It’s Me, Ernie
It could have been a great fight and career defining for both fighters if Lennox had the proper amount of training beforehand, a couple of weeks just doesn’t cut it at that level…Posted October 11, 2013 11:30 am
Hidalgo.., Talk to Bears.. I generally don’t like to take time to post stuff you can look at yourself.Posted October 11, 2013 1:50 am
It’s Me, Ernie
It’s right here, you can see the foul between all of Vitali’s clinching:
youtube.com/watch?v=wtdOteT5G0QPosted October 11, 2013 12:10 am
Tark? Where’ that clip that you and Bears claim shows proof Lewis cut Wlad’s eye by fouling him?Posted October 10, 2013 10:59 pm
Collazo has never been beaten badly in a fight, too slick of a Boxer.. I think you’re confusing Collazo with MargaCheato, now that bastrd was beaten to within an inch of his Cheating life… Collazo just got himself a nice win by beating an undefeated Mexican fighter 2 weeks back..Posted October 10, 2013 4:01 pm
Tark – No he didn’t.. Sorry..actually Collazo did better vs a prime juiced up Mosely then Canelo did vs an old non-juiced up Mosely.. just go to Youtube and refreshen your memory… LOLPosted October 10, 2013 3:59 pm
Public E… Nope!!! Shane Mosley boxed the piss out of Luis Collazo.. Collazo was NEVER in the fight.. Check the scores.. Collazo did beat Hatton into a Pizza Face—but he never bothered Mosley.
Mosley never considered retiring…
Shane is a money fighter. You put the money on the table and Shane shows up. He beat Cheato Margarito to death and knocked him TFO … That was long after he schooled Collazo … and the performance won Shane the Mayweather fight.Posted October 10, 2013 3:14 pm
BEARS! WHERE ARE YOU? I WANT TO SEE THAT “PROOF” THAT YOU HAVE WHICH SHOWS THAT LEWIS “THUMBED” KLITSCHKO’S EYE!Posted October 10, 2013 11:39 am
“Be careful Hidalgo what you wish for. The slo-mo view clearly shows it was a foul by Lewis.”
I’d still like to see it Ernie, because I can’t see it in anything I’ve viewed to date.
Tark, do you have the link to that clip that Bears sent you?Posted October 10, 2013 11:21 am
Shane Mosley beat Luis Collazo with ease… Total wipeout.
Collazo was terrible, but he did beat Hatton solidly.. He shaded Berto.Posted October 10, 2013 1:28 am
Public enemy – I agree and he was still hyped as a best ww … Wich I never belived for a sec .
Hamster.., Lewis needed to be physically bigger and stronger vs Johnson as well… So he was well prepared when Vitali was named as a late sub. Nobody ever outboxed Vitali so you have to force a brawl.. It was the only way to win.. You need to beat down Kirk Johnson as well and that takes size, strength, and power.
Boswell was a was totally different opponent than Lewis, so Vitali was far less ready. However he jumped out to an early lead and LL had to change tactics and go after him much harder, which he was big and strong enough to do. But that is also an exhausting way to fight and he was blowng his wad rapidly.
The stoppage was good because the cuts were deep and jagged. However it should have been a scorecard tabulation because of the illegal contact that caused all of the cuts, calling for the boxer winning on the scorecards at the time of the stoppage to win the fight.Posted October 9, 2013 11:23 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Fair enough Adrian…Posted October 9, 2013 11:04 pm
Lol they were trying so much to hype andre berto but he failed them against Ortiz and got really exposed against Sotto Karas now Thurman is fighting Karas who exposed a hype job Andre berto that supposed to be a future of ww lol and when Thurman will stop Karas the haters will say he just beat nobody lol ….Posted October 9, 2013 10:51 pm
Uma Thurman is a better fighter than KeithPosted October 9, 2013 10:49 pm
Sredmond = lomis — I already answered you once …Posted October 9, 2013 10:45 pm
ADRIAN. are you a shareholder in keith Thurman promotions , or are you just head over heels in love with the man???. my granny has as much right to be in a ring with Floyd mayweather as keith Thurman!! keith still has his L plates up and until such time that beats some of the top 147 fighters then he cant be mentioned in the same breath as Floyd mayweather. whats next….is the Floyd haters going to pay some looney scientist to build an 147 pound Frankenstein to beat Floyd?? or a hunchback of notre dam..THE BELLS , THE BELLS.Posted October 9, 2013 10:25 pm
I went down to beat street to ask about the Lion King – and the guys chillin on the street there told me that was the name of the cross-dressing whoopsie on the corner who`ll tickle your nuts for $5.
Damn….how much pork-rod have you taken Squared?Posted October 9, 2013 10:13 pm
@TARK “@Hidalgo.., Lewis, like Foreman, fought much better when he was heavier.. Lewis even said he absorbed punches better and was a lot stronger at 250 than when he was around 230.. Steward also thought it helped him when he bulked up.
That’s why he averaged over 250 for his last 6 fights or so. You don’t fool with the Heavyweight Championship because it’s worth millions of dollars.. You would be in the best shape possible so you could keep that treasure.. You also need to withstand rigorous training and head shots from multiple sparring partners.”
How do you explain then that the next heaviest Lewis ever weighed was 253lbs vs Rahman in their first fight – at a time when he had been filming a movie with Wlad until two weeks before rather than training properly?
Meanwhile when he took the training seriously for the rematch he was 6 1/2 lbs lighter?
Lewis clearly had form for being underprepared and overweight in fights he didn`t take seriously.
The commentators passed comment in both Rahman I and Vitali fights about Lewis looking tired early.
I wouldn`t particularly use it to excuse Lewis’s performance, Vitali boxed well against him, but it`s out there as a potential factor that you can`t just dismiss because you have just Tarked it.Posted October 9, 2013 10:09 pm
It’s me earnie – yes that’s true vitaly never faced the likes of Lewis before but also Lewis never faced the like of vitaly before either and it showed because off the first time in Lewis carrier he was behind the scorecard and went life and death with vitaly… You have ever see Lewis struggle big time like that ,skill wise strength wise , size and overall like he did against Vitaly!Posted October 9, 2013 10:01 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Be careful Hidalgo what you wish for. The slo-mo view clearly shows it was a foul by Lewis. As far as Klit being winded at the end of a couple rounds, the other lacerations he rec’d legally from Lewis, and his overlook of frustration told a bigger story than the foul did.
“Hidalgo.., You better put your computer glasses on and watch it again.”
I have Tark. Several times. Do you have a link to the video clip that Bears provided to you? I’ll admit I’m wrong if I see it, but not before then.Posted October 9, 2013 8:40 pm
“That weight and physical strength helped Lewis tons.”
Yes, just like the overall size, weight and strength has helped the Klitschkos to beat significantly smaller opponents in fight after fight after fight.Posted October 9, 2013 8:37 pm
Tark – agree only those who don’t know boxing especially at hw think that a haveyweight should come always at a same weight in their entire carrier … For each fight they train differently ,example if they think they need to have an extra power and the speed Would not be needed as much then they train add more weight training box against havey sparing partener etc… So it all depends what kind of opponents they face to train specific for that fight .
That’s why wlad came in lighter in last fight but havier in the fight against wachPosted October 9, 2013 8:36 pm
The bottom line.., Lewis was training for months for a Heavyweight Championship fight… Vitali was training for a walkover opponent until he was asked to substitute for Kirk Johnson.
By the way… Kirk Johnson also thought extra weight was going to help him against Klitschko… At least that’s what he told people… In his case he overdid it a little and it hurt more than it helped.
But Foreman swore by it… He thought he was much better heavy.Posted October 9, 2013 7:57 pm
@Hidalgo.., Lewis, like Foreman, fought much better when he was heavier.. Lewis even said he absorbed punches better and was a lot stronger at 250 than when he was around 230.. Steward also thought it helped him when he bulked up.
That’s why he averaged over 250 for his last 6 fights or so. You don’t fool with the Heavyweight Championship because it’s worth millions of dollars.. You would be in the best shape possible so you could keep that treasure.. You also need to withstand rigorous training and head shots from multiple sparring partners.
That weight and physical strength helped Lewis tons.Posted October 9, 2013 7:51 pm
Once agains the squared girl sticks his foot in his mouth again. He will quote anybody’s post interview and says its truth but when Floyd said he was 146 when he woke up fight night you have had to been in the same room as him when he weighed himself in the morning. But if anybody else like let’s say Trout who in his post fight interview wasn’t complaining about the loss in front of everybody but later in other interviews he says he thought he won but said it was close enough to go the other way, the judges had it to far apart, that was a lie, we have to go with what he said in the ring. Once again it’s so easy to prove his theories wrongPosted October 9, 2013 7:15 pm
Once agains the squared girl sticks his foot in his mouth again. He will quote anybody’s post interview and says its truth but when Floyd said he wPosted October 9, 2013 7:12 pm
Adrian, whats your CASE for Keith Thurman??? Which wins have put him over the top for you?? Ring Mag has Thurman rated as #8 at this point.. Under Marquez who Mayweather DUSTED Pacquiao, Kell Brook, Tim Bradley, and Devon Alexander, Robert Guerrero who Mayweather already beat…And Broner who Mayweather has a personal relationship with… SOOOOOOO how is it that Thurman who has NO FAN following nor is at the upper end of the division is the man to get… Are you having another one of your wet dreams where the comparitively SLOW Thurman catches Floyd with a haymaker? Why does Thurman rank above all these other fighters besides an IMPOTENT ESB poster with a semi-female name (Adrian) liking him and his cornrows? I like Thurmans development but he does NOT bring enough to the table to warrant a Mayweather shot and EVERYONE KNOWS it who ACTUALLY knows boxing… Floyds fights have to SELL and Thurman cannot sell out an icecream stand
Thurman is a geniuine ww and not Garcia ..I know Thurman dosent have a bigger name then Garcia or the resume but I know boxing real good to know who is a great talent and time will show that Thurman will clean his devision BUT I am afraid he is going to have tough time getting the top guys to fight him because their coaches and promoters know they will lose but sooner or later they will have to face him because he will be there undefited… But I am 100% sure I can guarantee you mayweather will never fight him no matter what becAuse he knows
and btw why personal attacks sredmond eh ? Semi female name ?hahahaha … At least I put my real name in here…. You just insulted your hero Adrian broner lol …
Also Tark, in all fairness, Vitali hadn’t been training to fight Lewis either, he was actually going to be on the undercard of the Lewis/Johnson fight in a fight with Boswell.Posted October 9, 2013 6:22 pm
“…and Vitali had no clue he was going to fight at all..”
Not exactly, Adrian. According to Lotierzo who’s article I just quoted, Lotierzo also wrote, “As for Klitschko, he was training to fight Cedric Boswell when he confronted Lewis on the same short notice that Lennox had.Posted October 9, 2013 6:21 pm
Hidalgo “Not to mention that Lewis took the fight with only two weeks notice, was out of shape and overweight, coming into the fight at more than 256 lbs. Even George Foreman who was one of the analysts for the fight, said Lewis wasn’t in good shape. Plus, he was 37 years old when he beat Vitali who was 32. ”
Hidalgo.., “Not to mention that Lewis took the fight with only two weeks notice.”
Lewis had been training for a World Heavyweight Championship Fight for months… Vitali had only 2 weeks to get ready for a World Heavyweight Championship Fight..
Let’s not be disingenuous about the circumstances.. VK had 2 weeks to be ready for the most important fight of his life to that point. LL was already in deep preparation for a super important fight.Posted October 9, 2013 3:44 pm
“Lewis knew he would catch a very bad beating from a badly PO’d Vitali.”
How would you know that, Tark? Besides, if they would have had a rematch you can bet Lewis would be very ready for their second fight.
You’re a big Klitschko proponent so there’s nothing anyone can say that will sway you. You claim Lewis opened the gash over Vitali’s eye with an open-handed glove that raked across his brow. I saw a clean straight right nail Vitali on his left eyebrow at the beginning of the third round, and the slo-mo replay didn’t indicate otherwise.
