadamus’s arkane reasoning.

Posted September 23, 2013 8:10 pm 


te tumbo

HIDALGO, i get it and appreciate the demonstration.

Posted September 23, 2013 8:09 pm 


te tumbo

“Analysis… This matchup was going to go the full 12 rounds” TARK, it’s too bad you can’t forecast the past. otherwise, your original forecast of the future was clear skies for Canelo and Mathysse with a slight chance of rain. on the plus side, your optimism regarding Canelo’s chances of defeating Mayweather kept my enthusiasm for Canelo in check. your praise sounded too disturbingly similar to your previous gushing over the likes of Williams, Chambers, and Pacquiao* right before they were alternately and decisively Flattened, Exposed, and Demolished by opponents you underestimated. you’re very good at analyzing what you imagine will take place in a boxing ring. you’re not so good when it comes anticipating the actual results of a Fight.

Posted September 23, 2013 8:08 pm 


Hidalgo

“HIDALGO, your post is a perfect example of the deceptive nature of stats. most of which any fool can cite or any liar can make up”

That was my point te tumbo. Braggadamus twisted stats to suit his favor. I did the same thing.

Posted September 23, 2013 8:01 pm 


Hidalgo

“HaHaHa “Hidalgo the Great inventor…Mayweather detractors like Hidalgo and other such BUMS ”

LMfriggin’AO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There’s nothing more that I like than yanking SRedmond’s chain and watching him go into a frothing foaming fit over his nutlove Mayweather.

You spend more time hanging onhis nutsack than his pubic hairs do. Problem is, his nutsack hairs have a legitimate reason for being there. You don’t.

You should take up a new hobby. Transvestite surfing, maybe?

Posted September 23, 2013 7:58 pm 


te tumbo

HIDALGO, your post is a perfect example of the deceptive nature of stats. most of which any fool can cite or any liar can make up. letters not numbers is my game. accordingly, stats don’t make fights, styles do, and Canelo had the style to utterly Dominate Trout; who had the style to utterly Dominate Cotto; who didn’t have the style to defeat Mayweather; who did have the style to outclass Canelo . . . Peace!

Posted September 23, 2013 7:55 pm 


Hidalgo

“Trout was hit with 150 power shots vs Cotto while Floyd was only hit with 75. Yet when Canelo faced Trout who is HALF the Defensive Fighter that Floyd IS, he BARELY beat him and couldn’t land many meaningful punches. That told ME that he wouldn’t land anything meaningful on Floyd…”

That’s some funky reasoning. I can top that:

In the Trout/Cotto fight, Trout landed 45% of his power punches and 31% of his total punches against Cotto. Floyd could only land 34% of his power punches and 26% of his total punches against Cotto. This means Mayweather’s performance against Cotto was LESSER than Trout’s was. This also means that Cotto defended himself BETTER against Mayweather than he did when he fought Trout.

In the Alvarez/Trout fight, Alvarez landed 45% of his power punches and 29% of his total punches against Trout. That’s a BETTER connect ratio than Mayweather had against Cotto, the guy who Trout beat BETTER than Mayweather did.

In his fight with Mayweather, Cotto landed 23% of his power punches and 21% of his total punches. Alvarez landed 31% of his power punches and 22% of his total punches against Mayweather.

All that told ME that Canelo had a better chance of landing meaningful punches against Mayweather than anyone ever had before, and the stats have proven this to be true.

Posted September 23, 2013 7:45 pm 


urone2

Joseph Herron said,
Toosalty,

You state this without questioning Floyd’s motives. Why?

That’s my point…Is Bob really the devil? Isn’t he the promoter who cultivated the careers of the three biggest stars the sport has seen over the last fifteen years?

DLH, Mayweather, and Pacquiao?

Why does Floyd have such animosity for the man? Is it really worth depriving the fight fans of match-ups with Pacquiao and Tim Bradley?

Joseph Herron, wasn’t it Bod Arum who deprived Floyd of the same thing a 140, when whispering in Cotto’s ear to say your not ready for Floyd. Floyd had to jump to Welter weight after a short stay at Junior welter weight. In jumping to welter weight to secure a fight with ODLH to become a bigger draw. That’s when Bob Arum makes Margarito the most feared man in boxing because Bob now wants a payday with Mayweather. I say lets get it all out not just bit and pieces everyone pipe in with all of your knowledge. ODLH got away from Bob Arum because he was being called “Chicken De La Hoya” because Bob Arum was trying to protect his interest. You can find on You Tube where Bob Arum profress that he told Oscar not to take the fight with Trinandad. That promoter Bob Arum didn’t care about Oscars name, Arums only concern was mantaining Oscar as boxing biggest draw.

Posted September 23, 2013 7:44 pm 


TARK

@Herron.., Stats have some meaning… But you’re right in the sense that — in the absence of strong knowledge of the opposition, stats have less meaning.

For example—I stressed that Matthysse’s quick KO of Peterson was a fairly meaningless statistic — when evaluating Danny Garcia’s chances of getting caught with similar devastating punches by Matthysse.

Garcia wasn’t Peterson, Dallas, Ajose, or the other boxers Matthysse KO’d.

Garcia is also fairly young and had only 26 fights. Because of this Pundits and experts saw him as green. Yet Danny is undefeated, a good defender, has a tough chin, a terrific KO punch, and stopped high level boxers. His lack of a masterful jab didn’t hurt him versus Matthysse—who also doesn’t jab particularly well.

Analysis… This matchup was going to go the full 12 rounds.

Posted September 23, 2013 7:35 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

It’ still way too early to evaluate FMJ’s legacy at this point. For me, much will depend on whether or not he agrees to fight the very best in world for his last 5 fights. Or whether he takes easy pay-day cakewalk fights like Khan and Alexander.

IMO, a lot of it also depends on if he defends his 3 major 154lbs titles against the very best (3G, Lara, etc) or vacates to go fight smaller men — where he’ll have the physical advantages (height, reach, size, etc).

Posted September 23, 2013 7:25 pm 


Goosey Warriors

Do thine eyes deceive me?

Did SREDMOND really just say this?

”Hidalgo is literally pathetic when it comes to Mayweather”

If the world’s most brilliant minds could join forces and combine their collective brain power to somehow design and construct a machine big and powerful enough to harness the gargantuan irony of these words and convert into energy it would provide enough electricity to heat the world forever.

Posted September 23, 2013 7:18 pm 


badger

hell Floyd even waited for Gatti after he had 3 wars with ward. Floyd was wary/afraid of the limited Gatti (RIP).

Posted September 23, 2013 7:17 pm 


PRdancer

I agree with Vivek that PFM doesn’t have to fight bigger fighters to prove his Greatness,, but I disagree with the height statistics,,,in boxing height and weight don’t hand with hand,,,,Tyson is 5’10, Could he have fought at 147lbs? Diego Corrales(RIP) was 5’11 and fought at 130lbs,, SRR was 5’11 and when he moved up to 160lbs and he weighed 150-152 for a long time,,,there was no 154lbs division,,,Braxter was champ at 175lbs and 190lbs and he was 5’7,,,it’s more about frame and natural weight,,,not height,,,Duran fought at 135 lbs but he was shrinking himself,,Duran was a more of a natural fighter at 147lbs during his prime,,reason why it was easier for him to move to 154lbs and 160lbs,,PFM is a Great boxer and has nothing to prove,,,He’s NOT the best ever,,,not in a long shot,,,the opposition he has fought during his era can’t compare to previous generations,,but PFM has shown several levels above everyong he has faced,,that is Greatness,,,,Peace

Posted September 23, 2013 7:14 pm 


badger

Floyd versus the winner of the Ruslan/Alvarado fight would be interesting. Floyd would be bigger, but he would wait a year. He did duck Manny, non fans are of this.

Posted September 23, 2013 7:13 pm 


badger

good for Floyd $$. I would never put him in the same category as Leonard (ray or benny), Greb, pep, duran or Ray robinson . Maybe a notch below the klitscko who fought everyone and Wlad won the Gold.

Posted September 23, 2013 7:11 pm 


te tumbo

according to any objective measure, Floyd already is the smaller fighter at 147lbs and the decidedly-smaller fighter at 154lbs. his optimal fighting weight based on the fact that he doesn’t exceed a fight-night weight of 152lbs for even jr-middle bouts is 140lbs but he would simply be too dominant at that weight. therefore, he’s conceded a standing handicap of 147lbs to any and all takers including any prominent or dominant champion that might emerge at 154lbs. however, i don’t doubt that if the payday were adequate, Mayweather would risk a foray as high as 160lbs to collect it. Btw, Duran ceased to be dominant the moment he ventured above 135lbs. gritty, tough, and even dangerous? Yes. dominant? not even close. for whatever reason or factor that Floyd has avoided, Duran was little more than an over-achiever above lightweight.

