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V8mach

Sorry about the my use of some of my describing words in previous posts!!!! again sorry, i shall re read post before posting, its been a while and ive missed my boxing and its debates, love the views, opinions, facts and humorous vitriol by the old the young and the jaded and disgruntled, stop the hate though!! peace out!!!!!!!!!!

Posted September 21, 2012 6:05 am 


LOOL

edit- Would ‘ve KO him

Posted September 19, 2012 8:56 pm 


LOOL

I’m a boxing fan- i dont have a favorite fighter, i actually was impressed with martinez’s performance. I’m just speaking of the fact he got hit a couple times and was hurt badly, with a performance like that for the first 11 rds, why would he want a rematch knowing this guy can hurt him with just one punch like that? it would be smart for him to move on and try to get bigger fights.. IE floyd, Canelo, Manny..etc.

and watch the rd again and tell me he wasn’t trying to box and stay away until he got hit then had no choice but to start trying to fight Chavez off

Posted September 19, 2012 8:55 pm 


LOOL

If Chavez jr wouldnt KO him- I am sure Martinez’s team would want a rematch and Jr’s team would be hesitant to give him one- not sure what’s your comment is about here

Posted September 19, 2012 8:51 pm 


hype buster

No, no, no. That would be inhumane. As much as I hate unworthy fighters making millions due to connections, I would not want to see him get killed in the ring by any of those fighters. Way too strong. They would knock this fraud into the third row of ringside seats.

Posted September 19, 2012 3:28 pm 


hype buster

It will be a true mark of who he is??? We already know what he is. a fraud and a hype job who can’t box to save his life.

Posted September 19, 2012 3:24 pm 


hype buster

Spinks outworked Judah, but didn’t embarrass him nor toy with him for eleven rounds, nor did he rearrange Judah’s face…

Wake up. Snap out of fantasy hater land. Your boy got raped in front of his own people. Accept it. Move on.

Posted September 19, 2012 3:23 pm 


Nathan

It’s good to support Jr if you like but I don’t see much else other than he’s got some good power on body punches. He can’t jab well, doesn’t have enough stamina and clearly can’t outhustle, or cut the ring off.
Sergio said he wanted to slowly punish Jr. He did that.
I think Sergio put 80% on a lot of his stuff and jabbed much more than he would normally because he didn’t want a quick early round KO.
In a rematch instead of 950 punches, sergio will decrease punch count a tad and maximize his power. He won’t want to hang around till round 12 where he might be tired, make a MISTAKE, and get caught. That’s the only reason Jr had a chance. Much less likely Sergio will make a mistake in round 4 vs round 12.
Jr has bad habits. I don’t think he will change and have killer early rounds. He starts slow. If he changes his style entirely sergio can capitalize on his openings/mistakes and at least get some flash knockdowns if not a KO.
Jr supporters would LIKE a rematch but I don’t think a KO over Sergio is a reality.

Posted September 19, 2012 1:24 pm 


alan

Martinez fought with a broken left hand from the fourth round and also injured ligaments of the knee. Martinez is much better than Chavez. Martinez in the last round was falling by the knee injury and did not hit with his left hand because the fracture. Chavez had no chance against Martinez and neither will in the future.

Maravilla is God!!!

Posted September 19, 2012 12:19 pm 


alan

Martinez fought with a broken left hand from the fourth round and also injured ligaments of the knee. Martinez is much better than Chavez. Martinez in the last round was falling by the knee injury and did not hit with his left hand because the fracture. Chavez had no chance against Martinez and neither will in the future.

Posted September 19, 2012 12:17 pm 


Herbert

Martinez dominated Chavez for eleven rounds, then Chavez knocked Martinez down in the twelth round. And it was a cruel knockdown. So yes, he deserves a second chance.

Posted September 19, 2012 11:13 am 


ImJustSayin

I Agree. I think that Floyd sees the potential in this fight as well as money. Sergio vowed to give Floyed a 80/20 cut.

Posted September 19, 2012 10:13 am 


tommy

Agreed

Posted September 19, 2012 10:07 am 


BrokenChihuahua

Why are all these guys such Sore Losers? Why can’t they ever accept a loss in a gracious honorable manner?? When Young Green Danny Garcia beat Eric Morales in convincing fashion.. Eric Morales would not even shake the hands of Garcia who was trying to thank Morales for a great fight.. Cheaters are usually Sore losers.. …. and Sore Losers will usually resort to Cheating in order to win… it’s that low life Mindset

Posted September 19, 2012 9:48 am 


BrokenChihuahua

Chavez Jr is not Zab Judda… and Feather Fisted Spinks is not Sergio Martinez…

Posted September 19, 2012 9:45 am 


Manny

Lets not mention Bernard Hopkins on here. He’s a dirty cheater

Posted September 19, 2012 8:16 am 


Joepugz

let’ see how and what Chavez does with this loss. it will be the true mark of what type of guy he is. After all
although he thinks he’s his dad he simply isn’t and never will be. Jr. go back to the gym and this time put more effort and heart into the training and LISTEN to your trainer. You’ll make a comeback if yo can listen and continue to learn .. PEACE

Posted September 19, 2012 6:53 am 


Hidalgo

So what? What, is there a law that says Martinez has to take a rematch? The guy did exactly what he said he’d do and that’s take the title away from Jr. if I was Martinez I wouldn’t give him a rematch either. Make him suffer. Martinez waited two years for Jr. to fight him. He doesn’t owe Jr. squat. And before you go calling Martinez a chicken–like you’re already trying to do, go watch the 12thround again. A gladiator won that fight. Martinez doesn’t owe you anything either.

