Yeah, you’re about as Cuban as te tumbo is American.. LOL no Cuban is going to call a fellow Cuban a Gorilla.. you smell like a racist Mexican from a mile away.. probably Dumbo in one of his many fake names…Posted November 15, 2013 6:49 pm
IM A CUBAN BUT I DONT LIKE THE WAY RIGO FIGHT, IT IS WASTE OF TIME TO WATCH THIS GORILLA FIGHT, HE HAS THE TALENT BUT HE HAS NO MARKETABLE APPEALPosted November 14, 2013 11:44 pm
Tark, I remember you were over the top about Amir Khan after he beat Judah… Drawing parallels between his beating Zab YEARS after Floyd did and NOW where is Khan??? Garcia looks very good but saying “he’s better than Donaire” at this stage is classic “love at first sight” Nowadays every boxers standing seems to go “fight to fight” if Garcia loses guys willl be writing him off next…Posted November 14, 2013 11:41 pm
Danny Garcia is no bum and he’s stepped up and beaten them all and their nut-hugging critics.
How many times has Danny stuck these glory hunting fight fans and their poster boy fighters on their ass?
Danny and his team have a great set-up and have zero to prove!Posted November 14, 2013 10:08 pm
At least Mexicans are funny. You’re a complete ass!! LOLPosted November 14, 2013 8:48 pm
Donaire is washed up, Garcia has a way to go and Andrade is all show.Posted November 14, 2013 8:27 pm
These Mexicans are funny, Mickey PEDs GArcia beats the slow as Mollasses Puerto Rican Angulo and he’s instantly the next P4P Best on the Planet but Puerto Rican Danny Garcia beats Amir Khan, Eric Morales twice, Zab Judda, Lucass Mathysse and they say he’s a bum????? ROFLM-Real Latino-AO.. only from Delusional Mexicans can you get such nonsense..Posted November 14, 2013 8:10 pm
“It`s not the classical box and move or boxer-puncher style, I can see how it offends a sense of aesthetics, but it got him an amateur worlds bronze, multiple titles, a fighter of the year award, and Las Vegas full of fans who will fly 7-8 hours to see him.” – Good comments from Cyber Hamster RE: Hatton. He wasn’t the most skilled but he was entertaining and fought his heart out every time out. Nobody today has the fan base he did. No atmosphere compares to that of a Hatton fight. One of my regrets as a boxing fan is not attending any of his fights live. Those were real events, not just boxing cards.Posted November 14, 2013 6:27 pm
Happy Boy Pernell was robbed oscardid not beat him, Ike beat ODH that was another robbery then ODH started paying smaller guys to come up in weight to fight him which backfired because the smaller guys were kicking his ass. ODH not a great fighter great faker.Posted November 14, 2013 4:13 pm
Oscar vs Cotto would have been a barnburner too.Posted November 14, 2013 4:00 pm
Jorge Paez, Hernandez, Jon jon Molina, Ruelas, Miguel Angel Gonzalez, Chavez snr, Whitaker, Quartey, Trinidad, Gatti, Mayorga, Vargas, Mosley, Hopkins. Win or lose Oscar was a great fighter who gave his all. 12th round with Quartey in mindPosted November 14, 2013 3:58 pm
Happy boy ODH was never a great fighter ODH was over hyped setup fight media boy. Arum is the one who deserved all the titles he cheery picked ODH to millions of dollars.Posted November 14, 2013 3:36 pm
another modern legend. LOL.Posted November 14, 2013 2:57 pm
…., “Suddenly guys are saying “Mikey Garcias better than Donaire” I think Garcias a very promising young fighter but based on a couple tough outings I’m NOT gonna trash Donaire yet.”
I’m not trashing Donaire. I’m supporting him. Garcia is just better.
I don’t evaluate guys based on the consensus estimate of how good their opposition has been.. I grade them on their overall skills and especially on their ability to defend well – since I believe defensive skills are far and away more important than punching power, speed, and physical strength.
Garcia has a better jab and defends better than Donaire. He’s just as good a finisher. He obviously doesn’t have the accomplishments yet but that will come.Posted November 14, 2013 2:31 pm
and Rigondeaux has shown that his better…..Posted November 14, 2013 2:07 pm
No one said his not a great boxer just not on the level of Mayweather, Pac, Marquez, Cotto, ODH,Posted November 14, 2013 2:05 pm
What’s all this crap talk flash took a good tune fight then asked for rigo it’s what a champion is supposed to do. flash is a great fighter you fools stop talking crap lame ass Canelo is the light heavy weight who fights at 154 so he can ballon up to 175 on fight night Canelo is the lame fighter.Posted November 14, 2013 12:39 pm
No matter how boxing fans try to sound “analytical or reasoned” often times they are full of it…. Suddenly guys are saying “Mikey Garcias better than Donaire” I think Garcias a very promising young fighter but based on a couple tough outings I’m NOT gonna trash Donaire yet…He’s proven to be very tough and talented the guy lost once in like 10 years, the fight with Darch was not some affair where he was getting laid waste to then bailed himself out, it was a low activity bout and then Donaire flattened him QUICK once contact was made…Donaires not getting stopped or put down like crazy, he gets more rope to collect himself in my book…. If Garcia loses, people will toss him over as well… That’s just boxingPosted November 14, 2013 8:26 am
Tark, get real for God´s sake. Donaire is hopelessly overrated. Just because someone never hit the deck doesnt mean he is great. Donaire fought over the hill fighters for the most part who were overrated as well. The only real good fighter he fought was Rigo and we know what happened. So please stop with that Donaire glorifiying, he is nothing special.Posted November 14, 2013 3:20 am
Happyboy.., Lots of guys are 37 or older and are World Champion caliber fighters.. Bernard Hopkins, 48… Wladimir Klitschko, 37… Vitali Klitschko, 42… Sergio Martinez, 38… Juan Manuel Marquez, 40… Floyd will be 37 his next fight.
Don’t get your nose in a twist about it because Donaire called out Rigondeaux right after he polished off Darchinyan … I think you’ll be watching when they fight.
Do ATG fighters ever get beat??? If they’re anything like Leonard, Ali, Hearns, and Duran they sure do… At least I never saw ND on the canvas.Posted November 14, 2013 2:21 am
te tumbo – ” BOLD! PROUD & RECKLESS ” words that are the strength and weakness of many Mexican boxers. I love em n hate them for it but ultimately thats what makes em n breaks em. Great boxers, they got balls. Except for that mtfnk cheat Antonio Margarito ( I despise him)Posted November 14, 2013 1:51 am
Tark – Nonito the ” ATG ” is ducking the real deal Rigondeaux for 37yr old Vic who he KO’d in 2 rnds 6 yrs ago ffs.GET REALPosted November 14, 2013 1:41 am
te tumbo. who cares neither donair or darchinyan can touch RIGOPosted November 14, 2013 1:41 am
Rigo is the man, donaire is a wash along with the rest of the list.Posted November 14, 2013 1:40 am
As I asked before, After the USA name the other other Country kickin the second most mexican Culitos in the Ring? funny how Dumbo never answers the question but we all know the Answer.. ROFLM-Rican-AO..
Answer the Question Dumbo!! LOL
Here let me help you.. Cuba? Nope, Columbia? Nope, Dominican Republic? Nope, Haiti? Nope, England? Nope, Venezuela? Nope, Australia? Nope, Ireland? Nope, China? Nope, Phillilpines? Nope, Equador? Nope, Spain? Nope, Germany? nope, Italy? Nope, Japan? Nope, Chile? Nope, Panama? Nope, Russia? Nope, Israel? Nope, Saudi Arabia? Nope, India? Nope Korea? Nope.. hmmmm Puerto Rico? the smallest Spanish Speaking Country on the Planet? YEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS BWWHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAAA Facts can be a biatch Dumbo..Posted November 13, 2013 10:16 pm
Darchinyan neatly dipped underneath many of Donaire’s left hook counters when he unloaded his big lefts.. Donaire switched up and came with the left uppercut a few times and confused Darch.. Nonito hurt Darch a few times and just had to follow up better.
