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TARK

Bush destroyed the rapidly growing economy he inherited… Two major recessions during his terms and an economic collapse at the end of it.

Since mid 2009 the economy has slowly been turning around. Great economic policy is gaining stronger and stronger footholds. A big piece of the puzzle is bring down escalating heath care costs. The Affordable Health Care Act is starting to do that. When fully implemented, and when all the bugs are worked out, it will work like a charm.

Employers have been cutting employees’ hours for years. That will slow down as soon as the health care exchanges are in place and humming along. This will take a few years but Rome wasn’t built in a day. There are actually fewer part time workers now, as a percentage of the workforce, than at the depth of the Great Bush Recession. As stronger economic growth takes hold, and full employment is within sight, that percentage will drop way down.

Posted October 8, 2013 1:54 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Agree Big Foot. Money(the economy) runs the country, not morals, good thoughts or anything else. No economy EVER has spent their way out of debt, but the idiots want to raise the ceiling even more! The debt is growing at the rate of almost two billion bucks a day and the pole-smokers are still blaming Bush-lol.

Posted October 6, 2013 1:59 pm 


BIG FOOT

Oh we’ve got big problems ahead because of what’s going on with the economy now. Pay attention this is history in the making.

Posted October 6, 2013 1:26 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

What about the reduction of labor forces by MANY employers and cutting the hours below the requirements for benefits? The ridiculous system is a failure like everything else this administration has tried, except that time Barry went overseas and personally shot Bin Laden right between the eyes, not giving credit to our brave military who did actually did it. Stick with that sinking ship Turd…

Posted October 6, 2013 11:35 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

No facts to back that up once again…

Posted October 6, 2013 11:29 am 


TARK

It takes a while to cure cancer too.

Posted October 6, 2013 4:15 am 


TARK

Do you ever read anything??? You stupid idiot.. The rise in health care costs has come down substantially since the Affordable Care Act was passed. Something the GOP doesn’t want people to know about.

Posted October 6, 2013 4:14 am 


TARK

A recession doesn’t HAVE to come if the economcy is managed right. Another bad recession might destroy America’s future because we took up all the slack trying to deal with the Great Recession of 2008. We more than tripled taxpayer debt to keep Wall Street and the manufacturing sector afloat so we wouldn’t plunge into another Great Depression.

The government shutdown hurts a lot.. I know dozens of people who are badly effected by the shutdown. My son does contract work with the government that have been cut off without notice. The GOP is trying to wreck the economy to hurt Obama.

The Affordable Care Act is lowering the rise in medical costs … and that is critical to us getting a handle on deficit spending. The shutdown is a tactic to destroy Health Care reform. Regulatory reforms to speed new business startups are being tied up in committee so Obama doesn’t get credit for them. Right wing groups are hacking government websites. It’s a bitter partisan war in Washington with no end in sight.

Posted October 5, 2013 9:27 pm 


BIG FOOT

The recession has been greatly eased with Obama and his stimulus. Now how do they get out of it? They have to raise the debt ceiling for the health care. People are forced to work part time and have money to spend also they have to spend more on health care, it’s an anti-stimulus. Can’t taper the stimulus now with the economy as it is. We’re looking forward to bigger economic problems 2014 than we had 2008, maybe a depression, it’s coming.

Posted October 5, 2013 4:33 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

“Bite yourself in one of your craps Idiot Ernie”

lol, a classic right there…

Posted October 4, 2013 9:01 pm 


TARK

Bite yourself in one of your craps Idiot Ernie

Posted October 4, 2013 8:39 pm 


Jimmy Three Craps

Tark all Bark and no Bite

Posted October 4, 2013 7:42 pm 


TARK

Right.., And Idiot Ernie deserves an answer.., I’ll have one directly

Posted October 4, 2013 7:15 pm 


horst fraze

styles make fights ask earnie about jerry quarry

Posted October 4, 2013 5:25 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

lmao at the pole-smoking liberal Turd. How’s that hardworking president working out for ya?