Posted September 23, 2013 7:07 pm 


Dr. Phil Thieze-Knutz

Only Leonard had a record of ducking that resembles anything Lil Floyd has done. But Leonard is still a distant second. Pryor was the only guy Leonard totally ducked. Leonard eventually fought the much bigger, tougher, Hagler. Lil Floyd has put every obstacle in front of the stubby Pacman to make sure he does NOT fight the same version that has been smashing welter weights like empty trash cans. Lil Floyd happily accepts that the aging but Great: Juan Manuel Marquez is the man to stop the little menace in his tracks. Lil Floyd will point out how he beat a guy who beat another guy. Even though these two don’t have remotely similar styles or physical gifts. Lil Floyd will also gladly ignore that Pac demolished their 4 other common opponents. Winning is all that matters even if you have to not fight to win.

Posted September 23, 2013 7:02 pm 


Beej

Whocares – Mayweather is no more than 5 7 / 7.5. NO more…Stop buying the Hollywood heights to strengthen a point.

Posted September 23, 2013 7:00 pm 


SREDMOND

There were GREAT fighters BEFORE and after Duran and they do not have to model his career to be successful…. Floyd’s lineal Champ in MORE divisions than Duran and the later days when he was overstaying his welcome who really cares?

Posted September 23, 2013 6:53 pm 


SREDMOND

Mayweather detractors like Hidalgo and other such BUMS will always create another hurdle to Floyd’s recognition… We heard Margarito!!! The Shane slaughters him, Floyd slaughters Shane.. Now the new Mayweather antidote is Gennady Golovkin!!! A middleweight with a PADDED resume and no special attributes absence size and strength… At 36 Floyd will be deemed YOUNGER than his YOUNGER opponents in the minds of these DOGS he has been in cryostasis immune to the aging process while the younger Pacquiao being a mere mortal aged 7 years for every 1 that Floyd does according to these NUTS….Our current HW Champ was smashed 3x by scrubs who even at HW might not have beat Floyd or would have had heart attacks trying to catch him..there is NO END to their excuses but his fans will rejoice in his perfection and piss on the Graves of his most ardent detractors (Bears Hidalgo etc)

Posted September 23, 2013 6:37 pm 


Beej

Again, objective negative statements get ignored.

Floyd is the best boxer of his era.

Now, we’ve got that out of the way, you can look from a subjective angle if you want. But, facts are, Floyd shows a clear higher -weight pattern of very much weighting the odds on his side when choosing any opponent. It doesn’t matter that he wins – he’s that good he’s supposed to anyway – esp. if he stays fit!

Vivek is the one that made the point of Floyd being a small WW fighting bigger guys – so it’s entirely logical to expose the fact that Floyd has been interested numerous times in fighting smaller guys himself!

Just the same way Pac has been hyped to be the far smaller guy in the ring but out of seven occasions i can recall he has been IN THE RING the BIGGER guy on FOUR occasions (v JMM, Barrera, Morales and DLH) while Diaz, Cotto and Clottey were only 1lb heavier!!

Objectvity is the key word here, not fan boy arguments!

Posted September 23, 2013 6:28 pm 


big moe

Floyd haters are pathetic. Nobody is demanding that triple g or martinez fight andre ward or any of the other SMWS. They get free passes. Even canelo doesnt have to fight in his own division

Posted September 23, 2013 6:26 pm 


srminimo

Vvek- Actually, Mayweather HAS moved up in weight quite a bit. He started at 130 and Cotto and DLH at 154, so that’s 22 pounds he’s moved up, not too far from Robinson going to Light HW from WW. Regarding Robinson comparisons, as you say, Sugar fought 200 times, I doubt Floyd (or anyone) would have stayed undefeated over a career like that so records are not the measuring stick here. Sugar Ray was not only as lightning fast as Mayweather of hand and foot, he was also perhaps the hardest puncher ever at WW, while Floyd will not get you out of there with one punch, but he certainly hits hard enough to keep a BIG 154 pounder like Canelo honest. Mayweather might very well be the greatest defensive fighter in the history of boxing, but Robinson was also a wonderful mover and is on a lot of people’s list for top 10 and top 20 defensive fighters of all time. Conclusion, I’m not sure who would have won, but Floyd certainly belongs in that conversation of all time greats.

Posted September 23, 2013 6:25 pm 


De Lima I.

SREDMOND — Again: VK didn’t lose to Byrd — VK was up 89-82 and 2 x 88-83 on the scorecards.
He had to quit due to a shoulder injury (torn rotator cuff). It was wise to quit the fight, because a torn rotator cuff muscle is very painful and can severely limit movement in the shoulder joint.

Posted September 23, 2013 6:25 pm 


Joseph Herron

Really, Peej…i don’t remember a Top Rank card being cancelled because someone of testing positive in recent memory.

but that happened to Golden Boy twice last year

Posted September 23, 2013 6:16 pm 


Hidalgo

“Mayweather should holds many positive distinctions that many other Greats don’t ”

He also holds a number of negative distinctions that many other Greats don’t:

Mayweather has a history of using the pain killer xylocaine to help him fight and win fights.

Mayweather cheated on his weight in a catchweight fight against an opponent that was already much smaller than him to begin with.

Mayweather has the distinction of having to pay a $600,000 penalty for cheating on his weight.

Mayweather sucker-punched his way to a KO win in at least one championship fight.

Mayweather has fought 1/3 as many fights as Sugar Robinson, 1/4 as many fights as Roberto Duran, 21 less than Hearns, 16 less than Ali, 22 less than Hagler.

Mayweather has fought 500 less rounds than Duran and over 1,000 less rounds than Robinson.

Mayweather has never had a 15-round fight.

Mayweather has a lower KO percentage than Hearns, Leonard, Ali, Duran, and Hagler.

There’s more…

Posted September 23, 2013 6:16 pm 


SREDMOND

The BIGGEST thing Mayweather detractors hold against him is NEVER LOSING it immediately leads them to attack his competition… Floyd can comeup from
Lower divisions and prevail but his foes cannot? If Mayweather fights BIGGER guys there is an issue, if younger they are too inexperienced… Well Cotto and Shane fought everyone under the sun and how many of those 24 rounds did they take off Mayweather? Wlad Klits, Donaire, Vitali, Marquez, Martinez and Pacquiao ALL booked losses to NON ATG or HOF fighters and yes Vitali lost to Byrd…. What makes FMJ so different? The man does NOT have off nights…. He is programmed NOT to lose…

Posted September 23, 2013 6:15 pm 


PEEJ

The so called fighters Floyd supposedly sucked where with show time and Floyd was with HBO. Those fights where not gonna get made. Look how hard it was for them to make Tyson vs Lewis. They where not gonna do that over and over again.

Posted September 23, 2013 6:13 pm 


PEEJ

Joseph Herron, that is very much true. Yes Nonito does perform year around testing. I wasn’t disputing that. But the fact is at least what has been made public is that with any fighters who are having issues with taking random testing and the random testing actually holding fights up or not coming to fruit action at all are Top Rank fighters.

Posted September 23, 2013 6:09 pm 


Joseph Herron

Boxtra,

That is the biggest load of caca I’ve ever heard…LOL!!

Most people made that assessment without the use of stats, brother…simply by looking at styles.

Stats don’t mean a thing when analyzing a specific match-up. Styles make fights…always have, always will.

A certain fighter’s stats in totally different match-up don’t amount to anything when analyzing a completely different style match-up.

Especially when you consider how Austin is not an effective aggressor and was forced to take the lead in most of his fight with canelo.

Stats don’t tell you anything meaningful, Boxtra.

Posted September 23, 2013 6:08 pm 


Beej

In the interests of clarification, PBF is top 20 /25 ish for me (without checking) and for these reasons:

For the last 5 years a maturing Mayweather has shown no sign of taking genuinely ‘live’ challenges at his higher weights (i.e. fights at an opponets physical / market peak where even his detractors aren’t sure who’ll win!) You’ll note he even started bringing fighters up in weight to fight him (JMM, Hatton, Guerrero growing into welter and ironically he was bigger than old man Mosley in the ring) So, for me, PBF’s defining moments, are at his lighter weights (likely Corrales or Castillo II ) with his place in history likely to firmly be as;

*The pre-eminent ‘pure’ boxer of his generation and ATG.*

That said, greater delving will reveal a guy (who at his heavier weight classes) put legacy aside to persue ‘Hollywood’ match-ups that earned the biggest purses for the least chance of being defeated…

Now, I can live with that, as legacy don’t pay bills. And certainly, his career, in general, will be more than enough to give him enduring widescale acclaim for the rest of his days.

p.s Pac is simply the other side of the modern day elite match – up ‘coin’…lol.

Posted September 23, 2013 5:57 pm 


Tnt

Yes but look at my argument. No one in the history of boxing ticks all of the boxes that Floyd ticks. If they don’t then Floyd must be the goat.

