Vivek the fanboy
OF COURSE, vivek isnt going to mention GGG as a possible oppenent for mayweather. viv is a sad “writer”, who is a bias fanyboy. The only reason I even read this piece, was to see if he would even MENTION mayweather vs GGG……. but OF COURSE the fanboy didnt.Posted November 7, 2013 5:41 pm
Fight Aficionado… That is your opinion.
I know they are both ATG’s… There is not handful of boxers in their weight classes who ever could have beaten them.. Donaire didn’t have to own all the belts in the weight classes he was world champion in.. He can only fight the guys who will fight him or who it makes sense to fight … You can’t fight everyone because everyone won’t fight you.Posted November 6, 2013 11:51 pm
Chris John is not Mexican a-s-s hole. Neither Gradovich, Dib, Wlaters, Fotuna or Hasegawa you friggin moron. That’s my beef.Posted November 6, 2013 11:01 pm
Those are the best featherweights who happen to be Mexican. So what’s your beef?Posted November 6, 2013 9:39 pm
Santa Cruz, Mares, Gonzalez, and Salido –All Mexicans, Ho hum. Tumbo, Don’t you ever get tired of being a racist (aka member of Los Zenas).Posted November 6, 2013 6:55 pm
“Based on the fact that Rignodeaux beat ATG Nonito Donaire…who is a 4-Division World Champion boxer-puncher…” – Neither Rigo nor Donaire are ATG boxers. Donaire is closer but he did not own the 4 divisions where he got titles. Rigo is an ATG boxer in amateur history no doubt. But in the pros he’s just another belt holder at this point. A brilliantly skilled one, but not enough pro experience to warrant that discussion.Posted November 6, 2013 4:48 pm
If triple g goes down to 154 then Floyd should demand a cathcwieght at 150 so that Floyd have all the advantages. Remember one of Floyd’s talent is he knows to take advantages. You never call him a P4P no loss champion with out his great ability to cherry pick his opponents. At 150 triple g will look like a malnourished puncher with no power.Posted November 6, 2013 3:57 pm
Jonn E. JaGozza you said “no one gave Perez any chance at all”
margarito couldn’t tie duran’s bootlaces mainly because it is difficult when your hands are covered in plaster. duran was an icon, margarito was a bozoPosted November 6, 2013 1:00 pm
IF GGG is really a Hype up fighter it should be good news for Floyd doesn’t he wants another 40-80 Million payday with a record breaking PPV sells, besides it looked like 45 opponents of Floyd turned out to be Hype-up taxi drivers.Posted November 6, 2013 12:56 pm
funny how some people dont like legends,but love hype jobs.Posted November 6, 2013 11:32 am
Vivek you are the man! You analysis on GGG is about as spot on as you can get and your opinion on the subject pretty much matches my own. Who has the guy fought to suggest he is he is as special as some are making out? Froch and Ward beat him all day long in my book. Both are big at the weight super middles. Froch stands at 6’1 GGG at just 5’8. GGG was tagged by Stevens who is a small middleweight, so how would GGG stand up to walking into Froch’s rangy jab and heavy right hand as he tried to walk into range. And then once he’s in range how is GGG’s 5’8 natural middleweight power going to transfer up to super middle against a guy who has been in with every decent super middle since Calzaghe retired and has never been knocked out. The blue print for beating Froch has been laid out already. That blue print is to outbox him but the reality is Froch is at a decent enough standard that it will only be the likes of Ward or another fighter with similar fundamental skills who will do this. It will not be someone who’s main attributes are as Vivek states to cut down the ring and use their power to knock their opponent out. Don’t get me wrong I like GGG but the super middleweight division is all wrong for him in my opinion.Posted November 6, 2013 5:56 am
TARK, those guys aren’t eager to face anybody between 118lbs and 122lbs but they are all destined to meet between 126lbs and 130lbs. you’re also overstating Donaire’s stature. anyway we’ll see how well Rigondeaux stands up to the gauntlet of bigger, stronger, and fiercer competition that is waiting for him just one weight-class north. Btw, who are Robert Marroquin, Rico Ramos, and Ricardo Cordoba? guys who lost to Rigondeaux? how many of the other guys have they faced and defeated? otherwise, they sound like steppingstones NOT the cornerstones of an ATG ring-profile.Posted November 6, 2013 2:59 am
Tumbo.., Based on the fact that Rignodeaux beat ATG Nonito Donaire…who is a 4-Division World Champion boxer-puncher.. and based in the fact he did it with only 11 fights under his belt.. and based on the fact that Donaire didn’t want a rematch and is fleeing the division… and based on the fact that Rigondeaux already beat Robert Marroquin, Rico Ramos and Ricardo Cordoba… that makes Rigondeaux an ATG.
