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Anonymous

the night modern boxing was born.

Posted November 12, 2013 11:43 am 


Thin Wilkenson

You’re a Slim Jim that was fed to a plough horse and farted into the next county.

Posted November 12, 2013 1:03 am 


Slim Whitman

myles is a cartoon character,BUGS BUNNY

Posted November 11, 2013 4:56 pm 


TARK

Old Yank says.., “I don’t know what you are talking about with Ward and Toney and all that. It’s not that I disagree with what you said; I just don’t get what you are saying.”

Chad Dawson was in a similar situation as Donny LaLonde when he fought Ward… He was a LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION… He weighed 168 for the fight as did Ward.. Dawson LOST.. He DID NOT LOSE HIS LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE to Ward…

Neither did Iran Barkley lose the LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE when he was knocked out by James Toney when they fought at 168.

Toney and Ward have just as much right to call themselves light heavyweight champions as Sugar Ray Leonard does because the beat the light heavyweight champion when both combatants were under the 175-pound weight LIMIT.. Just because you can bribe somebody with millions of dollars to come down 7 pounds and fight for 2 World Titles in one fight…because he’ll be weight drained and you can pick up 2 world titles on one night — doesn’t man it should be allowed… It never was before.

Comprende???

Posted November 10, 2013 11:38 pm 


Old Yank

TARK —

I am no fan of futzing with weight limits for championship belts period. But I don’t know what you are talking about with Ward and Toney and all that. It’s not that I disagree with what you said; I just don’t get what you are saying.

A fighter can agree to ANY weight below the limit for his belt. We don’t like it, but he can. But the Leonard/Lelonde bout is unique; you are aware of its uniqueness and point out. It is difficult if not impossible to find any other example in history where championships for two weight classes were contested in the same bout.

The Leonard/Lelonde bout was unique and was NOT a catch-weight bout because ONE of the bests being contested was at 168 pounds and no weight OVER 168 can be sanctioned for a 168 pound belt. Fighters who do not make weight for a championship bout lose the belt on the scale and ONLY the challenger (if he makes the limit) can earn the belt.

It is not a catchweight bout because we cannot separate the two contests and say one was legit and the other a catchweight because the bouts were inseparable at the time – BOTH had to be legitimate at the same time. There is nothing illigit about defending or contesting a 175 pound belt at less than 175 pounds; however, it would be illigit to contest a 168 pound belt over the limit of 168 pounds. Therefore Lelonde simply and plainly attempted to be a two division champion in one contest — one belt at the inaugural 168 pound level and the other defending his 175 pound belt. Obviously if separated, fighting for a 175 pound title at a contracted 168 pound limit would indeed be a catch-weight bout. But the uniqueness of this arrangement was that the two titles were not contested in different bouts and could not be sep[erated due to the uniqueness and therefore the lower limit of 168 for the super middleweight belt was the limit that had to be made in order to contest two belts in one bout.

Had Lelonde failed to make 168 (but did make 175), then (had the bout happened) he would have been defending his 175 pound belt without an opportunity the win the new 168 pound belt. It would have been a contract violation, but not a sanctioning violation to leave one of the two belts uncontested.

It was a unique bout and defies definition as a catch-weight bout due to its uniqueness.

But I fully agree: had ONLY the 175 pound belt been contested, then 168 would CLEARLY be a catch-weight for the 175 pound belt.

Posted November 8, 2013 3:29 pm 


Lenny

Real Tark funny stuff. Did this really happen ?

Posted November 8, 2013 12:35 pm 


DMX

Joe
You need to watch more fights
Try Evander Holyfield v Dwight Muhammad Qawi I
or Nigel Benn v Chris Eubank I
or even Michael Nunn v James Toney,
All great fights

Posted November 8, 2013 10:04 am 


Joe

This was one of my favorite fights. Early in the fight Leonard probably was thinking why did I want to fight this big awkward guy.

