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Swedish Boxing Fan

boxing barlow – Yes that is true that right after the fight there was a lot of people on the Internet that had Joe Calzaghe as the winner and the HBO commentators had there view as well BUT that was almost like an deception. There where so many things against Bernard Hopkins that night that did mostly not come from Joe calzaghe (accept the illegal low punches to the croch in 2nd and 10th round and the referee never gave him a warning for that). The compubox system read the fightn ALL WRONG as that system never counted all the inside punches Hopkins delivered on calzaghe and like I said before, 8/10 Hopkins got the best of those situations and Hopkins is a boxing master at inside fighting. Harold lederman’s score card where also not to trust that night as he gave some rounf to Hopkins while Calzaghe had been better that round and vice versa. Also that the crowd in the arena where mostly dominant Calzaghe fans from Great brittain and they cheered all the time even when Hopkinjs rocked Calzaghe. Hopkins had that night a weak fan support and all that did not help as I belive the judges where affected by all this. 115-112 was the final scores I got it with after very deep look into the fight over 5 times and in favour of Hopkins. And like I said, Associated Press, Yahoo Sports and ESPN had the fighj 114-113 for Hopkins.

Posted October 31, 2013 7:32 am 


TARK

A rematch with Hopkins made no sense for Calzaghe… A fight with Bad Chad Dawson made a lot of sense at that time.

Calzaghe wanted no part of Bad Chad.

A couple years earlier a Glen Johnson-Joe Calzaghe fight was hot because Johnson had just KO’d Roy Jones. Calzaghe signed for that fight, but postponed it 3 times and then killed it. He didn’t want any part of Glen Johnson at that time either — or Antonio Tarver.

Carl Froch was a very tough young fighter who continuously called on Calzaghe to man up and fight… “Grow a pair and fight me Calzaghe” Froch insisted.

Joe was a shrinking violet again.

Posted October 30, 2013 8:23 pm 


AssyrianDog

PEEJ always talks nonsense, don’t listen to him.

Posted October 30, 2013 3:23 pm 


boxing barlow

Hopkins respected Calzaghe to the max. You only have to watch how Hopkins fought to see that. Everyone was saying after the fight that Hopkins was too old to fight the full 12 rounds with Calzaghe and thats why he fought such a negative fight. But then in his next fight against Pavlik he came out and fought openly and powered through to a 12 round decision. Why did he not do this against Calzaghe? Because he’s a wiley old fox and he knew he did not have the speed, power, output, stamina to stay with Calzaghe. But what he knew was Calzaghe would come at him for 12 rounds. So the only chance he had was to nulify Clazgahe’s attack by holding, spoling trying to take him out of his game and catching him with the odd punch here and there and hoping to nick the rounds. Now if you are the kind of fan who scores for a fighter who fights this way over a fighter who actually comes to fight and then so be it.

Posted October 30, 2013 12:19 pm 


PEEJ

Calzaghe clearly won it is just that Hopkins put a hurting on him and Calzaghe wanted no part of a rematch.

Posted October 30, 2013 12:16 pm 


boxing barlow

Swedish Boxing Fan – There was an internet poll after the calzaghe fight and 90% of fans felt Calzaghe won. 2 out of the 3 judges on the night felt Calzaghe won. The commentating team felt Calzaghe won. Even as a Hopkins fan I cant make a solid argument for Hopkins winning that fight.

Posted October 30, 2013 12:11 pm 


Cheezb

@Happyboy – “Even now you would think that he got a real ass whipping the way most white dudes go on about that fight which ofcourse is far from the truth”

Well, he kind’ve did get an ass-whipping regardless of the scores. From memory, I think I actually had Hopkins up by a point or something, but the fact was, it was incredibly undeserved.

Hopkins was getting overrun late in that fight, hence him lying about the low blow to try to buy time. The ref shouldn’t have let him get away with that rubbish and forced him to get back into it… everyone knew there was no low blow (and replays confirmed it).
Hopkins was buying time for a reason… he was either hurt, fatigued, or both. Had he not gotten away with that clown act, who knows how it would’ve changed the remainder of the fight.