No reply needed, if you don’t know, then you don’t know…

Posted October 4, 2013 4:48 pm 


Anonymous

WHO SAID THE PLASTIC PIKEY WAS FIGHTING THAT OTHER BIG PRICK DAVID CHIN PRICE.

Posted October 4, 2013 4:34 pm 


BRUCE

BILLY MUSLIM BOY,ARE YOU KHAN”S BROTHER.

Posted October 4, 2013 4:24 pm 


Anonymous

“THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO WATCH MODERN HW BOXING TODAY, blah, blah, blah…”

because you know every single person that watches, right, moron? literally millions of people around the world watch a klitschko event. many are 10X the man you will ever be.

what kind of retard posts in a HW boxing topic if he doesn’t even watch it?

Posted October 4, 2013 4:16 pm 


Anonymous

find a life ernie, instead of polluting every single k bro thread with your garbage. they rule, get over it.

Posted October 4, 2013 4:13 pm 


BILLY NO MEDALS ALL AMERICAN BOY

BRUCE THE W@NKER AS GONE ALL Anonymous!!!!the ponce!!!!

Posted October 4, 2013 3:20 pm 


Anonymous

WHICH ONE OF THE BRO”S WAS ON THE EASTERN ORANGE JUICE.

Posted October 4, 2013 2:33 pm 


Reem

If the K-bros had been around in your day, people would not have even heard of them? You wouldn’t have had any problems with them? They would wipe the floor with you buddy. They ain’t stationary targets, so you could forget landing your body shots or whatever and would eat bombs instead. Delusional as it gets.

Posted October 4, 2013 2:16 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

As soon as Turd hears the command of “Eat this”, down he goes faster than Obama’s approval rating…

Posted October 4, 2013 2:08 pm 


TARK

Andweave says.., “Anybody else but Holmes would have been counted out and sent to the hospital after that Shavers Punch.”

How about Ron Lyle??? Shavers floored Ronnie with his Sunday punch… Ronnie got up and brutalized Shavers before stopping him.

Lots of guys got the last word in on Earnie… “EAT THIS” and out Earnie went.

Posted October 4, 2013 1:07 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Agree 100%. No excuses, no “I was poisoned”, no “My shoulder hurts and I don’t want to make a statement by adapting in the ring or just plain toughing it out as some of the greats have done”.

Larry’s heart picked him up and carried him like the true champ he was…

(here come the nuthuggers)

Posted October 4, 2013 12:35 pm 


Bob Andweave

Boy oh Boy Ernie Shavers put Larry Holmes on the canvas. He dropped him like a sack of cement!! And Larry beat the count and got up off the floor and went on to beat Ernie Shavers in the fight. Truly amazing. Just amazing the resolve of Larry Holmes to get up and win. A true Champion was Larry Holmes. Anybody else would have been counted out and sent to the hospital after that Shavers Punch.

Posted October 4, 2013 11:47 am 


Anonymous

THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO WATCH MODERN HW BOXING TODAY ARE YOUNG PEOPLE AND RETARDS.

Posted October 4, 2013 10:03 am 


Decker

AssyrianGod, CARLOS, Europe

I was going to read this but the comments tell me Shavers took too many punches to his fragile chin.

Forget the K bros, there’s hardly *any* top 20, 30 HWs today that wouldn’t UD or most likely starch Earnie. You can even look past Shavers KO1 loss to Quarry, ES was stopped by such skilled HWs as Ron Stander and Tex Cobb. That he went 15 rounds w/Ali shows what a light puncher Ali was even in his era.

The “I worship the old US HWs” brigade seems to be suffering from dementia worse than their aging heroes.

Posted October 4, 2013 9:16 am 


AssyrianGod

Shavers was an ”i’ll get you or you’ll get me” type of fighter. He had a tremendous punch for his era, but he himself was chinny, and his skills (particularly defence) were limited. There’s little chance he would beat many of the top 20 today before they got to him first.

Posted October 4, 2013 6:54 am 


CARLOS

No way Earnie would beat the K bros, the guy must have p-dementia or it’s just easy for him to say that now that he’s in a rocking chair.