The first fight Nonito was winning all the rounds and landed one big shot to finish it… This time it took a lot more work and he got hit a lot more… Donaire was also VERY inexperienced in their 1st contest — and he beat a Darchinyan who was undefeated and a lot younger.
Donaire has to pick up the pace if he hopes to beat Rigondeaux.Posted November 13, 2013 10:02 pm
i anticipated that Darchinyan would be prepared to outbox Donaire with his unorthodox but notable boxing skills, but the wild-card was always whether he could avoid Donaire’s Left, which was the only thing Donaire brought with him to this fight. ultimately, that was all it took to eventually tag, drop, and defeat Darchinyan whose never been particularly willing to avoid a Fight. he actively sought to match wits, reflexes, and powerpunching in several instances of this bout. bold, proud, but reckless move.Posted November 13, 2013 8:42 pm
And Mikey Garcia was the best fighter on that card.Posted November 13, 2013 4:45 pm
Old Yank.., Darchinyan is a muti-division world champion and fought one of the better fights of his career. That’s a good point you made… He really wanted this one, came prepared, and did his utmost to win.
And the other point is he was hurt early, was knocked out, and lost the fight to an ATG — for anybody who ever fought in all divisions from flyweight through featherweight.Posted November 13, 2013 4:43 pm
Mikey Garcia has talent to spare and has future Hall of Fame written all over nearly performance of his career to date.Posted November 13, 2013 12:42 pm
Andrade is going nowhere in the sphere of greatness. “Raw” is adequate to describe him, but “move on folks, nothing to see here” is more accurate.Posted November 13, 2013 12:41 pm
Vivek — There is much to consider in your observations of Donaire. I do want to point out something that I feel most observers missed — they spent so much time micro-observing Donaire that they forgot to notice that Darchinyan fought one of the best fights of his career until the stoppage.Posted November 13, 2013 12:38 pm
THE BEST way to analyze a fight is to sit with the slo-mo and frame-by-frame buttons close at hand…. I remember watching cortez starting to RUN toward FM and RH, JUST as they were comming togehter! It was almost as if cortez decided he was going to limit the inside fighting that night. Either way, Floyd would have just turned on more of his skill, and taken Ricky out despite his agressive style, but cortez robbed us of seeing that.Posted November 13, 2013 10:24 am
Public Enemy – I disagree. There are rules in place against rough house tactics, as there should be, but when a ref gets anal about them, he ruins the fight. If a fighter is excessively blatant about fouls, then he should be called out on it, but other than that, LET THE FIGHTERS FIGHT!!Posted November 13, 2013 10:16 am
B Red – that’s cool just don’t let your car breakdown in some Mexican Neighborhoods in LA, Houston or Texas because they will all gang up on you because you’re black and they don’t fight alone always in groups like Rabid Chihuahuas..Posted November 13, 2013 8:05 am
Op Amp – Cortez was not biased that’s his style he doesn’t tolerate dirty rough housing type fighting. When Hatton fought Tzu it was crazy the dirty rough housing sht the Ref let him get away with. Forearms, Elbows, shoving, pushing, Head butts.. that was the dirtiest fight I’ve ever seen.. only US fighter that comes close to that is Douche Bag Slopkins… I always said once Hatton hit the states he’d get beat baddly because the US Judges in general would never let him get away with all that dirty rough housing. When he fought Collazo it was rough but not as bad and everyone believes Collazo got Robbed. Joe Cortez is the strictest Judge and Never allows even the slightest dirty rough housing in the Ring. So to get upset with Cortez because he didn’t allow Hatton to fight rough and dirty is just silly. Hatton is a pro fighter and he was in that ring. He needed to beat PBF by Boxing not by MMA tactics.Posted November 13, 2013 7:50 am
I just missed out on putting in my bet for Hatton-Tszyu and the odds were 4-1… sucks.
Tszyu was a better overall boxer, but Hatton would beat him 99 times out of 100. It’s a styles make fights type situation. Tszyu was great so long as he could control the pace of a fight (and with his poise and power, he was generally successful at it), but Hatton is just that type of guy that can rope 99.9% of guys out there into fighting at his pace (even if they’re beating him).Posted November 13, 2013 5:54 am
Te Tumbo. than you have some some sucker ducker martha falkers on the west coast that you rock with. I rock with the real deal on the east coast, ya digPosted November 13, 2013 3:35 am
@Public Enemy, Im good with Mexicans worldwide ya digPosted November 13, 2013 3:19 am
That’s true Hamster… But people who thought Hatton would beat Floyd or Pacquiao were dreaming the impossible dream.. Hatton matched up as well for those fights as Alfredo Evangelista did for Larry Holmes.
That’s the real difference between an ATG fighter and a national hero.Posted November 13, 2013 2:48 am
Op Amp – I agree with yiu 100% about CortezPosted November 13, 2013 1:36 am
Hatton -Tszyu was the perfect storm for causing that upset, and it was something Hatton had been focused on for most of his career.
Honestly even as a Pom (English in Australia) I`ll admit to thinking overall Tszyu is just a greater fighter than Hatton, and that his first ballot HOF is probably going to bear that out.
However for all Hattons shortcomings, he wasn`t as silly as people like to make out, either technically or in his attitude.
He was a short stubby guy, who can`t even straighten his arms properly – which stuffs his ability to jab. He wasn`t fast. He didn`t have knockout power so much as accumulated power. But what he did have was physical strength, decent footwork (he was on Man Citys books as a potential footballer), an immense workrate, and the attitude that the fans want to see someone broken down.
He used what he did have with a certain kind of skill – there is technique to leaning on someone to deny them leverage and then pulling back to make room for your own shot, or to stopping someone being able to clinch you properly so you can continue to work.
It`s not the classical box and move or boxer-puncher style, I can see how it offends a sense of aesthetics, but it got him an amateur worlds bronze, multiple titles, a fighter of the year award, and Las Vegas full of fans who will fly 7-8 hours to see him.
He was doing something right.Posted November 13, 2013 12:37 am
Public Enemy – FM vs Hatton. Hatton was going to lose anyway, but cortez should have given him a chance to work his style. Thats what everyone wanted to see anyway, Rickys best attributes and fighting style against Floyds. Even with everything against him, ricky still did a good job of troubling floyd here and there. I would rate hattons skills in his prime a solid B+.Posted November 13, 2013 12:16 am
I thought there was a good chance Tszyu would knock Hatton out.
I thought there was a better chance that Hatton’s style would be a problem for Tszyu — one that would be exacerbated in England..
I knew Shambra Mitchell was Tszyu’s cup of tea. A perfect target for a guy who throws range finder jabs and rangy straight rights. I was surprised TK caught Mitchell so early and often — but that just meant he had fewer rounds for the previous 30 months when he met Hatton.Posted November 12, 2013 11:32 pm
Garcia would put Gamboa to sleep. Andrade beat vanes easier than lara did. Donaire vic fight was a great fight imo. Vic has that akward style like de leon. Hard to time when that sneaky left is coming.Posted November 12, 2013 10:55 pm
The Lord of Brighton
Mexicans are funny.
But clowns with lots of fireworks and wrestling masks who shoot eachother all the time and eat horrible food.
I just wonder why they can`t produce a good boxer who weight more than 160lbs. Doesn`t burrito contain any vitamins?Posted November 12, 2013 10:41 pm
Op Amp – What fight are you talking about?Posted November 12, 2013 10:32 pm
Cortez was bought and paid for that night to work against Hatton! Joe the disgrace cortez was running in to separate the fighters, BEFORE THEY EVEN CAME TOGETHER!! A ref is supposed to at least give the fighters a second or 2 to see if there going to infight or just hold! RH would have lost anyway, but cortez robbed him of ANY chance he had. What a maggot!Posted November 12, 2013 10:29 pm
Dark Destroyer – How true.. LOLPosted November 12, 2013 10:24 pm
P.Rico is pretty much acknowledged as at top p4p fight island, only people who disrespect them are Mexicans.
Mexico is pretty much acknowledged as some kind of strange feudal drug state that sends all it peasants out to box in the vague hope that one of them will have “it”.