Posted September 19, 2012 2:22 am 


Hidalgo

Martinez did trade with him in the 12th. What fight were you watching? Another fool blinded by his love for Chavez.

Posted September 19, 2012 2:14 am 


Hidalgo

Oh, excuse me, you spelled it “retardad”. Double LMAO!!!

Posted September 19, 2012 2:08 am 


Hidalgo

And you sound like you are 14 years old. “retarded” LMAO!!

Posted September 19, 2012 2:06 am 


beer

Sergio wants Floyd Jr. I think he will get him too.

Posted September 19, 2012 1:00 am 


beer

Cerdan didn’t injure his shoulder, Lamotta messed it up with some rough clinching and made the frenchman quit on his stool. He beat Sugar Ray in his prime, so don’t make an ATG sound like a bum.

Posted September 19, 2012 12:57 am 


Alonso

It sounds retardad every time people say chavez is a light heavy weight when he weighed in at 158 ya 158 and in case you don’t know or just act stupid, NO ONE FiGHTS AT THEIR WEIGHT CLASS ON FIGHT NIGHT! If you can make the weight on friday then you’re fine get off this guys nutts already!

Posted September 19, 2012 12:18 am 


Jose

Bernard Hopkins is a dirtbag scum dirty fighter. I will personally protest a signed letter if even the thought of B-Hop entering boxing hall of fame.

Posted September 19, 2012 12:14 am 


sam

“His hand was broken, he got knocked down, his knee was messed up, but he got up and he didn’t look to hold. He looked to fight,” DiBella told ESPN. “Sergio Martinez is a man’s man. He could have held and grabbed Chavez, or just stay away, but that is not who he is. He wanted to fight to the end and knock the kid out.”

Posted September 19, 2012 12:09 am 


The Mad Scientist

Yes, you are right..if Chavez Jr would’ve had his half round of glory in the first round we wouldn’t be talking rematch because Martinez would’ve been out by the second round.

Posted September 18, 2012 11:05 pm 


46-0

Hopkins v Calzaghe, it was close on the score cards, but Hopkins cheated in the 10th round, big win for Calzaghe, end of.

Posted September 18, 2012 10:59 pm 


46-0

Hopkins would of got stopped in the 10th round against Calzaghe, but he cheated, too canny, Hopkins knew he would of got knocked out.

Posted September 18, 2012 10:54 pm 


ArguingWithIdiots

I think it would be great to see, Chavez Jr. fight at 168, or above. I would like to Chavez Jr. in with, Bute, or Froch. They would both pummel him.

Posted September 18, 2012 10:52 pm 


ArguingWithIdiots

The only real reason to have a rematch for this fight (besides money) would have been if Chavez actually stopped Martinez in the final round after loosing practically every minute of every round prior to the 12th. But as we know, that’s not what happened.

Posted September 18, 2012 10:49 pm 


ArguingWithIdiots

Martinez should take that easy money. That had to be the easiest fight of his careers, despite getting knocked down, in the last round, and breaking his hand. What a mismatch. And Martinez is an old fart, to boot.

Posted September 18, 2012 10:47 pm 


bubbalouie

Jeez are you guys forgetting he beat a guy 20 pounds heavier than him???? I thinkin a rematch at a proper weight Martinez takes baby Chavez apart.

Posted September 18, 2012 10:05 pm 


Redwood

This argument that Chavez deserves the rematch is so stupid to me. If Chavez had his half round of glory in the first round, there would never be a question of a rematch. Martinez dominated him for 11 rounds, that’s your fight right there. To suggest a rematch is needed is to disrespect all that Martinez accomplished in those first 11 rounds.

Posted September 18, 2012 9:59 pm 


te tumbo

(LoL) . . . :twisted:

Posted September 18, 2012 9:51 pm 


WTF?

If Chavez Jr. had won you can bet your first born that they would not talk rematch with Martinez.. they’d avoid him like the plague as they looked for easier big money opponents… But Chavez Jr. lost in a humiliating manner so they’re forced to deal with Martinez to try and redeem themselves…

Posted September 18, 2012 9:50 pm 


te tumbo

if Chavez Jr. needs babysitting, Roach should step aside and let the next trainer take a crack at disciplining Junior. sticking around while complaining that he can’t get Junior to listen to him is just plain greedy and dishonest. if anyone can afford to step aside it’s Roach.

Posted September 18, 2012 9:49 pm 


WTF?

What makes you feel Martinez is hesitant to give Chavez Jr. a rematch?? He’s already said a rematch sounds good to him…

Posted September 18, 2012 9:48 pm 


danny

chavez needs more experience a yr is on his side

Posted September 18, 2012 9:41 pm 


LOOL

I laugh at people who said Martinez decided to trade with him in the 12th round- watch the round again as you can clearly see martinez was trying to stay away from him until he got hit , now that his legs are not under him only then he had to trade with him to try to survive ( which he did )..

Yeah Martinez outclassed JR the first 11 rds, but there’s a reason this was a 12 round fight. There are many fights like that – only difference was martinez survived the last round. If Martinez got stopped in the 12th, all martinez fans or Chavez jr haters would cry for a rematch.

