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Don Quixote

Martínez was down twice as Jr. pushed him twice. The first push was due to Jr’s punches which affected Martínez as the latter attempted to hold but was pushed and ruled, correctly as a knock down. The second time Jr. simply pushed him down…

Posted September 26, 2012 12:52 pm 


Don Quixote

This implies that you like guys who hold and hit and hit and hold, Ala
Bernard Hopkins….

Posted September 26, 2012 12:43 pm 


Don Quixote

Work on your reading comprehension, once you get it, you’ll be a different person, guaranteed.

Posted September 26, 2012 12:38 pm 


Don Quixote

The writer is talking about his athletic abilities in the sport. Wise up and work on your reading comprehension, if you know what THAT means….

Posted September 26, 2012 12:33 pm 


Ike

I really hope that Martinez fights Mayweather, Triple G, or Geale next. He won 11 1/2 rounds versus Chavez Jr. There is absolutely no need for an immediate rematch.

Posted September 25, 2012 8:02 pm 


IRON MIKE

SAL O if you look back at the fight it was Chavez who started with the faces,I hope Chavez learned from this lesson,the kid is tough and has power what he needs to do is take this gift he has serious. peace

Posted September 25, 2012 7:54 pm 


lefhook

Fck all the drugs bull, on the fight i thought chevez woulld have got to Martinez much sooner, i really fancied him to knock him out. I think he will in a remach. He just needs to rush him n make it really ugly. I says it before the fight and i say it now, jnr has the game to stop Martinez

Posted September 25, 2012 5:38 pm 


te tumbo

(lol) take a good long look people. THIS is the prototypical, truly clueless, but dedicated Junior-Hater (lol).

Posted September 25, 2012 4:50 pm 


Hank

“Chavez is limited, but he’s exceptionally tough, punches hard, and always comes to fight.”
Very good point. He deserves credit for those attributes.

However, if I could play devils advocate, I wonder how succesful JR would be if he didn’t enter every ring with a minimum of 10lbs over his opponent. In some cases, 20lbs.

Also, I wonder how many other really good fighters came and went without a hint of success because they never had the money or means to properly train.
There are thousands of stories of very talented fighters who never got a real chance because they were working 2 jobs while trying to train – and in subpar conditions.

There have been thousands of fighters who started and retired in the timeframe as JR’s career that were never given the tools to succeed.

I think JR is a product of great genes and wealth. Without that legendary chin, does he only have 1 defeat?

Again, I think JR deserves some credit, but I do believe he’s an overhyped, spoon-fed, oversized middleweight that has peaked.
If he dares move up to 168 or heaven-forbid 175, he’ll get his lights knocked out against equally sized and skilled opponents.

Posted September 25, 2012 2:00 pm 


Halloween

BOOO ! Chavez jr is so beaten up he looks like he is wearing a Halloween mask !

Posted September 25, 2012 12:57 pm 


The Officer

Usually, children from poor families become more successful in life than children from famous and rich families because they got spoiled too much at a young age.

Posted September 25, 2012 11:35 am 


The Officer

Writer, Why didn’t you talk about how Floyd beat his ex-wife, security guards, people at the bar, people on the street, and his prison, etc? Is he a good role model to your kids?

Posted September 25, 2012 11:31 am 


Its Me, Ernie

Sorta like your posts, Le Dumbo…

Posted September 25, 2012 11:14 am 


te tumbo

never mind sniffing your own ass “smell”. your entire body reeks of Pacquiao’s* ass-crack aka Pacmania HQ.

Posted September 25, 2012 10:59 am 


te tumbo

ChiGal, since you never have any relevant points to make, i think it’s time that you quit your Pactarded posting and give us all a break. after all, NObody pays any attention to anything you post other than to ridicule it. time to hop back on the short bus and get lost.

Posted September 25, 2012 10:56 am 


te tumbo

never mind what was “officially” called. Martinez was out on his feet and grasped for Junior as he stumbled forward. at which point, Junior shrugged him off and down Martinez went. unless you’re going to claim that you saw the momentum of Martinez’s punches or movement compel him to hit the canvas, Wtf else could it be other than the effects of Junior’s punches? enough of the silly kid headgames and stick to Boxing.