Posted November 8, 2013 9:26 am 


DMX

Quite clearly this anal stretching joke routine is not even slightly amusing

Posted November 8, 2013 4:09 am 


TARK

You guys all know Idiot Ernie.. He’s suffering from delusions that he’s funny.

Posted November 8, 2013 2:26 am 


TARK

Hidalgo., I actually like Leonard a lot. Most people do. However he is not above criticism.. I love to see appropriate fights and the best fighting the best.. I like Sergio Martinez too but he should fight GGG. I like Adonis Stevenson but he should fight Kovalev.

I hate it when the best known and most popular boxers find a way around fighting the toughest opponents by setting up fights with guys like Lalonde, or 2nd rate “mandatories” or other schemes that help them hold on to their status as “world champion” while the best fighters in the division cool their heels forever and can’t get a fight with them. Leonard was one of the worst duckers after he beat Hagler and refused to fight the top rated middleweights.

It was a great deal when Donaire fought Rigondeaux.. I was amazed at that.. That should be duplicated in every division.

Posted November 7, 2013 11:38 pm 


D

The heavyweight division does have an upper weight limit. If you weigh over 12 tons you don’t qualify because you’re an elephant, not a human. It’s one of those unwritten rules that nobody violates.

Posted November 7, 2013 11:01 pm 


Hidalgo

Tark, do me a favor and go back to the last Pacquiao/Rios article and answer my question about the three knockdowns in one round rule.

thanks.

Posted November 7, 2013 10:20 pm 


Hidalgo

“Generally you have to weigh between the separation of 2 classes for a fight to be OK’d by a commission and sanctioned by an org.”

Thanks, Tark. Yours is a better, simpler explanation.

Posted November 7, 2013 10:11 pm 


Hidalgo

In other words there is no rule that says a boxer must weigh at least 200+ lbs to fight as a heavyweight. The 200+ pound number is merely the starting point for the heavyweight division since cruiserweight limit is 200 and the heavyweight division has no upper weight limit.

Look at it this way: Suppose the heavyweight division did have an upper weight limit. Then, like all the other divisions it would not show a lower weight instead it would read just like the rest: Super middleweight, 168 lbs., light heavyweight 175 lbs., cruiserweight 200 lbs., heavyweight 225 lbs. etc. But since there is no upper limit it becomes necessary to define where the heavyweight division starts. But it’s not a limit. Not in the manner that Braggadamus claims it is.

Braggadamus used the example: “SO Leonard was within his rights to ask for the Fight at 168 for the LHW title just as Pacquiao was within his rights to ask for a fight at 145 for the WW title. Now the opponent is NOT forced to accept but IF they DO it IS a legit title Fight. ”

Well, guess what? If Chad Dawson weighs 175 and he wants to fight Povetkin at 210 for a heavyweight title, and Povetkin agrees, the fight is legit and Dawson has the opportunity to take become a heavyweight champion. There is no lower weight limit rule in the heavyweight division that would prevent Dawson or any other fighter from doing this.

Posted November 7, 2013 10:09 pm 


TARK

Generally there is a lower weight limit for a fight to be sanctioned.. Fitzsimmons fought over 100 years ago.. Marciano defended the title mostly against light heavyweights—and fought 60 years ago.. At first there were 3 divisions lightweight, middleweight, and heavyweight.. As the popularity of Boxing grew — and the number of combatants grew — the number of divisions grew to accommodate adults of all sizes.

I’m sure if a super athlete who weighed 160 came along and destroyed everybody in his class, the light heavyweight class, and the cruiserweight class—existing commissions and orgs would OK a fight with the Heavyweight Champion, but such a scenario is extremely unlikely.