There’s a reason Martinez is hesitate to take the rematch. everyone knows JR is capable of hurting martinez as soon as he puts his hands on him. i wouldn’t want a rematch neither if i was martinez.

Posted September 18, 2012 9:38 pm 


Fate1

Chavez jr should target geale or a fight with pavlik at 168.

Posted September 18, 2012 9:06 pm 


S.ORDONEZ

OF COURSE CHAVEZ JR. WANTS A REMATCH,,,ITS SERGIO WHO DOES NOT WANT A REMATCH EVEN THOUGH MARTINEZ STANDS TO MAKE UP TO $5,000,000 IN A REMATCH ,HAVE YOU NOT HEARD SERGIO DOES NOT WANT A REMATCH LOOK IT UP,,,BREAKING NEWS !!!!

Posted September 18, 2012 8:58 pm 


Dino

Martinez wins again hands down.

Posted September 18, 2012 8:49 pm 


Juice

Martinez is a real fighter. However he does not bring in the dough like Chavez, therefore he WILL do the rematch, no drug test no rehydration clause, just like the first fight…BUT he will ask for a lot more MULA…& he WILL get it.

Posted September 18, 2012 8:35 pm 


Joseph Herron

It’s not Roach’s responsibility to discipline his fighter…Chavez is a grown man in the hurt business. Roach’s role is to develop a strategy and make sure his fighter can execute. If Chavez is incapable of resigning himself to a strict training regimen, that’s his own damn fault. Roach is not to blame here. Too many like to blame the trainer for a fighter’s short comings…Freddie isn’t a babysitter…he’s a world class, elite level trainer!!

Posted September 18, 2012 8:14 pm 


sam

The result of the fight has proven that Chavez Jr that is out of his depth and does not possess the right attitude to emulate the success his father or any other great champion accomplished for that matter. The fact that people are calling for a rematch is laughable, and the knockdown has very little significance after being dominated for 11 rounds. Some people have absurdly said that if he stepped it up earlier he would have stopped Martinez, which is ludicrous. Maybe the fact he did not step it up before the 12th was because he wasn’t allowed to, and only a bad decision from Martinez to stand and trade in the 12 was the reason for what happened. from another author.

Posted September 18, 2012 7:34 pm 


ADL

The only reason JJC landed those shots is because Sergio traded with him. Sergio doesnt have to exchange and trade with JJC to beat him, In a rematch Sergio will not exchange or trade but only box and pot shot. It will be a boring boxing clinic.

Posted September 18, 2012 7:19 pm 


te tumbo

a Chavez Jr. win over Martinez would still be an upset. Martinez showcased his versatility and fought one of the best fights of his career to not only outclass Junior over 11 rounds but to also take his best shots and remain on his feet for the final bell. he may have invested a little too much into the pre-fight headgames trying to bait(?) Junior into an aggressive hard-charging strategy. after all, i don’t think any knowledgeable fight-fan expected anything else or more from Junior. nonetheless, while i believe that Chavez Jr. can definitely improve on his performance, the only thing Martinez can do is reverse his fight-plan and actually try and go for the quick KO like he originally threatened. if successful, THAT would establish irrefutable dominance over Chavez Jr. however, i do think Junior punched a deep dent in Martinez’s diminishing gas tank, which i anticipate will be a factor in the rematch.

Posted September 18, 2012 6:51 pm 


WTF?

Sorry but that’s just not the case.. Boxing is a business and these guys get into it to make their Money.. right now there will be no bigger money fight for Martinez then a rematch with Chavez Jr. Why wouldn’t Martinez want a rematch? He dominated Chavez for 11 3/4 rounds? He tagged and hurt Chavez Jr. all night long.. He had a broken hand and even with a Knee injury was able to get up and still dominate Chavez Jr… Believe me the only worry for Martinez is that the Chavez Camp may rethink things and decide that a rematch with Martinez would be just too risky for Chavez’s bogus career… and opt out.. and try to land Chicken jr and easier opponent.. especially if Martinez demands weight gain restrictions and random drug testing.. Chicken Jr will not have any of that… So I hope they act fast and get the rematch signed..

Posted September 18, 2012 6:46 pm 


rca

Martinez will be reluctant to do with a rematch with Chavez. He now knows that he does not have enough power to stop Chavez but most of all he now is very aware Chavez can KO him anytime during the bout if Chavez catches him.

Posted September 18, 2012 6:13 pm 


Exiled Yank

The problem is that he couldn’t land on him. Even with a busted knee, Sergio had better movement than Chavez. The kid has had a good run and can still have a solid career, but he simply can’t hang with Sergio. What he really needs is to learn how to cut off the ring.

Posted September 18, 2012 5:39 pm 


te tumbo

nothing lucky about those puncheS. it was the belated outcome of an intentional fight-plan based on heavy and unrlenting pressure. NObody EVER said that Chavez Jr. could outbox Martinez. only pressure him into exchanges that favor Chavez Jr.

Posted September 18, 2012 5:37 pm 


te tumbo

181lbs is a 21lb rehydration. 185lbs-190lbs is pure speculation as is Martinez’s fight-night weight but 8-10lbs of overnight rehydration is a very reasonable estimate. comparable with same-day weigh-in rehydration levels. anyway, NObody is disputing that Chavez Jr. was outclassed but i’ve never been willing to concede that Chavez Jr. must be technically-superior to Martinez at all to earn the upset. only Bigger, Stronger, and Younger. those factors still apply and i’m in no way intimidated of expressing a minority opinion if it has a factual and logical base. i submit round 12 as Exhibit A and the logic that Chavez Jr. put a big dent in Martinez’s gas tank. combine both factors and you have a more intriguing PPV matchup than Ward v. Abraham or Mayweather v. Marquez.