Posted September 25, 2012 10:48 am 


te tumbo

never mind what was “officially” called. Martinez was out on his feet and grasped for Junior as he stumbled forward. at which point, Junior shrugged him off and down Martinez went. unless you’re going to claim that it was the momentum of Martinez’s punches or movement that compelled him to hit the canvas, Wtf else could it be other than the effects of Junior’s punches? stop playing silly kid headgames and stick to Boxing.

Posted September 25, 2012 10:45 am 


Hidalgo

I didn’t see Martinez hit the canvas twice. There was only one knockdown called and Martinez went down as a result of a push not a punch.

Posted September 25, 2012 10:38 am 


Webster

What does Mayweather have to do with Chavez? Is it an ESB rule that little Floyd has to get a mention in every article?

Posted September 25, 2012 10:12 am 


Chicago guy

Happyboy,
My ass smell sweet than yours. Yours is so stink

Posted September 25, 2012 9:24 am 


Chicago guy

Bill,
If that’s your point i think it is better for Jr. to quit boxing if he can’t discipline himself, simple as that.

Posted September 25, 2012 9:21 am 


zurdo40

But … Wilfredo Vazquez Jr is not the son of a boxing star, plain and squere. Floyd Jr. is not the son of a boxing star. Could you names sons of boxing stars? do you think Wilfredo Vazquez or Floyd Sr. were boxing stars?

Posted September 25, 2012 9:01 am 


WTF???

Stop making excuses for Chavez Chicken Jr. he is a spoiled brat born with a silver spoon in his mouth believing that just because his last name is Chavez he is going to be a great Champion regardless of how little he actually puts into training… He’s never worked a day in his life and probably never even graduated from High School.. because he has always been given breaks and Freebies, like that Belt they stole from Martinez.. Just take a look at Wilfredo Vasquez Jr. total opposits.. WV2 never relied on his dad for any breaks.. working hard and not looking for anything easy.. it wasn’t until he got laid off during these bad times that he decided to get into Boxing and unlike Chavez Jr., WV2 has shown natural True Boxing Skills… He was tossed in there with some of the best unlike the String of Tomato Cans that were given to Chavez Jr… until he ran into Sergio Martinez who exposed the Cheater as a fraud… :grin:

Posted September 25, 2012 7:22 am 


Chicago guy

Not father like son or son not like father. Simple as that. Old Chavez belong to old generation. Jr. belong to new generation so they are different.

Posted September 25, 2012 4:55 am 


BG Boxing

Mr. Camacho, your article is pure trash. Is it Jr. fault his father was wealthy and one of the greatest fighter of all time? You make it seem as though this man had a choice, what he did have a choice in was to walk into his fathers shadow and into the ring. He was punished for 11 rounds and still had the heart to knock Martinez down in the 12th round. As for your advise for Chavez acting more like Mayweather?? are you kidding?? Do you want him to beat woman and go to jail? Maybe ESB should drug tests its writers. “is a really joke”

Posted September 25, 2012 3:03 am 


Rusty B

I mean Martinez “didn’t” get the breaks

Posted September 25, 2012 2:17 am 


Rusty B

Maybe Martinez did get the breaks because he does not have a fan friendly style. Chavez Jr. fights are almost always entertaining. Yes, he had help, but people want to see fireworks, Chavez brings it.

Posted September 25, 2012 2:16 am 


reno

I cant believe people are making excuses and even approving of any drug use.

Posted September 25, 2012 1:46 am 


SAL.O

SO YOU THINK SERGIO MARTINEZ IS A CLASSY GUY ,,,WELL THAT JUST SHOWS HOW A LOT OF PEOPLE DONT KNOW WHAT BEING A GENTLEMEN IS ,,LOOK AT THE WAY SERGIO MADE FUN OF A FIGHTERS DAMAGE FACE AND HIS TONGUE STICKY OUT DURING THE FIGHT DOESNT ANY BODY REMEMBER MANNY PACQUIAO HOW HE CONDUCTED HIMSELF WHEN HE HAD MARGARITOS FACE DESTROY ,,WELL HE MANNY SHOW TRUE CLASS,,,,FIGHTERS DONT MAKE FUN OF ANOTHER FIGHTER BEING PUNISH AND SWOLLEN FACE …

Posted September 25, 2012 1:44 am 


te tumbo

BFAN has got the beat!