Generally you have to weigh between the separation of 2 classes for a fight to be OK’d by a commission and sanctioned by an org. Nobody wants boxers getting killed unnecessarily or face an unfair size disadvantage. My beef is that Lalonde had to come way down to 168 to defend his 175-pound title. That’s pure crap, and he wouldn’t have put himself at such a disadvantage if he wasn’t bribed with millions of dollars. Only one title should have been at stake—as was the case in the Ward-Dawson and Toney-Barkley 168-pound title fights—that involved light heavyweight champions who lost.

Posted November 7, 2013 10:08 pm 


Tomato Can

Hildago, yeah I wanted to be sure I didn’t miss a change like that. Lol

Posted November 7, 2013 9:55 pm 


Hidalgo

Excuse me, heavyweight division is just listed as 200+ lbs.

Posted November 7, 2013 9:53 pm 


Hidalgo

Tomato Can, the heavyweight division has no lower or upper limit. All the other weight divisions have upper limits only. The WBC for instance states that the Heavyweight division is for boxers who weigh 200 or more pounds. It does not state that they must way at least 200 pounds.

Let me rephrase that, if the heavyweight division does in fact have a lower weight limit, I want Braggadamus to prove it by citing the rule. Verbatum.

Posted November 7, 2013 9:45 pm 


Hidalgo

BTW, spazzadamus, I didn’t question you about any division but the heavyweight division. Stop being evasive by trying to insult me.

ANSWER THE QUESTION BY SHOWING PROOF OF YOUR CLAIM.

Posted November 7, 2013 9:42 pm 


Hidalgo

“IF YOU don’t know that then don’t ask ME to DO the work for YOU…..YOU go learn more about Boxing.”

Provide proof, Idiot-a-damus. If you’re so certain there is a lower weight limit for heavyweights please direct us all to that rule. Show us. After all, if you’re right, you have nothing to lose.

Posted November 7, 2013 9:40 pm 


Tomato Can

Heck Bob Fitzsimmons weighed 167 pounds when he won the heavyweight title… so what’s the minimum weight for heavyweights? Maybe you meant all weight classes have a maximum limit, except for heavyweight.

Posted November 7, 2013 9:32 pm 


Boxtradamus

When you can hold the HW title at 185 that’s called GREATNESS.

Posted November 7, 2013 9:31 pm 


Tomato Can

So then there’s no minimum for heavyweight either, right?

Posted November 7, 2013 9:24 pm 


Tomato Can

What’s the minimum weight for competing at heavyweight? 200? If that’s the case perhaps they should put an asterisk besides Marciano’s name as well as many others, cause he held the title while fighting as low as 185.

Posted November 7, 2013 9:22 pm 


Boxtradamus

Hidalgo says….”Could you please copy and paste that rule?”…”Also cite where you found the rule, the title of the rule, the section, subsection, etc.”…I don’t remember WHERE I found the rule. It SHOULD be common knowledge to Boxing fans. Each weight class besides HW is a certain weight and UNDER. Its why Hank Armstrong could WIN the WW title while weighing in at 135. IF YOU don’t know that then don’t ask ME to DO the work for YOU…..YOU go learn more about Boxing.

Posted November 7, 2013 8:48 pm 


te tumbo

“Fact is if the governing bodies did their jobs they would forbid such agreements. If it’s for the 175 lb belt that’s the max weight, period”. Co-Sign. my first preference is always for matchups that clarify the rankings in their respective weight-classes. otherwise, i’m opposed to promotional spectacles that favor one fighter, diminish the sport, and do NOTHING to clarify the rankings or enhance the competitiveness of the sport.

Posted November 7, 2013 7:56 pm 


TARK

Fight Aficionado.., I have failed to come up with another fight in fistic history where this kind of crap was allowed.

In a way I don’t blame Leonard.. The top rated middleweights were Michael Nunn, Mike McCAllum, and Julian Jackson.. Those were very risky opponents.. You have to credit Leonard—or somebody on his team—for coming up with Lalonde as an opponent and inventing this scheme to compromise him weight wise, and pulling this together with the accrediting orgs.

