I think the Eubank Collins beat was a shadow of the one prior to the Watson fight. After he nearly killed him in the ring he lacked the killer instinct. Without this incident I think eubank would have finished off Collins after the heavy knock down. Plus he had many more wars in the ring that even at his relatively young age he was a bit shopwornPosted November 23, 2013 10:36 am
left hook,bang on my son. how many over the last 20 years enter the ring CLEAN.Posted November 23, 2013 10:01 am
for the writer matt , excellent article it motivates every boxing fan about what really happens to fighters physically , mentally & spirutually before & after ,keep up the good work cheers bro.Posted November 23, 2013 9:56 am
you may also want to add Joe Mesi vs. Davarrel Williamson to your list? September 27th 2003 Buffalo N.Y. if anyone goes back and watches that fight again you will see how intimidated Williamson looked when he entered the ring and heard all of the loud boos coming from Mesi’s home town fans. Williamson looked like a Christian about to be fed to the lions or something like that.Posted November 23, 2013 9:28 am
Hi, this is Matt, the author of the article.
Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for all the positive feedback – it is genuinely appreciated. As @Straight Right commented already, it’s very refreshing to have such thoughtful discussion about boxing, and one of the things that makes this a great site.
As a number of people have said, there were so many other examples that could have been included in the list, but unfortunately I had to leave them out due to concerns about the length of the article. Ali v Liston & Foreman; Leonard v Duran 1 & 2, and most of Golota’s career would have been worthy of inclusion. Maybe they are topics for another day.
Thanks again for the kind feedback. Hopefully I’ll have more material posted on the site soon. If you are interested, you can also follow more of my work on my blog, boxingphilosophy.com.
MattPosted November 23, 2013 2:04 am
Just want to say great read and good posts by everyone. This is why I like this site.Posted November 22, 2013 9:28 pm
CheckLeftHook, I agree with you 100%…. There are none as blind as those that can’t see, or in boxing fan’s case as those who refuse to look!Posted November 22, 2013 7:49 pm
a good read this. I could read articles like this all nightPosted November 22, 2013 6:53 pm
Brazilian Boxing Fan toChecklefthook
Leonard acknowledged it in his book. THE BIG FIGHT: MY LIFE IN AND OUT OF THE RING.Posted November 22, 2013 6:11 pm
@ TJ – the professional fight game is institutionally diseased. It’s not going away as long as it can feed off us, its life force. Is there a boxing fan alive who doesn’t believe Sonny Liston took a dive? Mike Tyson coke-raged his way through the late ’80s and early ’90s heavyweight division. Like professional cycling, everyone and everything in the pro boxing world has a question mark over its integrity. Judging is still, clearly, a farcical proposition. Drug testing is a joke. We’re such suckers we accepted the creation of divisional Super Champions. Pro boxing can’t take our money fast enough.
@ Box 31 – I don’t know about Duran suckering Leonard in the June ’80 fight. If Leonard ever acknowledged it, I never read it anywhere. Leonard did admit to setting Duran up for their Novermber ’80 fight. He said he waited until Duran was fat and well out of shape in celebration of his June victory, before making the November rematch. Leonard said he knew Duran had no hope of getting fight fit by then. And he was 100%, ‘No Mas’, right.Posted November 22, 2013 4:18 pm
Brazilian Boxing Fan
Great article! Congartulations, Mr. O´Brien.Posted November 22, 2013 3:50 pm
CHECKLEFTHOOK, MIKE TYSON was allegedly quoted in a newspaper saying he used a fake p_nis to provide urine samples at many of his fights as he was juiced out of his brains…
If I remember rightly he mentioned the DANNY WILLIAMS fight as one of them!!!!!
If this is true it proves how easy it is to fool the so called commissions and we need to do more to ensure the safety of all fighters before our sport is whipped away from us!Posted November 22, 2013 3:41 pm
WOW!!!!! THIS is the standard that all ESB articles should strive to take. Fantastic piece of journalism, taking no sides and not skewing the piece and listing the sources for the quotes.
I for one am impressed. SRL looked for an angle on every major fight he fought and I remember reading he was very good at reading body language and would set his marks up well before the fight, from as early as the press conferences to announce his bouts. He was so premeditated that he planned to do a backwards flip on defeating AYUB KALULE, but it nearly went wrong and would have left him embarrassed at best or injured at worst for his own stupidity!!!!
SRL’s image as a MISTER NICE GUY was all a facade and the public fell for it!!!
IMHO STEVE COLLINS never got his fair due as both MW and SMW champion…. I believe he would have emerged victorious in a round Robin between all the Brit SMW of his time and generation….He learned a lot during his time with the late PETRONELLI Brothers in the US and came back to BLIGHTY and kicked b*tt after b*tt….This guy was as tough as nails, but I seriously hope he stays retired…. I love the fact he spoked CHRIS EUBANK, but Chris said the reason he lost to STEVE is because Steve asked him what was he doing for his people….
Chris could not answer the question and this played on his mind as he couldn’t get this out of his head….CHRIS told this on a special interview with RINGSIDE about 8 months or so ago!!!!Posted November 22, 2013 3:36 pm
I would add Duran vs Leonard 1 in to that. Duran suckered him into his fight with his antics in the build up. Good article though.Posted November 22, 2013 3:29 pm
Good article, perhaps Mr. Slater could read this and start to write some intresting pieces instead of tellin us what we already know/knew,and stop boring us to death,Slater and Michael Collins are the worst 2 journos on this site.Posted November 22, 2013 2:38 pm
“Some of the biggest contests in boxing history have therefore been won or lost through” ……. lets cut to the chase here and tell it like it is. Mike Tyson’s recent revelations tell us boxing and the money surrounding it is, and always has been, in the grip of performance enhancing drugs. And the extent it’s been that way makes Lance Armstrong’s tainting of his sport look like school yard pranking by comparison.Posted November 22, 2013 1:46 pm
E in Denver
Ali had many but I would add Ali vs. Foreman. Tyson vs. Spinks. Golota vs Golota & who ever else was in the ring with him.Posted November 22, 2013 1:08 pm