It’s Me, Ernie
We suspect there was some felatio involved…Posted October 6, 2013 11:37 am
You never trained a parakeet Idiot ErniePosted October 6, 2013 4:19 am
It’s Me, Ernie
How did all those champs you trained Turd get good fights?…Posted October 4, 2013 9:06 pm
…if you can get the right fights, the time frame can be short. I wonder how many potential greats went completely undiscovered. I’m sure the obscure small local fight results blurb in newspapers all over the world have listed several undiscovered greats that fell through the cracks over the years.Posted October 4, 2013 1:46 pm
Tark, you are exactly right.Posted October 4, 2013 1:40 pm
Floyd Mayweather Sr was very good at this too… He would get back up fights for Floyd in case his opponents would pull out. Floyd was champ in no time and that’s a huge advantage.
Where Tyson fell off the rails — Floyd kept his nose to the grindstone.Posted October 4, 2013 1:28 pm
Fightfan says.. “It takes 5 years to acquire the skills, another five to adjust and make a name. Then may be you could get a high profile fight.”
Cus D’Amato certainly didn’t believe that… He made Patterson and Tyson World Heavyweight Champions by ages 21 and 20 respectively.
The most difficult part of Boxing is matchmaking… You can have all the talent in the world… great trainers… and work your ass off… If you can’t get a lot of fights, and the RIGHT fights, you’re dead in the water.Posted October 4, 2013 1:24 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Well said…Posted October 4, 2013 12:43 pm
It takes 5 years to acquire the skills, another five to adjust and make a name and then may be you could get a high profile fight. in the end you might have something to show for your ruined health, but that’s a big gamble. Whether you make money or not, every boxer loses your health and his mind to a different degree. I can’t blame those who consider boxing a high risk job and choose other ways to get by.Posted October 4, 2013 12:15 pm
It’s not that they can’t, they just don’t want to go through the ordeal of being a prize fighter.Posted October 4, 2013 12:10 pm
thanks, Tex.. and Tark, that’s exactly what I am saying…Posted October 3, 2013 6:24 pm
al bundy, well said.Posted October 3, 2013 4:48 pm
I remember Larry Holmes trying to get a title shot in 1977-78… And Ali’s management going after Leon Spinks… Spinks had 6 wins.
Spinks was stripped of the title for fighting Ali instead of the number one contender.. Holmes was the real Heavyweight Champion when Ali supposedly “won” his 3rd world title.
Ali eventually fought Holmes … when the fight did nothing for Larry.Posted October 3, 2013 4:29 pm
About most of the Americans… please do not blame us, if we are not following the guys from out of US. If they do not advertise here or do not show up or have nothing to do with US, it is hard to be attached to them or feel the hype. About true American boxing fans…. most of us appreciate the Klichko Brothers. About Klits legacy… these guys fight everybody: more you are worth it or dangerous, more chances you have to fight one of them. Remember what was before them? Fights would not happen due to one belt holder would not fight the other or Don King, or other crap… So, these guys are constantly fighting the best runners up. They are truly champions…Posted October 3, 2013 3:55 pm
go back a couple years, there was great anticipation for a povetkin-wlad fight. Povetkind has been a disappointment, but he has held on to this one belt. hey, he is not stepping in the ring to loose. if one uses povetkins past lack of accomplishments and the bones, wlad has a few as well. There will be talent in that ring hopefully, they bring the best out of each other on this evening. povetkin is still no fighter to be overlooked. He has been a successful fighter his whole life. Maybe it will be his night. A fool would bet against wlad. it is time for a real HW fight. this was again once a much anticipated fight and it can be a great fight.Posted October 3, 2013 2:44 pm
TomCribb, do you mean white American’ts?Posted October 3, 2013 12:41 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Who have they beat? Never even been in the ring with an ATG. Never had a career defining fight. Kings in an extremely weak era. btw, It has nothing at all to do with skin color, that’s just the nuthugger’s weak clean-up…Posted October 3, 2013 11:41 am
I’m not a great fan of Wlad Klitchko’s style, and he is certainly more cautious than Lewis. But you cant criticise either brother too much, they have dominated the division for 9 years now, which is impressive by the standards of any era.Posted October 3, 2013 11:31 am
De Lima I.
Some people are just anti-Klitschko thru and thru and are basically BEYOND being taken seriously!