Posted November 7, 2013 7:31 pm 


Fight Aficionado

And I always was a big Ray Leonard fan so this view isn’t Haterade. Far from it. Tommy Hearns is my all-time favorite boxer but Leonard is up there too.

Posted November 7, 2013 6:41 pm 


Fight Aficionado

The thing that bothered me about this is it was officially for Lalonde’s light heavyweight belt but the contract had a max weight of 168. That was an early predecessor to today’s catch weight BS. Fact is if the governing bodies did their jobs they would forbid such agreements. If it’s for the 175 lb belt that’s the max weight, period.

Posted November 7, 2013 6:38 pm 


TARK

Old Yank…, If that were the case than Andre Ward would be the Light Heavyweight Champion of the World instead of Superman Stevenson. Ward beat Chad Dawson before Stevenson did … and both Andre and Chad were under 175..

And if that were the case James Toney would have been Light Heavyweight Champion when he beat Iran Barkley for the 168-pound title.. They were both under the 175-pound weight limit.

Unless you’re Sugar Ray Leonard, you get to capture only one world title… at one weight… in one fight… It’s never been done any other way.

It was a clever machination to fight a weight compromised opponent… they had the cooperation of the old boys network… but it wasn’t right.

Posted November 7, 2013 4:02 pm 


Xavier

Lalonde made the 168 for the big bucks, of course. Kind of a soft way for Sugar Ray to win two titles. Ray called the shots and I thought Ray would win the fight. Leonard was a superior all round boxer-puncher and he finished Donnie off as expected. Donnie was a limited boxer who could hit with the right hand. He was surely stronger making 175, but wanted the payday. A few years later, Donnie fought for the cruiserweight title against Bobby Czyz too.

Posted November 7, 2013 4:01 pm 


Hidalgo

Tark, you sound resentful, envious, and jealous of Leonard.

Posted November 7, 2013 3:47 pm 


Die Siener

Leonard manipulation at its best. Great to see the ultimate Wally get starched by Camacho. Teddy Atlas ‘s version of events re Lalonde are quite revealing- really makes himself look v bad.

Posted November 7, 2013 3:41 pm 


Old Yank

A temptation to campaign Pavlik at 160, 168 and 175 essentially all at the same time had great historic appeal for both Arum and Pavlik. It was a stupid idea that crashed and burned.

There is no way to fight for two titles in different weight classes at the same time in the same bout without the requirement being that both fighters make the LOWER limit. It does NOT make it a catch-weight bout. It makes it a bout for two titles that requires making the lower of the two limits.

Posted November 7, 2013 3:25 pm 


te tumbo

Tark’s got the beat. Leonard’s celebrity and promotional clout was enough to browbeat virtually Any and Every opponent into accepting his condition$.

Posted November 7, 2013 2:47 pm 


Anonymous

Leonard had a way of imposing his own rules and sanctions by offering bigger purse, but it all caught up to him with Norris, who out of respect let him go the distance, and Camacho who didn’t

Posted November 7, 2013 1:42 pm 


TARK

Old Yank writes.., “It was simply a case of Lalonde being paid to place his 175 pound strap on the line while fighting for a 168 pound title. It was stupid, but not a catch-weight bout.”

It wasn’t a catchweight for the 168-pound title. It WAS an unheard of catchweight for Lalonde’s 175-pound title.

When Ward fought Dawson for his 168 pound title he never proposed, “By the way Chad. If I beat you I also win your 175-pound title.” … When James Toney dominated and KO’d Iran Barkly he didn’t say, “By the way Blade, I’m also taking that 175 pound strap you just won by beating Tommy Hearns.”

Ward and Toney have just as much right to be called a Light Heavyweight Champions as Sugar Ray Leonard does—but that’s NOT the way it’s done.

Let’s tell the truth about it. It was a clever but dubious connivance to get Lalonde to handicap his strength and endurance—and for Leonard to claim 2 world titles in one fell swoop. The general public bought it—not all of us of course.

