I don’t… Ward said he was before the fight. Didn’t turn out that way. Boxing is a struggle. If you’re 24-0 you probably had a tough fight.Posted November 27, 2013 10:54 pm
Mick the Marmalizer
James Defail’s keeping very quiet!Posted November 26, 2013 4:34 am
Rodriquez was 24-0 and had been looking good… Ward said he was looking at potentially his best opponent yet… It didn’t turn out that way. Rodriguez fought with his head up his ass. But Ward showed a new level of ability too. Ward is still getting better.
I just want to see him fight Kovalev. That’s a great fight. Groves stinks.Posted November 26, 2013 3:48 am
Groves is not ready for Ward… He even admitted during the build up that he wasn’t ready for Ward yet. He has 20 fights and doesn’t have the amateur background that Ward has … If Froch can make his face look like that in a little over 8 rounds, what will Ward do? Ward would kill him.
I want to see Ward vs Kovalev at some point.Posted November 26, 2013 1:21 am
The commentary seemed to be a sales pitch for Groves. I’ve never heard such bias and lack of description. It was a far closer fight than they’d have us believe and the ending was fairly typical of this kind of fight – it took 25 seconds from the first indication that Groves was hurt.
Head injuries don’t only manifest themselves in glazed eyes and slurred speech.Posted November 25, 2013 1:36 pm
I think thats the point, the ref stopped it because he though he knew what was about to happen without it actually happening, Groves was not done and could and was fighting back, he was still throwing, even though Froch was not going to stop or slow the attack down, groves still could have stopped the attack. How Froch got up from that knockdown and got back into the dight I will never know, we are talking about a seriously tough man, and equally so with Groves, a very determined effort and he will win a world title without a doubt. It was a fantastic fight.Posted November 25, 2013 1:33 pm
Just look at the face of Groves. He was battered.Posted November 25, 2013 1:32 pm
Worst stoppage I’ve ever seen. There are about two of Froch’s arm punches that land flush and the referee uses it as the perfect opportunity to gift it to Carl. Disgusting.Posted November 25, 2013 12:58 pm
heavyweight truth. very simple back than they were harder men.Posted November 25, 2013 10:36 am
John – it makes you wonder how the advances in training methods and nutritional science result in fighter gassing after 7 rounds…where the fight wasn’t particularly brutal…but then again Froch was landing good bodyshots throughout,which the commentary team at Sky clearly didn’t see or ignored…..I find it amazing that back in the day,not only did fighters have to be ready to last 15 rounds,but they often fought more frequently than today’s fighters.Today,one or two fights per year is the norm,or once every other year if you’re David Haye….I think froch must train for a 15 rounder,as he always looks better in round 12 than round one…lol…Posted November 25, 2013 9:58 am
Steve – agreedPosted November 25, 2013 9:51 am
if you”re runing out of gas after 9 rounds, its a good job these guys were not about when we had real 15 round fights.Posted November 25, 2013 9:50 am
Why did the wrong man win? Groves was spent and going to be knocked out. He was gassed coming into the 7th…..
All the ref did was prevent the inevitable, Groves being knocked out and hurt badly.Posted November 25, 2013 9:40 am
Just watching the fight again has made me think that the person who should never work again is Jim Watt.His commentary was so unbelievably biased.All those hard body shots Froch landed on groves were conveniently ignored by Watt and the other muppets commentating for Sky…also,it seems that a lot of people have missed the fact that the ref already saved groves earlier when Groves hit froch on the back of the head,anf Froch started smashing groves up on the ropes,only for the ref to step in and split them up…and all jim watt could say is that FROCH should be deducted a point….Sky needs a new team of commentaters…preferably ones without impaired vision….Posted November 25, 2013 9:33 am
Can’t see there being a rematch froch will do what he dose with ward,talks about a rematch but doesn’t really want one.so the usual I’m top dog he needs me I don’t need him bring me another over the hill or hype job to beat Eddie.Posted November 25, 2013 9:10 am
FROCH is the one that was robbed – of a clean knockout of Groves.All this crap blaming the ref is blown out of all proportion…it’s not the ref’s job to win you the fight,it’s your’s.Groves had the youth,speed,skill,mobility,refex and ring IQ advantage over Froch,yet it wasn’t enough o get the job done.If anyone seriously believes Groves head would have cleared in a few seconds and that Froch would not have rendered Groves unconscious is deluding themselves.The ref had clear sight of Groves eyes and his ability to defend himself,which was GONE.The ref’s job put’s the priority of the fighters health over giving him another chance to win,although I sympathise with Groves being given a count to see if he could recover.Groves put in a fantastic display of skill and heart,but he lost.Stop whining and look forward to a rematch.Posted November 25, 2013 8:57 am