White Aespecially Heavyweights. Most of the best White Heavies since Marciano have been from Europe, Britain or South Africa.merican’s havent produced any great fighters since the 50′s,Posted October 3, 2013 9:32 am
ehhPosted October 3, 2013 9:30 am
Americans are dumb asses brainwashed by Hollywood, academia, and the anti white media that white guys can’t fight.Posted October 3, 2013 9:02 am
Boring? They force you into their fight plan and make you pay later…Brilliant, not boring IMHO.Posted October 3, 2013 8:48 am
It’s Me, Ernie
The Klitschkos are boring because they often stink out the place. The geographical location of the fighter has no influence, boring is boring. Hell even Wlad admitted to it the last time he bored us on HBO. Now that the cash cow has moved to another network, HBO will try Wlad once more, probably to their chagrin…Posted October 3, 2013 8:01 am
Huckster, it is hard for me to even fictitiously see an upset but I guess it’s possible. I am still sticking with Wlad in a very one-sided 9.Posted October 3, 2013 7:13 am
Wow, in an effort to describe how bigoted Americans are, some sure sound fairly bigoted…but I digress. A true fight fan, regardless of nationality, understands the true greatness of Wlad and Vitali (they are my favs. at any rate). Also a true fight fan equally understand that there is some real talent in the HW ranks. But as fights became less accessible to the general public on TV, boxing in general and the HW division especially began to fade in popularity. It is like the movie quote “if you build it, they will come…” If you air it, they will watch. The other divisions are aired more frequently with a little more accessibility. That is why you have fans for all of these other boxers of different races and creeds. That is how Joe Calzaghe got some significant buzz from the more casual American fight fan later in his career. For me though, I love the sport and grew up around it. And I respect talent when I see it regardless of color.Posted October 3, 2013 7:09 am
will there be an upset? anyone betting on an upset?Posted October 3, 2013 6:56 am
“On the borders comment, that is not true. American fight fans respect Cotto, Marquez, Pacquiao, and Matthysse to name a few. In fact, the last HW that was unanimously admired was LL.”
Because none are white. The American public is bigoted and would never support a HW championship fight between two white men.Posted October 3, 2013 5:13 am
Farmboxer should be head of Vlad’s security.Posted October 3, 2013 2:57 am
Povetkin is a fighter, and if I am right, he will come to fight and not to run, as other boxers have done. That’s where he will be knocked down and I expect total destruction of Alexander. Reading the article and other posts and media, it feels like Povetkin has a chance. The fight will not go to the distance and I wish well to Alexander, but he will be fighting to the end, but he does not have anything to match Wlad.Posted October 3, 2013 1:38 am
I wonder if the Russian Mafia will be at the fight for Povetkin? I smell a rat, so much money to get the fight in Moscow smells…………….I suspect they will do anything to get a Povetkin win……………how I do not know, but we can only guess. Look out for some cheating, but I still exect Vlad to knock Povetkin out!!!!!!! The writer claiming that Vlad can only fight on the outside and does not have a variety of punches, but Povetkin has everything is not true. Povetkin could have done so much better as a pro, just don’t know what happened to him. Povetkin will need his friends in Moscow to help him win. What will they do? Poison food, water, tampered gloves, a sniper to shoot Vlad, poison gas in Vlad’s hotel room vents? Sounds absurd, but is it? We just saw Vera get robbed by Chavez’ judges, yet those judges were not punished. It’s time to get the criminals out of boxing. Whatever, I sure hope I am wrong…………..Posted October 3, 2013 12:49 am
Wilder isn’t going anywhere… He’ll be around for a while looking for fights with ranked heavyweights. Those fights won’t come easy.Posted October 2, 2013 11:28 pm
On the borders comment, that is not true. American fight fans respect Cotto, Marquez, Pacquiao, and Matthysse to name a few. In fact, the last HW that was unanimously admired was LL. The current disconnect for many Americans is mainly the current HW division because the top level fights are not held here very often anymore, and easily accessible network television focuses on other popular sports instead of boxing. It is a classic case of out of sight out of mind. At any rate, Vitali was on the fast track to love and admiration after the LL fight but began to shift his focus to Europe…which is perfectly fine, I will watch my current HW heros anywhere. But that is where we are at with the diminished status of the HW division and boxing in general in the states. But I don’t see a great deal of affinity here for the few relatively good HWs we do have like Chris Arreola who did as good as you can hope for against Vitali or the young Deontay Wilder…heck, Wilder is 6’7 and 29 and 0 with 29 KOs…not a bad start.Posted October 2, 2013 10:29 pm
chisora and haye dont deserve to be big. they have not achieved what the klits have.Posted October 2, 2013 8:47 pm
thats because americans are morons that dont realize that there is life outside of their borders.Posted October 2, 2013 8:46 pm
Anonymous, but Chisora and haye are not that popular in America either.Posted October 2, 2013 8:35 pm
The Russian promoters moved Heavan and Earth to bring the fight to Moscow, Russia.. The rest of it was trying to figure out a way to give Povetkin the best chance of lifting the Heavyweight Championship..