Posted September 23, 2013 5:55 pm 


De Lima I.

(he doesn’t)

Posted September 23, 2013 5:48 pm 


Beej

NO TNT, you simply have not read what I’ve written below (only 4 posts grouped together) as your response wouldn’t be that subjective.

Tell you what. Just pick out the positives I clearly ‘also’ posted about Floyd and run with those ‘only’… ; )

Posted September 23, 2013 5:48 pm 


Tnt

Yes but your argument is slightly short sighted. You have isolated one point of many. When you look at floyd’s achievements as a whole no one ticks all of his boxes, No one even comes close. You are watching a once in a lifetime spectacle. Unfortunately I feel people like you won’t realise until he’s gone and boxing is relegated below wrestling in popularity. In fact he has created new boxes that need to be ticked. He is the ruler by which all aspiring boxers should be measured.

Posted September 23, 2013 5:44 pm 


Beej

TNT – your ability to negotiate business is another criteria altogether. As you can see, I don’t lump that as ‘part’ of the criteria of his ‘boxing’ career. Otherwise, you’d be looking at DLH and Tyson as competition (inflation also considered, lol)

Posted September 23, 2013 5:39 pm 


Tnt

Beej,

your point just illustrates why he is the GOAT. He has revolutionist how a boxer approaches boxing. Boxers have more power. He embodies someone who has maximised his self worth and skills from the sport instead of a manager or promoter taking all his earnings. Your point more than any other illustrates why he has transcended the sport. GOATS do that.

Posted September 23, 2013 5:33 pm 


Boxtradamus

“What stats from any of Canelo’s previous fights told us anything of relevence concerning a match-up with Floyd?”-Well I’m GLAD that you asked. I pointed out before the Fight that Canelo’s BEST opponent Trout was at least TWO times WORSE on Defense than Floyd. And the results of “The One” agreed with ME on that….Trout was hit with 150 power shots vs Cotto while Floyd was only hit with 75. Yet when Canelo faced Trout who is HALF the Defensive Fighter that Floyd IS, he BARELY beat him and couldn’t land many meaningful punches. That told ME that he wouldn’t land anything meaningful on Floyd….SO IF you don’t know how to dissect the stats like I DO then of COURSE the stats mean nothing….Just as reading Chinese means nothing IF you don’t know how to interpret it.

Posted September 23, 2013 5:32 pm 


toosalty

Joseph Herron

ok cool i will check it out

Posted September 23, 2013 5:30 pm 


Tnt

Lets put this to bed now! Ducking is not a fact it is an opinion. When we make judgements it should be based on facts first. On facts alone first Floyd is way ahead of any boxer ….Ever!If the only argumnet for the older fighters is that they had tougher competition (subjective) then really the argument against Floyd is just a non starter.

Posted September 23, 2013 5:28 pm 


Beej

And as i’m on a roll, here’s the Mayweather blueprint :

Select an opponent you – and all in the know – KNOW you can beat (but make sure he brings some useful intangibles – esp. marketability , £££ and a record – at a lesser level) train to your ABSOLUTE potential, tell people what you will do to the fighter, execute exactly that, come fight night…

#jobdone

p.s. If he’s at a higher level make sure he’s old… ; )

Posted September 23, 2013 5:27 pm 


TARK

The thing that separates Floyd from the other ATG’s of history is that Floyd has never ducked a serious threat at any weight… The Pacquiao fight didn’t get done because Pacquiao didn’t agree to terms he agreed to years later. That fight will happen if Pac beats Rios because Pac has now agreed to all reasonable terms.

Robinson, Ali, Leonard, Hearns, Duran, etc., all ducked the greatest competitors at various times. In the case of Joe Louis, there were no great competitors when he was in his prime.

Posted September 23, 2013 5:25 pm 


1-2 combo

Boxtradamus I hear u LOUD and clear. To add to that lets deal with some facts. Mayweather will never be able to fiight hagler, hearns or SRL but he is by far thE most skilled boxer to ever lace them up and i dont care if u want to compare him to Ali, SRL or anybody else. All boxers get punched and hurt but not Floyd. What we are witnessing is someone who has changed the way we view boxing because until now we would not think it was really possible to go a whole fight let alone a whole career rarely getting hit or ever being in trouble. Excuses are always made for mayweathers opponents , too old, too green, too light etc. No one ever says mayweather is an older smaller man who is going UP in weight to beat the so called best guys out there and CONVINCINGLY. Numbers dont lie, read the compubox stats. He is so good, people want him to fight guys like ggg who is a much much heavier man as there is NO ONE LEFT out there yet people say he has ducked fighters. Who has he ducked. Please dont say the little fella that is still sleeping in the ring from a marques right. The one who did not want to take a simple blood test cause he was scared of needles but now all of a sudden he doesnt mind taking one. I give Khan a better chance than pac because he has a more effective jab. End of the day in th words of Money, u cant stop Gods work.

Posted September 23, 2013 5:24 pm 


Beej

N.B. The same adherance to belief systems that led people to state Canelo would beat (or even be competitive with) Floyd are exactly the same that think Floyd would beat some of the names the writer mentions (individuals who not only performed on altogether a higher level but brought a talent and technical excellence absolutely key to defeating a PBF).

Again, best of his era for sure!

p.s Hagler 5 ‘9/ 9.5 Sugar ray 5 ‘8.5 /9 – spin -free heights pls…

Posted September 23, 2013 5:23 pm 


Joseph Herron

Toosalty,

I have a lot of respect for Floyd Mayweather, Jr.

hes a much better guy than most realize…the entire “Money” concept is a roos.

If you want to get a bigger glimpse of the man that Mayweather has evolved into, then listen to my Tuesday night show on ESB.

A very good friend of mine was invited to spend the weekend with TMT, and is going to tell us his story on “The Pugilist KOrner” tomorrow night at 9PM EST.

I was refering to the rubbish about HBO and Top Rank not wanting Floyd to get the kind of credit you feel he deserves…that’s garbage.

Posted September 23, 2013 5:21 pm 


De Lima I.

I know Joseph — it’s all about the MONEY! Unfortunately, Mr. Romanski don’t know that!

Posted September 23, 2013 5:19 pm 


Beej

Replace an up in weight JMM and Hatton, Old Mosley, Young Ortiz, brick –beaten, Pac –softened Cotto, the smaller Guerrero and a young oversold Canelo with; Williams / Margo/ Mosley/ Cotto/ Pac at their physical AND market peak and i’d give his legacy a LOT more credence (and even most of those didn’t compare to the fighters we keep mentioing! )

But as he hasn’t I give PBF’s * biz shrewdness* FULL props…lol.

Posted September 23, 2013 5:19 pm 


Beej

There are certain fighters when you look at skillset, the era they fought and the competition that you confidently know would beat Mayweather. These guys were (due to the times back then) by default, forced to be legacy fighters more often than not.

Fighters like Roy jones (pre -Ruiz) to a lesser degree Mayweather and Pac (to an even lesser degree – drug controversies aside!) have kept the keenest eye on the ‘prize’ aspect of their fighting careers. Up in weights JMM and Hatton, Old Mosley, Young Ortiz, the smaller Guerrero and young oversold Canelo do not match any of the more obvious past great names that could be brought up here.

The subjective pro -PBF of us may see Mayweather as fortunate in his timing. The more objective may see he certainly compromised a degree of his career for cash reward – over match -ups that, at key points, would either be regarded as dangerous or certainly capable of putting serious miles on his career.

Great fighter (best of his era, for sure), great businessman, phenomenal longevity but only ‘good’ fighting legacy, IMO.

Posted September 23, 2013 5:18 pm 


De Lima I.

Theodore Romanski — no disrespect to TH or SRL, but fact is:

TH ducked the hardest punchers of his day. Why? Because of his horrible defense! Barkley knocked him out — and Barkley was slow as hell and had a horrible defense! Then he lost AGAIN to Barkley! MH knocked him out, who really couldn’t punch THAT hard. SRL knocked him out.

SRL didn’t fight THAT many highly skilled boxers. And Norris, who is NOT HALF AS GOOD as FMJ, beat the crap out of SRL.

And let’s face it: FMJ has SUPERIOR defensive skills, a very high ring IQ and amazing speed!

He would be simply too good for TH and SRL.

Posted September 23, 2013 5:13 pm 


SREDMOND

Hidalgo is literally pathetic when it comes to Mayweather… How did this catchweight help? Because you said it did? If Catchweights guarantee victories then why did Pavlik and Oscar lose to an OLD Hopkins who dropped weight for both fights? “Catchweights” are another excuse boxers are using… You sign that contract you either Win or lose… Floyd was 15 pounds lighter than his opponent and he WON BECAUSE he’s a better fighter… I’m 15x sharper than ESB excuse maker Hidalgo, hence I prevail…

Posted September 23, 2013 5:12 pm 


Joseph Herron

Boxtradomas,

Stats are relative to the era in which you fight and really don’t say very much at the end of the day.