As for your assessment that Lalonde was “stupid?” Don was in a very poor bargaining position. He was offered millions of dollars, WAY more than he ever dreamt of making in a boxing match. Don knew he was perceived cannon fodder. He knew he’d be weakened. He knew he had a good chance of being knocked out (I’m assuming a fair degree of intelligence and objectivity here). He also knew he was being used … but the money was so good.

Ahhhhh…but the money was incredibly tempting. All the things you can do with that money. It’s not money, but the WANT of money that leads us into collusion. You start thinking thoughts like, “You know what? I’m going to upset their applecart and put Leonard out early while I’m still strong…I need to do this.”

They reeled him in with the money… It works most of the time.

Posted November 7, 2013 1:29 pm 


Hidalgo

Also cite where you found the rule, the title of the rule, the section, subsection, etc.

Posted November 7, 2013 11:21 am 


Hidalgo

“Most people don’t realize that the only weight division with a lower limit is HW.”

Could you please copy and paste that rule?

Posted November 7, 2013 11:01 am 


srminimo

BTW- the other two title holders at 175 in 88? Michael Moorer and Virgil Hill.

Posted November 7, 2013 9:59 am 


Old Yank

No such thing exists as a catch-weight bout OVER the limit for a title. If a fighter is over the limit it cannot be for a title. THEREFORE, since Lalonde MADE the 168 pound limit it was NOT a catch-weight bout. It was simply a case of Lalonde being paid to place his 175 pound strap on the line while fighting for a 168 pound title. It was stupid, but not a catch-weight bout.

Two temptations Lalonde could not resist:

1. Fighting for big bucks against Leonard, and,
2. Owning TWO titles at the same time (joining the elite few in history to have ever done so).

Posted November 7, 2013 9:04 am 


Mick the Marmalizer

I ‘ve got to agree Leonard should have done the honourable thing & given Hagler a re-match. Roberto Duran did the same with Ken Buchanan.

Posted November 7, 2013 8:59 am 


Old Yank

Leonard/Lalonde was NOT a catch-weight bout! This was THE INAUGURAL bout for the brand new WBC super middleweight title (168 pounds). Lalonde put his 175 pound title on the line for the bout as well. He was paid (for him at the time) BIG BUCKS to have a shot at Leonard and have a shot at owning TWO titles at the same time — the inaugural 168 pound strap and defending his 175 pound strap at the same time. Both fighters made the 168 pound limit — no catch-weight involved whatsoever! And of course, any weight of 175 pounds or less makes the 175 pound limit.

Posted November 7, 2013 8:56 am 


Top Dawg

Leonard should’ve gave Hagler a rematch rather than fighting LaLonde!!

Posted November 7, 2013 8:44 am 


Top Dawg

This fight was a ‘SIDE SHOW’!

Posted November 7, 2013 8:43 am 


Mick the Marmalizer

Steve Cruz was also a replacement when he fought Barry McGuigan.

Posted November 7, 2013 8:38 am 


Ray Ray

DMX-im hearing u…..Harding was a stand in 4 the 1st fight? Pretty sure he was any way…something went wrong in training with Andries original opponent so Harding took the fight with very little notice…..punched the life out of each other.

Posted November 7, 2013 7:57 am 


Drago.

Leonard stacked the deck in his favour all his career,

Posted November 7, 2013 7:42 am 


Mick the Marmalizer

DMX: I watched then at the time mate. Very competitive!

Posted November 7, 2013 6:14 am 


DMX

Check out Dennis Andries v Aussie Hardman Jeff Harding
A trilogy of fights
Boxing heart and what boxing is all about
Two Champions laying it on the line
Brilliant

Posted November 7, 2013 4:31 am 


Mick the Marmalizer

This all reminds me a bit of Tommy Hearnes vs Denis Andries (the legend vs the ?)!