They were pretty resourceful in getting the fight.. Something tells me they didn’t take off their thinking caps once they secured the fight and venue.Posted October 2, 2013 5:20 pm
*would helpPosted October 2, 2013 5:15 pm
Klits can become big in America. All they need to do is have a few dozen kids out of wedlock, start beating up women, use profanity during interviews, get some gold teeth, waste money on flashy cars that will be worth nothing in a few years. Doing a few months in jail here and there wouldn’t help. And they should dumb down their interviews as well and start using ghetto slang. Then they have it made in America.Posted October 2, 2013 5:14 pm
14,000 isn’t much more than a typical Vegas arena. Wlad sells out 60,000 seat soccer stadiums in Germany. So Povetkin’s camp overbid to get the fight in Russia and is also leaving behind a boatload of cash at the gate. All so their Russian mafia hitmen can sniper Wlad right before he knocks out Povetkin. Or fix the judges and referee.Posted October 2, 2013 3:19 pm
TARK is right that people get bored if the fight is not an all out slug war.
Great points Decker.., Since the Klitschkos are not American icons, you don’t see endless commercials of their highlight KO’s in commercials every time a Klitschko fight is coming up…
When a Mayweather fight is coming up you see TV commercials of Mayweather and Canelo highlights. You see them knocking out a ton of opponents with dramatic music blasting. You think…”WOW…These guys are undefeated in 43 and 44 fights??? They look damned good. We ought to buy this and have a bunch of friends over.”
Ali, Frazier, Holmes, Foreman, Holyfield, and Tyson fights were hyped the same way in the 1960′s, 70′s, 80′s and 90′s . Flashes of their highlights are still shown as intros to sports programs…
Then you hear about the Klitschko Bros and think, “Aren’t these the same Klitschko Bros who were around in the 1990′s? What’s with the heavyweight division? Where are all the American heavyweights? Boxing is dying man.” …
Heavyweight Boxing has gone global — but that’s not the sense you get from listening to American TV pundits.Posted October 2, 2013 2:52 pm
TARK, I usually agree, sometimes not w/your posts.
“The idea that the Klitschko Bros are boring technical boxers is more of an American nationalistic and generational bias than a problem of racism.”
True however I think you’re underestimating the racial bias among *some*. There’s also the technological factor today compared to 30, 40+ years ago. There are just so many more entertainment options out there for the mass public now.
Fact is Ali, Foreman, Holmes were in some tough back & forth bouts as well as total one sided bore fests. But it’s those tough bouts – as you say where both fighters were getting smacked with tons of punches – that are shown on the boob tube endlessly to this day in the US.
That there were some close, exciting bouts back in the day does not imply that those 70s (or some other decade) HWs would be competitive in the current/recent era.Posted October 2, 2013 2:03 pm
The idea that the Klitschko Bros are boring technical boxers is more of an American nationalistic and generational bias than a problem of racism. Once you achieve a tremendously high degree of mastery you’re not going to get punched a lot. Both Klitschkos have achieved this mastery. Their fights lack drama because their opponents have little success in hitting them solidly.
Vitali has never been floored. He’s always been ahead on points in every fight. The ATG Lewis is the only guy who gave VK a fight. It would have been a good fight if Vitali’s face hadn’t been ripped open by illegal blows.
Holmes’ blistering fights with Tim Witherspoon and Mike Weaver were exciting to watch. Both combatants were getting blasted with heavy punches. Holmes was floored and almost taken out by Snipes and Shavers. Seeing Holmes survive and go after them was pretty interesting.
