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Anonymous

He wasnt high during the fight…. haha!

Simply put, chavez is a good fighter but he gave martinez too much respect. He became comfortable way to late in the fight. People act like Chavez is a clown. Get off the forums and get in the ring before you talk sht.

Posted January 13, 2013 2:06 pm 


TARK

Garcia can’t be very logical or analytical if he predicted a Chavez win.. The most likely outcome was a lopsided decision victory for Martinez. That won’t change if they fight a rematch, no matter how old Martinez gets in the meantime.. Maidana’s victory over Soto Karass was a great slugfest, but not a significant accomplishment. If he beat Matthysse that would be tremendous… But I don’t expect that to happen.

Posted September 20, 2012 12:22 pm 


ROOTS

Garcia is canvassing for the job, most of these trainers today are greedy bastards.

Posted September 20, 2012 5:12 am 


Anonymous

Are you sleeping with martinez or what ? I also saw the fight and I am not biased either way but Chavez nearly dd pull out a stoppage in the 12th and that just go’s to show he could do an awful lot better next time …..jeez Chavez did not throw jabs the whole fight. That alone would have made a big difference and he just should have jumped on him and pressured him much much sooner and I also saw on 24/7 his lack of dedication to training..I watched in the uk on ppv and I saw Martinez win comfortably but I think Garcia is right in his view…..mark my words now Chavez knows he can seriously hurt Martinez the rematch will be very interesting

Posted September 20, 2012 2:45 am 


Its Me, Ernie

It’s a beaner thang.

Posted September 20, 2012 2:32 am 


M. Mendoza

Garcia is making excuses for Chavez Jr. losing. If he would have started executing the so-called plan earlier, Martinez would have for sure made him pay in triples. The knock-out didn’t happen because Martinez came back and made him pay for that anyway. It remains a knock-down. All of these could-have beens from people who just hate to see Chavez Jr. lose. Actually, the loss will help Chavez Jr. become a much greater boxer — so people shouldn’t go around trying to shake up heavens and earth to change the whole scenery of the fight just because Chavez Jr. lost.

Posted September 20, 2012 1:11 am 


night train

Hey Biker, that was the first thing I thought off after I read how Jr, got handled for 11 rounds, then almost pulled it out, ala Mike Weaver, one of the greatest one punch Kos, ever.

Posted September 19, 2012 11:20 pm 


Jab

I don’t agree with Robert Garcia’s opinion that Chavez was not in condition for the fight. How could Chavez take the beating Martinez gave him for 12 rounds if he wasn’t in condition? Chavez had the youth, size, weight, strength and chin going into the fight and Martinez turned it around to his advantage. He performed as best as he could against Martinez who simply outclassed and out fought him.

Posted September 19, 2012 10:51 pm 


Chicago guy

No one else to blame it is JCCjr. itself because he was under the influenced of marijuana. He can’t see Martinez punch coming. Roach has nothing to do for JCCjr, lost coz he is nuts.

Posted September 19, 2012 10:02 pm 


Don Quixote

Not only is Garcia a great trainer but shows his true, unbiased side by acknowledging that Freddy Roach is the best trainer, unlike some other ones who keep saying ” I’m the best trainer on earth.”

Posted September 19, 2012 9:55 pm 


Hidalgo

I meant to say: “Garcia stating that Chavez DIDN’T perform…”

Posted September 19, 2012 8:57 pm 


Hidalgo

I can’t speak for any other fan posting on these threads Joseph, but I am not voicing my opinion out of arrogance. Nor do I see why anyone of us needs to revere Garcia as you seem to insinuate we do. It’s not a matter of being humble. I am a former boxer. Only amateur, but I have about 40 official bouts under my belt. I’m also an avid fan. I think I know a lot about the sport. I know what it takes to train for a fight and I think Iknow most of the reasons why a fighter can’t or doesn’t perform when he needs to. I give Garcia’s opinion all the credence in the world. But that doesn’t mean he’s right. Garcia stating that Chavez did perform because he was not in condition seems more like a band-aid attempt to cover up the obvious–Chavez was way outclassed by Martinez. He pursued Sergio for 12 full rounds. What lack of conditioning did I miss? No one needs to believe every word Robert Garcia says just because he’s Robert Garcia. Sergio made it very difficult for Jr. to execute. That’s the real truth. And that’s why Martinez won the fight.

Posted September 19, 2012 8:55 pm 


Hidalgo

What two KD’s te tumbo”? What two? What fight did you watch? How many KDs did the ref call? Btw, the one the ref did call was not caused by a punch. So sorry Charlie but your underskilled, undertrained, pothead boy lost because he just didn’t have it–not even against a one-handed opponent.

Posted September 19, 2012 8:44 pm 


Hidalgo

“which he almost did in the best round of the entire fight.” Yeah, twelve rounds later Jr. decided he needed to do something. Like fight back. That didn’t work either.

Posted September 19, 2012 8:42 pm 


Hidalgo

Two KDs? Really? BTW, there was no “W” for Martinez to reclaim when he got up off the canvas. What he did do was finish snatching that belt from your pothead idol.

Posted September 19, 2012 8:40 pm 


Hidalgo

Canelo will not get smashed by Cotto. He won’t get smashed by Mayweather either.

Posted September 19, 2012 8:36 pm 


Hidalgo

“Damn near” only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

Posted September 19, 2012 8:34 pm 


Hidalgo

bikermike, smoke another joint. You’re still too excited about 45 seconds of the last round of that fight. Big deal. Meanwhile Martinez got up off the mat–after being thrown there, not knocked there–then proceeded to finish boxing his way to a win. Jr. didn’t earn a rematch. But Arum’s a master marketer. I see he already has you buffaloed.

Posted September 19, 2012 8:33 pm 


Hidalgo

Jr. didn’t damn near win. Martinez made sure of that.

Posted September 19, 2012 8:29 pm 


Titopa

hey!! I’m all for a rematch….now, had Chavez NOT done what he did in the 12th, we’d be laughing at the notion of a rematch, but since he pulled a “Chavez”, let’s see if he can do it again, but sooner!