Posted November 7, 2013 4:08 am 


DMX

Hector “macho” Camacho was the final fighter to tread in it
And wipe his ring boot

Posted November 7, 2013 3:36 am 


AssyrianGod

Leonard was a fraud from the Hagler fight onwards. Hagler was a far better Middle than Leonard. As a Super Middle Leonard was close to useless.

Posted November 7, 2013 2:40 am 


DMX

Teddy Atlas is a t*sser
His claim to fame is pulling a starting pistol on Tyson
For making a play for his overweight toothless niece
Even in the Early Tyson Camp he insisted on dressing like one of the Village People

Talks in riddles, and uses terms he hopes will catch on
They never do
most boxing fans think he’s a absolute tool

That scar?
Happened when he caught his face in a trouser zip in a Boston Public Toilet

Posted November 7, 2013 2:01 am 


D

…”Teddy Atlas missed out on his share of this giant purse and was planning to murder Lalonde as a result. Atlas wrote about it in his book!”

Atlas talks a lot of crap… Always trying to be the tough guy.

Posted November 7, 2013 1:26 am 


srminimo

Te Tumbo- Manny doesn’t have the exclusive rights to catch weights or weight advantages. May had Canelo go to 152, Canelo fought Josesito, Chavez Jr. Is basically 20 pounds bigger than everybody he fights, Mikey forced Juanma to go down a division and then didn’t make weight himself, May failed to make weight for Marquez and then bought his way out of having to make a sacrifice. We could go on for a year like that.

Posted November 7, 2013 12:47 am 


Ray Ray

Another weight class another belt 4 Sugar Ray….poor old Lalonde shouldnt have been in the with Ray, massive mismatch skill wise

Posted November 7, 2013 12:10 am 


Raskolnikov

This fight fascinated me in my youth and still does today. Lalonde was willing to cede to all of Rays demands because he felt he could win and because he was paid $6,000,000 for the fight. That would be about $12M in today’s dollars – who today gets paid that kind of money? Mayweather and PAC and that’s about it.

This fight almost cost Lalonde his life because he fired Teddy Atlas just prior to winning the title and thus Teddy missed out on his share of this giant purse and was planning to murder Lalonde as a result. Atlas even wrote about it in his book!

Posted November 6, 2013 11:50 pm 


Chuckles72

I remember watching this fight live and to be honest, it was one of the first fights that made me into a lifelong boxing fan. I was pumped up and my dad saw my interest and said, “if you liked that, watch this” and showed me a tape of Hagler-Hearns that he got from a guy he worked with. I never looked back.

I just-re-watched the fight. LaLonde dished it but Ray Leonard showed some chin and serious counter-punching power this weight. Obviously not the epic match up that I recall from my youth but not a bad fight. I agree that Lalonde might have put Leonard to sleep at 175 – he was rockin Leonard at 168.

Posted November 6, 2013 11:14 pm 


Alonzo

excuse me super middle

Posted November 6, 2013 11:05 pm 


Alonzo

That was one of the early fights where the quality of a belt was cheapened—in this case it was the fact they put a light heavy and a super heavy belt on they line.

Posted November 6, 2013 11:05 pm 


Tomato Can

I’ve always thought all weight classes have a lower limit and upper limit, except for Heavyweight, which doesn’t have an upper limit. However a fighter can always fight in a weight class bigger than his own, although it’s not recommended in most cases. So, has this rule changed? The middleweight Stanley Ketchell couldn’t fight for the HW, title and get his teeth knocked out of his mouth, in this era?

Posted November 6, 2013 9:32 pm 


Tomato Can

I’ve always thought all weight classes have a lower limit and upper limit, except for Heavyw

Posted November 6, 2013 9:27 pm 


Boxtradamus

Most people don’t realize that the only weight division with a lower limit is HW. ALL other divisions have a MAXIMUM weight and NO lower weight. SO Leonard was within his rights to ask for the Fight at 168 for the LHW title just as Pacquiao was within his rights to ask for a fight at 145 for the WW title. Now the opponent is NOT forced to accept but IF they DO it IS a legit title Fight. LHW goes from 175lbs to 1 lb. That’s why Floyd could WIN the LHW title from Hopkins at 160. Because 160 is LOWER than the 175 limit.