And people trying to say this kind of tactic is “ring smarts” or something like that are just turning a blind eye to blatant cheating.
It’s like if a soccer player got away with being offside on every pass, or a rugby player always passing forward, or maybe a catcher in baseball kicks the batsman’s leg each time the ball is incoming… you wouldn’t call that a skill, you’d call it cheating.

Posted October 30, 2013 10:53 am 


Happyboy

There was no way that Bernard was gonna win that match on the scorecards after what he said about the “whiteboy”. That statement sealed his fate. Even now you would think that he got a real ass whipping the way most white dudes go on about that fight which ofcourse is far from the truth. Nard lost the fight begore he stepped in the ring.

Posted October 30, 2013 8:00 am 


Adrian

How many times*

Posted October 30, 2013 12:33 am 


Adrian

Swedish boxing fan – I am sorry but record books says calzaghe won and you can’t change that no matter his nanny times you watch the fight , sorry :(

Posted October 30, 2013 12:33 am 


Oleg

Calzaghe beat Hopkins in a close fight. Good decision.

Posted October 29, 2013 4:47 pm 


Anonymous

popkins, the best hype job in the last 20 years

Posted October 29, 2013 4:09 pm 


Swedish Boxing Fan

Also Bernard Hopkins demanded a rematch against Joe Calzaghe – Calzaghe? No he went away and instead fought a shot version of Roy Jones jr (who somehow knocked down Calzaghe in 1st round as well, hmm) and won non-excited fight. After that? Well Joe Calzaghe decided to retire and with that ducked a rematch with Hopkins forever. Like I said before, Joe Calzaghe was a great fighter and a great super middleweight champ BUT he NEVER defeated Hopkins in that fight, he just did not defeat him and all knows that except fans who denies that facts from analysing the fight

Posted October 29, 2013 3:27 pm 


Swedish Boxing Fan

Ah some people wants’ to keep there hero Joe Calzaghe alive, even though he retired in 2008, 5 years ago while Bernard Hopkins have since that time regained the world light heavyweight title 2-times and brooked 3 major world records in boxing among others and that is just after. And again the Hopkins vs. Calzaghe fight, that fight was a HUGE robbery and you smelled that miles away. How could Calzaghe win that fight when his face was up beaten already after 4-5 rounds? How could he win when he was knocked down in 1st round with a single right hand punch? How could he win the fight when Calzaghe only landed more cleaner punches in just 4 rounds? How could he win when he was close to go down for count in 2nd , 4th & 7th rounds with legs turning to yellow? How could he win when Hopkins in the entire fight landed his good right hand punch to Calzaghe’s face on almost at will? How could he win when Joe’s own father and trainer in the corner don’t believe Calzaghe had not done enough to win the fight? How could he win when you see his face at the announcement that he truly NOT believe he have won the fight and have a up beaten face while Hopkins’s is clean and unharmed? – I ask you Joe Calzaghe fans to watch the fight again-and again and again because most true boxing experts analysis and trainers who have analysed the entire fight have said that they had Bernard Hopkins as the winner after the 12th round was over and most of them I have heard where never a Hopkins fan to begin with. Calzaghe slap punched most rounds and stole some rounds with that at the end of round, Calzaghe hit low punch to Hopkins both in the 2nd round and the 10th round with-out a warning even though we all saw that those where illegal punches in boxing. For every inside fight and close fight Hopkins 8/10 times got the best of the exchanges and either hit Calzaghe with better shots or a power punch. – The fight verdict have officially been stated by Associated Press, Yahoo Sports and ESPN all scored the fight 114-113 for Bernard Hopkins. Super middleweight world champion Carl Froch stated that he had Hopkins as the winner and felt Hopkins was robbed that night. “Iron” Mike Tyson commented that it was a great fight and that he felt Hopkins won the fight and Tyson rarely have commented bad on scorecards during his entire boxing career. I have analysed the entire fight over 5 times now, watched it 7 times at least and all I have to say is I scored the fight 115-112 for Hopkins and of those 5 analysis, I got the scores based on 4 of them and the first one had 114-112 for Hopkins. Joe Calzaghe was a great super middleweight world champion BUT he never defeated Bernard Hopkins.

