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The Honeybadger

The “same” blown up Marquez that got outboxed by Floyd the “same” Marquez that ko’d Pacman? MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Sucka pleez.

Posted December 21, 2013 10:16 pm 


side_step

we keep jibber jaberring away!! but the fact remains that FMJR is AFRAID to fight MP…and thats the bottomline!

Posted December 9, 2013 4:01 am 


prince

Vivek actually gives Manny Pacquiao a little credit? He even admits that Manny
Is a threat to Floyd? What is this, the world coming to an end? I can’t believe it!

Posted December 3, 2013 2:53 am 


Whatever

I can’t believe this writer indicates that PAC lost to bradley. REALLY???? That was robbery beyond the definition of the word. PAC will beat fraud mayrunner.

Posted December 2, 2013 2:10 pm 


TARK

Sredmond you’re an idiot… You have the IQ of a dog turd.

Canelo looked fine for Trout because he did the weight making process well… For Floyd he started the weight making process too early and too aggressively and blew it.

It’s not an excuse — it’s a reality. Canelo was weight drained.

There is no reason for me to make excuses be cause I predicted the fight would be a UD for Floyd and was almost exactly on the money with my score.

YOU need an excuse because YOU predicted Floyd would smoke, paint, shred, and KO Canelo … You mongrel IDIOT!!!

Posted November 30, 2013 6:07 pm 


HHLondon

Why I can’t put Collins and Slater in a post to Vivek?

Posted November 30, 2013 12:02 am 


Two Piece

Auzbox – fight will never happen.

Posted November 28, 2013 1:49 pm 


SREDMOND

Auzbox, I am NOT like tees other creeps on ESB who just pretend that the results of a bout did not happen because they don’t like a certain fighter or start making excuses… If Floyd somehow lost to PAC Man I would give Manny his due, both are veteran boxers… I will tell you that guys will NEVER give FMJ cred even though he is 2 years older than PAC Man… But Whatever

Posted November 28, 2013 7:43 am 


Auzbox

I hope if the fight comes off and manny wins you all accept he is better no EXCUSES till then it doesn’t matter

Posted November 28, 2013 12:25 am 


Auzbox

Sredmond I hope if the fight ever happens and manny wins in any fashion you will say manny is better cause the winner out of that fight if it ever happens is the best

Posted November 28, 2013 12:21 am 


SREDMOND

Tark, a guy who pops up 15 or 20 pounds is naturally gonna look different AFTER he puts on the weight thats just STANDARD you IDIOT….Did Ward compare Canelo to the weigh-in against Trout so we have a baseline for his “appearance to one man” which is super subjective OTHERS say he is fine and HE himself said he was fine…. Dawson said he was FINE till a YEAR later when it was time to resurrect his career and subsequently get KOEd at 175….. So whats the stance, Tark guys coming down in weight AUTOMATICALLY lose for that reason??? So how did Hopkins win 2x as an OLd Man doing it and how did Garcia win recently?? How did Canelo win all those fights bouncing from 154 to 172???? AGAIN you are applying an excuse because you are a DOG who cannot accept results that conflict with your reality….

Posted November 28, 2013 12:11 am 


SREDMOND

NO ONE is inside another persons BODY the reason guys wanna give Canelo a pass is BECAUSE he LOST…. Tark is NOT remotely credible as it pertains to guys coming down in weight and taking a loss he IMMEDIATELY defaults to “That guy was drained” he has said this about Canelo, Rodriguez, and Dawson. Tell us Tark were Cotto, Margarito, and Oscar “Drained” of course YOU know because you can tell from your TV LMAO!!! Fact is that “Being Drained” is just another EXCUSE that is fashionable with BUM posters who wanna excuse fighters when they don’t make the grade… When you sign the contract you assume responsibility for getting yourself in shape and winning if you fail TOO damn bad its irrelevant to me with prime age boxers… Mikey Garcia was throwing up on camera and STILL came out and handled his business via KO. Canelo had to knockoff 1.5 measly pounds and what did he get in return??? He bubbled to 165 against a guy who was barely 150, but this was no ordinary or just good fighter it was a SUPER skilled ATG who was not gonna let Canelo take advantage of his advantages in YOUTH, POWER and SIZE…. Canelo has NOT yet peddled the predictably weak excuse yet others wanna plead his case in order to detract from Floyd towering victory,,, YOU FAILED Money May is on top of he sport and till he loses or retires he is gonna stay there,,,

Posted November 27, 2013 11:54 pm 


TARK

Andre Ward knows what he’s talking about… Andre said Canelo looked really bad at the weigh-in. That he looked really weak. A top fighter who’s been in the game 20 years knows what he’s looking at.

Posted November 27, 2013 10:50 pm 


te tumbo

UnFnEmployable . . .

Posted November 27, 2013 10:14 pm 


Public Enemy

Listen, I have had enough of you, take a nap.

Posted November 27, 2013 9:40 pm 


te tumbo

“So the Mosely Cotto and Collazo fought was also juiced to the Nines while the Mosely Canelo fought was not juiced” that’s not what he posted at all, you obsessed puto-riqueño clown. come back when you have a rican champion to support. otherwise, you remain in the peanut gallery along with the rest of the man-jizz garglers.

Posted November 27, 2013 8:54 pm 


USA cAPITAL OF peds

Thats no joke, all the top fighters get busted are from the states, no coincidence.

Posted November 27, 2013 8:49 pm 


PEEJ

Auzbox, let’s fight.

Posted November 27, 2013 7:04 pm 


PEEJ

He ran out of gas because because Floyd was putting it on him.

Posted November 27, 2013 5:45 pm 


SREDMOND

Golovkins NOT A credible opponent he’s simply too big, never fought in the division and he is not even the Top MW in the World if FMJ was interested in another division… Guys need to really give that up, the last thing boxing needs is ANOTHER long drawn out saga about a fighter “making weight”….Golovkins never boxed pro at 154, he comes down, gets outboxed by the MUCH smaller Mayweather what are we gonna hear? “He looked parched” “he was a zombie” “he was dead on the scales” “Mayweather drained him” I despise this excuse and it has been badly abused over the years… We all know GGG brings NOTHING to the table, no fan base, no Ring Championship or Lineal crown just a FULL MW looking to face a SMALL WW…This is a terrible proposition that has 00000 chance of popping off…

Posted November 27, 2013 9:10 am 


Sabone

The Shane Mosley that Floyd beat was CLEARLY not the same Mosley who beat Margarito. Why? It should be startling obvious to anyone with a ounce of intelligence. Because the Mosley who fought Margarito — a Margarito who wasn’t wearing his illegal wraps — was juiced up to the nines on PEDs. Whereas the Mosley Floyd fought was clean, which is why he looked like a COMPLETELY different fighter and ran out of gas after just 3 rounds. Can’t believe anyone would even try and dispute this.