Stats can’t really tell anything important about a fighter or match-up.

You can always tell when someone really doesn’t know very much about boxing when they regurgitate stats and figures that don’t really provide any insight into a specific match-up.

For example: What stats from any of Canelo’s previous fights told us anything of relevence concerning a match-up with Floyd?

None.

So what makes you think that any of these statistics from Floyd’s career really tells us anything about a mythical match-up with fighters like Duran, hearns, or Pryor?

Posted September 23, 2013 5:10 pm 


Hidalgo

“I know a lot of you guys don’t like Mayweather because of his personality and really looking forward to him losing but come on how can you discredit what this mans done in the sport we all love so much,he wont be a loveable guy or as classy as a lot of our distant throwback fighters but the mans the best like it or not and his record and accomplishments will indeed reflect so come on fellas let’s just sit back and see what else this picaso has up his sleeve before he retires and we won’t get to see a true mastermind in the squared circle again for a very long time,it’s time to at least give him his just due…yezzzir!”

Malachi, you do realize you just wrote a 122 word sentence, right?

Posted September 23, 2013 5:07 pm 


Boxtradamus

“With the help of a catchweight.”-Well he REAPED what he SOWED. He WON his belt with the help of a catchweight SO Floyd SPANKED his BUTT with the help of a catchweight. That’s called KARMA.

Posted September 23, 2013 5:06 pm 


Joseph Herron

De Lima I,

ducking is such a loaded and fan driven concept.

There is no truth to any of that rubbish.

Boxing is a business…if the money is right, any fighter would step in the ring with anyone.

Posted September 23, 2013 5:06 pm 


Boxtradamus

I see that you still can’t keep UP with MY FACTFUL tongue Hissydalgo.

Posted September 23, 2013 5:05 pm 


De Lima I.

Theodore — “He blatantly ducked much lesser fighters”

Please name them!

Posted September 23, 2013 5:04 pm 


Hidalgo

“Canelo was supposed to be the Big Threat and he was easily handled… ”

With the help of a catchweight.

Posted September 23, 2013 5:04 pm 


Boxtradamus

NO disrespect to SRR and Ali but their stats were PISS POOR compared to Floyd’s. Just as Pacquiao’s are right NOW. Floyd is the LIVING and BREATHING GOAT.

Posted September 23, 2013 5:03 pm 


Hidalgo

I see you’re still tripping over your lying tongue, Braggadamus.

Posted September 23, 2013 5:03 pm 


Hidalgo

“Mayweather does NOT have to move up a single pound… ”

YEAH! Because, because, uh, SRedmond said so! YEAH! LMAO!

Posted September 23, 2013 5:01 pm 


Boxtradamus

“Compubox has not been around for the entire history of boxing.”-Well its a GOOD thing that it didn’t HAVE to be. They went back and tabulated the Compubox stats from every Fight caught on tape or film and Floyd topped the GREATS from the past TOO. They wrote an article about it on ESPN…..SO learn how to keep UP with the Sport and the ATG accomplishments like I DO.

Posted September 23, 2013 5:01 pm 


Hidalgo

“Mayweathers legacy stands above 97% of those who have EVER put in gloves professionally…”

There is no legacy. Yet. A legacy is something that is left behind. Floyd is still a very active boxer and he’s very much alive. His legacy will be something our grandchildren talk about.

Posted September 23, 2013 5:00 pm 


Joseph Herron

Whowhom,

Please explain…I didn’t understand the question.

Thanks, brother!!

Posted September 23, 2013 5:00 pm 


SREDMOND

No fighter “fights everyone” one of the few guys who had the ability to get an unusual number of HOFERS, ATG’s into the ring was Oscar De La Hoya and that was in part because he came into the sport with GREAY FANFARE and began providing BIG paychecks early… Floyd was near 30 when he became a MEGA-Star… Until that point he dealt with slot nod the same politics as a lot of boxers..Cotto left Top Rank, they made the fight with EASE, Canelo made with EASE.. These promotional bodies are badly segregated at this point

Posted September 23, 2013 4:59 pm 


Joseph Herron

Toosalty,

You’re nuts, brother!!

Do you and Floyd’s fans really believe all of the soap opera crap that you guys continuously shovel on this forum?

Posted September 23, 2013 4:59 pm 


Whowhom

Herron maestro.

What figures Khan Wembley?

Posted September 23, 2013 4:56 pm 


toosalty

Joseph Herron
HBO, TR doing that so that they can not give FM the credit that he deserves for bringing steroids and boxing to the front exposing boxing dirty secrets.

Posted September 23, 2013 4:54 pm 


Hidalgo

“WHO can match having the BEST Compubox stats in the ENTIRE History of Boxing????”

Braggadamus, Compubox has not been around for the entire history of boxing.

Posted September 23, 2013 4:51 pm 


Boxtradamus

Floyd has already topped every Fighter who ever laced them UP. That makes him the Living GOAT. WHO can match beating 10 CHAMPS in 12 straight Fights????? WHO can match beating 5 Top 10 P4P opponents in 7 straight Fights????? WHO can match having the BEST Compubox stats in the ENTIRE History of Boxing???? WHO can match being the BEST in TWO Weight Divisions at 36 yrs old or should I SAY 36 yrs YOUNG????? WHO else can make Canelo Alvarez hit more air than a WINDMILL????? WHO else has beaten a man on a 38 Fight WINNING streak and ALSO defeated a man on a 43 Fight WINNING streak????? WHO else has been in the Top 2 Money making Fights in the ENTIRE History of Boxing?????…….Floyd has topped every man who ever LIVED and participated in the Sport of Boxing….That’s called being the LIVING GOAT. WOW!!!!!!!!

Posted September 23, 2013 4:45 pm 


Joseph Herron

Peej, that’s not true…the only fighter in boxing who undergoes year round random drug testing is Nonito Donaire, who currently fights under the Top Rank banner.

Posted September 23, 2013 4:41 pm 


Joseph Herron

Happy Boy,

as far as Top Rank fighters who would be great opponents for Floyd and make great PPV fights and style match-ups, Bam Bam Rios would be very exciting style match-up for Floyd because of his character outside the ring.

Also, his contsant aggression and ability to cut off the ring and fight on the inside would pit Floyd in his most exciting fight in years.

Bam Bam Rios would be a bigger selling PPV than any other fighter at 140 or 147 besides possibly Amir Khan, Tim Bradley, JMM, or Pacquiao.

Posted September 23, 2013 4:39 pm 


Somerset

Floyd has missed his chance. He out-boxed the top fighters but avoided the top boxers.

Casamayor was the best opponent boxer at lightweight, Tszyu at L-W, Cotto before Margarito broke him, then Pacquaio. Mosley, DLH were past their best.

Sergio Martinez, Williams & Margarito – top of the ‘who needs them’ club.

If he’d fought some/most of those I reckon might’ve lost one or two but could’ve beaten them all and been top 5 ATG.

As it is, I think Pacquaio is more proven. Hell, none of Mayweather’s opponents were in the same league as the Marco-Antonia Barrera than Pacquiao stopped

Posted September 23, 2013 4:38 pm 


PEEJ

Problem with Arum is that he likes to take a really big piece of the pie in my opinion. He has definitely produced some champions though. And he has also produced some damn good fight cards. My problem is he lets his emotions get in the way. Not to mention if you look at the whole random blood testing. The only fighters that ever have a problem with it are all under Top Rank. If you look at the Marqeuz vs Bradley issue. They signed a contract listing both agencies to do the testing. Yet Arum said that they are going to hire Nevada to do it, who has never done it and don’t even have a lab for it. That is one of the biggest issues I have. So either he knows something others don’t or heck I can’t even think of anything else

Posted September 23, 2013 4:37 pm 


toosalty

Supreme Court

Well said Supreme Court

Posted September 23, 2013 4:37 pm 


Joseph Herron

Happy Boy, Golden Boy should have really tried to make a fight between Amir Khan and Adrien Broner.

If Amir would win that fight, then you have a sure fire PPV spectcular because Amir just beat up on Floyd’s little brother.

And if Broner wins, well then you have another legitimate PPV star.

But, GBP is going to have a hard time selling an Amir Khan/Mayweather PPV if Khan doesn’t look good against Devon Alexander, which is a very good possiblity.

My guess is that GBP is realizing that…that’s why Khan hasn’t signed the contract yet.

