Ward vs hopkins is instriguing, but it’ll be a snore fest… + lots of clinching and butting! Who’ll wanna’ ref that. I’d still pay to watch it with two solid under cards.Posted November 20, 2013 4:50 am
I don’t care where you put Ward on the P4P list… He’s the best super middleweight in the world and a damned good fighter.
It’s not his fault there’s nobody in the division to fight. He blew over a robot, a tin man, and the latest entry was a brawler … I’d love to see him go up and fight Kovalev because that would be a titanic fight.Posted November 20, 2013 3:01 am
washed upPosted November 19, 2013 9:58 pm
Ward should be LB 4 LB KING with out a doubt , he has faced much better opposition than Floyd while the fighters were in their PRIME. Only one reason why people give the title to Floyd, he is LOUD and Ward is not. Floyd would of never taken on the caliber of fighters Ward took on, while in their PRIME
“F” Floyd, we know that he will eventually face THE WHASHED UP MANNY after the Rios fight.Posted November 19, 2013 8:39 pm
Andre;s last fight was hard to watch.Posted November 19, 2013 6:22 pm
Adonis called out Ward, so ward man up- lets see what you can do- and no homeland security- fight to take place on neutral groundPosted November 19, 2013 6:19 pm
Tark- Ward couldnt get anything going his first near 5 years as a pro,. Only thing to save him was that horrible put together disaster 6. Ward won a very weird and awful tourny that gave him the kessler fight which was a nightmare to watch then Dawson who looked like he ran 10 miles in the Las Vegaas heat before entering the ring. At what Point is Ward this lord of the ring, for what fight. I dont see anything on his list of W’s that amount to much.Posted November 19, 2013 6:17 pm
When Ward had 20 fights people dismissed him too… The “experts” actually had a robotic plodder like Kessler favored to beat a slick boxer like Ward.. You have to look deeper and evaluate the actual skills.
Now some idiots like Sredmond are making the same mistake with GGG based on the less than world renowned competition he’s faced.
GGG may lack fights on his resume because guys are afraid to fight him… But you have to compare Martinez’s performance v Macklin versus Martinez’s performance v Macklin.. How many jabs did Macklin land against GGG? … How many punches? … How long did he last? … How does Macklin compare the 2 fighters?
Martinez and Quillin would be open to facing Golovkin if they thought they had a prayer of beating him… They just don’t want to talk about it.Posted November 19, 2013 5:30 pm
WARD VS HOPKINS CATCHWEIGHTPosted November 19, 2013 11:55 am
kovalev would knock him out…this guy is unbelievablePosted November 19, 2013 10:02 am
sog will not fight against golovkin…and he also dont like to fight out of americaPosted November 19, 2013 10:01 am
Froch much like the English soccer team need a home decision to win a world title from SOG.Posted November 19, 2013 9:14 am
whAT ABOUT HOPKINS WARD? HOPKINS CAN MAKE A CATCH WEIGHT OF 170.. ID BE CURIOUS TO SEE HOW WARD WOULD FACE A SNEAKY VET GUY LIKE HOPKINS..I MEAN LETS FACE, GGG WOULD GET SCHOOLED, FROCH ALREADY GOT SCHOOLED BY WARD..Posted November 19, 2013 8:52 am
The winner Kovalev vs StevensonPosted November 19, 2013 5:22 am
Ward fighting small guys? Whats GGG been doing? Andre fighting small guys like Froch, Kessler and Dawson? Ward will step up at some stage.Im predicting after he has some easy wins vs Charvez? GGG? Froch?. Than he’ll take over lightheavy.Posted November 19, 2013 3:39 am
Stevenson has been calling Ward out, but where is Ward? Ward wants to fight small fighters at 147 and 160, but he will not answer Stevenson at all. Ward will not fight anywhere except his home town, with his own personal referee, judges, boxing commission, commentators, etc. Stevenson said that if Ward would not fight him at 175, he would come down to 168. It’s time Ward fights somewhere else than his own home turf. Ward is a natural lightheavyweight, yet expects everyone to come up to his weight to fight him. Ward will not call out Stevenson and for good reason. If Ward claims he is the best fighter in the world, then he should fight The Klitschkos ASAP, they would knock him out!!!!!!! Will Ward call out Ricardo Lopez, yes, out of retirement?! How about Christy Martin?Posted November 19, 2013 2:45 am
GGG shouldnt b fighting Ward just yet. He needs 2 unify than step up. If he does step up Ward will rough him up. (Hopkins vs Felix styles) diff ball game fighting guys coming up 2 meet u all the time. Ward by late stoppage.Posted November 19, 2013 2:32 am
I’m a triple G fan and I don’t think he is ready for Ward yet. I want Triple G to whupp Canelo and Martinez. Canelo would come in heavier than Tripple G and get knocked out LOL. Same thing wwould happen to Martinez hell Tripple G could knock out Martinez in first 3 rounds then knock Canelo in the next 3 LOL.Posted November 19, 2013 1:42 am
GGG. He must fight him. If he avoids those bombs, he will beat GGG. But we shall see what his chin is made of… that will determine who wins.Posted November 19, 2013 1:39 am
B-Red, yep- dumb and dumber. I got it…Posted November 19, 2013 12:38 am
Algebra, Tomato Can knows more boxing than you will ever know. He is my friend on esb ya digPosted November 19, 2013 12:05 am
Tom can, is B-red your friend. Here is some tissue, help the man out – he thinks froch is good and Ward is great. Goes to show, dont do drugsPosted November 18, 2013 11:07 pm
Tom can. Facts are facts, I did not make up what I just said. In fact that is exactly what took place, Because I am a true fan, I take the bad with the good, and at least my perception of what took place is not that of what I want to see, its what happen. feelings get hurt easy on this comment board.Posted November 18, 2013 11:05 pm
Algebra, you’re pretty good at downgrading and belittling fighters. Perhaps its you who needs to watch golf, cause your anything but a boxing fan.Posted November 18, 2013 10:58 pm
B-red I think you should watch golf, you might be able to keep up with stronger facts of the sport compared to boxing.Posted November 18, 2013 10:52 pm
B-red I like the fact that you think you said something. Froch was lucky to get past Taylor who was beating out right. Bute was overrated as they come and had not beaten anyone at the time he faced Froch. Froch was gifted the dirrell fight, we all new that. So where does that leave good old froch who lost to Kessler the first time. Ya Dig. hahahah so here is ward with his sad sad resume of what, not one super fight, not one super round in fact there is not one name to take to the hall of fame for fights for the ages.Posted November 18, 2013 10:49 pm
Froch also TKo’d Taylor and Bute, ya digPosted November 18, 2013 10:09 pm
Algebra, Froch is a very good fighter whos a 2 time Champion and also beat Pascal Dirrel and Kessler. your just a hater who knows nothing about the fight gamePosted November 18, 2013 10:08 pm
Can***** ward took care of who^^^ there is not one name on ward’s resume worth a second look 10 years from now. Ward does not have one super fight to his name and surely has not one win worth any hall of fame look. Ward is a cartoon created by the goofballs who listed him on the P4P list.Posted November 18, 2013 10:01 pm
Ward is a hazzard to watch. pound for pound*** yea right.Posted November 18, 2013 9:58 pm
Triple G cant beat Froch or Ward at 168. Sakio Bika might even put something on GennadyPosted November 18, 2013 9:50 pm
GGG hasn’t weighed in at 154 in nine years. Right now all he needs to do is unify 160 and take on all comers and he’s bound to be headlining big fights.Posted November 18, 2013 9:24 pm
Lol, 2 years ago everyone thought 168 was a strong division, now that Ward took care of business, 168 is weak, and his work doesn’t mean squat…Posted November 18, 2013 9:20 pm
How about Froch vs GGG instead? Who cares about Andre Bored?Posted November 18, 2013 8:45 pm
oh! the hype of GGG would come to an end if GGG fought Ward.I believe GGG should square off with AA and take it from there.Posted November 18, 2013 8:31 pm
168zz is a weak weak div and ward is the top dog of that which dont mean a squat. Ward should move up and fight the big boys for the big money or take on Dirrel at his home grounds.Posted November 18, 2013 7:34 pm
Froch is a waste of time who wants to see that boring fight and besides if ward takes on froch what does that prove. Ward already won Froch who was basically a nobody, tough but already a beaten euro who had not status just like that waste of a time super 6 which was a pump up to spark a horrible div at 168s==Posted November 18, 2013 7:31 pm