Regardless, there’s no way Vitali’s eye would have survived six more rounds. It was almost ground beef by the end of the sixth and Lewis was working hard on it in every way he could.
Vitali threw a spectacular fit after the fight was stopped, storming across the ring to Lewis’ corner, badgering him for a rematch. But Lewis, who came into the fight unprepared and out of shape won.
Everything else is just speculation.Posted October 9, 2013 3:04 pm
“Vitali had a BROKEN HEART, STITCHES and a LOSS on his record…”
That gash over Vitali’s eye was so big I could swim in it. In fact, Vit had cuts above and below his left eye and it was deteriorating round by round. No calls were made against Lewis for illegal punches that some think caused that gash, so he beat Vitali fair and square. By stoppage.
Not to mention that Lewis took the fight with only two weeks notice, was out of shape and overweight, coming into the fight at more than 256 lbs. Even George Foreman who was one of the analysts for the fight, said Lewis wasn’t in good shape. Plus, he was 37 years old when he beat Vitali who was 32.
Sure, Vitali clearly was ahead on points when the fight was stopped but Lewis did the damage he needed to do to win the fight. On two weeks notice.Posted October 9, 2013 2:56 pm
No need to a ‘super heavywieght’ division, lets just create a ‘Klitscho’ division, that way some fat and/or largely talentless ‘regular’ heavyweights can win the belts….
Lewis tried to get another fight with Tyson after the Vitali fight… He was ordered to fight Vitali next.. Vitali was his mandatory.. Lewis knew he would catch a very bad beating from a badly PO’d Vitali.
People say Roy Jones should have retired after he recieved an unjustified victory over an angry Antonio Tarver—after having ducked Tarver for years and year… After all, Roy was “undefeated” in 50 fights.
At least Roy had the courage to face someone better and get CRUSHED!!!Posted October 9, 2013 2:25 pm
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Lennox Chicken Lewis was a coward.Posted October 9, 2013 12:19 pm
Vitali retired Lewis by LOSING and giving Lewis 000000 incentive to get back in the ring… Lewis had his belts Championships etc… Vitali had a BROKEN HEART, STITCHES and a LOSS on his record…What a BETTER way to retire than Klitschko who will retire a distant #2 to his at times glass chinned little bro…. Lewis retired the Undisputed Champ LAST man to do it!!!@ HOLLLLLLLAAAAAAPosted October 9, 2013 11:44 am
At Jr MW Floyd Mayweather has defeated 2 of the Top 3 154 pounders in the World according to Ring Mag… Canelo and Cotto…BOTH were Champions and UNDEFEATED at the weight before the got in the ring with Floyd Mayweather…. There is NOTHING left to prove these men will have to fight it out and if a BIG fight emerges perhaps they can set the stage for another battle/loss to FMJ…. I did NOT see Gennady Golovkin ranked at 154 why is that??? Ohhhhhhhh he is ranked at 160!! Gotcha interview, “GGG have you ever fought professionally at 154″ answer NO, “GGG do you plan to campaign there in an effort to secure a Mayweather bout” No I want a free ride”….”GGG are there a number of boxers ranked ABOVE you at 154 since you don’t fight there” “Yes they all are but I want a free ride” “GGG are you the Ring Champ at MW” “No thats Sergio Martinez” “GGG who is your best win” “Matthew Macklin” “GGG didn’t Sergio Martinez knock him out shortly before you” “Yes but I want credit for being the first”….”GGG who are some of your other opponents?? “Stevenson, Ouma, Rosado, and Ishida” GGG are those guys players at 160….???? “No I was padding my resume, but I want to fight Floyd Mayweather despite this” “GGG do you know that Mayweather EASILY makes WW and weighed in at 146 when he faced Robert Guerrero the fight prior to Canelo” “Yes but I think you can ONLY show you are a terrific MW/160 pounder by chasing WW’s 147 pounders….. GGG I think its time you get real, pay your dues and start beating some real comp in your OWN weight class… You are right SREDMOND thanks for the tutorialPosted October 9, 2013 11:41 am
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Vitali retired Lewis period.Posted October 9, 2013 11:33 am
Adrian, whats your CASE for Keith Thurman??? Which wins have put him over the top for you?? Ring Mag has Thurman rated as #8 at this point.. Under Marquez who Mayweather DUSTED Pacquiao, Kell Brook, Tim Bradley, and Devon Alexander, Robert Guerrero who Mayweather already beat…And Broner who Mayweather has a personal relationship with… SOOOOOOO how is it that Thurman who has NO FAN following nor is at the upper end of the division is the man to get… Are you having another one of your wet dreams where the comparitively SLOW Thurman catches Floyd with a haymaker? Why does Thurman rank above all these other fighters besides an IMPOTENT ESB poster with a semi-female name (Adrian) liking him and his cornrows? I like Thurmans development but he does NOT bring enough to the table to warrant a Mayweather shot and EVERYONE KNOWS it who ACTUALLY knows boxing… Floyds fights have to SELL and Thurman cannot sell out an icecream standPosted October 9, 2013 11:30 am
Te Tumbo- 2013 is a memorable year for Tex-Mex boxing, but more for Public Enemy than for you. All your future stars (Mares, Ríos, Canelo, Chavez, Angulo, Arreola…) took a step back or fell off the wagon, except for Santa Cruz, and that’s just a matter of time, the way he fights. And the pain is not over. And don’t kill PR boxing just yet, there’s plenty of good kids coming up in all ranks. Plus who’s going to fill the void in your life if all of a sudden you have nothing to mess PE about?Posted October 9, 2013 11:29 am
Floyd Mayweather is a VIRTUOSO boxer who stands RIGHT in front of his opponents, makes them miss and then efficiently counters… He is MORE flatfooted than ever over the past 2 years and its a THING OF BEAUTY to watch is foes swing at air and hit nothing but shoulders and elbows… To hear WIMPS like “Griping Queen” and Adrian discuss his dismantling their lastest answer for his skills is SHEER JOY!! NOW these two DOLTS are touting Keith Thurman who NOBODY is even discussing as a Mayweather opponent beside them… While sitting at home tweezing eachothers PUBES these two nutless fools decided that the inexperienced, undecorated Thurman is the ANSWER to the thier issues along with resume padder and free lunch seeking Gennady Golovkin…For years Mayweather fans and boxing experts have BENT these sorts over the Pommel Horse and had our way with them as this ATG fighter continues unreal reign of dominance…. Well get ready boys we have you DOWN and we are gonna keep you there, size 12.5′s on the backs of your necks and verbal lashings to follow… PURE fun…!Posted October 9, 2013 11:22 am
Adrian, we all KNOW that Pacquiao story let me ask you this EVEN outside of Mayweather when is the last time Manny Pacquiao fought a boxer who was NOT with Top Rank?? Oscar De La Hoya? how many bouts ago was that? 6 or 7…… As for Keith Thurman explain to me why he is “worthy of a Mayweather shot more than Danny Garcia”…. Garcia is the PROVEN TOP 140 pounder in the World looking to move up he just beat the BIGGEST puncher at the weight and put him down, he is YOUNG, UNDEFEATED and was showcased on the FMJ undercard so his profile is rising… Whats Keith Thurman like GGG’s claim to fame? These guys are just moving along fighting guys they are SUPPOSED to beat…”Keith Thurman” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!Posted October 9, 2013 11:11 am
Adrian, I am LOSING respect because the man is in FULL pursuit of a WW… You say “hes calling out the best” OK we know the Floyds the BEST but NOT in a division that Golovkin fights in… Would you support Floyd “calling out the BEST at 135″ even though he ACTALLY fought there before?…… Golovkin is calling out the BEST paycheck but the man does NOT wanna EARN anything, he is facing WEAK competitors and asking REAL boxing fans to believe this hype… I have watched guys with padded resumes for YEARS there is NOTHING about this fighter on paper that merits him getting REAL consideration… He is NOT even willing to campaign at 154 in order to really ramp up the pressure… Guerrero wanted Mayweather and he went to 147 and beat 2 WORLD CLASS boxers one of whom was a 2 time WW Champion and did it in BRUTAL fashion… What has GGG done at 154???? NOTHING he wants to beat 5″7 Stevenson and weak guys like Ouma, Ishida on a losing streak and Rosada and then get a Red Carpet walk to Mayweather ahead of fighters like Danny Garcia? thats CRAZY and that fact its NOT happening is simply the sport functioning in the correct manner…. If GGG wants to be “The Man” at 160 he needs to get Sergio Martinez outta there…Posted October 9, 2013 11:07 am
It’s Me, Ernie
We are fight fans here, but just take a minute and look at Floyd as a businessman. There’s not many better than him, especially in the sport. I am the first one to say that Floyd is not exciting to watch, he runs and is not often in a good bout. The excitement factor isn’t there since he would rather run than exchange.