Posted September 19, 2012 7:34 pm 


Leprikawn

Watching the 24/7 when JR is eating cereal in his underpants, it reminded me of the Movie Up in Smoke when Chong is making a drink and his father is yelling about how he should hang out with “That Goddamned Finkelstein kid!”

Posted September 19, 2012 7:33 pm 


te tumbo

the more Frida takes off her body the better. that troll that Cotto shows up with needs to cover herself up. unless that’s what passes for “dressing-up” in Ms. Cotto’s neighborhood(?)/

Posted September 19, 2012 6:58 pm 


TheFacts

Sergio & his promoter accepted the fight in a heart beat after he fully heals.Lets keep it real floyd,canelo,cottto won’t accept fighting him anytime soon anyways he just beat a light heavyweight & Sergio’s popularity/credibility can only go up if he beats jr not once but twice.Not like fans got a choice anyways you either watch the fight or you don’t they’ll fight because it makes sense business wise,money has always talked & triumphed in this business/sport.Not worried though Sergio will take care of business & be one step closer to floyd or canelo,cotto or whoever wants it.Let him fight a guy his size once in a while damn pavlic,williams,macklin jr even darren barker was bigger than Serg cut him some slack & give credit were its dues.p4p #2 & the most avoided/dangerous fighter out there aside from Rigondeaux.

Posted September 19, 2012 6:55 pm 


te tumbo

and if Martinez stalls with confirming the most lucrative matchup for him out there, what will that tell you?

Posted September 19, 2012 6:54 pm 


te tumbo

your first sentences sums it up nicely. unfortunately, some people have got a lot of something other than boxing up their collective asses, where so much of their criticism seems to come from.

Posted September 19, 2012 6:51 pm 


te tumbo

never mind coulda-shoulda-woulda. there was only one fight-plan for Junior all along and it did result in a cut, two KDs, and a desperate Martinez rising from the canvas to reclaim his “W”. there’s no reason to believe that a wiser Chavez Jr. can’t improve on this performance, e.g., if he puts Martinez in trouble in the 10th, Chavez Jr. escapes with the win-is-a-win, is-a-win, is-a-win, is-a-Win.

Posted September 19, 2012 6:49 pm 


Titopa

That would require Chavez learning how to “box” by the time their rematch comes to fruition (which won’t be long). Now, had he done “okay” during those 11 rounds, I’d agree with you….but he was TOTALLY and DRAMATICALLY outclassed during those 11 rounds (and half of rd. 12), it was like night and day. Sergio was making it look EASY! How much can Chavez improve in 6 months? 3 of those months spent transforming from “brawler” to “boxer”? C’MonnN?!? Martinez has proven he can STILL improve, there were mistakes he made (If I saw them, his trainer certainly did too) and time when he could’ve taken advantage of certain situations, but he didn’t, if they fight again, he WILL. Just as I told you he WOULD OUTCLASS Chavez!

Posted September 19, 2012 6:45 pm 


Titopa

And Chavez managed to take a 34 minute a** whoopin and still summoned the power to drop Sergio, was that not conditioning? Certainly was. It will ultimately come down to skill (in a rematch), a department in which Sergio proved to be FAR greater!

Posted September 19, 2012 6:39 pm 


TheFacts

Yes the bigger jr did hurt hurt Sergio & caught him off guard no excuses though it was a good punch.All i’m saying is i don’t expect it happening again,Sergio is an elite fighter jr is a solid good fighter.Every true great pugilist gets better the 2nd time around.Jr didn’t just hurt Sergio because he was bigger but Martinez had put a 1000 punch clinic,gassed out & is a 37 yr old jnr middleweight(154lb)I was not surprised Jr hurt Serg just didn’t expect it that late in the fight.More credit to jr though it’s not an easy task to do,Sergio will not get careless the 2nd time around & accepted the rematch in a heartbeat after he fully heals.Sergio already has the blue print like Marquez has pac’s.He got down/hurt but he got back up like a true champion fought toe2toe while hurt & hurt jr back.I expect another boxing clinic by Sergio,except jr not hurting him this time.It couldn’t be any more clearer.

Posted September 19, 2012 6:39 pm 


bikermike

There is no body to BLAME…it was a fight between a built up young guy who should not have been fighting at that weight….
and an established Pro…who is hard to hit..and hits you a lot of times.

THe fight went the way most knowledgeble fight fans thought it would go………THEN….WHAM…….a kid who was losing each and every round…caught Martinez….and damned near won…

REEEEEMMMAAAATCH

Posted September 19, 2012 6:36 pm 


bikermike

i’ll give junior some slack(brain trust too)….junior fought a top fighter…

Posted September 19, 2012 6:32 pm 


bikermike

GUy had a bad day…..let’s see if the next fight says the nay sayers are wrong…

Now the thing is….when and who will that next fighter be ??

Posted September 19, 2012 6:30 pm 


te tumbo

“So, is Chavez the ONLY one with room to improve?” absolutely Junior has a LOT of room for improvement. Martinez has peaked. he’s plenty versatile and experienced and a P4P fighter by any standard. although, he now has a deep dent in his gas tank to deal with. at 26, Junior can only get better. once again, C’Monnn?!? you’re trying too hard to not seem like a Chavez Jr. fan.

Posted September 19, 2012 6:29 pm 


te tumbo

“How was it obvious?” he threw 900+ punches while being pursued by a “cruiserweight” and still managed to get up from two KDs in the 12th and final round. THAT is superb conditioning by any standard.

Posted September 19, 2012 6:27 pm 


bikermike

if anything…all the true test of the effects of marijuana got put to the test with that Snow BOARD guy….who tested positive for MJ…and was disqualified for his Olympic medal…and then it was over turned….