Posted September 18, 2012 5:35 pm 


Not as good as my father

mad scientist, jr caught sergio with 1 minute remaining in the 12th, sergio was exhausted and got caught, but it took jr 12 rounds to catch him. A rematch would only result in jr’s face being disfigured. when is jr going to drop the jr and be him self.

Posted September 18, 2012 5:23 pm 


The Mad Scientist

IMO a rematch would only favor Chavez Jr now that the kid knows not only can he hurt Martinez chin but also his brittle hands and weak knees just on toughness and durability alone..add a better training regimen and game plan to cut off the ring and I say Mr. Wonderman is done..

Posted September 18, 2012 5:10 pm 


PigMan

Jr. had him in the 12th. If he had landed one of those haymakers Sergio
would have been put to sleep. Nice action end to the fight. Jr. showed
some heart and tenacity. Sergio was running on empty. If Jr. can learn
from the ‘old man’ how to cut off the ring the rematch will be a little different.
The Kid showed something to me. Tough and has heart. Needs some extra
training though.

Posted September 18, 2012 5:07 pm 


pugfan

Tark,i would pay to see that 1.

Posted September 18, 2012 5:04 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Isnt that what Kelly has been fighting since he lost to Martinez, immobile targets that are much more lesser fighters than Chavez Jr.

Posted September 18, 2012 5:03 pm 


Atruth

incredible or not, he weighed in at 181 for the Andy Lee fight, so i don’t see an extra 4 pounds to get him to 185 as impossible. Anyway, we don’t know since neither weighed in on the day of the fight, so we’re both guessing. And does it matter if it’s 15 pounds instead of 20?? point is Chavez is obviously a naturally much larger guy than Martinez, and should be fighting at 168, he looks no smaller than Ward, Froch, bute, all those guys. And I don’t hate Chavez, never did.

my point was Chavez fought a much younger and smaller man and lost 11 rounds badly, looking lost in some rounds, then got a lucky shot in the 12th that hurt the smaller guy. If the money makes sense for Martinez he will do a rematch, otherwise he should move on because i don’t think he has anything to prove.

Posted September 18, 2012 4:39 pm 


Not as good as my father

Jr got beat up, just like sergio said, nice flurry in the 12th, but Sergio too intelligent for Jr.

Posted September 18, 2012 4:35 pm 


TARK

For my money, Pavlik beats Chavez at 168… Kelly loves an immobile target to unload on. He hated the slippery Martinez.

Posted September 18, 2012 4:32 pm 


WTF?

If they Market Martinez Properly and he can get Canelo next he could become the next Great MexEcutioner and end up a very Rich Man….

Posted September 18, 2012 4:14 pm 


WTF?

Call me crazy but I want to see a rematch in Vegas though not Texas and with some Weight Gain restrictions and mandatory Random Blood testing.. I think Martinez has earned himself a few Huge Paydays and like it or not this is one of those fight that could get him those huge paydays.. I’ll watch it to support Martinez who has gotten my respect as a fighter…

Posted September 18, 2012 4:05 pm 


pugfan

Chavez vs. Pavlik would probably be a nice little scrap.

Posted September 18, 2012 4:05 pm 


TARK

WTF…. I would say Martinez is a better defender than Ali.. He certainly slips and ducks punches better. At 36 Ali got beaten up by unranked 7-fight neophyte, Leon Spinks.. Sergio is 37 and still beating number one contenders.. I don’t think Martinez had a legitimate loss in his 54 fights.. Cheato stopped him with suspect plastered wraps.. Williams beat him on a nearsighted split decision which was resounding reversed by a smashing 2nd round KO in the rematch.

Posted September 18, 2012 3:51 pm 


srminimo

You might be right. Maybe the knee keeps him off over a year, at which point he might decide to retire.

Posted September 18, 2012 3:48 pm 


srminimo

WTF- Jajaja, that’s not really accurate, but it’s funny. Latinos and Hispanics are the same thing, only some countries prefer one term over the other.

Posted September 18, 2012 3:47 pm 


hype buster

It’s easy to neutralize a poor boxer like fraud chavez by simple footwork, simple angles, and keep him following you while you light him up with every punch you have: Jab, jab, left hook, straight right, upper-cut, right cross, etc. etc. etc…..

Posted September 18, 2012 3:39 pm 


hype buster

He will get the rematch because of the same reason he got the first fight. C O N N E C T I O N S. Also, isn’t it strange how the fraud chavez has knock-down power that he never showed before. He is a feather-fisted puncher with renewed power? HMMMMMmmmmmm….. sounds like roids to me.

Posted September 18, 2012 3:29 pm 


Te tumbo

I know nothing about boxing. I just love Chavez’s curly locks because I am a biased Mexican that believes winning one round is enough to diminish a REAL fighters accomplishments. YAY Chavez!

Posted September 18, 2012 3:28 pm 


Pete

I was very surprised Chavez has no left jab or right cross? He was either lazy or he doesnt have it. It was a bit disappointing.