Posted October 29, 2013 3:23 pm 


Old Yank

Hopkins is a master and the fact that he’s 48 years old allows him to get a pass from many fans. Tark is right; Hopkins also got a pass with a no-name being appointed as his mandatory. Granting a champ a no-name mandatory defense is what one leg of corruption in this business is about.

Fans and HBO balked at a no-name defense for Ward but seem to defend it for Hopkins. Where I come from we call that a double standard.

I marvel at Hopkins staying active at 48. I do not respect corrupt, bought-and-paid-for mandatory cream puffs.

But if Hopkins is a better master at something than boxing, it is matchmaking.

Posted October 29, 2013 1:12 pm 


Gus

Face it , Calghaze beat a Hokins who wanted to beat Calghaze so badly he was willing to pull every trick in his arsenal of dirty tricks. If you consider Hopkins an all time great you have to rate Calghaze a step higher. Calghazer was a master boxer.

Posted October 29, 2013 1:00 pm 


Webster

GBP might talk Cotto into fighting Canello, but they will never get Martinez to face Quillin ( or the winner of Quillin/Jacobs). The risk will alway outweight the reward for those two. They are undercard fighters, B side ifighters, nice guys who will never have a big following. So yes, I would be very surprised to see Martinez jump ship.

Posted October 29, 2013 8:04 am 


New Deal

Hopkins is great. He didn´t fought a bum. He fought a 18 years younger upcoming ex-European and inter-Continental Champion, who was willing to come to USA to end Hopkins career. It was great to see how Hopkins outclassed him. No sweat on his body, calm breathing showing very little effort. On the other side a younger man, his face distorted, gasping for breath and fear in his eyes. Like him or not… that is greatness.

Posted October 29, 2013 6:16 am 


TARK

The stoppage in Quillian-Rosado was good… The fact is, when you have so many middleweights who are better than Rosado, then Quillin should have been fighting one of them. Like Golovkin for instance.

Two very questionable judges had the same ridiculous scores they come up with in select fights.. If he house fighter always gets favored, then explain the CJ Ross score in Mayweather-Canelo.. She had an agenda — or she’s just a super horrible judge who happened to be assigned to super important fights for whatever reason.

Now if you assigned judges to important fights, would you choose CJ Ross for the most important fight in decades considering her history?

I’m guessing you wouldn’t.

Posted October 29, 2013 2:00 am 


Rhino718

I was there live Saturday & IMO GB wasnt even in the fight against PQ. One of the judges had it 10-0. Boxing is not that corrupt…

Posted October 29, 2013 12:41 am 


Adrian

Yep for Vivek calzaghe never existed lol … No one can look impressive against Hopkins because of the type of a fighter he is even johns when he won in the 90′ s wasn’t that impressive against him but when Hopkins losses to a fighter he always struggle with that one just like he did against Taylor and Dawson and would have lost the same way against calzaghe no matter when ..

And for Vivek rosado is very tough and chocolate kid is very good too and his scorecard were a narrow lead by the champ… Yet when he talks about ggg he says ggg faced no one good …
Patterns patterns patterns

Posted October 29, 2013 12:02 am 


Cheezb

The only excuse that would suffice for not having a Quillin-Rosado rematch would be if Quillin immediately gets called up for a legitimate unification fight… taking any other fight would be a duck.
Fact is that at times, winning on a cut isn’t really a decisive way to win. It’s not like Quillin was dominating Rosado or even necessarily winning at the time of the cut, and it’s not like Rosado was hurt (i.e. it’s different to landing a hail-mary, come-from-behind punch that sparks your opponent’s lights out). If you’re honest about it, Quillin was simply lucky.
I’m not saying that Quillin would have necessarily lost, or that the stoppage was premature… I’m saying that the fight could have gone either way, with Rosado possibly having a tad more momentum.

The fight needs a rematch. Just like if Lewis hadn’t retired, there should’ve been a Vitali-Lewis rematch. You’ll never know who is truly the better fighter otherwise.