Posted October 4, 2013 5:32 am 


Europe

Hahaha, Shavers honestly thinks he would have beaten the Klitschko’s, get me out of here. The Klitschko’s athletism, smart way of training, dieting, and their sheer speed and power would have KO’ed any of these arrogant American bums. I found it still astonishing that these Americans believe the Klitschko’s are just any other heavyweight. Wake up, they are reigning the HW division for more than 10 years now. That is not just luck.

Posted October 4, 2013 4:37 am 


TARK

Ernie Shavers never shook Ali’s kinfolk in Africa… That was left hooks from Sonny Banks, Henry Cooper, and Joe Frazier that knocked Ali on his ass and shook his kin … In the last instance Ali was will beaten by UD.

Shavers never hit Holmes in the ass in their first fight… Their 2nd fight came after Holmes suffered the ripped left biceps in the Norton fight… Holmes could never retract his left jab with the same speed after that … That’s why Snipes almost put Holmes out — and why Tyson DID put him out for Larry’s only KO loss… Holmes was always vulnerable to right hands following that injury.

Tyson hit a lot harder than Shavers… After Shavers put Holmes down, Larry got up and beat Shavers so bad they had to stop it.

Posted October 4, 2013 2:16 am 


TARK

Clark hit Ali pretty damned good.., Clark did better vs Ali (Clay) than Shavers did vs Jerry Quarry.

Posted October 4, 2013 2:07 am 


Hecdog

Shavers beats K Bros by KO! One has no chin and the other takes too many punches. Both are destroyed under 4 rounds by Shavers IRON FISTS! Trust me on this.

Posted October 4, 2013 2:05 am 


Alonzo

Shavers was a lot better than Lamar Clark, Tark–was it the seventh round that he knocked Holmes on his ass? Or how about the Kinfolk in Africa statement by the Greatest. Clark never shook Clay’s kinfolk.

Posted October 4, 2013 12:34 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

F O creep…

Posted October 4, 2013 12:19 am 


Tony1244

Earnie was capable of beating people better than he was because of his power and losing to people worse than he was because of his chin.

Posted October 3, 2013 9:52 pm 


Tark.. all over this like a rash.

Ernie is not the only one that thinks you are full of crap Tark..

Posted October 3, 2013 7:25 pm 


TARK

Idiot Ernie.., GTH and stay there.

Posted October 3, 2013 6:18 pm 


Tark.. all over this like a rash.

“Blah, blah, Blah.” says Tark..

Posted October 3, 2013 5:35 pm 


Cliff Richard

Tark.. “blah, blah, blah.””

Posted October 3, 2013 5:34 pm 


Robot

Funny how these old timers always proclaim themselves “the best ever”… funny and sad at the same time. He can’t be that brain damaged, he still talks!

Posted October 3, 2013 5:34 pm 


Swedish Boxing Fan

Whocares – Good one. Thats correct and I made an miss. Earnie Shavers had a long reach for his size,thyats true. Also an good asnalys there. Good work :-)

Posted October 3, 2013 4:39 pm 


TARK

How many fights did Joe Frazier have??? 30 something fights… This is Wladimir’s 64th fight.. Shavers had a lot of fights—but with 2nd rate fighters. He built an impressive KO record on the backs of tyros and cans.

Earnie beat Jimmy Young when Young had about 10 fights.. Young beat Shavers when he gained more experience. Ron Stander had far fewer fights than Shavers when he knocked Earnie cold. Stander was a crude swinger. They tried to match Shavers with every tomato can in the directory.

ES was another Llamar Clark except he fought at a little higher level. He fought top boxers occasionally—but usually got his ass kicked when he did.

Posted October 3, 2013 4:06 pm 


Anonymous

No mention of Lennox who would of flattened Ernie easily.

Even Ali called Lennox the greatest of all time. And he’s right.

Posted October 3, 2013 4:03 pm 


Anonymous

ONE GOOD FIGHT A YEAR, MAN THERE IN GREAT SHAPE.

