great point patrickPosted November 8, 2013 1:23 am
Hopefully those who criticize fighters for quitting or taking a knee to stop the punishment will learn a lesson from this fight. The lesson being there’s no shame in stopping a fight when a fighter is badly hurt or is no longer competitive in the bout. Not saying this applies so much to this fight, but the point being fighters are human, they are not machines. They leave a part of themselves in the ring after every fight and many of the injuries they suffer don’t simply vanish — the effects can last for years or for the rest of their lives.Posted November 6, 2013 10:03 pm
Im sending money today. On a side note, I just watched a recent interview with Paul Williams, and that guy is a true hero! Its incredible what a great attitude he has, and I too believe that he will walk again. Its also good to know, that PW managed to bank 3 million from his boxing career.Posted November 6, 2013 12:57 pm
he suffered a “bad stroke” according to the most recent reports. He is in rough shape, but there have been fighters in similar positions before that did recover well. I pray that this will be one of those cases.Posted November 6, 2013 8:11 am
Abdusalamov was also cut badly.Posted November 6, 2013 4:10 am
@ Jim Rich: I couldn’t agree more! With all due respect to trainer and former boxing great John David Jackson, he should have thrown in the towel and stopped the after the 6th or 7th round, if not before. Abdusalamov’s nose was broken, one of his hands was broken, and the left side of his face was a swollen mess (there may have been a broken bone there too). Abdusalamov mentioned these things in the corner and the fight should’ve been stopped, enda story.Posted November 6, 2013 4:10 am
True. All those sports have injuries that result in athletes getting maimed or even death. Athletes in contact sports know the risks when they choose their sport. Still it doesn’t reduce the sense of tragedy. I just hope Mago has a full recovery. Don’t like the different reports on his status and am not seeing enough daily updates. Fight reporters should be all over this story. Slackers.Posted November 5, 2013 9:02 pm
Always a difficult call for corners to make. If a fighter is not showing very strong distress signals; such as confusion, appearing badly dazed,phased out, or are simply being badly hammered, then it is very hard for them to guess that something is badly wrong. Perhaps a Neurological Consultant would have picked something up, but cornermen, trainers, coaches and promoters are never Neurological Experts, nor usually highly medically trained.
Also, fighters and their teams are often in a no win situation; pull a fighter out or he pulls out himself, then the stupid accusations of ”coward”, ”yellow”, ”quitter”, ”no heart” start flying around. But keep going in a fight you are badly losing or taking too any big shots, then you risk ending up like Mago or McClellan.
Many sports carry the risk of great physical harm; Motor Sports, Horse Racing/Equestrianism, Rugby, Cliff Diving, American Football, Skiing etc are all very risky, some more then Boxing, and at least the competitors in all of them are aware of those risks before they set out.Posted November 5, 2013 8:43 pm
Now The Daily Mail in the UK reports Mago is in critical condition, citing doctors at the hospital. So we’ve got them and NYDN reporting critical condition, BScene, ESPN and Yahoo reporting stable condition. This should not be complicated. But I’m skeptical of these docile boxing reporters accepting the word of the promoter, since they’re used to getting spoon fed propaganda and rarely do actual investigative reporting. Bottom line: Which is it? News reporters are supposed to go by the hospital’s official status.Posted November 5, 2013 5:00 pm
Most boxing beat reporters say Mago is in stable condition but their info comes from his promoter. NYDN cites a hospital official. Who do we believe, the promoter who may be in damage control mode or the hospital’s official status on a patient? NYDN: “While he was reported to be in stable condition on Sunday, his status apparently changed to “critical” Monday and he remains in the intensive care unit, Liz Dowling, assistant director for public affairs at Roosevelt Hospital told the Daily News. Citing federal privacy laws, Dowling declined to provide any more information on his condition. But Nathan Lewkowicz, who promotes Abdusalamov differed slightly with Dowling’s assessment, saying his condition was now “stable.”Posted November 5, 2013 4:48 pm