Posted September 18, 2012 3:11 pm 


WTF?

So based on your Delusional Comparisions then we would have to say that Martinez is a smaller version of the Great Ali.. light on his feet and could box anyones ears off like Martinez did to the Second coming of Angulo….

Posted September 18, 2012 3:09 pm 


WTF?

How dare you soil the name of the Great White Jake LaMotta with this Dirty Cheating douche Bag… If anything Chicken Jr is no better then a face first plodding Angulo…

Posted September 18, 2012 3:07 pm 


WTF?

I think you mean Juniors more like a Tex Cobb.. LOL… Jake LaMotta my ARSSSS….

Posted September 18, 2012 3:05 pm 


The Mad Scientist

My point exactly, much like great skill toughness, durability, ect are good qualities to have to make up for very little boxing ability sometimes..these Chavez Jr haters are trying to strip the kid of even that and leave him as a no good cheater garbage of a fighter..

Posted September 18, 2012 2:59 pm 


te tumbo

you might want to work on your reading comprehension. otherwise, i posted that if Martinez weighed 168lbs–170lbs on fight night and Chavez Jr. outweighed him by “20lbs” that would mean an incredible if not impossible 30lbs of overnight rehydration for a 188lb–190lb Chavez Jr. just one of the glaring holes in the Jr-Hating rhetoric, which makes it difficult to take anything you boys spout seriously.

Posted September 18, 2012 2:57 pm 


Atruth

he weighed 181 against Andy Lee. and he didn’t agree to get wieghed for the Martinez fight on fight night (it’s voluntary), The most obvisou reason for that is he didn’t want to show how much bigger he was. he probably weighed around 185, 20 pounds over Martinez. the rules of weigh ins should be changed, it’s not uncommon to see fights between fighters in different weight classes. A tule that fighters can’t rehydrate more than one weight class would make sense.

Posted September 18, 2012 2:52 pm 


TARK

Chavez’s is a bigger, taller Jake LaMotta.. LaMotta was a plodding, face first fighter who absorbed punches endlessly. He won the title because middleweight champion Marcel Cerdan injured his left shoulder and had to quit.. In a title defense, LaMotta was gettng badly battered by journeyman Laurent Dauthuille for 14 rounds. LaMotta was a certain loser on all scorecards, but the exhausted challenger finally grew weary of punching LaMotta and was stopped with 10 seconds to go in the 15th.

Posted September 18, 2012 2:21 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Everyone already knew Chavez Jr has little to no skill..the kid depends on his size, youth, strength, toughness, durability and constant attack to the body to be effective in fights..you guys are just mad because even with those advantages you didn’t envision Sergio almost getting KTFO or him now having to sit out for 6 month healing his wounds that he suffered during the fight..

Posted September 18, 2012 1:59 pm 


Hidalgo

Btw, Martinez displayed a moment of carelessness in the 12th and he paid for it. That won’t happen in a second fight.

Posted September 18, 2012 1:55 pm 


Mike

To all Chavez supporters who want the rematch because of the 12th round n say bell saved Martinez do u guys really want to see maravilla dominate again. One lucky punch. Chavez and his supporters have nothing to complain about he had 11 rounds before that to get that ko n didn’t. Next fight I see Chavez gain confidence n open up then I see Sergio countering n getting his ko win.

Posted September 18, 2012 1:55 pm 


hype buster

Has his number? Everyone who is a level B or better has chavez’s number.

Posted September 18, 2012 1:36 pm 


WTF?

Atleast the world got to see first hand on live TV that Chavez Jr. is nothing more then another head first Plodder with little to no Boxing Skills.. Basically another Angulo with a Famous Daddy and a Godfather Sulaiman giving him Belts for Christmas.. Atleast we now all know he will never ever be anything Great in Boxing.. next up will be Canelo.. Maybe Martinez can do us all a favor and flush that turd down the Toilet as well…. :twisted:

Posted September 18, 2012 1:18 pm 


Titopa

te tumbo believes Chavez weighed 167lbs the night of the fight LOL More like 185-190lbs, EASY!!!!

Posted September 18, 2012 1:08 pm 


Titopa

Yes, rematch. This time Martinez goes for the kill instead of just punishing Chavez

Posted September 18, 2012 1:07 pm 


Pistol Pete

Unless Sergio aged 5 years over the weekend he will defeat Julio Ceasar Chavez Jr easily in a rematch

Posted September 18, 2012 12:55 pm 


The Russian Tyson

Chavez jr. dosen`t need a rematch with Martinez.This was the biggest fight of his life and he got banged up and overshadowed by his famous father, the major media outlets were talking more about Chavez Sr. vs. Taylor , than they were about him.There`s only one way that he can break free of his father`s large shadow and that is by beating legitimate A-level ,p4p-type fighters something that he has never done.A significant test that would provide a bounce to his image would be for Chavez Jr. to fight Carl Froch.Arum has carefully matched him with stationary B-level opponents scripted to mask his limitations and play up to the hispanic fans and Junior`s noble birth to a Mexican boxing legend.The honeymoon is over put him in with Froch.

Posted September 18, 2012 12:33 pm 


WTF?