Posted October 3, 2013 3:40 pm 


Anonymous

decker…that’s precisely what i’m talking about, u.s. fighters….Shavers couldn’t take a punch so he would be what he was even now…European fighters have always been good and tough, some just weren’t allowed to fight professional until recently….what i’m saying is on a whole the fighters of then were better conditioned than todays, with todays paydays a fighter only needs to get one big fight and he’s set for a good while….before if you didn’t produce you wouldn’t get fights of any consequence

Posted October 3, 2013 3:15 pm 


Anonymous

THEY ALSO HAVE MORE PAPER TITLES TO PLAY WITH.

Posted October 3, 2013 2:55 pm 


Decker

Anon, who are the fat robots besides US HWs. LOL

The US is the main source of food stamp era HWs. The K bros and most Euro HWs are in good to great shape. I doubt they have a generous SNAP card program in East Europe and in most other areas. You’re a VERY confused humanoid.

Modern nutrition and 12 round fights is not going to make a contender out of a guy like Shavers today. ES had poor stamina at ~210#s. Modern nutrition isn’t going to alter his glass jaw either. In a 12 round fight at 230+ he’d be out of gas after r1. Wouldn’t matter b/c ES wouldn’t last much longer vs today’s top HWs.

It’s almost amazing how much certain fans want to hold on to eras were the US dominated the HW scene. That world that no longer exists.

In those eras it wasn’t even true world competition. This isn’t how I or anyone else *feels* it’s a f’n FACT.

Posted October 3, 2013 2:47 pm 


Anonymous

DONT COMPARE THESE FAT ROBOTS WITH REAL LEGENDS.

Posted October 3, 2013 2:41 pm 


Anonymous

nobody said they would be taller u idiot….they would be physically bigger….just like the food stamp era fighters we have now

Posted October 3, 2013 2:29 pm 


TARK

….”If those past fighters were fighting today, they would also weigh in at 240-250 easily”

Right.., Like Patterson and Quarry, who weighed in the 190′s would be 50 pounds heavier today… Frazier, who looked like a little boy trying to take a cigar away from his daddy, when fighting the 217-pound Foreman, would be a big tall giant today. The wonders of modern nutrition would have changed his genetics.

The only way those boxers would have been bigger is if they ate on 40 or 50 pounds like Foreman and Toney did…

On the day you’re born you’re going to have a certain size frame at maturity. At maturity you could end up the size of Guillermo Rigondeaux or Vitali Klitschko. You don’t get to decide. You can decide how fat or muscular you want to be — but loading yourself down with excess weight will not help you beat a naturally bigger guy.

Posted October 3, 2013 1:35 pm 


Salmondogfishcat

He lives in fantasy land! Both Klitschkos would have stopped him!

Posted October 3, 2013 1:27 pm 


Anonymous

Moosh…that’s the point exactly….if they trained for 15 they would also weigh less…..but todays fighters are just too lazy and all it takes is one good payday and they’re set for a good while

Posted October 3, 2013 11:34 am 


dwc

whocares…Good point about the reach of fighters.For example Sonny Liston had a longer reach then both K-bros.

Posted October 3, 2013 11:13 am 


Anonymous

we have some really good hvwts today, but alot less competetive ones than the 70′s, almost all the fighters of before could go 15 rds at a good pace…something today’s fighters can’t do, also if those past fighters were fighting today, they would also weigh in at 240-250 easily, it will always be hard to compare eras…Shavers was a great puncher but had problems with fighters that could take a good punch

Posted October 3, 2013 10:58 am 


RUFFKNIGHT

The 70′s may have been the best era for the boxing fans. It was easier to follow, just wbc, and wba, 15 rounders, free tv. But today it is much more competitive and Shavers wouldn’t have gotten so far in the current era. Look at the records and weights of the guys he beat and the ones who beat him too.
Where were they? almost all from the USA. It was mostly an American thing back then, not so now.