None of those guys you talked about want to fight him.Posted November 6, 2013 2:02 am
Fight Aficionado.., “Floyd ducked him of course during that time.”
The Master of Plaster never qualified to fight Floyd… Mosley beat the crap out of a plasterless Cheato and knocked him TFO — So if you recall it was Mosley who captured the Floyd fight, not Cheato.
TJ thinks Cheato took 6 rounds to warm up and beat Williams over the last half of the fight.. LMAO.. How about 8 rounds to warm up??? Cheato lost unanimously to Williams and by much worse than the bogus scorecards indicated.. He also lost to feather punching Dan Santos… got embarrassed by Pacquaio… and was battered and stopped by Miguel Cotto.
All without the benefit of plaster.Posted November 6, 2013 1:48 am
Title has three questions, I have three answers. 1) Yes, GGG is too good for any middleweight right now. 2) No, Rios is afraid of no one, and 3) Is Mike who a heavyweight threat?Posted November 6, 2013 1:43 am
Rigondeaux is not already an ATG. based on a single prominent win? C’mon?! what does that make Donaire in terms of a boxing barometer? greatest fighter that will ever live? otherwise, 33-years-old? only 12 pro bouts? let’s see how undefeated Rigondeaux remains with guys like Santa Cruz, Mares, Gonzalez, and Salido in his vicinity, but if “undefeated” is Rigondeaux’s priority, i guess Agbeko will do, but that’s no way to bolster any claim to “ATG” status.Posted November 6, 2013 12:44 am
Margarito had a formidable blanket-bombing offense that simply punished opponents into submission. he also had a solid chin and jaw, extraordinary stamina, and indomitable will. he once brought that into each and every bout to varying but always punishing degrees. he could be outboxed, he could be outfought, but he couldn’t be outlasted. that is an accurate recollection of a once-prime Margarito.Posted November 6, 2013 12:28 am
“It took YEARS but I’m GLAD to hear Fight Aficionado finally admit it. I TOLD you that Margarito was NEVER a challenge for Floyd. A guy who was always a three toed sloth with terrible footwork has NO SHOT. Canelo had MUCH BETTER footwork and he STILL had no shot.” – BoxDorkus don’t put words in my mouth. Margo’s terrible footwork doesn’t mean he presented no challenge to Floyd — at least the version that was smacking down Cotto and others. Floyd ducked him of course during that time. PS: Not posting to fast ESB GTFO.Posted November 5, 2013 9:33 pm
“FIGHT aficionado it took MARGARITO 6 rounds to warm up vs PUNISHER, but then he impressed me by out working Punisher over the second half of the fight. I thought Williams just edged that fight! where both men threw a whole heap of punches.” – TJ I’m not saying Margarito wasn’t a game fighter. He was as game as they come. Thing is that’s mainly what he had. Williams was always willing to trade even when he had the footwork and athletic ability to slip and counter. Close fight but stylistically Margo was not similar to GGG at all. I think that comparison is Vivek code for “just a limited puncher.” Which is obv BS.Posted November 5, 2013 9:29 pm
This pundit says…, “We’ve seen Pacquiao hit by much more powerful shots than the initial one he was knocked down with by Marquez.
It’s best not to judge the quality of a punch that knocks somebody down as lesser than other shots he took… He could be hurt by the punch.. not hurt by it.. A punch that doesn’t knock him down could hurt him a lot worse.. You could sustain a very powerful blow and not be hurt.. A light punch could hurt you if it hits you in the “sweet” spot.