Posted November 6, 2013 8:56 pm 


Tomato Can

I remember the throat punch, that was freak shot, I don’t remember seeing it happen before that or since. They should have just brought Leonard the 168 pound title on a platter.

Posted November 6, 2013 8:28 pm 


1988

I remember Kojak, Hercule Poirot and Edward Woodward the Equalizer, they would sort out the catchweight thing, you might as well give yourself up, they always get you.

Posted November 6, 2013 8:00 pm 


Myles

@Skinny Whitman, you’re a 5th rate clown. You’re not a faking idiot, you’re a real one, and you’re not my mate you pompous fa**ot.

Posted November 6, 2013 7:46 pm 


Leonard v Lalonde

I remember watching this fight on ITV.

Posted November 6, 2013 6:30 pm 


Rapid

Thanks for this one Slater!! Blast from the past. Remember it like yesterday…

Posted November 6, 2013 5:56 pm 


Myles

Middleweight was no stretch. Leonard was bigger than Hagler by the time they fought. He was 2 pounds lighter than Lalonde, and only fought him because he was a weight drained easy mark. Leonard could load up and throw because Don was hard to miss. Don’t make it something it wasn’t. He fought a weight weakened LHW with no D.

Posted November 6, 2013 5:47 pm 


Hecdog

Lalonde was nothing. He didn’t have any real skills. It was all about money and making up some title to glamorize the Darling Olympian of boxing. Sugar Ray Leonard had an ego, still does, but he knew Lalonde had nothing. Manny Pacquiao is truly the ONLY 8 division boxing champion in history. Leonard, Hearns, Mayweather and all the other multi division champions are or were physically much bigger than Manny Pacquiao, which makes his achievements so much more impressive. Manny Pacquiao’s 8 division titles and beating a Margarito that was bigger and stronger is incredible. Manny’s physical frame is that of a bantam weight yet he takes on the biggest and baddest fighters around and not only beats them, but destroys them. Pound for pound, Manny Pacquiao has more power than any fighter in history and the only one that comes close is Duran. Both of these guys stand 5′ 6″ but hit like super heavyweights. Manny Pacquiao is the incredible.

Posted November 6, 2013 5:39 pm 


Anonymous

Say what you will, if you watch the fight again, Lalonde dwarfed SRL in that ring. Catch-weight or no, it took cajones to get in there and absorb those punches and take that risk.
Look at the Duran fight for evidence that SRL was a WW through and through. With his frame, even MW was a stretch. Should have retired after Hagler, yes.

Posted November 6, 2013 5:29 pm 


D

Leonard made more in his last 6 fights than he made the rest of his career.

Posted November 6, 2013 5:14 pm 


Leonard v Lalonde

Lalonde got $8 million, so he was happy.

Posted November 6, 2013 4:58 pm 


Myles

Right. In Pacman’s case the handpicked fighter was MargaCheato, but at least he wasn’t weight compromised since he fought the bulk of his career at welter.

Posted November 6, 2013 4:50 pm 


te tumbo

“in either a stroke of contractual genius or a stark example of gaining an unfair advantage – Leonard had seen to it that the newly-gilded WBC 168-pound strap would also be on the line”. a blatant imposition of unfair advantageS v. a handpicked and catchweight-compromised opponent for an imaginary title. a shameless maneuver that compromised the sport’s integrity for the sole purpose of satisfying “Sugar’s” ego and promotional greed. sound familar? hint: the active prizefighter who adopted the same tactics currently resides in General Santos City, Phillipines.

Posted November 6, 2013 4:36 pm 


Brazilian Boxing Fan to D and Anonymous

True.

