“. . . Junior proves by winning a rematch is that by entering the ring a re-hydrated 185+ LBs he can beat a B-level NATURAL 160LBer . . . the kid isn’t a stiff, a bum, nor a talent-less fraud… He’s IS a good fighter . . .” I Agree. Jr. is a Lot Better than the likes of Manfredo, Cintron, Lopez, Rosado, or even Angulo, and Kirkland. ALL highly-touted fighters who wilted v. presumably inferior competition a lot earlier in their careers and didN’T come back. whatever you may say about Martinez’s deteriorated(?) condition, he was overwhelmingly favored to defeat Jr. and DID in dominating fashion exCEPT for those final two rounds when Jr. had it in him to desperately surge for the KO win, which took a whole lot out of Martinez. THAT’s what Jr. has in him. otherwise, I don’t know of anybody touting him to be “elite” or even “great”(?) just a competitive contender capable of doing damage v. a broad range of opponents. like i’ve said, it’s a lot more than can be said for other highly-touted prospects without a Name that still strikes fear and dread in the traumatized hearts of a certain fanbase . . . Peace to EZ E.Posted October 6, 2013 12:16 pm
TUMBO Q-VO! A contender yes, no doubt. An elite? NO, no way! There are many contenders on his level, and better. Is there really any doubt that he’s gotten as far as he had because of someone strangely ‘looking the other way’ and other dubious “incidences”?? Even a rather LARGE portion of his fans are DEFECTING, even in Mexico and are expressing it on ALL the Mexican fight sites!! Cintron?? If you remember well I ALWAYS said that Cintron was a TV created HOAX and never picked him to beat anybody with decent skills. I have copies of 20 of his fights (and flops) that I NEVER review. Want them?? .. Didn’t think so. (lol) Review The Frog’s record before the Margarito fight. I picked both Margo & El Perro to wax him, and if he fights Perro again I’d pick him again, hands down! Now, getting back to Chavez Jr, he ISN’T an elite, never was. NEVER will be. A talented fighter, contender and fringe challenger if he sticks around and faces thee BEST. Sticking around for 12 rounds, fighting back against high level opposition is something lesser talented than him can do as well. Martinez fight? The 38 yr old Martinez was already showing signs of slowing down. Look at his following fight. Are we to believe that Junior took all the fight out of him with his ONLY moment?? Now, there’s rumors going around about a rematch at 168Lbs with Vera. First of all he did say BEFORE & AFTER the fight that he WAS in optimum condition but was having problems shedding weight. His team knew that California’s boxing commission is NOT like the Texas commission, where they GROSSLY sold out the little integrity they had left. He wasn’t going to get away with the “benefits” of any weight reducing substances and skipping away without testing. So he did the next best thing, admit it and have the weight problem ‘fixed’ to his benefit. The ONLY thing Junior proves by winning a rematch is that by entering the ring a re-hydrated 185+ LBs he can beat a B-level NATURAL 160LBer. No, the kid isn’t a stiff, a bum, nor a talent-less fraud… He’s IS a good fighter but he isn’t and NEVER will be an elite. Paz para TUMBO!!Posted October 5, 2013 11:59 am
EZ E, Chavez Jr. DOES have it in him . . . to be a dangerous contender. he Socks very well, displays a desire (if not the dedication) to improve, and Just Like His Legendary Father has the fundamental instinct to Fight-Back –for 12 entire rounds, if necessary– whenever he gets tagged. that is more than the likes of Cintron ever had and he was touted as an emerging “elite” beFore he lost his first big bout v. Margarito during which he exhibited the opPosite instincts of what we expect from a Fighter and much less than Chavez Jr. has ever resorted too. he’s coming off a yearlong layoff at no particular weight. this was nothing more than a competitive sparring match and no more indicative of either fighter’s long-term prospects . . . Peace to EZ E.Posted October 5, 2013 10:11 am
We’ve wasted enough time on this c..k jockey.Posted October 5, 2013 4:57 am
What is there to defend?? Look, are we supposed to believe that Chavez would be an ELITE fighter if he happened to be ‘more dedicated’?? Are you guys serious?? You just don’t automatically INHERIT greatness. He just don’t have it in him. He isn’t THAT good. Yes, he does have talent but that’s where it ends. Is there ANY denying that without Red Cross-like aid of Bobfather Arum or Godfather Suliaman/WBC and HBO he’d be just another fringe contender at most. Without all his EXTRA exclusive benefits WHERE would this kid actually be?? And NO, I don’t actually blame the Kid because: If I KNEW that by having the “right name” AND could get away with everything AND become a millionaire… I’d probably DO IT TOO!! LOL!! Peace to all!!Posted October 4, 2013 11:44 pm
Junior is too pampered and spoiled for the boxing craft. He’s too use to having his way. We saw this during the 24/7 when he fought Martinez. He always showed up to the gym late, and hardly did any work. Even his trainer was complaining about it. Unless if father threatens to cut him off, I don’t see him changes his way anytime soon. Especially, when people saw him complaining to the Ref when Vera landed body shots, and was still complaining after the judged gifted him the decision.Posted October 4, 2013 4:17 pm
what was that “Ernie”?Posted October 4, 2013 3:24 pm