Posted September 23, 2013 4:35 pm 


Tomato Can

Most aren’t all bad, I’m sure the same goes for Bob Arum. But he doesn’t want work with GBP, or Mayweather and visa-versa. Any chance of an Arum fighter getting a fight with a top GBP fighter, or Mayweahter wont be happening anytime soon. The current trend has been, in order to fight Arum’s cash cow, Pacquiao is that that you have to be a top rank fighter, or sign with him. Mosely, Bradley, and Marquez all ended up doing this. By the way, does anyone know what the scoop was with Clottey? Is he still a Top Rank fighter, or did he wait out his contract before fighting again, this past week?

Posted September 23, 2013 4:32 pm 


Happyboy

ASIDE FR0M MARQUEZ AND PACMAN WH0 BEL0NG T0 TR WH0 ELSE IS A G00D AND PR0FITABLE 0PP0NENT F0R FL0YD.

Posted September 23, 2013 4:26 pm 


Joseph Herron

“Without Don’s consistent mentoring, they would have the same amount of success.”

I meant to type: they would not have the same amount of success

Posted September 23, 2013 4:23 pm 


Joseph Herron

Supreme Court,

You still haven’t answered why Bob Arum is the devil. Because you have no idea what you’re talking about or what Bob Arum does to cultivate fighters.

Bob Arum and Top Rank matchmaker Bruce Trampler are in the International Boxing Hall of fame for a reason.

They are the very best at nurturing a young fighter’s career the right way.

The only person who is currently in the same league is fellow Hall of Famer Don Chargin…who subsequently taught everyone at Golden Boy Promotions everything they current think they know.

Without Don’s consistent mentoring, they would have the same amount of success.

Tell me somthing, Supreme Court…how many fighters have Golden Boy successfully nurtured into legitimate stars without the help of either Don Chargin, Bruce Trampler, or Bob Arum?

None!!

Posted September 23, 2013 4:22 pm 


Tnt

Posters on here seem to have an aversion to discussing facts. Pro Mayweather fans have posted facts! And yet this conversation still seems to rage on regarding opponents who are clearly to big for Floyd or not as good as Floyd. I want the haters to post some facts on here instead of emotion.

Posted September 23, 2013 4:20 pm 


Kid Blast

“If not, what fight does he need; etc”

5 more wins and I don’t care who they are against though I do have AN ARTICLE COMING ON THIS ON ANOTHER SITE.

Posted September 23, 2013 4:19 pm 


Kid Blast

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Posted September 23, 2013 4:17 pm 


Kid Blast

Supreme court. A legacy is something a fighter leaves behind. I’ll not discuss what a fighter leaves behind until e levees it behind.

Posted September 23, 2013 4:17 pm 


……….. I’m over here>>>>>>>

And then SREMOND returns straight after Supreme Court logs out again. hehehe.

Posted September 23, 2013 4:16 pm 


SREDMOND

Theodore Romanski, of course Duran quitting is RELEVANT to the discussion… If we are going to elevate Duran, Leonard, Hagler and Hearns to sainthood and try and use them as a hammer to crush Floyd Mayweathers accomplishments then we have to dig deeper… Fact is each man has some positives in Floyd and some negatives…ALL are Great fighters and Floyd Mayweather belongs in that discussion… He’s one of the best to ever do!

Posted September 23, 2013 4:11 pm 


Old Yank

Supreme Court — Fair enough.

Posted September 23, 2013 3:50 pm 


Tnt

I don’t think people on this forum read. Skills are skills. It is impossible to fight everyone in your era! Furthermore he is clearing out the division as we speak!! You know the only people that say Floyd is not the best ever are fans on this forum. The ex-fighters and trainers are all in agreement. You are watching the best ever. We do not know whether Floyd would have been unbeaten in another era. However, dealing with facts, we know for sue that he is the most skilled ever!! Furthermore people on here saying he is the best of his era but when they talk about him being considered the greatest ever they say he must beat Pac. Does that make any sense? If he is the best fighter of his era why does he need to beat Pac a lesser fighter in his own era to be the best ever. Surely to be the best ever, you match up people who were the greatest in different eras! And if Floyd is clearly more skilled than those in prior eras and we know that athletic ability and technology has improved to the level that it is today, how can he not be the best ever!

Posted September 23, 2013 3:44 pm 


Tomato Can

Agreed. That’s what I’ve been saying for a long time now. There are plenty of fights to be made at 147 for Mayweather. Not every fight has to be a record breaker, as some seem to think. But the chance of Mayweather fighting any Top Rank fighters is slim to none.

Posted September 23, 2013 3:41 pm 


Joseph Herron

I don’t know yet, RGR…have to wait for my Head to Head match-up the day of the fight.

That’s not true…I always let the cat out of the bag on my Sunday night show

Posted September 23, 2013 3:38 pm 


Joseph Herron

Guys,

I think all of this talk concerning Floyd fighting at 154 pounds is not necessary.

There is more than enough talent at 140 and 147 pounds for Floyd to fulfill his contract with CBS/Showtime.

The problem lies in the match-ups…are there enough fighters to create the kind of “buzz” needed to make the kind of money all parties involved are looking for?

But if you’re just looking for competitive fights, there are more than enough and Junior Welter and Welterweight.

Posted September 23, 2013 3:37 pm 


Joseph Herron

Toosalty,

You state this without questioning Floyd’s motives. Why?

That’s my point…Is Bob really the devil? Isn’t he the promoter who cultivated the careers of the three biggest stars the sport has seen over the last fifteen years?

DLH, Mayweather, and Pacquiao?

Why does Floyd have such animosity for the man? Is it really worth depriving the fight fans of match-ups with Pacquiao and Tim Bradley?

Posted September 23, 2013 3:32 pm 


Theodore Romanski

Floyd should not be undefeated, Castillo beat beat him but was robbed on away shores, no ifs or buts.

What does Duran quitting in a fight Floyd never would’ve taken have to do with this? Terrible argument. Duran fought prime ATG #10 Leonard x 2, Floyd wouldn’t have even made it to quitting in a fight against an opponent of that calibre because he never would’ve climbed into a ring with anyone remotely close to being that good. Not remotely. His quitting came in the shape and form of his reluctance and cowardice to test himself against legitimate threats. At least Duran had the courage to fight all these greats, his nuts are a billion times bigger than Floyd’s are.

Hagler cleaned out historically one of the toughest divisions in the sport after being frozen out for years, losing a razor tight decision to ATG top 10 Leonard is no disgrace. Floyd wouldn’t have ever fought a fighter half as good as either of them.

Hearns fought a litany of true greats and tested himself against some of the best to ever lace them up. Floyd’s zero only exists because of his innate cowardice

Posted September 23, 2013 3:27 pm 


SREDMOND

Turbo Hamster, Floyd is easily the best fighter in the world at the appropriate weight… Do BIGGER boxers melting down for one night then packing on 20 pounds present additional risk? Yes, that said I’m OK with guys being Great in weight classes they wanna fight in…

Posted September 23, 2013 3:24 pm 


Theodore Romanski

De Lima I

‘Give me a break! As if any boxer in history ever fought every possible opponent!
TH and SRL were the two biggest duckers in history!”

And yet Hearns fought

Ray Leonard x2
Roberto Duran
Marvin Hagler
Wilfredo Benitez
Virgil Hill
Pipino Cuevas

and Leonard fought

Duran x 3
Marvin Hagler
Thomas Hearns x 2
Wilfred Benitez

Among others

And Floyd fought who exactly?

He never would’ve fought fighters of that calibre once, especially the top four ones, much less done so more than once. He blatantly ducked much lesser fighters and deep down you all know there’s no god damn way in hell he’d ever step within a 5000 mile radius of the likes of Duran, Hagler, Hearns, Benitez if he knew they were gloved up and anywhere near their primes.

Posted September 23, 2013 3:13 pm 


Old Yank

Canelo does not own a single stoppage of a legit 154 pound fighter; how will he stop anyone at 160?

Posted September 23, 2013 3:09 pm 


toosalty

Joseph Herron

Because Timothy Bradley doesnt belong to himself anymore he belongs to Bob Arum. FM will not work with this devil whom we know as Bob Arum.

Posted September 23, 2013 3:03 pm 


Joseph Herron

Gary,

i really like the Bradley/May match-up just as much as you…but, while Bradley remains under contract with Top Rank, there’s really no point in discussing it.

What i think is a little more worth discussion, is the idea that most blame Bob Arum for these match-ups not being made while Floyd is a free agent and his own promoter?

Floyd doesn’t belong to Golden Boy Promotions…why aren’t most pitting the onus on Mayweather concerning a potential bout with Tim Bradley?

Posted September 23, 2013 2:54 pm 


dtoyS

Floyd needs to move up in weight and challenge Trout, Lara, Molina, Martisoyan and GGG. if Floyd could easily handle a solid strong 172 pounds Canelo than he shouldn’t have any problems in moving up.