Posted September 25, 2012 12:23 am 


te tumbo

TITOPA, if you could only read what a self-righteous prude you sound like with your condemnation of Junior. not to mention the ridiculous contortions you must resort to in order to make a 20-something who got caught drinking and driving and smoking pot seem like a menace to society and the entire sport of Boxing. Newsflash: he wasn’t caught juicing or illegally wrapping his hands or skipping the post-fight testing, which is what all you Junior-Haters were desperate to condemn him for before this bout. what’s left is your average 20-something with or without privilege who isn’t partying as hard as Duran, Leonard, Camacho, or Tyson. you really need to get a grip.

Posted September 25, 2012 12:09 am 


bfan

actually testing boxers for pot use shows no respect for humans. What’s next no coffee, tea, sugar, beer. Chavez did better than many of the so called world class fighters against martinez. Maybe Chavez needs to train harder. Let’s see how he comes out next time. Lest not forget his opponent was nearly knocked out and has suffered 2 major injuries and after the fight showed respect to Chavez.

Posted September 25, 2012 12:03 am 


Realtalk

I agree

Posted September 24, 2012 9:33 pm 


Kid Blast

te tumbo has the beat

Posted September 24, 2012 9:09 pm 


Kid Blast

Solid post

Posted September 24, 2012 9:08 pm 


Dave

Believe it or not I think Sal O. hit the nail on the head. Chavez sells tickets and SELLING SEATS is the number goal of promoters and networks NOT WHO FIGHTS best. Does that suck? Of course it does but, it’s our jobs as fans to only watch the best fights. Now the problem is some people just root for certain people, regardless if those fighters are the best or not, and there’s acually nothing wrong with that either (I’m a Chicago Cubs Fan and they never win:) People have the right to root and pay to see a fighter that’s clearly not as good as others. Now we didn’t know for sure until they fought, so in a way, this fight did the justice that was needed. Mr. Martinez (I address him as Mr. because he earned it) Came in and not only served justice to his own robbery, he exposed to the world what a shame Chavez Jnr was compared to the comps he got in life. So just as in life, there are people who start with much more than others, there are also what I call “Men of the people” who come in and say “I don’t care how much you’ve been given, You’ll never be as good as my because my gifts were given by God, not Daddy, or uncle Jose) Thank you Sergio Martinez for serving justice in more ways than one.

Posted September 24, 2012 9:08 pm 


Kid Blast

Think matadore

Posted September 24, 2012 9:07 pm 


Dave

You just said “Be objective and not selective” And then you said Chavez Jnr was a punk. ? Was that Objective? Or selective? I agree with you btw on the determination factor.

Posted September 24, 2012 8:58 pm 


The Real American Oak

Chavez is a cheat and a punk as well as a disgrace to the sport. Period.

Posted September 24, 2012 8:33 pm 


The Real American Oak

old guy, determination makes 90% of a fighter. Jr. is indeed a joke.Sergio burnt 12000 calories by fighting a cruiser. he was tired. 900 punches thrown landing better than 30% mostly with a broken hand. Jr is indeed a cheat. Be objective not subjective. He is a punk and if he were my kid he would get straightened out in the sport or get out of it. You sir know nothing about fighting.

Posted September 24, 2012 8:32 pm 


Titopa

How is the writer “talking smack”? He’s just telling the truth. Yes every parent would do whatever they can for their children, which is why Chavez Jr. has what he has and is where he is, because of his parents (legendary father). The write is merely pointing out that without his parents’ financial help, he wouldn’t be where he is. Every parent would do that, but Chavez doesn’t seem to be appreciative (in a way), he’s young and “having fun”, but he’s been burdened with a ‘name’ that he must protect and he has big shoes to fill. He’s expressed it many times that he’s the “new Cesar Chavez”, and he certainly is, but how well has he done for “himself”? Not very well. He’s failed tests (twice, both in Vegas), skipped post fight urine tests and got busted for a DUI. The spotlight is on him, he needs to realize that and get it together, not everyone is born into a privileged life style.