It’s hardly a coincidence that the first time self-admitted PED cheat Mosley underwent additional testing he looked like absolute pants and inexplicably completely ran out of gas after a few rounds, which is something that he’d never previously done before. He was like a Tasmanian devil against Margarito. He was full of energy and he fought at a ridiculous pace. He was throwing bombs from beginning to end and still looked fresh at the end.

Posted November 27, 2013 7:59 am 


Hec Dog

Please don’t disrespect Manny Pacquiao by asking is he a threat to Mayweather. The title should read is Mayweather a threat to Pacquiao. Manny Pacquiao is arguably the greatest fighter ever, and without a doubt the most pure fighter in history. He has accomplished more than any boxer in the history of boxing. Winning 8 division titles is unheard of. No one including the great ones like Duran, Leonard, Robinson, Chavez and every single other great fighter has even come close. This alone separates Manny Pacquiao from everyone else in boxing history. His unique, wolverine like fighting style is a brutal one. He can become both the predator and the prey as his plan of attack. You never know what he’s going to do. One day he comes at you like a tornado, another day he comes at you as graceful as the legendary race horse Secretariat. His reign of terror during his prime is unequaled as he dissected and dismantled a list of great opponents like Oscar de La Hoya, Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Rickey Hatton, Shane Mosely, Miguel Cotto and others. This is a man that is sought after by such big corporations and companies like Nike, Hennessy, Monster Energy Drink, Hewlett Packard, San Miguel beer, Pistachios and many more. Manny Pacquiao is a mixture of grace, strength, humility and talent. He is the most popular athlete of all time. Manny Pacquiao will one day defeat Floyd Mayweather in stunning fashion, and he will cement his legacy as the greatet fighter of all time. I continue to be amazed at the ability and the skills he has inside the boxing ring. His speed and power are unmatched. His movement and command of the boxing ring will be studied for years. Future generations will learn how to be real scientific and masterful boxers as they study Manny Pacquiao’s unique and superior fighting style. Manny is at a much higher fighting level than the great Bruce Lee ever was. Meaning no disrespect to Mr. Bruce Lee, but Manny Pacquiao has no comparison. He puts it all together in his fighting skills, and transfers it all into his public life. Just look at what he has done outside of the ring. Manny is a great singer, actor, philanthropist, congressman, clothing designer and model. Manny was sought after and asked to join President Obama and his family at the White House. He was offered more money than any other famous person to lace the cover of TIME Magazine, which he did. All of these accolades coming from a man that grew up in poverty. He had no education, he had no one to open up doors or lead him anywhere. This man is a miracle. I am a big fan of Manny Pacquiao because of what he has done with his life. If there were ever a man that would amount to nothing, he was the one you would bet on. Incredible to look at him today. He has been on FORBES list every year. Manny Pacquiao receives all of this because he is a true believer in God. He practices what he preaches, and people follow him. he fights for those that can’t fight for themselves. He doen’t know how to quit. He gets attacked inside the ring and outside the ring, and sometimes he losses, but he always comes back. This is a blessed man that will have us in awe even when he retires from the ring. All the questions have been answered. Manny Pacquiao deserves the respect from all fight fans regardless if they like him or not. Manny is the best.

Posted November 27, 2013 1:52 am 


Auzbox

Nathan couldn’t agree more but broner has his hands full in December not so sure he deserves a shot in floyds carreer

Posted November 27, 2013 1:28 am 


Anonymous

Raymond,. Margarito accomplished NOTHING as a Jr MW how about beating Sergio Martinez? Or haven’t you seen that fight?

Posted November 27, 2013 1:08 am 


Anonymous

Manny or Bradley will never get a fight with Floyd because of Arum. Rios was nothing more than a handpicked punching bag dehydrated. Arum will set up a Rematch with Bradley then Marquez 5. He never had any interests in any of his fighters in a bout with Mayweather. Cotto and De la Hoya had the same issue with Top rank. He straggle holds his fighters and keeps all the money in house. Floyd will fight Amir Kahn next because of the England following and make a easy 100 mil. Manny vs. Flloyd will never happen. Floyd left Top rank and his career went through the roof…

Posted November 27, 2013 1:06 am 


Nathan

Last four fights for Floyd
1) Garcia (will be at a catch weight) deserves a shot
2) Bradley (@147) deserves a shot
3) Broner (@147) New pin up boy
4) Pac (@147) Too much cash to pass up and will cement his legacy

Posted November 27, 2013 12:16 am 


Sheriff Joe’s chicken

Is HEC DOG off his meds again? He is the true definition of an obsessive stalker. That boy is like a programmed Pacquioa droid. Sent back through time to annoy the rest of us with his Pacquioa obsession.

Posted November 26, 2013 11:21 pm 


Hecdog

Manny Pacquiao, the worlds most talented, exciting and humble boxer continues to be a target of those corrupt, envious government officials. Manny Paquiao is the target because he fights and does what is right for people that have nothing. This isn’t the first time he’s been attacked. In the end, the truth will come out and Manny will receive his hard earned money. As the most popular and beloved and admired political figure, Manny has enemies reering their ugly faces in an attempt to bring Manny Pacquiao down. They rain on his parade looking to tarnish his reputation. Manny will fight the good fight and prevail with yet another victory outside the boxing ring. These situations happen in life when GOOD triumphs or EVIL. Manny Pacquiao is the world’s most recognized and beloved athlet in the history of sports. You must understand that if Manny were to lose every penny he has, the world would love him and care for him even more. He will never have to rely on his fighting to make a living and take care of his family. Manny Pacquiao has more value than money. He has true character, integrity and most important, he has God. This is a man that walks the walk and talks the talk. The fighting filipino has just begun to make his name. Yes, boxing is back on top because of him, but better yet, the world recognizes the importance and value of Manny Pacquiao. He will always be able to make money if he wants to, but money is not important to Manny Pacquiao. This is a great human being that will not be forced to be anything other than what he is, which is a loyal, caring, humble, loving, inspiring person. I believe that Manny’s financial situation with the Philippine officials will force the US to make drastic changes in their relationship. Manny Pacquiao carries such power when his name is spoken. I would ask that all the USA send letters to the Philippines renouncing their treatment of our friend Manny Pacquiao. I will go a step further and ask the entire world to do the same. This man needs justice.

