I remember when Lewis was knocked flat… Twice.Posted November 27, 2013 10:55 pm
Mick the Marmalizer
Yoandras Salinas, Raymond Beltran & Obodai Sai have all been ripped off in the UK in the last few years. However it works both way’s, I well remember Billy Hardy battering Orlando Canazales & getting taken to the cleaners in his own town!Posted November 25, 2013 8:27 pm
Boxing fans in general, are surprised that Groves is a class over Froch, me too, it was close to being all over in the first round. Froch was seriously shaken and confused, furthermore
Groves hit him with some nasta shots, after the clear-cut knock down, after what, there was counting. Froch looked like a 50 year old pub crawler, throughout the fight. It can’t be legal for the ref to take Groves out of the fight, as he pleases.
Groves should be able to beat most of the Smw fighters, Abraham, Stieglitz, Bute, and Dirrell. He certainly outboxed Froch. Speed was the answer. Froch alongside Kessler should consider retirement.Posted November 25, 2013 4:44 pm
I’m not sure Groves’ may want another re-match – he may well have just fought the fight of his life.Posted November 25, 2013 4:20 pm
At the time I thought it was a premature stoppage but watching it back now I don’t. Groves got caught clean several times and was not fighting back he staggered forward legs wide apart just to stay on his feet and had the ref not stepped in would have took a lot more big shots. He was wobbling even as he argued with the referee about the early stoppage . Groves should be fortunate as he has come out of this as a hero but if the referee hadn’t stepped in and Froch had knocked him out it would have been a different story. I’m a fan of both these guys so it’s not a biased comment and I urge you to watch the replay a few times and look at Groves legs before slating the ref. He was like Bambi on ice. Rematch??? If it had gone another 10 – 15 seconds Groves wouldn’t want one.Posted November 25, 2013 2:59 pm
CAN U SAY ROBBEDPosted November 25, 2013 2:52 pm
Grove got screwed. He was winning 8 or so rounds was making Froch look like a slow old man and got a bit careless and got hit with a few but was not too bad and the ref just stopped it. He did not even hit the canvas. At worst the ref should have separated them and given him an 8 count but even that was not needed. All froch had to do was land 3 or 4 punches in a flurry and that was enough to win the fight. Disgrace. Froch will think twice before getting in the ring with Groves again because Grove is the champ.Posted November 25, 2013 1:51 pm
Some people watched a different fight to me, sure Groves was stunned but did not get hit with a clean shot before the stoppage, if Froch was allowed to continue after the first round knockdown and given a chance then why not give Groves the opportunity when he was hurt? I do not criticise Foster too much as I am sure it was simply good intentions that led to the mistake but lets be clear it was a mistake. I think George would have survived the round and am intrigued to know whether he would go onto to be victorious or been worn down as too many people simply assume Froch would have stopped him which is utter BS, only worrying thing was the crazy scores which could have seen Carl win on points with no 10-8 rds which would have been even more of a farce as I had Froch winning 1 round and ahead in the round it was stopped but that only evens up the 10-8 round!Posted November 25, 2013 1:11 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
I recall the time Lennox was down two rounds after six so most thought he HAD TO LOSE because of that, yet he still stopped his fading opponent…Posted November 25, 2013 11:03 am
There’s a lot of sad nasty people on this site.The fact is this: groves won the first half of the fight in style,but it’s a 12 round fight.It doesn’t matter how dominant you’ve been in the first 6,7,8,9,or even 11 rounds,if you get stopped.Everyone is slating Froch and the ref,without all the facts as usual.The ref is very experienced,and was 2 feet away from Groves.I think he was netter qualified to make a judgement call than you or I.That being said,Groves in opinion deserved a count,but in all likelihood froch would have just kept unloading on a fighter unable to defend himself.If Froch ened up badly hurting Groves,where it affected his future and his health,then we’d be calling the ref a disgrace for not stopping it.It’s a fine line.Both Froch and Groves should be given full credit for the effort they gave.We knew groves would be younger,faster,more mobile,better reflexes and ring IQ,yet even with all these advantages,he couldn’t get the job done and faded,while Froch took everything that Groves could throw at him.Groves took this fight a year too early…his inexperience showed in the later rounds where he thought he could trade with Froch.Froch did look slow though,i mean,slower than normal.Maybe he’s on the slide,but he looked very slow and VERY stiff…Anyone who thinks this stoppage was a travesty needs to think about what would have happened if the ref didn’t step in when he did…Froch would have tee’d off and rendered Groves unconscious…if you really belive Groves head would have cleared in a few seconds you are kidding yourself.It was definitely an UNSATISFACTORY ending,but hardly controversial….a rematch will hopefully fix all the whingeing…Posted November 25, 2013 8:43 am