We know that the KO shot was a cataclysmic punch that landed perfectly.Posted November 5, 2013 9:22 pm
You’ve seen Rigondeaux…, He’s an ATG already
Lomachenko and Rigondeaux were the best amateurs I’ve ever seen.Posted November 5, 2013 9:01 pm
plenty of great amateurs have tanked as pros, including Olympic gold medalists who are really the only amateurs that can be granted automatic credibility in the pro-ranks, i.e., it’s not wise to underestimate an Olympic medalist. otherwise, despite the hype and mystique, there has never been a single ATG pro-fighter produced by the Cuban boxing program. Casamayor comes closest but he’s hardly a Mayweather Jr. the primary questions that any great amateur has to answer as a pro is 1) can he sustain his effort beyond 5 pro-rounds? and 2) is he willing to endure and sacrifice to prevail in a brutal, grueling, give-and-take pro bout? EVERYthing else is moot until they demonstrate the affirmative answers to these questions. bottomline, i rarely see pure talent and ambition consistently prevail over superior grit and determination while i’ve seen the opposite happen several times.Posted November 5, 2013 8:42 pm
Floyd just needs to start facing the 20 lb rule since he’s already conquered everyone based on SKILLS. His only challenge NOW is to give UP the SKILLS advantage and face guys who have a 20+ lb weight advantage on Fight night. Let Golovkin go and get the Ring Belt at MW. Then Floyd should face him and allow him to weigh IN at 160…..at 154 Golovkin has not much of a shot because the main factor in that Fight will still be SKILLS not Weight. IF he weighs more than 20lbs heavier that Floyd on Fight night then MAYBE he can shift the main factor to Weight not SKILLS.Posted November 5, 2013 7:12 pm
Ggg should clean out 160 then fight ward. No if ands or buts .Posted November 5, 2013 7:10 pm
GGG has a minor shot but he’s UP against it vs. Floyd. Floyd’s defense is SO GREAT that he only gets hit with 2 Big shots MAX per Fight….and very FEW clean shots period. A guy with MW SPEED isn’t going to be able to catch Floyd with anything Big. The only thing even 154 lb Fighters have been able to catch Floyd with are jabs. IF you think that Golovkin is going to score more with jabs then Floyd scores all together then you’d better go take a REALITY class. Floyd is the BEST Boxer on the planet hands down….GGG can’t even out Box Ward who is a few notches BELOW Floyd even at #2. The closest guy to Floyd is Rigo and even HE is a couple notches SHORT.Posted November 5, 2013 6:32 pm
“but Margarito? He was always a three toed sloth with terrible footwork.”-LOL. It took YEARS but I’m GLAD to hear Fight Aficionado finally admit it. I TOLD you that Margarito was NEVER a challenge for Floyd. A guy who was always a three toed sloth with terrible footwork has NO SHOT. Canelo had MUCH BETTER footwork and he STILL had no shot.Posted November 5, 2013 6:21 pm
FIGHT aficionado it took MARGARITO 6 rounds to warm up vs PUNISHER, but then he impressed me by out working Punisher over the second half of the fight. I thought Williams just edged that fight! where both men threw a whole heap of punches.
“His best attributes is his ability to cut the ring off, his punch output, relative power, and stamina. At its best, that’s a Duran, Margarito, type template.” – LOL Vivek. GGG comparison to Duran is fine, but Margarito? He was always a three toed sloth with terrible footwork.Posted November 5, 2013 4:41 pm
Haimat.., “TARK, Froch, Kessler, Calzaghe are all very accomplished boxers.”
LMAO… You’re hyping the wrong people — Floyd, Ward, Rigondeaux, Golovkin, Kovalev, and Mikey Garcia are accomplished boxers. I don’t mean their ring records. I mean their mastery of fundamental boxing skills.
Froch, Kessler, and Calzaghe were all very hittable… especially Kessler.
Ward showed Froch and Kessler they couldn’t box green bananas in a super market… Calzaghe YOU don’t know about because he never faced a prime fighter who was a top notch boxer… I know from watching JC’s fights with Kessler, Mitchell and others, that Ward would have boxed his ass off without even trying.
Calzaghe ducked Froch for a reason… Although Ward proved that Carl can’t box oranges — Carl was probably a good enough boxer and puncher to beat Calzaghe. I would have put my money on Carl to score the upset but never had the chance because JC was afraid of him.Posted November 5, 2013 2:27 pm
Pup you, most definitely it will be an ugly fight. Ward is a winner and will do anything to win. He’s more knowledgeable of the mental warfare prior to fights. GGG might pack a bigger punch for his weight class but Ward got his number on basically every aspect of the game.
Don’t get me wrong. Both are p4p IMO but Ward is a bigger stronger man with even better skills. He’ll cut GGG and dominate. The difference between Ward and basically everybody GGG has fought is monumental.
Ward by ugly UD each and every time they fight.Posted November 5, 2013 12:59 pm
Zuks he wouldn’t even beat Froch sbali.Posted November 5, 2013 12:22 pm
Mick the Marmalizer
Give it 2 years & the H/W division’s gonna get interesting Joseph Parker, Anthony Joshua & Hughie Fury will be 100% in the equation!Posted November 5, 2013 12:18 pm
Mbuyi: This people are smoking weed from a Rasta’s stand mfowethu. This GGG fellow cannot beat Ward!Posted November 5, 2013 10:01 am
Vivek says ‘His best attributes is his ability to cut the ring off, his punch output, relative power, and stamina. At its best, that’s a Duran, Margarito, type template’. Margarito maybe but Duran no way. Duran could do absolutely everything and was a genius defensively and offensively as well as having power and natural stamina he could stand right in front of you and not get tagged cleanly. Vivek seems to think that skill is simply being an elusive sharpshooter like Floyd and he values only what is perceived as a slick style. I would controversially say that Fists of Stone was more totally skilled than Mayweather and you don’t outbox the likes of Leonard if you can’t box and give the arguably the greatest MW of all time in Hagler hell when really only a lightweight if you don’t have a complete game.Posted November 5, 2013 9:07 am
Haimat, all good but trust me if ward vs ggg happens you won’t see a “high output of punches ” by ward against ggg if he tries that he will get stooped but I see ward throwing a jab mostly hitting g’s gloves( they will score those jabs if they fight in wards hometown)and grab and clinch holding one hand in proces inside and hitting g behind his head in other words will become an ugly fight !Posted November 5, 2013 6:44 am
TARK, Froch, Kessler, Calzaghe are all very accomplished boxers. All are a level or two above a guy like “Superman Stevenson” who packs a punch and athletic ability but that’s it. His boxing ability is C-level at best.