Square — floyed fans as soon they see any threat for their hero they attack that threat non stop …an example is Vivek who bashes Thurman in every chance he get …Vivek as a die hard of floyed makes you wonder why he goes after Thurman when Thurman was spectacular so far and has no losses …hmmmPosted October 9, 2013 10:09 am
Oh and btw floyed didn’t fight Canelo at 154 but 152 that win to me means nothing just as a PAC win against cotto at catch weight … Catch weights for me are corrupt fights!!Posted October 9, 2013 9:48 am
Sredmond you are full of sh&!!! Lol you are losing a lot of respect for him? Lol I don’t know you had any respect before for him … And why ? Just because he is calling out the best like Martinez and mayweather ??? If you don’t want to see him fight mayweather thinking is not fair because he is bigger the floyed and will beat your hero then don’t try to bash him you hypocrit ! No worries ggg is there to fight and he will take care of everyone who they put in front of him and then hopefully you might “respect ” him again. … L ol yeah right …Posted October 9, 2013 9:43 am
Thurman is a real deal and time will prove me right … I would love to see him fight that spoiled brat broner first and knock him out cold then take care mayweather too ….Posted October 9, 2013 9:36 am
Sredmond- mayweather didn’t have to stay in 154 to get beaten he can get beaten at 147 just
The Lion King went on RECORD yesterday discussing how terrible GGG’s bext opponent is YET he then wants to sell us on how this positions him for a title shot against one of the best boxers in history while sporting a weight advantage??? Look at the resume of Andre Ward by the time he had reached this number of fights, Floyd had ALREADY defeated Genaro Hernandez and beat the hell out of the 130 pound weight class…GGG reminds me of thes HW’s who wanna stay safe fighting SOFT comp in hopes of landing an undeserved title shot… At least Canelo rid GBP let me fight the best young guy available in my division for a unification to show I have real skills…. What’s GGG doing? Fighting weak opponents like Stevenson and saying “nobody wants to fight me” this man must pay his dues, he wants things his WAY and it ain’t happening with elite fighters… Martinez fought from 147 to 160 before he got his breaks against Pavlik and Williams… GGG wants to cherry pick at 160 and then seek out WW’s I’m losing respect for this guy… He’s backwardPosted October 9, 2013 9:28 am
Lion Queen, when are you gonna understand that Floyd Mayweather NEVER has to fight at 154 AGAIN if he chooses to not to?? Just because you and the other LOW level intellects have somehow decided his best chance of losing comes above 147… Mayweather NEVER signed a contract saying “all my bouts will be at 154 from henceforth”….You keep making this WEAK case that Golovkins a “154 pounder” but he’s NEVER fought there… Well we are gonna make the STRONG case that Floyd’s a WW because he has fought that weight or UNDER 42 times…. These are points of fact that cannot be disputed, and when he DID fight at 154 he faced FARRRRRR more decorated Champions than Golovkin ie Unified 154 pound Champ Canelo Alvarez, 3 divisions World Champion and HOFer Miguel Cotto, as well as 10 time World Champion and 6 weight Champ Oscar De La Hoya..You gonna bore us with GGG’s amateur exploits ???? That crap don’t count after almost 30 pro fights.. And if Floyd was gonna face a MW it should be the ACTUAL Champion Sergio Martinez and NOT some overhyped belt holder with Heavy Hands and a padded resume… Klitschko, Leonard and others came back after injuries… Maravilla deserves to lose his titles in the ring NOT the message board…Posted October 9, 2013 9:20 am
The desert grounds
Turb0-H@mster Your right I would love to see Mork handle Tark. He is a windbag. A fat one too lol !!!!!Posted October 9, 2013 8:12 am
Public Enemy – the difference is Cotto is a legitimate JMW who has been campagning there for over two years now. Floyd is a WW who woke up @146lbs and had to eat to make 150lbs on fight night vs Canelo, also Floyd is coming from 130lbs. I believe Cotto would do in Canelo without the catchweight, You underestimate Cotto and just because he lost to Pac & Floyd that does not make him any lesser of a champion among many of us who still like and respect him. If his brother rocked Canelo what do you think Miguel will do to him. Skills pays the bills.Posted October 9, 2013 7:27 am
Don’t make Floyd a scapegoat just cause you lack the understanding of boxing as a business model not a sport. Floyd Maywrather has made best of a f…..d up situation. Did Pac do everything possible to make that fight or did he simply refuse and had inhouse fights that benefitted Top Rank, HBO and him the most without fighting his closest rival. Now his taking the same tests which he refused to take when the deal was on offer.Margarito was a cheater who couldn’t KO a cab driver without his plasters, Mosley had a toothache, and ODH thaught Floyd wasn’t popular enough. Do you realise that Gatti received a bigger cheque than Mayweather as he was considered a bigger draw than Floyd but Floyd showed you the gab in the skills set and those casual fans witnessed the difference.Posted October 9, 2013 7:17 am
Public Enemy – you just full of it, if Pac picked on a damaged Cotto back how is Cotto now. You get rooled once by caregul matchmaking by Top Stink and you’re aready placing Cotto on a pedestal only for him to get knocked off then excuses will start pilling up again. Miguel has enjoyed a great career let him make some moola and retire, vs Canelo, Martinez @154lbsPosted October 9, 2013 7:01 am
funny when guys like hamster speaking of `showing respect`. how ironic!Posted October 9, 2013 4:42 am
Turb0-H@mster = Gonzo = Mork
it’s really quite obvious at this point…Posted October 9, 2013 4:08 am
PUBLIC ENEMY, it would,nt matter what weight cotto fought pacquiao at, cottos just too flat footed and defensively flawed to beat him. simple as.Posted October 9, 2013 4:07 am
tark do you go both ways ? friggin funny !Posted October 9, 2013 1:19 am
:-)Posted October 9, 2013 12:25 am
Al bundy there are a lot of Americans who think wilder is the next coming but they are quit now because klitchkos are still around just wait when klitchkos retire how everyone will come out and say wilder is the best and would have killed klitchko lolPosted October 9, 2013 12:06 am
Farmboxer, there are few people in US think Wilder is the “next coming”, JUST FEW… those people consist of some confused preschool teachers and some sport commentators, when they have nothing to say. Wlad today does not connect with Americans due to he does not behave life one. Most Americans work the asses of in their jobs and come home and want to relax and see some show. PROFESSIONAL BOXING for us is a show. Kobe Bryant, Lakers is a show. Almost any European basketball team is a sport. Today they won, tomorrow they loose, then loose again, then win again – boring, but is sport. Professional Boxing is a brutal sport and show and a job. The spectators, who come and watch, they do not want to know what Wlad needs tomorrow, does he want to have an ice-cream for breakfast or coffee. They, we want him to put up the show. ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR. F…K. WE ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT… That’s the thing with disappointment toward Wlad. By the way, I am his fan and especially Vitaliy, I wish them well and consider them the best boxers ever (it is my opinion), but I want the show. That’s Ok, if there won’t be one. That’s why I will watch Lakers instead. See, my point? By the way, I think the fight was bad also due to Povetkin’s good defense and abilities, but again Wlad could nicely close the show. He did not.Posted October 8, 2013 11:40 pm
SRMINIMO, you missed a recent bulletin in which it was confirmed that “It’s me, Ernie” IS actually Public Enema or the other way around. accordingly, the multiposting douche deserves the object lesson of mockery that i’m delivering. i’m not even trying to disguise my true identity. only rubbing his face in the puddle of vomit and diarrhea he first began to dump back in 2012 when Segura, Arce, and Salido buried PR boxing for good (lol). otherwise, Mares, Canelo, Garcia, Rios, Alvarado, etc. figure to make 20Trece another memorable year for Chicano-Mexicano boxing. Raza doesn’t fear losing only of not being able to compete for the top spots v. the top fighters. EVERY true fight-fan knows that about Mexican fighters. conversely, Cotto has become a bottom-feeder hoping for a handout but Canelo isn’t giving anything up for free and Cotto’s lease at 154lbs has just about expired. Canelo is anxious to bumrush him clear out of his division if not boxing altogether. at which point, Cotto will join Calderon, Salido, Rosado, and RoMono on the scrap heap of PR boxing.Posted October 8, 2013 11:29 pm
Who is Canelo going to fight now???
Cotto is headed for a Martinez fight.. He doesn’t want to fight Trout again.. He doesn’t want to fight Golovkin.. Quillin has a stinky fight set up with punching bag Rosado.. Admittedly Golovkin is fighting some 2nd grade opponents because the best guys won’t fight him. Canelo has sparred a few rounds with GGG and is just very unlikely to fight him.
The question remains.. Who is “Boxing’s biggest star” going to fight now? … The answer.. Probably somebody very easy to keep busy. It’s funny to see a bunch of good fighters at one weight — all fighting a bunch of bad fighters.Posted October 8, 2013 11:28 pm
It’s me, Public Ernie- Wassup Te Tumbo. Don’t want to use your real name because 2013 is looking far worse for Mexican boxing than 2012 looked for PR?Posted October 8, 2013 10:37 pm
“Hidalgo WTF” you’re probably that loser nameless. Either way, your not the site moderator. Besides thatI don’t owe you squat, Your queston makes no sense. You’re an idiot.Posted October 8, 2013 10:07 pm
Vlad “is” the most talented heavyweight on the planet, but he has been hated by American boxing press since he won the gold medal and the hatred is not just provincial………….I, and so many others, know the “real” reason Vitali and Vlad are hated, to the extreme, in America. Right now, Wilder is worshiped in America. He is ranked #3 by WBC without fighting anyone who is ranked, not top ten, 20, 30 40, ad infinitum. When Vlad knocked Austin out, using only his left hand with five left hooks that were very quick, the haters claimed he was the worst heavyweight in the world today. Vlad knocked Thompson out two times, both Thompson and Austin were 6 feet feet 6, not to mention Wach who was 6 feet 8 inches tall, approx. 250. McCline, Vlad TKO’d him in the 10th round easily when McCline was at his peak. Vlad stopped Derrick Jefferson in the second round, both McCline and Jefferson were 6 feet 6 inches tall. Vlad knock out Bostice at MSG, USA. Bostice was 6 feet 5 and many more. All the haters claim that Vlad can only beat short fighters, including a recent article on this page! Compare Vlad’s opponents with Wilder’s! The same people are now claiming that Wilder is superior to Vlad and would knock Vitali and Vlad out easily, however, when Vlad sparred with Wilder while preparing for the Wach fight, Vlad outclassed him, knocked him down with a jab!!!!!!! Can you imagine what would have happened in the ring without head gear, etc.?! Should Vlad fight Sconiers or some other Wilder opponent? Would Americans call Vlad the best then?! Perhaps Vlad should start fighting a bunch of winos. Vlad won the gold medal in the Olympics and so did Povetkin, if they can fight at all, then why did they win the gold? I am sick of the double standard in boxing.
When Bowe was fighting, nobody complained about him being too tall for a heavyweight, no complaints about Lewis being to big for heavyweight, but now when Vitali and Vlad are on top that’s all you hear………..When Lewis clinched, no complaints about him, watch Lewis/Tua and some others. Bowe clinched a lot and Ali did it all the time, not to mention so many others. Again, I know the read reason the Klitschkos are hated in America. Vitali Klitschko Vs. Kirk Johnson sold out at Madison Square Garden during a huge snow storm!!!!!!! Teddy Atlas said that Kirk Johnson would knock Vitali out with one punch! LOL! Atlas has always hated the Klitschkos are has always predicted their loss. Atlas predicted that Povetkin would beat Vlad, yet Vlad knocked Povetkin down 4 times and won every round!!!!!!! If Vlad is the worst heavyweight on the planet and can’t beat anyone, this is certainly strange………..Posted October 8, 2013 9:47 pm
It’s me, Public Ernie
“The great Mexican nation turned the corner on this challenge in recent years with the evolution of fighters like Morales, Marquez, and now Canelo, whom all carried the vintage Mexican style, yet implemented fundamental skills as well. If Puerto Rico doesn’t do this, they will remain in search of “the next”.. Yes and No.. the likes of Salvador Sanchez and “Finito” Lopez were master and accomplished boxer-punchers before the emergence of Morales, Marquez, and Canelo.. Jhonny Gonzalez is another fine boxer-puncher whose combined traditional Mexican ferocity with fundamentally sound boxing skills if not airtight defense.. There have really been only two truly great PR fighters in boxing history: Gomez and Camacho.. Otherwise, they’ve been the deluded recipients of a gift but bogus “rivalry” v. a fighting nation who they’ve never been able to equal in fighting prowess.. In 2012, PR boxing was virtually erased from the map by tough and gritty (but not particularly “great”) Mexican fighters who traveled to hometowns throughout PR to settle their business on the road. PR hasn’t and will never recover.. As PRs constantly b**ch and moan about, they simply don’t have the numbers.. nor do they have an authentic fighting culture that isN’T a promotional contrivance.. At this point, PRs have taken such a beating that they’re considering taking up soccer instead.. After all, they are the only “latino” country without a soccer history and fighting (particularly v. Mexicans) just isn’t their game..Posted October 8, 2013 9:43 pm
no more wt classes please.Posted October 8, 2013 5:33 pm
Hidalgo aint right
I’m switching back my name to “aint right”. Cause it is what it is ;) Certainly “quasi fans” of boxing like this Hidalgo chappy aint right for boxing goin forward, that’s for sure!Posted October 8, 2013 3:57 pm
And by the way, most who know boxing, unlike you clown, rightly believe there are far TOO many divisions anyway. 17 in all!! All this Junior Middle/Super Feather/ Super Middle etc is totally unnecessary and is really just an excuse for the sanction bodies to create more sanctioning fees by having more champions. Case in point; most people are currently calling for a Ward (168-175)-GGG (160-168) showdown. That’s a potential weight difference of 15 pounds between them. And STILL most call it a 50/50! There was just a 16 pound difference between Povetkin and Wlad on Saturday. As said, most people in the know already realise that there are far too many unnecessary divisions, and that less would be good for the sport, yet parasites like you will always be found calling for even more!! Cause you simply don’t have a clue, that’s whyPosted October 8, 2013 3:55 pm
Hidalgo, either ANSWER the question or get off this thread and keave the boxing talk to those who actually have a grasp of the sport you little twerp: If the Klitschkos weren’t dominating like they are, or perhaps if they didn’t even exist, then would you still be crying for a new division?? And if so, based on what unfair matchups that have happened within the last 10 years or so?Posted October 8, 2013 3:45 pm
Ha what a load of tosh about Wlad as expected. :-D Povetkin was the instigator of many of the tangles as he charged in head first. So Wlad was to let him nut him in the ribs or tie him up? It was a duff fight with Pova adding a decent contribution to the borefest. Besides why the love for Vitali? He may be more offensive but they both have similar styles.Posted October 8, 2013 3:28 pm
Cherrypick Your Way To ‘Greatness’
He keeps finding a way because he keeps fighting bums. LMFAO.Posted October 8, 2013 2:46 pm
Listen to NUTCASE Tark diagnosing facial expressions from his rocking chair in the nursing home… Cotto can smile, dance on the moon and get head from the Virgin Mary but he’s gonna always get outboxed by Mayweather… I am a HUGE Cotto fan, he is everything thats terrific about a boxer but whereas Cotto is a HOFER, Mayweather is an ATG arguably the Greatest pure boxer ever seen especially as he gets older and keeps finding a way….Posted October 8, 2013 2:43 pm
That’s why stories on heavyweights get 900 comments — and stories on cruiserweights get 17 comments.