This is why Nigel Benn when describing useless opponents talks about “Mexican Road Sweepers” and not P.Rican ones.Posted November 12, 2013 9:56 pm
Outside of the USA what other country has more Mexican Culito Scalps on their Mantle piece? one Guess, Correct Puerto Rico!!!! BWWHAHAHAHAHHHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAAH Tito has Fernando Lardasses bronzed and in his front lawn…Posted November 12, 2013 9:55 pm
I’ll make it easy for your little fat Chihuahua Brain.. Just tell us all what Two Countries are kickin the most Mexican Culitos in the Ring??? come on. tell us all who they are Mr. Boxing..Posted November 12, 2013 9:50 pm
Dumbo – I don’t know but Danny Garcia, Wilfredo Vasquez Jr. Luis Collazo, Rosado, Cotto even Rocky Martinez Kicked some nice Mexican Culitos in the ring over the past year or two.. ROFLMAO..Posted November 12, 2013 9:49 pm
So Dumbo tell us all what Great Boxing Nation out there is giving Mexico the most Matches in the ring excluding the USA, Which one???Posted November 12, 2013 9:47 pm
Damn Dumbo – that’s alot of fights vs Puerto Ricans, Why?? LOL Why not fighters from all those other Great Boxing Nations out there?Posted November 12, 2013 9:45 pm
Salido is a convicted Steriods abuser, like most mexican fighters.. so lets not bring up that Drug abusing cheat.Posted November 12, 2013 9:44 pm
Dumbo – Who has produced as many Top world Class Champions over the past 30 years as tiny Puerto Rico has? Cuba? Dominican Republic? Panama? Russia? China? Argentina? Venezuela? El Salvador? Equador? Ireland? Italy? Japan? Brazil? Nigeria? Australia? Spain? England? Portugal? Vietnam? Phillipines? Nicaragua? etc etc etc.. No one.. and compared to its size Puerto Rico has produced way more top fighters including Mexico who should be producing 1000x more Champions the the smallest Spanish Speaking Country on the Planet.. that is fact you little Fat Fake Mexican.. LOLPosted November 12, 2013 9:43 pm
i reflect on the year 2011 when after watching Salido destroy JuanMono and surveying the boxing landscape, i confidently declared the demise of PR boxing and the unsustainable “rivalry” that they were so proud and loud about. immediately prior to that Segura had KO’d Calderon in his hometown of Guaynabo, PR; Arce followed-up by derailing prospect Vasquez Jr.; Segura retires Calderon for good; Salido replicates his KO of JuanMono in PR once again; Garcia eliminates the last PR champion in the sport; Canelo desperately seeks to eliminate the last vestige of PR’s former prominence by targeting a reluctant Cotto who continues to ponder whether $10 million is enough of a retirment package after the certain beatdown he’ll be receiving from Canelo. the “rivalry” is OVER. Mexico is 1,000 times Greater. Viva Mexico!Posted November 12, 2013 9:39 pm
Once again Dumbo, since you want to ignore Facts.. Give me a Country producing more consistant Boxing Talent then the USA, Mexico and Puerto Rico??? we’ll all be waiting.. Why is Tiny Puerto Rico among those two large Countries producing top Boxing Talent when there are a hundred other Countries Much Larger then Puerto Rico on this Planet???Posted November 12, 2013 9:37 pm
LOL whatta Retard..Posted November 12, 2013 9:34 pm
not a SINGLE PR TITLE-HOLDER LEFT IN THE SPORT . . . I told you so . . . (lol).Posted November 12, 2013 9:21 pm
“it’s Raining Ricans” and there all landing on their hands and knees before victorious Mexicans . . . (lol) . . . “Cannn-Tahhh y no Llores” . . . (lol).Posted November 12, 2013 9:20 pm
Give me a Country producing more consistant Boxing Talent then the USA, Mexico and Puerto Rico??? we’ll all be waiting.. Why is Tiny Puerto Rico among those two large Countries producing top Boxing Talent when there are a hundred other Countries Much Larger then Puerto Rico on this Planet???Posted November 12, 2013 9:01 pm
But a Fake Mexican like you who’s spent less time in Mexico then Ivan Calderon is a real Mexican right?? LOLPosted November 12, 2013 8:58 pm
LOL it’s Raining Ricans again and Dumbo doesn’t know where to turn to.. Dumbo, Why is it that there’s always a Rican in almost every major Boxing Event? Why none from all those other countries?Posted November 12, 2013 8:57 pm
He is American idiot, every Puerto Rican is American.. Have been for over 120 Years.. it’s a concept a fake Mexican like you cannot comprehend because you’re not mexican and you’re not American.. LOLPosted November 12, 2013 8:56 pm
“Danny Garcia” insists he’s “American, baby!” and the only “superfight” at welter is v. Mayweather. he’s nowhere close. Cotto is stalling for good reason. he’s gonna get Fk’d-UP one final time if he accepts Canelo’s challenge. Collazo is indeed a setup to re-introduce Ortiz back into the welter mix. there is no “mega fight” in the works for Wilfredo Vaquez Jr. (where do you get this crap?!?). Rosado just collected his 7th loss in 29 fights and would be lucky to score a matchup v. Chavez Jr. at 168lbs BUT HE WOULDN’T DARE. “thanks” for the summary though. it’s a vivid example of the delusional state of boxing in PR without a SINGLE champion to represent them in the fight-game . . . (lol).Posted November 12, 2013 8:39 pm
Danny Garcia setting up for a super Fight, Cotto setting up for a Super Fight, Collazo being setup for a dance with Glass Jaw Mikey Garcia.. Wilfredo Vaquez Jr. getting ready for a mega fight.. Rosado getting setup for a top 154lb fight, etc etc etc.. LOL even Puerto Rican Eddie Alvarez, and Anthony Petit in the UFC.. why can’t these Ricans be kept back?? where are the top guys from all those other Countries you claim are better then tiny Puerto Rico???Posted November 12, 2013 7:53 pm
an obvious set-up for Ortiz who is himself a B-list fighter v. the C-list Collazo, but a smart matchup v. a guy that can’t put any serious damage on Ortiz’s recovering jaw. nor is this for a title. accordingly, my challenge remains: can somebody —ANYbody— name a Single credible PR title-contender? Btw, is Cotto still mulling(?!?) Canelo’s $10 million challenge? has ANYbody offered a penny more? what’s the hold-up?!? Cotto needs to sign on the dotted line and assume the responsibility of salvaging PR boxing, which is about to be buried another foot deeper following Ortiz’s KO of Collazzo.Posted November 12, 2013 7:49 pm
Hey dumbo – Look another Puerto Rican in a top fight SuperBowl Weekend.. Damn.. it’s just you’re ongoing nighmare… Maybe Collazo whoops Cry Baby Ortiz..Posted November 12, 2013 7:32 pm
Collazo-Ortiz meet January 30
Former world champions Luis Collazo and Victor Ortiz will collide on a January 30th Fox Sports 1 special kicking off Super Bowl Weekend. The bout will be a twelve rounder with a 147lb contracted weight. Collazo will be defending his WBA International title. The fight will take place at Brooklyn’s Barclays Center. Ortiz will not fight on the December 14th Golden Boy card as originally planned.