Posted October 3, 2013 10:35 am 


Whocares

@ Swedish Boxing Fan
You are right that Shavers was relatively short for a heavyweight with ~183cm or 6 feet, however he did have a freakish long reach. I looked at a couple of websites and his reach is listed 78 to 80 inches. Ali had an 80 inch reach as well and was 6’3. Liston’s reach was ~81 inches. Mike Tyson was 5’10 or 5’11 but his reach was only 72. Marciano had the shortest reach ever for a heavyweight, only 67-68 inches. Combine Shavers’ hard punch and his long reach, and you have a very dangerous fighter knockout fighter… His weaknesses were his stamina and maybe his chin. He was not the most skilled boxer either. I think he would have been a top challenger for the heavyweight title in this era. He could have beaten most heavyweight including Haye (50:50 fight), but would have definitely lost to both Klitschkos. He would have definitely beaten the Chisoras and Arreolas of today… Just my opinion.

Posted October 3, 2013 9:19 am 


eric

Shavers dosent give any fighter a shot against him and that fine, tyson fury also thinks he can beat everybody aswell, im not compair n shavers and fury in the ring just their statments. Shavers was really good and a hard puncher but shavers should give some of the other heavys a little more credit than he did.

Posted October 3, 2013 8:35 am 


James Blond

Today Shavers would be a lightheavy or cruiser. His punching power was certainly there but he went down plenty himself not the least of which to Jerry Quarry in the first round already. Shaver did go 15 rounds with the hype job of the century M. Ali but then so did many others. Shavers small but oh ho.

Posted October 3, 2013 8:26 am 


mack

Earnie Shavers was an exciting fighter, and had a puncher’s chance with anyone in any era. That being said, I wouldn’t rate him a favorite with fighters like Tyson, Liston, or Klitschko. Knockout losses to Ron Stander, Ron Lyle, Jerry Quarry and Bernardo Mercado make it difficult to support his dismissing of some all time greats. Earnie caught breaks in his fight with Williams, as he was given a standing eight count while about to be stopped. Against Jeff Sims he was given one of the longest counts since Dempsey-Tunney, and came back to win.
Make no mistake, I loved watching Shavers fight, but one must face all the facts.

Posted October 3, 2013 7:48 am 


punch drunk

And Holyfield just made the statement that fury or haye could beat klitschkos. Does he think Haye beat wlad in that laugher? He was going to get all the titles back too Now come the shavers BS. Shavers telegraphed all those wild swings and occasionally got lucky and it made him look good, but great is a little too much.

Posted October 3, 2013 7:30 am 


Walt K

M. Shavers talks like lot of old boxers used to do : it was better in their times…

Posted October 3, 2013 6:36 am 


Brazilian Boxing Fan

Earnie Shavers was a very hard puncher.

Posted October 3, 2013 6:32 am 


Swedish Boxing Fan

The former 2-time world heavyweight title challanger Earnie Shavers was a hard beast in the ring. he had punch-power of the best quality and lots of heart. His 2 fights with Larry Holmes are legendary and so is his fights against Mohammad Ali, Ron Lyle, ken Norton, Jimmy Young etc. Shavers almost had Ali there IF it had not been for running out of gas. Altough some people say he had best punch-power, I must say these people have not watch many of George Foreman or Ron Lyle’s fights as they where not of this world when it comes down to pure power. Shavers was also a very short heavyweight with his 183cm and short reach as well when Foreman and Lyle was both 193 cm tall. Also Shavers lost 14 fights with 7 being knocked out. Still Earnie Shavers at his best was a dangerous opponent for any heavyweight to fight. Respect.

Posted October 3, 2013 6:27 am 


Turkish Boxing Fan

Lyle’s ko punch of the Shavers fight was the hardest punch I’ve ever seen taken by a heavy-weight boxer. Shaver’s second fight with Holmes is among the fights I like most. Ali should retire after the Shavers fight. So Shavers was a part of the golden era and had huge impact for sure.

Posted October 3, 2013 5:48 am 


Rich

Junior …..Yeah go ahead,start an argument….It’s getting real slow on here…..