They stink so bad everyone watches them, comments on them, and they make more money than cruiserweights, light heavyweights, middleweights, lightweights, bantamweights, flyweights, and featherweights — and 99% of all the fighters in all the other divisions.Posted October 8, 2013 2:42 pm
maracho.., What exact website are you talking about??? Put up the website because that’s a phony number and you KNOW it.
Vingo was very skinny and weak. He was a beanpole at 189.
You didn’t check out the newspaper archives or boxrec.com.. You want to live in blissful ignorance.
You may be checking some website that hypes Marciano but I checked his “official” website and no weight for that fight is listed.Posted October 8, 2013 2:26 pm
Lennox Lewis 6’5″ 240- 250 longer reach than both KlitsPosted October 8, 2013 2:22 pm
Hidalgo, I agree it is about race with the hidden excuse of size. How big was ? 6′ 5″ 250 pounds, Riddic Bowe 6′ 5″. Goeorge Foreman 6’3.5″ with an 82′ reach longer than both Klits.. Lou Savarese 6’5″ 240 pounds.
It’s the mental attitude… Cotto looked sullen and morose coming into his fights with Mayweather and Trout. He looked like he didn’t really want to be there, especially against Trout. This time he looked excited and upbeat as Hell. It’s something you can’t fake. Maybe it’s the new tats.. They look great.
There’s an old saying, “If you look good, you’ll do good.” On the other hand, if you’re having a bad hair day it will definitely affect your performance.Posted October 8, 2013 2:08 pm
Yes I did just say that. And it’s bloody well true. I’ve been a die hard fan for decades and nobody ever whispered a darn thing about any the size advantage and NFL and NBA nonsense until the Kiitschkos took over. Ever noticed how the heavyweight division is always written off as weak whenever a white fighter dominates it? This is hardly a coincidence.
Just to clarify, I wasn’t accusing you of having a racial agenda if that’s how it came across. However, if you don’t think that there are many out there who do and who use these excuses to discredit the Klitschkos, then I’m sorry but I don’t know what to say.Posted October 8, 2013 2:03 pm
“I’d quickly caution anyone out there who even thinks for a second that this was even a remote indication of what we can expect from him on a higher level.” – Agree with Vivek on Cotto. He looked more physically vibrant than he has in years. I think it’s the fresh start with Roach, who gets his charges in good physical shape. But while I’ve always liked Rodriguez he’s not a top flight opponent.Posted October 8, 2013 1:55 pm
“Amateur” superheavyweights. Ok. Not a good comparison. The super heavyweight division in the amateurs is worse than in the pros as it starts from 201 (I think) to infinity.
Still, two wrongs don’t make a right. As I’ve always said, if the heavyweight division is open-ended, all the weight divisions should be. Rules should be the same for all divisions.Posted October 8, 2013 1:38 pm
“It is a mark of how much respect Wlad had for Povetkin that he resorted to such blatant tactics,”
It was also a mark of how big a deficit in skills that Wlad has.Posted October 8, 2013 1:34 pm
Excuse me, delete “one that used to exist.”Posted October 8, 2013 1:31 pm
“Hidalgo wtf” aren’t you man enough to get your own nick, keep it, and post under that all the time so we know who you are? I mean really, you’re safe. No one can touch you. You’re hiding behind your keyboard in the safety of your mother’s basement.
But to answer your question, I’ve been “crying” for a super heavyweight division long before the first time you ever stepped foot out of your basement and made your first entry into public life. The Klitschkos–and any other boxers as big as they are–are giants who belong in another division–one that used to exist. Remember? Amateur boxing has a super heavyweight division. For a reason!
Both Klitschkos built their “greatness by beating up guys who are significantly smaller than they are. Would it bother you if Mayweather regularly fought guys who were 6 inches shorter than him and/or 30 lbs. lighter than him? You know it would. A host of people throughout the boxing world would be bothered by that. How do I know? Because they don’t want him fighting guys who are only a little bigger than him–like GGG, and Martinez.
BTW basement boy, I have surplus spare time on my hands because I earned it. You, you’re just a little worm who hides in the shadows.Posted October 8, 2013 1:29 pm
Loomis – Go look at the Paquiao photos post fight with Cotto, he looks like the Mummy with his head all bandaged up.. definitely not an EZ fight for Paquiao against a weight drained damaged untrained Cotto..Posted October 8, 2013 1:24 pm
Loomis – Go look at he Paquiao photos post fight with Cotto, he looks like the Mummy with his head all bandaged up.. definitely not an EZ fight for Paquiao against a weight drained damaged untrained Cotto..Posted October 8, 2013 1:23 pm
Loomis – Paquiao fought a recently Damaged Cotto and demanded Cotto starve himself down to 142lbs.. he also knew Cotto had no real Trainer in his camp.. even with that Cotto banged up Paquiao pretty badly leaving his head all bandaged up with a Busted Ear Drum.. I’m sure Cotto would be willing to fight Paquiao at 152lbs no strings attached..Posted October 8, 2013 1:21 pm
Exactly Public EnemyPosted October 8, 2013 1:11 pm
Loomis – wrong Cotto fought MargaCheato first and in that fight Cotto Damaged Margacheato for most of the fight until MargaCheatos Cement Wraps hardened.. sofening him up for Mosely… and if Mosely’s team had not found the Cement Wraps before entering the Ring MargaCheato would’ve done his Cement Wrap Job to Mosely as well… now Cotto retired margacheato in the 2nd Cement Wrap Free fight..Posted October 8, 2013 1:03 pm
PUBLIC ENEMY. you should be well aware that styles make fights!! ie. cotto beat shane who blattered margarita who blattered cotto, in your opinion who was the better fighter???? or try this one…..pacquaio blattered cotto to a standstill, marquez comatosed pacquaio….do you think marquez would beat cotto???Posted October 8, 2013 12:09 pm
maracho.., What do most all websites say about Vingo’s weight when he fought Marciano? They have it 189 pounds. Because that was his weight—a pound more than skinny LHW Bob Foster weighed for Joe Frazier.
Check the newspaper archives and stories written on the weigh-in and the fight. Don’t make up a weight because it makes Rocky sound tougher.Posted October 8, 2013 12:04 pm
Guys crying out for a superheavy weight division are short sighted. There have been very large heavyweights with huge physical advantages since the beginning. They just did not have the skill to excel. Recently Lennox Lewis had similar advantages plus the skills yet I don’t recall a chorus whines to exclude him from fighting as a heavyweight. The heavyweight champion is the baddest man on the planet regardless of size and the title must not change. If anything to placate those who are disturbed by the Kitz Bros. success, created a division between heavywieght and crusierweight and call it the Jr. Heavyweight division, super crusierweight, or some other glorious name.Posted October 8, 2013 11:53 am
Too bad it was Vitali that lost and got his face tore up by Lewis. He is lucky they stopped that fight because Lewis was on his way to a KO win.Posted October 8, 2013 11:50 am
Vitali put the final nail in Lewis’ coffin. Lewis is a CHEATER!!!!!!Posted October 8, 2013 11:46 am
Loomis – How would Canelo do against Sergio Martinez??? since he already got humiliated vs 145lb Mayweather…Posted October 8, 2013 11:25 am
KL — You have the beat!Posted October 8, 2013 11:13 am
cotto would get totally humiliated if he fought Sergio or get a beatdown verses canelo , cotto needs to drop back to 147. there would be a lot of interesting fights for cotto from the likes of Garcia,guerrero,alexander,mattysse..maybe khan,bradley,marquez etc… who knows, even a re-match with Floyd at 147 or pacquaio without catchweight would appeal to a lot of people.Posted October 8, 2013 10:55 am
this should have read:
Povetkin should NOT go entirely blameless.Posted October 8, 2013 9:35 am
Wlad’s tactic of grabbing and leaning is nothing new of course, but in Saturday’s fight it was excessive, perhaps the most excessive in the last decade or so.It is a mark of how much respect Wlad had for Povetkin that he resorted to such blatant tactics, whether it is within the rules of boxing will no doubt be debated ad infinitum, but the biggest loser is the sport of boxing, and the sooner the boxing authorities wake up to this the better.
Wlad doesn’t fight everyone the same way. This is stupid. The ref would have done Wlad a favor by taking points early. AP got rocked and kd the first time ever by a 3 inch swing of lefthook of the jab by Wlad. He would have just finished him earlier. Wladimir used to bomb away and is capable when forced. Be good enough to force it or he will just win as easy on him as possible. DuhPosted October 8, 2013 9:24 am
It’s Me, Ernie
“Please don’t lie about this.., I know for a fact that Vingo weighed 189 for Marciano and Marciano weighed 180 for that particular fight.”
You call him a liar and know your facts from a fight 65 years ago, yet you obviously lied about such things as “training several world champs” and “wagering 5 and 6 figure bets” among other jewels you have been called out on and failed to back up with facts. Now ask for my birth certificate or something else stupid to try to spin the subject at hand, like a true coward…Posted October 8, 2013 8:59 am
ТАRK, I’ tink Pulеv will еnd Klitschko’s еrа! Мауbе if hе fight with 0ld Vitаli аnd ,bеаt him Wlаd will go аftеr him…. Kubrаt Pulеv thе Klitshcko nightmаrе..! Pulеv-Wlаd- thаn nеw еrа will coming in hеаvуPosted October 8, 2013 8:35 am
like it or not but TARK HAS THE BEAT!!!!Posted October 8, 2013 5:44 am
or hamsterPosted October 8, 2013 5:38 am
mork is gonzoPosted October 8, 2013 5:38 am
Hidalgo, a question you strange man with too much surplus time on your hands. A question. If the Klitschkos weren’t dominating like they are, or perhaps if they didn’t even exist, then would you still be crying for a new division?? And if so, based on what unfair matchups that have happened within the last 10 years so ?Posted October 8, 2013 3:15 am
No, Farmboxer, the author did not claim, “… that if Vlad were to fight someone as tall as he, he would easily lose, get knocked out, lose every round, etc.
What Wallace did say was this:
“I’ve always said that the only true gauge for these guys would be in a “Super” Heavyweight division. A setting that would offer a group of men who stand as tall as they do, who nullify each of the non-conventional attributes that they carry.
Vivek also said this:
“There’s nothing about his ability that suggest he would have been competitive against great in history, or anyone in present who enters the ring with enough size and style to stop him from wrapping up and hurt him when he tries.”
Regardless, Wlad, like his brother, has built a good portion of his record by fighting an awful lot of small “heavyweights” during his career and he has often enjoyed huge physical advantages over them, which include height, weight, and reach. But for the moment, here’s an interesting list of little guys that Wlad has fought:
Povetkin 6’2 ½”
Wallace is an ignoramus.., Those contrived questions are bogus.
He never watched Wach, Austin, Jefferson, McCline, Thompson, and other huge Wladimir opponents if he doesn’t think they’re as big and strong as Wladimir.
Everybody has an ugly fight now an than… I said before this fight it would be a real stinker — and it was.. But I believe Wladimir’s next fight against Pulev is going to be spectacular… It’s a great matchup.Posted October 8, 2013 2:27 am
So, Boxtradamus, you’re saying a strawweight at 105 lbs. should fight a featherweight at 125 lbs (featherweight limit is 126)? Or that a bantamweight at 118 pounds should fight a jr. welterweight at 138 lbs (jr. welterweight limit is 140 lbs)?
