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Fight Aficionado

Luke, Gwen Adair and Marty Denkin had it 98-92, 97-93, respectively. Both should be banned or forced to resign like CJ Ross. If they weren’t flat out bribed they knew it was a Top Rank card, Top Rank fighter Chavez Jr, and if they fix the fight they’ll get more assignments.

Posted October 2, 2013 4:41 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Apparently Vera’s time will come again after all. ESPN is reporting Top Rank and Banner Promotions are already negotiating a rematch to happen in December in Texas. This bucks what Jr said in a story at ESB a couple days ago but if true it’s good news.

Posted October 2, 2013 4:37 pm 


Ray (the man) Flores

Jr. lost this fight. Yah, he landed some heavy looking shots, but Vera out worked him and out scored him. Vera was ripped off. I like Jr. too but he just plain lost this fight.

Posted October 1, 2013 1:37 pm 


Jimmy

I had this fight 3-3 after 6. I could have given Chavez Jr 4 rounds. Vera looks good, but isn’t landing that many punches. Watching the repeat on HBO as we speak. The end of the 7th was a good finish. Tough round to score. Easily could have gone either way because neither did anything to distinguish one another. Vera was definitely rocked. Round 8 was a funny round. Vera’s punches weren’t doing much, but when Jr connected, Vera would back up and stop punching. Serious headbutt in round 9. Round 9 to easy to Vera. Could be a tie fight or a 1 round lead to Chavez. Very close fight. Round 10 the cleaner punches were landed by Chavez. Could be a tie or a win by Chavez by the slightest of margins.

Posted October 1, 2013 1:43 am 


Hidalgo

Public Enemy why do you hate Mexicans so much?

Posted September 30, 2013 11:00 pm 


Hidalgo

I meant to say, “Then Adonis promptly knocked Dawson out.”

Posted September 30, 2013 10:58 pm 


Hidalgo

“Fire ward he stinks as a boxing announcer”

Yep. Very smelly. Like when he was saying that Stevenson couldn’t land any body shots against Dawson because of Dawson’s great legs–meaning his footwork. Then Adonis promptly knocked Cloud out. Because he couldn’t hit his body, I guess. LOL!

Posted September 30, 2013 10:57 pm 


Hidalgo

“Both are whiners and cry babies. Senior was a notorious whiner.”

Not to mention that Ref Moret never called Jr. using his right elbow and forearm to push Veras head back (he’d push it against Vera’s throat) so he could hit it. Chavez did that throughout the fight. Vera started doing it back to him in the later rounds.

Jr. had no answer for Brian Vera. Too bad the judges did.

Posted September 30, 2013 10:54 pm 


Luke

Gewn Adair = CJ Ross

Posted September 30, 2013 6:36 pm 


Titopa

Jkk – yeah, he’s not all that great. The ONLY thing I DO like about him is that he’s very unbiased, but he’s commentating is awful. Malignaiggi is WAY better.

Posted September 30, 2013 5:19 pm 


Jkk

Fire ward he stinks as a boxing announcer

Posted September 30, 2013 5:11 pm 


moonshineman

Yes, It will. He fought great against Chavez Jr.

Posted September 30, 2013 5:03 pm 


Bulawayo2

What a dreadful decision, Vera threw twice as many punches than Chavez jnr had more connects and still loses!!!
Had to laugh listening to Ward saying jnr is a lot like his old man, the only similarity between those two is they both have the same name and like a party.
Chavez snr was an all action fighter, not many rests fighting this guy. With jnr there’s very little action and loads of resting time.
Was Ward doing a little sly promotion for a fight down the line against jnr.
The fix is in or should that be “The fix was in “

Posted September 30, 2013 4:27 pm 


147pounder

Oscar de la hoya quit ur promoter job and go by some lingerie …u look kinda sexy wearimg fishnets …lol u ffkkiinn crosdresser

Posted September 30, 2013 4:06 pm 


malachi

n don’t forget chavez vs sweepea the biggest robbery ever..yuuup!

Posted September 30, 2013 2:59 pm 


Eugthehuge

If JC Jr. has any respect left for himself and for the sport, he will give Vera a rematch. And seeing how he can’t seem to be able to bring himself together, I would say Vera will defeat him (again).

Posted September 30, 2013 2:49 pm 


Public Enemy

Joe Kidd – Lets not forget Collazo vs Berto, Collazo vs Hatton, Delahoya vs Sturm, Delahoya vs Quartey, Campillo vs Trout, etc etc etc..

Posted September 30, 2013 2:31 pm 


JoeKidd

Broner & Ponce Deleon. Rios-Abril. Burns-Beltran. Now Chavez-Vera. Promoters protecting their golden hen. When will it end? Stop buying the PPV.