It turns out…if a guy wants to take a double Jack Daniels…it’s ok….but god seek out him and his family….if he had some weed in the last thirty five days.

actually……the competition on the ‘hills’ got so bad….ski folks wanted to kill snow boarders…from day one…

Posted September 19, 2012 6:24 pm 


te tumbo

“If Jrs last name was different . . .” he’d have you to hug his nuts like Pavlik’s.

Posted September 19, 2012 6:21 pm 


bikermike

reno…you ever smoke dope ???? I have…and still do….
you either want to nail an opponent for this charge……or you are just a hypocrate…

Nobody murdered their parents or wife and children on marijuana….tell me I’m lyn’

Posted September 19, 2012 6:14 pm 


bikermike

reno…this USA war against drugs has caused more harm than good.

Over ninety percent of the folks in prison are there for posession…not dealing.
When you go to jail….a joint will be detected for a month and a half…..a shot of horse will be gone in 24 hours.

Guess what happens ??

Posted September 19, 2012 6:11 pm 


bikermike

WTF….given the honourable and ethical folks involved in Boxing….do you think junior will give Martinez a rematch ????

My opinion….(not that anyone asked for it)….junior can’t fight top guys at that weight..so he’s gonna have to move up…

Matinez could get tricked into a half weight raise in weight….and fight junior again….with junior weighing what he should..

…keep in mind I called Custer over the Indians…so wtf do I know

Posted September 19, 2012 6:07 pm 


bikermike

TGO….true

Martinez had junior talking to himself up and to that last round punch….Martinez is hard to hit…and you get hit lots of times when you fight him.

…….until that last round.
With all the money and promotion behind junior…..that last round …Hail Mary ..Punch should get him some wiggle room. Martinez just pisses his pants…when he thinks about a rematch with junior…

Posted September 19, 2012 6:03 pm 


bikermike

I almost didn’t cum….when I first tried to ‘enter’ that hooker in West Germany in 1968….I was seventeen yrs old…and it was my first ‘MAJOR EVENT’…

believe be….’almost’ doesn’t make it !!!

Posted September 19, 2012 5:59 pm 


bikermike

bruser…..tell me …what do you think about the weigt thing…..do you think junior was too drained..to give us his best that night ??…in other words…was he fighting at the wrong weight ???

Posted September 19, 2012 5:53 pm 


9throundKO

Totally agree with you. This is easy money for Martinez. Like taking candy from a baby. There is no way Chavez beats Martinez. If I’m Martinez, I take this fight without a second thought. He’s probably gonna make double the money for the rematch any how…..

Posted September 19, 2012 5:52 pm 


bikermike

te tumbo…….nice post

Posted September 19, 2012 5:51 pm 


bikermike

wtf….it ain’t the fighter junior and braintrust are worried about ….it is the scale

Posted September 19, 2012 5:50 pm 


bikermike

fact…..

we saw the last round….at least those who were still awake…..and saw that punch land….

I’ll knotch back my bias on junior….he was trying right to the end…and he damned near pulled off a Mike Weaver over ‘big ‘ John Tate….

junior could use the credibilty if he could beat Martinez…..but….he did throw a wrench into the spokes….in that last round..

If junior can’t fight at this weight anymore…..so be it…..but present rules….the rematch would sell……could be a career maker/ender for junior

Posted September 19, 2012 5:46 pm 


bikermike

reno ….ever smoke some gange…..??? let he who be without sin…cast the first roach clip

Posted September 19, 2012 5:41 pm 


bikermike

shane….kinda go along with you there pal……..but that ‘Hail Mary ‘ punch jr landed …should give him one more shot at redemption……..provided he weighs in on fight day…instead of a week early…….otherwise…junior should move up ….it would still sell…with a little spin ….given that last round punch that just about turned it around

Posted September 19, 2012 5:39 pm 


bikermike

OK….I’m guilty of a bias…
For the Chavez Jr fans….what is that man’s best fighting weight ?(not weigh in weight)…Starving and dehydrating down a cupla pounds…or even a pound…or so…….may be part of the Boxing thing…..but if that is what weight you are fighting …then ….that is the weight you should be fighting …..I am so sick of a supposed Welter Weight Championship..or contender fight taking place between two fighters who weigh close to 160 pounds….instead of the TItle or Fight they claim to be fighting. IF making weight is so important to make the fight legitimate…then weigh in that day …just like the Olym,pics

Posted September 19, 2012 5:35 pm 


bikermike

I say it is time to combine the Titles….

Make same day weigh ins the matter of course !!
When a fighter can no longer make weight at a certain division(thousands thought they may be)..the fighter must move along…rather than block the road for the young lions who have been held back.

Sure …some promoters will be pissed off…..but the Sport will improve exponentially………more Title shots….more contender shots…nobody blocks the path….and with so many good fights…we don’t need four…five..or six ‘world champions’ for the plethora of Titles..interim titles….and left handed titles….right handed titles……get the picture

Posted September 19, 2012 5:30 pm 


bikermike

I’ll meet you half way….lets’ see Canelo fight the top guys…..Not that it’s up to him of course.

Promoters are the guys that call the shots…not the fighters…and the rules went South somewhere around leonard Hagler

Posted September 19, 2012 5:25 pm 


bikermike

hold it….you can’t speak that way about a curvy horny woman….it ain’t right….it just ain’t right

Posted September 19, 2012 5:23 pm 


bikermike

yeh…..what WDF said

Posted September 19, 2012 5:21 pm 


bikermike

Ordinarily ….I’d agree with you pal……

but that Hail Mary punch junior landed in the last round….
If I were Martinez…I’d take the rematch…he can’t do any better money wise..for a fight in the near future.