This is BS and here’s why: The smaller the fighter, the larger the weight ratio between them. Hence, the 20 lbs weight difference becomes more of an issue for smaller fighters as they would be fighting a significantly bigger opponent.
For instance, if a 105 lb fighter fights a 125 lbs opponent, there is a 16% weight difference between them, whereas if a 147 lbs fighter takes on a 167 pound fighter, the 167 lb man only has a 12% weight advantage over his opponent. A 210 lb fighter has an 11% weight advantage over a 190 lb. fighter. The ratio continues to decrease as the weight of the fighters increases: A 250 pound fighter would have an 8% weight advantage over a 230 pound opponent.
Now let’s increase the weight ratio for the biggest fighters and lets see what happens: At a 16% weight ratio (this is the ratio between the 105 and 125 lb fighters) a 230 fighter would be facing an opponent who weighed 267 pounds. That’s a 37 pound weight difference but it’s the same weight ratio as in the smallest fighters. At a 16% ratio a welterweight would be fighting a 170 lb opponent–23 lbs difference and a light heavyweight (175 lbs) would be fighting a 203 lb opponent. That’s a 28 lbs difference.
So clearly, the 20 pound spread is more detrimental to smaller fighters than larger ones. You just can’t fairly apply that formula across all weight divisions. Additionally, a fighter’s weight, height, reach, etc, are generally proportionate to each other. So a little strawweight will most likely be giving a lot of physical advantages to his flyweight sized opponent.
Now, you might respond “20 pounds is 20 pounds.” Well that’s true, but as I showed, it depends on how that 20 pounds factors into the fight equation.
Finally, let’s take a Klitscho and let’s use the 16% ratio, and let’s say Vitali comes into the ring at 250 lbs. With a 16% weight advantage that means his opponent would weigh 290 lbs. Now, do you think Vitali would rather fight someone who weighed 270 pounds or 290 pounds? Now ask the same question of the strawweight who’s fighting a guy that weighs 16% more than he does. You’ll get the same answer.Posted October 8, 2013 2:24 am
one guy actually died after the fight Povetkin-Klichko, did not make it to the hospital… diagnosis – thrombosis…Posted October 8, 2013 1:52 am
There is no need for weight divisions. As long as the two combatants are within 20 lbs of each other make the FightPosted October 8, 2013 1:34 am
Clottey and Cheato were never logical opponents for Floyd… Floyd fought Cotto, who was 154-pound champion.. THAT was a logical fight.. Pacquiao was a logical fight..
Pacquiao was offered the best terms in the world and it took him 5 years to accept them. Now he needs to beat Rios and the fight is done.
Or as Floyd Sr. says, “The fight is DID.”Posted October 8, 2013 1:31 am
Public Enemy – if you follow boxing as well as you would like us to believe look at Cotto sitting at ring side during Mayweather vs Gatti and search for any interviews thereafter regarding facing Mayweather and you’ll hear that Cotto said the same crap as Pac,Posted October 8, 2013 1:12 am
Clottey, Margarito, Pac and Cotto were all under Top Rank. Any one who suggests Mayweather ducked all these fighters has to be an idiot as it is not rock science to figure out who influenced the decision qhy those fights neverbtook place at the desired time including Mosley and ODH. Perhaps now one can understand the effect slimy Arum had on Mayweathers legacy.Posted October 8, 2013 1:07 am
Public Enemy – Arum is fooling you. Cotto is no better now than he was when he lost to Floyd and Trout just like Pac will be no better after he blazes through Rios. Smoke and mirrors.Posted October 8, 2013 12:55 am
Nobody knows if Cotto can fight for 12 rounds at that pace. I doubt it.Posted October 8, 2013 12:25 am
@ Maracho. Please don’t lie about this.., I know for a fact that Vingo weighed 189 for Marciano and Marciano weighed 180 for that particular fight. Vingo was super skinny and Rocky was a little guy only 4 pounds lighter than when he won the title. The weights were reported in all the newspapers, so just look at the newspaper archives and you’ll find it, or the Ring magazine issue for that month with carried the story of the fight and the weights.
I told Boxrec.com for years they had the weight listed wrong. They finally checked the newspapers and press reports of the day and changed the weight to 189… which is on their site right now… And “most” sites do NOT report the weight at 220—that’s ridiculous.
Jack Johnson was 37 and 20 overweight for Willard.. He agreed to throw the fight to Willard as part of his struggle to enter the United States without facing a super long prison sentence. Willard wasn’t that big. He was 6’5”X 232 for Johnson.
Johnson was in the 230’s and both weights are reported wrong on boxrec.com. Willard weighed in the 220’s in good shape. He was a very clumsy boxer. I believe Johnson threw the fight. He sold it, but shading his eyes from the sun during the count was a dead giveaway of the tank job.
The reason the fight was scheduled for 45 rounds—was there was a lot of documents that had to be transferred to Mrs. Johnson. She had to check them out with a lawyer during the fight in an office before she returned to her seat and signaled to her husband that his deal was met, before the start of the 26th round. They needed a couple hours to make sure the documents were legit. Johnson was guaranteed a short prison sentence with a lot of special privileges as part of the deal for giving up the title.
Willard had a 2 fight winning streak going into the Johnson fight—after losing to a 175 pounder with 11 wins. He was not a good boxer.Posted October 8, 2013 12:21 am
Wow tark did you read that Lol ! You better put duck tape back there. By the time Mork is done you’ll have a sewer pipe sized hole as a butt hole.Posted October 8, 2013 12:00 am
While some are ballywhooing Cotto’s teaming up with Roach and becoming better than when he first faced Mayweather, they tend to forget that Mayweather also teamed up with his father after their encounter and has since become virtually untouchable!
And although I’m a fan of Cotto’s too, I don’t think that he’ll ever be able to beat Mayweather—especially not the one who embarrassed Canelo and Guerrero.
I think that THE most lucrative fight for Cotto right now would be against Alvarez. And, depending on how Canelo deals after his first loss, I would say it’s a toss-up.
Concerning the Klitschko debacle, I agree that Vitali is a MUCH better fighter than his brother. And a helluva lot more fun to watch.Posted October 7, 2013 11:21 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)
It’s time for Cotto to stop ducking Canelo and fight him. He’s feeling big and strong coming off of a knock out over a C+ fighter, so let’s see if he finally has the courage to fight Alvarez. All these Puto Ricans will be crying in their beers and beating their wives and kids the night that Canelo smashes their hero senseless.Posted October 7, 2013 10:13 pm
“There is no need for a Super Heavyweight Division. If height is going to be a requirement then that would have to be through every division”
It’s not just height, but weight, reach, and strength as well. The Klitschkos are not just tall they are giants, coming into the ring between 240-250 pounds with barely an ounce of fat on them. These are very big men.
Yes, there is a need for a super heavyweight division. If not, then there’s no need for any weight divisions at all.Posted October 7, 2013 9:49 pm
Johnny too bad,
Maybe back in the day Wright, but the others there are plenty of videos of them turning down fights, or the fighters were with Arum. If you don’t know Arum and Floyd haven’t worked together since the Mayweather split from Top Rank. When Arum held all of the cards he would not give Mayweather a shot. Arum is brilliant Promoter he knows how to manipulate fans and media to create what ever situation he want to get his way. It just now Mayweather and De La Hoya wont bend to tactic, so we as fan miss out on alot of fight that should happen. It’s a cycle that will continue to repeat itself, it was King and TP years ago not its GB and TP.Posted October 7, 2013 9:41 pm
urone2 — I feel a lot like you about the K2 brothers. Burt Sugar pounded into my head in one discussion that boxing is first, second and third…ENTERTAINMENT — when it fails to entertain it AIN’T BOXING anymore! One can argue this point until the cows come home, but the simple truth remains that without fans the sport dies! And without entertainment the fan dies! It ain’t complex!Posted October 7, 2013 9:37 pm
It’s funny how these guy that defend the Kiits brothers think that you hater them because you don’t appreciate their new boxing style. Wlad before the KO losses was a wrecking ball of a fighter, but we found out he was chinny. Wlad adopted a new style of fighting that I don’t care to watch. Vitali has changed his style of fighting to somewhat match Wlad’s style it makes for boring fights. When the Klits brothers first came on the scene I couldn’t wait to see them fight ( I always liked Vitali more he seemed more skilled to me) but then Wlad go stopped a couple of times and Vitali had back problem and the came back boring so I don’t even try to watch any more.Posted October 7, 2013 9:30 pm
al bundy — I was born in Europe and am proud of it. I warned American fans that following the break-up of the Soviet Union the face of boxing was going to dramatically change with Eastern Bloc nations releasing their amateurs onto the pro ranks for the first time sine the Soviet Union ban them from turning pro.
Respect back at you!Posted October 7, 2013 9:29 pm
I have to go, I disagree with OLD Yank, but I respect his opinion… I do not think it has anything to do with the race… I think too that Wlad should have done a better job. I listen Ukrainian TV with former Wlad’s trainer, other HW and experts. All of them said they were dissatisfied with the fight, and expected Wlad show himself better, but they all stated that Povetkin was a difficult opponent, fast and tough and huge respect to Alexander. However, let’s not judge the winner, let’s find him competition and if there is none, stop making excuses that Wlad is not good enough.Posted October 7, 2013 9:22 pm
Povetkin was NOT placing his head under Klitschko’s armpit! NONSENSE! The headlocks were originated by Klitschko taking “advantage” of Povetkin’s low head. A fighter trying to make something happen once inside a jab is NOT looking to find himself in a head lock! Once inside a headlock with a fighters chest on your back, you GRAB your opponent around the waist in order to save your legs (and potentially save your balance)!Posted October 7, 2013 9:20 pm
Mosley never wanted to fight Mayweather not until he fought De La Hoya, Paul Williams is the only fighter he ducked, Margaritio was with Arum and the fight was never going to happen. It’s just like the Cotto fight had to wait until Cotto left Arum and then Cotto fought Mayweather. The retirement was a marketing scheme that seem to have worked. He came back to Fight Pacquioa but as you see Arum isn’t going to let that happen, or not until now since Pacquioa has lost some of his Marketability. If Pacquioa looks great and Arum can money a few more dollars before a Mayweather fight, the boxing public will be left wanting again.Posted October 7, 2013 9:17 pm
al bundy — I agree! It was PATHETIC on both fighters parts, but my eyes saw a stinker in the making from the opening bell due to a ref who truly sucked!Posted October 7, 2013 9:17 pm
Ok I have heard everything now. Light Heavy Champ Hopkins wants to drop down to 160 and fight Mayweather.Posted October 7, 2013 9:15 pm
al bundy — NO WARNING should be given for a fighter approaching with his head low as long as his head is ABOVE THE WAIST of his opponent as he makes the low approach. KNOW THE RULES or ask a good ref!Posted October 7, 2013 9:15 pm
Old Yank, I agree with you on M. Steward defense technique, he taught the same thing to Lewis too. On Povetkin putting his head on the chest of Wladimir, I disagree. Povetkin was going way below under the arm of Klichko. Once his head was under Wlad’s arm, Klicko was leaning… If you think about it, it was pathetic for both of them to have his head constantly under Klit arm. Later in the rounds, Klichko was trying to push Povetkin out, which is also illegal, to get rid of Povetkin’s hugs… I think it was bad from both sides. I agree that Wlad did it extensively. I am just saying he is the best and worthy HW and extremely superior over other heavyweights of 7 or 8 years now… and it is extraordinary, even LL was fairing with Dua, head moments with Hollifield… Klichko is way above and it is not because there is no one out there. It is because he is too advanced…Posted October 7, 2013 9:14 pm
Wlads got it all. For years baddest man on planet, beautiful lady,hes super intelligent,filthy rich,built like a greek god, and every freaking American seems to be jealous. Hes now gotten meaner than hell in the ring too. Hes unbeatable and the object of much hatred.Posted October 7, 2013 9:10 pm
al bundy your right Heavy suxs there all C and D level boxers with Klits top of the C class. Based on what we have the heavy division will be dead for years to come.Posted October 7, 2013 9:09 pm
Al Bundy — I can’t in a million years ever imagine Primo Canara or Jess Willard ever using their size in the PATHETIC way Wlad Klitschko did. It was PATHETIC. OF FRIGGIN’ COURSE Klitschko was simply better than Povetkin — the odds were a wide as 6.5:1 in mid-September and closed at around 4:1 when the opening bell sounded. It ain’t about excuses; its about a PATHETIC DISPLAY from a man calling himself a champion.Posted October 7, 2013 9:09 pm
When holyfield was in the twilight of his career the Klitschkos said he was too old and then fought 1 punch per round Briggs.Posted October 7, 2013 9:08 pm
Old Yank, why you are seeking excuse after excuse on how bad Wlad is to win the fight. It is almost like, it does not matter who he fought, winning is Wlad’s fault.