Posted September 23, 2013 2:44 pm 


Turb0-H@mster

SREDMOND, leaving aside all the exposition, and the business, legacy etc reasons why Mayweather doesn`t need to stay at or go above 154lbs……do YOU believe he is the best fighter in the world who can make the 154lb limit the day before the fight?

I know that with wins over Cotto and Canelo he has recorded the best quality wins in that weight, but that is not what I mean, I am talking an assessment of whether his skill will get him past anyone who could hypothetically make JMW?

Posted September 23, 2013 2:39 pm 


toosalty

Public Enemy

Cinnabum is no better then Angulo probaly a notch below. I agree 110% maybe not even a notch because at least Angulo doesnt get tired by the 4th rd and built his name on fighting old or small guys lol

Posted September 23, 2013 2:38 pm 


Hendo

People are so ignorant posting in here; instead of doing their homework and write facts…. But no, all they want to do is write nonsense… If the conversation had fact, it would be a good discussion to argue…

Posted September 23, 2013 2:37 pm 


Public Enemy

Cinnabum is no better then Angulo probaly a notch below.

Posted September 23, 2013 2:34 pm 


Public Enemy

When Canelo stops running from Cuban Lara, Rosado, Kirkland and steps up to fight guys closer to his 172+lbs true size like GGG, Quillin, Andre Ward then we can talk about what this hype job skills are until then he continues to be all hype exposed silly by 145lb old Mayweather..

Posted September 23, 2013 2:34 pm 


Public Enemy

tumbo – what canelo learned was that he isn’t anything special and that going forward he must definitely come into his fights weighing 20+lbs and this opponent has to be washed up, damaged and small.. LOL

Posted September 23, 2013 2:31 pm 


toosalty

Anonymous AGAIN

ZERO FIGHTS THAT STAND OUT, because he made them all look sooooo easy. Yall want to compare Trout to Floyd so yall thought Canelo had a chance, like i said he was a good c class bum. no fighters that FM didnt fight stood a chance not PAC, Margarito,PWill. There is only 1, that would have givin FM a close fight, and thats V.forest bless his soul. and dnt even say the ODH fight was close because it wasnt, thats a fraud, blind man, or a crooks way of thinking.

Posted September 23, 2013 2:27 pm 


malachi

TooSalty`Church is in session(preach)..yezzir!

Posted September 23, 2013 2:26 pm 


Boxe0

You can’t manufacture a legacy.

Posted September 23, 2013 2:22 pm 


toosalty

Anonymous

Do your home work 1st before stating how you feel and not FACTS . FM was signed with TRank when Kostya fight could have been possible so how is that FM fault? Prime Oscar, Prime Mosely REALLY are you serious. FM was calling a Prime Oscar out while he was at the 130-135 HE WAS STILL UNDER Bob TR again would not have it. FM CALLED A PRIME SHANE OUT AFTER HE BEAT OR REALLY LOST TO OSCAR THE 2ND FIGHT, BUT SHANE HAD A TOOACHE REMEMBER. LET IT GO with Castillo, FM beat him twice, at least he gave him a rematch. FM even called out winky, but yall dont remeber that because most of yall talk with your hearts and not facts. YALL ARE MEDIA THINKERS, HOW EVER THEY TELL YOU TO THINK IS HOW YOU THINK AND BELEIVE.

Posted September 23, 2013 2:19 pm 


Kid Blast

“…though. i give Canelo a convincing nod v. Golovkin. i think in about a year he F’Ks him up pretty good, too.”” This will be entered into my Hall of Shame for bad ESB posts. thanks’ Tumbo. We have an entire wing dedicated just to you. “twisted”

Posted September 23, 2013 2:07 pm 


malachi

old yank`he’s fought champions or title holders back to back and i guarantee you he will go out in these last fights doing the same thing,his legacy’s safe as well…yezzzir!

Posted September 23, 2013 1:56 pm 


Tomato Can

If Bradley wins he’ll probably get another fight with Pacquiao. this time in China.

Posted September 23, 2013 1:53 pm 


malachi

Te Tumbo`co-signed,my man!

Posted September 23, 2013 1:51 pm 


Old Yank

Some all-time-greats fought during periods of time when the outcome of the bout was predetermined by, ahem, businessmen with an interest in the outcome; the sport is full of asterisks. In spite of asterisks like these, greatness has found its way into the legacies of these all-time-greats. Mayweather will have his own attached to his name. However, in spite of asterisks, greatness rises above the chatter of fools and finds a way to be written in history where few bother to “read” the footnotes attached to the asterisks. Again, I suspect that the eyes of respected observers will eventually form the substance of Mayweather’s legacy. If this proves to be the case then I doubt his legacy will be in jeopardy of falling short of the measure of greatness.

Posted September 23, 2013 1:49 pm 


malachi

Sredmond`I wish I could agree with you on that my man but the boxing Tim Bradley is just all wrong for Mighty Marquez,and I’M hoping I’m wrong because Marquez is one of my top soldiers but Timmy’s not gonna just go out there and slug like in his last fight, he knows what time it is. I just see Marquez not being able to handle the speed and movements of a super focused Timmy and they both want to win this fight bad because it really seals the deal who’s the top alpha in that trio since they both got passed Pacman there could only be one and you know like I know that Pacman’s gunning for the winner and I’m hoping that if that happens to be Marquez that he could humbly turn his back in satisfaction and retire because he would have nothing else to prove in the best sport on earth….noope!

Posted September 23, 2013 1:47 pm 


te tumbo

IMO, what Canelo learned is that he was not able to compete v. the very best. i don’t know how this revelation will affect him long-term(?). if he concedes that he was too young and inexperienced after all, not much. if he’s not convinced that he can get much better and will always struggle v. the era’s best, his handlers may finally be able to impose a more cautious matchmaking strategy. Canelo remains the very best among the current 154lbrs, but that means nothing at 147lbs or 168lbs. it could make an impression on 160lbs, though. i give Canelo a convincing nod v. Golovkin. i think in about a year he F’Ks him up pretty good, too.

Posted September 23, 2013 1:40 pm 


SREDMOND

Mayweather should holds many positive distinctions that many other Greats don’t ie… Lineal Champ 4 weight classes, never defeated 45 straight bouts, Titles 5 divisions… Never quit like Duran, never let a guy comeup and outbox him after a LONG layoff like Hagler, was not a shell being humiliated like Leonard at 34…Did not get knocked out by an Iran Barkley equivalent like Hearns at 29 years old… Again I’m not saying Floyd is necessarily greater but these men all have DARK episodes in the ring whereas Mayweather has made this all look pretty easy which is one of the reasons people are dumbfounded… They expect guys to lose and no matter the records or accomplishments of his foes..they believe the Universe will be aligned if Mayweather can just stop losing like everyone else..

Posted September 23, 2013 1:37 pm 


te tumbo

MALACHI, Agreed. I feel the same way. if you love the sport, you’ve gotta love Mayweather’s unique mastery of the sport we love. Btw, Mayweather does contribute personal and very commendable characteristics to his own success. he’s dedicated, clean-living, intelligent, but even that is secondary to the way Mayweather has been able to carve out and dominate very deep, competitive, and dangerous turf. this ain’t the lackluster Heavies currently dominated by the Klitschkos. this is welter and middle. the lean, mean, and meaty curve of the entire sport and Mayweather Owns It. you have to bow down to his reign while it lasts, if not a second longer.

Posted September 23, 2013 1:34 pm 


big moe

Old school fighters get a free pass. They could have fought 30 level fighters and fought three top notch guys and they are ATGS. Todays fighters cant do that. They have to fight a plus comp from beginning to end. And when they do..haters find something to complain about. Ray leonard four marquee fights and he’s all that. Forget the other 29 fights that were not on his level

Posted September 23, 2013 1:33 pm 


Old Yank

Kid Blast — Agreed! …and much in line with my earlier comment.

Posted September 23, 2013 1:31 pm 


malachi

I know a lot of you guys don’t like Mayweather because of his personality and really looking forward to him losing but come on how can you discredit what this mans done in the sport we all love so much,he wont be a loveable guy or as classy as a lot of our distant throwback fighters but the mans the best like it or not and his record and accomplishments will indeed reflect so come on fellas let’s just sit back and see what else this picaso has up his sleeve before he retires and we won’t get to see a true mastermind in the squared circle again for a very long time,it’s time to at least give him his just due…yezzzir!