Martinez handled Chavez Jr well …he should take the rematch..and bank the money. Chavez Jr will bring Martinez a lot of cash ….and remember how easily Martinez handled junior…………..’cept for that last punch in the last round. It will sell

Posted September 19, 2012 5:19 pm 


Titopa

How was it obvious? Because he schooled Chavez for 34 minutes? Chavez remained strong after 34 minutes of getting out classed, out jabbed, out punched and out skilled. Was he not “ready”?? If you ask me, he was VERY ready (physically)….the ONLY thing lacking was his “abilities” (skills), which won’t change from now until their rematch, I expect Sergio to attack more (as he had Chavez backing up SEVERAL times) and plant his feet to deliver fight changing punches, something he didn’t really do, he was too comfortable (IMO) just landing. It’s a two way street no matter how you slice it. It’s 100% clear who the better “boxer” is. It’ll come down who can develop a better “game-plan” then they had in the first fight? If there’s a rematch. we’ll see!

Posted September 19, 2012 5:12 pm 


Titopa

No. All she did was remove the Chavez symbol (headband) off of her body the moment her man began getting schooled by Sergio.

Posted September 19, 2012 5:06 pm 


Titopa

Nope! My cousin doesn’t post on here….there are far TOO MANY people who believe that Canelo’s more than “ready” for someone like Mayweather, what theses “fans” don’t understand is that Canelo hasn’t beaten ANYONE in the top 5 of his division, so how can they possibly think he can beat the arguably the TOP guy in the entire sport? Canelo would get humiliated by Floyd, those same people (family members) thought (said) that Chavez was a better “boxer” than Sergio, I mean, damn, what the heck do these peoples watch when they “watch” these guys fight?

Posted September 19, 2012 5:05 pm 


Shane

If Jrs last name was different noone would even be trying to figure out why the kid has zero boxing ability…..only an ability to make weight to fight smaller foes. Move up to Supermiddle and take on your own size Jr…….see what happens. :mrgreen:

Posted September 19, 2012 5:03 pm 


Reno

Maybe it was the cannabis that chavez tested positive for.

Posted September 19, 2012 4:59 pm 


Shane

Chavez lost simply because he was never good enough to beat the top guys and never will be. :cool:

Posted September 19, 2012 4:58 pm 


Moonshineman

Garcia is 100% correct.

Posted September 19, 2012 4:55 pm 


Reno

Maybe it was the marijuana that chavez tested positive for.

Posted September 19, 2012 4:55 pm 


royjoneslastfight

Chavez girlfriend QUIT CHAVEZ DURING THE FIGHT !!! ROFL

Posted September 19, 2012 4:53 pm 


te tumbo

another bitter loser blowing a gasket because he’s got no more beefcake in trunks to pin-up on the walls of his parent’s basement aka his South Bronx “crib”.

Posted September 19, 2012 4:45 pm 


Ross

The weight caught up with him when he finally fought a top class fighter.

What a coincidence.

Posted September 19, 2012 4:44 pm 


te tumbo

speaking of “sluts”. at least she didn’t embarrass her man by dressing like a slut for his PPV bout, e.g., Ms. Cotto. of course, she’s just using her man for an all-expense-paid trip to Vegas where she might find a real man with a job. like Millie with DLH . . . :twisted:

Posted September 19, 2012 4:41 pm 


te tumbo

is your cousin also known as “Public Enema”? that boy doesn’t dare post on these threads any more after i got through with him. kind of like Morel quitting on his stool. no brains, no courage, no heart. Geez(?!). that could be the slogan over the entrance to every boxing gym in Puelto Lico . . . :twisted:

Posted September 19, 2012 4:39 pm 


te tumbo

C’Monnn?!? it’s obvious that Martinez was superbly trained and conditioned for this bout. he can’t train any harder but if he does, i’m sure his groupies will cite “overtraining” for why he got KTFO.

Posted September 19, 2012 4:36 pm 


te tumbo

Btw, not every woman is like Hector Lavoe’s gold-digging ho. at least not every woman outside of the South Bronx.

Posted September 19, 2012 4:34 pm 


te tumbo

is her name Frieda or J-Ho? . . . :twisted:

Posted September 19, 2012 4:33 pm 


pugfan

Maidana is one of my favorite fighters to watch now. you will never see him in a boring scrap!

Posted September 19, 2012 4:22 pm 


Pain

Shut up. Martinez is not that great. Pac have to give away a significant height and weight advantage against Margarito and he completely destroyed him. Martinez on the other hand, can’t even finish a petrified and slow as molasses Chavez Jr.

Posted September 19, 2012 4:22 pm 


Kiy

Robert Garciia is a punk !

Posted September 19, 2012 4:20 pm 


doobie

its a shame, martinez is a great fighter and and did beat juniors ass, fair and square, no rematch should even be considered, there are better fights for martinez,martinez please dont give him a rematch. fans dont want to see that , fight a world class fighter next time,and do what you do best, win

Posted September 19, 2012 4:08 pm 


TheFacts

Respect Garcia,but no fighter just gives a fight away that’s just plain stupid & a bs excuse,jr didn’t accidentally not engage.He tried engaging many times throughout the fight but couldn’t hurt Sergio,that & the fact Martinez was countering the living crap out of jr stepping him back.Won’t pay for a rematch i know these ignorant jr will though.They like thinking what if & almost lol.Expect an even better performance by Sergio this time.Jr will not get lucky the 2nd time around.

Posted September 19, 2012 3:59 pm 


The Mad Scientist

It was nice arguing with all of you but Im now setting my sights to Oct.13 and putting Chavez/Martinez behind me for now..see you kids when you get there if you ever decide to move on to the next show..later gators!

Posted September 19, 2012 3:55 pm 


WTF?

STOP WITH THE FKN EXCUSESSSS!!!!! ALREADY!!!!! MARTINEZ EASILY BEAT CHAVEZ JR!!!! STOP BEING SUCH FKN SORE LOSERSSSS!!!! HAVE SOME FKN CLASS AND DIGNITY AND GIVE MARTINEZ THE CREDIT HE EARNED!!! if anyone could make excuses it would be Martinez…

Posted September 19, 2012 3:38 pm 


Titopa

God. You have no clue how many of my ignorant family members are COMPLETELY SOLD on Canelo. My punk a** cousin had the audacity to say that Canelo would KO Mayweather in 2 rounds, and he wasn’t joking. Geez!