How about a simple excuse for Wlad’s win – Povetkin was not good enough, did not do any damage, was repeating the same move over and over, did not do any combinations, and thus he lost….Posted October 7, 2013 9:03 pm
sthomas — Agreed!Posted October 7, 2013 9:01 pm
al bundy — Any approach of the head above the opponents waist is a legal approach as long as it is not a billy-goat approach. Placing your head in your opponent’s chest is not illegal. Wrapping your arms over his neck and pushing him down is. Holding his body down and punching is illegal. Holding him by the head and punching with your free hand is illegal.
It was an ugly and PATHETIC display of heavyweight boxing. If this is all the sport offered it would be without fans inside a year. YOU INCLUDED.
I don’t have an ounce of hate for either Klitschko. In fact I’ve been very vocal about Lewis never offering V. Klitschko a rematch.
I thought the Iggy/W. Klitschko bout was a stinker and Stewart essentially told Wlad that if he wanted to retain fans he’d better not ever fight like that again. Well, Manny is gone and Wlad fought like that again and it lost him fans — AS IT SHOULD! It was PATHETIC!Posted October 7, 2013 9:01 pm
Old Yank, We’ve seen it over and over throughtout the years in the sport. If a ref. does not call a foul then fouls will continue.Posted October 7, 2013 9:00 pm
sthomas, I agree… the ref should have warned Klit for leaning on. It was extensive and overdone. But he should have warned Povetking not to coming to low too… If the guy bend over, Wlad is looking down. He canno punch, like a hummer, it is awkward position. Even to prevent Povetkin rising up and creating a headbutt, Wlad shold leaned over, that what he did….Posted October 7, 2013 8:58 pm
sthomas — Without question fighters need to live with a bad ref no matter what. But some of Klitschko’s fouls were so blatant that it was not evenly bad — the holding and hitting was particularly offensive.Posted October 7, 2013 8:55 pm
Old YANK, please watch the fight again. Povetkin was coming in so low and so close, what is your suggestion that Wlad should have done??? Before coming up with your answer, think that Povetkin fast and he does not tell when he would do it…Posted October 7, 2013 8:53 pm
Not a big fan of what either fighter continued to do but it’s the ref’s job to establish what will be tolerated. Given that the ref. alllowed the redundent clinches to continue, of the two fighters, Pevetkin should have changed tactics becuase the same result occured again and again. He was worked over repeatedly.Posted October 7, 2013 8:52 pm
all the posts, saying Klichko is the problem for HW division, are total nonsense. Listen to yourself: If just there was for Wladimir, every fighter would be better and division stronger?????????
Fight was boring, find the way to make it better. Tyson was an exciting fighter until he fought Hollyfield or someone stronger. I think it was Douglas. Hollyfield was headbutting Tyson, Tyson was eating him alive… Some of Lewis’ fights were also boring.
BUT THERE WAS NEVER A SITUATION, WHEN ONE FIGHTER IS TOTALLY DOMINATING THAN THE OTHERS.Posted October 7, 2013 8:46 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Turd-You remember who beat who in the eighties yet can’t remember any names of those “champs” you trained?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!…Posted October 7, 2013 8:42 pm
It is a fool who dies not know the rules.
WORLD BOXING COUNCIL RULES FOR CHAMPIONSHIP FIGHTS:
PLEASE NOTE #13 and #16 below — they are fouls for which a ref may deduct points.
A list of common fouls that may be committed by boxers (or seconds,
EVEN BETTER: Povetkin did not come in head first at Klitschko’s balls — it is an utterly foolish thing to say. Even suggesting that one observed it is nonsense. Povetkin came in low — looking to force Klitschko to throw his jab more down than straight. It was a good strategy for getting inside. It got him inside. Once low and inside Klitschko wrestled Povetkin — even wrestled him to the ground! Of course Povetkin came in too low at times; but let’s get real. The amount of laying on Povetkin’s back that Klitschko did was pathetic! Absolutely pathetic.
If Povetkin was looking to billy-goat Klitschko’s balls then the ref should have called it. When Klitschko layed on Povetkin’s back the ref shoul dhave called it.
It was a PATHETIC heavyweight bout and if all of boxing looked like this the sport would be dead inside a month!Posted October 7, 2013 8:27 pm
I would like to see Cotto vs new champ Molina 1st, and if Cotto wins, then Canelo can fight him for a title, and I hope they stop the catch weight cowardness, it shows insecurities from those requesting it,,may I say fear of losing,,,a 152lbs Canelo will be no different from a 154lbs Canelo,,Canelo is a short jr middleweight who was fighting at 147lbs just a few yrs ago,,,it’s a mental game intended to increase the confidence of the insecured one,, to give the appearance that one boxer has certain advantage coming in the ring,,when boxers are fighting in the same weight class,,,ala Cotto, Canelo, Molina,,etc,,,how delusional it is for one to ask another to come down in weight,,,it’s a disadvantge to a guy moving up or down a weight class,,ala PFM from 147lbs to 152 to fight a 154 champ,,,or a 175 champ Dawson coming down to 168 and fighting Ward,,those are the only occasions when the fighter fighting away from his weight class has a disadvantage,,if they are in the same weight class, why does it matter?? fear? ,move down in weight,,lol,,for those boxers that shrink themselves,,,after 6=7 rds their stamina goes down and it can be dangerous to their health in the long run,,,peacePosted October 7, 2013 8:03 pm
Take this for what it is, I have great respect for Wlad. I”m a fan. For more than a half decade his elite defense, footwork, technique and speed (for a HW) have been grossly underrated here. That said, it’s time to hang em up. The excessive clinching is likely because his legs are not what they were. He can’t jump back and away from shots the way he could a few years ago. So, instead, he falls forward onto the opponent’s back again and again and again. It’s an embarrassment. Yes, he wins the fights regardless – because the refs want continuing paydays from K2 and refuse to DQ him- but he’s bordering on becoming a laughingstock.Posted October 7, 2013 7:54 pm
PEEJ.., You’re grasping at straws… Tommy Morrison??? The worst heavyweight champion in fistic history, Michael Bentt, knocked Morrsion out in the 1st round.
Bentt was destroyed by Herbie Hide… Vitali knocked Hide cold with a JAB in the 2nd round. Morrison was total crap. Ray Mercer knocked Morrison out easily and Wladimir murdered Mercer.Posted October 7, 2013 7:49 pm
I’ve also been saying that the Klit Brothers belong in a Super Heavyweight Division, and that match them up with Heavyweights is one of the reasons why the division now sucks. And it doesn’t help that a lot of Klit fans are only fans because of reasons far outside of boxing. Like I said, against the Golden Era Heavy’s, their careers don’t match up.Posted October 7, 2013 7:47 pm
By the time he fought Toney he was already finished as a top fighter. I’d bet Tommy Morrison would of KOd Wlad with one of the left hooks. Povetkin had the body open all night and he rarely attacked the body. First off I would never watch that fight again. And he did slow and tire a bit. He did get his 2nd wind but he did tire a bitPosted October 7, 2013 7:42 pm
I have my slight disagreements with the statements made about Cotto here but I ABSOLUTELY AGREE with every word you wrote on Klitchko. Saturday’s fight was a travesty.Posted October 7, 2013 7:22 pm
Roach’s new and improved “body snatcher”; Cotto, would most likely whoop Mayweather, in a re-match.Posted October 7, 2013 7:21 pm
they meant to be together…Posted October 7, 2013 6:17 pm
PEEJ, Povetkin and Haye were extremely fast and short for Klichko. Especially Povetkin. Povetkin was lighter, shorter and faster, and he tried to stay even shorter and righter to prevent Wlad’s right cross. Povetkin was setting Klichko up and waiting that Wlad would commit with his right cross and getting himself out of the balance. So, Wlad did what he felt is better. You need to see t he fight again, as I did. From 7th or 8th round Wlad actually jumping on his toes and trying to box. Povetkin was running into Wlad with his head down and throwing few punches and getting under waiting for that Wlad… that moment I called: they met to be together. LOL…Posted October 7, 2013 6:15 pm
That’s where your wrong Tark. Wlad would try to grab Holyfield and while he was grabbing, Holyfield would be ripping shots to that body. See how easily he got tired out against Povetkin? Holyfield would take advantage of that and stop Wlad around the middle rounds. Bowe threw punches, he didn’t grapple, hold and pull his opponents down and lean on themPosted October 7, 2013 5:50 pm
Wlad is not constantly improving. He has already hit his ceiling in improving. He does the same things over and over. Jab, jab, jab then a over hand right and a hook. He throws no body shots. Oh did I mention he grabs and leans in his opponents. Pushes their heads down and leans on there back? If he was improving, when a fighter got close, instead of clinching he would actually do some in fighting or throw some body shotsPosted October 7, 2013 5:48 pm
Maracho… Vingo was 189 pounds and no good at all. He wasn’t a contender.
Jess Willard hadn’t had a fight in 4 years when he fougth Dempsey. He was 37. He was the most inept boxer in the history of the heavyweight title.. Willard got hit with everything anybody threw.. Johnson was an old man and was ahead of Willard on points 26 rounds into the fight… Johnson was a fat tub and said he deliberately threw the fight. When he was counted out in the 26th round he shaded his eyes from the sun with his forearm.
That was the longest Queensberry fight in the entire history of Heavyweight Title Fights… Dempsey wanted his title fights with Gene Tunney cut to 10 rounds each. Tunney obliged to land the fights, and boxed the piss out of Dempsey both times.Posted October 7, 2013 5:27 pm
two things are still amazing me: many people constanly say that Hollyfield or Ali or whoever from the past could have knocked out Wlad easily; Haye said he would clean the HW division, Teddy Atlas said that Povetkin has a good chance to knock Wlad and so forth… But these are only wishes and talk.. When Haye and Povetkin came into the ring, it was different… Was Povetkin ever down before???
Bowe couldn’t be outbox or outpunch the super bad Andrew Golota.. Lewis, Grant, Tyson, and Brewster couldn’t miss Golota with a punch.Posted October 7, 2013 4:47 pm
A young Holyfield was beaten twice by the wide open punchable Bowe. He wouldn’t have a prayer with anyone as good as Wladimir.Posted October 7, 2013 4:45 pm
I watched the fight again. I am NOT happy and actually angry that Wladimir did not do more in the later rounds. I agree that referee should have warned Wlad more for leaning over Alexander, however (!!! ), to say that Wladimir did not deserve the victory or he is not worth it – is lunatic!!!
Insider is right. Vivek wants Wlad to forget his natural advantage and fight shorter man as if he is short and stocky? Or what? I don’t get it. I think it is up to his opponents to counter and nullify what Wlad is doing, if they can.Posted October 7, 2013 4:21 pm
A prime Holyfield would of destroyed Wlad. You can’t compare the old version to the young version. Even the version that fought Lewis had a good chance of beating Wlad. A prime version would of destroyed him.Posted October 7, 2013 4:01 pm
Public E.., Right.. Cheato!!! He really would have given Floyd a hard time. On the best night Cheato ever saw Floyd would have knocked him dead.