Hindsight is 20/20 I suppose. I definitely don’t blame any one person for this happening, as I’m sure there are some that feel somewhat responsible as it is. Ultimately, this isn’t the fist time and wont be the last. it is a (sad) part of boxing, but it is a reality. Giving another man a concussion, and causing brain injury is rewarded in this sport. We see a knockout as a good thing, and disregard the anatomy of what is actually physically happening inside the knocked out fighters head. We love a good “war” and we a punishing fight. These things aren’t without a price. The only thing that should give us comfort is that Mago, and every other fighter who steps in the ring, knows the risks and still chooses to be a fighter. Fighters out there this could happen to any one of you. Dont be afraid to be called a “quitter” by an ignorant few. ODLH-Pacquiao came to mind. Oscar may have saved his own life, and in turn he was called a quitter by some. Alvarado also. This sport is not perfect, the fans and official aren’t perfect, the fighters arent perfect. But they are the most honest people in the sport. So, when they express concern- we have to listen and trust their judgement.Posted November 5, 2013 4:40 pm
Mago is a warrior cut from the same cloth as the old Roman gladiators straight up. He surely felt something was wrong or else he wouldn’t have been asking about his face. He continued gunning till the end like a pit bull. I’ve been thinking about him since Saturday and looking for updates. Media hasn’t had much, they’re slow as usual. The NY Daily News reported yesterday Mago’s status was changed from stable to critical. That’s a concern. If anyone has new updates please share.Posted November 5, 2013 4:32 pm
good point on vitally.Posted November 5, 2013 4:17 pm
His cornor should have stopped the fight, he obviously was damaged goods after half the fight. And those who said vitali quit against byrd was a mistake, its a mistake that may have saved his arm and boxing career. Mago is done with boxing, so hopefull he heals up and can function normally.Posted November 5, 2013 3:42 pm
Mago’s and Stevens’ losing efforts on Satuday night were the bravest losing efforts I’ve seen since Frazier-Ali and Norton-Ali 1. Best of luck to Mago.Posted November 5, 2013 3:39 pm
What a stone face ,he didnt looked like a man with those kind of injuries. He just kept on fighting. true warrior ,all my hopes goes out to him and his close onesPosted November 5, 2013 2:22 pm
get well mago. Is this a workman comp claim for mago to be treated.?Posted November 5, 2013 1:39 pm
the voice of reason
eric – i agree to some extent that mago wasnt outwardly showing distress in his corner but the signs were there during the fight from the middle rounds onward. He was getting a terrible battering and it looked to me like the distress was very plain to see in those later rounds. The man wouldnt have complained during breaks cos his fighting pride wouldnt let him – but the corner should have been watching closer. Remember when frazier was pulled out in the 14th against ali? his trainer was cute enough to see the damage and stopped the fight, regardless of what frazier himself had to say about it – thats what these guys are supposedly trained to do – and thats why magos corner let him down and as a result the mans life is now on the line. I could see where it was going plain as day and im watching from the armchair! why couldnt they?Posted November 5, 2013 1:27 pm
HBO and K2 SHOULD pay for ALL his bills plus some, as I heard that he made a measly 40 grand for the fight! This guy fought his ass off and did not QUIT, as many others have!Posted November 5, 2013 1:25 pm
Mango was hurt worse than some in a car accident, but in his coner during the break he didnt show any facial expressions like wincing, he just looked around unconcerend and came back out each round fighting.
He asked questions to his coner, like is my nose broke and made statments that his face or hand hurt but didnt act overly concered, somebody could have shot him in the leg during a round and mago would have come back to his corner unfazed and said I think my leg hurts a little then went back out and throw a 3 or 4 punch combo.
That made it difficult for everbody to really no what was going on internaly, but we all seen what was happen n in the late rounds so it was the officals and his corners fault.
But then again mago was 18/18 and when you thought he was out he would do something a little special and make it appear he was still in it or maybe he still had a chance, undefeated fighters dont like to give up, ive seen some crazy come backs in boxing and ufc, but were do you draw the line when you take everything into consideration, maybe the issue needs to be put under the microscope.
I do have to agree that by round 9 the fight should have been stoped possibly sooner, maybe this could have been avoided but then theres the question, was mago already hurt early in the fight ? Round 6 is when things really started looking bad and they should have gave him another round to turn things around and if he didnt then throw in the towel I guess.