If the fight would of been close and every round evenly contested up until that point the crowd would not have reacted like they did, its only because Groves was winning the fight, but i think Froch was closing the gap from round 6 onwards, if the ref would not of jumped in Groves would of been knocked clean out.Posted November 25, 2013 8:27 am
MJAMES. Good post m8, theres always another day now for Groves. I think he might look back at it himself and agree, because fighter know themselvesPosted November 25, 2013 8:11 am
Loved this fight, the stoppage should not over-shadow the fact that this was one of the best all-British fight of all time. The referee robbed Froch of getting a sensational come-from-behind KO. Everyone is saying the early stoppage was terrible for Groves, but the truth is Carl was getting on top and was in the process of finishing George in brutal fashion. But … we will never know if George could have summoned the strength to survive and win. Terrible stoppage, really. Bad for both boxers. Groves proved he is world class and there MUST be a rematch.Posted November 25, 2013 7:45 am
red… Really?Posted November 25, 2013 7:00 am
@ Red, Why is that …?????Posted November 25, 2013 6:23 am
Boxing Corruption in the UK is worse than anywhere else in the World!!Posted November 25, 2013 6:15 am
The only thing the ref did was to stop Froch putting Groves into La La land, Groves was helpless as the ref dived in, imagine what Froch would of done in the few seconds Groves hands were dangling down and his head was down, Froch is the one hard done by for not being allowed to KO GrovesPosted November 25, 2013 6:08 am
Neil Pomy totally agree with you… for me the only thing that should have happened was a standing 8 count for groves. I for one was thinking the Froch would stop Groves in the later rounds when he started to fade… but not like the way it happened.Posted November 25, 2013 6:04 am
Bad stoppage. I wanted Froch to win but Groves has been hard-done by poor ref’ing. The wrong man won on saturday. One of the worst stoppages I have ever seen …… the decision to stop it was so bad it felt almost like a fix.Posted November 25, 2013 5:39 am
WHY ARE YOU STARTING AGAIN WITH THIS POSTING TO FASTPosted November 25, 2013 5:13 am
This result is TAINTED and that’s the size of it, the ref took away Groves opportunity to recover he simply was NOT showing signs of being so badly hurt that the bout should have been stopped… I remember Cotto got a questionable stoppage against Corley in PR… Reality is that if Groves had righted himself and continued he had an EXCELLENT chance of getting the win… Froch can proclaim he was gonna end the guys career all he wants fact is that he got bailed out by an overzealous ref..Posted November 24, 2013 11:17 pm
Groves looks a well beat manPosted November 24, 2013 9:58 pm
Naseem hamed is not the foremost authority. It’s an opinion. Because he’s likening Froch to a situation he was in. Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one but not everyone wants to hear it.Posted November 24, 2013 7:53 pm
Froch v Groves
youtube.com/watch?v=Tkb3K9-uDJwPosted November 24, 2013 7:30 pm
Just a case where the winner is a big loser, well aside of the whole going home afterward to Rachael Cordingly thing.Posted November 24, 2013 7:28 pm
Froch v Groves
Groves would be a dangerous opponent for any fighter, he is skilful and can punch very hard, he caught Froch many times with punches that would of knocked out every other fighter including Ward etc, Froch just has a granite chin, he can take any shot.Posted November 24, 2013 6:42 pm
Froch threw elbows & hit after the break. Why give warnings if your not going to deduct. What are u warning him about. I didn’t see froch getting to groves. There is going to be tides in most bouts. The ref should be suspended.
well looking at groves dial and looking at frochs dial says it all,the ginger ninger has a face like an over ripe pumpkingPosted November 24, 2013 6:23 pm
Frochy – you son are the one that needs to calm down, you could easily make a argument for Groves up until the stoppage winning all previous rounds personally thought he (froch) won 2 rounds, lets not forget the 10-8 round in the first and the fact that Froch could have easily had a point taken off its a Subjective sport so to have a bias opinion is one thing but to shoot down someone else’s opinion is poor. All calls of Froch was about to stop him and the ref did him a favour is purly opinion and no more. what isn’t an opinion but fact is the fight was stopped way too soon George will come again Fact Will Carl???Posted November 24, 2013 6:18 pm
Apparently before the fight, the referee ‘liked’ a comment on Facebook that said groves would be stopped in round 9…hmmmPosted November 24, 2013 5:50 pm
Froch was hitting on the break big time! Also what I seen a lot from him last night was slapping! Because Groves was so quick in wuth a jab straight right all froch could do to counter was to cuff groves round the head with slaps. Some talk calzaghr down for the way he punched at times but these Froch slaps were 10 times worse than anything Calzaghe threw.Posted November 24, 2013 5:39 pm
Groves was battered… Froch was getting to him. He was probably going to finish GG off… It was a quick stoppage. Partisan referees do that.