Posted September 19, 2012 3:31 pm 


Dave

I can’t believe how many people are missing this. Chavez did the same thing that all the fighters do when the wieght-draining catches up with the. Chavez made the weight, but was too damaged to have any energy, that’s why he waited so long because he knew he was vulnerable and Martinez had to much energy. Iv’e seen this with many fighters, they weigh in, and after a certain amout of times doing this, comes the one time where it catches up with them, and they have to give away the first rounds because they know if they open up, they don’t have the energy to finish. It was also bad with DeLaHoya when he fought pacquiuo, he drained the weight, but when it came to fighting the body just didn’t respond like it usually did and he had to conserve. Chavez Junior was simply reserving what he had in the tank, and if they fight again, he will be just as weak and will have to give away too many rounds. It’s his own damn fault, suck it up and get your ass to a proper weight division Cavez!

Posted September 19, 2012 3:29 pm 


Titopa

Ouch!! Lol

Posted September 19, 2012 3:27 pm 


WTF?

Frieda’s Just another Gold Digger, she’ll leave him a Broke Alcoholic loser hooked on Drugs just like Chavez Sr’s X-wife did to him…

Posted September 19, 2012 3:25 pm 


Titopa

What’s to say that Martinez (now knowing what Chavez is capable of) won’t train harder and prepare himself better? So, is Chavez the ONLY one with room to improve? Martinez can just come out (in a rematch) and do an even better job. It’s a two way street playa!

Posted September 19, 2012 3:25 pm 


Titopa

Agreed! They can say Chavez “should’ve done this” “could’ve done that” “would’ve done this” all they want…bottom line is when it came down “to do it”, he could NOT.

Posted September 19, 2012 3:24 pm 


Titopa

We laughed our a**es off when they panned to her (once Martinez established superiority) and she was no longer wearing the bandana…haha! Damn, she couldn’t even support her man during the time of need.

Posted September 19, 2012 3:22 pm 


sweet_scientist

Good AUDITION for the JOB as Chavez JR’s NEW trainer…

Posted September 19, 2012 3:19 pm 


WTF?

Lets just Hope that the Chavez Camp doesn’t chicken out of Martinez Rematch.. I don’t believe his camp, or Dad believe Chavez Jr. can beat Martinez.. they may start looking for smaller safer opponents like Hype Job Canelo…. :grin:

Posted September 19, 2012 3:14 pm 


X boxer

Garcia is absolutely right when he says that chavez lost the fight because he didn’t take his training seriously enough. If there is a second fight and Chavez trains the way a boxer who is going into such an important fight should train, Chavez will win the fight and I bet that next time if there is next time Chavez will even knock out martinez.

Posted September 19, 2012 3:13 pm 


Winetaster

And yes, this reminds me of the monday morning quarterback. If he done this, done that,….etc.etc. The fact is the man couldn’t do it when he was suppose to because the actual event is a holistic picture which includes mental, physical, internal , physical skill and not if I could have…….

Posted September 19, 2012 3:12 pm 


Titopa

“almost” doesn’t count.

Posted September 19, 2012 3:12 pm 


WTF?

He’s done this rehydration dirty trick many times before as in the Andy Lee fight and it’s never been an issue for him.. stop with the excuses.. he didn’t run out of gas.. face it.. he got his Cheating ASSSSS WAXXXEEED by a one handed smaller older guy he said should be fighting his Plastic Faced Father!!! in humiliating fashion in front of Millions…. even his father spat on him after the fight.. Sucio!!!

Posted September 19, 2012 3:10 pm 


te tumbo

you can try and repress the memory all you want but Junior almost beat Sergio on his less-than-best night. check the videotape.

Posted September 19, 2012 3:06 pm 


te tumbo

the same imbeciles are at it again. IF Chavez Jr. is rehydrating 30lbs overnight as THEY inSist, then how difficult is it to draw the logical conclusion that he showed up with half-a-tank to begin with? conversely, fight-fans like myself can agree with Garcia without any hint of bias or bipolar contradictions. after all, we’re not making the “size ‘cheats’ skills” argument. Junior isn’t “too big”. Martinez is simply a crafty, superior, and unconventional southpaw boxer-puncher and (as Garcia reaffirmed) Junior’s only chance was to walk and sock him Down, which he almost did in the best round of the entire fight.

Posted September 19, 2012 3:03 pm 


Joseph Herron

Wow, I’m about to publish an article in which one of the greatest matchmakers in the history of boxing states that he thinks Canelo is ready to fight the best in the sport…I hope everyone takes what this great man has to say with more credence.

Posted September 19, 2012 3:01 pm 


Joseph Herron

You’re right on point, WTF!! All the intrigue with this match-up is great for the sport…can you believe we’re all discussing another big event that has absolutely nothing to do with Floyd Jr. or Pacquiao? I love it!!

Posted September 19, 2012 2:54 pm 


ThaaaBruiser

I don’t think Garcia, who I consider to be very good trainer whereas I’m just a fan, is seeing everything as it actually played out. I think Jr. did the best he could, it just wasn’t good enough. Its hard to be assertive when being sharply countered. I’m positive Jr. was trying to let his hands go, but Sergio’s skills shut down Jr.’s offense. It’s easy to say “let your hands go” or “be more assertive”, and Jr. did try to walk through Sergio’s shots, but had to cover up and many times back off because he was being stung by Sergio’s power. Jr. also has to plant himself to throw with power, and Sergio’s countering always caught him as he was trying to get into position to throw. Jr. was finally in position in the 12th, but Sergio fought his way out and made it to the end. Garcia thinks Jr. is to blame? Blame Arum and Dibella for making the fight, this was always going to this way, and again in a pointless rematch. Will be a nice payday for Sergio though….

Posted September 19, 2012 2:54 pm 


Titopa

I agree! I don’t like “ifs and buts” either but if there’s a rematch (very likely), ifs and buts help asses what can possibly happen in a rematch. I believe the “respect” Chavez showed Martinez was ALL DUE to Martinez’s abilities, Chavez was flat out worried about being hit, which is why he held back, that and the fact that Chavez couldn’t plant his feet long enough to deliver a meaningful blow, it wasn’t until Martinez himself became stationary that Chavez landed.