Posted October 3, 2013 4:04 am 


Rich

It’s strange when you get someone on here crudely telling everyone,that Ali was so easy to hit…..but gets to fight Shavers,wins a unanimous and according to the leading light in boxing, he was so easy to hit but never got tagged ,put down, or stopped by him………

Posted October 3, 2013 4:00 am 


Anonymous

Vlad, Vitali and Lewis would toy with Shavers.

Posted October 3, 2013 2:47 am 


TARK

Junior.., I’m one of the biggest supporters of Larry Holmes and Joe Louis.. I believe Sonny Liston was the best heavyweight from the 1950′s.. Jack Johnson was one of the greatest heavyweights and one of the greatest infighters of all time.. Charley Burley, Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Eder Jofre, Salvadore Sanchez, Gene Tunney, and many other boxers of the past were great.

Earnie Shavers wasn’t… OK??? When they’re not that great, and they’re bragging about being the greatest puncher ever, and they were knocked out a lot … and they’re saying they would have knocked out great heavyweights of other eras when they never KO’d a great heavyweight in their life… I just don’t think they deserve to be hyped to the quasars in that case.

Posters should point out that these braggarts are full of it.

Posted October 3, 2013 2:44 am 


TARK

Hecdog.., “Shavers beats K Bro by KO.” and “Guerrero will KO Floyd.”

Posted October 3, 2013 1:47 am 


Paul

Shavers had nothing but power. He didn’t have any other gifts, but he did have below average technique, porous defence and a weak chin. He was just an average fringe type fighter then and that is what he would have been in any era. For him to say he could have beaten Tyson, Liston, Foreman and the Klitchkos suggests he didn’t duck enough punches during his time and is now delusional. Tyson, Liston and Foreman would have starched him in a round or two, the Klitchkos would have put on a clinic and slowly beat him to death. Great fighters would have been great in any era, Ernie wasn’t one of them.

Posted October 3, 2013 1:07 am 


Decker

“Shavers was a very hard puncher.” – Hecdog
For his era.

“He was in a era of great fighters, but he would have had trouble with any of the guys today after 6 rounds.”

After 1-2 w/many of them. An era of great fighters??? LMAO. Why b/c US centric dominated when East Euros didn’t even compete. Notice what’s happened less than 20 yrs after East Euros have been competing. Can you put 2 and 2 together?

“Tyson wins by KO, Klitchko loses by ko, Lennox Lewis wins by KO.”

LOL you’re right about MT & LL.
Either K bro would *torture* Shavers until they decided to put him out of his misery. What bigoted idiocy to say Shavers stops Wlad or Vitali when he was KOd by the likes of quality journeyman Ron Stander, crude Cobb, and CW Quarry. Truly mind numbing “logic”.

Posted October 3, 2013 12:14 am 


TARK

Vitali beat Shavers by KO.. As does Lewis… Heye… Fury… Pulev… Wach… Wladimir… Arreola… Adamek… Wilder… Jenning… Povetkin… and about 5 dozen other of today’s heavyweights.

Come to think of it… The guys Shavers KO’d weren’t that big, strong, and granite chinned.. And they certainly weren’t that big or good except for China-chinned Norton.

Posted October 3, 2013 12:04 am 


Hecdog

Shavers was a very hard puncher. He was in a era of great fighters, but he would have had trouble with any of the guys today after 6 rounds. He relied on his power and that’s all. he could punch though. Tyson wins by KO, Klitchko loses by ko, Lennox Lewis wins by KO.

Posted October 2, 2013 11:59 pm 


TARK

Only a building made of tinker toys…

Shavers hit Tex Cobb real good… He hit Ron Lyle real good… He hit Bob Stallings real good… He hit Ron Stander so hard he almost broke his own shoulder… He hit Larry Holmes real good.

Shavers couldn’t knock any of them out… But other heavyweights DID.

Posted October 2, 2013 11:49 pm 


Jkk

Earnie punched so hard he could bring a building down

Posted October 2, 2013 11:26 pm 


TARK

I well say an old Machen beat Quarry… An old Folley beat Bonavena.