Ditto Paul Williams.Posted October 7, 2013 3:56 pm
doc…, Holyfield avoided the Klitschko Bros forever.. Holyfield was beaten by Larry Donald every round.. Donald was stopped by Vitali Klitscchko for the 1st stoppage in his life … It wasn’t a contest.Posted October 7, 2013 3:53 pm
to avoid he many top fighters at his peak..Posted October 7, 2013 3:33 pm
urone2 – You do realize Mayweather chose to go into retirement at the peak of his career the many top fighters he had to face at that time like an undamaged Cotto, Younger Mosely, Paul Williams, Magarito etc etcPosted October 7, 2013 3:32 pm
Povetkin himself said wladimar was too good,too fast and too strong. That’s the man that fought him. He wasn’t in there to be entertained he fought to win and says he got beat by the better man. America wants wladimar beat but it never happens anymore, sorry. Go back and enjoy your old beat up foggies and look at ali now and see if wladimar is smart on not. His face unmarked after 12 rounds with the number 1 contender and Olympic champion.Posted October 7, 2013 3:27 pm
Vivek – I totally agree with your comments about Wladamir, I was disgusted also and know the the legends of the sport, Ali, Holmes and Lennox would watch in wonder what is happening to the sweet science. There is no science in Wladamir and if he was 6 foot 2 no one would know his name. Do you think he should have been disqualified?Posted October 7, 2013 3:19 pm
There really aren’t a lot on Mayweathers Record Partly because of Arum and partly because in their prime fighters ducked him because of the risk vs reward when he was coming along in boxing. Mayweather didn’t really gain any popularity until after the De La Hoya fight. After that fight he kind of became the man until then Arum did not allow any of his known fighters to fight him. When Mayweather was able after that to get the pay per view number then Mosley, Cotto, Margarito, Marquez and others wanted to get into the ring with him. While Mayweather and Pacquioa were trying to get into the ring( The fight I think Arum stopped ) Mayweather would fight the guy the Team Pacquioa deemed to tough or not the right style for Manny. Ortiz, Marquez, Mosley and Hatton are just a few names that were turned down by the Pacquioa camp that Mayweather fought after them be deemed to tough for Pacquioa. Could Mayweather had forced some of the issue and made these fight it may be possible but highly unlikely. Kind of like Arum trying to force Mayweather to fight Margarito( I wish people would stop with the Margacheato stuff it’s so stale) by stating that Margarito was the most feared man in boxing, anyone with real boxing knowledge at the time knew Margarito was nowhere near the most feared man in boxing and knew that it was a tactic by Arum to try and force the fight with Mayweather.Posted October 7, 2013 3:18 pm
@ PEEJ – Thank you! Finally someone who really hit the nail on the head when it comes to the state of the HW division today. The simple truth is that none of today’s HWs have the skill set to negate the hugging tactics of Wlad. Do you think that Holyfield or Tyson would have allowed themselves to get constantly grabbed? Heck no! They would have put their head into Wlad’s chest and went to work on the body… would have thrown feints…. would have thrown combinations. It seems that the basic fundamentals of boxing (especially with the HWs) have all gone down the drain……Posted October 7, 2013 3:15 pm
two big bums.Posted October 7, 2013 3:15 pm
…, “Did a boxing match break out between Klitschko and Povetkin?”
The whole fight was a boxing match…
Povetkin couldn’t box. His only solution was charging in with his head down. The only safe solution for that is to grab him. Both fighters should have been warned for infractions.Posted October 7, 2013 3:09 pm
Benard Hopkins was 35 and believed to be ripe to be beat when Don King made the deal to have Trinadad fight Hopkins, and with RJJ both he and Trinadad were once great fighters. Hopkins was something special that none of us had noticed. We knew he was good when he beat Antwun Echols with one arm and almost KO’d Echols, but no one saw this almost fifty year old being successful for this long.Posted October 7, 2013 3:04 pm
How about Ali??? He clinched and wrestled as much in Frazier II… You’re just angry because you bet serious big bucks on Povetkin.Posted October 7, 2013 3:03 pm
Urone – name two fighters on Floyds resume as of late that were as dangerous as Prime Bernard Hopkins at Middleweight and Roy Jones at Middleweight? or Winky Wright.. Trinidad only fought the Best not these hyped up bums at Catch weights..Posted October 7, 2013 2:59 pm
Did a boxing match break out between Klitschko and Povetkin? If it did I missed it? I saw a wrestling match that was a disgrace to the sport of boxing.
It does not get more real than this:
If you cannot defend yourself without wrestling then you should be disqualified from boxing!Posted October 7, 2013 2:56 pm
My statement was a response to Public Enemy stating that Mayweather should go to Middle weight and I was pointing out the Mayweather has already eclipsed Trinandad in moving up in weight.Posted October 7, 2013 2:55 pm
yes Wlad should work on the inside but holding Povetkin’s head down and hitting him is illegal. Wlad did what he had to, to keep his chin out of harms way, he can’t take a punch and knows it.Posted October 7, 2013 2:52 pm
Both Floyd and Pac weighed the same weight at the same age. Only difference is Pac turned pro at a very young age. They have both moved up the same weight and pretty much in the same amount of time. Just one was doing it at Pro and the other doing it in the AmateursPosted October 7, 2013 2:52 pm
There is no need for a Super Heavyweight Division. If height is going to be a requirement then that would have to be through every division. If weight is gonna be a requirement then all that is going to do is have those out of shape cruiser weights that want to fight at heavy be even more out of shape to get to that weight. There is no need for a Super Heavyweight division. Unfortunately we do not have a heavyweight with the skills, and chin to be able to get to the Klitchkos. Heck if Povetkin would of gone to the body instead of constantly head hunting he may have done something. All those looping wild left hooks he was throwing had Klitchko flailing his right arm in the air to block. He could of feinted to the head and went to the body with some of those punches and it might have kept his arm down for a clean head shot. But he didn’t.Posted October 7, 2013 2:50 pm
Urone – both Hopkins and Roy Jones were actually light Heavyweights.. and P4P Great Hall of Famers.Posted October 7, 2013 2:44 pm
dont compare that big stiff klit with cotto.Posted October 7, 2013 2:39 pm
@urone2.., Trinidad moved from 147 to 160, That’s 3 weight divisions, but he fought Roy Jones at a catch-weight for his last fight.
Mayweather fought most of his career fights at 130, and won 3 World championships at 154.. That’s 5 weight divisions, 2 more than Tito.Posted October 7, 2013 2:39 pm
Cotto’s frame is bigger than Mayweathers, Mayweather entered the professional game at 130, Cotto at 140. Mayweather is only gaining 3 pounds on fight night he fights at the same weight when he fights guy at welter and Jr. middle.Posted October 7, 2013 2:36 pm
In terms of Mayweather moving up in weight he has already moved up as many weight classes as Trinandad. Trinandad from welter to middle, Mayweather for Jr. Light to Junior Middle, so in essence Mayweather has moved one more weight division than Trinadad.Posted October 7, 2013 2:31 pm
A lot of the clinches weren’t initiated by Wlad. When he dropped povetkin the clinched didn’t look any different than most of the ones earlier or later. An Wlad was trying to finish the fight when he got the 3 knock downs. Also when they did clinch the announcers whined about Wlad throwing an uppercut when usually they say “he should work on the inside”. Also povetkins punches to the body inside were okay.Posted October 7, 2013 2:28 pm
Steve “USS” Cunningham.., “If Wladimir Klitschko was 6’3″ tall he’d still be the Heavyweight Champion. Wladimir works very, very hard. If Tyson Fury were 6’3″ tall nobody would know who he is”
What’s lost is Klitschko doing all the work in the fight—moving, jabbing, grabbing, punching, pushing, throwing, and generally working his tail off as allowed by the referee. Ali clinched just as much in Frazier II.
Ali’s fights with Alfredo Evangelista… Buster Mathis… Jimmy Young… Ruddi Lubbers… Mac Foster… and Leon Spinks II… stunk much worse than this one.
Johnny Carson.., “This just came off the news wires folks… Muhammad Ali and Alfredo Evangelista have just been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for promoting non-violence in Boxing.” … That got one of the biggest laughs I’ve ever heard.Posted October 7, 2013 2:24 pm
Sad Scientist – the only one Crying was Cinnabum!!! BWAHhhhahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhhhaaahhhaPosted October 7, 2013 2:23 pm
The Mad Scientist
PE – yes you need to accept the facts and quit crying..Lol!Posted October 7, 2013 2:07 pm
Would love nothing better than to see a Canelo/Cotto clash I just hope SM doesn’t retire him first.Posted October 7, 2013 1:55 pm
Public Enemy- I know what you mean. The thing is that if Cotto/Canelo were to be made, there will be no 152 catchweight, we need to accept the fact that Canelo is bigger than Cotto and he will out weight Cotto the day of the fight.Posted October 7, 2013 1:52 pm
Cotto should just call out Canelo “fight me under the same weight terms you fought Floyd and we have a fight!!!” stop the BS..Posted October 7, 2013 1:52 pm
Correction – Cotto is not going to fight Sergio Martinez.. let do nothing Carrto Top Cinnabum fight Sergio Martinez.. LOLPosted October 7, 2013 1:50 pm
Igor Segeyivich Kholakovkokhskyov
Wladimir Klitschko best heavyweight champuon in history and Vitali Klitschko retired Lennox. Lennox no want rematch.Posted October 7, 2013 1:50 pm
Cottos schedule as a boxer has to be considered when critiqued Rodriguez is the first “soft opponent” he’s had in a LONG time.. We can say Yuri Foreman was not a murderer but he knew how to box, was native to 154 and was undefeated… That said against bigger Top fighters at 154 Miguel has some disadvantages that he’s gonna have to negate via nothing less than premium performances… Should he face Martinez or Canelo anything less will be a BAD night or possible Beatdown… That said I would like to see him chase glory and get the shots facing Clottey, Margo 2x, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Mosley, Judah, Trout and Quintana warrant him getting big money bouts..Posted October 7, 2013 1:49 pm
Anonymous -aka Mexican, Cotto is going to fight Sergio Martinez, we’ll let Canelo grow a set of balls and fight Sergio.. LOL Cotto has a rematch with Floyd to get out of the way…Posted October 7, 2013 1:45 pm
Public Embarrassment knows Cotto is going to get his ass handed to him by Martinez that’s this kid starts holloring ” let Canelo fight SM, let Floyd figh SM” Dude shut up, Cotto is going to get his handed to him and then we’ll see u crying all over this site about how “tiny” Cotto is and how “HUGE” SM is. Stop your crying and get grip kid.Posted October 7, 2013 1:41 pm
Albeziel – Everyone knows MargaCheato used Cement Wraps.. only Delusional Mexican Boxing Fans support that Cheating dirty Rat…Posted October 7, 2013 1:41 pm
Wallace take on Wlads performance is hardcore and reflective of MANY writers in regards to the pseudo-boxing display we saw the other night… Bears WORSHIPS the ground Vivek walks on I wonder how his furry heart is gonna handle the hard realtors of his statements in regards to Klitschko…. Will he call him “a bigot” even though he lauds Vitali? Or simply say he’s crazy? Reality is that Wlad turned of ALOT of people the other night with good reason…Posted October 7, 2013 1:40 pm
Albeziel – if you could make an extra 5 – 10 Million would you retire from doing something you love doing?? Cotto is a Boxer, he loves Boxing.. he won’t fear fighting anyone especially a Canelo under the Same Weight Terms given to Floyd..Posted October 7, 2013 1:39 pm
JWales, was Mosley in the locker when Margarito fought Cotto? Why Capetillo took the blame, the suspension and leave Margarito? About why Margarito’s knuckles weren’t crushed, haven’t you heard of bandages? Margarito was/is a plaster cheater, cant believe that people still defend himPosted October 7, 2013 1:38 pm
Public Enemy, I don’t think Cotto needs to fight SM. It sounds as though that’s the fight he’s interested in though. If it happens, I hope he fights him at around 156. I doubt SM will go for that though.Posted October 7, 2013 1:32 pm
Public Enemy- I really don’t think Cotto should fight Floyd again, this guy adapts to fast. Cotto can look for a rematch against Trout (not a bad idea considering that Cotto will win) and then a mega fight with Canelo.