Posted November 26, 2013 9:34 pm 


Auzbox

If cotto beats canelo that’s one. Obviously pacman two if Ggg beats a credible opponent like Martinez or Quillan and comes to 154 that’s three. Ill leave the fourth up to you between him and manny they beaten everyone

Posted November 26, 2013 9:10 pm 


SREDMOND

Aurzone what’s your list of opponents and if you wanna go off script and start discussing MW’s that’s gonna get BORING… The public BADLY wanted Canelo that’s why they made it the highest grossing fight EVER… PAC is the ONLY other huge fight out tree and the issues are WELL KNOWN….. Sooooo how do you propose to solve this?

Posted November 26, 2013 8:39 pm 


SREDMOND

I am all for them fighting, that said I’m not really impressed with PAC beating Margo for a vacant title at 150/154…. Margarito accomplished NOTHING as a Jr MW….Pacs a solid 7 weight Champ and Floyd has 5 sure let’em fight I would surely watch..

Posted November 26, 2013 8:36 pm 


Auzbox

4 fights left and hand picking 4 is not acceptable whether he is 37 or 100 he owes boxing fans 4 great fights against top fighters and an amir khan won’t do

Posted November 26, 2013 7:22 pm 


Auzbox

Sredmomd of coarse Oscar says that there all going to beat floyd because he is promoting these fighters, he is not promoting PAC. I mean we could go back and forth all day, your a smart man but I still think your a tiny bit floyd bias and I am manny. All I think is if floyd wants to be the greatest ever fight manny he is an 8 division champion something floyd is not

Posted November 26, 2013 7:16 pm 


te tumbo

What’s up? Messican here. You wanna go?

Posted November 26, 2013 7:07 pm 


Sheriff Joe’s chicken

Anoymous- The way you talk about Marquez makes me think you are jealous of him. He is a superstar in Mexico and has TONS of friends. You are one STRANGE little man as you put it.

Posted November 26, 2013 7:02 pm 


Hidalgo

Excuse me. Te Tumbo, my last post was to you.

Posted November 26, 2013 5:57 pm 


Hidalgo

“fortunately the 3-KD rule wasN’T in effect …

I’m waiting to hear from the WBA regarding that rule, Peej. I sent them an email about it over two weeks ago.

WBA isn’t real fan-friendly though. They never answered another email I sent them over a year ago.

Posted November 26, 2013 5:56 pm 


Anonymous

Marquez is Mexcian strangest, he always complaining, look he has no friends, no boxing friends too as he bad mouth all of them. Drink his own peee, Obsession 6-7 year with manny I bet he been watching manny fight in slow motion every day 8-10 house. So he fixation on manny and studying finally got him lucky a ko . And he doesn’t want to fight manny again as he know he will lose and he was lucky. That not even counting steroids got him the win, as he has shrunk in size a lot too. Viva… Taco man

Posted November 26, 2013 4:45 pm 


Anonymous

All the boxing experts, showing there expertise saying PAC look less aggressive less than the pacman of old. No kidding? When a fighter has been ko and is returning against a healthy 10 pound heavier who is a hard inside puncher. Of course PAC isn’t hunking down to deliver a final ko shot nd take the chance of being ko. He pop pop and bye bye,
you dumb idiot, Logic he not trying to take him out, didn’t he win almost every round.
And PAC not punching as hard? Look at rio face both eyes are ready to close. He had no chance of wining a decent corner would have thrown in the towel, even a dummy will smile andvsay it didn’t hurts, but look at your face, your brain is wobbling inside your skull.Enought of this and another brain dead fighter soon.

Posted November 26, 2013 4:37 pm 


te tumbo

fortunately the 3-KD rule wasN’T in effect treating us to a stirring comeback from Marquez that became the basis for the rivalry between him and Pacquiao*. it was an historic CHOKE by Pacquiao* and he never again came that close to defeating Marquez. forewarned, Marquez was able to consistently foil Pacquiao’s* KO plans and instead turn the trick himself for a Brutal and culminating KO to officially end their rivalry. no more questions. no more doubts. Marquez is Greater.

Posted November 26, 2013 2:24 pm 


Hidalgo

“If the 3 knockdown rule was in effect Pacquiao would have been gone in the 1st round of the 1st Pacquiao fight”

You meant Marquez, Tark, right? Marquez would have been gone in the 1st round…

Posted November 26, 2013 2:20 pm 


te tumbo

Tark says “If you’re not doing much but taking punches you probably have stamina issues” or simply defending against a speedy opponent’s pot-shotting combinations. “If you’re making a weak effort and fall way behind, you’re probably having stamina issues” there was nothing “weak” about Rios’ performance. he tried hard by Pacquiao* “ran like a coward” and refused to engage. “If you’re a world-championship caliber fighter—and somebody is out-punching you by an outrageous margin, you probably have stamina issues”. you really need to watch the actual bout. Rios came on stronger in the later rounds but Pacquiao* was able to dart out of his way, avoid sustained exchanges, and continue to pot-shot his way to a UD scorecard. it was the best-case scenario that Team Pacquiao* imagined when they handpicked Rios and we all agreed that even a close bout would result in the scorecard nod for Pacquiao*. the primary miscalculation was anybody’s contention or hope that Pacquiao* would KO Rios. even Alvarado was able to buckle Rios but Manny* didn’t come close. conversely, Rios did manage to hurt Pacquiao* but wasn’t fast or skilled enough to follow-up.