So some of the 1950′s fighter Sonny Liston beat were not dubs.

Posted October 2, 2013 11:18 pm 


TARK

Cleveland Williams wasn’t coordinated enough.. Liston stopped Williams in 3 rounds, and then in 2 rounds. That’s when Liston was a good heavyweight. Liston beat Machen and Folley too. Machen beat Quarry… Folley beat Bonavena.

Liston was a fair athlete with pretty good coordination, reflexes, balance, and leverage. He hit a lot harder than Cleveland Williams. Sonny was locked up for 6 years and had to wait for a Patterson fight for 4 or 5 years. By the time Liston got the title he was an old man.

Posted October 2, 2013 11:15 pm 


Decker

It’s Me, Ernie,

A prime Tyson could beat most HWs from his era and *before*.

He would lose to the recent/current HWs – especially the ones from the current era ; )

A young Tyson lost to Douglas and later to beefed (juiced) up CW Holy for crying out loud.

It’s amazing how effective repetition (showing old bouts) on the boob tube is for influencing easily led minds. It’s why there’s an advertising biz.

Posted October 2, 2013 11:09 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

A prime Tyson could probably beat most all heavyweights, especially the ones from the current era…

Posted October 2, 2013 10:33 pm 


TARK

Earnie

Posted October 2, 2013 10:05 pm 


TARK

Lyle was WAAAAAY SLOOOOW… But he was too big and strong for Ernie.

Posted October 2, 2013 10:03 pm 


TARK

Luke.., There was no “Shavers” era… Shavers never won the title and made his way to contention about the same time Holmes did.. He fought Holmes twice and was more a part of his era..

He got KO’d by Stander, Quarry, etc. — and got back in line again.

Shavers would never be heard from if he were fighting today because he was too easy to hit and his chin was made of China. When I heard the Lyle-Shavers fight was signed I said, “poor Ernie” he’s getting KO’d… It was as predictable as the sunrise.

Posted October 2, 2013 10:00 pm 


1-2

And as far as ES goes, I caught the tail end of his career and he was a big puncher no doubt but he was a lot like Quawi when he was late in his career. Big punch and no gas.

Posted October 2, 2013 9:59 pm 


1-2

McBride? You have to be joking. Tyson was a shell of himself after he got out of jail. And the words out of his mouth after the McBride fight were “No disrespect to Kevin but if I lose to fighters like this I have to retire”.

Posted October 2, 2013 9:56 pm 


TARK

Tyson quit against Kevin McBride.. Mike’s left knee went out for the 2nd time in 2 fights.. His left knee collapsed in the Danny Williams fight too.. But a prime Tyson murders a prime Shavers in about 30 seconds of the 1st round.

Tyson could defend a little bit… Shavers couldn’t defend at all.

Posted October 2, 2013 9:23 pm 


Rasputin

Case Study in why the opinions of old fighters can mean nothing.

Posted October 2, 2013 9:17 pm 


TARK

Luke.., “The division was so, so much more competitive!! Fighters were brought along far quicker. A guy was bound to have more blemishes on his record.”

Right… That why Larry Holmes went 48-0. So damned competitive.

That’s why Holmes had to fight retreads like Leon Spinks and Alfredo Evangelista — and a kid with only 10 pro fights like Marvis Frazier.

Luke.., “Shavers absolutely relished the beating he delivered to Norris.”

Of course… If you took so many beatings you’d love to hand one out too.

Posted October 2, 2013 9:14 pm 


punch drunk

hahahahaha….this big mouth couldn’t whip 5 feet 10 inch quarry and hes going to beat a klitschko. I get sick of hearing about his round house punches.

Posted October 2, 2013 9:08 pm 


Ray Ray

Ernie sure could hit

Posted October 2, 2013 8:59 pm 


Vlad the Impaler

Yeah, the Klitschkos are big and slow. All you have to do is get inside, and they will go down. Piece of cake Ernie. Lol! Big respect for ES, but what did you think he would say, and at this age? Funny.