Listen to what Ward has to say about these guys and learn first hand about what skills they have(or don’t have). Ward is very open in admitting that Kessler gravely underestimated him.
Ward would beat GGG 99 times out of 100. Styles make fights. Ward dominated eastern European fighters from the same school with similar style as GGG in the amateurs and he’ll do the same today. He’d make it an ugly fight. Push GGG backwards. High punch output. He’s bigger, stronger, more experienced and arguably with a better amateur record.
GGG got a puncher’s chance in that fight.Posted November 5, 2013 5:36 am
Vivek, what’s up with Amir Monsieur, the next great HW champion? :DPosted November 5, 2013 3:42 am
….”Ward cleaned out a very good division. KO’ed a LHW champ.”
You’re talking about cleaning out guys at 168 who can’t box… and stopping a LHW who drained down to 168 and is super weak chinned… as Superman Stevenson proved by KOing him with one shot.
Rodriguez is probably the best boxer Ward has faced. Ward is really good and should beat everybody in front of him, but GGG is special. That fight won’t happen for 2 years.. That’s a close fight because Ward is bigger and stronger. But if Ward ever fought Kovalev I believe he’d get beat for sure.Posted November 5, 2013 3:22 am
Vivek is just a guy who strokes 2 or 3 phrases around a fighter, offers little analysis and fixates on irrelevances.Posted November 5, 2013 3:18 am
GG VS Junior would be a very competitive fight ……..Though GG would break Junior down over 12 as much skill just displayed in a different manner …….GG is no Canelo who record was padded with lightweights handpicked to help create the illusion of something that wasnt ………….GG has the footwork skills and strength to be an absolute nightmare for Junior ……….Posted November 5, 2013 3:17 am
Vivek you never mention one huge aspect about GGG. His UNBELIEVABLE amateur record. And were talking about Rigondeaux type stats! The guy floored Bute and beat him and beat Dirrell before pro. You don’t beat Dirrell’s speed in the amateurs unless you can deal with pure speed. Now that doesn’t always translate into the pros of course but so far it has big time.Posted November 5, 2013 3:17 am
I don’t know why people keep entertaining the Ward vs GGG fight. Ward cleaned out a very good division. KO’ed a LHW champ. What has GGG done to make these morons believe that they belong in the same sentence, really? If Ward was too strong bullied/mauled both Kessler and Froch, I see him have less trouble humiliating GGG. Believe what you want, GGG is a very good fighter, Ward is a great fighter.Posted November 5, 2013 2:46 am
Triple gets his ass whooped by Floyd or Ward. Take your pickPosted November 5, 2013 2:37 am
The author praises Golovkin and then cuts him down as not having really any talent, can’t really beat anyone, or is that wishful thinking?! Golovkin would knock Void out. Brinkley predicted that Golovkin would beat Stevens and Ward. However, Ward refuses to take a drug test, refuses to fight anywhere except his home town with his personal referee, judges and boxing commission, etc. If Ward continues to refuse to take a drug test, then he really looks suspect. Those cutting Pac down all these years should get on SOB Ward’s case because it makes him look like a cheat. Ward will have (steroids?, his referee, judges, boxing commission, ad infinitum in his upcoming fight. Ward was the ONLY boxer who never had to travel in the fake 168 lb. tournament and I ask WHY? Nobody will answer that question……….
Golovkin would outbox Froch………………..Posted November 5, 2013 1:49 am
HA HA HA HA HA HA LMAO.. Vivek a great writer.. bobcats you must be Vivek because you use his logic… Knocking GGG by comparing him with guys who failed in the past.
Matthysse is a great puncher but has no jab.. Danny Garcia was too quick for him all night because he uses a measuring stick jab which is easy to read.