Posted November 26, 2013 12:08 pm 


SREDMOND

AuZbox are you REALLY quoting Oscar who has bet against Floyd EVERY single time and been WRONG every single time…???? I see Manny has having NO avenue to victory he’s not knocking Mayweather out and he sure as hell cannot outbox him… Mannys weaknesses play to Floyd’s strengths I’m very comfortable saying Pacquiao ends up getting outclassed while looking a little better than Marquez did because his hands are faster…

Posted November 26, 2013 11:11 am 


teepee

i will be glad when this fight is over pac win one fight against a guy that liked to get hit and slugg and they act as tho pacman looked so great he didnt even ko this guy but whatever if pac fight a real contender then ok but a punching bag come on and a threat he is not

Posted November 26, 2013 11:05 am 


SREDMOND

Auzbox, I see Garcia as a front runner for next may beyond that it’s about who’s gonna sell, it would be terrific if he could fight Manny before retirement..Floyd’s gonna be 37, he has proved his point and if not for some there is nothing that can be done in 4 fights… If you think I’m gonna advocate for him moving up another division as he advances in age the. You are WRONG…
Mayweathers a Vet and a Champ, lineal in 4 divisions like Manny so he has MORE than earned the right to go out on his own terms…

Posted November 26, 2013 11:01 am 


SREDMOND

Auzbox, you “Take Wrong” I’m a fan of both Mayweather and Pacquiao and NO Rios is NOT better than Guerrero who had titles in multiple weight classes and beat a solid WW in Aydin and a 2x WW Champ in Andre Berto to become a mandatory… What did Rios do in order to earn his shot at Pacquiao??? He’s a TR fighter, and he lost to Mike Alvarado, he had NEVER had a single WW FIGHT….Only in your mind was Rios a more decorated opponent, Floyd would have been raked over the coals for facing a guy like him coming off a loss…

Posted November 26, 2013 10:55 am 


Jonn E. JaGozza

This is all about Rios,and has nothing to do with Manny. Rios is not a fighter he’s a club fighter , a small time impostor who thinks he’s a fighter. He can train and try to re-invent himself but the truth of the matter is simply, He doesn’t have it, he lacks the raw, instinctive skills great fighters have. HE couldn’t figure out Manny and he couldn’t figure out himself and what to do… In short, he’s a frustrated fighter who ends up fighting out of anger, not at his opponent but at himself.. In short, he lacks the knowledge and the insight to becoming great Sure , he can hang around and beat other less skilled fighters but again, he’ll never be great ! Lastly, his ignorance and lack of instinctive skill made Manny look great, so for us, the fans,it was an illusion.. If I beat up a guy in a wheel chair would that make look great or am I just bullying the guy. That’s what we saw last Saturday night … Bullying also known in the game as A TRAGIC MISMATCH… A SET UP, RIOS was a PATSY, ALL FOR THE ILLUSION OF MAKING MANNY LOOK GREAT … that’s also how fighters get killed in the ring … Sad, Pathetic, BUT definitely NOT GREAT … PEACE … Boxingdictonary.com …

Posted November 26, 2013 9:08 am 


Jonn E. JaGozza

This is all about Rios,and has nothing to do with Manny. Rios is not a fighter he’s a club fighter , a small time impostor who thinks he’s a fighter. He can train and try to re-invent himself but the truth of the matter is simply, He doesn’t have it, he lacks the raw, instinctive skills great fighters have. HE couldn’t figure out Manny and he couldn’t figure out himself and what to do… In short, he’s a frustrated fighter who ends up fighting out of anger, not at his opponent but at himself.. In short, he lacks the knowledge and the insight to becoming great Sure , he can hang around and beat other less skilled fighters but again, he’ll never be great ! Lastly, his ignorance and lack of instinctive skill made Manny look great, so for us, the fans,it was an illusion.. If I beat up a guy in a wheel chair would that make look great or am I just bullying the guy. That’s what we saw last Saturday night … Bullying also known in the game as A TRAGIC MISMATCH… A SET UP, RIOS was a PATSY, ALL FOR THE ILLUSION OF MAKING MANNY LOOK GREAT … that’s also how fighters get killed in the ring … Sad, Pathetic, BUT definitely NOT GREAT … PEACE Boxingdictonary.com …

Posted November 26, 2013 9:04 am 


Auzbox

And also shred 4 fights left for duckweather name the four opponents and don’t say khan he is a bum

Posted November 26, 2013 7:53 am 


Auzbox

And who would you have floyd fight anyway? Your not delahoya, Moseley, cotto who all say its to close to call so any comments to manny no chance are void unless you have been in the ring with both which I’m certain you have not

Posted November 26, 2013 7:39 am 


Auzbox

Sred I take it your a floyd head, rios is way better than Robert ghost whatever and they raised retirement for hunger factor only. He is hungry and ready for mayweather dispute what you think

Posted November 26, 2013 7:37 am 


SREDMOND

Adrian, it’s POINTLESS for you to beg me to do anything, your just not a worthy adversary and your arguments are emotional and poorly thought out…I’m not gonna whine about a fight that to date has NOT happened despite the hype but I love discussing these laughable notions that Manny Pacquiao who’s team was discussing retirement before he beat a fighter or Rios caliber coming off a loss is suddenly in a clear Mayweather conquerer HAHAHAHAHA!!! Shane Mosley beat a FAR tougher Margarito coming off his biggest win and could not deal with Floyd…. Yet you goons think a pudgy Brandon Rios moving up in weight coming off a loss is a sound barometer for how Manny would do against Floyd??? This gets NORE absurd by the minute!!!! I am all for this being done with even though guys like Adrian and others will invalidate the results and say the “PAC of 2010″ woulda done better than lose 9 rounds blah,blah,blah….. In the minds of these Goons poorer Canelo needed 20′years and 35 pounds to have a fair shot at Floyd..LMFAO

Posted November 26, 2013 6:30 am 


SREDMOND

Adrian, your a TERRIBLE poster and consistently leave these GAPING holes for me to exploit but let’s address… Pacquiao gets FAR less credit for beating Shane than Mayweather and here is WHY, Shane last came to the ring with a strong perception of his chances against Mayweather, he had NEVER looked the punk on the ring nor been outclassed in that manner…Floyd humiliated, embarrassed and dominated him, then Shane can only scratch out an ugly draw to a fighter like Sergio Mora (the Contender) when PAC fought him the consensus was that Shane was WASHED UP PRIOR that’s why he was a 6-1 underdog vs Manny and fought like a COWARD… He next lost to Canelo and was pretty much a punching bag…. The last guy who faced a solid version of Shane Mosley was Floyd Mayweather when he was a ranked opponents coming off the Margarito KO… You would give Floyd 000000 cred if he defeated Mosley at the point Pacquiao did no one gave Shane any shot that’s was purely a payday for Manny which I understand but no one was fooled…

Posted November 26, 2013 6:20 am 


SREDMOND

Tark, it’s funny you are going on about Froch “getting respect vs an upstart” when you SWEAR GGG who has not beat any credible opposition at 168 and hardly 160 for that matter is sold as a SURE KO for against Froch?? Froch trash talks EVERYONE even guys who beat him and the retired Calzaghe he surely is fair game and Groves was in his azz that night… The stoppage was TERRIBLE and were Groves a marquis fighter more questions would rightfully have been asked… People thought Alvarado got a quick stoppage against Rios, Goves was FARRRRRR worse, that ref created the result he wanted and I’m VERY slow to get all suspicious but the second this guy had a bit of trouble he dove in to cease the action and this award Froch the bout…