Posted September 19, 2012 2:51 pm 


Joseph Herron

Well, if I have to trust an opinion, I will trust the opinion of one of the most respected trainers in boxing. When you talk about Garcia having to cover his losses…you’re more than likely speaking relatively because Robert couldn’t care less about what anyone thinks of his predictions before a fight…he’s not a handicapper.

Every great trainer that I’ve spoken to about this topic states the exact same thing: a fighter who is not confident in his conditioning appears gunshy until the very end of the fight. Every great trainer that I’ve spoken to states the exact same thing.

You guys can either choose to learn from his words, or not. Robert already knows this…his comments are for the benefit of fight fans who are interested in learning more about the sport. I just can’t believe how people on this forum quickly discounts his thoughts on the matter. Sheeesh.

Posted September 19, 2012 2:49 pm 


The Real American Oak

No, on his best night he could not beat Sergio.

Posted September 19, 2012 2:47 pm 


TGO

Same thing happened to rios when he got taken to skool.

Posted September 19, 2012 2:47 pm 


TGO

One other thing I think people lose sight of is that Sergio martinez sorta rocked people to sleep w/ the Barker & MAcklin fights. I thought all along he was struggling to get up for those fights & to me it showed in the performance. Roach & team chavez & many others prolly thought he was declining. But they forgot that the guy loves the big moment & seems to love to rise to the occasion & shine. I think they were very surprised by how fast in hand and feet Martinez was. That also confounded Jr. The expression on his face showed it in the middle rds. He was constantly trying to get into position to strike but his target kept disappearing & se was getting struck..hard. Very discouraging. He was really scared to punch w/ sergio. So he was comfortable catching all those shots to preserve his energy…protect himself & try to land something hard.

Posted September 19, 2012 2:46 pm 


Titopa

Yup! Chavez simply looked “shocked” at what Martinez was able to do with EASE!

Posted September 19, 2012 2:45 pm 


Titopa

I think he should move up too (as does Freddie Roach), but what I’m saying is that if he INSISTS on staying at 160llbs (which is likely) then he needs to change his lifestyle, in order to minimize the weight cut, thus allowing more training time.

Posted September 19, 2012 2:44 pm 


The Best!

Titopa in alot of cases Chavez gave Martinez way too much respect, he wouldnt put combinations together to try and hurt Martinez. If he would of fought just 4 rounds the way he fought the 12th round who know what could of happened.. If could of should of, but the reality is he didnt. But lets be honest here Jr.’s skills are very limited and he doesnt have the skills or heart of his father.

Posted September 19, 2012 2:41 pm 


Joseph Herron

Wow…Garcia’s opinion is now considered an uninformed one? Not only is Robert an elite level trainer, but he’s a former world champion as well. Did he discuss these topics with Chavez Jr. or Freddie Roach before or after the fight? No…but he’s been around fighters his entire life and saw the signs of an athlete who was questioning his conditioning on Saturday night. What I find so difficult to comprehend is how most fight fans on this forum don’t take the opinion of a trainer who works with some of the best talent in boxing with more credence? Shocking…maybe if more fans were to listen to what these trainers had to say with a more humble frame of mind, they might actually learn more about the sport and have greater appreciation for both men in the ring.

Posted September 19, 2012 2:37 pm 


TGO

Haha..yeah. Sometimes I read multiple comments at once. But I think u & i saw the fight similarly.

Posted September 19, 2012 2:37 pm 


Titopa

Yup! Chavez looked to be 185lb +

Posted September 19, 2012 2:37 pm 


Titopa

WTF? – You are correct. I guess what I mean is that he could’ve “let his hands go” more, he seemed tentative and worried of what was coming back at him, all credit to Martinez of course, but had he done what he did (in the 12th) early on, he might’ve been stopped.

Posted September 19, 2012 2:36 pm 


WTF?

It’s Called DAMAGE CONTROL … :lol:

Posted September 19, 2012 2:33 pm 


WTF?

Sergio Martinez fights the fight of his Career Boxing off Chave Jr’s ears off and getting off the floor to continue boxing Chavez Jr’s ears off and all we see on ESB is articlce about Chavez Jr. this and Chavez Jr. that???? Excuse after Excuse!!! ROFLMAO.. Just like we saw when young Green Danny Garcia Obliterated Amir Khan.. all we saw was article after article on Amir Khan? and almost nothing on Danny Garcia??? See a pattern here??? :lol:

Posted September 19, 2012 2:32 pm 


Titopa

AGREED! Thus, “training harder”….if he truly insists at staying at 160 (looks like he will for some time), then he needs to change his lifestyle. I’m sure he can stay in the low 180′s (lbs) between fights if he were to eat right/healthier and stay in shape.

Posted September 19, 2012 2:31 pm 


Sergio

Martinez injured his left hand in the 4th. That may have had something to do with him not going for the KO when the kid was retreating. ALso, I think it is hard for a MW to KO someone who weights over 180 lbs.

Posted September 19, 2012 2:30 pm 


WTF?

If Cutting that much weight is such a big deal for Chavez Jr. why doesn’t Chavez Jr. fight Guys his true Size so he doesn’t have to lose so much weight??? Cutting weight has not been an issue for him before why is it now the excuse???? besides we all know he doesn’t do anything special to cut weight except use Dieuretics to Piss Waterfalls out his ARZZZZ… :evil:

Posted September 19, 2012 2:28 pm 


Sergio

The extra weight gives Chavez a huge advantage when it comes down to absorbing and delivering punches. Had he weighted 170 or less he would have been KOd by Sergio before the 6th round, no doubt.
I sort of feel sorry for Junior. he seems like a good person, Martinez himself said that yesterday. But the expectations they created around his name are way out of proportion. The kid has a huge hart, a solid chin and a decent left hook. But he is not an elite level fighter.