And even more reason to rematch is that Golovkin already dominated this guy. If Quillin wants to be taken seriously in comparison to the other champions in the division, he needs to take a rematch and show that he just had an off night the first time.
Though having said that, being seen as the “weak link” ironically could better his chances of getting a unification (depending on if GBP are ready to cash him on or not).

Posted October 28, 2013 9:53 pm 


Anonymous

if it’s stiverne, hopefully he puts wilder into a coma. stiverne was willing to fight vitali for that belt. wilder waited it out, fought bums, and the second vitali retires, goes for the title. coward, fraud, clown, hype job. he is finished.

Posted October 28, 2013 9:23 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Wilder’s next move: Another punching bag. Ignore what Schaefer says and listen to Wilder on select occasions. He calls out Wlad and Fury when it’s time to get people talking. After this latest standup comedy act, he said he needs “to be patient.” That’s code for “more cherry picked bums please.”

Posted October 28, 2013 7:49 pm 


Anonymous

Boxing is fixed all right… That’s why Hopkins can call himself the LHW Champ without having to fight the best light heavyweights… He’s fights a bum and thumbs his nose at the fans.

Posted October 28, 2013 6:57 pm 


deepwater

boxing is fixed more so then in the past. its all one big club and you aint in it.

Posted October 28, 2013 5:50 pm 


Swedish Boxing Fan

Bernard “The Executioner” Hopkins (54-6-2, 32 KO’s) made it again, he broke another record and is now the oldes recognised world champion boxer in any weight class to make a defence of his world title at the age of 48!!! Hopkins or what people!!! Bernard Hopkins out-smarted and out-classed the 18 year younger former European super middleweight champion & 2-time light heavyweight Inter-Continental champion Kairo Murat (25-2-1, 15 KO’s). Murat was there to challange Hopkins and make the fight of his career BUT Bernard Hopkins’s legacy is far from over and I’m so glad that Hopkins won this fight as I wan’t him to go on to make a final BIG showdown fight. If it will be against Floyd Mayweather jr or against a rival light heavyweight champion like Adonis Stevenson (Ring & WBC), Sergey Kovalev (WBO) or Beibut Shumenov (WBA). 12 year younger Floyd Mayweather Jr is a natural smaller fighter who have never before fought above light middleweight class in his entire PRO career and with his 173cm of height and 183cm reach against Bernard Hopkins’s 185cm height and reach advantage could look thretning IF it wasen’t for the fact that Hopkins’s age of 48 is just of natural reasons impossible to make it all match well for him. Hopkins I’m sure could make it down back to Middleweight level again becouse if there is any fighter out there who can make it, is him BUT like I said it will be impossible to make it work great in the ring. If Hopkins could make it to drop the weight in about 7-8 months backto 160+ to match Floyd Mayweather Jr at same weight level it will ONLY suit Mayweather Jr as he is the one still in his prime and will have to do the least difficult task to adjust the weight level. Hopkins boxing style and skills would prove to be to much for Mayweather Jr BUT all that weight loss from Hopkins will prove to have taken to much on him as the weight loss was based on dropping mostly muscles and I’m BIG TIME afraid Hopkins will make the same misstake Roy Jones Jr, James Toney, Antonio Tarver, Chad Dawson etc did and they lost on it so much and that is NOT how I want it to end with the legend Bernard Hopkins with him beeing fatituded and slow against a greedy shallow Floyd Mayweather jr.

Posted October 28, 2013 4:59 pm 


choky

another incredibly biaised article

Posted October 28, 2013 4:41 pm 


PEEJ

Didn’t see any corruption in that stoppage. There was blood all around the eye when the ref stopped to have the doc take a look at it. That cut was bad. All credit goes to Rosado because he wanted to continue and yeah he should get a rematch because the fight was close regardless of what the judges had. I had Quillen up by a point and felt like he was gonna win a decision.

Posted October 28, 2013 4:20 pm 


46-0

The Hopkins v Calzaghe, Hopkins was cheating all throughout that fight, and still lost, he was on the verge of being stopped in the 10th as he couldn’t handle Calzaghes speed and work rate, so took the cowards way out by cheating.