Well he should of fought Bundrage or Ishe for their belt then. Like I said he needs to prove that he can make it before people are actually going to sign to fight him. He has never made 154 his whole pro career. So what makes people think he can make 154? Cause he said he could. So did Dawson but after being man handled by Ward everybody said he was weight drained.Posted November 18, 2013 5:42 pm
PEEJ, 3G offered to fight Rosado at a catchweight. It was a nice gesture on his part. Abel Sanchez said if they gave him two or three more weeks they would’ve done it at 154 lbs if Rosado wanted. The only problem is why would Rosado agree to fight 3G at 154 lbs with no title on the line? That makes no sense at all. Rosado was already mandatory challenger for Bundrage’s belt at 154 lbs so it was a choice of fighting him at that weight for his belt or 3G above the 154 lbs limit for his WBA one.Posted November 18, 2013 5:17 pm
I agree about Canelo. But what as far as GGG making middle. My problem is that what if he says he can make it but then can’t make the weight? Of course the fight will go on but we could have the same issue that arose when Castillo failed to make weight against Corrales. Then that would put Canelo at a disadvantage. GGG needs to clearly concentrate on clearing out the 160lb division which I completely think he can run.Posted November 18, 2013 4:53 pm
GGG would be an idiot to fight Canelo at 154… GGG has been fighting 160 for a very long time — and it’s ALWAYS a mistake to fight at a weight that’s too low for you…
Ask Emile Griffith… Ray Leonard… Oscar De La Hoya… Chris Bryd… and Eddie Chambers… You not only lose strength — you lose speed.Posted November 18, 2013 4:43 pm
Maybe the fact that GGG has yet to make 154 in his career. He needs to make a fight at 154 to show he can make 154. Once he does that then he can call out whomever. He could of fought Rosado at 154 but chose a catchweight of 157 before Rosado said no lets to it at 160Posted November 18, 2013 3:55 pm
GGG. Froch been there done that. But IMO GGG needs to consolidate 160 and not move up in weight just to get a name opponent.Posted November 18, 2013 1:56 pm
Adrian, I think GGG is a good early stage fighter…. What I DON’T think is that he is close to Elite, Unbeatable or Worthy of all this praise given his anemic resume… I don’t agree with proven commodities in the sport “Ward, Mayweather, Martinez” being disparaged by a guy beating up Rosado, Stevens, Ouma and Ishida…. Were you fools to keep your comments in proportion to GGG”s ACTUAL accomplishments I would not have to point out the flaws in his game and resume…But when the HYPE TRAIN rolls it ensnares the naive and those looking for a hero….Trying to deride Floyd Mayweather and act like he has to beat this guy in order to gain respect is simply disingenous because if beating Macklin post Martinez is the marker of Greatness then I am certainly missing something… By that logic Floyd should face Martinez if he was gonna face ANY MW…. Floyd and Martinez are seperated by less than 2 years chronologically so why not beat the drum for FMJ to go after a 5th Lineal Championship as opposed to facing GGG who does NOT have the credentials, Ring Belt, nor Lineal Championship?? AGAIN why is a 37 year old boxer being lobbyed to move up in weight when I see GGG who is in his early 30’s suddenly and WISELY being kept from the 168 pound division?? He would be DOG MEAT for Andre Ward and thats easy to see, Ward is TOO fast, TOO tricky and and too SHARP on Defense to get taken by GGG’s Terminator routine employed against C level fighters…Anymore Questions??Posted November 18, 2013 1:28 pm
CyberHamster, you can try and take down Ward all you want the conversations about him and his place in the sport is ONLY escalating with EACH performance…He is SOOO good now that coming off surgery the best available, prime, undefeated RANKED Contender coming off his biggest win is seen as “Soft”…. Face it Ward beat EVERYONE and ducked NO ONE…. Are you gonna tell me how Bute who did NOT pass thru the gauntlet of the Super 6 is the guy Wards ducking?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! First time Bute went against a World Champ of note he got SMOKED by a guy (Froch) that Ward had contemplating retirement after he was shown the next level…. Ward’s domination of this division is a THROWBACK moment for boxing where guys really sought to clean things out…. He is in his prime and as the money and opportunities build we will see him breaking heads elsewhere….Rodriguez was a damn good return bout, and he did what he was supposed to, beat him up and make him leave the weight class….Posted November 18, 2013 1:20 pm
So the goal for Pac vs Rios PPV sells is 750 thousand. Shows how his marketing appeal has fallin.Posted November 18, 2013 10:10 am
Mick the Marmalizer
Firestarter seems to have his finger on the pulse here. Golovkin needs to carry on @ 160Lb until he gains the ring magazine belt & proves to be the #1 middleweight in the World, by which time if Ward stay’s undefeated then the ca$h should be double the worth it is now.Posted November 18, 2013 7:28 am
Sredmond – don’t you have headaches from writing all these comments about ggg?
Ward should show some guts for once and move down to 160 and take on Golovkin.Posted November 18, 2013 6:36 am
GGG has already said he wants to clean up at 160 and THEN move up to 168 in a couple years. Don’t you guys pay attention to what he and his coach and his management say? GGG has plenty of good fights at 160.
Ward can spend the rest of his time headbutting the wall in his living room to get as much practice in as possible for his next fight, which will of course will be in California with home town judges and another paid ref.Posted November 18, 2013 5:27 am
Mick the Marmalizer
Froch has to get past Groves 1st, which isn’t a foregone conclusion. If he’s wins then Ward/Froch II makes sense, however England might be difficult due to the high rate of tax. If Golovkin could make 168Lb then that too could work @ NYC.Posted November 18, 2013 5:17 am
adonis stevenson (good power)
Ward has already beaten Frog and will beat him again and again. Now where’s the hype called GGG?Posted November 18, 2013 4:02 am
It’s so obvious he’s using. I mean like really, really obvious. I’m not even joking about that.Posted November 18, 2013 3:29 am
And why he gets so defensive and touchy whenever someone brings it up.Posted November 18, 2013 3:28 am
Why he’s refused to do additional testing 4 times.Posted November 18, 2013 3:28 am
That’s why he won’t get on a plane.Posted November 18, 2013 3:28 am
We already know how much Ward loves to cheat inside the ropes, but ALL the evidence STRONGLY suggests he’s juicing.Posted November 18, 2013 3:27 am
The funniest thing is Rodriguez didn’t have a mark on his face after the fight, with the exception of the cut Ward inflicted with his head. And don’t forget that was a dirty Ward as well.Posted November 18, 2013 3:23 am
Burt would you blame Ward for staying in the US when the judges had Froch winning 5 rounds out of 12? Please don’t be ridiculous. Carl was given rounds, which rounds I don’t know nor do you for that matter. Carl did not win more than a single round and he ended up losing by a measly 2 points. Its people like you that give credence to Ward stance of only fighting in the States. Carl also got a gift against Direll and where was that fight staged? Would you want to see a Mayweather vs Alvarez again even if it was in Mexico? Canelo won a couple of rounds compared to Carl winning one lousy round. I don’t know how some people reason. Carl beat a bum in Bute and now he can suddenly beat Andre Ward in Nottingham.Posted November 18, 2013 3:22 am
TestPosted November 18, 2013 3:20 am
Bulawayo2 how is ol’ Bob treating you since 25% of Zimbos are in South Africa looking for jobs? GGG should steer well away from Ward but Mayweather is ducking Gennady? Still stuck on stupid. How is Floyd ducking someone who is not in his weight division?Posted November 18, 2013 3:11 am
Ward has already beat Froch, its pointless dude has cleaned out the division.Posted November 18, 2013 2:54 am
Kovalev should be the next guy for Ward… Since Kovalev is the best fighter at 175… Golovkin should corral Martinez and Quillin — than go after Ward if he hasn’t made the jump to 175… Martinez would be a big fight for GGG… So would Quillin.