Posted September 30, 2013 2:28 pm 


Whatever

Vera exposed this taxi cab driver…

Posted September 30, 2013 2:11 pm 


KILLA

Money over Boxing fans..

Posted September 30, 2013 1:58 pm 


KILLA

The fkn crooked Judges made $$100.000 in one fight while the average American makes $$34.000 a year, what makes you think they care about boxing fans..they got PAY..

Posted September 30, 2013 1:57 pm 


KILLA

Boxing is not longer a real sport is now for entertainment purpose only. Wake up and smell the BS…..Golden boy – Top Rank equal crooked busters making $$$ of suckers paying for PPV..Lol..

Posted September 30, 2013 1:53 pm 


TJ

THANKS JOSEPH

Good to see you care enough to communicate with the fans.

Any chance you can raise this topic on one of your next shows or if you get the chance to interview someone from the commissions, a top promoter or TV boss and let them know the fans really are annoyed by bad decisions?

The sad thing is that fighters losing in a decent effort generally get another chance these days – look at RIOS (altho’ he lucked out vs ABRIL), who now faces PACQUIAO.

Chavez would have had more sympathy if he promised a rematch or just keep his mouth shut.

Posted September 30, 2013 1:46 pm 


Joseph Herron

TJ,

The state athletic commissions really need to start doing a better job of creating a system of quality control for their network of judges.

The two judges who botched the Chavez/Vera decision should have been put into retirement decades ago.

If the State athletic commissions won’t develop some kind of competence check, then yes…the journalists and the fans will have to sound the sirens loud and clear.

Boxing is the greatest sport in the world, and the only sport in existence in which the fans are truly the bosses.

Posted September 30, 2013 1:29 pm 


Titopa

Remember, you’re a boxing fan FIRST and FOREMOST!! Doesn’t matter who you prefer to see win or who you want to see lose, you must judge a fight how you SEE IT, NOT how you want it to go. Chavez LOST, period.

Posted September 30, 2013 12:55 pm 


SREDMOND

Judges in boxing act like Dr.s after botching an operation they are MORE concerned with the implications of malpractice ie lawsuit/fallout than they are dealing with their actual mistakes and owning them…Thats why the level of accountability and oversight has to be greater and when there there a STARK divergence from conventional thinking etc then someone needs to answer for it or be appropriately sanctioned (especially when a pattern emerges)….

Posted September 30, 2013 12:38 pm 


Titopa

Robbery, I scored it 96-94 for Vera. Chavez landed some good shots, but he threw ONE punch at a time, there was one round where he didn’t even land a single blow, all while Vera punched, punched and punched some more…to the head AND body, the rounds Chavez won were won by him simply landing 1 or 2 big shots, that’s it. Poor Vera. I feel for him.

Posted September 30, 2013 12:00 pm 


beast

Horrible decision, that’s what happens when you are the name and have the organization and promoter in your camp. Corruption at it’s best or in the case of Vera, it’s worst. Chavez’s face surely was not the faceof a winner a whinner maybe.

Posted September 30, 2013 11:48 am 


TomHornIV

This ripoff was absolutely sickening!

Posted September 30, 2013 11:09 am 


Anonymous

it’s time for a decision for a panel to oversee and overrule (by watching fight on screen) any biased or inept scoring by the judges…it’s a disgrace for any fighter to accept a gift decision and come away thinkling they really deserved it. that’s why instant replay and challenges are used in some sports now, becuase mistakes can be made, but boxing is so close up and only two people involved, that mistakes are almost impossible to make, only biased or predestined
decisions can be the problem

Posted September 30, 2013 11:04 am 


Public Enemy

What really blows my mind is how many Mexican Americans support Chavez Cheato Jr. over underdog Mexican American Vera??? Shows how little self esteem they have for themselves idolizing this idiot over one of their own..

Posted September 30, 2013 10:08 am 


Public Enemy

Smokey = te tumbo

Posted September 30, 2013 9:55 am 


Public Enemy

Smokey – you Smokin that good sht Chavez Cheato Jr. has been Smokin??? LOL even the originally Pro Chavez Jr. Crowd was booing him at the end of that fight.. Vera won and 99% of Boxing Fans know this..