Neither fighter can defend well, but Froch takes a better shot. He rides with punches better due to greater experience.. He’s a stronger man and punches harder.. In a war with a guy like Groves he’s eventually going to come out on top. Groves needs pace and defense to beat this guy.
Look at Groves face because he got hit… He’s an easy winner if he could evade punches better. Froch doesn’t have masterly offensive skills but he was hitting Groves with stupid stuff—even hitting on the break. You can’t allow that.
It’s a sad thing—but a reality in boxing—to encounter referees who are biased. You can’t be naïve. They’ll rob you. You have to be alert to avoid egregious fouling and massive damage. Your chief second has to scream at the referee when he’s oblivious to fouls or doesn’t take points.
Floyd was hit on the thigh by Canelo—and immediately reacted very strongly to it. You HAVE to do that because some guys will hurt you any way they can. The only things stopping them are point deductions and DQ’s. You don’t brawl with a brawler because the ref is going to blame both of you. The video record is there showing you fouled as well.
If you’re well ahead and expended a ton of energy—you may need a recovery round where you just feint and let your opponent do all the leading. Groves fought well … but not as smart as he could have.Posted November 24, 2013 5:30 pm
GGG would kill Froch or Groves.Posted November 24, 2013 5:29 pm
Frochy, why do you tell Salmon to calm down? Did you sense yelling? Perhaps the point he was making was not beholdin’ to your own? Nothing but more mitigator a from you. Your name says it all. You’re biased, blind to the facts and plain ignorant when a young fighter earned respect and won most rounds and you believe otherwise. That is the definition of bias. Had Groves KO’d Froch, you would be swearing the rematch would not be a fluke. You surely won’t agree that’s what you would do however, because denial is part of bias.Posted November 24, 2013 5:29 pm
Until last night I was convinced ggg was made for froch, now I think he would eat froch alive! groves vrs ggg id another matter. I honestly think a star was born in George groves last night, groves vrs ward could be the future big fight in the division.Posted November 24, 2013 5:18 pm
Golovkin aka GGG vill stop both of them for sure.Posted November 24, 2013 5:11 pm
We can all talk till we are blue in the face, Froch should have lost in the first round,Groves was ahead on points,Froch was starting to take over, Froch has a Granite chin, none of it counts, this was a 12 (TWELVE) round fight, Froch won by stoppage in the 9th round, he didn’t make the decision, the ref did. If it makes sense financially, they will fight again, maybe not right away, but they will fight, the hungry promoters and managers will see to that.Posted November 24, 2013 5:01 pm
To be fair to degale, ive never really rated him and put him down for loosing to what I considered to just be a decent domestic fighter im Groves. But after watching what Groves did to Froch last night you also have ti elevate Degale right up there after loosing so closely to Groves.Posted November 24, 2013 4:40 pm
Ha ha yeah I have ti agree regarding the belts. Had to spend 20 minutes in the pub explaining to my mate how Froch was wba champ yet Ward was really the wba super champ lol.Posted November 24, 2013 4:38 pm
i hope groves comes back,dont wanna see him fighting in shopping malls like that pri#k degale.Posted November 24, 2013 4:38 pm
groves looks a beaten man! he has a face like a babboons arsPosted November 24, 2013 4:11 pm
HOW MANY BELTS IN THIS DIVISION IV”E LOST COUNT.Posted November 24, 2013 4:08 pm
Credit to Froch for rescuing the fight from the clutches of defeat. … Great fight… But Groves clearly bossed the fight and will probably win the rematch. George was hurt 20 secs before the stoppage, but then seemed to recover. Half of Froch’s “finishing” punches missed. As soon as the ref stopped hugging and wrestling Groves, George immediately protested and he certainly to hav full control of his senses.Posted November 24, 2013 4:07 pm
At the end if the day froch went into this fighy 5 to 1 on. I would think the bookies would have Groves favorite in a rematch. Thats a good indication of the truth of who came off better at the end of the fight!Posted November 24, 2013 4:03 pm
Grovesb gave froch top respect and was avoiding his shots until the mid way point of the fight. At this point froch caught him a few times and Groves walked through the shots in the same way kessler and ward did before him. At this point groves sensing the win instead of playing it safe groves decided to go for total glory and actually be the first to stop Froch. And lets be honest this is the first time since taylor that we actually thought Froch was on the verge of going. Yet again though Froch hung in. But Groves was no Jermaine Taylor and was not taking anything that he could not cope with. Groves used what should have been considered top ring IQ, that which is used by no other than Mayweather and hopkings and took a good shot and turned his back on the fight looking for the ref to step in and stop Froch hitting the back of his head split em upnand give groves a second to clear his head. When mayweather and hopkins do it its good ring IQ, Groves did it and the ref stopped the fight!Posted November 24, 2013 4:01 pm