Posted September 23, 2013 1:27 pm 


Anonymous

Floyd Mayweather will be a distant memory when he retires. He’ll be remembered mostly for his money making and his out of the ring antics. He has zero fights that stand out to people. Yes, he was a very good fighter and a great athlete, but avoiding Manny Pacquiao tainted his career forever even if he fought him today. Too late. He fought too many guys that were old or simply didn’t have any real skills. He could have fought Kostya Tzyu, Prime Oscar, Prime Mosely and others. He didn’t until they were old and even then almost got knocked out my Mosely and almost beaten by Oscar. Two old guys past their primes. He did beat a very good Diego Corrales, and actually lost to Jose Luis Castillo. Fighters that are remembered down the road are guys like Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Mike Tyson, Holmes, Ali, Joe Frazer, Salvador Sanchez, Gatti/Ward, Chavez and many other great fighters that tested their skills and their hearts against real challengers. Mayweather ran from adversity rather than taking it on. Yes he has a lot of money, but his legacy will always be questioned. The unbeaten record means nothing at the end of the day. Calzhage, Finito Lopez, Marciano all retired undefeated. Mayweather had great management that carefully and intelligently planned his tremendous money making machine, and it worked. He needs to be given credit. Floyd Mayweather will go down as one of histories best fighters. Among the 50 best, Floyd ranks between 30-50.

Posted September 23, 2013 1:26 pm 


De Lima I.

Theodore Romanski — “Those guys were legends who fought and actively sought out fights against fellow greats, not did everything in their power to avoid them.”

Give me a break! As if any boxer in history ever fought every possible opponent!
TH and SRL were the two biggest duckers in history!

Posted September 23, 2013 1:25 pm 


SREDMOND

Tim Bradley is NOT gonna make it past Marquez, he has been in back to back Wars
And could not even escape insane punishment against a crude banger like Provodnikov… Bradley was slurring his words for 2 months , he’s a Top Rank fighter and stands no chance of getting in the ring with Floyd… Bradley has heart but he would be made to look TERRIBLE he does not even have a punchers chance… What’s he gonna do? Outbox Floyd Mayweather? Maybe when FMJ is 45

Posted September 23, 2013 12:47 pm 


Theodore Romanski

Floyd doesn’t deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the highest rated ATGs. Not even close. Those guys were legends who fought and actively sought out fights against fellow greats, not did everthing in their power to avoid them. Floyd is a charlatan who dupes the gullible into believing he’s something that he’s not by cherry-picking merely average foes who present no threat and then building them up to be legitimate threats. Floyd is an ATG con-man, not a top end ATG fighter. He proclaims himself the greatest of all times, the best ever, which is the ultimate insult to the legends who came before him. His resume pales into insignificance to most of the true legends. He’s never beaten a great fighter in their prime, but we know he actively ducked one. He’s never even fought one for goodness sake.

He’s been cherry-picking non stop since he moved up from 135, feasting off C and D level fighters who wouldn’t have even been contenders in a stronger era and the carcasses of once legitimate threats whose threat had been extinguished long before he fought them. Floyd profits from fighting in a weak era where we have a preponderance of world titles. IN the days of eight divisions where there was only one champ per division he would’ve been forced to fight the best, either that or conveniently lose his urge and avoid them, which had he done so he wouldn’t have had any belts to wrap around his waist or tell his grandchildren he was once a world champion when he got old.

He ran from Pacquiao with his tail between his legs like a frightened school girl and conveniently lost his urge and retired for nigh on two years when the 147 was loaded with talent and there were lots of great match ups against prime and dangerous opponents who were at their peak there on a plate for him. This isn’t a coincidence. These are the actions of a charlatan and a coward, not a high end ATG and a legend. That’s all well and good but if you’re going to do that but don’t then and go and proclaim yourself the greatest of all time if you’re going to do that, not only do you insult the true legends of the sport who dared to be great by fighting other great fighters while they were in their prime and truly testing opposition, but you also insult the intelligence of the true fans too.

Posted September 23, 2013 12:47 pm 


boxing

Only fights which wouldinterest me are obviously Pacman for obvious reasons, Khan, as I’d like to see how Mayweather compares against Khan speed wise, and GGG if he can come down to light middle as he’s looked so powerful recently. Beyond that he may as well retire for me. Garcia, Marquez, Bradley and co. just dont bring anything to get my interest in a fight.

Posted September 23, 2013 12:21 pm 


Kid Blast

Legacy can only be evaluated after his career is over. His legacy will be reviewed in light of his entire body of work.

Posted September 23, 2013 12:12 pm 


Tomato Can

Most here know Tim is an Arum fighter. That’s a huge hurdel by it’s sefl, other than that, if Bradely gets by Marquez, and leaves top rank, I’m sure he’ll get a chance to land a fight with Mayweather.

Posted September 23, 2013 12:09 pm 


GaryintheBronx

BRADLEY IS THE OBVIOUS This is nuts – All this talk about Floyd facing boxers who have multiple losses, draws, been knocked out in brutal fashion, walk around 20 plus pounds heavier than his fighting range and I’m the only one crying out for a Tim Bradley match? What is going on with you guys? Can’t you see with your own eyes that Tim Bradley is the most deserving? Tim will be 31-0 in just twenty days from now after whipping JMM’s elderly frame at the T&M Center in Vegas yet somehow will still be overlooked, ignored and continuously disrespected by the fans …. When will this stop and the true fans start calling for this fight to happen?

Posted September 23, 2013 12:01 pm 


Old Yank

Perhaps I’m being a bit technical. “Does Mayweather’s legacy hold up in history?” The entire question is awkward. By definition a legacy is what endures the tests of history. Additionally, a legacy in the context of career achievement is not in the present tense; it is what gets established in the future. The appropriate question is, “Will Mayweather have a legacy that stands up to other boxing greats?”

Myth, legend, story-telling, enhancing and diminishing and more all need to marinate in the crucible of history before a legacy can emerge. I am reasonably comfortable that after this process has had sufficient time be thoroughly grilled, Mayweather will have a legacy that stands up to other greats.

Posted September 23, 2013 11:36 am 


TARK

… “Should Mayweather go to 160???” … This is a stupid question.

Floyd Mayweather fought most of his career fights at 130. He has more championship fights at 130 than at any other weight. Going from 130 to 154 is an 18% increase in body weight. Floyd achieved that—and Floyd never even went to 135 until he was 25 years old.

When Robinson was 21 he was a full blown welterweight—but 160 pounds eventually became a very comfortable weight for Robinson. 154 pounds will never be a comfortable weight for Mayweather. He’s comfortable at 147.

Attempting to go from Welterweight Champ to Light Heavyweight champ in a career—which Robinson tried to do when he challenged Joey Maxim—is the same 18% increase in body weight Floyd achieved going from 130 to 154.

Robinson was not successful in his Light Heavyweight Title Challenge—and he declined to rematch Maxim. Ray also declined to challenge Archie Moore, who was older—and had more fights than Robinson, against better fighters.

Floyd won every challenge at 154 giving away as much as 20 pounds.

Posted September 23, 2013 11:13 am 


SREDMOND

If Floyd fights Khan it’s purely for the $$$$ we all know that… Canelo was supposed to be the Big Threat and he was easily handled… Floyd cannot fight tuneups or bouts that don’t bring $$$$ to the table… His guarantees demand bankable names… Manny Pacquiao fought Mosley off a tragic losing streak because the bout was sellable…
Mayweather fought his way to this position and should rightly be able to wind his career down… There is no cache in taking blows from a MW Who only has a few hardcore fans who can even pronounce his name…Khan simply would pay the bills no ones gonna give him a shot….Besides I doubt he gets by Alexander he’s gonna get caught

Posted September 23, 2013 11:11 am 


Anonymous

He fights best at 147 no way he should move up in weight. He beat Alverez at 150.5 but he is not a junior middle weight, He can fight Danny Garcia, Amir Kahn easily. And if these big men want to challenge hom they need to drop the pounds simply MW is the master technition he can stay close or box fro a distance and still you cannot land on him. He is the best of any era to beat him you have to not only think like him but to adjust when he does like a chess player,

Posted September 23, 2013 11:09 am 


SREDMOND

Mayweather does NOT have to move up a single pound… The guy has proved his point from 130 to 154…. He’s not a true 154 pounder let alone a 160 pounder… The guys gonna be 37 before his next fight, he’s too smart to jump another 7 pounds in a young mans game… Sure his detractors would love to see a MW get some leather on him, they would be happy to see a Cruiserweight do it so what’s the difference? The only victory they will celebrate is one of his foes so what’s the point? If Mayweather knocked out GGG and Martinez on the same night there would be excuses… I hope Floyd stays at 147 and finishes his career on top….

Posted September 23, 2013 10:49 am 


De Lima I.