Howard Foster should be banned and charged!!Posted November 25, 2013 6:21 am
Boxing Corruption is rife in the UK, something needs to be done about it, They pull out all the stops if their man isnt winning, just watch the Ricky Burns fight for evidence of that, UK IS ROTTEN!!Posted November 25, 2013 6:20 am
Mick the Marmalizer
Regarding the undercard: I’d like to see Rocky Fielding fight Paul Smith in the new year.Posted November 25, 2013 6:00 am
Mick the Marmalizer
The WBA & IBF need to investigate this. Yes the fight was stopped prematurely, but worse still was the judging. Groves was clearly ahead & would have survived the round. Howard Foster should be struck off & the fight declared a N/C & a re-match ordered.Posted November 25, 2013 5:59 am
What would have happened? we will never know but some people have to be asked some serious questions. The ref and the 2 judges that had george ahead by 1 point ( It was at least 3 ) excellent fight and cant wait for the rematchPosted November 25, 2013 5:10 am
I got the feeling that the ref, was trying to spare a young fighter from harm too, but I don’t think Groves was in trouble, since he showed fine defensive skills, earlier in the fight.
Groves outboxed and hurt Froch many many times, and I do believe that he had won the fight, had it not been for an overprotecting ref.
Yes Froch is known for being good, also in the later rounds, but he really seemed over the hill.
Had Groves survived the round, I think he would have won the fight, why, because Froch was wasting his last energy.Posted November 25, 2013 5:02 am
Mick the Marmalizer
There was only one loser & that was the sport of Boxing!Posted November 25, 2013 4:27 am
Froch was a bad winner with no intergrity . Throughout the whole build up he has been acting like an ego maniac. The pendulum has now swung to Groves. people now, the public know whot he real winner was….Groves is ready for big time boxing. Froch has one more fight left in him maximumPosted November 25, 2013 1:11 am
youtube.com/watch?v=sUmIiWLoEuoPosted November 25, 2013 12:57 am
Finally saw it. Horrible stoppage. The guy was coming forward. Did not appear to be hurt at all. Not even sure he would have lost the round.Posted November 24, 2013 11:57 pm
That was a great fight, one of the best.Posted November 24, 2013 7:50 pm
Groves was recued from the inevatable,the ko was coming,live with it mother f@@kersPosted November 24, 2013 6:16 pm
shut up reg you dozy runtPosted November 24, 2013 6:11 pm
f@k of Jlop,Posted November 24, 2013 6:06 pm
I was in absolute shock when the fight was stopped. Groves was mabe on the verge of being dropped but not stopped. A rematch sounds good however the element of suprise which Groves had is now gone. VERY impressed with Groves lastnight.Posted November 24, 2013 6:03 pm
Loving all the Ref Saved Groves comments! Truly Terrible call from Howard Foster that’s just all there is to it all the comments of Froch was going to knock him out etc etc is just subjective TRULY shocking call gutted for St George Hammersmiths finest will be back.. We need the Rematch…..Posted November 24, 2013 5:56 pm
I only have four words to say. How much money ref?Posted November 24, 2013 4:55 pm
I only have three words to say. How much money ref?Posted November 24, 2013 4:54 pm
poochy ->one word money….Froch is well off but he would make more for a rematch then any other fight he has ever been in. He made 1.5 million sterling. In a rematch in Old trafford (which would be a big venue favourite) for the rematch he will make twice that.
Froch is a smart guy. He knows after last night he can’t beat Golovkin or Ward. Chavez will be Ward fodder and you can be sure he doesn’t want a voluntary with James DeGale or the unheard of WBA number 1.
At 36 he wil be nearly 37 by the time May/June comes around. I think he has had enough. 3 million last fight then off to the sunset a very wealthy man. Eddie Hearn can potentially put on a dream card and he will need to to sell out Old Trafford. Scott Quigg v Kiko Martinez. Ricky Burns (win or lose v Crawford) against Anthony Crolla. Anthony Josha and Luke Campbell against a higher level of Opposition. Martin Murray v Darren Barker or a Darren Barker Strum rematch.