Of course Groves is going to say he was not hurt…but he was! and seriously. The ref did him a big ffavour.Posted November 24, 2013 2:59 pm
Well one thing for sure if he gets the rematch , which I think he will as it will be big money for both of them! Then he will have a chance to do it again and maybe win without any controversy !Posted November 24, 2013 2:50 pm
Salmon – Calm down. He hadn’t won every round at all. If fighting back is taking clean punches without defending yourself then I don’t know what you were watching. After the knockdown Froch had warmed to George’s punches and was walking through them. George was tired and his will broken after he’d landed his best bombs on Froch multiple times but Froch was coming forwards and getting stronger. The ref although a poor stoppage did George a favour.Posted November 24, 2013 2:46 pm
Groves had won every round, he wasn’t hurt as much as he was tired. He was fighting back and defending himself, Froch was missing more so that landing. Who knows how it would have turned out for sure. Personally I think Froch would have caught up with him but then maybe he’d have gotten caught with a right hand and gotten knocked on his arse again!Posted November 24, 2013 1:57 pm
Groves thought he was winning the fight “comfortably,” but his face looks like he was undeniably winning it uncomfortably! I didnt see the fight but would really like to take a look at it. For a boxer/fighter, Groves has a calm soft spoken mild mannered delivery that is a little funny to watch, considering his line of work! Maybe, like most say, if the ref had taken some points away from Froch for cheating, I think Froch probably wouldve gotten desperate, with Groves capitalizing on Frochs robotic wildness sooner and more decisively…..gotta see this fight!Posted November 24, 2013 1:22 pm
The guy interviewing Groves should take the cotton balls out of his mouth. Ruddiest English accent I’ve ever heard.Posted November 24, 2013 9:56 am
Thought I’d wait to watch the fight a second time before commenting again. There is no doubt at all in my mind (& the refs clearly) that Froch was starting to do some real damage to Groves. Watch how Groves almost curls up into a ball and staggers about on jelly legs as Froch keeps laying on the punches. If that fight had gone on any longer Groves would have take a very nasty KO in the same style as Bute. I know its entertaining on one hand to watch someones head bobbing about on there shoulders as they get knocked out so I can see why everyone was so annoyed at how quickly the finish came about but the ref only has a split second to decide what to do.
If this boxing match was sanctioned for 8 rounds Groves would have won this fight, so perhaps some people should remember why they call the later rounds the championship rounds. That’s what Froch does, he puts on the pressure in theses later rounds, so in reality the ending wasn’t that much of a surprise to people who have followed Froch career so far.Posted November 24, 2013 9:55 am
Froch was robbed more than groves, froch was about to create a great comeback KO like he has done beforePosted November 24, 2013 9:28 am
Swedish Boxing Fan
Oh George Groves’s face was big time swollen at this photo. He fought well and a rematch is hopefully upcoming so Carl Froch and Groves can make unfinished buisness done in the ring.Posted November 24, 2013 8:10 am
Swedish Boxing Fan
Well this was a poor choise of action for the referee Howard John Foster, he should not have jumped in so soon. Of course it is the referee’s biggest job to check the boxers best health to see that the boxer is able to fight on and he had the heart at right spot here but not the right timing. However I still feel the worst referee call in years was back in October 15, 2011 when Bernard Hopkins defended the World light heavyweight title against Chad Dawson and Dawson in the 2nd round wrestle throwed Hopkins down to the canvas so badly that Hopkins got injured to his right shoulder and could not continue to fight propertly – The referee calls that ILLEGAL move as a “punch” and gives Dawson a TKO decision victory (?), that was just outrageous badly call BUT thank the Athletic Commision to have some brain to change the fight result to a No Contest NC decision as it should have been in first place to begin with. So I can forgive Howard John Foster more than Pat Russel’s poore judgment. Still sadly for George Groves to lose like that.Posted November 24, 2013 8:08 am