Footballs players get brain injurys and broken backs even race car drivers die in car accidents, sports can be very dangerous and changing any sport to much takes away from what attracted fans to the sport in the first place, I would like to see tv net works greedy promoters and extreamly rich fighters like the floyd mayweathers of the world start a program for fighters that get injured.Posted November 5, 2013 1:15 pm
flash knock down
I AM THE BIGGEST FAN OF MAGOMED ABDUSALAMOV I HAVE BEEN A FAN OF HIS EVER SINCE HE BEAT ONE OF MY FIGHTERS FOUR YEARS AGO Larry WHITE. I SAID THEN THAT HE WOULD BE A WORLD CHAMPION ONE DAY. WELL I CHANGED MY MIND ABOUT HIM BECOMING A CHAMPION AFTER SEEING HIM IN HIS LAST FIGHT BEFORE THIS one he JUST DID NOT LOOK GOOD AT ALL AFTER WINNING. iN THIS FIGHT I NOTICED A COUPLE OF THINGS ONE DAVID JACKSON ONE OF HIS TRAINERS WAS NOT HIS CHEF CORNER MAN IN THIS FIGHT WHICH I FOUND TO BE VERY ODD. Jackson was in his corner when we fought him. The other thing I noticed was Magomed was backing up an FALLING OVER HIM SELF IN THIS FIGHT . yES HE FOUGHT LIKE A REAL CHAMPION HE SHOWED THE REAL HEART OF A WARRIOR . Perez is a class act and one hell of a fighter. I am praying that Magomed gets well soon .Posted November 5, 2013 11:39 am
the voice of reason
canuck – the corner shouldnt need a doctor to tell them that their man was seriously injured. He was fighting on heart alone from the middle rounds and it was clear to me how distressed he was. These people are supposed to be professionals yet they let their fighter continue in such a state? they all should be ashamed of themselves – and to make it worse, wasnt that magos father in the corner too??!! whats the matter with these people? im watching on TV and i can see clearly that this man is heading for disaster – it looked like another benn-mclellan fight to me – lets hope the outcome is different this time but if it is, itll be down to luck and not down to ‘professional’ cornermenPosted November 5, 2013 10:46 am
Jonn E. JaGozza
This is an evil sport one which can cause mush injury and even death. But again, as I said in an early posting, the Russian fighter was undefeated and had a string of first round KO’s but then he went against a guy that no one gave any chance of ,not only winning, but also surviving and he the ( under dog ) defeated him quite easily. I am sad for the Russian and his family and close friends and again, No one wants any one hurt or, GOD FORBID getting killed in the ring but we’ve got to remember , it is the sport they’re in… GET WELL Magomed, and May GOD speed your recovery …… PEACE ….Posted November 5, 2013 10:19 am
After reading the article about people who call some fighters cowards…this goes to show how no coward would take up the sport of boxing…get well soon Magomed!!!Posted November 5, 2013 10:09 am
I think two doctors did check out Mago during the fight and gave the OK for him to continue.I guess if they didn’t see the danger then we can hardly blame the corner.This is a brutal sport and these things will happen from time to time. Mago fought like a true warrior and I wish him a speedy recovery.Posted November 5, 2013 9:44 am
get well soon!Posted November 5, 2013 8:52 am
I did find it strange that the ref did not have the doctor look at him closely. At least not that I saw. His mouth was hanging open, much like the G-Mans was in his fight with Benn. Mago himself was very concerned and maybe if he could have been saved from taking more punishment. Even Jones was concerned and the rest of the commentators.Posted November 5, 2013 8:50 am
I enjoyed the fight but was a little concerned hearing Abdusalamov asking his corner about his face. I never expected it to end with him in such a state of distress.
Once again it takes guts to lace up the gear and walk to the ring. This man went out and out it all on the line and I pray he recovers fully.