Both are easy wins for GGG and I guess that’s why there’re so hard to make.Posted November 18, 2013 2:47 am
GGG when out of training walks around at 167lbs ish, so him making 168 as a fighting weight is at this stage a no no, Ward would outweigh him by almost twenty pounds. Golovkin would not outweigh Duckweather by that much.Posted November 18, 2013 2:18 am
now let’s have a fantasy here, disregarding the WEIGHT of a fighter, imagine Ward vs Mayweather
now that is interesting, too bad they’re not in a same weight class.Posted November 18, 2013 2:14 am
Ward will only fight in his home town, with his personal referee, judges, boxing commission, commentators, etc.
Ward should fight Stevenson, who has been calling him out for a long time now. Stevenson said he would fight Ward at 175 or 168, but Ward has refused to even answer Stevenson…………….I guess Ward could fight Hopkins, clinching while dancing to music it could be called. Ward just had to get in a head butt before the fight was over. When the going got rough for Ward, Ward’s referee stopped them from fighting. I did not see anyone hit Ward’s referee. I want to see Golovkin clean out the 160 lbs. division, Hagler fought as a middleweight for years, Hopkins did also, Monzon, etc. If Ward’s fans want Ward to fight a 160 lbs Golovkin, then I think Ward should go up and fight Vitali Klitschko or Vladimir Klitschko………afterall, Ward said he could easily knock out both. I guess Ward would have the fight his home town, then have his referee to hit Klitschko on the head with a baseball bat! No PED test for Ward………..gee……….I wonder why?Posted November 18, 2013 2:12 am
Ward chasing Chavez Jr at 168. Looks like he’s only interested in fighting the weight-drained and weakened.Posted November 18, 2013 1:33 am
Ward needs to grow some balls and fight Froch in UK. It will be his biggest fight and biggest payday ever.Posted November 18, 2013 1:17 am
GGG is a middleweight who’s best win is over Macklin. His career so far mirrors AA (Arthur Abraham) before he moved up for the Super Six.Posted November 18, 2013 1:13 am
In the cruelest sport in the world a man of great integrity stands out. Will “Power” Rosinsky graced The Heavy Bag with his presence for a short interview. Rosinsky is a EMT with the New York Fire Department as well as a professional boxer. Early in the interview Rosinsky said “I don’t have anybody personally I’d like to call out.” However as the interview went on a old foe slowly appeared. Someone he was robbed against back in October of 2011, Edwin Rodriguez.
Rosinsky isn’t the kind of guy to whine about a loss. Personally I thought his fight with Pavlik was a lot closer than the judges had it but Rosinsky never complained saying “I thought the Pavlik fight was fair, I can’t scream robbery for that fight. I thought it was closer than what they had it but it is what it is. Its subjective, so they see it how they see it.” Rosinsky continued “The Edwin fight on the other hand to have it scored 10-0, I can’t wrap my brain around that.”
The corruption of boxing and horrible judging effects everyone that loves sport. Rosinsky told us “It seems like every time Edwin fights, he has two judges in his pocket.” He also stated “People know me just because of that fight. You’re that kid that got robbed on Showtime.” With all that being said we asked Will if he would like a rematch with Pavlik, Will spoke up “I mean yeah! Why not? So I can redeem that loss. The real rematch is with Edwin, he is moving on fighting less opposition for more money. So there’s really no reason to fight me from a business stand point.” Will continued stating his case for a rematch saying “On a pride issue id want to fight me because a lot of people talk about it.”Posted November 18, 2013 12:37 am
Often REDMOND I don`t think even you believe the guff you write. Sometimes I chuckle because I think you play the afrotr0ll in quite an entertaining manner, but then you just go right off your spazzer and write 5,000,000 words in a schizo discussion with yourself and slap yourself on the back thinking you have proved X is Y.
You are actually not very good at all at assessing boxers, hence why your criticism of Kovalev and GGG’s technique are so vague.Posted November 18, 2013 12:32 am
Rodriguez needed a gift decision to get past Will Rosinsky for goodness sake. A club fighter named Kevin Engle hurt Rodriguez as well.Posted November 18, 2013 12:22 am
*worthy at supermiddleweightPosted November 18, 2013 12:17 am
Rodriguez hasn`t beaten or peformed creditably against ANYONE ranked anywhere worthy at middleweight.
Sorry but you are being duplicitious if you want to try to sell beating him on points as being something worthy of great praise, while on the other hand spending 500 posts trying to belittle every single opponent an Eastern European fighter faces.
Vitali Klitshko came back after YEARS off and KO’ed not outpoints the biggest threat in his division. How much praise do you give that? How much would you laugh if he came back after one year and just outpointed Chauncy Welliver instead?Posted November 18, 2013 12:17 am
No he got robbed against Sturm over in Germany, gave Martinez all he could handle for 10 rounds, hence why he was level on the judges cards, and blew Alcine out in a round. He fought three current or former world champions back to back and performed superbly in all three fights.
His performances in those fights are the main reason behind why he was so highly regarded at the time and why so many were predicting that he was going to give 3G a real hard night’s work. That’s the reality of the situation. You said he was ”sliding” but this is just simply untrue.
If there was any truth to what you’re saying, I’m sure you won’t have too much difficulty finding a phase in Macklin’s career where his performances trump those three then?Posted November 18, 2013 12:14 am
Surreeeeree “Macklin was in the form of his life” losing 2 of 3, getting stopped for the first time (SAVED) and then beating Alcine who is WAS lightly regarded in a rehab fight.. That’s like Saying Stevenson beat the BEST version of Dawson even though the fight prior Ward smashed him, and stopped him for the first time… Dream on!!Posted November 17, 2013 11:51 pm
This excuse about Ward fighting only out of Cali is just that, an excuse. No matter where he fights fact is Ward is going to box your ears off. He whupped The Cobra once, Froch does deserve a rematch for sure, but unless Ward is hurting for money or is running out of opponents, then its up to Ward, not Froch, to decide if he wants another fight with Froch. Perhaps Froch and GGG should settle it in the ring to decide who from those 2 deserves a shot at Ward. Froch-Golovkin is another superfight in itself and promises to be FOTY. I’m more interested in that one.Posted November 17, 2013 11:49 pm
So your assertion is that because Rodriguez is not Froch or Kessler “he’s a bum” ???? That’s utterly ridiculous and as for Bute NO ones big in him the SECOND he stepped up he got KOED In short order and did NOT look good in the subsequent fight..Fact is that Ward getting rid of another TOP Ranked 168 pounder coming off a layoff is simply ANOTHER feather in his cap… Meanwhile we gonna get excited because GGG beat Stevens and Froch Yusaf Mack?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!Posted November 17, 2013 11:46 pm
Actually Macklin was in the form of his life going into the 3G bout.
He lost a SD — over in Germany — to WBA champion Sturm that most felt he deserved to win.
After that he lost on a last round corner stoppage to WBC holder Martinez in a fight where he’d been dead level on the judges cards going into the penultimate round.
Then in his next fight after that he knocked former WBA lm champion Joachim Alcine out in a round. Alcine was coming off a big upset win over the Canadian KO machine David Lemieux.
So he fought three current or former world champions back to back and performed superbly in all three fights.