Agreed

Posted September 23, 2013 10:46 am 


SREDMOND

Mayweathers legacy stands above 97% of those who have EVER put in gloves professionally… There have been 1000’s of boxers over the years and his accomplishments rank favorably with the absolute elite upper echelon… There is no single fighter out there with the pull to redefine him, if by some miracle he and Pacquaio fought it would be a feather in his cap but at this point PAC Mans struggles have deemed him the lessor craftsman…If he walked away today he will have been an undefeated lineal champ in 4 divisions having just Unified against a 23 year old bigger, young Champion…. His ring dominance even at 23 has been incredible, losing 1 card in 45 fights and barely losing rounds against it’s been a magnificient career for this ATG who changes the game…

Posted September 23, 2013 10:42 am 


Tomato Can

Mayweather has already done his moving up to higher weight classes he’s peaked out at 150 pounds, 20 pounds heavier than where he started. The guy is 36 years old…

Posted September 23, 2013 10:10 am 


Hidalgo

Vivek your comments about a potential Alvarez/Chavez fight confuse me. First you say, “if the stars do align and these two men somehow square off, personally, I don’t think it’s a very easy night for Canelo.” Then you say in the next paragraph, “But against a guy like Canelo, I think he’d simply be too slow and greatly outmatched.”

Typo?

Posted September 23, 2013 9:57 am 


De Lima I.

TH was a great fighter, but FMJ would be too quick for him.

Posted September 23, 2013 9:52 am 


Mbuyiseli

I think the person out of the fab 4 that would really beat Mayweather that would be the Hitman. 2 things that really bother Floyd it’s a jab. Look how hard Hearns’ jab is followed by the straight right. I doubt that Floyd would survive the first 5 rounds. My statement is no way based on the Mosley fight.

Posted September 23, 2013 9:39 am 


P4P PECKHAM

Sweet_Scientist – Mayweather is Showtime, GGG is HBO, therein lies your problem mate.

Posted September 23, 2013 9:32 am 


Brazilian Boxing Fan

Leonard is 5´10, Hagler is 5´9, Hearns is 6´1 and Duran is 5´7.

Posted September 23, 2013 9:29 am 


Brazilian Boxing Fan

Floyd Mayweather Jr. is 45-0-0-0 (26 KO). I believe his plan is to retire with 50-0-0-0. Only five more fights to go. I believe he can do it and that he will retire before he reaches the age of 40.

Posted September 23, 2013 9:29 am 


Brazilian Boxing Fan

Hagler was 5´9.

Posted September 23, 2013 9:27 am 


sweet_scientist

Vivek, Khan DOES nothing for Mayweather’s LEGACY at this point in Mayweather’s CAREER!! If Khan had lived up to the CONSIDERABLE hype surrounding him and remained undefeated Khan would be NEXT. Khan has struggled with Molina, and Diaz; Floyd WILL MASSACRE him!! Same with Devon Alexander, Timothy Bradley and…Danny Garcia!!

Showtime will be EXTREMELY SPOILED after the successful 2.2M PPV buys of Mayweather/Canelo and WANT more BIG events like this; NOT the 1M PPV buys of Mayweather/Guerrero.

Showtime will PUSH for Mayweather/Golovkin at 154lbs ESPECIALLY after GGG takes CARE of Curtis Stevens in the BRUTAL fashion that I think he will.

Mayweather/GGG is the NEXT BIG PPV under his $200M+ DEAL with Showtime!

Posted September 23, 2013 9:14 am 


Blaze

Why are they still doing this fake ass “interview” of Vivek? He’s a fan, not a fight analyst. Not rehydrating doesn’t mean Floyd can’t fight at higher weights. Floyd used to do the same thing at 135lbs back when ppl said he was too small for Welter weight. That’s just his strategy to stay faster than the other fighter. Height and reach has nothing to do with it. Tyson was 5’10’ with a 71″ reach at HAVYWEIGHT. Floyd has 1″ MORE reach than Tyson and is only 2 inches shorter at WW. Roy Jones jr was only 5″11 with a 74″ reach and went from MW to HW winning titles. Did we forget that Sergio Martinez had the same height and reach that he has now when he was a WW or that the same Tommy Hearns he mentioned that went up in weight had the same height and reach that he had fighting at WW? Height and reach has nothing to do with it. You work the tools you have. Floyd simply avoids certain fight styles and body types. That’s why his best fights and biggest challenges were fights organized by Arum.

Posted September 23, 2013 8:53 am 


P4P PECKHAM

Americans really need to start understanding the conjugation of the verb LOSE.
I am losing.
I am going to lose.
I have just lost.
I have suffered my first loss.
Those are correct!

Loose is as in my shoelace is loose, sounds like noose you fookin moose. FFS if you use someone else’e language, please get it right, retard!

The word loose should never be used when using the verb LOSE….comprend!?!

Americans just cannot get this right, I see it in about 75% of boxing comments, all from yanks!! Please read a dictionary or take some English lessons.
Actually, just learn Spanish as that’s what the majority of your population will be speaking in 30 years time.

Posted September 23, 2013 8:50 am 


Anonymous

MAYWEATHER KNOWS THAT THE REST ARE ALL B LEVEL,HE WILL STILL BE FIGHTING WHEN HE IS FIFTY.

Posted September 23, 2013 8:17 am 


Edgar Guevara

Mayweather-Garcia, Mayweather-Martinez, Mayweather-Bradley, Mayweather-Marquez 2, Mayweather-Pacquiao. If he wins all of these fights greatness he will receive. He is great now.

Posted September 23, 2013 8:06 am 


Parch-1

If greatness is determined by the weight classes conquered that how great is Marvin Hagler?

Posted September 23, 2013 7:40 am 


MNboxingFAN – Sean

Chavez Jr. is too big for Alvarez. To me that’s a mismatch and doesn’t need to happen. Just like Danny Garcia fighting Floyd would be a mismatch. Garcia isn’t big enough and will get killed.

Posted September 23, 2013 7:25 am 


jcwangel

“Turb0-H@mster
Personally I`d like to see Mayweather versus an irritable, fully grown Male Baboon trained by Nazim Richardson. 10oz gloves, 20ft ring, over 15 rounds. No 3 knockdown rule, can`t be save by the bell in any round, Mayweathers vaseline must be infused with female baboon scent.

IF he wins that, then maybe I`ll put him on the ATG list. MAYBE.”

hahahahahaha!!!!!

but seriously, this article is good, a realistic look at things for sure, but i still think the fab 4 would give mayweather more trouble then this article implies, no doubt he has the potential to win against them all but difficult to guess none the less

Posted September 23, 2013 7:23 am 


Jonn E. JaGozza

I thikk as hard as i try to find, fault with Mayweather, I simply can’t. He scool’d Canelo and didi it in remarkabe fashion. Even Canelo admitted that . To me I think he’s unbeatable …. I’ve watched the fight many times and it was a brilliant performance… I’m now of the opinion thatt he is a better fighter than ALi. ALi’s career was not as long as Mayweather and again, he’s undefeated .. GIVE THE GUY HIS DUE .. PEACE

ALthough we’re NOT talking about the Garcia fight in this post ,I have to say that I would like to see a rematch in that one. Yes, he won but he didn’t win in the same manner that Mayweather did. I think a rematch would have a totally different outcome. PEACE

Posted September 23, 2013 7:22 am 


Swamp hound

in all fairness and legality, it should be Molina or Lara next

Posted September 23, 2013 6:38 am 


Pinhead

Floyds next opponent all depends on results of fights that are not too far away. If Manny shines against Rios then the call for this fight will start all over again, Manny is not done or close to it, this is the only man to give Floyd a bit more to think about, and the only fight without the need for a good undercard in order to sell Floyd.

Posted September 23, 2013 6:20 am 


Swamp hound

Author is a psychopathetic tr0ll because everybody with common sense knew that Canelo who could hardly beat Trout, would loose to Mayweather. Likewise, everybody knows Khan will loose but that blueprint is why TMT freaks pick them

Posted September 23, 2013 5:54 am 


MJames

Khan is a joke and does not deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Mayweather. No way should Khan get a shot.

Posted September 23, 2013 4:20 am 


Fightfan

Vivek, you have a blind cult worship for Floyd. Perhaps you need to turn to religion, you have embraced a false idol.

Posted September 23, 2013 3:52 am 


Haimat

Vivek is the most dedicated nut-hugger of all nut-huggers. He’ll hold on to those nuts as if his life depended on them. Vivek will keep on hugging those nuts until one of two things happen: the nuts are no more or Vivek is no more.
That’s long lasting love for you all! Give it up for Vivek!

Posted September 23, 2013 3:39 am 


Turb0-H@mster

Personally I`d like to see Mayweather versus an irritable, fully grown Male Baboon trained by Nazim Richardson. 10oz gloves, 20ft ring, over 15 rounds. No 3 knockdown rule, can`t be save by the bell in any round, Mayweathers vaseline must be infused with female baboon scent.

IF he wins that, then maybe I`ll put him on the ATG list. MAYBE.

Posted September 23, 2013 3:26 am 


juggernaut

I could never take this author serious because he is nothing but a Mayweather nut hugger

Posted September 23, 2013 3:15 am 


GaryintheBronx

FLoyd vs. Tim Bradley – Make it happen!

Posted September 23, 2013 3:14 am 



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