Can’t keep those Ricans out of the top fights.. LOLPosted November 12, 2013 7:31 pm
Enema must be waiting for the Truth to dissipate before once again contaminating this (or another) thread with his stench of lies, insecurity, and rabid anti-Mexican bigotry. the Truth and Facts are like kryptonite to this ignorant and compulsive Liar, which is why he always skulks away from a challenge . . . typical . . .Posted November 12, 2013 7:22 pm
@ Vivek… What fight did you watch?… All Mayweather did against Hatton was pot-shot and hold… Yet Cortez kept breaking them up and warning HATTON?!! And Cortez never let Hatton maul Mayweather like he planned to.Posted November 12, 2013 6:42 pm
@ Vivek… What fight did you watch… All Mayweather did against Hatton was pot-shot and hold… Yet Cortez kept breaking them up and warning HATTON?!! And Cortez never let Hatton maul Mayweather like he planned to.Posted November 12, 2013 6:41 pm
“Puerto Ricans, Cubans and Dominicans are Latinos who accept their Spanish, Indian African heritage”(?). well that’s wierd? just the other day you were going on and on and on and on about how white Cubans don’t like Black Cubans(?). as usual, you’re all OVER the F’n place with your half-baked theories and conclusions about race relations. you’re a real MORON. do you know that?Posted November 12, 2013 6:02 pm
” in the East Coast you don’t have that Gang Bullsht with Puerto Ricans and Blacks..” what? no “amor de rey”? Btw, are you saying that “West Side Story” is NOT factual?!? . . . (lol).Posted November 12, 2013 5:58 pm
I do think M. Garcia is in the top 10. A dream match for me would Garcia vs Rigondeaux. Garcia may be too big for him thoughPosted November 12, 2013 5:58 pm
“Tumbo how could Mikey Garcia have eliminated the last Puerto Rican fighter . . .” correction: the last PR champion in the sport resulting in Not A Single PR Champion left in Boxing. that’s not “racist”. That’s an Irrefutable FACT.Posted November 12, 2013 5:54 pm
Damn, I wish I had the chance to defend ecuadorian boxers. That’s where my parents are from. The only blip Ecuador has made was when years ago B Hop went down there & was defeated. The rematch was here…….Posted November 12, 2013 5:54 pm
” have Mexican friends who would slap Dumbo in the face for saying the ugly sht he says about Puerto Ricans” like What? EVIDENCE? or STFU and stop crying about it. i’m surprised that Raza and Ricans aren’t also Slapping your farting face on a daily basis like i do on these threads.Posted November 12, 2013 5:52 pm
Btw, whether i’m posting or not, Enema is ALways pissin on Mexican fighters regardless of whether or not a Mexican or Rican are even the subject of the article topic? the little masochistic “mamao” is obsessed(?!) with attracting my attention. even if it’s negative. sound psycho-b*tch familiar?Posted November 12, 2013 5:44 pm
Public enemy – here in L.A. there is no general beef between blacks& Mexicans. In certain gang areas there are hostilities between black gangs & Mexican gangs but it’s really a gang mentality that both sides suffer from.Posted November 12, 2013 5:44 pm
everything i’ve ever posted about Rican fighters is essentially summarized in my last two posts. “racist”(?) or FACT?Posted November 12, 2013 5:41 pm
i’ve often made the challenge to Pacquiao* fanboys and Rican “mamao’s” alike: EVIDENCE. substantiate your constant pissin and moanin with an example. otherwise, it’s all a bunch of sour and bitter gasss.Posted November 12, 2013 5:40 pm
“spend a few minutes going through most of the posts and you will always find making derogatory Comments about Ricans and it’s culture” produce a single LIE? Btw, you always sound like a whiney little b*tch with your “Tumbo Made Me Do It?!” cop-out. one day, when you grow some pubes, you’ll realize what an immature and boxing-ignorant little “mamao” you’ve been all along . . . “Cannn-Tahhh y no Llores”.Posted November 12, 2013 5:38 pm
B RED, of course i’m not “racist”. that’s just P-U’s hysterical response to being exposed as the insecure little bigot he is. otherwise, me pointing out (what Lampley pointed out during last Saturday’s broadcast) that there isn’t a single PR title-holder in the sport is FACT not “racism”. gleefully reminding him that over the past couple of years Chicano-Mexicano champions, contenders, and gritty journeymen have been primarily responsible for erasing PR from the boxing map might be antagonistic but it’s also Irrefutable FACT: Margarito WRECKED Cotto, or Segura RETIRED Calderon, or Arce stamped “RETURN TO SENDER” on poor Vasquez Jr, Salido DERAILED JuanMono and BROKE Cruz, and Garcia ELIMINATED the last Boricua champion left in the sport, wich begs the question, what “rivalry”? anyway, as you surmised, THAT’s what Public Douchebag is reacting to NOT any “racism” on my part. otherwise, i’ve previously praised ATGs like Gomez and Hector Camacho and even praised Martinez’s recent and game performance v. Garcia, but all Enema knows is that PR is no longer a player in the sport of Boxing, which is so sad(?) but not “racist” . . . (LoL).Posted November 12, 2013 5:36 pm
Public Enemy, Btw im an african american brother from nyc, so you know puerto ricans are our brothers, ya digPosted November 12, 2013 5:19 pm
TJ has the beatPosted November 12, 2013 5:07 pm
Public Enemy. I think Highly of Cotto, Garcia. Benitez, Camacho Rip, Rosario. Wilfredo Gomez, TrinidadPosted November 12, 2013 5:05 pm
Public Enemy, I dont think Tumbo is a racist, He respects fighters like Floyd, Ward Etc. Maybe its the Mexican vs PR riivalry. Garcia is a very good fighter and could be great. Cotto is a great fighter. Juan Marquez is a great fighter.Posted November 12, 2013 5:02 pm
SALVADOR SANCHEZ is my second favourite fighter of all time, behind THOMAS HEARNS… Talking about the late, but very great Sanchez, I saw a picture of WILFREDO GOMEZ (who lost in a super fight with him) promoting his latest charge and he was almost as fat as he was tall!!!
Nothing like the guy I looked up to in the early 80′s as I fell in love with boxing. BTW GOMEZ is also in my top five fighters list. 17 straight KO defences of his Super Bantamweight crown!!!
Great days!!!Posted November 12, 2013 4:58 pm
Salvador Sanchez, Juan Marquez and Barrera are alltime greats, and some of my favorite fighters. why are you so biased against MexicansPosted November 12, 2013 4:53 pm
Public Enemy, answer my questionPosted November 12, 2013 4:50 pm
B RED, considering that Mexican fighters have been responsible for erasing PR fighters from the ranks of champions, contenders, and even prospects, i predict that Enema’s answer will be something “@#%*! . . . wah-Wah-WHAAAHHHHH?!?!”Posted November 12, 2013 4:45 pm
@Public Enemy, do you like any mexican fighters?Posted November 12, 2013 4:38 pm
stick a fork in that martha falker, them frog legs are cookedPosted November 12, 2013 4:30 pm
Yup Donaire is done!…..he is softer now because of his child! I see a lot of good athletes who change when they become father.Posted November 12, 2013 3:48 pm
The flash made rigonbum tasted the canvas. Pips have short memory. The flash will improve and send biscuit chin rigonbum back to selling cigarsPosted November 12, 2013 3:31 pm
Why does Phonaire look so white? Does he use skin bleach like his wife Rachel, Jinkee and all those wannabe caucasian actors/acresses in the Phils? No wonder that country hates Floyd. They don’t even like themselves.Posted November 12, 2013 2:33 pm
I agree Luis collazo beat hatton, and possibly andre Berto to!Posted November 12, 2013 11:58 am
” Broner beat that bum Paulie”
Tell us again slappyboy, how many world championships have you won?Posted November 12, 2013 10:57 am
Let’s not forget that Floyd was coming off a two year voluntary lay off. Infact what pisses some fans off is the fact that Floyd could have put him away but instead turned it into clinic getting some mileage off a rustybody.Posted November 12, 2013 10:55 am
Guys can debate Mayweather or PAC taking it to Hatton “best” but FACT is Floyd beat him up and knocked him out FIRST…Manny dispatches him more quickly but Floyd him a couple things, 1.) What it means to be outclassed 2.) And that he could be KOED and overwhelmed… For the record Mayweather put Hatton down 2x also and he had a ref leaning over him and calling the bout when the smoke cleared…Now let’s talk about who beat Juan Manuel Marquez “easier” ???? Lol….. I love Pacquaio but he was in the struggle of his life for 42 rounds with a boxer that Floyd took EVERY round off of absent maybe some judges charity… And NO KO in recent history trumps Pacquiao laying on his face and hands deathly still for minutes… Mayweathers moved on to beat the TOP 154 pounder in the World while remaining Undefeated (yes this is a feather in his HUGE cap) while Manny is going after a guy moving up coming off a loss… Huge Manny Fan, but his fortunes have dimmed compared to FMJ… We will see how he performs and if he get it together…Posted November 12, 2013 7:28 am
Vivic, why you focus on the GBP vs Arum selling in Miami when it seems the networks do all the actual promoting? Oh thats right, Oscar’s lawyers used to run HBO too. What I see is greedy promoters ruining opportunity for Rigo to fight Santa Cruz. Plus why do you insist on Rigo vs Donaire selling big in Miami right after insisting that Donaire is just a hype job?