Posted September 19, 2012 2:27 pm 


Titopa

I answered my own question?? Lol. Must’ve missed it. But I agree! I personally don’t think Chavez “saved” his energy, I believe Martinez’s speed/skills were far greater than Chavez had expected them to be, like they say, “it’s much different when you see it in front of you than when you see it on TV”. Chavez “felt” Martinez’s skills.

Posted September 19, 2012 2:27 pm 


TGO

The injury update said Sergio came into camp feeling discomfort in his knee…

Posted September 19, 2012 2:26 pm 


WTF?

Titopa – Chavez Jr. did try to Pressure Martinez Earlier all it got him was a Bloody Nose, Mouth and Swollen eyes… Anytime Chavez Jr. tried to pressure Martinez, Martinez would make him pay with hard precise shots stopping Chavez Jr. in his Tracks and actually forcing him to retreat…

Posted September 19, 2012 2:24 pm 


Sergio

Joseph, Garcia predicted a Chavez jr win, so he obviously needs to cover his loses.
If Chavez Jr conditioned a problem he would have faded off as the fight progressed. A poorly conditioned boxer does not show that kind of explosiveness in the 12th round. But my point is actually that it wasn;t the conditioning what made the difference, but the skill level of the boxer. That was apparent throughout the entire fight.

Posted September 19, 2012 2:23 pm 


Joshua

:lol: Chavez fans are crazy lol. i watch the fight again yesterday and it is plan to see that Martinez is just on a different level than him. May he rest in piece after the rematch :cry:

Posted September 19, 2012 2:16 pm 


TGO

Cosign. U answered ur own question. Guys keep their hands at home for fear of being touched while vulnerable & out of position. SM throws in bunches as well. He’s kinda like a souped of version of pacquiao in that way….only a bit more intelligent & crafty.

Posted September 19, 2012 2:12 pm 


TGO

U my friend…are exactly right. Chavez camp said he had to lose 35LBS to make weight. He almost passed out at the weigh-in. Roy Jones said he looked like a cruiser. It’s not about how much time he put in the gym. He has to have this be a lifestyle….ala bernard hopkins. He has to truly let his body adjust it’s size over time. Bernard was a big MW. But he always walked around on fight weight. He had a 27 inch waist wen he was at MW. That tells me…his training & preparation & eating habits & lifestyle did not start & stop w/ camp. They were full time focus for him.

Posted September 19, 2012 2:09 pm 


Titopa

I re-watched the fight (for the 3rd time) and there was instances when Chavez had Martinez right where he wanted him (against the ropes) but Martinez EASILY backed Chavez off of him with stinging upper cuts or right hooks….it was NOT due to Chavez giving Martinez “respect”, it was simply Martinez being too slick.

Posted September 19, 2012 2:06 pm 


Titopa

The main issue with Chavez is “cutting weight”, he has to put/invest aside time to cut the weight, as where Martinez (due to size) can spend pretty much his ENTIRE training camp to “train”, Chavez does not have that luxury. He probably spends a quarter of the time cutting weight. He either A) needs to move in weight or B) train harder. It’s that simple.

Posted September 19, 2012 2:01 pm 


Hidalgo

But to recant a bit, I have to say there’s no doubt that Jr. blowing off training and not taking it seriously, had to have a negative impact on his performance. You can’t execute what you don’t know. Obviously Jr. didn’t know a lot last Saturday night.

Posted September 19, 2012 1:54 pm 


Hidalgo

Actually Joseph, Garcia was giving an opinion–but not an informed one. He even said he based his opinion on what he saw on the HBO 24/7 series for the Martinez/Chavez Jr. fight. I don’t think you wrote that he said he personally talked to Chavez to find out why he had such a lackluster performance. Notwithstanding my previous comments about Garcia, I do firmly believe that Chavez holding back had nothing to do with his conditioning but more to do with his lack of skills and confidence in himself. He didn’t let go with his punches because he couldn’t. Sergio made sure of that.

Posted September 19, 2012 1:52 pm 


Jake Lead Rights

There is no doubt that Chavez was out classed, Sergio fought in spectacular fashion and I really don’t see that a second time around ending any differently. But the question that this article presents is what if Chavez had listned to Freddy and what if Chavez hadn’t spent his whole camp just trying to lose weight. In his little mind he thought that he had the skill, strength and intelligence to beat Sergio. But the out come proved other wise. Everyone saw him losing this fight but him and his dad. His dad could’ve also been more vocal about training. But from what we’ve learned about Jr. is that he really doesn’t like to put the time in the gym and he likes to do things his way. And we all saw how that worked out. The kids spoiled and has always gotten his way so he did and his way lost the fight. Maybe next time he’ll listen.

Posted September 19, 2012 1:51 pm 


Titopa

I somewhat agree with Garcia…but what everyone is forgetting is that if Chavez HAD pressured Martinez sooner/harder he “might” have given Martinez better openings to land cleaner and harder (early on), Martinez would’ve been fresher and “healthier” in the early rounds….and seeing as how apparent the speed/reflexes/skill difference was, one can only image what an “extremely aggressive” Chavez would’ve walked into early on. I too feel that Martinez gave Chavez too much respect, I mean, the way he had Chavez “dazed & confused” was shocking, Why didn’t Martinez press? Who knows, but he wouldn’t have had to press had Chavez attacked sooner, the openings would’ve been there. I see Chavez getting stopped in a 2nd fight, he’ll press harder and sooner…thus allowing a fresher Martinez to land at will.

Posted September 19, 2012 1:50 pm 


Hidalgo

Not to mention, Joseph, everyone watching the televised fight could hear Roach tell Jr. over and over to let his hands go. But he did not. Why? No confidence in his ability to beat Martinez. His 12th round moment of glory was also a moment of desperation–not skill. Martinez admits he made a mistake. He’ll never do that again.