Tumbo – no Doubt Chavez Cheato Jr. will be Mexicos Boxing Saviour!! ROFLMAO…Posted October 4, 2013 2:23 pm
As long as he’s allowed to use Diueretics and cheat he’ll be just fine.. LOLPosted October 4, 2013 2:22 pm
Rubio, Fredo, Lee, Martinez, Jr. put together a solid run that culminated in a stirring 12th and final round that Martinez may never recover from. his weight issues are the most troubling but when it counted, he made 160lbs v. Martinez. what he hydrates back too is irrelevant and at his own peril. only hissy-pissy boxing-ignorant b****es (e.g., P-Uuuu) pull those stats out of their sloppy c***s to denigrate fighters of a specific ethnicity. of course, with the utter collapse of PR boxing, what else can he continue to piss and moan about . . . “Pe-Ace!”Posted October 4, 2013 2:14 pm
The kid is LAZY, that will never change.Posted October 4, 2013 1:27 pm
ESB Why do I continually get notices implying that I’m repeating my comments when they aren’t being posted to begin with and the site refuses to post them, whether they are posted or not. Is anyone else have this problem??Posted October 4, 2013 1:09 pm
Until Jr. makes up his mind to dedicate himself to the sport, he will never achieve the level of success that he fraudulently strives for.Posted October 4, 2013 11:50 am
TURBO “…paternity test”?? LOLOLOL!!!Posted October 4, 2013 10:06 am
CHAVEZ JR HAS EVERY THING TO BE A GREAT MODERN FIGHTER, HYPE BENT JUDGES AND DRUGS.Posted October 4, 2013 9:50 am
Chavez jr, has crushed the famous name of his father. Junior is only making money off his father. He should retire. He lacks discipline, dedication and dependability. He’s a sad side show, and his father is to blame.Posted October 4, 2013 1:55 am
Brazilian Boxing Fan.., “If Chavez Sr. got into the ring, even today, against Chavez Jr, he would KO his son easily.”
I guess you didn’t see a lot of Chavez Sr’s last fights. He was gone.Posted October 4, 2013 1:54 am
Chavez jr = bumPosted October 4, 2013 1:27 am
Chavez makes me want to puke, but those judges are even much worse!
Klitschko-Povetkin judge on probation?! Will be wearing an electronic ankle bracelet?! Does that tell us something about boxing judges? I think the name was Ted Gimza…………….anyone read about this? I think the judges for the Chavez/Vera fight should be wearing ankle braclets!Posted October 4, 2013 12:45 am
Chavez when he was at his best vs say Rubio or Lee probably beats Bika but Bika is a very tough fighter who earned a belt later in his career, kind of a paper title career achievement hand out but none the less he is dangerous
If he fights like he did vs Vera he loses, and as far as complaining goes Bika is a dirty fightr and does use his head and clinches plenty and can make it ugly, Chavez will have to throw in combination and be busier and impose himself and be more of a 2 handed fighterPosted October 4, 2013 12:42 am
Skills suggests Jnr has more than one.
I think he has a left hook and that is it.
Unless whining is a skill.Posted October 4, 2013 12:16 am
Chavez Sr. KNOWS that Jr.’s time is running out before he has to face the bigger boys. ANY 168 could run Jr. out of the business IF he doesn’t take advice from Sr. Could it be that Jr. may be already reached his ceiling in terms of skills??Posted October 4, 2013 12:03 am
It’s loser fights like this that are killing boxing. Out of shape, overweight dill weed awarded a decision because some judges are swayed by promoter money. Caca!Posted October 3, 2013 11:44 pm
I agree with LikeIseeit! Bika is tough as nails and can crack really hard. Not the best fundamental fighter but I feel he would punish Jr really bad.Posted October 3, 2013 11:20 pm
If I was Chavez Snr I wouldn`t want to see imporvement.
I`d want to see a paternity test.Posted October 3, 2013 11:17 pm
What Chavez jr needs is the taste defeat, that’s his only chance to start I mproving as a boxer or fighter and be respected. Eventually he will run out of luck or the help of judges and it will happen. Than he will either make a real effort to improve or he will give up after 1 or 2 more defeats. I would bet on the latter. He is a spoiled brat, doesn’t have the heart. He has talent, not as much as his father had, but he has the tools to be potentially a great fighter. He will never be as great as his father though…which actually might be his other issue besides being a brat. Carrying the name Chavez is probably both, a blessing and a curse…Posted October 3, 2013 11:12 pm
The author is selling Sakio Bika short. I can’t see Chavez getting past him either.Posted October 3, 2013 11:08 pm
Chavez Sr is a Legend because he worked hard…Chavez Jr is a joke because he don’t understand why he’s boxing and what to stand for.Posted October 3, 2013 10:20 pm
I noticed in the Martinez fight that Jr doesn’t listen to Sr. What a shame too, because that man knows a little something about boxing! haha. I thought Jr couldve boxed smarter against Martinez and couldve won under his father. What a shame.Posted October 3, 2013 6:55 pm
Sr. Should save face and say Vera Beat his son wholly and completely.Posted October 3, 2013 5:59 pm
Brazilian Boxing Fan
If Chavez Sr. got into the ring, even today, against Chavez Jr, he would KO his son easily.Posted October 3, 2013 5:56 pm
Arum wants to see a rematch in December? What about Chavez’s weight problem? Oh I know, they’ll make the fight at 168. No, 170. No, 173. No, 178. No, 180. Oh, just pick a number! They’ll just pick a weight after they step into the ring.