Posted September 24, 2012 7:53 pm 


DonCorleone

Martinez would knock him out in a rematch

Posted September 24, 2012 7:45 pm 


DonCorleone

No one is talking smack on Chavez Jr. We are just pointing out the obvious. Those of you who are fans of Chavez Jr. should feel even worse about his attitude toward the sport and prey that he learns from his mistakes.

Posted September 24, 2012 7:43 pm 


old guy

Also I admit I am biased against Martinez the fighter- he’s a swell guy outside of the ring but i cannot stand that “arms down” style, in the same way I cannot watch Vitali Klitchko’s fights……I guess it works for those two but I hate watching it.

Posted September 24, 2012 7:42 pm 


old guy

I’m sure I see Jr. differently from most folks. Probably because I am the “old guy” and am looking at him from a perspective from farther down the road. I see a young, immature kid with lots of potential and little maturity, who wants to prove himself for his father and maybe redeem his father’s name (seems like Sr. wasn’t the best dad in retirement). Kind of a goofball which insults the purists. I watched the replay of the fight with Martinez and I don’t think he was as demolished as everyone says, he had a real chance to take Martinez out in the 12th and only Martinez’ determination made him keep going, most would have been KO’ed by Jr. with those shots. I think that if he breaks with papa and becomes his own man, with a new team, and gets serious about being accountable to himself, look out, this guy can bang.
In the fight he got away from the style that suits him best, that is pressure, crowd, bang, pressure, crowd, bang…….he seemed to hold back and try to box when he should have slid in and tagged…….alot of you will say that is because Martinez is too mobile, but I still think Jr. passed up alot of chances during the fight. If he almost destroyed Martinez when he went to what works best, imagine if he trains right and has the right corner, and lets go of all the extracurricular BS on the side- the guy could be a big name at 168

Posted September 24, 2012 7:38 pm 


Kid Blast

yep

Posted September 24, 2012 7:37 pm 


DonCorleone

I am baffled in the way Chavez Jr. Conducted himself for a fight of this magnitude. Martinez created a blueprint on how to beat Chavez Jr. I am very interested to see Chavez Jr. Fight in the future because I feel he will get beaten by fighters like Macklin. His stated that he will be staying at 160 which is not the smartest move. At 175 I see him being stronger however, if he is not training at a high level learning how to move it will not matter.

Posted September 24, 2012 7:35 pm 


Trevor

Chavez Jr. should be humble and thankful for the opportunity of being born blessed,instead he`s singing : I was gonna clean Sergio`s clock until I got high, I was gonna sweep every round but then I got high, my eye is still bruised and messed up and I know why , cause I got high,( why man ? ) yea,hey, cause I got high (la da da da da da da da da ) I cheated and I shouldn`t have but I got high, now their taking my check and weed money and I know why, ( why man ? ) yea, hey, cause I got high ( La da da da da da da da da )

Posted September 24, 2012 7:20 pm 


chitownfightfan

So now he’s been using PEDs? Ever heard of defamation?

And how bout Roid Mayflowers DHale connection? Their history? I wonder, does the author know who D HALE is? I wonder if he knows about CIR testing and USADA’s allowance of 6-1 TIE?

I wonder if he knows that ROID and DHALE have the perfect system for maintaining ROIDS 5.9-1 TIE, and that is his reason for losing 15lbs in the clink for a couple months. I wonder if he knows that DHALE was not allowed to bring ROID his dope in the joint? I wonder if he knows that ROID is the biggest dope cheat in boxings history and ROID is making a FOOL outta him for using him as an example while defaming a guy as a PED user for using a diuretic which only makes a guy piss more. Hell, he coulda used some Midol and gotten the same benefit.