If I were Cotto I would retire and enjoy my legacy but is clear he wants to go out with a bang.Posted October 7, 2013 1:27 pm
Why should Cotto fight Sergio Martinez?? let Floyd or Canelo fight him.. Floyd has been avoiding Sergio for years and Canelo is really a middleweight.. let them grow some Balls and take on Sergio..Posted October 7, 2013 1:25 pm
That was just the type of fight Cotto needed at this juncture of his career. If he fights SM, he better go for a catch weight fight, cause really Cotto’s small at JrMW. As far as WK goes, he keeps winning, but this past weekends fight was about as ugly a fight as I’ve seen. Uhhggg, what a terrible fight that was…Posted October 7, 2013 1:23 pm
I don’t want to see Sergio martinez Beaten because he’s forced down to 154lbs.. Why should he do that? let Canelo grow a set of Balls and fight Sergio at 160lbs.. everyone knows Canelo is a Middleweight..Posted October 7, 2013 1:19 pm
Excuse me Vivek, I’m wrong on my timeline about Martinez’s injuries and layoffs but he has had them.Posted October 7, 2013 1:15 pm
Cotto took on Margarito, someone Floyd refuse to fight.. Cotto was damaged by MargaCheatos Cement Wraps.. This led to a fallout of Cotto and his trainer Evangelista which left Cotto without a real Trainer for this next fights.. The Death of Cottos Father also took a toll on Cottos ability to focus on his career.. a hard challenge because we all know how much Cotto loved his Dad.. The Cuban Trainer, although a nice guy was all Wrong for Cotto, tried to turn Cotto into a Finese Boxer.. a major mistake vs Trout and Floyd.. Roach knew this and immediately started Getting Cotto to focus on what made him a top Elite Fighter and as we see it seems to be showing Results.. We’ll see if Canelo fights Cotto under the same terms he fought Floyd… Then we can compare apples to apples.. or we’ll see if Floyd agress to a remach considering Cotto did Bloody up his nose and swell his Eyes… unlike Cinnabum who did absolutely Nothing…Posted October 7, 2013 1:13 pm
Why aren’t Floyds or Canelos Fans calling out for them to fight Sergio martinez? Floyd has been avoiding martinez for several years yet now these same idiots want to push Cotto into a fight vs 160lb Sergio martinez as they line up a fight for PBF vs 140lb Amir Khan or Danny Garcia??? LOL, what a joke…Posted October 7, 2013 1:08 pm
Brazilian Boxing Fan
Wladimir Klitschko is an idol of mine.Posted October 7, 2013 1:08 pm
Vivek, I’ll respond to a few of your comments:
“The same Cotto that walked through Delvin Rodriguez had no answer for Trout.”
Very true, Vivek, but it took Trout 12 rounds to beat the same fighter on points that Cotto just smashed in less than three rounds. This is relatively important. It’s also very important to realize that Trout had the advantage of watching Cotto fight Mayweather–what a lesson that was! This is valuable knowledge that Trout took into the ring with him when he fought Cotto. For Trout, Mayweather revealed keys to beating Miguel. Trout is no master strategist. If he was, he would have beaten Canelo by a wide margin. After watching Cotto lose to Mayweather, Trout said “I would not fight him (Cotto) like that.” Clearly Mayweather helped to prepare Trout for his battle with Miguel.
And let’s remember that Canelo got snuffed by Floyd whereas Miguel actually won a number of rounds and also put visible hurt on Mayweather. It’s not always sound reasoning to say so-and-so will beat so-and-so because he beat so-and-so and when the other guy did not. Miguel Cotto is the kind of boxer who is dangerous every time he steps into the ring. And as he proved against Rodriguez, not so predictable as many think.
“This type of blind ignorance is what has hurt Cotto throughout his entire career.”
Vivek, that ain’t blind ignorance. Actually, going back to Top Rank is probably the best thing Cotto could have done. GBP has a lot of stars and rising stars in their stable. Miguel appeared to be a falling star after his losses to Trout and Mayweather, which means GBP may have begun to no longer consider him as a bankable product. I am sure Cotto had to ask himself if he felt GBP would take care of him the way he wanted them to after he suffered those losses. I would say no, and I bet Miguel did too, and this is why he is back with Top Rank.
If nothing else, Arum knows how to make his fighters money. Arum also knows how to put on a show. Boxing fans love to watch Top Rank fights because Arum puts guys in the ring that really come to fight and put on shows. Arum is a promoter first and foremost and he does his job very well–even if we don’t like him.
Cotto is not blindly ignorant. He’s had a long fruitful career–even with his losses–because he continually strives to do the best that he can. Let’s wait and see who Miguel’s next fight is before we blow too much negative hot air about him. I mean, think about it, what kind of payday would Miguel see if he fought Sergio Martinez? I’m thinking sell-out crowd. It would be a barn buster. Where’s the blind ignorance in that move?
Regarding a fight with Martinez. Sure, on first impulse one might validly think Martinez would soundly beat Miguel. But Martinez has had debilitating injuries in his last two fights, with long layoffs in between. The man has clearly seen his better years and against Murray and Chavez Jr. had to rely on his athleticism and heart to make it through those fights undefeated.
Miguel Cotto is another beast. Contrary to the negative comments you made about his power, he has in fact carried it with him into the jr. middleweight division. He’s also durable, highly experienced, and has as much, or more, will and heart as Sergio Martinez does.
If this fight were to happen, my feelings are that Sergio would pick Cotto apart in the first half of the fight, possibly late into the fight. But if Cotto fought smart causing Sergio to expend a lot of energy without getting tagged so much himself, Cotto could start to wear Sergio down from the 8th round on. Murray had Sergio in trouble and plenty of people think Martinez got a gift win in that fight. Chavez Jr. weathered Sergio’s storm and nearly took him out when he was gassed near the end of the fight. Certainly Sergio clearly won that fight and in impressive fashion, but Chavez Jr. had his number in the 12th round and nearly shocked the world with an upset win. Miguel is a much better fighter than Jr. If Miguel had that opportunity, he would close the show for sure.Posted October 7, 2013 1:07 pm
I do agree with Vivek on Cotto’s assertion. Though no one can’t deny that Cotto is just not afraid of anyone, which is not always a good thing. He is a future HOF and that’s a fact.Posted October 7, 2013 1:06 pm
Albeziel – You can take 20 of those Bogus fights on Canelos padded record and just flush them down the toilet.. IF you Check BoxRec you’ll clearly see that his record began getting padded when he was in Mexico at the age of 13 almost 1 or 2 Cantina fights a month… Total BS.. something not allowed in the USA.. When these Mexican Fighters come to the USA with those high fight counts on their Records its because of them including many fights from before they were adults.. don’t believe me go check Canelos BoxRec fight record and look at the dates on his earlier fights.. it’s a joke, many vs guys with 0 fights to their Records.. ridiculous.. part of the Con Job..Posted October 7, 2013 1:05 pm
Public Enemy- true that, not to disrespect a boxer cause we know that is a hard profession, the issue here is that Canelo has more than 40 fights but its not like he has beaten the best at 154 or a lot of guys with 0 losses. The Trout win was a good one, no one can deny that but Morales and Marquez are the real deal when you compare them to Canelo.Posted October 7, 2013 1:00 pm
Vivek- Agree on all fronts. I was happy to see Cotto fight well, but beating Delvin the way he did means he’s still a cut above the rest, not necessarily still amongst the best. I do believe he’ll fight Martinez next because he’s really hungry for that 4th title and, as you say, that’s going to be a tough match-up. But that’s what has made Cotto what he is. He’s never shied away from the big fights, to a fault.Posted October 7, 2013 12:56 pm
Albeziel – Sorry for my misread but you too agree that comment of Canelo being a Great compared to other Greats is just silly..Posted October 7, 2013 12:48 pm
Albeziel – name one, just one Great fight Canelo has had in the ring during his entire Hyped Career? Just one.. Where he took on the Best most dangerous unbeaten opponent prior to the humiliating loss to 145lb Floyd.. Stop the Kool Aid Drinking.. the Canelo Hype Party ended two weeks ago.. thanks to Floyd..Posted October 7, 2013 12:47 pm
Putting the name of Canelo with Morales and Marquez! Canelo is a great fighter with good power, Mayweather won every round vs Canelo who had a good win against Trout, other noteworthy wins? Kermit, Baldomir, Mosley, Alfonso Gomez, Mathew Hatton, Jose Cotto.
I do consider Morales and Marquez legends but Canelo is not on that levelPosted October 7, 2013 12:43 pm
PUBLIC ENEMY: Yep, agree. The weight terms should be the same as when Mayweather fought Canelo. No exceptions. Cotto is already a small 154 anyway, so the more reason for him to demand a catchweight. I don’t like the idea of Cotto going to 160 or 161 because it will be just like when Marquez went up to welterweight for the first time. He looked so bad against Mayweather and did not win a single round. Like Marquez, Cotto has a small frame and would need at least two years to adjust to the higher weight and maybe wouldn’t adjust at all. With Martinez being such a master at that weight injured or not, Cotto would be walking into enemy territory with no armor or shield. Compromised at a higher weight which the body cannot adjust, any boxing skills or power can be lessened which could mean a decision loss at the very least.Posted October 7, 2013 12:40 pm
The only way for us to find how Cotto would fair vs Canelo would be for Cotto to fight the same 152lb Canelo Floyd fought.. you have to compare apples to apples and Oranges to Oranges.. Do you think Cotto would have a tough time vs a weight Drained 152lb Canelo??? especially the rejuvenated Cotto with a real trainer like Roach.. LOL get real.. I hope Canelos People agree to the same terms they gave Cherry Picker Floyd.. it will be a nice night of Boxing…Posted October 7, 2013 12:01 pm
So Wlad needs guys his size to beat him? Like Wach, Thompson, Pianetta? Ooops, he beat them too.Posted October 7, 2013 11:53 am
The only reason Floyd agreed to fight Canelo was because of how easily Canelo was hit by Feather Fisted Trout in their fight. How he gassed out in 3 rounds.. How he looked helpless against the Ropes.. and with that he needed a Catchweight before he’d step into the Ring with This Hype Job.. Did Tito Trinidad pick Hopkins because he was easy? Did Tito Trinidad demand a punkass CAtchweight?? Nope..Posted October 7, 2013 11:37 am
Vivek – give me a single Great Fighter Canelo has fought over his padded Career that was Great in their prime and unbeaten pre PBF??? Canelo is an all hype creation by Goldenboy Smoke and Mirrors.. mayweather out boxing him means about as much as Cotto destroying Delvin Rodriguez.. nothing.. if Tito Trinidad can move up to take on Hopkins the Middleweight Champ and you use that as one of his loses then you have to have Mayweather move up and take on a Middleweight Elite.. Mayweather would have to move up like Trinidad did and take on an Andre Ward not a hyped Canelo…Posted October 7, 2013 11:17 am
Vivek – Do you feel Canelo was anymore of a test for Mayweather? How is CAnelo any better then Delvin? who has CAnelo fought that wasn’t past their primes, smaller or shot? Where he didn’t outweigh them by over 20+lbs? Canelo is no better then Delvin.. not meant to be a hater but a realist.. Canelo has not fought anyone or done anything in the Ring to make him any better then Delvin Rod.Posted October 7, 2013 11:11 am