Posted November 26, 2013 6:10 am 


SREDMOND

Tark, Rios WAS. A Champ at 135, coming off a loss at 140, Cotto WAS a standing Champ at 154 and a definite Hall of Famer… But for purposes of argument I’m sure you NOW consider Brandon Rios a more dangerous and accomplished Boxer than Cotto who is a 3 weight Champ and fought all the best of the era…. Your attempts are arguing leave me in stitches

Posted November 26, 2013 6:03 am 


TARK

Yeah…, Fight negotiations at this level are tough.. but you don’t walk away from the table when everything is falling into place.. Right now all the blocks are in place and Floyd can write his own deal.. Pacquiao has to get paid as well.. He’ll do 55/45 in favor of Floyd.. I believe that’s whay Floyd asked for, but I think team Pacquiao will be flexible right now …

Pacquiao had that talk with God, who wants him to end his boxing career soon. So I believe he’ll listen to anything reasonable that Floyd proposes.

Posted November 26, 2013 4:07 am 


Two Piece

Tark – Floyd can’t take them seriously, he had agreed to all heir request but they turned down his only request for mutual OSDT, then they turned down $40M, perhaps Floyd is waiting for Bob to build that stadium.

Posted November 26, 2013 3:54 am 


TARK

As far as Carl Froch is concerned… He beat Groves up pretty good. He started horribly, like he did in the Taylor fight, but he was beginning to right himself. The first few rounds he looked like a 4-round fighter. He always was a little awkward. He was behind but coming on. He was dealing real punishment out. Froch thought the stoppage was good and said so.

Anybody can have their opinion about it. Mine was it was a quick stoppage … The referee and Froch thought otherwise. Froch was shown a great deal of disrespect by Groves and gave some of it back. Who is an accomplished boxer who wants an upstart kid yammering away about how he’s going to put your lights out and put an end to you? You can take so much of that crap.

Posted November 26, 2013 3:35 am 


TARK

This pundit says.., “Mayweather has no obligation to pursue Pacquiao.”

Floyd has an obligation to his fans and boxing fans in general to pursue the best opponent on the planet… He said that is why he pursued Canelo Alvarez, but I think he knows Pacquiao would potentially be a much tougher opponent because of his southpaw style, attacking ability, and angles of attack he uses, the right hook, and the variety of left hands Pac can throw.

The fight is interesting enough that Floyd should comment as to what he thought of Pacquiao’s effort against Rios — and whether he would like to face Pacquiao himself.

Who knows? Maybe he wants to fight Danny Garcia next.

Posted November 26, 2013 3:22 am 


TARK

Nathan has the beat on Boxtra… Floyd will be favored when he faces Pacquiao, but Pac has a better chance than anyone Floyd has faced so far. If you say that’s zero chance than you’re delusional.

Floyd gets hit… Floyd gets hurt… Floyd could also be beaten. He’s not the only unbeaten world champion out there. Rigondeaux, Mikey Garcia, Danny Garcia, Broner, Golovkin, Ward, and Kovalev are all undefeated world champions… The difference is, none of them have an potential opponent as prestigious as ATG Pacquiao.

Posted November 26, 2013 3:09 am 


henry 5

Mayweather cant beat pacman, we knew that 5 years ago and we know it now, best of all… boo boo weather knows best.

Posted November 26, 2013 2:49 am 


Nathan

Boxtra…. Pac has level threat to Floyd is ZERO??? your sir are delusional, I do think that FMJ beats Pac any day of the week but to say that is forgetting one main thing. People thought the same thing about Douglas v Tyson, Tszyu v Judah, Rahmin v Lewis, Bradley v Pac. Now you might argue that none of those fighters are on FMJ level and others may argue that the others are not on Pacs level , but a well timed and placed punch can win a fight no matter who throws it, its called BOXING. You can argue your self anointed genius all you want with your points about FMJ defense, and ring IQ ect… but the fact of the matter remains like or not ( you obviously don’t) Pac has a very very very good attack that is a threat to anyone who steps in the ring with him. If you think otherwise you are completely off with the fairies.

Posted November 26, 2013 1:24 am 


Mitt

The looney bin missed their bed count again.

Posted November 26, 2013 12:52 am 


TARK

If the 3 knockdown rule was in effect Pacquiao would have been gone in the 1st round of the 1st Pacquiao fight… We would never have had any further fights between them…

As it is, Pacquaio won that fight because one judge miscalculated his score for the 1st round… He scored it 10-7 instead of 10-6 like he meant to score it and made the fight a draw … He made a basic math mistake, giving a point for each knockdown instead of 2-points for the 1st knockdown… He admitted he flubbed it… Pac would be 3-1 in their 4-fight series if that mistake wasn’t made.

Because Marquez matches up so well with Pacquiao means little… Pacquiao matches up with Floyd much better… Pac is the best matchup yet for Floyd… He’s the best matchup in the world for Floyd.

Posted November 26, 2013 12:19 am 


Adrian

“Just a boxing fan

Until the 2 greats meet inside the ring we will never really know. If we are true fans of the sport, we should all unite and ask/beg/force/coerce/shame/blackmail… do anything and everything for this epic fight to happen. FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT!!!!!!”

Great post from a true boxing fan!!!

Posted November 26, 2013 12:17 am 


Adrian

Example sredmond is one of those typical fanboys who constantly wants to tell us that nayweTher beats PAC and post against the fight for years , yet he pretends he wants to see them fight .sredmond post below “SREDMOND

When the “Going gets tough” Mayweather STILL wins… Shane buzzed him nice and Shane has stopped way more guys at 147 and 154 than PAC Man… Mayweather was pushing him back by the end of the round and abused him from then on… Pacquiao was put down 2x by single shots from Marquez who was embarrassed when he faced Floyd..”

As you see typical cherry pics arguments, he dosent mention one fact that while mayweather was almost ko’d by Mosley which PAC put the same Mosley down once and won all the rounds !!!

Sredmond if you like to see PAC vs mayweather fight then just say so and I you think mayweather beats him that’s fine but stop with the rethoric and cherry pic your arguments against the fights happening !