On the other hand none of Holmes’ fights with Lucian Rodriguez, David Bey, Scott LaDoux, Scott Frank, Muhammad Ali, Garing Lane, Ray Mercer, James Smith, and Lorenzo Zanon, had any gripping moments. I’ve seen more exciting sparring sessions.
Ali’s 1st Frazier fight, and his 2nd and 3rd fights with Norton were interesting. Both fighters were getting smacked with tons of punches. But Ali’s fights with Joe Bugner, Mac Foster, Buster Mathis, Rudi Lubbers, and Alfredo Evangelista were about as boring as you can get—like watching Chris Byrd spar with DaVarryl Williamson.Posted October 2, 2013 12:52 pm
Povetkin is NOT in the same league as Wlad ! Hopefully ,he’ll put up a good fight , but Wlad was just being nice when he referred to him as the ;
yea that was an incredibly dumb Theory Putin the Great Putin loves Wladimir.Posted October 2, 2013 12:22 pm
one word: corruption!Posted October 2, 2013 12:04 pm
@Europe – It would be naive to state the location would make no difference if this was an even maytchup between equals, or near equals. Fact is, it is not. Wlad K is on a different level to Povetkin, its like saying Jean Pierre Coopmans might have got a decision against Ali if the fight was held in Belgium.Posted October 2, 2013 11:40 am
A solid gold matchup.,this fight is a solid lagit boxing matchup, for the worlds biggest prize fight.,No question.I wonder if Wilder was fighting for the title if it would be as big in Europe.?Posted October 2, 2013 9:29 am
Good points by AssyrianGod.
@ Squared-Circle, and the retarded idiots you comment on are the first to bring up “racism” when something doesn’t go their way. Would be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic.Posted October 2, 2013 8:58 am
I dont want to sound as a conspiracy theorist but there is one curious coincidence there. October the 5-th is president Putin’s birthday. Who knows may be FSB (that is modern Russian KGB) decides to cheer up their former boss by making sure the Russian fighter wins. You can think of various methods to achieve just that – and the agency certainly has the expertise.Posted October 2, 2013 8:21 am
The Klitschko brothers are great. I don’t get why people hate on them so much in the sport.
I enjoy the technical breakdown that happens in every fight. They just slowly take the other guy apart one round at a time. That is a skill and I love watching it take place.
It will be sad when they depart.Posted October 2, 2013 8:18 am
AssyrianGod: How naive is that?!?!
‘The location should not make any difference’Posted October 2, 2013 4:16 am
Never been enthused by Povetkin myself, and I cant see him giving Wlad much trouble in Moscow, Manchester, Mombassa or Manilla. The location should not make any difference, I just cant see Povetkin making it nearly close enough for even the most biased judges to be able to give him the win.Povetkin barely beat Huck, who is a crude, small Cruiserweight, his other wins included beating old fighters such as Rahman and Boswell. Ive always felt he was there for the taking, and Wlad will take him. I believe Vitali Haye, Pulev and Fury would also beat Povetkin, and I would give Chisora, Adamek and Stiverne a great chance against him too.Posted October 2, 2013 3:21 am
So Jonathan Banks is training Wladimir now. Interesting if Banks can be successful in this career. He will have a hell of fighter to start out with and get his name out there.Posted October 2, 2013 2:34 am
povetkin bring A game, let’s see a fight.Posted October 2, 2013 1:38 am
Archie Moore started his professional career at welterweight… He said the best fighter he ever fought was Charley Burley in about his 54th professional fight. Burley fought Moore on a few hours notice — after finishing his day job on the day shift at a factory in San Diego. Burley took the bus to the fight because he didn’t own a car, and he barely made it to Hollywood in time to dress and wrap his own hands. Burley knocked Moore down 4 times in route to a lopsided decision win. Burley picked up his check and caught the next bus back to San Diego.Posted October 2, 2013 1:10 am
This is the biggest challenge for wlad in along time. I really think this will be closePosted October 2, 2013 12:49 am
Kid Blast: Excellent posts buddy!Posted October 1, 2013 11:34 pm
Wladimir is in incredible shape! He will destroy Povetkin. The guy hits so hard and his straight right could knock out any Heavy even the old guys!Posted October 1, 2013 10:56 pm
Tark, I totally agree on Foreman and Holmes. That is why I brought them up as examples for argument against the statement that 70s HW could not hang. I used “reasonable” only because in the 90s they were not quite up to the level they were at during their iconic primes. I would also make the arguement that Holmes may be one of the most underrated and under appreciated of the legends of the sports. Archie Moore is another HW (well, at least for a few fights) that casual boxing fans ignore. He fought for nearly 40 years and was like 108 years old when he retired.Posted October 1, 2013 10:18 pm
wlad=atgPosted October 1, 2013 10:00 pm
Tex.., “Foreman and Holmes saw reasonable success in two very distinct eras.”