Sturm, Martinez, and Alcine’s combined win/loss/draw ratio reads 116 – 6 – 5Posted November 17, 2013 11:39 pm
Cyber Hamster, Froch can stay in Nottigham and pretend he is Calzaghe or has Wards number but. He does NOT..If he’s willing to accept being the LESSOR boxer then fine it would be a WISE choice… But Frochs ego burns at the domination and Beyond questioned #1 status of Ward at 168… Frochs people should keep him away from Ward it’s basically a guaranteed loss and the end of his career.. What’s he gonna do? Recycle Kessler again? Wards just shy of 30 he has 5-7 more years on too barring injury or collapse… Froch is about done and Wards already built his legacy using Frochs scalp, the Cobras girl is a fine piece so seeing her in the audience while SOG bags her guy again might be worth setting up the dismantling…Posted November 17, 2013 11:39 pm
@REDMOND :”Cyberhamster you basically just let me KNOW that you DONT have a legit case for “calling Rodriguez a Bum” GGG is beating UNRANKED fighters which don’t RATE alongside the TOP contender at LHW… “……………………That doesn`t make sense GGG is a MW, why would he be beating top contenders at LHW? Ward hasn`t beaten the top contender at LHW either.
Lets put it this way, I`d rank Rodriguez below Froch, Kessler, Bute – if at the weight, Stieglitz, Stevenson- if he decides to fight at SMW again, Oosthuizen, Groves, DeGale, maybe even Abraham, and either of the Dirrells should they deem a ring worthy of their presence. He`s beaten noone better than any of them to prove me wrong.
Then kovalev,then anthony dirrell. no more BSing about “chavez jr would be interesting”Posted November 17, 2013 11:26 pm
adonis “Superman” stevenson it is, then. Done.Posted November 17, 2013 11:23 pm
Cyber hamster, are you really trying to sell Rosado who was best at 154 and can only “compete” at 160? He lost to Quillin, GGG and Love close bout or even controversial with Love, meanwhile Quillin beat him…. You are utterly desperate, Rodriguez was undefeated, never stopped and the Top Contender for Ward, coming off 14 months whereas Rosado was there to feed the “GGG hype machine” along with Stevens… Golovkins NO match for Ward and you well know it…Posted November 17, 2013 11:20 pm
CyberHamster, I have called Macklin the BEST that GGG ever beat bit alas Macklins the only World Class boxer that Golovkin beat and he was sliding haven been KOED BY Martinez and losing controversially to Sturm…Kovalev and GGG share one thing in Common they are NOT the top fighters in their weight class Martinez and Stevenson respectively…Attempts to give these two fighters status unearned in the run will be trounced by my factual account of their true status… These oversold bogeymen are being held to the light because guys wanna pretend they have the BEST fighters in the World ready to retire… LOL.Posted November 17, 2013 11:14 pm
Cyberhamster you basically just let me KNOW that you DONT have a legit case for “calling Rodriguez a Bum” GGG is beating UNRANKED fighters which don’t RATE alongside the TOP contender at LHW… But alas YOU are the one who misspoke himself with that silly comment… Fact is that Ward has TRULY cleaned out his weight class, the Ring Champ of his division it’s disrespectful to even mention Kovalev and GGG in the same breath they are belt holders using peoples names to create reps they did not earn in the ring…Posted November 17, 2013 11:07 pm
GGG-Ward with a good clean ref who won`t lead Ward come headfirst into a clinch every time he dosen`t like what is happening….. that would be interesting. More interesting if GGG takes a fight at the weight first and brutalises someone to show his power carriedPosted November 17, 2013 11:04 pm
GGG vs Froch is good, but in my opinion Froch will win, This will be like Bute vs Froch…Posted November 17, 2013 10:58 pm
Ward-GGG SuperfightPosted November 17, 2013 10:57 pm
Martinez vs Ward is appealing yeah, but Martinez will only get smothered…
GGG vs Ward now this is interesting, but i pick Ward, Ward has more tools than GGG, i think GGG will just swing and miss, if he will cut off the ring wisely, Ward would only clinch and smother him…Posted November 17, 2013 10:56 pm
Froch is no match for GGG so, he shouldn’t pursue this fight but GGG should want NO part of Ward who will do to him what he’s done to most of his opponents; complete dominance. After watching this fight, if something cold be worked out between him (Ward ) and Mayweather then that would be one helluva fight .. Ward would dominate Canelo, Cotto, GGG and the only guy out ttere for a challenge might be Mayweather again tha would be one great fight … PEACE … Boxingdictionary.comPosted November 17, 2013 10:37 pm
I agree with Stark: Ward might as well move up to LHW. He’s beaten everyone at SMW already. Ward likes to dictate terms in negotiations but I don’t see Froch letting him dictate the terms of a rematch (such as having it in California or even Las Vegas) since Froch is doing just fine in the UK/Europe circuit right now. Ward at LHW would inject even more drama into that already loaded division. I’m sure GGG is willing to step up and fight Ward on HBO, but something tells me it’s Ward who would negotiate his way out of that fight.Posted November 17, 2013 10:35 pm
SREDMOND – sorry but if GGG, Kovalev or anyone you deem unskilled because they happen to be big punchers had smashed the p1$$ out of Rodriguez then you would be on here downplaying him as a bum.
You completely write off someone like Macklin who is a multiple world title challenger – performing well in each challenge, you write off Cleverly who was a reigning champion who already holds wins over the most recent Hopkins mandatory and Stevensons next one.
Rosado – so downtrodden he was on his way to beating Quillin.
Nup. No no no no. Solid record. You keep a straight face while you typed that?Posted November 17, 2013 10:26 pm
It`s not circular, though I grant you it is longwinded.
You are saying that only Ward can dictate terms. This simply isn`t true.
The consequences of the two of them NOT fighting again are better for Carl Froch. He desires the fight less. Thus he is free to dictate that he will only accept with more advantageous terms.
It`s just a simple matter of economics.