I say Donaire vs johnny Gonsales, Gamboa vs Mikey Garcia, and Rigo Vs either Sant Cruz or Anselmo Moreneo. Anselmo Mareno is a great fighter that would pull big numbers in Miami but Oscar is just letting him play 2dn fiddle to his Mexican fighters.
Heck with “all” the promoters, The Ali Act is supposed to outlaw conflicts of interests in boxing and the FTC is supposed to stop unfair, deceptive or fraudulent practices in the marketplace, such as allowing market powers to stifle sports competition.Posted November 12, 2013 6:35 am
nope donaire’s not done.. filipinos love to make themselves the underdogs.. then make a dramatic reversal of expectations… that’s why donaire pretended to be still adjusting from the recent loss.. then the fearful before will now come out to fight him fearless.. and speaking of vivek wallace, apart from his ridiculously biased one track minds.. he has very little left in the tool kit..Posted November 12, 2013 4:30 am
Jonn E. JaGozza
I don’t know, this guy Donaire just a year ago had a ferocious reputation but in the fight I saw a few nights ago,he seemed to struggle with his opponent. Yea, he disposed of him later in the fight with heavy punches but he seemed to be confused earlier in the fight. I didn’t think he looked that good which makes me wonder if he had lost something… I think he has. His opponent was a game fighter but much smaller and he fought out of a crouching position which made him look even smaller than what he was.. Again I wasn’t impressed at all with his performance and I came away from watching him thinking, where is this great fighter I heard about in the past 2 years because tonight i didn’t see much greatness in him at all ? … PEACE .. Boxingdictionnry.comPosted November 12, 2013 4:05 am
TARK – why wasn`t your premise Tszyu will KO HAtton, HAtton has a weak chin?Posted November 12, 2013 3:29 am
I remember Tszyu’s comeback from injury and surgery when he belted the hell out of Sharmba Mitchell in 3 rounds when it took him 7 beforehand.
Tszyu himself specifically commented how the surgeries has helped him and he now felt 100% and had been fighting at less than that beforehand.
He also was very gracious regarding Hatton postfight, he in fact was the one who initiated the exchange of low blows, and post fight he praised Hatton, who in turn had nothing but respect for Tszyu.
I don`t like this revisionism to try to make that fight less than it was.
The facts were Tszyu was coming off of one of his better results but ran into several issues that I believe became apparent later.
It was the best HAtton would ever be, against a very good champion who while not prime had enough left that he was reinstalled as no 1 in the division after an 18 month layoff.Posted November 12, 2013 3:25 am
The Brits like to hype their own from Robbie Fowler being GOD ( wonder if Messi was a Brit what would he be ) to a mere con ( Amir Khan) guy got ktfo by Prescott ffs. Hutton was never a great fighter just like Khan is a C+ fighter at best.Posted November 12, 2013 2:24 am
It was styles.. Styles make fights.. Always did.Posted November 12, 2013 2:17 am
correction: maybe not so prime but still very capable and streaking Mitchell that so dismantled coming off of a long layoff. i figured the rested and properly tuned-up Tszyu was prepared to do the same v. Hatton. ultimately, age caught up with him in that fight.Posted November 12, 2013 2:14 am
Tszyu tagged and KO’d the prime and highly-regarded Mitchell immediately prior to his bout v. Hatton. that convinced me that he would be able to target and tag Hatton’s chin rendering the hometown factor moot, but it just didn’t happen. Tszyu didn’t have the legs was not sharp and generally flat until he conceded on his stool(?!) . . . unexpected.Posted November 12, 2013 2:07 am
I predicted Hatton would beat Tszyu… My premise was Tszyu had a very hard time with brawler Oktay Urkal. KT wasn’t comfortable infighting, grabbing, or mauling. He loved to fight boxers who move like Mitchell, Judah, Jan Bergman, and Roger Mayweather but wouldn’t adapt well to Hatton.
Plus the fight was in England where Hatton could get away with infractions. I felt Tszyu was on his last legs and suffered a lot of injuries in the previous 3 years. It was one of those weird matchups.Posted November 12, 2013 1:50 am
Hamster.., Because Collazo was a feather hitter who was almost shut out by Shane Mosley and never beat a name boxer in his life…
The referee allowed Hatton to hold like crazy in the last 2 rounds without taking a point from him — otherwise Collazo would have finished Ricky off.. Hatton’s face looked like a pizza at the final bell, and Hatton said, “I’m not ready for the likes of Mayweather.”
The last round was a 2-point round for Collazo and I had him ahead by 3 points.Posted November 12, 2013 1:47 am
Collazo didn`t beat Hatton.
It was a close fight, but that KD stuffed Collazo’s chances.
I sympathise with the fact he had Hatton going late, but it is on him that he didn`t get him going early – and if Hatton was some no-chin pressure fighter stepping up in weight for the first time then why couldn`t he?Posted November 12, 2013 1:15 am
Public Enemy – You’re correct about Hatton.Posted November 11, 2013 10:57 pm
Donaire is not done. His problem is that he keeps trying to please everyone instead of just taking care of business and getting the wins. He shouldn’t listen to the detractors, because they won’t be there to comfort him, once he loses and drops in the boxing stock market. All they’ll say is that they knew he was a fraud. Smarts boxers understand this and do their jobs in the ring. Once Donaire no longer cares about the detractors, he’ll reach another level and reign for a long time.Posted November 11, 2013 10:56 pm
Correction – once HATTON hit the States and was not allowed to get away with that dirty sht he’d get his AZZZZ kicked and that’s just how it went. Luis Collazo easily beat hatton but got robbed.Posted November 11, 2013 10:19 pm
The Tzu Hatton fight was horrible. That was the dirtiest fight I’ve ever seen. Hatton was throwing Elbows, Forearms Headbutts everything and the Ref never once even Warned Hatton. Tzu basically just gave up because the Ref was letting Hatton do anything and everything to win. I always said, once Tzu hit the States and was not allowed to get away with that dirty sht he’d get his AZZZZ kicked and that’s just how it went. Luis Collazo easily beat hatton but got robbed.Posted November 11, 2013 10:18 pm
True Dat tomato.Posted November 11, 2013 10:10 pm
Hatton mauled Kostya, but KT, was getting long in the tooth by that time anyway. Hatton did what he had to to earn that home town win.Posted November 11, 2013 10:05 pm
Any other country Hatton would have been DQed for wrestling. Tsyu title was stolen that night and MMA was invented by Hatton. disgrace for great champ like Tsyu to lose his title in a wrestling match.Posted November 11, 2013 10:02 pm
excellent question and observation. i still experience lingering surprise at Tszyu’s inability to seriously ding Hatton who simply smothered and bulldozed Tszyu into submission. it was the final bout of Tszyu’s career for whatever that’s worth.Posted November 11, 2013 9:53 pm
If Hatton had a weak chin why didn`t Tszyu pop it?Posted November 11, 2013 9:38 pm
us – doesn’t take much to be in the P4P rankings, Broner beat that bum Paulie, Alvares beat a bunch of WWs and Trout, Rigo beat Nonito. If Pac beats Rios he will be #2. It’s a JOKE!Posted November 11, 2013 9:07 pm
“Andrade would give anyone at 154 hell,..would love to see him with Lara or Canelo” — LOL Andrade vs Lara would be the most boring fight this side of Ward-Bhop. Lara needs an agressive puncher to shine, like Angulo. Two counter punchers in the ring is always boring as hell. Canelo might be watchable but I don’t see his people putting him in with anyone with that style. That’s why they never did anything when Lara was his mandatory. Similar style.Posted November 11, 2013 9:02 pm
I would pay to watch Mickey vs Gamboa & Terrence CrawfordPosted November 11, 2013 8:59 pm
Didn’t rock him… Had him going. The shoe lace spectacle.Posted November 11, 2013 8:54 pm
Hatton was never the same after Floyd. Went on and switched trainers , didn’t show up to training, drug abuse. I would say he took the fight out of him. And notice he went and fought non punchers and I believe Lozcano rocked him too.Posted November 11, 2013 8:50 pm
Who in in their right mind who thinks of themself as credible would even THINK about, “give to ‘mikey’ garcia, ‘he’ll eat it,’ as a p4p champ? Who has he beat? I mean, really. Until he has a few defining fights it’s waaaaaay to premature to talk about mikey as p4p material because frankly, he may never reach it. Clean out the 126 and 130 lb divisions before there’s any such talk of that. As of now, it’s non sense.Posted November 11, 2013 8:50 pm
Is Garcia the only “mex” with a belt now? You mean, no jmm, no arce, no velasquez, no morales, no cinnabum, no chavez, no…..I guess that’s all of them.Posted November 11, 2013 8:42 pm
Hatton did have a weak chin..,
Remember the Lazcano fight where Hatton was badly hurt??? And the untied shoelace which stopped the fight for a while??? And then there was the Urango fight — where Hatton go tagged late, started holding, and had a fairly tough time finishing against a super green fighter. Then of course Collazo is no puncher … and he had Hatton out.