Posted September 30, 2013 9:53 am 


Jake Lead Rights

Smokeys been smoking crack Foolios face proves he lost. Brian took Foolios power punches and soldiered through the rounds. You can’t win a round just because you landed two power shots. A round is a full 3 minutes Brian out punched out scored Foolio through out the fight. It’s ok to be a proud Mexican as I am but I’m also a Boxing fan and I would do more justice to my heritage by picking the correct winner than to simply give the fight to a man with a name. Foolios name means nothing when he’s in the ring. Brian has soldiered through his career by taking on any man that dares to get in the ring with him. Unlike Foolios nurtured career. Be proud of your heritage but be smart and do the right thing.

Posted September 30, 2013 9:50 am 


Smokey

Chavez Jr. clearly won this fight. No doubt. He is the present and the future in boxing. Viva Mexico, cabrones!!!!!!!

Posted September 30, 2013 9:40 am 


Happyboy

I will never watch a Chavez jnr fight!

Posted September 30, 2013 8:56 am 


talbodin

8 rouds to two ,for vera. that is being generous to chavez jr.

Posted September 30, 2013 8:53 am 


EZ E

Can anyone tell me WHY I’m receiving notices that I’m duplicating my comments when the aren’t being posted? Is anyone else experiencing similar problems posting their comments?/ Just asking. Thanks!

Posted September 30, 2013 8:19 am 


Anonymous

EVERY OTHER BIG FIGHT IN BOXING TODAY, ALL WE TALK ABOUT IS WEIGHT PEDS BAD JUDGES I WONDER WHY.

Posted September 30, 2013 7:34 am 


TJ

JOSEPH HERRON
You seem like a reasonable journalist and take the time out for discourse with us fight fans. I have a serious question that I would like you to take some time out to answer.

I have heard that Showtime and HBO and other TV stations are telling people they are listening to the fans, as well as the cash registers in negotiaing new contracts, TV deals and which fighters get on their rosters and so on and so on. Most recently, in the case of Floyd Mayweather’s USD 200M deal and the fighters they are asking him to face – ie CANELO….

Am I right in my thinking that if this is indeed correct that these same Moguls/ corporations wil review the displeasure of the fans to see in recent weeks atrocious judging in World Title and major fights in the case of BURNS vs BELTRAN, MAYWEATHER vs CANELO ALVAREZ and now CHAVEZ JR vs VERA to name a few…. This is not the first time that Jr.. has been involved in debatable decisions : VADEN I and RUBIO…

What sway if any do the fight scribes and journos have in letting the people that matter know of fan displeasure and in the case of these poor judges what actions can be and are being taken against them?

We have RANKINGS for all boxing divisions, is it not time to RANK and RATE all our world title officials and identify the truly horrible judges and get them back to school or off the bus for good???

I remember back in the days when Ring Magazine, KO magazine and the likes would rate fights on their SIGNIFICANCE, MATCH UP, ENTERTAINMENT and OUTCOME in their monthly reports from aross the globe. Is it not time to add a further column in which we rate the judges?

Someone said rightly, did LARA get a shot when he was robbed by PUNISHER?

CHEERS and please keep up the discussions.

Posted September 30, 2013 6:17 am 


Joseph Herron

I’m 100% sure of it, Curly.

Boxing isn’t the unfeeling, corrupt sport that everyone on this comment board believes.

The CSAC just screwed up in assigning two judges who should have been put out to pasture a long time ago.

HBO will have Bryan back on the air in 2014…you can count on it.

Food for thought, guys…if you are a judge and want to fix a fight, would you

A) score the fight in a wide margin to draw a much scrutiny to your scorecard as heavenly possible?

Or B) score one fighter winning by a slight margin to make it more plausible?

…Just saying

Posted September 30, 2013 5:23 am 


EZ E

My nephew once got caught stealing a used $40 car battery in a parking lot. There was ONE witness. He was a first FIRST OFFENDER and received 6 months jail time but HE LEARNED HIS LESSON. These 3 judges finished STEALING Vera’s decision and a potential $MILLION for his next fight in front of MILLIONS WITNESSES and… TWO of the three judges AREN’T first time offenders, they’ve done this before!! Don’t they deserve to be TAUGHT THEIR LESSONS TOO for blatantly robbing Vera??!! Fired? Suspended? Probation?? Oh well… just a thought. Peace amigos!!

Posted September 30, 2013 5:21 am 


Joseph Herron

Lara is currently the interim WBA Junior Mid Champion…he should have received the opportunity to fight Canelo Alvarez last year.

And I don’t see how explaining the subjectivity of the scoring process is defending Bob Arum?

Are you guys trying to insinuate that Bob Arum directly had something to do with the scoring on Saturday night?