Nice sentiments from Mike Perez, classy inside and outside the ring.
blood clot on the brain. medically induced coma.
reminds me of what retired joe messiPosted November 5, 2013 8:02 am
This is why boxing needs to implement some of the various Rapid Sideline Screening Tests, which are brain trauma diagnostic exams that are proven fast enough to be reliably administered in under five minutes.Posted November 5, 2013 7:56 am
Vlad the Impaler
Wow! What injuries did he suffer?Posted November 5, 2013 7:24 am
Farmboxer – I didn’t realise Mago was that bad.With hindsight his corner should have stopped the fight,but watching that fight,although obvious that Mago had some serious damage to his face,he didn’t show any signs of distress and was still in that fight,until the end,catching Perez with good shots.Mago is one tough warrior,as is Perez.That fight was fought at a hard pace too,which must dehydrate the fighters even more.Prayers out to Mago for a full recovery.Posted November 5, 2013 6:55 am
Please,Klitschko fans,don’t hijack this article which is to wish Mago a speedy recovery and congratulate both fighters for what I can only describe as a heavyweight throwback fight,i mean,i almost felt I was back in the 90′s….it was a terrific fight,no clinching,running,dirty tactics,just a great fight with both guys laying it on the line.get well soon Mago,and hats off to Perez for being a class act.Posted November 5, 2013 6:47 am
I hope he gets better soonPosted November 5, 2013 6:21 am
First of all my sincere condolences for the current condition of Mago and I wish him a speedy and full recovery. Great fighter and great warrior. Another point I want to make and I hope this isn’t too tasteless based on what transpired over the weekend but the bout between Mago and Perez was a great action packed fight. The fans loved it. The two combatants really put on a spectacle. In fact this is generally to be expected when the up and comers and contenders face off against each other. Nearly all are applauding and congratulating the two warriors from Saturday gone. Now this is my point. If either Mago or Perez was in the ring with a Klitschko that night then most likely either of them would have been rendered near impotent as most K2 opponents are. Then the SAME people who are currently applauding these two brave and fearless warriors would also be the SAME who would be pissing on a K2 win with statements like “Perez was just another bum” “heavyweight division sucks” “no talent today”. We’ve heard it all before. Anything to disparage a Klitschko victory. When are people gonna give the brothers the respect they DESERVE? No champion, and I repeat this, NO CHAMPION in the history of the sport, has ever been as dominant with consecutive one sided victories one after the other as the brothers have been. Appreciate them while they’re here. And once more, Mago, all the best in your recovery.Posted November 5, 2013 6:11 am
Hope the big fella gets well, wishing him a speedy recoveryPosted November 5, 2013 6:08 am
We’ll be praying for Magomed!!Posted November 5, 2013 3:48 am
prayers to Magomed.Posted November 5, 2013 3:35 am
FARMBOXER: Agree totally!! Mago lost the fight but won the respect of lots of fans. He’s one fearless warrior and true champion heart. My prayers for him and his family.Posted November 5, 2013 2:03 am
My prayers and thoughts for Magomed Abdusalamov. A brave man that fought a tough fight with courage and honor. He never once stopped trying. I know he will win this battle of life.Posted November 5, 2013 2:02 am
Mago has my respect for being such a brave warrior. He never stopped fighting even though he had a broken wrist, broken cheek bone, broken nose, blood on his brain, edema of the brain, so bad that they had to take a part of his skull out to help stop the swelling of his brain. However, I sure wish his corner had stopped that fight like Stevens’ corner/ref did, perhaps Stevens’ corner saved his like. I still remember Gerald McClellen.
I have to say good luck to Mago, wish he gets well. I hope the boxing media keeps the fans informed of his well being……………I guess it’s better to stop a fight too soon than too late…………..not many fighters would have kept fighting with such life threatening injuries………..Posted November 5, 2013 1:21 am
I’m wishing the best for Magomed. This is the worst part of boxing by far… Both fighters were landing heavy punches and giving it their all for the fans.Posted November 5, 2013 12:09 am
Now these are great warriors a step abovePosted November 5, 2013 12:00 am
Hope u get better man god bless u an your familyPosted November 4, 2013 11:32 pm
God bless you Mago, get well soon!Posted November 4, 2013 10:47 pm
Poor mago. One tough guy, sad this happened. Perez a brawler who can punch vs mago a pure slugger. Both men dont have the best defense and it goes 12 rounds. Dangerous. Hope he is ok.Posted November 4, 2013 10:26 pm
Yes indeed!! Prayers to MagoPosted November 4, 2013 10:18 pm