Canelo has a fair jab but is not a good attacker… He’s a counterpuncher and all he could do was wait on Floyd, who is too quick to counterpunch effectively.. Same reason Marquez failed against Floyd and Bradley.. and same reason Roy Jones failed against Antonio Tarver.
Golovkin has a great jab and is a good attacker… He does not have those liabilities… He has great skill as well, so don’t give me the crap that he’s slow and he can’t box.. That’s all BS.Posted November 5, 2013 1:38 am
Vivek is one the great writers in the game today, hands down. I agree with him on the opponents ggg has faces so far, nobody really, watch his fight with Ouma and you will see a man with too many flaws for top fighters. Mathysee one he stepped up was found wanting, same to Canelo and I think ggg will have his day coming soon. He is entertaining no doubt.Posted November 5, 2013 12:27 am
What to expect from Vivek , he tries in a diplomatic way to bash ggg , he is telling us that ggg is one dimensional fighter like margarito lol… Nice try Vivek :)
And what happen to his favorite hw Amir Monsieur ? Why don’t you mention him anymore Vivek ?Posted November 5, 2013 12:16 am
I think Froch could potentially beat Golovkin, but it’d be a close fight if he managed it. He’d have to take a similar approach to what he did against Abraham, but he’d be eating a lot of leather in the process. I think the main factors would be how much power Golovkin carries up with him to SMW, and if Golovkin is able to gobble up the shots at SMW like he’s done so far at MW.
I do believe Ward would likely beat Golovkin though. I think he’d play the punch and grab routine, and if the ref allows it, it’s pretty difficult to beat that (i.e. ask anyone who has fought Hopkins). If the ref doesn’t allow it (and let’s face it, the ref shouldn’t ever allow it), then Golovkin wins it.
One thing Golovkin will have to do in these fights is get that sort of “arrogance” he gets in the ring out of his system. I feel once he starts beating on someone, he gets into the mindset that he’s invincible and lets his guard down. He walked onto a Macklin hail-mary right hand because of it, and also got touched by Stevens a few times from it. In the Ouma fight he seemed not to worry about defence at all.
As for Quillin? Not a chance Quillin survives that fight! I’d be surprised if Quillin even makes it out of the first half! If he struggles to survive Rosado walking him down, imagine what Golovkin would do to him???
Martinez I think would fall fairly decisively to Golovkin and probably get stopped late. Dude is getting old. A lot of Martinez’ defence relies on creating room and tentativeness in his opponents with his counter shots… if a fighter doesn’t give him that room after the counter, he can come unstuck (e.g. Murray did a good job of that because of his nice high guard and forward movement). Golovkin would not let Martinez throw that counter-left without a lot of return fire.
Apparently Golovkin’s sparring session with Canelo a while back was a barn burner. Would like to see those two face off, but I can’t imagine Canelo coming out victorious (though I’d be surprised if Canelo didn’t last the distance).Posted November 4, 2013 11:26 pm
Largo.., Golovkin had about 350 amateur fights… Rigondeaux had 398 or so… Lomachenko about 360 or so… Kovalev about 210… Tszyu about 147.
The guys with over 300 fights, who won hundreds of fights in a row.. they did it for 15 years or more at a very high level.. There is nothing they haven’t seen.. There are no strategies or tactics they haven’t noodled out.. They fought boxers, punchers, grabbers, runners, swingers, bombers, brawlers, tall guys, short guys, strong guys, smart guys, dancers, prancers, clowns, warriors, pit bulls, tigers, billy goats, and maybe a couple ballerinas. Nothing really surprises them.
The professional game is an adjustment because the headgear is gone.. You may have to fight 12 rounds and that’s a big change.. But if you have a naturally fantastic chin, which Tszyu didn’t have — and you have natrually amazing endurance, which Tszyu also didn’t have, particularly — then you can make an amazingly fast transition to the pro ranks.