Posted October 2, 2013 8:34 pm 


Luke

Tark…in the acorn’s era, fighters fought with much more frequency, and of course, the division was so, so much more competitive!! Fighters were brought along far quicker. A guy was bound to have more blemishes on his record.

I saw the acorn fight (had an ABA fro then) as young boy, 8 or 9, from a front row seat in Binghamton, NY, versus Atlantic City’s Rochelle Norris. Shavers was top 10 at the time, and I’ll never forget the wide grin he had pasted across his face for the entire 9 and a half rounds, absolutely relishing in the beating he delivered to Norris. Three or four body shots for every one shot he threw to the head. Norris, stepping up in opp, suffered that night badly!

Saw him on TV several times, too. Always energetic and primed to go…KO or be KO’d.
I think if he had a few good moments against Mike, which he probably would, Mike would seriously think of quitting, like he did against…what’s his name….umm…Kevin McBride??

Posted October 2, 2013 8:26 pm 


alexanderkuczyk@gmail.com

The most amazing thing about Ernie is He got stopped By Jerry Quarry in the first round. Ernie was talking smack and got Smacked down for talking smack

Posted October 2, 2013 8:16 pm 


WHAT!?!

Two things – 1. DELUSIONAL 2. He was the 70′s Seth Mitchell. Nuff Said.

Posted October 2, 2013 8:03 pm 


Unbiased Dane

Its kind of sad to hear one of the old fighters being so out of touch with reality

Posted October 2, 2013 7:11 pm 


Jonn E JaGozza

Ernie was a great hitter and had as power as Foreman and Tyson but I have to disagree on what he said in a way. Ernie had NO stamina, no endurance and in many fights, his opponents knew that if they could with stand his thunder for the first 5-6 rounds he’ fade fast and as history shows he did, i he faded real fast … You were great to watch champ and later in your life I had the pleasure to have lunch with you and hear you give great sermon … you are definitely in my all 10 best fighters club for sure …PEACE

Posted October 2, 2013 7:02 pm 


Decker

… hit send by mistake.

TARK did you forget that fringe contender Ron Stander stopped ES in ’70. 10 years later Randall Cobb stopped ES.

CW Quarry blasted the chinny Shavers in 1 – at least Quarry had some skills.

Shavers wouldn’t even be a small factor among today’s HWs.
Could he boil down to CW and win a title there?

Posted October 2, 2013 5:48 pm 


Decker

I might read this “blast from the past” piece later.

I loved ES fights b/c he either KO’d his opponent or was KO’d himself.

Tyson, LL, and either K bro beat the Acorn EASILY

Posted October 2, 2013 5:40 pm 


laj

Shavers is delusional, and would have been KO’d long before he even got to the Bro’s, really a weak chin I do think he may have been the hardest puncher, certainly not Lyle. Foreman was a good puncher, but slow as molasses, and if you look at who he fought it is filled with a more bums than both brothers together have fought.

Posted October 2, 2013 5:25 pm 


Anonymous

would not even heard of this guy if he was around now. way too short.

Posted October 2, 2013 5:08 pm 


TARK

Obviously Shavers isn’t going to talk about Quarry, Shavers, Cobb, and all the other boxers who knocked him out — other than Ron Lyle, who Shavers decked with a hard punch—but couldn’t even hurt.

Shavers says.., “The three hardest punching heavyweights ever are: me, Ron Lyle and George Foreman. We were the three hardest ever.”

You don’t expect Shavers to say Wladimir was the hardest puncher ever, or Mike Tyson was the hardest … They weren’t in his era.

Shavers was knocked out 6 or 7 times… Tyson would have smashed ES out in the 1st round like Jerry Quarry did… So would Wladimir and Vitali. Shavers couldn’t defend … and that’s part of the game.

Posted October 2, 2013 4:56 pm 


Southern texas

shavers was great, but i dont think he woudl have beated Tyson (to fast) or Klitschkos (too big). they would have been too much for him

Posted October 2, 2013 4:45 pm 



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