Posted November 26, 2013 12:15 am 


TARK

If the 3 knockdown rule was in effect Pacquiao would have been gone in the 1st round of the 1st Pacquiao fight… We would never have had any further fights between them…

As it is, Pacquaio won that fight because one judge miscalculated his score for the 1st round… He scored it 10-7 instead of 10-6 like he meant to score it and made the fight a draw … He made a basic math mistake, giving a point for each round instead of 2-points for the 1st knockdown… He admitted he flubbed it… Pac would be 3-1 in their 4-fight series if that mistake wasn’t made.

Because Marquez matches up so well with Pacquiao means little… Pacquiao matches up with Floyd much better… Pac is the best matchup yet for Floyd… He’s the best matchup in the world for Floyd.

Posted November 26, 2013 12:15 am 


Just a boxing fan

Until the 2 greats meet inside the ring we will never really know. If we are true fans of the sport, we should all unite and ask/beg/force/coerce/shame/blackmail… do anything and everything for this epic fight to happen. FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT!!!!!!

Posted November 26, 2013 12:14 am 


SREDMOND

Marquez hit PAC Man with that right hand consistently over 3 bouts that’s hwy we had a 4th…There was NOTHING lottery about it, PAC got careless against a STILL dangerous opponent and got walloped… Earlier in the bout Marquez put him down with a HARD right hand…. I hope they do fight but we have seen this before…Cotto bloodied Floyd’s nose ate 154 meanwhile the BEST JR MW in the World could not touch him, Mayweathers off nights are nothing compared to PAC against Marquez, Morales, Torrecampo, Singsurat… This is why Mayweather was Ring Champ at 154 and WW champ simultaneously while Pacs got no world titles at this point… I will believe this happens when they throw the first punch…

Posted November 26, 2013 12:12 am 


TARK

Floyd suffered a bloody nose and a few facial marks from Cotto… Floyd didn’t escape the Cotto fight unharmed… We know Floyd can be hit… So lets have him fight the best opponent out there.

Marquez landed a lottery shot… That happens in Boxing… Those early KO’s of Pac were body shots on a starving, skinny kid with no experience. Those body shots did no permanent damage to Pacquiao whatever. They were massive right hands on the left side of the liver. Punches like that happen, and your legs are gone for 5 to 40 seconds. Nobody ever heard from those guys ever again, because all they could do was fling a hard right hand.

That can happen to anybody. Especially a green kid.

Posted November 25, 2013 11:59 pm 


Adrian

I really hope a fight between Manny and Floyd happens so the consistent rhetoric between both groups of fans will finally have some merit.

Otherwise, it’s pointless guessing that won’t be proven right or wrong.

Because as much as the fans of both camps try to convince each other that their man would reign supreme in a head to head match-up, we really have no idea how the fight would eventually turn out.

Floyd has never fought a fighter like Manny Pacquiao, and the Pacman has never fought a fighter like Mayweather Jr.

There’s only one way to find out…that’s why they fight the fights!!

Great post Joseph !!!

I want nothing more then see PAC vs mayweather fight …!!!

But what I don’t want is some fanboy tell me who beats who and since he assumes so we must all exept it and tere is no need for them to fight ! !!!

Posted November 25, 2013 11:58 pm 


SREDMOND

When the “Going gets tough” Mayweather STILL wins… Shane buzzed him nice and Shane has stopped way more guys at 147 and 154 than PAC Man… Mayweather was pushing him back by the end of the round and abused him from then on… Pacquiao was put down 2x by single shots from Marquez who was embarrassed when he faced Floyd..

Posted November 25, 2013 11:53 pm 


SREDMOND

Cotto was also stronger at 154 facing a 35 year old FMJ….Cotto busted Mannys eardrum despite the beating he took… Floyd? Bloody nose no sweat!

Posted November 25, 2013 11:47 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, soooooooo if you ADMIT it was “a mismatch” why are you arguing with me about the true complexion of this REHAB bout… You are proving my point..!

Posted November 25, 2013 11:45 pm 


Hidalgo

“Guys are Cum Drunk because he won a showcase bout against a guy who was outboxed by Mike Alvarado of all people,”

LMAO! “Cum Drunk.” You speaking from personal experience, SRedmond?

Posted November 25, 2013 11:44 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, Cotto was a tough fight relatively speaking and Floyd STILL won a UD… PAC Mans “tough fights” can end in KO’s Marquez, Torrecampo and Singsurat… An off night for Floyd means a few rounds lost… Meanwhile Pacs one fight removed from getting KOed by a guy who despite his Greatness never beat another 147 pounder..

Posted November 25, 2013 11:43 pm 


TARK

Sredmond…, You damned right Pacquiao-Rios was a mismatch…

How many matches are there for an ATG like Manny Pacquiao??? ATG fighters don’t grow on trees and aren’t all in the 147-pound class.. At least Rios was a world champion, was bigger than Pacquiao, and was a relentless slugger with a chin that doesn’t quit… Rios was 31-1-1… How many guys did Ali fight who were far worse??? How many matches are there for an ATG like Manny Pacquiao???

After Floyd the list is pretty damned short.

Posted November 25, 2013 11:42 pm 


TARK

Let’s face it… Cotto was Floyd’s toughest fight by far… And Pacquiao is one HELL of a lot slicker, faster, and smarter than Cotto.

Posted November 25, 2013 11:33 pm 


TARK

Floyd was unmarked after the Zab fight???

What was that bung on his left cheek??? Floyd wasn’t unmarked after the Cotto fight.. Floyd looked like he was in a tough fight because that’s what it was.

It seems to me Pacquiao is a better boxer and puncher than Judah or Cotto.

Posted November 25, 2013 11:30 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark NOW you wanna sell Alvarado as anything but a banger with decent skills? Bredis Prescott almost had his face off before he stopped him..YOU called Rios vs Pacquiao “a mismatch” in one of your posts or do you deny? I know you wanna argue with me which is fine but we ALL know this was a REHAB bout and Rios was VERY limited… Again do you deny saying the bout was a mismatch??

Posted November 25, 2013 11:25 pm 


Hidalgo

“So then your saying what? Mayweather would lose to a more muscular Marquez? ”

Tomato Can, I don’t even know how you arrived at that conclusion after reading my post. So please, don’t put words in my mouth. I was responding to what Vivek wrote. I didn’t say anything about Mayweather fighting a bigger, more muscular Marquez.

Posted November 25, 2013 11:25 pm 


TARK

Sredmond.., “Pacquiao won a showcase bout against a guy who was outboxed by Mike Alvarado of all people.”