Martinez would love a rematch espeicially if gets him a huge Money Payday which in this case will definitely be the case.. why wouldn’t he want to beat up this idiot for another 12 rounds? with a healthy hand and not looking to go into the 12th round looking to play a Macho Game? The problem is that Chavez Jr. after watching the Tape of this totally one sided beat down may look for easier smaller guys to fight.. maybe steal another belt from someone…

Posted September 18, 2012 12:20 pm 


Sergio

No need for a rematch.IF Martinez wants to cement his legacy he needs to move to better fighters than Julio.
Cotto would be a better match for Sergio; Miguel can work from different angles, he can duck punches, jabs pretty well and knows how to work inside. At 154 is a terrific match for Martinez.

Posted September 18, 2012 12:16 pm 


Atruth

I meant Chavez talks a big game about being a warrior.

Posted September 18, 2012 12:16 pm 


Atruth

He’s a lot younger and much bigger, so he can get lucky again. martinez clearly dominated, and got caught with a lucky punch from a guy that outweighed him by at least 20 pounds, if not more.

Martinez, who talks a big “macho”game about being a warrior, should fight someone his own size. His recent wins have come about because of his ability to drop weight and put it back on. He should move up to 168, fight Froch, Ward, Bute, Kessler.
I think any of those huys would kill him, but we shouldn’t have a cruiserweight fighting middleweights.

Posted September 18, 2012 12:15 pm 


chitownfightfan

“Martinez dominated Chavez Jr. for 35 minutes of a 36 minute fight”

Addressing this mistake…………….

Chavez was able to put Sergio on the ropes and had him fighting off the back foot for the MAJORITY of the fight. Sergio mixed up a higher than normal volume of shots while keeping Chavez honest for the MAJORITY of the fight.

HOWEVER, JR had moments in most every round. Little 15 seconds of momentum changes. I gave Chavez 3 rds and scored one rd even. I don’t think there was ANY rds that Chavez out threw Martinez. I dont think Chavez outthrew him in the 12th. IDK, don’t remember rbr stats. But there were 3 rds CLEARLY to the unbiased observer in which Chavez won more than 1:30 seconds of a rd. And therefore gave him that rd even though Martinez was overall busier.

Martinez dominated Chavez NO DOUBT. But the more ppl lie and say he dominated him wholly over 11 rds leaves a bad taste to the non partison fans who like BOTH fighters.

There were in fact similar times during the fight before the hard R hand started the KD and FD during the 12th. In those times, such as when JR had Martinez ON the ROPES, actually digging those body shots. He also had times that he times Martinez, caught him hard, but failed to completely follow thru or recognized the damage caused because he really didn’t fully expect it to land and was himself, worried soas to defend against a counter. Those precious milliseconds are sometimes the deciding factor in a fight. Some, like Madaina, end it there. They intend that looping R hand to land, and are ready with the quick left and footwork to follow it up and end it. JR missed those moments. And he was dominated for it.

But a rematch, IMO, would be unwise for Sergio UNLESS he is somehow not able to get that well deserved payday vs ROID, Manny,Cotto or CanelHOE.
A rematch could go the way partison fans think and either be a KO or TKO stoppage as Sergio paints Chavez face with lumps and bruises and blood and then drops him, then jump right on him just prior to Smoger frenching him like a drunken prom queen.
Or…..JR could come out clubbing, setting himself up for say an 8 rd fight….and he goes right after the smaller man and bust him up and stops him.

I see a rematch being fought decidedly different. I see a smarter Chavez using the jab, and actually throwing rather than thinking while inside. I see a smarter Martinez keeping that R hand defended against. I see him tying up on the inside more than trying to trade. I see a better and closer overall fight. Not that the first one was great, because it was.
Martinez showed the world he is the absolute best MW in the world, and Chavez showed he aint the complete hypejob his haterz were trying to label him as.
No damage done for either of these guys in this fight. JR very well may move up several orgs rankings because of it. And Martinez, well, we all know his ranking remains the same. The very beatable, but by far #1 MW in the world

Posted September 18, 2012 12:15 pm 


skinnysteve

“maravilla” will never agree to a rematch because he will never fight again

Posted September 18, 2012 11:59 am 


Tijuana

Excellent comment Dan D, Chavez 12 round is being over-hyped. Yes, it was fun and good for the sport but that doesn’t mean he deserves a rematch. If in a football game the score is 55-0 and the losing team scores a nice TD to end up 55-7. Who wants a rematch?

Posted September 18, 2012 11:54 am 


drx

make chavez jr vs golovkin/Pirog!

Posted September 18, 2012 11:43 am 


srminimo

The problem for Chavez is he has nowhere else to go. He was VERY lucky he basically made a return fight viable the last round, but the 37 year old undersized Martinez was supposed to be his best chance for a victory against a legitimate A fighter at 160, and we all saw how that turned out. Big, mobile, hard punching middleweights like Pirog, Golov, and even guys like Quillin will probably tee off on him, 168ers and beyond will probably hurt him bad, and he can’t really go back to fighting B level guys. So wether Chávez wants to or not, an older Martinez coming off injuries still might be his best chance at redemption.

Posted September 18, 2012 11:39 am 


Joseph Herron

Thank you for the kind words, Hidalgo. My articles are meant to incite discussion and not to impose my personal theories on fight fans, like so many other writers on many different boxing sites.

I think you have a lot of valid points just like many of the ESB faithful…keep voicing your opinions. The voice of the fight fan is more impactful than most people realize…many promoters and fighters read everyones’ comments on ESB…keep it up!!