Froch will find a bigger money fight with someone else more easily than Ward will, he`s already done so twice since the S6.Posted November 17, 2013 10:14 pm
Ward should go to light heavyweight. If he becomes undisputed there too he’ll be a giant in boxing.Posted November 17, 2013 9:50 pm
Gus that’s an excellent point. Froch better beat groves though. The kid has that something in him which may surprise us.Posted November 17, 2013 9:47 pm
Froch fights above his natural talent which is commendable but let’s really look at this fighter he was LOSING to Jermaine Taylor and needed a walk off homer, many think he got a gift against Direll in the UK, lost Kessler and was dominated by Ward with a bad hand… Meanwhile Wards been handling his best opponents with ease including Froch… Being in the UK is not gonna give Froch the speed, talent or skill to beat Ward… The UK does not have anything magic in the air…Posted November 17, 2013 9:44 pm
Ward “Should” do whatever he wants of that’s go to the UK then cool, if not it’s up to Froch to bend…Froch even mentioned “Vegas” guess he lost in AC and then wants to grit handled on a bigger stage..Frochs arrogance is certainly not gonna play well if a bouts negotiated it stands to reason that Wards gonna dig in as it pertains to $$$ and details…Earning Wards status in the sport has not come easy and like Mayweather before him, he might have to put his foot down to eventually generate the $$ he seeks…Posted November 17, 2013 9:40 pm
Robinson KO’d Fulmer with one sho yet Fulmer beat Robinson in subsequent bouts , same goes for Roninson vs Basilio. Ward did beat Froch but that doesn’t mean he could surely beat him again. I believe if Ward fought Froch in England Froch would rise to the occasion and beat Ward. Froch is one of the best fighters coming from England.Posted November 17, 2013 9:38 pm
The only one who could give Ward “fits of exasperation” may be Hopkins, but that would not stop Ward from beating Hopkins. Were they in the same weight class, Ward may even give Mayweather some cause of concern. There aren’t any other boxers who will give Ward problems. Only thing is that Ward headbutts — last incident in last night’s fight with Rodriguez. That could be part of the hassle of Ward being such a tremendous inside boxer where others are not that good and get headbutted.Posted November 17, 2013 9:37 pm
Both Ward and 3G need to become more popular before they fight both are great ambassadors for the sport and their fight should be exetremely lucrative for both guys. Right now Ward should go fight Froch in the U.K it’d be huge over there and although Ward runs the risk of getting robbed I don’t see much changing from their first fight. Froch has earned a rematch with his performances against Bute and Kessler.Posted November 17, 2013 9:31 pm
Ward did NOT call the shots during the Super 6 he just WON and you all know that the SLOPPY, SLOW Froch that last fought Kesslers not getting his hand raised against Ward..Froch could be in that ring with 5 generations of his family helping and the best he’s getting is a UD loss… The mans a tough fighter , but not on Wards level…Posted November 17, 2013 9:15 pm
Peej – I agree his resume doesn’t have any hall of fame fighters. Prime Pavlik could have become one. Paul Williams as well. There are certain athletes though that you can tell just by their performance that they are special. Remember that Martinez is a natural junior middleweight.Posted November 17, 2013 9:13 pm
CyberHamster, how does Rodriguez qualify as “a bum”
why go to the UK and get taxed to death for fighting?Posted November 17, 2013 9:07 pm
Na don’t think Martinez is a hall of famer. Resume is not that good. Only a couple names stand out and they weren’t anything close to hall of fame fighters. Sorry but the man is overrated.Posted November 17, 2013 9:02 pm
CyberHamster, Froch is Wards SUBORDINATE in the Ring, in the Rankings and the BETTER MAN when they squared off..Talk about Ward owing Froch ANYTHING or Froch dictating terms is simply CRAZY and rooted in the LINGERING bitterness that abounds because Ward took over the division and made these fighters look average at best… It’s Wards choice to set the terms and if Froch does not like it, he can tell his deluded fans in Nottingham that the only reason he ATE a UD to a fighter with a busted hand is because the air in Atlantic City poisoned him…LMAO!Posted November 17, 2013 8:58 pm
My name is PEEJ and i swear on both of my black parent’s lives that i’m white
Ignore PEEJ he’s just another dumb racist Flomo who sucks black fighter’s and hates on ones of other races all the time.Posted November 17, 2013 8:49 pm
wont leave california
no balls.Posted November 17, 2013 8:48 pm
I mean, isn’t Ward supposed to be a “world” champion? Travel is part of his job.Posted November 17, 2013 8:41 pm
Well, since Ward mentions Froch’s name more than Froch mentions Ward, he should go to the UK and fight there.Posted November 17, 2013 8:39 pm
Peej – Martinez is not the real thing?? He never should of taken the bout against murray. He did so only to appease Argentina. He was very injured. Martinez outclassed all his previous opponents. A hall of famer!Posted November 17, 2013 8:26 pm
Ward beats anyone from 160-175 but I think Kovalev would give him the toughest fight. Ward would box rings around Stevenson. I hope Ward moves up to 175, 168 is stale now.Posted November 17, 2013 8:07 pm
adonis stevenson ward ducked him when he was the # 1 contender at 168 and he is ducking him nowPosted November 17, 2013 7:44 pm
It’s going to be extremely difficult for anyone to beat Ward over in the States. He’s unbelievably dirty and all that clinching and holding he’s allowed to get away with makes the task of trying to beat him 20 times harder than it should be. His opponents are already fighting an uphill battle as it is what with having to be forced to endure all that from from him. The biggest problem they face however is they’re stuck between a rock and a hard place no matter what course of action they choose to pursue to try and combat it. They have two options at their disposal. They either
A) Do nothing and allow Ward to maul, wrestle, butt, elbow and foul them into psychological submission.
B) they can try and fight fire with fire and play him at his own game and end up getting the referee on their case all night long, while of course Ward is still allowed to play as dirty for as long and hard as he so chooses. Even if they only do 10% of the dirty stuff he’s doing the referee is going to come down on them 100 times harder than they do on him. It’s a case of damned if you do, damned if you don’t.Posted November 17, 2013 7:36 pm
forget ward.Posted November 17, 2013 7:25 pm
Talking about it and actually doing it are 2 different things.Posted November 17, 2013 7:10 pm
Then maybe after GGG wins the Kazak based S6, Ward will call him out at 160lbs and weight drain himself down there for 600K.Posted November 17, 2013 7:03 pm
Re GGG, I would be VERY happy to see the no1 at either JMW, MW or SMW step in the ring with him. He & Sanchez have been saying for the last two years they would fight anyone in those three weights for a title – though it has made sense for him to become mandatory, then pick up a belt in one division to try to force a big fight there.
Floyd, Martinez, Canelo, Cotto, Quillin, Froch, Ward – any of those fights would make me happy.
However, the ideal would be for a MW super six to be made. Perhaps with Golovkin fighting every fight in Kazakhstan.Posted November 17, 2013 7:00 pm
GGG has already SAID that he isn’t ready for Ward SO stop mentioning him as an opponentPosted November 17, 2013 6:49 pm
Ward vs ggg will not happen cause wards style is that of bernard hopkins and floyd.hit you and smother you and hold you while he beats on you dirty in fighting.a lot of boxers frown on that style.ward is moving to light heavy soon.ggg will fight martin then barker than martinez.ggg will stay at 160 and if the ward fight ever happens at all it will be at 160 ggg isn’t stupidPosted November 17, 2013 6:47 pm
SREDMOND – your deliberately inflammatory talk of subordinates really misses the central point of the discussion of a Ward-Froch bout, which is transparently about money, – with that being the driver for BOTH Ward and Froch at this point in time.
Froch has maybe 3-4 fights left in his career, his last fight against Kessler they split around 5 million pounds / $8 million dollars.
Depending on his opponent, I`d expect Froch can still get paid $2-4 million again unless he is defeated in which case his subsequent fight if he even has one will be down in the hundreds of thousands – maybe 1 million.
So as an average we might say Froch has perhaps $10 million of earning left to do – and that drops to 1-2 if he loses to Ward (which I have no doubt he would).
Ward is just now making $2 million per bout – and that includes when he fights Dawson. He won`t get $2 million to fight another bum like Rodriguez, and there is noone on the landscape at 168lbs for him to fight to make Froch money, and Froch is the clear #2 in the division.
This puts the power regarding negotiations in different hands than talking about subordinates.
Froch fighting Ward would be risking perhaps $6-8 million in future earnings to do something he has already done – lose to Ward in the USA. That risk doesn`t make sense – and if you ARE going to take it, you take it as late in your earning period as possible – and you stack the deck, since it isn`t the money you want, it is the slim chance of winning.
For Ward, another victory over Froch has a few positives – it is the biggest earner out there for him at the moment, he is knows he can beat Froch – it is a very very likely victory, it will boost his future earning and stature enormously if he can be the first and only man to stop Froch, it buys time for another threat to appear, and it negates calls for him to go to LHW, and should he finally fight outside the US he can get this stay at home tag dropped.
Essentially the low likelihood of Froch’s being victorious means that Ward would want this more than Froch would until his final fight, and when you have a disparity in desire for a deal, the one who wants it more makes concessions – like location.
Note I am not slating Wards skills, he is a very talented fighter, though lacking the KO power that generates fast interest, he would beat Froch, Kessler and many others on the moon, in Nottingham, anywhere.
BUT his mindset is really no different or better than any of them in terms of a sense of adventure and looking for glory. He isn`t chasing Froch to England, and he isn`t jumping up to LHW saying “who wants it?”. He`s sitting at 168lbs, waiting to be called out and waiting to be paid.Posted November 17, 2013 6:45 pm
YES let the Robe, throne, and CROWN rot in Oakland unless someone dares to enter the KING’s Castle.Posted November 17, 2013 6:43 pm
Neither. Forget ward. He could not sell out a phone box. No money and he won’t trav el. Let him rot in OaklandPosted November 17, 2013 6:35 pm
I don’t care if Ward becomes another top draw. I look for skills first, excitement second and notoriety last. In Ward we get a fighter who, as Larry Merchant deftly put it “would like to see a fight of the year instead of being in one”. Ward is a skilled fighter who makes his opponents the boring ones. Should he change his style just to please the masses? hell no!