Right of all people… Especially When Alvarado was 33-1 with his only loss being to Rios by KO… What was slow, punchless Jake LaMotta’s record when he decked Sugar Ray Robinson for a 9-count and beat him by decision??? 30-5-2 against nondescript fighters… Oh BTW… LaMotta had 6 KO’s in those 37 fights, a real dangerous hitter.

Who did you expect Pac to fight after getting iced for 1000? Lucas Matthysse???

Posted November 25, 2013 11:18 pm 


SREDMOND

Zab Judah, got dominated by Floyd Mayweathet this is EASILY the saddest “beacon of hope” for Pacquiao I have heard… Mayweather was unmarked
And Zab was bleeding and retreating….Mayweathers gonna neutralize the shorter mans right hand and keep him at the right distance to take advantage of Pacs 5 inch deficit in reach…Floyd Mayweather is unlike anything Manny has ever seen, the closest to him was Marquez who beat Pacquiao down at 39, Pacs trainer and Promoter were both just discussing his retirement if he lost to Rios, talk about a crisis on confidence!!! Now because he beat Rios he’s a lock to beat Mayweather who Rios approximates in NO WAY?? Pacs been a wonderful fighter but he’s peaked already, whereas even 85% of Mayweather is producing stellar results… Canelo is WAYYYYYY better than Rios and would kill him in the ring at JR MW, meanwhile Floyd gave him a lesson he won’t soon forget… PAC has no hope..

Posted November 25, 2013 11:11 pm 


Boxtradamus

many looked great in the rios fight but he is not ready for floyd. floyd is the goat. if you dont like it suck my ass.

Posted November 25, 2013 11:09 pm 


TARK

Hey Hamster…, We all know you’re Hamster.. You’re as funny as Typhoon-Haiyan

Posted November 25, 2013 11:06 pm 


SREDMOND

At this point Father Time is the boxer most likely to defeat Floyd Mayweather, he’s gonna be 37 before his next bout and barely anyone remains undefeated as long as he has…Manny Pacquiao even with a couple year age advantage on Floyd is NOT the guy to do it… Guys are Cum Drunk because he won a showcase bout against a guy who was outboxed by Mike Alvarado of all people, we all know that Manny is technically and athletically much better than Rios who was ONLY strong…We have probably seen the best of Rios, he lost 2 fights in a row and guys at 147 are gonna further add to the mileage on him… I’m happy Manny won his REHAB fight, and if by some chance he and Floyd can connect I’m all for it… But it’s an anti-Climax because Pacquiaos gonna get soooooo badly outclassed that all we are gonna hear is “he woulda beat Floyd if it was 2010″ Pacquiao simply lacks the attributes to get Floyd, who is taller, longer, just as quick with a BETTER defense and timing…PAC would get figured out, frustrated and dominated especially because he’s no longer a finisher at 147 and has not been in YEARS….Pacquiao out box Mayweather over 12 rounds??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Posted November 25, 2013 11:01 pm 


TARK

Boxtra says.., “IF you’re waiting for Pacquiao to land a combination on Floyd you’d better bring your PILLOW, some cookies, and MILK.”

Pillows will be welcome… People need something to sit on.

All the sofas, chairs, and armrests will have lots of behinds on them.. So scatter a bunch of pillows out for the rest of your friends to sit on.. Cookies aren’t bad for the sweet tooth crowd—and lots of icecream—but pizza, chips, and beer are more like it… There won’t be much call for milk though.

And as for combinations from Pacquiao landing on Floyd??? He landed better combos on De La Hoya, Cotto, and Hatton than Floyd did.

Now DON’T say I’m picking Pac to win. Floyd will win. But will Pacquiao land combinations on Floyd??? HELL YEEESSSS!!! Did speedy southpaw Zab Judah land any combos on Floyd??? Of course Zab did. The difference is that Pacquiao is a lot smarter, more durable, is physically stronger, a better boxer, has more weapons … and punches a lot harder than Zab ever did.

Plus…Zab landed a pretty good left hook to the balls—and then a right hook to the brain stem … that was a combo… Got a real brawl going too.

Posted November 25, 2013 10:44 pm 


WhatsNextExcuse

Roach must have been ticked so bad to utter that word lol

Posted November 25, 2013 10:03 pm 


Neutral

I think it is an even fight, Mayweather knows what he is doing as a great boxer, but can he avoid enough of Pacquiao’s punches over 12 rounds, Mayweather won’t be doing his normal boxing, he will be avoiding the punches and will have to exchange, trade punches t defend, which might leave him open.

Posted November 25, 2013 10:00 pm 


Boxtradamus

NO one lands even ONE combination on Floyd throughout a whole 12 rd Fight. Why DO you think people fall to SLEEP??? IF you’re waiting for Pacquiao to land a combination on Floyd you’d better bring your PILLOW, some cookies, and MILK.

Posted November 25, 2013 9:53 pm 


Neutral

Pacquiao has got the speed as well, it won’t be one punch it will be few in a combination, very interesting fight now.

Posted November 25, 2013 9:47 pm 


Boxtradamus

People forget that Mosley is a Bigger Puncher than Pacquiao. Mosley has stopped 154 lbers but he couldn’t drop Floyd. Pacquiao’s knockout power maxes OUT at 140. He can’t drop Floyd and he can’t out Box him SO what’s the point???? He can’t even stop Bradley.

Posted November 25, 2013 9:34 pm 


te tumbo

HERRON, what was the equivalent of “Fn Mexican” that Steward used to disparage Harrison? in fact, what other than blatant bigotry would be the context for Roach to utter that phrase anywhere? i used to spend a lot more time in the less PC boxing gyms of the 80 and 90s and i don’t recall those types of challenges being spit around. your disengenuously comparing carrots and oranges, i.e., insults to bigotry, which is a couple notches below. in fact, Matt Barnes of the Clippers was recently in invovled in a controversy having to with his use of the double-g word ending in “a” on a tweet of his that was not used in the context of how Roach spit out “Fn Mexican”. i sincerely wonder how much “Hispanic pride” you can possibly have when you apologize for Roach using that language in that context.

Posted November 25, 2013 9:34 pm 


Neutral

Mayweather did well when he took that punch against Mosley, he was buzzed, he knew what he was doing though, right I just got caught, he knew what to do.

Posted November 25, 2013 9:26 pm 


Neutral

Pacquiao v Mayweather, the fight has got to be made, Pacquiao and Mayweather are great fighters, Pacquiao now looks like a very skilled fighter with punch power, Mayweather has to fight him now, it’s bigger now than it would of been in 2009-2010.