If you watch Lomachenko, Rigondeaux, Golovkin, and even Kovalev, there aren’t a lot of holes in their games… They have it covered.Posted November 4, 2013 10:23 pm
i will say it again and again. In the modern era of heavyweight giants the best way to beat a good tall man is to be a better tall man. These smaller guys can been 95% of guys out there. The can even beat average tall guys like Richard Towers but against guys who are very skilled particular at mastering their height/reach then will eat the jab all night long.Posted November 4, 2013 10:22 pm
The only big fights for GGG at this moment are probably the ones where he stands to lose. Martinez is not going to fight him when he can basically make double the money fighting Cotto. Canelo’s not going to fight him when he can hang around 154 and wait for the winner of Martinez vs Cotto. Sr. Will not allow him to fight Chavez Jr. when he just said the kid needs more seasoning? That leaves Froch and Ward, who are bigger, more seasoned, rock solid, and would have to be favored. Quillín is not really a big fight at this moment, but it’s probably the fight that makes most sense for both, as the winner places himself a lot closer to the other guys.Posted November 4, 2013 9:51 pm
The only big fights for GGG at this moment are probably the ones where he stands to lose. Martinez is not going to fight him when he can basically make double the money fighting Cotto. Canelo%Posted November 4, 2013 9:47 pm
Jonn E. JaGozza
I guess I will be one of only a few to say that I give Perez a lot of credit to the way he demolished the Russian giant. Don’t get me wrong it is sad what happened to the Russian but going into this fight he was undefeated and no one gave Perez any chance at all. Perez out-classed the Russian and beat him at his own game which is power punching. In a distorted, weird way, it was poetry in motion.. the ref, the ringside MD and the Russian’s corner men should all be banned from the sport because those idiots allowed the slaughter to continue. Perez did what he trained to do … to win … and to beat the guy at his own game . I hope the Russian continues to recover but as we all know at this stage of his career, he’s done as a fighter … PEACE … Boxingdictionary.comPosted November 4, 2013 9:39 pm
GGG is the best out there now. that is why there are no challengers.Posted November 4, 2013 9:32 pm
Punching a man in the face is a pure and beautiful thing.
Andre Ward makes it look ugly.
I will forgive many things but not this.Posted November 4, 2013 9:05 pm
Why am I so sure about my predictions? Nothing magic or mysterious about it, it’s quite simple really, Floyd & Ward are on a completely different level than these guys, that’s all.Posted November 4, 2013 8:58 pm
BTW, & talking about Ward, some people are suggesting that Edwin is a guy that’s gonna give’im all kinds of trouble because the guy hits hard & this & that, whatever…this is an early prediction: Ward wins by TOTAL DOMINATION; no doubts whatsoever.Posted November 4, 2013 8:52 pm
Boxstradamus needs to learn that when you use capitals you are SHOUTING.
You don`t want to shout at Chuck Norris my friend, that is a one way ticket to a pine box.Posted November 4, 2013 8:48 pm
Ward & Floyd would do to GGG what Rigo did to Nonito…anybody doubting that, copy & paste & save this post & come back to me, if & when those fights are made…know what I’m saying, lol.Posted November 4, 2013 8:45 pm
“I pointed out a few WEEKS avo that you have to put GGG on his back foot.”
LMAO! Maybe you can demonstrate that for us sometime, “Boxtradamus.”Posted November 4, 2013 8:42 pm
& so would Floyd BTW.Posted November 4, 2013 8:40 pm
Ward would TOTALLY nullify GGGs offense & WOULD BOX HIS EARS OFF…Posted November 4, 2013 8:40 pm
Regarding Quillen, he wouldn’t last 6 rounds with GGG…TOO STIFF.Posted November 4, 2013 8:38 pm
Vivek, GGG beats Canelo simply because Canelo doesn’t have the lungs for a knock-down-drag-out fight with such an active and heavy puncher guy…Golovkin TKO him, zero doubts.Posted November 4, 2013 8:36 pm
“what we have here is not a tremendously skilled fighter.”
This is about the lamest comment you have ever made Vivek.Posted November 4, 2013 8:34 pm
“That would be like a Goldfish trying to swim down a SHARK.” Boxtra, spot on; Kovalev is GGG in stereoids…bigger and a far more devastating puncher.Posted November 4, 2013 8:28 pm
“he remains parked in the space that Canelo occupied before defeating Trout: proven but untested.” Or like the equally perceived monster called Nonito before Rigo took’im to school…Posted November 4, 2013 8:23 pm
“GGG has always been the better fighter and I don’t see why that has changed.”-WHY it changed and YOU seeing WHY it changed is irrelevant. The FACT is that Kovalev is a more devastating Fighter than Golovkin IS. He’s a volume knockout puncher with MUCH Offensive and Defensive SKILLS. There’s NO WAY in the World that Golovkin can walk down Kovalev. That would be like a Goldfish trying to swim down a SHARK. He’ll get eaten ALIVE. Golovkin’s BEST asset which is his aggressive style combined with his Offensive SKILL set would be NULLIFIED. He’d have to Fight off his backfoot vs. Kovalev and he would be DOOMED….Now that doesn’t mean that he isn’t formidable. It just means that Kovalev is the BETTER PRO.Posted November 4, 2013 8:21 pm
GGG is the only man who could take one of my roundhouse kicks and keep fighting.