Posted September 24, 2012 7:10 pm 


the chad

Here we go again with another bum writer talking smack on Chavez

Posted September 24, 2012 6:49 pm 


SAL.O

PLEASE WRITER OF THIS ARTICLE,,THE REASON CHAVEZ GETS ALL THE ATTENTION FROM TOP PROMOTERS AND HBO,,, IS BECAUSE HE SELLS TICKETS TO HIS FIGHTS,, ANOTHER WORDS HE DRAWS THE CROWD ,,WHETHER HE IS GOOD OR NOT ITS NOT HIS FAULT THAT PEOPLE PAY TO SEE HIM ,,,HBO LOVES HIM

Posted September 24, 2012 6:45 pm 


Clown face

That is fine and we all agree that it’s not his fault his dad is a legend. What is his fault is that the guy has a additude like he is entitled to all the perks and seems pissed that he was beat. I thought the beating he took would straighten him out but he is still stubborn and spoiled, they do call it spoiled for a reason. He thinks he is better and he is not,not by a long shot. Soon enough he’ll go to a higher weight and fight someone his size and get laid out, then maybe he’ll change. What’s funny is Jose Suliman bet money on Chavez and lost sucker! Emotional betters never go far and why would you put money on a lazy boy who don’t train. SUCKER SULIMAN !!!! WEAK SUCK, BUM!!!

Posted September 24, 2012 6:41 pm 


1-2

I don’t have any resentment for Jr. Except for the fact I bought PPVS and he was on the undercard fighting D level comp in place of deserved fighters who earned that spot. Like Te Tumbo said we can’t chose our family, and for him there definitely is drawbacks for the profession hes in. Like probably never being good enough to pass his father which is what most parents want their kids to do. I think Jrs a decent fighter and a little spoiled like you stated and overall that will hurt him unlike Floyd Jr who did live in poverty or close to it and again like you stated his training habits prove that unlike his personality.

Posted September 24, 2012 6:40 pm 


SAL.O

WHY IN THE HELL WOULD CHAVEZ JR TAKE ANY POINTERS FROM MAYWEATHER,,,,HAS THIS WRITER GONE OF HIS ROCKER OR WHAT ,,,CHAVEZ JR. IS NOT A WOMAN BEATER OR DISRESPECTFUL PUNK LIKE MAYWEATHER ,,MAYWEATHER PURPOSELY CAME IN OVERWEIGHT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF MARQUEZ ,,THIS GOOFY WRITER BETTER PICK SOME ONE ELSE TO BE A ROLE MODEL ..

Posted September 24, 2012 6:37 pm 


te tumbo

just look at that cover pix. there was nothing that Chavez or Sulaiman could do to prevent that. it is one-on-one in a boxing ring and that kind of determination can’t be bought.

Posted September 24, 2012 6:21 pm 


te tumbo

Btw, boxing was NOT the profession his father wanted him to pursue and i can still recall his initial opposition if not resentment of Junior’s insistence otherwise. after which and as Anonymous points out, what’s a parent to do other than the best they can for their kid? it’s a primal instinct that supercedes objective standards or analysis.

Posted September 24, 2012 6:18 pm 


te tumbo

that what i’m saying. i can recall several years back when we had to deal wtih a co-worker who we felt was getting promoted preferentially based on family connections. on principle i didn’t like it but what finally made it acceptable was that they were putting in the hours and the work and were ambitious. at which point, i asked those co-workers who were still resentful, “which one of you would decline a raise and promotion?” Jr. didn’t choose his parents and it’s one-on-one in a boxing ring. after 40+ pro fights, Junior’s ability may be questioned but not his desire and willingness to thump, lump, bump, and bleed along with his less-privileged opponents.

Posted September 24, 2012 6:15 pm 


Anonymous

Yes it may have been given to him ,, but wouldn’t you do the same for your son or daughter given the opportunity ?
I know I would & I believe all parents would do the same

Posted September 24, 2012 5:46 pm 


Titopa

Couldn’t agree more!

Posted September 24, 2012 5:14 pm 


Kid Blast

Still doing the Esq., eh? :twisted: :twisted: :evil: :twisted: :twisted:

Posted September 24, 2012 4:35 pm 


TyrantT316

Not to mention his two fight amateur career which I think resulted in his inflated record.

Posted September 24, 2012 4:02 pm 


TyrantT316

I never thought about it that way…

Chavez Jr, because of his name and father’s history and money….was pretty much given his resources (trainer, facilities, promoter, PPV dates, protection, etc) on a silver platter…

Posted September 24, 2012 4:01 pm 



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