You’ll never see a tear jerker docuhistory based on Ward vs (place name here) highlighted by courageous but limited fighters. With Ward you see a decent guy who’s dedicated to his profession and is incredibly good at it. You won’t see his name in the headlines because he will not beat up his wife, throw his life and career away because he’s a dummy or becuase he’s so outrageous in his personal and contrived life that our sensational driven media hypes up to the stratosphere a germless sneeze.
The problem with Ward is that those so-called boxing fans who are addicted to special effects and idiotic video games will not get their instant gratification. True boxing aficionados appreciate Ward for what he is and that is a truly gifted boxer.Posted November 17, 2013 6:25 pm
Andre ward could probly beat froch and triple g on the same night! At the same time, even Sergio at a catch weight would get token back to school by ward!Posted November 17, 2013 6:08 pm
Mick the Marmalizer
Delroy Spencer?Posted November 17, 2013 6:04 pm
Martinez needs to fight some real comp, oh wait he did and got a gift against Murray.Posted November 17, 2013 6:00 pm
Martinez is overrated.Posted November 17, 2013 5:59 pm
As good as GGG is, and as much as I like him, the truth is Ward would beat GGG. Ward simply has too many skills/tricks in his bag, not to mention a size advantage. At this point in time, I’d like to see Ward travel to England to silence the nonsense that Froch would win a rematch if it were held in Froch’s backyard. Beyond that a fight against Stevenson or Kovalev would be VERY intriguing!Posted November 17, 2013 5:58 pm
andre ward wish u could drop down to 164 where the real number 2 fighter of the world wd meet u and beat ur azz *Sergio Martinez* and i say number 2 cuz the so called number 1 chicken maywheater wil never be man enough to fight him….grow some balls floyd n fight martinez……at a 154 he is still waiting for u ….Posted November 17, 2013 5:56 pm
If it takes Ward as long as it took Floyd to become the PPV star that he is, then it would be well worth the wait.Posted November 17, 2013 5:48 pm
In terms of ggg or froch … The truth is ggg has not fought any real competition yet. Most of ggg fights and knockouts have been against 154 pound guys moving up and slow or small 160 pound guys (macklin and Stevens).
Politics may not allow it to happen but the truth is that ggg should fight quillin and Martinez BEFORE he moves up to fight ward. In addition, I would like to see ggg get through Chavez jr. BEFORE he fights ward. If ggg beats quillin, Martinez, and Chavez jr — then YES ggg would be a top 3 pound for pound fighter and he would more than deserve a fight with ward.
But ggg has not done this yet and it is not clear he can beat quillin, Martinez, and Chavez jr.Posted November 17, 2013 5:41 pm
There’s really no one left for Ward at 168 outside of the winner of Froch-Groves or perhaps Chavez, Jr. (if he gets past Vera in the rematch). If Ward wants to keep fighting on HBO and making the big money he’s going to have to face marketable middleweights moving up to SMW (the GGG fight is probably at least a year away) or move up to LHW himself.Posted November 17, 2013 5:38 pm
Triple G will get his ass whooped if he steps up and fights WardPosted November 17, 2013 5:35 pm
Ward is developing into an elite Floyd may weather type fighter — great skills but boring fights. It took over a decade for Floyd to create any juice in terms of pay per view.
Same will be true for ward.
Ward is great but given his style — sharp puncher with limited knockout power — it will take 5-7 years more of these fights before fans show up to ward fight in big numbers.
If ward wants big money any sooner he needs to knock guys out.Posted November 17, 2013 5:33 pm
Clearly doesn’t know what he is talking about. Ward has cleared out the 168 division. There was no cherry picking going on there. He can stay at 168 for a couple more fights just to put those wins on his belt and then move up. None of Wards fights where close in the Super 6. He clearly beat everybody. Yeah the fight mattered where it was at with Froch and Kessler because it was such a close fight. And we already know if it is close then it will go to the home town guy. Just like Froch got the home town decision of Dirrell. Other than that it shouldn’t matter where you are fighting. This is not like basketball where the rims might be tighter or football where you know the lay of the field.Posted November 17, 2013 5:26 pm
How can you “Cherry Pick” the #1 available contender in your division coming off a layoff? Should he have sought out the #3 guy??? HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!Posted November 17, 2013 5:20 pm
DoNavan no matter who you put in front of Ward at 168 they are gonna get dominated and LOSE…. I’m loving this fighter he’s the closest thing to the GREAT Floyd Mayweather out there today… Tough, Intelligent in the ring, Fast and multi dimensional!! I have boa issue with your excuses they amuse me and leave room for me to HEAP abuse on fake fans…Posted November 17, 2013 5:13 pm
1st froch has to get passed groves which may prove easier said then done and I give groves a decent chance. And we have seen froch and ward before so only challenge is if ward fights froch in the UK to give him an advantage. But ward won’t leave us and if he fights froch again were get same result. Ggg still has lots of fighters to take out Martinez qullin Chavez Murray strum barker even small chance of mayweather so no point going up in weight to get schooled. So only option is light heavy for ward unless froch gets knocked out which could happen. Groves v ward????Posted November 17, 2013 5:11 pm
Fact is most fighters who wanted true acclaim came to the US to make it happen… Even Calzaghe schlepped over during the last days of his career to get on the BIG stage..Ward faced Froch at a neutral venue (Atlantic City) and he lost WIDELY…The FLAW in Boxing Barlows argument as it pertains to the influence of “being at home” is that Froch and Kessler fight on fairly even terms in each mans backyard…! When Froch lost to Kessler it was CLOSE and when Kessler lost to Froch it was competitive and he had his moments…People like watching them fight because NEITHER guy can REALLY dominate no matter what wheeee as Ward DUSTED them to such a degree that the venue is NOT a credible excuse for the obvious GAP in class…Posted November 17, 2013 5:10 pm
shane, they would love wlad if only he were black.Posted November 17, 2013 5:08 pm
translation by peej: ward and floyd are black, therefore they are superior to wlad, who is white.Posted November 17, 2013 5:07 pm
Ward won a weird, wild and pointless tourny which saw him never fighting out of his home country.Posted November 17, 2013 5:06 pm
either beats ward’s overrated ass.Posted November 17, 2013 5:04 pm
Shredmond. The super 6 was a super disater full of weak Euros, weak fill ins and brain melt downs as that of dirrell. Ward won a weird and pointless tourny that for some reason led us to the sucked up Dawson fight that made Ward P4P list which may be the biggest Joke in boxing this year.Posted November 17, 2013 5:01 pm
Kovalev would break Ward in two.Posted November 17, 2013 5:01 pm
Ward fans, I want to give you congrads on a nice and boring cherry pick. So are we going to do big boy stuff yet , or will we have to suffer through Ward’s pointless showings against sad opposition,Posted November 17, 2013 4:59 pm
Ward has NO “favors” to return, the Super 6 was a Showtime sponsored tourney (US based) all fighters faces opponents based on who was winning and losing (point system) initially folks thought Ward drew a BAD hand getting Kessler that early in his career AFTER Andre turned this into his coming out party guys suddenly want the Champion to to bow to his challengers?? GTFOH what’s the point in being Champ? Froch is the guy who STILL feels the sting of that loss and the brief spell of humility he displayed after SOG shat on his game plan.. He can put his foot down and decide he “can dictate terms” and he will rightfully be scorned and laughed at… Froch was defeated on Neutral Ground (Atlantic City) that’s not Wards home!! If I am correct Froch booked a win in AC during the tourney he just could not overcome Ward with a bad hand…..These attempts to treat Ward and Froch as equals BAFFLE me, SOG won the Tourney, Beat Kessler first, beat Froch and is rated #2 in the world this puts Froch in the position of subordinate… Froch has tried to convince us he’s better than Calzaghe and Ward without having beaten EITHER guy (Ward removed all doubt)… Carls a tough, determined fighter but he’s NOT elite and against a TRUE Elite like Ward the BEST he can hope for is looking average, at worst he will look like a scrub…Posted November 17, 2013 4:57 pm