Matchroom have huge options for this card.Posted November 24, 2013 4:14 pm
Ive said this many times but there is a reason that there is a count in boxing. All these early stoppages are terrible. I understand they are trying to watch out for the fighters well being but they know what they signed up for. If he thought he as that hurt he could of issued a standing 8 count or let the fight go until Groves fell. Then issued a count and then determine if there is just cause for him to stop itPosted November 24, 2013 3:52 pm
Some valid points Mack, but why on earth do you think Groves will get a rematch??? Froch will want no more of that. He said as much in an interview afterwards, he’s beaten Groves and is looking to move on in his opinion.Posted November 24, 2013 3:51 pm
Groves should be a VERY happy man tonight. Don’t get me wrong he outclassed a clearly ageing fighter but this ageing fighter still is one tough hombre with a HUGE heart. Groves had gassed. After round 8 you sense a big momentum shift and the championship rounds were about to start. Groves has hardly ever been 12 rounds and against Degale he was gassed by 11. I have zero doubt that Froch KO’s him. If he gets KO’d then there are no calls for a rematch, well certainly Carl can say no thanks.
Even he he lasts to 12 two judges have Froch only behind a round (terrible scoring). Therefore he was on the way to losing the fight (unjustly). Instead we have the ref saving George from a KO. He probably gets a second chance against Froch. A Froch who has had one war too many. On the flip side George will have learnt so much last night. He needs to pace himself better to help with his stamina issues and he needs to learn from other rookie mistakes he made in the fight.
With the bad stoppage Groves will now get a rematch he will be a warm favourite for. He will get the biggest payday of his career and two the probable passing of the torch. Had he been KO’d Froch would have avoided him and looked for a big fight against Chavez probably. Froch will make big money for a Groves rematch but other then that most of the upside is with George Groves..Posted November 24, 2013 3:40 pm
We don’t know what would have happened in the late rounds because the ref put Groves in a headlock and stopped it as soon as he could possibly get away with it. Shameful fix.Posted November 24, 2013 3:39 pm
George didn’t make it to the championship rounds where Carl comes into his own. Without the refs early stoppage I doubt wether he’d have made the championship rounds. He was ready to go. He knew he had a monster in front of him that just wouldn’t stop coming no matter how hard and many times he hit him. He was tired and his will had been broken by Carl. All facts.Posted November 24, 2013 2:38 pm
Decision- how can George won the fight? HmmmPosted November 24, 2013 2:35 pm
Groves showed he will have a bright future…Posted November 24, 2013 2:31 pm
Froch was just too toughPosted November 24, 2013 2:13 pm
groves dad and s are spot on.Posted November 24, 2013 2:10 pm
grovesdad and s are spot on ….Froch was robbed of a heroic come from behind win. Groves had shot his load. The real criminals were the 2 judges.Posted November 24, 2013 2:09 pm
Alongside Froch looking Old, and Groves being a class over, what he has shown before, having power and speed way beyond Froch, even putting Carl down, in the first round, dominating the cobra clearly,
Groves showed real class. Groves won this fight, via speed. I am very impressed by Groves, this time, because he showed Froch like power, alongside his technical skills.
I consider Groves, the boxer that revealed Frochs lacking speed. Too me Groves won that fight without a doubt, he made Froch look very old. Groves did what Kessler should have done, but could not, because he was over the hill. Fantastic effort by Groves.Posted November 24, 2013 2:07 pm
Groves was too tired at the end and Froch was about to take him to a brutal knock out. So, the early stoppage saved Groves from some serious damage, but it denied Carl Froch the pleasure of a slaughter, and made Groves look much better than he is. Froch won the fight, but groves came out looking like the winner. The ref did Groves the favour, by saving his dignity from not being carried out.Posted November 24, 2013 2:03 pm
Well Paper Champ Carl lives for another day. He’s a minor talent and got schooled by a kid. The only thing Froch has is a chin and and iron will he’s bloody awful technically. Dud stoppage and there should be a rematch.Posted November 24, 2013 1:58 pm
Exactly, but I also firmly believe that Calzaghe was also on his way to stopping him himself.Posted November 24, 2013 1:36 pm
Yes, Calzaghe vs Mitchell was stopped prematurely, considering Joe had just been down himself and the calibre of Byron, the ref should have let the fight go another few seconds before steaming in to Mitchell, stopping it.Posted November 24, 2013 1:02 pm
No actually Mitchell was punching back with Calzaghe, he may have been more hurt that Groves but the fact is he was still throwing punches back. So I would say the comparison is about right.Posted November 24, 2013 12:39 pm