Remember… Floyd doesn’t knock a lot of guys out… Floyd’s KO ratio in his last 10 fights is 20%… The other guy Floyd stopped was Victor Ortiz.. Victor basically let Floyd tee off on him and wasn’t even looking at Floyd.Posted November 11, 2013 8:41 pm
But Donaire did kick alot of Mexican Culitos in that Ring.. LOLPosted November 11, 2013 8:38 pm
Deepwater – thank you. The reason I asked the question is I know a few boxers who had low punch resistance and that trait stayed with them throughout their careers ( Tommy Hearns, Terry Norris & Amir Khan ). My point is about Manny and how he went from getting KO’d by Flyweights ( X2) but still managed to climb 8 divisions ( Fly – Welter) without getting KO ‘d until Marquez. the guy faught some hard punchers from Marquez, Mosley, ODH, Cotto, Hutton, Morales etc how was that possible cause it’s not as if his defense was the best or wasn’t getting hit flush? Can you explain that to me, please cause that is amazing.Posted November 11, 2013 8:33 pm
and if ever… i think it is possible for Rigo and Mickey to fight, now this will be a tough one…Posted November 11, 2013 8:24 pm
well, like Pavlik to Hopkins, it was Donaire to Rigo…
i think Rigo boxed Donaire’s confidence out…
“Floyd took it to him first and pretty much beat the fight out of him.”
How would you know whether Floyd beat any fight out of Hatton, Peej? Pacquiao was the third fight for Hatton after he lost to Mayweather. After losing to Floyd Ricky went on to beat Lazcano, then smash Malignaggi before facing Pacquiao. Seems like he had a heap of fight left in him before Manny took him out in the 2nd round of their fight.
So many people are too quick to give Floyd credit for ruining another boxer’s career. If anybody “beat the fight out” of Ricky Hatton it was Manny Pacquiao. 3 1/2 years later, Senchenko merely convinced Ricky he should stay retired.Posted November 11, 2013 8:09 pm
yes with better defense,rolling with punches and the neck harnessPosted November 11, 2013 8:06 pm
Can a boxer improve his punch resitance?Posted November 11, 2013 7:46 pm
@ public enemy. You’re too harsh on M. Garcia. How many times was Felix Trinidad dropped and got up to win. Same goes for Cotto. A lot of great champs have been floored, but it’s how you get up and find a way to win that makes these guys great. Think about it. You waste too much time belittling Mexicans. You’re obsessed with constant attacks on Mexican fighters, etc. these men bleed for our entertainment, and they deserve more respect. I get your nationalism, but it blinds you too often.Posted November 11, 2013 7:42 pm
evil vic ruined nonito. nonito will never be the samePosted November 11, 2013 6:55 pm
Except Pacquaio had suffered one punch KO’s twice before at a much lower weight.
While Hatton had only ever been put in any trouble at WW, above his natural weight – and even then by an accumulation of punches (Collazo in round 12 and Mayweather in round 10).Posted November 11, 2013 6:53 pm
Maybe. No. No.Posted November 11, 2013 6:50 pm
“Surely hatton got knocked out cold BUT not with a lucky punch . . .”? if you compare pix of Pacquiao’s* KO punch v. Hatton and Marquez’s KO of Pacquiao*, you’ll notice that only one of them has their eyes open at the moment of contact. the really lack of comparison is the respective punch resistance of each KO victim. Hatton had a notoriously suspect chin while Pacquiao* was notorious for the opposite. this difference alone makes Marquez’s KO of Manny* more impressive not to mention that he accomplished this with eyes wide open.Posted November 11, 2013 6:38 pm
I’m surprised by the evident trauma on Donaire’s fragile psyche as a result of his loss to Rigondeaux. IMO, he simply fought the wrong fight, could improve in a rematch, but would probably still be defeated once again. not unlike Darchinyan’s much improved but still losing performance v. Donaire. some fighters simply possess the code to unlock and defeat certain opponents. doesn’t mean that it will carry over to other opponents but Rigo will always defeat Donaire who will always defeat Darchinyan. if Nonito is able to sort out his identify crisis, discards the “father back in my corner” gimmick, he can reclaim his professional profile as a dangerous, top-10 opponent and even champion at 126lbs. just stay away from Rigondeaux. for the time being and until somebody else exposes his limitation or fatal flaw.Posted November 11, 2013 6:33 pm
Vivek does like to have a little chop at Pacman every time the opportunity arises.
He like to throw stink up around Pacman and drugs, but several of us had to give him a spanking on here a couple of weeks ago when he made an absolute hash of trying to pump up USADA testing while simultaneously bagging VADA which always incorporates CIR testing, in a transparent attempt to defend Peterson and Andre Ward while still being able to attack Pacquaio.Posted November 11, 2013 6:27 pm
I`d actually agree with Morks boys TARK on this one – I don`t see technical issues in Garcia, what he does he does well, compact, decisive, balanced, powerful – I like him.
If anything perhaps the pace he does it all at might bite him in the backside one day. Being calm and methodical can sometimes give judges an excuse to hand rounds to the other guy if he is looking dynamic, even if ineffective.
Well of course he beat him easier. He Kod him in the 2nd round. Pac is a power puncher and Floyd is not. That is not comparable. Thats fine, he does like to compare to Floyd a lot. He is just a major fan of Floyds. But regarding Donaire, he is just an overrated fighter that should of never gotten fighter of the year award. Based on the reason they gave it to him they should of given it to Wilder.Posted November 11, 2013 6:01 pm
I wasn’t comparing their match ups I was just commenting on viveks constant bias and unfairness when it comes to many !Posted November 11, 2013 5:55 pm
Show both fights mayweather vs hatton and PAC vs hatton to someone that never saw or heard about mayweather and PAC and do you think he will say mayweather beat hatton easier ??Posted November 11, 2013 5:52 pm
That is what was reported. His whole training camp that was what was reported. Floyd Sr was like he didn’t show up today for like 3 weeks. lolPosted November 11, 2013 5:52 pm
Peej— I only can comment what I know and saw personally and I let you “explain ” hattons life outside the ring …Posted November 11, 2013 5:44 pm
So yall are excited about Pacs fight with Hatton huh? After all the reports of Hatton not even showing up to train for Pac or his cocaine abuse and yall take that as a great accomplishment even though Floyd took it to him first and pretty much beat the fight out of him. And then Hatton to say that he was crying after the Floyd defeat. lol. Arum is no fool, there is a reason negotiations fell apart of the drug test talk. Arum is no fool and wouldn’t want to put Pac in with Floyd until now. Pac does not sell like he used to and Arum needs a cash outPosted November 11, 2013 5:33 pm
adrian fully agree with u – it is getting a bit pathetic that vivek always need to try and say that mayweather did things better than pacquiao the more so when it was clearly the opposite – and vivek lying as well when he says thatn hatton was not too bothered by his loss agnst pacuiqo – in fact hatton was so devastated by his loss to pacquiao that he even considered suicidePosted November 11, 2013 5:29 pm
Vivek Vivek can’t resist to compare PAC vs mayweather do you?