When people talk about how much of an advantage fighting at home is all you gotta do is look at the super six. Kessler fought at home and beat froch. Froch at home and beat kessler. Abraham beat Taylor at home.Ward fought every fight at home and won all of his fights. Say what you want but its a adadvantage.Posted November 17, 2013 4:53 pm
People here are saying Kovalev will beat a Adonis, ugh! That is a toss-up at best. Who has kovalev beaten?Posted November 17, 2013 4:52 pm
Wlad does not provide a brutal KO. All he does is punch and hold. That does not happen with Floyd or Ward. They work the inside, they throw different types of punches. They don’t just have a jab, right, hook and upper cut. They very their arsenal. Wlad doesn’t and he cheats by leaning all his weights on opponents.Posted November 17, 2013 4:43 pm
Ward needs to step out of his comfort zone and go for the bigger challenges. Adonis would be a great fight. GGG is making his name in the lighter division, it’s time for Ward to take all the drug testing and fight the bigger guys. He needs to shake things up in his career because he’s not gaining any big publicity as an elite fighter. He needs to step up or come down to another weight to take on the big names or the guys that have appeal. Ward is simply lack luster as far as his name is concerned. He is very good, but his boxing appeal as far as boxing excitement goes is dead. Ward needs to step it up or he’ll remain stagnant forever.Posted November 17, 2013 4:42 pm
It should b remembered Kessler was the No.1 in the division and the biggest name too, and he fought Ward in America. Froch was an alphabet champ too, and he also fought Ward in America. … SOG is THE main man at 168 now. I’d love him to com to the UK to return the favor, but as the champ he can do wot he wants.Posted November 17, 2013 4:37 pm
Now let me say. If you like Ward you love Wladimir. Ward and FMJ as skilled as they are are unwatchable. At least Wladimir usually provides a relieving brutal Ko. So…….Posted November 17, 2013 4:36 pm
No more concessions made for Ward! No GGG moving up, nobody else travelling to cater for him. Ward needs fights that people want to see, so let the guy move to 175.Posted November 17, 2013 4:31 pm
Froch in Merry Old England where Ward will again whip the limey pretender and shut all the limey big mouths who are under the delusion their fighter is champion of a significant belt. But wait..aren’t we putting the cart before the horse? Froch still has to defeat Groves in an all limey sandbox scuffle!
In any case the limeys don’t intend to place in jeopardy their claim to the 168 title so there will probably be a rematch clause in the Froch/Grove spat.
After watching Ward display his superior skills against that clown who should be washing dishes instead of disgracing the square circle, GGG is in no hurry to risk his record. There’s plenty of fish to fry yet in the 160 lb pond and there’s still the winner of the Cotto/Alvarez clash at 154. GGG has said he would be willing to crush anyone between 154 and 168 and crushing a 154 pounder for mucho dinero seems to be a much wiser choice.
All in all, it’s a stupid question.Posted November 17, 2013 4:31 pm
Who knows maybe Ward is ready to move up to 175. If so I would pick him over any of the current 175 pound fighters.Posted November 17, 2013 4:29 pm
I like both GGG and Kovalev. But I seems like a lot of fans want to see them fight smaller fighters the themselves. No one wants to see either move north of their weight classes.Posted November 17, 2013 4:27 pm
To me both GGG and Froch are beatable against Ward. Ward should move up and challenge Adonis, Bernard, Kovalev..etc.Posted November 17, 2013 4:27 pm
Talks of a Froch rematch doesn’t even make sense. Ward schooled Froch already. Let’s be honest for once: You guys demanding a Froch rematch overseas are really hoping that even if Wards schools Froch again, the judges will give Froch the hometown cooking decision anyway. It has nothing to do with Ward proving himself, because he’s already done so by cleaning out the division. Again, what happened to all the confidence behind GGG? It was there when it came to fighting a boxing master who struggles to make 154, but a boxing master at 168? Well, that a different animal.Posted November 17, 2013 4:23 pm
Forget ward v ggg lets see Froch vrs ggg! That would be a war.Posted November 17, 2013 4:20 pm
Yes if he beats Stevenson then he would be champ. And if he wants people to come to Russia then he would have the right too. Question is can he make a lot of money in Russia like Froch can in the UK or Stevenson can in Canada. Ward isn’t scared to travel, like the person said below show him the money. That is how you know Froch is not really interested in a rematch, they are not paying Ward to come out there.Posted November 17, 2013 4:16 pm
@Martin- Iagree with your posts. As a Ward fan, nothing I’d like more than for him to go to the UK and fight Froch. As for the belts, I think we can all agree Ward is the true 168 champ. These belts are worth the gum on your shoe right now.Posted November 17, 2013 4:15 pm
I’ve never understood the calls for a rematch with Froch, usually to warrant a rematch a fight has to be close or controversial or a fighter not on his A game.
Froch. Triple G needs to build his name more against a couple of quality fighters. At the moment he’s looking impressive but hasn’t beaten anyone on a level with Kessler or Froch, or even Taylor or Abraham for that matter. Four or five fights down the line Ward v GGG could be a massive fight.Posted November 17, 2013 4:13 pm
See, now the GGG nuthuggers are making excuses. I thought GGG was the most feared man in boxing? I thought GGG was unbeatable? Now with Ward back on the scene, suddenly GGG moving up to 168 and fighting Ward doesn’t make sense, but it makes perfect sense for him to drop two weight divisions and fight Floyd Mayweather? I knew you guys were just sad bandwagon hoppers.Posted November 17, 2013 4:11 pm
Ward isnt scared to fight away from home. Show him the $$$$ and I believe he will fight anywhere. He has that kind of confidence. He is also THE ruler of 168, and should be able to call the shots.Posted November 17, 2013 4:08 pm
Yep: agreed. If Ward has no interest in travelling to the UK to fight Froch, he needs to be looking at Stevenson, Kovalev or Hopkins next. Perhaps he could fight Hopkins, while Kovalev and Stevenson fight to unify the division, then he could fight the winner (i.e. Kovalev)? Then we might actually see him in an interesting fight. As for Hopkins vs Ward, the very thought of it nearly puts me to sleep…Posted November 17, 2013 4:06 pm
Atlanta is in the US PEEJ. But very well, if Ward thinks like you, there’s no point in him fighting at 168 at all any more, so he needs to step up to 175 next. If so, I look forward to him fighting Kovalev in the near future. And if Kovalev has beaten Stevenson by then, he will be “the champ”, so I guess you’d like to see Ward fight Kovalev in Russia, right? Do you think he ever would? I think the answer to that is blindingly obvious…Posted November 17, 2013 4:02 pm
I would had not paid 5 dollars to watch that Ward fight, what a worthless win and what a worthless fight. Next fight for scary Ward would be;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ADONIS. STEP UP TO THE PLATE WARDPosted November 17, 2013 4:02 pm
And Froch had plenty of chances in their first meeting with an injured Ward to show his “warrior ” self…nah….content to be outmuscled and out classed easily.Posted November 17, 2013 3:54 pm
No Martin Froch is a titlest. Ward is the champion. Ward didn’t fight him at home, he fought him in Atlanta. Also Froch had more fans there than Ward did. There is no need for a unification fight because Ward is already the champ.Posted November 17, 2013 3:53 pm
>>>Being a man has nothing to do with it. He is the Champion. And you must come to him to challenge for it.