should be a rematch, but I thought Carl aged an awful lot last night, and would not be surprised that after the dust has settled he and his family have had Christmas he announces his retirement titles become vacant groves gets his shot again against however and finally becomes the world champion.Posted November 24, 2013 12:37 pm
“After having watched a childish Groves in the build up to the fight, he truly showed his class on the night, out jabbing and landing numerous vicious right hands on Froch’s granite titanium chin.” This sentence makes no sense whatsoever. It sounds like Groves watched another guy named Groves being childish, before fighting well against Froch.Posted November 24, 2013 12:29 pm
Peej – Mitchell was totally done, no comparison at all.Posted November 24, 2013 12:09 pm
To be honest i felt that the ref gave Groves a breather several times by halting the action over minor things, but the stoppage was way too early. Still I had a feeling Froch would walk him down eventually. Groves didn’t body punch enough.Posted November 24, 2013 12:07 pm
Yeah bad stoppage, but with the stoppages that have been happening lately this is right in line with that. But I agree terrible stoppage. Reminds me of the stoppage from Calzaghe and Byron Mitchell.Posted November 24, 2013 11:56 am
No way Froch beat Dirrell. Unfortunately I did not see the fight, I was trying to see a reply of the stoppage but haven’t been able to find it on youtube, I am about to google it to see if I can find onePosted November 24, 2013 11:48 am
Howard Foster should never be allowed to step into a boxing ring ever again, the man is a disgrace.Posted November 24, 2013 11:14 am
Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster
Even though Froch was delirious that he snatched victory from the jaws of defeat, the premature stoppage makes what would have been a great comeback instead look like a fix. Like the Dirrell victory (which I had Froch winning by a couple of rounds as he sneaked 4-5 of the close rounds), people will use this to taint Froch’s record.
I personally think that Groves was on the verge of being knocked down, which would have made Froch ahead on 2 judges’ cards, 1 point behind with 2 rounds left on the other & 2 behind with 2 remaining on most journalists’ cards I’ve seen today. Due to a poor decision by the ref (even if it was made with the right intentions, as BBBoC said), we’ll never know. Groves will learn & improve from this, I can see him being cagier & smarter in a rematch and taking the points win.Posted November 24, 2013 10:50 am
The best man won no matter what anyone says Groves was saved from getting knocked out badly at the end.Posted November 24, 2013 10:42 am
I don’t know what fight you were watching because in the one I saw, Groves backed up to the ropes and allowed Froch to swing wildly and ineffectively in most rounds. Given this, when he was hurt for the first time in the fight, backed up to the ropes and Froch began swinging, it was hardly reason to stop things. I didn’t even have Froch winning that round until his first power shot so it was hardly sustained dominance. I think the scorecards show that there was a blueprint for the fight already in place and that had the roles been reversed, this would have been stopped in the first.Posted November 24, 2013 10:28 am
Because he’s right. Groves would have won if he hadn’t let things go to his head. The first 7 rounds he boxed so well,then when he started to tire instead of takinjg a rest at distance for a coupla rounds he mixed it with a still strong Froch.
Leedsnproud, why do you think this is an excellent article? What exactly is it that you find so excellent about it?
Excellent article. Groves gained so much from this. His inexperience showed and he will have learned so much from this fight.
boxing is getting like football fuc#ing prima donnas.Posted November 24, 2013 9:32 am
Froc) had him at the end, groves was hanging, froch was robbed of a great comeback KO like we know he canPosted November 24, 2013 9:26 am
Great fight spoiled by a terrible ref. Groves has come out the real star in this. Maybe froch might have stopped him but we will never know. Froch sounded like an absolute bell end in the post fight interview. How many times must he tell the worl he is world class and an international superstar. Let the fans be the judge of that. And if all fights were to be stopped so premaurely, maidana beats khan, mosley beats mayweather, berto beats ortiz, mormeck beats hay. Feel fre to add more fights.And there would be no classic fights like ward v gatti. Bottom line is froch eith heas a rematch or retires which would mean grove beat him into retirement because froch has said on numerous occasions he has no plans to retire for now. Groves u have a new fanPosted November 24, 2013 9:19 am
Why did I read this non-article?Posted November 24, 2013 9:06 am
They took that away from groves froch looked really slow consider that a gift but all they did was make groves popular and set him up for bigger fightsPosted November 24, 2013 9:04 am
worst stoppage i have ever seen – either the ref was corrupted and the fight was fixed or the ref was totally incompetent – can only be one of the 2 and another blow for boxingPosted November 24, 2013 8:52 am