Surely hatton got knocked out cold BUT not with a lucky punch he put him down twice and was superior to him in every aspect speed ,technic ,power etc …
And I found it so desperate when guy like Vivek who is a die heart fan of mayweather tries to tell us mayweather win over hatton was more impressive the PAC’s..!!
TARK what’s your view on HBO bringing RIGONDEAUX over to the UK and fighting our boys QUIGG and FRAMPTON?
I JUST checked and didn’t even realise GAMBOA had a fight in June, beating unbeaten Darleys Perez!!Posted November 11, 2013 4:58 pm
YG has a problem of matchmaking…the most difficult job in Boxing.
Gamboa is not getting fights… Wilder is not getting the right fights… Golovkin and Kovalev are not getting the fights they deserve to get.
Cus D’Amato…, “70% of professional boxing is matchmaking. If you can’t get a great kid the right fights, it doesn’t matter how great he is.”Posted November 11, 2013 4:58 pm
PUGFAN, I THINK GAMBOA’S move to 50 CENT has driven a few nails into his career coffin…
He has talent, but in some similar ways to the SYCUAN WARRIOR, Joan Guzman, he seems to be blowing the best of his fighting years doing nothing – definitely not fighting.
GAMBOA will fight anyone put in front of him, but inactivity could kill his career dead before he gets a chance to prove himself!Posted November 11, 2013 4:45 pm
Garcia looks good and I don’t see anybody at 130 beating him. Gamboa would be KOd. Donaire is overrated and has been for a while. Unfortunately if he steps in with someone who is in their prime and his size he gets beat. He can beat the B level fighters but he will have a tough time beating A level or elite fighter.Posted November 11, 2013 4:44 pm
Speaking of Mikey Garcia, this pundit says.., “There’s quite a few loopholes to exploit within his style … perhaps it’s his execution that left these loopholes.” … WTF???
What ARE the “quite a few” loopholes to exploit Viviek?
Mikey’s stance, footwork, jabs, feints, power punch execution, and defense don’t present many loopholes to me. Where is the flawed execution you see? Even Floyd gets hit—but does Floyd have problem areas? They’re practically none existent, although nobody is a flawless boxer.
But if you see flaws in Mikey Garcia—what are they?
Amir Khan has a ton of problems. Any great trainer can point out exactly where and what “loopholes” Khan has. Danny Garcia has a few problem areas—not 20% as many as Amir has. But where are Mikey Garcia’s flaws? He’s one of the best in the world so I would really like to compare notes.
It’s one thing to pompously blow smoke about the many loopholes Mikey Garcia has… It’s another thing to define his loopholes, analyze how they can be exploited, and by whom… Don’t leave your critique hang out there.
Don’t be a four flusher… Exactly what loopholes are you talking about?Posted November 11, 2013 4:40 pm
I like what I see in Garcia, short of getting cuaght early against Gamboa, I think he would beat him with out much trouble.Posted November 11, 2013 4:34 pm
I wouldn’t say Donaire is done yet, but I will say he could of easily had an easier time with Vic with some very minor adjustments…Posted November 11, 2013 4:33 pm
I would pick Garcia over Gamboa any day. Gamboa is quite the hype job himself in my opinion.Posted November 11, 2013 4:30 pm
Andrade would give anyone at 154 hell,..would love to see him with Lara or CaneloPosted November 11, 2013 4:30 pm
I see Good
FROCH also I dont like him personally . But hes NOT SCARE to fight ANYBODY in his weight division.Posted November 11, 2013 4:16 pm
I see Good
To salty Where have you been under a ROCK!!!!! GGG is calling them ALL out. Other PAPER WEIGHT CHAMPIONS are TOO FRIGHTEN to take the challenge. There are ONLY a handfull of BOXERS in the past 10 years that fought EVERYBODY anywhere anytime any place. ROBERTO DURAN and BERNARD HOPKINS. to name a few. These are TRUE men in the boxing game . Klitchkos have NO problems fighting WHO EVER. They KNOCK out ALL there opponents OR give them a BEAT DOWN, so it does NOT really matter.Posted November 11, 2013 4:14 pm
HBO brought SERGEI KOVALEV over to UK to rip the title off NATHAN CLEVERLEY….. Well, now it’s time for HBO to come back, this time with GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX where he can make some good money in taking on the challenges of British hopes SCOTT QUIGG and CARL FRAMPTON.
It’s time our boys took on the best talent out there and short of RIGO getting a rematch with FLASH, I can’t see him making more money elsewhere and we would love to see RIGO’s skills in a British ring.
Make it happen HBO…..
I would not put a fork in Donaire. He won, but struggled way more than he should have against a Vic who was 37 years old, out of his weight division, and probably an 8/1 underdog. So he can win titles but cannot beat the top elite guys. Like Rigo.Posted November 11, 2013 3:30 pm
There is no rivalry on the mexican side, puerto ricans still want to call it a rivalryPosted November 11, 2013 3:22 pm
donaire was at his best at 112-118 lbs. unfortunately, he will never be there again.Posted November 11, 2013 3:15 pm
The only thing we’ve seen excelling with Mikey Garcia has been his strength and power.. but with Ariza in his camp and his refusal to take Random blood testing it will cast a shadow over any of his wins until he agrees to the Random Blood testing and parts ways with Boxings most infamous PEDS dispenser Ariza.Posted November 11, 2013 2:57 pm
Donaire is still good, but he’s slipping and should never fight Rigondeaux unles he want to get beaten up wore than the first time. He will never match up well with Rigondeaux. And forget his excuse about changing his style. He basically knew he was losing and took hi chances with darchyniyan and caught him. He’s seen his better days. He’ll win a few more fights,but then loe again. He’s trying to find out if he wants to box? He’s done.
Andrade is a good amateur. His long rangy arms will give guys trouble, but he’s nothing special. Once he fights a top guy, he’ll lose. He talks way too much for someone that hasn’t done anything in the pro rank, and Vanes should retire, he choked and couldn’t perform.
Mikey Garcia ia good, but he will lose to Gamboa and Terence Crawford. Mikey is too straight up and now has a questionable chin. I know it was a flash knockdown, but for a guy that has never been dropped before, he didn’t take the punch very well. Crawford and Gamboa will run circles around him.Posted November 11, 2013 2:54 pm
sometimes a fighter gets broken – like Jeff Lacy after Calzaghe…. I hope Donaire gets back to form, he’s an exciting fighter.