They’re both champions, actually: Ward is WBA champ, Froch IBF.Posted November 17, 2013 3:47 pm
Put it this way: Ward will get one hell of a lot more RESPECT if he travels to the UK to fight Froch. Since Froch fought Ward on his home turf, it’s also the honourable thing to do (which is why Kessler did it: perhaps Ward is not GENTLEMAN enough…). Also, don’t forget that Froch is current (IBF) world champion, so this would be a unification fight. The fight would sell much better in the UK too (you could easily fill a 50,000 seat arena here for this fight — way more than in the US). And if Ward is so confident (he beat Froch with one hand last time , no?), why wouldn’t he?Posted November 17, 2013 3:46 pm
Being a man has nothing to do with it. He is the Champion. And you must come to him to challenge for it. Oh and I guess fighting Froch with a broken hand and beating him rather easily is also not man enough.Posted November 17, 2013 3:36 pm
Ward v Froch could only happen in the usa.Ward will never leave the US not man enough.Posted November 17, 2013 3:33 pm
Having said that about the LH top ten, I imagine Stevenson will fight Kovalev, but I have no doubt he’ll get KO’d. As for Hopkins, he will DEFINITELY avoid him. What a shame there are so few fighters around who could pose a serious challenge to either Ward or Kovalev… which is why they’ll ultimately have to fight each other (and let’s hope that Ward is not TOO MUCH like Mayweather, or he’ll just keep coming up with excuses to get out of it).Posted November 17, 2013 3:28 pm
Ward vs Mayweather @ 157!!!Posted November 17, 2013 3:28 pm
I agree that GGG still has plenty business at 160, and has no chance against Ward at 168 (certainly not yet, at least). Ward should fight Froch in the UK, like Kessler did, but I seriously doubt that he will (as talented as he unquestionably is, he seems to be afraid of stepping outside his comfort zone.). Ultimately I think Ward will have to fight Kovalev, and that’s easily the best match-up that could be made. Kovalev is far more skilled than people give him credit for (he’s by no means just a “slugger”), and there’s no doubt in my mind that it would be seriously competitive. It’s just a shame that Kovalev hasn’t been able to get many rounds in yet (i.e. because all his opponents get KO’d in the first few rounds), and that everybody is ducking him (which is why, despite being WBO champion, he’s soon to fight a nobody). Will any of the top ten light heavyweights take on Kovalev? Unfortunately, I doubt it, but it would be good to see him in there with some more durable competition before he fights Ward.Posted November 17, 2013 3:22 pm
LOOKS LIKE DAVID HAYE vs TYSON Fury is off for good. HAYE is injured again and is contemplating retirement.Posted November 17, 2013 3:09 pm
A fight between Ward and Kovalev is going to be competitive. Kovalev’s got a really good chance of stopping Ward, if he ever catches him clean which’s a long shot. I see him getting frustrated and eventually losing the fight via close decision.Posted November 17, 2013 3:00 pm
MNboxingFAN – Sean
Rematch with Froch would make more sense. GGG is amazing, but still hasn’t got the fan base that Froch has. Ward should handle Froch again. Assuming GGG has one more great performance against someone good… then the two should meet up next year for a mega fight. Sadly though Ward and GGG still aren’t PPV draws… so the fight had better not be PPV.Posted November 17, 2013 2:57 pm
Wards not worried about Kovalev, just ANOTHER of these heavy handed European style fighters that’s not gonna fair well against a superior boxer… Ward cannot be penalized for REALLY cleaning out his weight class and now looking for the Paydays his talents have earned him… It’s funny there is NO onus on these challengers to really make a dent in their weight class… Stevenson is the LHW Champ, and he got there beating Dawson after Ward first dented his chin… Ward is rapidly becoming a clone of FMJ to his detractors, a guy that his detractors are gonna withhold credit from no matter what he accomplishes PRAYING for a loss…Posted November 17, 2013 2:34 pm
blue eye devil
Ward has cleaned out the division. There is nothing there for him but a big money fight in England against Froch. He should do that and move up to light heavy and go after the titles there.Posted November 17, 2013 2:34 pm
Ward would be to much for GG …It would end up being head butt & elbow central …….. a move up to face Kovalev would be a much more interesting match up thats for sure ..168 Apart from Adonis who Ward would also pick apart there are no names left in that Division ……Posted November 17, 2013 2:33 pm
Neither. Go to 175 and see if he can clean it out. There’s still some belts at 160 for GGG to take. Ward cleaned out 168 already it’s a wasteland. Wonder if Kovalev wasn’t around if Ward would’ve already gone north.Posted November 17, 2013 2:26 pm
do any of these YANKS make weight or pass a fu#king drug test.Posted November 17, 2013 2:26 pm
@Anonymous- You make a lot of sense unlike the other Racist, not knowing nothing about Boxing Anonymous. Do us all a favor and put a 1 after your name so we can read your posts and not waste our time with his limitless squabble.Posted November 17, 2013 2:21 pm
Ward gotta move up, which is a proposition I’m not sure he really wants. He needs to move up.Posted November 17, 2013 2:19 pm
is it true Warddke is on peds? he worked with VIctor Conte so i wont be surprised…and how come he has no passport?Posted November 17, 2013 2:18 pm
GGG not yet. Froch, sure I’d watch. Froch can get boxing lessons again.Posted November 17, 2013 2:16 pm
Agreed, no reason for GGG to try and fight Ward. He definitely needs to clean out 160 which I believe he can do. But 168 is a whole nother story. I favor Froch over GGG at this time.Posted November 17, 2013 2:16 pm
Ward would take out both Froch and GGG with ease,GGG isn’t a real option yet he’s started to believe is own hype he thinks he can beat all comers from 154-200lb with out beating any body yet,Ward should come to England next and hand the ever increasingly big headed over rated dull braggart Carl Froch another beating,ward needs to shake the home town champ image and that would be a good start,big arena,PPV (his first i think) and another strap.Posted November 17, 2013 2:15 pm
RAY GORDEN REID
KovalevPosted November 17, 2013 2:11 pm
adonis stevensonPosted November 17, 2013 2:07 pm
GGG might not get past the next tier of MW let alone the TOP of the food chain at 168 and scone in the sport… As for saying “he never fought there” well no boxer moves up a division until he does… He is the guy that his fans claim everyone from 168 to 154 is ducking… If he’s REALLY this beast then why not consider a trip North is possible? He wants Mayweather who began at 130 and won at 154 weighing 150 fight night vs a prime boxer he spotted 15 pounds… Why all this consideration for “this manufactured boogeyman” GGGs a tough, hard puncher but like Ward said “there are holes in his game” that many weak foes were not poised to exploit… Last nights performance by Ward is not gonna inspire Golovkins people to set up that match they would be fools..Posted November 17, 2013 2:04 pm
Either guy is an EASY night for Ward who is in his prime at this point… He holds a HUGE technical and mental advantage over Froch who he handled easily earlier in his career… GGG has been pretty much cake walking being fed deficient C level fighters and guys coming up from 154 at 168 he’s not gonna be the toughest guy that Ward faced, he’s not gonna get his customary KO so where does he go with those relatively slow hands? What happens is that he gets taken apart, frustrated and beaten up with ease… “wowing”
Warddke has no passportPosted November 17, 2013 1:53 pm
Murray, Martinez, Quillen, Barker is who GGG should face in his next four fights, not necessarily in that order. We know the Murray bout is happening.Posted November 17, 2013 1:47 pm
GGG is not a super middleweight. He has never fought at that weight. He still has business to take care of in the middleweight division as he has not fought the best there. When he cleans up that division–if he can–then he should consider moving up to face Ward. GGG hasn’t even proved he’s the best at middleweight. Why move up to take on the undisputed best in another division at this time?Posted November 17, 2013 1:44 pm
Ward needs to get into 24/7 and fight fighters like Bernard, Roy Jones, and other known old fighters to get better ratings.Posted November 17, 2013 1:44 pm
Ward vs GGG makes no sense financially or timely. The fight should happend in the next two or more years. Ward is the best right now, but unknown to most people. GGG is one if the best but has limited fan base. HBO needs to hype both of these fighters.Posted November 17, 2013 1:39 pm
GGG needs to fight middleweights Not 154lbers(past 2 fights). Ward would school GGG.! Ward already gave it to Froch.Posted November 17, 2013 1:39 pm