Posted September 18, 2012 10:59 am 


RapidOne

Personally I don’t want to see this fight again cause Sergio has his number just like Marquez has Pacquiaos the fight will end with same result

Posted September 18, 2012 10:48 am 


Sergio Martinez

11.5 rounds to 0.5 rounds. Who is the better boxer? The only thing he proved that night is that he cant box. Boxing is about scoring points, you cant score points if you dont punch. I punched……a lot!

Posted September 18, 2012 10:26 am 


prof konje

Both Arum and DiBella are parasites. Both want these two boxers to brutalize each other for money in their pockets. Chavez Jr’s career. could be ruined by a rematch and that’s too bad because he’s very young. I’m not a Chavez fan but I still do not want to see anyone take such a beating. Arum and DiBella will do anything and sacrifice anyone for the almighty dollar. Boxing fans should not fall for the PPV this time. Think about it.

Posted September 18, 2012 10:25 am 


Its Me, Ernie

Yet he should have gave you a reach-around also…

Posted September 18, 2012 10:22 am 


Hidalgo

Even with full recovery, Martinez’s injured knee will limit his mobility in future fights.

Posted September 18, 2012 10:14 am 


Eddie

Boxing really has a lot of dumb fans. The forums are proof of that. Only in boxing can a guy win 1 minute of a 12 round fight and claim some sort of victory. It’s ridiculous.

Posted September 18, 2012 9:59 am 


Curtley

He broke his hand by landing on Jr’s head and hurt his knee by falling over I will give you the cut and the one knock down but thats about it. I respect the fact that as a Mexican you route for your own but this fight was really a mismatch with a brilliant Light Middle pasting a good to average CW, the only reason for a rematch is cash as Jr stands no chance unless he can land one shot and I feel Martinez could ruin him. Jr should take on either Geale or Golovkin as if he moves up to SM he will be shark food, shudder to think what Froch or Kessler would do to him as for Ward heaven forbid.

Posted September 18, 2012 8:51 am 


SAM

No rematch !!!! Mayweather vs Martinez or Canelo vs Martinez. CHAVEZ have dignity and go up to 168lb where you can box with men your size…

Posted September 18, 2012 8:40 am 


drx

If chavez jr are gonna keep on fighting in the middelweight div, let’s hope his next fight is against Golovkin

Posted September 18, 2012 8:39 am 


drx

Martinez will be out a while if he has torn he’s knee ligament. To bad in his age with serious injuryes like that. Wish he was 7 years younger, he would have been the best pound for pound. He starting to slow down little by little in each fight sad. But still incredible for 37 year old.

Posted September 18, 2012 8:38 am 


Mbuyiseli

Bob “The Snake Arum wants another re-run. Guess on December 8th we are getting another one from TopWank promotions the 3rd re-run of Marques & Pacquaio. We get what we deserve as boxing fans, they know some idiots will pay for this freak show again. bob Arum hurry and die you greedy bastard. I hope Rigo and Lara leave their promo companies.

Posted September 18, 2012 8:02 am 


Brockton Blockbuster

No rematch. And this comes from a hardcore Chavez Jr. fan. I actually predicted that Jr. would stop Martinez. Instead, Martinez completely dominated Jr. It was one of the most brutally dominant and one-sided performances I have ever seen. Jr. simply didn’t do enough to deserve a rematch. I was surprised when I found out that Jr. landed more than 150 punches, I felt like he landed less than 100 punches. Jr. is still one of my fav. fighters because I like his relentless style of boxing but overall he’s not on the level of Maravilla. My dream fights right now are: Martinez/Pacquiao & Chavez Jr/Canelo.

Posted September 18, 2012 7:44 am 


WTF?

If it wasn’t for that Bernard Hopkins type Chest shove by Chicken Jr., Martinez wouldn’t have fallen and wouldn’t have torn the ligaments in his knee…. if there’s a rematch Martinez will once again make Cheating Chicken Jr..suffer badly… Viva Argentina!!

Posted September 18, 2012 7:39 am 


WTF?

Even after Cartel Death Threats, Criminials Vandalizing his Home, a 20+ weight disadvantage, a Broken Hand Martinez still went out there and gave Chicken Jr. the worst beating of his Bogus Career in front of Chicken Jr’s befuddled Groupie crowd……. Chavez Sr. looked like he was having a seizure…

Posted September 18, 2012 7:37 am 


WTF?

This Hyped Turkey was exposed as nothing more then the typical head first Plodder with Zero Boxing Skills.. Martinez beat him badly for 11 1/2 rounds.. one handed, and the 180+lb Chicken Jr. after hurting the smaller Tired Martinez with over 1 minute left in the Round couldn’t take him out.. Instead a Hobbled Martinez gets up and continues to Box the Plodding Neanderthals Ears off for the rest of that Round.. ROFLMAO.. it was a humiliating night for Chicken Jr… Hopefuly they make the rematch because the World would love nothing more then to see this hyped up Bum get beaten again for 12 rounds… Maybe then Chicken Jr. will grow a set of Balls and move to fight guys his size like Cruiserweight Francisco Palacios or Walzik…. Now they want to blame Roach for Chicken Jr’s dismal showing???

Posted September 18, 2012 7:33 am 


john

Martinez was tired, JCC threw everything he had in desperation, Martinez-whether you saw or not ended that round firing back and almost KO’d JCC…………please review the last round carefully, not as JCC jr. fan. The rematch would be a waste of time and money.