Posted October 28, 2013 3:49 pm 


Tyrone Jones

A Golden Boy crony is one who will incessantly dismiss the racketeering of Murat or the scorecards against Rosado as “just the way it is” .

A Golden Boy crony will likewise insist that a doctor’s gift stoppage to keep a franchise in the money was in no way tied to this same corruption.

Posted October 28, 2013 3:39 pm 


TARK

This pundit says.., “Some found Hopkins’ choice to face the little known Murat as reason to be critical. I remind them all that not only was this a mandatory defense for Hopkins, but Murat’s little known stature alone is a major reason to marvel the victory.”

Marvel at the victory??? Even Nathan Cleverly knocked 2nd stringer Murat out. Hopkins even admitted he needed to knock Murat out. And he couldn’t do it… Kovalev or Stevenson would have knocked Murat out in 2 rounds.

Vivek doesn’t know how Boxing works. Murat was the mandatory because Hopkins wanted to fight him. It was much like the WBO making Oscar De La Hoya the ranking challenger for Felix Sturm. That happened only because Oscar’s team wanted to fight Sturm. They wanted to get a middleweight title prior to the Hopkins fight—to make it a unification fight. Orgs are very accommodative when promoters or other influential boxing insiders want them to rank somebody or make somebody a mandatory.

What SHOULD happen is a Golovkin-Martinez fight … a Golovkin-Qullin fight … a Kovalev-Stevenson fight … and a Kovalev-Hopkins fight.

Those are the most appropriate fights—and they’re not going to happen.

Posted October 28, 2013 3:14 pm 


Tyrone Jones

Although I believe Floyd can beat Hopkins, he has not fought great fighters in their prime as Hopkins has. Most any adult fan will be able to see that Floyd’s best wins were against old men

Posted October 28, 2013 3:08 pm 


PEEJ

Rosado did not get robbed. He got stopped because of a nasty cut on his eyelid that made it look like he had a 3rd eye.

Posted October 28, 2013 3:04 pm 


deepwater152

rosado got robbed. quillens wife is ugly and his mom a professional

Posted October 28, 2013 2:54 pm 


PEEJ

Calzaghe was not as long in the tooth as was Hopkins. And he did not have Hopkins number. Hard to say someone has your number when the fight was very close. Hopkins at a younger age would throw combos. He would not be throwing pot shots or 2 punches at a time. If Hopkins was in his prime he would of taken care of Calzaghe.

Posted October 28, 2013 2:53 pm 


Tomato Can

All these years, I’ve been thinking I’ve been logging onto a a boxing fan site. I’ve been wrong, this is a boxing (fighter) hating site.

Posted October 28, 2013 2:27 pm 


moonshineman

The reason you will not see Quillin Rosado II, is because Quillin isn’t stupid enough to get into the ring with Rosado again. I don’t like re-matches anyway.

Posted October 28, 2013 2:26 pm 


Rich

Deontay gonna be champ!

Posted October 28, 2013 1:40 pm 


Danny Dire

Wilder beat no-one any good yet!

Posted October 28, 2013 1:38 pm 


Demigawd

Why is it I can never read an article about or involving Hopkins without seeing a bunch of loons invading and going on about Calzaghe?

Congratulations for beating Hopkins, Joe! Now take a seat next to Clinton Mitchell.

Posted October 28, 2013 12:04 pm 


Haimat

I wonder if the small change Mayweather is throwing at Vivek is worth giving up all credibility. The dude is as big a nut hugger as you’ll ever see from a scribe/poster. The “questions from around the world” that Vivek “answers” in his lounge are and always have been so obviously made up by “Vito” himself. It’s laugable.

Posted October 28, 2013 11:58 am 


K-2 Fan

Wilder’s next step ? If he’s even thinking of Wlad , it will be a BIG one .

Posted October 28, 2013 11:51 am 


46-0

Calzaghe was no spring chicken also when he fought Hopkins in America, why would Hopkins be any better if he fought Calzaghe a few years before, Calzaghe had his number, always would of beaten him I think Calzaghe was denied the stoppage because of Hopkins cheating in round 10 as well.