Meanwhile, Vera beat up a bigger, less-skilled man then got robbed of his rightful victory. Vera and Shields should be protesting the decision. I really don’t understand why they are not.Posted October 3, 2013 5:37 pm
Really?? I would’ve never guessed LOLPosted October 3, 2013 5:10 pm
Sr. should ground Jr. and take away his weed until Jr. shapes up. In fact, taking away Jr.’s weed, his munchies and his video game console might be the only way to get improvement out of Jr. The kid needs to go to a combination rehab/boot camp/boxing gym for his next camp. He needs a counselor, a drill sergeant, and a boxing trainer all working with him at the same time. They could even film a reality show about it and air it in Mexico.Posted October 3, 2013 3:58 pm
He won’t. People respond to incentives. And if Junior can continue to party, screw around, and not train and still win fights because Daddy is a legend that gave him a name, he’ll continue to be an underachiever. period.Posted October 3, 2013 3:33 pm
Marmalizer – Wilfredo Vasquez Jr. is the only Jr. in recent years that has actually shown inherited Boxing Skills..Posted October 3, 2013 3:14 pm
right t-can…it’s not his trainers that don’t know the science, it’s the kid that’s not listening not training properly, his name can only take him this far the rest he will hAve to do in the ring from now onPosted October 3, 2013 3:00 pm
If you can’t stay in shape, and don’t like doing the work to get in shape, find something else to do.Posted October 3, 2013 2:52 pm
But Chavez Jr isn’t even as good as his dad was.. He lacks skills.. In that case, you work hard on specific weaknesses.
If you can’t jab… you dance around a huge heavy bag left and right. As you circle the bag, crack it with hundreds of fast jabs from the longest range possible. When your arm tires, rest for several minutes and repeat the process. In 2 or 3 years you can make that heavy bag sing any tune you want with just a jab … and you’ll also have a jab.
If your stance sucks… you spend a few weeks with Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweather Sr—until you grasp every concept possible on a correct stance. You actually need to understand the science. If your footwork sucks you do likewise.
If you can’t defend… you should have sparring partners throw blizzards of light, fast punches at you. All you do is block, parry, slip, duck, roll, and deflect their flurries, but also tie them up in spots. Do 6 rounds of that before your regular sparring sessions. Drills become skills in time. It takes months to see progress. Skills don’t fall out of the sky—but they do pay the bills once you acquire them.Posted October 3, 2013 2:48 pm
By the time you get to Chavez jr’s age you either have good work ethic instilled in you or not. Jr, doesn’t like staying in shape, and doesn’t like getting into shape either, it’s too much work. Still for what it’s worth he’s done well, and better than I ever thought he would do. Stick a fork in him, he’s done…Posted October 3, 2013 2:46 pm
Roy Jones Jr was 100 times as good as his father. So is Floyd Jr. Of course Floyd’s dad was 3 X as good as Roy’s dad.Posted October 3, 2013 2:43 pm
Mick the Marmalizer
Apart from Floyd Mayweather Jr I can’t think of an offspring that’s crack it! (Maybe Ray Mancini). Bob Fitzsimmons boy flunked it as did Hector Camacho’s, Joe Bugner’s & Joe Frazier’s. I guess time will tell with Chris Eubank & Steve Collins lad’s but I can’t see it.Posted October 3, 2013 1:21 pm
“Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. wasn’t altogether pleased with what he saw from his son former WBC middleweight champion Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.” That’s an interesting way of putting it.Posted October 3, 2013 1:18 pm
Junior is a disgrace!!Posted October 3, 2013 1:07 pm
After 50 fights, he wants improvement? Chavez Jr is a limited fighter. He is strong, but not technically smart.Posted October 3, 2013 12:44 pm
Jr. is a young kid, he lives to a large degree off the success of daddy! Once he realizes that life would have been different without pops’ success, then he’ll realize if this (being a professional prizefighter) is something he wants to do for the rest of his life and be be successful at.Posted October 3, 2013 12:37 pm
All for what??????, big money fightsPosted October 3, 2013 12:27 pm
If you want to be realistic it’s not Chavez jr fault that he got that gift after catching an ass whooping, the fact that he complained after sucked but in reality it’s the boxing buisness fault their the ones that don’t care that two men risk their life in that ring and still rob one of their winPosted October 3, 2013 12:27 pm