21 straight World Title Fight victories is more than reasonable. That’s the 2nd best only to Joe Louis. Holmes got 2 world title shots in the 1990′s. On my scorecard he edged Oliver McCall at 45. The win over Ray Mercer at 43 should have been a title fight—but Mercer was oddly stripped of his title for fighting Holmes.
Foreman got 3 shots at a world title in the 90′s. He wasn’t ranked anywhere when he fought the 3rd one againt Moorer. He hadn’t won in 2 years. It was an elective defense for Moorer. Foreman wore the same trunks he wore when he fought Ali. He was exorcising a demon. Foreman felt he could have gotten up when Ali floored him. For 10 rounds George took punishment—then he landed those two 1-2’s like a dream. The finishing right was the last KO punch George ever threw. He never even knocked anyone down after that—but he got Moorer.Posted October 1, 2013 9:57 pm
Hey does anyone know what happened to the other Klit brother? Guy that had the WBC Heavy strap? Looks like a larger version of Wladimir?Posted October 1, 2013 9:29 pm
Just saw Pov-Huck for the first time.
One thing is sure – if Pov has THAT kind of an effort vs Wlad it will be a very brutal night for Povetkin.Posted October 1, 2013 9:21 pm
Povetkin was eating right hands from huck all night, wlad may launch him through the ropes by round 7 if there’s no Russian mafioso business.Posted October 1, 2013 8:40 pm
T22 and the lads need to bring back a few Russian escorts to Skver hotel during the lads weekend.Posted October 1, 2013 8:14 pm
I expect an easy fight for Wladimir. No disrespect to Povetkin. Business as usual in Klitschko’s office.Posted October 1, 2013 7:36 pm
I would agree about Pov’s ruggedness also. My pro Wlad comments are not to say that Pov is terrible. He is tough, has a fair degree of skill, and will be a step up in recent competition for Wlad…he has a chance for an upset. I don’t think this will happen, but I will watch with some intrigue…as I am sure the rest of us will too.Posted October 1, 2013 6:42 pm
Pov when in shape can box and also is durable enough for Klichko. Its going to be WAR!Posted October 1, 2013 5:33 pm
Decker, I agree…for the most part. LL, Wlad, and Vit. are/were amazing no mater the decade. But I would not go so far as to knock the 70s era, or really any era in their entirety for that matter. A good fighter is a good fighter. And while a small sample size admittedly, Foreman and Holmes saw reasonable success in two very distinct eras.Posted October 1, 2013 5:28 pm
Povetkin didn’t look good against Marco Huck and that surprised me somewhat. I can’t see AP getting inside Wlad’s reach and defence too successfully. Wlad ties em up well. Wlad is bigger, stronger and more powerful. Alex had a amateur pedigree and has home advantage which is his best hope but unless something strange happens Saturday night, Wlad should win by late stoppage or big on points.Posted October 1, 2013 5:02 pm
Tex, most of the clowns that post that the HW div is a “joke” are bigots that have their panties in knots that a certain group no longer dominates the division. I doubt the US dominates the HW div anytime soon, if ever again. The competition is now truly at the WORLD level.