Posted September 19, 2012 1:48 pm 


Hidalgo

“Chavez Sr was having Convulsions in his Chair ranting and bothering Chavez Jr’s corner with idiotic instructions.” Yeah, and Freddie Roach should never have permitted that to happen. Only Jr.’s corner should be giving him advice/instructions on how to fight.

Posted September 19, 2012 1:45 pm 


Hidalgo

I also think Garcia is wrong about why Chavez didn’t engage earlier. I don’t think it had a thing to do with training or conditioning. Martinez simply out-smarted and outboxed him. Every time Jr. thought about throwing a punch, Martinez stung him with a pot shot. And some of those shots were hard. Too bad Martinez broke his hand in the 4th. We might have seen Jr. go down otherwise.

Posted September 19, 2012 1:43 pm 


WTF?

All this debate and discussion is good. Basically it means REMATCH!!!!!.. Will Chavez Jr. properly train, get himself a new trainer, listen to his trainer.. will Martinez Heal, will he age overnight, can he have the same stamina, will his injuries resurface during a rematch? Can he stop Chavez Jr. this time.. all great questions that can only be answered in a rematch.. I’m glad for Martinez. He’s earned his Huge Paydays and the admiration of his people and boxing Fans around the World…

Posted September 19, 2012 1:42 pm 


Hidalgo

Robert, I respect you as a top caliber trainer and I think you are one of the best trainer’s in the business, but Jr. did NOT almost knock Martinez out. He hurt him for sure, but even after he went down, Sergio got back up and went to war for the remainder of the 12th round. The 12th round was the final round so there’s no “almost” to the outcome. Sergio whipped Jr.’s butt and that’s that. But I do appreciate your sincerity and honesty in how discussed your opinion of the fight and Jr.s actions–or lack of.

Posted September 19, 2012 1:41 pm 


Clown face

Garcia can think that all he wants, the bottom line if Chavez would fight harder he would only walk into harder punches and get stoped sooner, he would tire and chase and get hit all night. I don’t know why cats are making a big deal about Chavez. Boxing is a cruel mistress and if you don’t train hard you can be killed in there. It don’t matter what your last name is, if you don’t respect your trainer or the sport then you are getting beat up.Chavez should know “a hard head makes for a soft ass”

Posted September 19, 2012 1:32 pm 


WTF?

Excuses Excuses Excuses.. Chavez Jr. was trying to get Martinez and trying to hit him but everytime he through Martinez would Counter him and hurt him several times…There were plenty of times where Chavez Jr. was trying to press the action and a hard shot from Martinez would freeze him on the spot and make him start backing off… Martinez in many of the Rounds was actually the aggressor easily hitting a befuddled Chavez Jr. who looked like he had no clue what to do… It was laughable.. everyone at the Bar I was at was applauding for Martinez after every round and exchange where he hit and hurt Chavez Jr. even after Chavez Jr. landed his two shots everyone was cheering for Martinez after he got up and continued to out box a plodding Chavez Jr… it was just too one sided in favor of Martinez… Chavez Sr was having Convulsions in his Chair ranting and bothering Chavez Jr’s corner with idiotic instructions..

Posted September 19, 2012 1:31 pm 


finster

Chavez lost because he was outclassed! Simple as that! He has limited skills, and if God himself trained him and he worked his ass off…..HE WOULD STILL GET WAXED<TAXED AND RELAXED!

Posted September 19, 2012 1:14 pm 


Tiger

Martinez was also very tired at that point and get caught with a punch where he couldn’t defend which he himself has admitted he screwed up. Remember, Martinez took some more bombs afterwards and Chavez couldn’t put him down. This time, he saw the punches coming.

Could it have been better if Chavez found away to let his hands go earlier? Sure. But remember, Martinez’s legs were also fresh and uninjured most of the fight and wasn’t allowing Julio to plant his feet to get those power shots off. And remember, Sergio is Great at countering a fighter’s attack. he catches you when you punch and that makes his power even more. That’s why he was knocking all those guys out. Countering.

So yes, let your hands go Julio so next time you won’t be prepared for that counter punch because you are to busy throwing your punch and looking to land it. BAM!! You’re out just like the rest that were out of position and unprepared to take that counter shot from Sergio who uses your momentum and mistakes in your offense as his own

Posted September 19, 2012 1:13 pm 


Joseph Herron

Right on the money, WTF…Chavez doesn’t have the self discipline of a Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather Jr. to dictate the terms of his own camp just yet…it’s highly unlikely that he’ll ever get to that point with his current attitude. I just really liked the idea of one elite level trainer sticking up for another in a day and age where many trainers get blamed for bad performances by fighters.

Posted September 19, 2012 1:13 pm 


WTF?

Basically Robert Garcia is calling Chavez Jr. a spoiled Primadonna that feels he doesn’t need to train like everyone else.. pretty much what we’ve been saying all along…

Posted September 19, 2012 1:07 pm 


Joseph Herron

Wow, Sergio…you’re completely discounting the opinion of a world class trainer? Someone who knows what kind of effort wins and loses fights? I guess the success Chavez Jr. had in the twelfth round didn’t happen in your version of the fight. I’m not saying that anyone knows what could have happened had Sergio been in full strength throughout the entire fight, but to discount the validity of Garcia’s opinion takes some brass.

Posted September 19, 2012 1:02 pm 


WTF?

Atleast Garcia, a Mexican is honest about who’s to blame for the Asswhooopin Chavez Jr. took from the smaller one handed…

Posted September 19, 2012 12:52 pm 


Sergio

The reason Junior lost is that he faced a far superior fighter. Sergio was able to execute his game plan almost flawlessly because he outmatched Chavez in almost every department. Speed, movement, timing, accuracy, confidence. Julio’s training or lack thereof was not a factor in this fight. I posted before that the reason HBO blatantly exposed Julio’s lack of discipline was to lay ground for “the excuse”. We are now seeing that unfolding. Attributing Chavez’s loss to lack of preparation is like saying that my VW cannot compete with a F1 because it’s not properly tuned up.

Posted September 19, 2012 12:51 pm 



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