Posted November 6, 2013 4:18 pm 


Anonymous

as soon as boxing started moving away from its original 8 weight classes it started going down hill.

Posted November 6, 2013 4:07 pm 


D

It’s hard to retire right after your greatest win. Or when you’re the biggest name in Boxing below heavyweight. Now you’re in the chips.

Marquez might have called it quits after he KO’d Pacman. But he was bigger than ever.

Posted November 6, 2013 3:54 pm 


Brazilian Boxing Fan

In my opinion, Leonard should have permanently retired after he beat Hagler.

Posted November 6, 2013 3:32 pm 


TARK

The reason Leonard fought Lalonde—was the top rated middleweights were Michael Nunn, Mike McCallum, and Julian Jackson and Leonard didn’t want to fight them… By fighting Lalonde, who had a very poor defense, Leonard was able to get a “world title” to defend… Ray DIDN”T defend his 168-pound title at 168.. He defended it at 160, a weight where he felt comfortable..

Duran was 38 but owned a middleweight title he won from Iran Barkley, also a poor defender.. Leonard didn’t want Duran’s title because he didn’t want to fight mandatories—so they fought at 160, but for Leonard’s 168-pound title. A lot of pressure was brought to bare on Leonard to fight Nunn, McCallum, or Jackson—who won splintered pieces of the middleweight title stripped from Leonard. Ray decided to flee the division to fight Terry Norris at 154. Norris seemed vulnerable. A few fights earlier Terry was knocked stiff by Julian Jackson … But the 6-pound weight loss hurt Leonard and he fought terribly. Norris beat him up and mopped the canvas with him.

Posted November 6, 2013 3:19 pm 


Mick the Marmalizer

Off course Sandman is correct in his comments. However all said & done Lalonde was a fool to drop 7 Lb’s, as was Hagler to sell 3 rounds + the ring size. The WBC has always had it’s favourites such as J.C Chavez & Floyd Mayweather Jr & some things will never alter!

Posted November 6, 2013 3:04 pm 


PEEJ

If the champ wants to put his title up he can do that. As long as you come in under the weight then the title can be up for grabs.

Posted November 6, 2013 2:57 pm 


TJ

TOTALLY AGREE WITH SANDMAN.

I AM A MASSIVE TOMMY HEARNS fan and was still a schoolboy when SRL pulled this stunt and my first words were typical!

I couldn’t believe the whole world was swallowing SRL’s B.S. and letting him get away with it!

SRL refused to give Tommy a rematch for the best part of 7/8 years using every excuse in the book until he was forced to unify the SMW titles – refusing to accept Hearns was badly overtrained.

Everyone coats SRL in cotton wool giving him blye for all the stunts he pulled on his comeback. He was floored and made to look ordinary by THE SPOILER, Kevin Howard, even tho’ he was handpicked by SRL himself and was not the sweet personality he portrayed on the TV.

He was hard as nails and ruthless, jumping on anything to get him an edge in a fight. He led Hagler a merry dance before agreeing to fight him and then duped him into a TWELVE ROUNDER, when Marvelous should have insisted on 15….

SRL made sure the cards were always stacked in his favour, but he came unstuck when TERRIBLE TERRY kicked his behind!

Posted November 6, 2013 2:54 pm 


SANDMAN

Typical Leonard set up. He set up Hagler by making him wait and wait until he was older and had been through tough wars, then made him agree to fight in the largest ring in the history of the sport as well as fight 12 rounds instead of 15.

Now against Lalonde he makes sure he wins “2″ titles in one fight. Can’t happen. How can you win the Light Heavyweight title when the champ is forced to come down in weight? Leonard was a fraud in his comeback fights, but the powers that be at the time gave in to him. It’s a shame.

Posted November 6, 2013 2:40 pm 



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November 7th 1988 – Sugar Ray Leonard Vs. Donny Lalonde: “For All The Gold” – 25-years on









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