Posted September 18, 2012 7:12 am 


CurlyQ.Howard

Tell a big enough lie often enough, and people will believe it. In this case I have to wonder if JC Chavez Jr. is one of those people.

Posted September 18, 2012 7:12 am 


Chicago guy

!2 round indicates that JCCjr. can knock Martinez out but i don’t understand why JCCjr. didn’t do it at least in the last three rounds. Roach instructed him to do it but JCCjr. didn’t listen. If the rematch does happen i think JCCjr. will loss again unless he mastered to cutoff Martinez movement of running away.

Posted September 18, 2012 7:04 am 


Cee

Sergio Martinez suffers broken hand and torn ligaments in win over Chavez Jr and has to have major surgery on knee.

Posted September 18, 2012 6:51 am 


Dan D

Chavez fans amaze me, they really do. This is not a close comparison to Bute v Andrade. The knock down at the end of that fight was in the final seconds, Bute WAS practically unconscious whereas Martinez rose to his feet, a little worse for wear but then he proceeded to start whacking Chavez again! The guy outweighs a one handed Sergio by some 20lbs and he still couldnt beat him. People say about Jr landing flush next time around but they forget that he did that in this fight, on a few occasions, and Martinez took it, moved and fired back. The best fighter clearly won. People are not keen on a Haye v Klitschko rematch despite the fact that Haye caught him in the third (his only moment in the fight) and I dont see the difference. Shall we put Hatton back in with Mayweather because Hatton wobbled him in the first? Perhaps Mosley deserves another shot because of his 2nd round exploits? Chavez vs Abraham at 168 would be interesting but I don’t give him much of a shot against anyone else of note at SMW. Apart from a move up, what options does he have? Keep dehydrating himself to death to make 160?

Posted September 18, 2012 6:50 am 


righthook

Jr had plenty of time to get the job done after the knockdown and couldn’t do it. No rematch necessary.

Posted September 18, 2012 6:30 am 


Ray Ray

Rematch….no, Chavez got a lesson from a guy with 1 hand. The rematch would b the same but without the 12th knockdown 4 Chavez they bot have plenty of other options I’d rather c. e.g Martinez vs Geale 4 everything, how often do we c that these days. Also Chavez in the stacked super middle. Ward, Kessler, Pavlic, Froch bring that on…

Posted September 18, 2012 6:02 am 


Adrian

If the rematch happens and Chavez try to throw more punches early on he will end up with the same result as Andrade vs bute the second fight… No matter what Chavez does
He has no chance against faster Martinez it all depend what Martinez does … So what that Martinez was put down on the 12 round? He got put down by a lot of guys before and he ended up wining ( pavlik, wiliams,maclinetc) and no one asked for pavlik rematch and the fight was much closer than with Chavez !
Mayweather was almost ko’ed by Mosley in the second round but no one asked about the rematch??!!
The best fight for Martinez would be against mayweather but I dong think mayweather will ever accept to fight him me personally I like to see him fight golovkin .

Posted September 18, 2012 5:40 am 


nemo

Roach has developed from the beiginning a good working but not very elegant plan for Jr’s career as a pro: dominating by outweighing. That’s all. Bein the son of a famous boxer isn’t easy. If Jr can see boxing as his meal ticket and piss on the rest, it’s an ok-plan, not fascinating, but ok.

Posted September 18, 2012 3:45 am 


Sergio Martinez

El papa de jr tiene cara de plastico

Posted September 18, 2012 2:20 am 


Sergio Martinez

Jr vale berga

Posted September 18, 2012 2:17 am 


Joseph Herron

Marquis, your comments are subjective and speculative…my article isn’t. I merely pose questions for the reader and I don’t take a hard position either way. It’s called journalism. The entire scenario is speculative because no one knows what’s going to happen in the great sport of boxing. I know everyone tries to act like they’re some kind of soothsayer when it comes to the sweet science, but no one knows…if they did, there would be no reason to watch. Who knows…maybe Chavez grows from his experience and doesn’t give Maravilla as much respect early in the rematch and knocks Sergio out. Who knows. That’s ultimately why they fight the fights!!

I can’t wait to speak with Kevin Rooney Jr. from DiBella Entertainment about Sergio’s condition and Macklin’s next opponent. He will be my 4th guest of the evening on “The Pugilist KOrner” tomorrow night…showtime starts at 9PM EST – 11PMEST!!

Posted September 18, 2012 2:17 am 


te tumbo

the rematch will happen if it’s deemed to be the most profitable. meanwhile, Jr’s got the standard lumps and bumps while Martinez according to all accounts is Hurtin, e.g., broken hand, stapled head, injured knee. Chavez Jr. put a pretty severe dent in the 37-year-old Sergio’s gas tank.

Posted September 18, 2012 2:11 am 


PigMan

Yes , rematch. This time Jr. learns how to cut off the ring.

Posted September 18, 2012 2:10 am 


Marquis of Queensdingleberry

totally subjective and speculative. one could argue with merit either way. will the fans fork over the money to see? i think there are better fights for the public. Martinez has a short shelf life, chavez might do better to start to train seriously and move up, but chances are he couldn’t hold his own in the higher divisions. too slow, too vulnerable. stay tuned.

Posted September 18, 2012 2:05 am 


Blazin Bobby Linebaugh

Well written article

Posted September 18, 2012 1:45 am 



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