Posted October 28, 2013 11:42 am 


PEEJ

Calzaghe gets credit for beating Hopkins. The problem is he waited till he was out of his prime to fight him. Not to mention Hopkins put some work in on Calzaghe and Calzaghe didn’t want to give a rematch when one can be warranted. But Calzaghe out worked Hopkins and won the fight. And he should get credit especially since Hopkins has had this much longevity.

Posted October 28, 2013 11:00 am 


Ken

Go to youtube and put in – Calzaghe & Hopkins Clash

This is where racist Hopkins tells Calzaghe I’ll never let a white boy beat me !

Posted October 28, 2013 10:20 am 


Ken

Hopkins is cememnting his legacy by fighting former lightweights and welterweights. Good Job Bernard !

Posted October 28, 2013 10:17 am 


focker

Nobody give credit to calzaghe when he beat Hopkins, they said he beat the old guy, five years later Hopkins still fighting and beating younger guys, the only mistake by Calzaghe, he is not american.

Posted October 28, 2013 10:10 am 


Anonymous

Hopkin’s is AWESOME! Fought a smaller guy with no punch who hasn’t fought in 15 months & never fought in the USA.

Posted October 28, 2013 9:59 am 


JJ

This fight of Mayweather and Hopkins shouldnt even be a topic. Another greedy payday for Hopkins

Posted October 28, 2013 9:50 am 


Jim Rich

Popkins is old and has stamina issues now that are obvious. I think Popkins just wants to make as much money as he can the next couple years and fight until he can defend the title when he is 50, then he will retire.

Posted October 28, 2013 9:37 am 


Jim Rich

If wilder gave this clown he knocked out as much respect as he did, I think he would basically just run from Wlad Klit and get jabbed to death. I think Wilder has been lure into this play it safe mentality. Even when wilder has an absolute joke of a fighter in front of him he is gun shy so how could he possibly ever attack Wlad, I don’t see it happening.

Posted October 28, 2013 9:35 am 


46-0

Calzaghe beat Hopkins easy, Hopkins had to resort to blatant cheating and he still lost, Calzaghe never lost a fight.

Posted October 28, 2013 9:32 am 


fightfan

Bhop is still doing it and breaking records and fighting mandatorys guys almost 20 years yunger. True legend.

Posted October 28, 2013 9:23 am 


demigawd

Tbone – what does Calzaghe have to do with anything in this article that would warrant Vivek needing to bring him up? I don’t see Jermain Taylor fans spamming these articles, and Taylor beat Hopkins TWICE!

Posted October 28, 2013 9:22 am 


tbone

cant you remember calzaghes dominance of the super middle weight for over a decade and then steps up a weight and beats your bro Bhop? no didnt think so… also retired undefeated.. maybe because he is white and welsh you forgot him ey?

Posted October 28, 2013 8:42 am 


big moe

Mayweather shouldbt fight thid cat because as vivek said, the haters would be in full riot gear. But if he doesnt hes scared. Hop knows floyds name alone gets results. Tell hop to fight ward.

Posted October 28, 2013 8:29 am 


matt

If Hopkins talking Stevenson, Kovalev and Andre Ward after Murat’s fight, maybe people will praise him, he is talking Floyd and that p*sses me off. Floyd even asked Canelo a 152 pounds catchweight, Floyd will only agree to this fight if Hopkins agree to dive for $20M, they are going to fix the fight to rob floydiots.

Posted October 28, 2013 8:19 am 


Brazilian Boxing Fan

Wilder should fight someone like Arreola next.

Posted October 28, 2013 7:21 am 


Mbuyiseli

Hopkins ducked RJones in the early 2000′s and fought him when he was done.

Posted October 28, 2013 7:20 am 


rod

wilder is the biggest joke in boxing. I have alot more respect for david price who took on a dangerous thompson and lost and then went straight back for another fight. Wilders next step is to fight some none existent heavy weight.

Posted October 28, 2013 7:19 am 


Supreme Court

You’ve got some nerve showing your face round here Vivek after getting exposed as a giant racist hypocritical prick the last time you made an appearance.

Posted October 28, 2013 7:00 am 



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