Posted September 30, 2013 4:57 am 


pie chucker

heartbroken for vera, such a CLEAR victory. but as such the outcry will be heard for a while, and then just like the outrageous pac-bradley robbery, we will all just move on and the corrupt pigs will pull another swindle in a few months time. chavez jr is a joke. take ya millions and retire you clown

Posted September 30, 2013 4:55 am 


Mbuyiseli

Joseph is back defending Bob “The Snake” Arum. Since the Williams loss has Lara got a title shot? Just asking.

Posted September 30, 2013 4:50 am 


Mbuyiseli

I’m more pissed that most of us boxing fanatics act surprised of this outcome. This is the snake Arum we are talking about. Let me get this straight 2nd best boxer behind Floyd can’t get a fight on HBO. But a bum like Chavez can. Screw the weight while you at it. Carl Froch won 5 rounds against Ward, Rios beats Abril, Wlliams beats Lara, Bradley beats Manny. We are the joke people, not the fat cats at TR & HBO head offices. Never will watch a Chavez fight. Why should I take his fights serious when he doesn’t take his career serious?

Posted September 30, 2013 4:44 am 


Happyboy

Average J0E…

Posted September 30, 2013 4:32 am 


Fight Aficionado

“I haven’t seen the fight and not sure I care to see it.
Is it 1) Canelo-Trout robbery where Canelo most likely won the fight but some Trout fans complained…
or 2) Pacman vs Bradley, flat out robbery?” – RBasset, somewhere in the middle of those two. Vera won a clearcut decision, 7-5 on rounds according to most objective people. It’s interesting you point out the disparity in what people call “robberies.” Some guys cry wolf and we can’t take them seriously. The cases you note are good examples.

Posted September 30, 2013 3:52 am 


SRACEMOND

Someone shut Joey Boy Herron up…

Posted September 30, 2013 3:31 am 


elmatador

Hope vera does get another big payday he deseves it maybe kid chocolate at 160 or canelo at 160. As for chavez never watching one his fights ever again wasn’t going to watch this one but I did anyway glad i did had the best time watching chaves get his a*s kicked

Posted September 30, 2013 1:44 am 


Dionysus

Do you think they check the judges or common sense? Let me point something out.. you keep saying incompetence and I’m going to point out incompetence…. incompetence is 96-94 for Chavez. Corrupt on the other hand, is 98-92 and 97-93. Because there realistically should not have been A card that had Chavez winning the fight.

Posted September 30, 2013 1:36 am 


Joseph Herron

It was supposed to be assumed that the reason for the outcry was because Vera deserved the victory.

I thought he won the fight decisively, just as most did.

Posted September 30, 2013 1:30 am 


Dionysus

Did I misread?

Posted September 30, 2013 1:20 am 


Dionysus

Your words> “Vera, because of the public sentiment, will get another big payday and probably land a title shot with the winner of Golovkin/Stevens next year. That’s how powerful public sentiment is in boxing.”

Posted September 30, 2013 1:20 am 


Dionysus

If i misunderstand what you are saying, my apologies. You post seemed to say because the public, Vera will get this and land that. As opposed to Vera no doubt deserves this and that. Like the public outcry will land him this big payday instead of what really will (his actually winnning the fight). That’s the way I read that. Again, if i have misunderstood, I’m sorry for that.

Posted September 30, 2013 1:18 am 


Joseph Herron

Dionysus,

Of course pretty much everyone feels that Bryan Vera earned the victory and they’ve stated that in abundance.

That’s the point of my previous post, dude.

Damn.

Of course Bryan will get another opportunity because he deserved it…how did you come up with something else from what I just posted?

That’s a given.

But the influence of the fans is huge in the sport of boxing…much bigger than in any other sport.

Posted September 30, 2013 1:10 am 


Dionysus

Herron, C’mon man, you’re losing my respect. Stop blaming fans and covering stink that everyone is very much aware of. Nobody is buying it. He’ll get another big payday because HE EARNED IT, not because public sentiment as you stated. He’ll get another big Payday because he WON.

Posted September 30, 2013 1:05 am 


KO KIDD

Havent had a chance to see the fight yet as its sitting in my DVR til I get home from work in 8 hrs. Saw the stats and got summaries from my dad and brother who thought Vera won. I think I’m going to try and watch see how this got scored and try to make sense out of how the judges could have reached this verdict.

I saw Vera was busier and landed about 40 or so more but was told that Chavez’s shots had more power and more effect and that also in 6 or 7 Vera was winning all the way but took a hard shot that wobbled him a little. Is it possible Chavez had a few big connects that swayed Vera rounds awaw?

Havent seen it yet and am not justifying a Chavez robbery but Im curious to see how it played out and want to see how this decision got reached.