Obviously he couldn`t take 2 of them and livePosted November 4, 2013 8:18 pm
Haimat WHO cares IF Kovalev and GGG are buddies??? Ward and Dirrell are buddies but people STILL clamored for the Fight…..Kovalev isn’t showing TOO much respect to GGG in sparring its called NOT wanting to KILL my buddy….but sometimes you need to put friendships ASIDE for the GOOD of your family. Once Kovalev becomes the KING of LHW and GGG becomes the KING of MW then the Fight may become TOO lucrative to say NO to…..Unless you’re making MILLIONS regardless of WHO you Fight like Mayweather and Pacquiao DO.Posted November 4, 2013 8:11 pm
once again we have premature hype and ignorant enthusiasm because a formidable contender is mopping the floor with designated opponents. in fact, there never seems to be any doubt about the outcome of Golovkin’s bouts, which highlight the fact that he has yet to face a truly competitive or threatening opponent. he remains parked in the space that Canelo occupied before defeating Trout: proven but untested. moreover, he doesn’t have any truly threatening competition at 160lbs. particularly not the game but ringworn Martinez who has screws visibly popping off his frame in his most recent bouts. a truly deep field of competition awaits at 168lbs, but he should first test his own presumed elite status by challenging the stiffest 154lb-comp at 160lbs. that would reveal whether he’s truly ready for the bigger boys in Ward’s kingdom. i’m not convinced but eagerly look forward to Golovkin proving otherwise v. real competition.Posted November 4, 2013 8:07 pm
Who said GGG is like Margarito? You can write off any of that person’s comments since he knows nothing. The closest comparison to GGG is Kostya Tszyu in terms of style and skills. Margo was always a plodder with limited skills and no balance. That’s the opposite of GGG.Posted November 4, 2013 7:51 pm
Mike Perez looked good. Yes he can be hit but he wouldn’t have been hit if he decided to run and pot shot as most guys try to do against Mago. Fact he won a shoot out against the offensive heat of Mago says a lot about his guts, which every top heavyweight needs. I’m sad Mago got hurt and have been checking for updates several times a day since yesterday morning. Hope he’s OK.Posted November 4, 2013 7:46 pm
“Golovkin has over 350 amateur fights with only 5 losses. He’s a massively skilled boxer-puncher.
How many fighters are master-boxers, have lights out punching power, are good defenders, can throw 100 punches a round, have a world-class jab, and can walk down and beat up a brutally strong, powerful bomber, such as Crutis Stevens, like he was a light hitter???
There are only two in the world I can think of… GGG is one of them.” This.Posted November 4, 2013 7:40 pm
The pundit writes of Stevens.., “When he played the role of the aggressor and kept Golovkin on his back foot. That was one role that Golovkin didn’t seem to have any true answer for. Forward aggression and a fast jab to setup other work never failed for Stevens.”
I suppose that’s why Stevens threw fewer than half as many punches as Golovkin. Stevens landed very few hard punches. About 6 or 7 of them of about 77 landed. GGG kept Stevens from landing solidly by outboxing him, countering him sharply, making rapid adjustments, and employing a sophisticated defense.
Aggression seldom works against great punchers. Lamont Peterson tried it against Lucas Matthysse. Joe Frazier tried it against George Foreman.Posted November 4, 2013 7:33 pm
First, best wishes to Mago. Vivek: “What was it about that particular night, or that particular fight, that softened him up enough to be susceptible to a knockdown?”
This pundit writes about Golovkin.., “What we have here is not a tremendously skilled fighter. His best attributes is his ability to cut the ring off, his punch output, relative power, and stamina. At its best, that’s a Duran, Margarito, type template.”
That’s a stupid comment… Duran was a great boxer-puncher and an ATG fighter—but Margarito was a cheater. After his plaster casts were taken away he was a punching bag against upper echelon opponents … The only thing Duran and Cheato have in common is they’re both Latinos. You’re obviously using the crude Margarito’s name to demean Golovkin’s skill level.
Golovkin has over 350 amateur fights with only 5 losses. He’s a massively skilled boxer-puncher.
How many fighters are master-boxers, have lights out punching power, are good defenders, can throw 100 punches a round, have a world-class jab, and can walk down and beat up a brutally strong, powerful bomber, such as Crutis Stevens, like he was a light hitter???