But I also dont read too much into him struggling with Vic… Darchinyan’s seriously underrated and has given a lot of champions trouble and beaten quite a few himself.Posted November 11, 2013 2:53 pm
I think Martinez would be a MAJOR problem for Gamboa who gets decked by C level fighters at times…Gamboa is definitely a guy there to be countered and that’s what Garcia is excelling at WITH power… Gamboa has become a bit of a “part time fighter” so I question how much he has in the tank when a REALLY tough moment arises…Posted November 11, 2013 2:27 pm
I think it’s PLENTY early to start saying “Donaires done” he’s 30 years old and was recently fighter of the year, Rigo boxed masterfully and beat him on points and took a trip to the deck to get his win…Darchiniyan was the beneficiary of low expectations because Donaire had flattened him before and he had booked some hard fought losses… Donaire certainly should have been busier but the truth is he GOT what he was really looking for which was to catch Darchiniyan with a fight ending shot… Is he becoming too enamored with his power? Perhaps but the bottomline is he emphatically won his comeback fight… It’s gonna be interesting to see where he goes from here but if guys are NOT writing off Pacquiao yet I think it’s even more premature to write off Donaire who has an unbroken chin and crippling power when he lands…Posted November 11, 2013 2:25 pm
Urone2- I never thought about it but your right his style is kinda like Chavez sr, more than we’ll ever see from his spoiled cry baby son! LolPosted November 11, 2013 2:21 pm
Public enemy- I feel you man and again rocky did good yo he gave it his all so whoever bashes on him and Puerto Rico for that matter are the ignorant ones, boriquas like Mexicanos have done more for the sport than some people will ever know, I think that’s why they always label it Mexico vs Puerto Rico!Posted November 11, 2013 2:18 pm
Maybe I’m wrong but in Mikey I see a Julio Cezar Chavez sr. He sits back , takes his time, and takes his opponents apart.Posted November 11, 2013 1:42 pm
blackbert I agree with you 100%Posted November 11, 2013 1:10 pm
Donaire will only beat a certain style of fighter, he will NEVER BEAT A PURE BOXER, and he knows that now. Donaire’s best bet is to drop Garcia as a trainer, and sign with Roach, an offensive guru. He gets hit to clean and too easy, he needs someone build on his gifts of speed, and power, he also needs someone to get him in SHAPE. Donaire found out that he is only CLARK KENT, and NOT SUPERMAN AKA “RIGO” HBO is like most of you guys on this site, builds guys up that has not FOUGHT anyone i.e GGG. LOLPosted November 11, 2013 1:02 pm
Mikey is pretty good puncher/Boxer, but you guys are waaaaaay over your heard if you think he can F#$K with Gamboa or Terrance Crawford. A motivated Gamboa would finsh him early. Gamboa is still a very good talent just bad dec when it comes to business. TC would blow him out and win a UD dec, tooo much speed, skill, and boxing for Mickey. For Mickey to look good, stick too Mexicans that come forward that cant box, or over hyped boxer that are has beens or never would be. I repeat he does not wanna mess with a boxer, or boxer puncher he will loose. He gets hit tooooooooo easy. TC would F#$k him up, a motivated Gamboa would F$%k him up, thats not what Mikey wants.Posted November 11, 2013 12:55 pm
Let be real. both Donaire and Mikey Garcia are hiding in there respective weight division. Jr. welter is not an option for either of them. With Salido, Rigondezux, Russell Jr., Crawford, and even Ponce De Leon out there, it’s just a matter of time before they are truly crushed for good. Both of them are on borrowed time. More thoughts from Blackbert: Mathysse will end the Provonikov bandwagon, Canelo’s mandatory should be the winner of Lara/Trout; nothing less than Angulo is acceptable. Pacquiao is still the #1 ducker in boxing. Will someone please start talking about Keith Thurman and stop pretending he doesn’t exist; If Canelo likes fighting welters, then there you go. Floyd will, as usual, fight whoever the boxing fan pick, but this time in the welterweight division. Keep in mind, however, that Money May doesn’t have time to waste on the construction of new buildings, etc.Posted November 11, 2013 12:45 pm
Rigs done took out the heart.Posted November 11, 2013 12:02 pm
I agree with Vivek, to some extent, on all of his responses and analysis. Something’s up with Donaire. He should have been elated after his TKO of Darchinyan, but he wasn’t. Instead, he looked worn out, unhappy, and just glad that the fight was over with. I don’t believe he’s sincere in wanting to fight Rigondeaux again. And like Vivek said, Rigo will do the same thing to Nonito again.
I also think Vivek used a very accurate word to describe Andrade: “Raw.” Martirosyan is no walk in the park, but the Andrade I saw last night, is quickly going to lose his newly-won belt to the first top-notch contender he faces, if he doesn’t make some vast improvements right away. Using his jab more is another. Tightening up his shots will also be important because for a good portion of the fight, Vanes had no problem timing him. Andrade has blistering quick hands, but he holds them too low and often leaves himself open for counter-shots. He also showed a propensity to lean over as he fought–as Vivek said, it would probably help Demetrius to “fight taller.”
As for Mikey Garcia, I was impressed with the way he made adjustments then finally got the TKO. But he was being outboxed by Martinez for a good portion of the fight. Martinez was faster, slicker, and smarter–until he tasted Garcia’s power. But Mikey was clearly much bigger than Martinez–this in a weight division that Mikey had previously never fought in. His size advantage along with the power it contained, definitely helped him in this fight. Mikey really belongs in the lightweight division. He is that big. And that’s a division in which he’d have some serious, threatening competition.Posted November 11, 2013 11:53 am
Boxer – I’m just fkn with the idiots bashing Puerto Rico and Puerto Ricans for the Rocky loss.. it’s all in fun..Posted November 11, 2013 11:39 am
“Mikey just needs to move UP in weight and stop doing harm to his body with the SISSYFIED boil down and balloon UP process.”
“Sissyfied.” Interesting comment from a loudmouth that has never boxed in his life. That would be you Boxtradamus.Posted November 11, 2013 11:36 am
T bone- no way!! Mikey should too andre ward there is no way, I think if mikey fights gamboa or Crawford and wins than he can be put in that list and that’s on the list, In my opinion sog is p4p#1Posted November 11, 2013 11:35 am
Knocking somebody when you are beat the whole fight does not make you technically gifted, even Mayorga knocked out people twice or more I mean champions. Remember Vic is the smaller man here, but boy if he had more power it would have been a sad night for Donaire, who is one of my favorite fighters out there.Posted November 11, 2013 11:35 am
Public enemy my man chill with that already remember Mexico didnt beat Puerto Rico, Mikey beat Martinez that’s it yo, as a Latino we really need to quit that already the media labels these fights like that for this reason right here to keep people fighting eachother remember biggie and PAC well in that era the media made it east vs west and I’m not sure how old you are but it wasn’t fun times, lets stop letting them do that to us my man I respect your pride bori but stop basing your likings of racePosted November 11, 2013 11:33 am
mickey garcia should be above ward on the p4p list.. he has after all done the job at different weights..Posted November 11, 2013 11:28 am
I’m sorry but I don’t understand how a boxer who is” totally unsure of himself”and even “very limited” can KO a top level contender (vic darchinyan) twice???Posted November 11, 2013 10:31 am
Mexico isn’t doing any better then Puerto Rico producing top Boxing Champions.. What Top Boxing Champion does Mexico have today??? None.. Hyped Canelo Flopped, Chavez Cheato jr. Flopped.. MarPeds Flopped.. They haven’t produced a top Unbeaten Champion in over a Decade.. These Mexicans try to claim Danny Garcia is not Puerto Rican but they want everyone to believe Mickey Garcia is Mexican??? LOL the Hypocracy in these idiots is amazing.. Bottom line is Mexico is doing just as bad if not worse then Puerto Rico Producing Top unbeaten Champions because they do not have anyone comparable to Puerto Rican Danny Garcia at the Moment… Nope not one.. Glass Chin Mikey Garcia beating Puerto Ricos Angulo is no Danny Garcia.. We’ll see if Chinless Mikey Garcia agrees to fight the guys his true size like Danny Garcia, Matthysse, Bradley, Broner, Prov.. etc.. We’ll see what he does when they tap that glass chin…Posted November 11, 2013 10:26 am
Not impressed by Andrade
fights like an amateur and sits on only some of his punches
he frequently puts himself in bad positions and for a slick guy he isnt all that fast
I figure Molina and Canelo and Trout and Lara all beat this guy. Baysangurov probably could tooPosted November 11, 2013 8:46 am
Mickeys Glass Chin and big soft nose will also be a problem for him in future fights vs Top guys who can actually Box with True Power.Posted November 11, 2013 8:13 am
Mickey Garcia beats Puerto Ricos Angulo, The worst Champ PR has ever produced, slow as Mollasses.. gets put on his AZZZ by this C level Snail and of course now he’s P4P Best in the World??? He needs to fight the guys his true size like Puerto Rican Danny Garcia, Matthysse, Bradley, Prov etc.. He also needs to take Random Blood tests and get away from Mr. PEDs Mexican Ariza…Posted November 11, 2013 8:11 am
I also predicted that Andrade would become CHAMP back when he was Fighting on FNF and I was CORRECT there TOO. I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!Posted November 11, 2013 7:16 am
I personally PROCLAIMED Mikey Garcia as Top 5 P4P long AGO and I was CORRECT on MY proclamation. Mikey just needs to move UP in weight and stop doing harm to his body with the SISSYFIED boil down and balloon UP process.Posted November 11, 2013 7:06 am