Posted September 30, 2013 12:58 am 


srminimo

Well written article, btw. In boxing, as in life, it’s who you know that counts. Or who’s your daddy…

Posted September 30, 2013 12:45 am 


srminimo

nameless- What a class act you are, sir.

Posted September 30, 2013 12:44 am 


Dionysus

Viktor, that’s about as true of a statement as it can get bro. I think watching boxing to me is like an escape in hopes that the right call will be made. Because everyone gets screwed over once in a while in real life so we as boxing fans turn to a boxing match and hope we can visually see a fight and if it gos to the cards the judges will do what is expected and not screw the hard worker that deserved the nod.

Posted September 30, 2013 12:43 am 


victor

makes you think about the average joe who always get screwed over in life. boxing aint fair but we want it to be cause life aint fair and the normal man thinks to himself how they can pull this off in front of so man people on live t.v.

Judges are the scumbags with no heart.

Posted September 30, 2013 12:35 am 


Dionysus

Golovkin would eat Chavez, no doubt about it. He’s much to slow and Vera’s shots were buzzing Chavez a little. Golovkin smacks alot harder than Vera with alot more accuracy. I don’t see anyone in the weight class holding in there to a decision against GGG.

Posted September 30, 2013 12:31 am 


nameless

This mother foker, Ernie, has to be the most annoying poster EVER…I CAN’T THINK OF A MORE ANNOYING ONE. Hidalgo is a far second, that’s how BAD this mother focker “ it’s me, Ernie, is.

Posted September 30, 2013 12:27 am 


rbasset

I saw on Youtube his Martinez fight a few times. He would get destroyed by anyone in the Super Six. I think GGG would KO him. He’s heavy handed but has no pop and telegraphs some of them.

Posted September 30, 2013 12:25 am 


juggernaut

A struggling boxer who finally had his chance to prove his legitamacy did so in a convincing way but the corruption robbed him out of his success. It’s a shame.

Posted September 30, 2013 12:13 am 


Dionysus

He’s not a bad fighter. Chavez has one hell of a punch. He was just very lethargic, not working and throwing a hard shot here and there. Vera was pressing the action and his output was double or triple that of Chavez jr. you can see pics of the two after the fight and their faces tell the whole story. Vera’s face was fine for the most part and Chavez was pretty dinged up.

Posted September 30, 2013 12:11 am 


rbasset

Thanks for the quick response. I don’t think the Jr is a horrible boxer. He’s average. I can’t remember ever seeing someone put on so much weight after a weigh in. There’s got to be 20lb+ there.

Posted September 29, 2013 11:53 pm 


Dionysus

8 rounds in all honestly would be my real number though.

Posted September 29, 2013 11:52 pm 


Dionysus

I’d give Vera no less than 7 rounds, conservatively!

Posted September 29, 2013 11:50 pm 


Dionysus

Bassett, it’s the WORST robbery I have ever seen in the sport of boxing!!!

Posted September 29, 2013 11:49 pm 


rbasset

I haven’t seen the fight and not sure I care to see it.
Is it 1) Canelo-Trout robbery where Canelo most likely won the fight but some Trout fans complained…
or 2) Pacman vs Bradley, flat out robbery?

Posted September 29, 2013 11:48 pm 


Dionysus

Jim, That’s a question i ponder even outside of boxing. The title of this article is what is most upsetting. Vera did enough, but a lackluster, unconditioned, undedicated, coat tail rider gets an unearned win. This may have been Vera’s only chance (one in which he took very seriously and performed like he did as well) to advance to the top level. As, i said it other posts, I would totally agree with the cards and scoring if they said that had the wrong person as the winner and Vera actually won win those card counts.

Posted September 29, 2013 11:45 pm 


PEEJ

It would be garbage if he doesn’t get a rematch but Vera has had more chances than a lot of fighters out there

Posted September 29, 2013 11:44 pm 


Fair

Vera should sue. Take them in court.

Posted September 29, 2013 11:44 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Sad but true. I see Vera slurs his words quite a bit now, may be time for him to move on. A real warrior and ALWAYS in a good fight…

Posted September 29, 2013 11:30 pm 


Jim Rich

And vera looks clean with no swelling, chavez jr looks like someone beat him in the face with baseball bat and he’s the winner, lol. Is there any justice in the world?

Posted September 29, 2013 10:57 pm 


Jim Rich

98-92 for chavez jr, how do you come up with a card like that, it’s impossible unless your incompetent or bought off. I would file an official protest against at least that one judge if not also the 97-93. Get it on the record, let people know the names of these incompetent judges. Problems is no one really seems to care, that’s the problem.

Posted September 29, 2013 10:54 pm 



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