70s HWs? LOL they could not compete with modern HWs like the LL & K bro class. David Haye could beat most any 70s HW relatively easily. Haye is a smallish HW in THIS era. In the 70s he’d be fair sized HW with above average speed & power.Posted October 1, 2013 4:58 pm
Agree with the formula completely. There is no debate on the issue of devastating power. The jury has decided and the KO line forms to the left. His chin may be his only real weakness and the greatness of Steward adequately addressed it with slight jab and distance-oriented style changes. Now Vit. on the other hand has a chin and a half with devastating power comparable to “little” brother’s. Possibly one degree less, but still devastating. Vit. and Pov. would have made an interesting yet short brawl.Posted October 1, 2013 4:56 pm
Tex. The heavyweight division is only dead to armchair critics. Ive paid to see Wlad fight in Germany and now Moscow this weekend. Ive also seen Tyson, Bruno, Lewis,Danny Williams,Haye and loads of others.Fights at the arena and on tv are vastly different experiences. This weekend is a 4 day lads trip. % if you include the Monday coming back. This includes Skver hotel and flights and ticket for under £1000. My mate who arranged the trip isn’t sure how far the hotel is to the stadium.lol But hey its an adventure. Flyyinng thhursday around midday and should be another good experience. Also a eat way to see other countries.Posted October 1, 2013 4:19 pm
I do not understand why so many people say that the heavyweight division is a joke. Sure, in its entirety it is not the 70s; however, the Kiltschkos’ would be relevant in any era. Also there have been some good heavyweights in the past ten years. They just have not been predominately American and consistently fighting in Vegas.Posted October 1, 2013 3:40 pm
well it will be better than a Floyd fight,Posted October 1, 2013 3:29 pm
psy, floyd and Canelo sold 12 800 tickets. Look for quality, Einstein, not quantity. It’s broadcasting that makes ends meet, you could fill a stadium with 5$ tickets but it won’t pay your bills.Posted October 1, 2013 3:04 pm
ANOTHER JOKE FIGHT.Posted October 1, 2013 2:54 pm
A russian and a ukrainian fighting for a world title sells out a small arena in russia? wonders will never cease.Posted October 1, 2013 2:52 pm
Turkish Boxing Fan
Wlad by ko.Posted October 1, 2013 2:44 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Not by a long shot there Skippy…Posted October 1, 2013 2:19 pm
WK is one of THE hardest hitters the HW division has ever seen!Posted October 1, 2013 1:51 pm
Man this russian promoter laid out some cash to have the fight there,W.K. may need a k.o. here to get a draw….Posted October 1, 2013 1:48 pm
Ivan, Wlad has power at long range, I’ll give you that……..but “devastating power”………not really, discouraging breaking down power yes…….”devastating”…….no.Posted October 1, 2013 1:23 pm
Povetkin is going to get beat up very badly. It’ll be Chagaev all over againPosted October 1, 2013 1:05 pm
KL, you don’t seem to disagree but you still have objections when someone spells things out for you. Wlad not only boxes at long range, he has devastating power at long range, that’s the point. Some other long range boxers like Floyd for example have only scoring impact at long range.Posted October 1, 2013 12:06 pm
De Lima, I watched Huck-Povetkin, it was a cat and mouse chase until Povetkin run out of gas. He not only out punched Huck, he was faster than his cruiser weight opponent. The last two rounds made it a bad night for Povetkin. No surprise Huck did not wish to continue fighting at heavy and returned to cruiser. Huck was all busted up and found out he did not have power at heavyweight.Posted October 1, 2013 12:02 pm
The key to how things pan out for this fight probably lies in the their common opponent Chagaev………. I thought Chagaev gave Povetkin a pretty good argument, but Chagaev had no impact on Wlad.
De Lima I.
He out boxed and out punched Huck easily???
Ivan — did you watch the fight between AP and MH???Posted October 1, 2013 11:49 am
If 2 world champs fighting for a world title can’t sell out 14,000 seats then they must be hosting it on the Moon! Ivan what would we do without you………telling us that Wlad fights at long range, what a remarkable eye for the sport you have!!!Posted October 1, 2013 11:46 am
De Lima I.
He out boxed and out punched Huck easily???Posted October 1, 2013 11:43 am
14’000 povetkin fans, this will be new for wlad, all against him!!!!Posted October 1, 2013 11:32 am
HW BOXING TODAY IS BEYOND A JOKE.Posted October 1, 2013 11:24 am
In Germany, there are usually 50’000-60’000 every time, Wlad is fighting. Is the Olympic that small??????Posted October 1, 2013 11:16 am
$9,000 USD a seat? Ohhhh Floyyyyd? Your single seat cost has been smashed!Posted October 1, 2013 11:14 am