There are only two in the world I can think of… GGG is one of them.Posted November 4, 2013 7:10 pm
The Great American Joke
Both Perez and Mago elevated their status in the minds of many in their fight.Both guys have good skills,Perez obviously more so,and both guys have incredible chins and heart.Both guys are a threat to any heavyweight.One punch is all it takes.That fight had me thinking I was back in the 90′s,great all out action fight.Posted November 4, 2013 6:58 pm
Martinez is overrated. You stick the same Martinez that KOd Williams in with GGG it just last a little longer before he gets stoppedPosted November 4, 2013 6:58 pm
the only reason why ggg is above sergio at the moment is simply because he is the busy fighter and sergio is off injured.. you stick sergio in with ggg coming off that williams ko and its a whole different story.. lets hope he gets himself fit and healthy and rids himself of some ring rust and makes the ggg v sergio a ppv mega fight! :-)Posted November 4, 2013 6:38 pm
GGG, is a far cry from Margarito. He’s highly schooled boxer, he doesn’t take a lot of punishment, he’s very accurate and his power can put his opponent down, at any point of the fight. He’s not the fastest, but he’s the whole package.Posted November 4, 2013 6:34 pm
Who is Vivek? I am reading the second article, where there are some good points but that’s it.
Per Vivek, GGG is good mostly due to he “cuts the ring off in wild angels”… It is understatement. This attribute is to finish the fight faster or track someone down, when you have a huge advantage. How about an ability of GGG to throw punches at different angels, work the body, run combinations? How about to take a punch? Stevens landed many great power punches without any, at least, visual effect. How about GGG’s ability to completely destroy his opponents? Stevens looked as he is so small and helpless, however the guys is an extreme pumped up machine at his weigh.
I agree, though, that GGG did not meet with any serious housekeepers of boxing. Sergio Martinez fight could be the best entertainment of any era… GGG runs after Sergio with his crazy attacks and gets Sergio’s counters output… Both are athletic and like to fight…Posted November 4, 2013 5:36 pm
Vivek is a terrible boxing scribe. It’s laughable. There are few similarities between Margarito and GGG. Margarito was tough as nails and took huge amounts of punishment. GGG is one of the more skilled and diciplined fighters in boxing today. He gets nailed every once in a while but he’s always pretty at the end of the fight despite having white skin that bruise easily. His opponents have a tendency to look like they got run over by a bus, twice.
Duran is an ATG with great skills. The best LW of all time according to Vivek’s nuthugging victim Roger Mayweather. Duran’s skills should NOT be confused with Margarito’s (or the lack thereof) GGG uses more footwork and less upper body movement. He’s always got his finger on the trigger to let loose a big punch or three.
Another pathetic piece by Vivek.Posted November 4, 2013 5:19 pm
when mago wouldnt take the stool at the end of the 1st i thought something was not right …… no idea it was that severe ………Posted November 4, 2013 5:13 pm
Boxtradamus is at it again. Listen, Kovalev and GGG and friends and sparring partners. It’s widely known that Kovalev has great respect for GGG and Abel Sanchez won’t let them spar since Kovalev shows too much respect in sparring. They both boxed at MW in the amateurs with GGG being the A-level fighter and Kovalev B-level.
They are both products of the same school of boxing and have similarities. GGG has always been the better fighter and I don’t see why that has changed.Posted November 4, 2013 5:09 pm
Bang on assessment of GGG, he reminds me a lot of a young Margarito. A very dangerous guy no doubt but Ward, Froch and a fit and healthy Martinez would do the job against him I think, especially Ward.Posted November 4, 2013 5:00 pm
GGG vs Sergio and Sergio will win period. Sergio is gettin old and B-Hop is older. Sergio is the real Champion period.Posted November 4, 2013 4:51 pm
I pointed out a few WEEKS avo that you have to put GGG on his back foot. Ward can put him on his back foot and SO would Kovalev. Kovalev would PUMMEL GGG….I think GGG beats Martinez and I KNOW he beats Quillin. You also need some defense IF you want to beat GGG and Martinez’s hands down Defense won’t DO the trick. Neither will Quillin’s POROUS defense. SO GGG had better stick to 160 and stay away from the BEST at 168 and 175….OH and he won’t beat Floyd either. Floyd is TOO FAST for him. The FASTEST MW in the World is still TOO SLOW for Floyd. Canelo agrees with ME on that.Posted November 4, 2013 4:50 pm
Wilder had bets avoid Perez.Posted November 4, 2013 4:43 pm
Vivek you give good unbiased reads, but please, please no more using DURAN and Margarito in the same sentence! No Mas! Same template? C’rmon man, they weren’t same anything as fighters. Both had great chins only thing they had in common. Roberto had great footwork he’d pounce on his opponents, Margarito did that slow trot.
Mostly agree about GGG, hasn’t fought an elite yet, but kinda hard when not many of them are interested atm! Those were still world class opponents in their prime he was romping. He clearly shows a high level
How much is Rios making for the Pacquiao fight?.Posted November 4, 2013 4:11 pm
Maybe it’s just me, but do you think there is any chance that Rios is fighting for the money?.Posted November 4, 2013 3:51 pm