Posted November 25, 2013 9:18 pm 


Old Coot

When it comes to Marquez, this writer Vivek, is playing dumb, or he is not as astute a student of the the game as I thought…

First of all, as I said before, Cotto gave Mayweather, a bit of a scare that was too close for comfort… So you see Floyd immediately reverted to choosing opponents in Guerrero and the Alvarez who at least compared to the likes agile speedsters like himself, Manny or Cotto, are clearly relatively stationary lead footed opponents who Floyd knew neither could get to him like Cotto had…

And as for Marquez… Bradley vindicated my contention that if only Manny chose to use his superior, foot-speed, and angular attack, as Tim did, Marquez would be swinging at air, like he did against Floyd and Tim’s superior foot-work… Had Manny done that, he most likely would have closed the case on Juan, after their first fight, just as Floyd did…

And the reason is simple. Because Marquez, like Gatti, Guerreo and Alvarez, have little to no aptitude for coming forward against a speedster… All four can only counter or attack stationary offensive minded opponents… Or, those like Manny or Rios, who don’t mind getting hit to please the fans…

Thus Floyd who HATES getting hit not matter what the fans want, was easily able to keep his distance and use his reach to pot-shot an already slow-footed Marquez, who was also markedly slowed down by putting on ten pounds of muscle in less than 4 months, JUST as Floyd intentionally demanded in the contract… So by the time he got in the ring with Floyd, Marquez’ body STILL had not adjusted to his new muscle… And was slow as molasses.

However, years after Floyd, and by the time Marquez had fought Manny at 147 for the third time… Juan’s body had literally, YEARS to adjust to the new muscle. So he was faster than against Floyd.

And Floyd will never be willing to take 3 shots to counter Manny with 1, like Marquez is willing to do… And that is a problem for Floyd when facing Manny, who throws 70 to 90 mostly power shots in nearly every round, wherever there’s daylight!!

Posted November 25, 2013 9:12 pm 


WhatsNextExcuse

Ultimately, at the end of the day, Floyd is the one who will determine if the fight with Pacquiao happens or not. But seeing how Floyd has ducked Pacquiao so many times already, this will not happen because Floyd would rather hide behind Amir Khan and make him his excuse for not fighting Pacquiao.

Posted November 25, 2013 9:11 pm 


Joseph Herron

Tumbo: “It was in a boxing gym…end of story” really? i’ve never heard anyone spit out “F’n Mexican” to somebody’s face at any boxing gym i’ve been to(?)”

Then you haven’t been around guys like Emanuel Steward and Freddie Roach.

Like Alex Ariza said, “that’s the real Freddie Roach”. Emanuel used to light up his fighters…even at ringside while he was a spectator…lol

I was calling a fight card of his at Phechanga, and Emanuel belittled his Junior Middleweight Tony Harrison while he was in the ring in front of everyone. Jim Lampley was there and wasn’t shocked to hear that kind of drilling out of the Great Emanuel Steward.

Guys like Freddie and Emanuel have no filter and don’t put up with BS. They demand excellence and can’t mask their feelings to save their lives.

I really miss the late, great Emanuel Steward!!

Posted November 25, 2013 9:07 pm 


Old Coot

Hmmm… Funny how the defensive ‘GOAT’, feels he needs fake blood-tests to defeat who he called a quote- “Washed up, has-been” that his Floydiacs and Floydiots all insists, can’t hit him anyway… Ya know?! LOL! Floyd so full of doo-doo you gotta hold your nose around him!

Posted November 25, 2013 8:38 pm 


TARK

Zera…, You’re a little behind… Pacquiao conceded the money issue to Floyd a long time ago, saying, “Floyd deserves to get more money.”

There’s no issues left and the fight is as good as signed and sealed.

Posted November 25, 2013 8:01 pm 


Boxe0

A guy that would beat Floyd is a southpaw so he can’t use that L defense and one w/ great stamina and footwork because Floyd will turn you over all night and if you can’t catch up you’ll get popped. I’m not sure Manny still has the Stamina to move all night but for sure he can’t KO Floyd… very hard to hit him flush. Besides Manny is a 140 guy fighting at 147. Floyd is a full 147.

Posted November 25, 2013 7:53 pm 


zera

FMJ and MP are both ATG’s sad truth is, they both don’t want to fight, i mean… Arum don’t like Mayweather to expose his cash cow, and i Know MP would like to fight FMJ but he can’t cause he is with Arum,

in order for this fight to be made, MP must dump Arum, switch to Golden Boy, then let the negotiation begin, and it must be 45-45 split and the 10 should go to the winner, with that being said it is already fair and square.

About the Drug testing, i guess MP now made a point, he is willing to be tested Day in or Day out, i guess this should not be a problem anymore right? hope you all agree with me with this.

As for the fight… in this stage of they’re respected careers, i think FMJ still has the upper hand, defensive wise FMJ is on another level, i respect both of them, and i’m a fan of both (more of a fan of MP) but FMJ truly is a genius when it comes to setting up traps and defending, but in order not to spoil the fight, both of them could make it a blockbuster fight.

Posted November 25, 2013 7:52 pm 


TARK

Te Tumbo says.., “TARK, i didn’t notice any stamina issues with Rios. he remained dangerous until the final bell.”

Of course he was dangerous until the final bell… If Pacquiao fk’d up for a second he could have lost—but that was a remote, lottery-shot possibility.

If you’re not doing much but taking punches you probably have stamina issues. If you’re making a weak effort and fall way behind, you’re probably having stamina issues. If you’re a world-championship caliber fighter—and somebody is out-punching you by an outrageous margin, you probably have stamina issues.

And if you can’t mount a late charge when you’re 10,000,000 miles behind—and a victory would mean $10,000,000.00 extra dollars for your next fight??? You DEFINITELY have massive stamina issures … Pacquiao was a whirlwind and Brandon was too pooped to pop.

Posted November 25, 2013 7:49 pm 


te tumbo

there isn’t a whirlwind or typhoon Pacquiao’s* size that can toucy the bigger Floyd who would keep them at arm’s distance with his jab and tee-off with everything else before overwhelming them with a speedy, precise, stinging, and stunning two-fisted assault. a 100% Martinez would’ve given Mayweather problems. he’s got the size, power, and speed and he’s also not the type of conventional fighter that Floyd can simply prepare for. however, i consider that to be Floyd’s call. IMO, it’s unreasonable to expect Floyd to seek out bigger fighters in higher weight-classes until he’s finally defeated. his standing-concession of fighting at 147lbs is good-faith action enough on behalf of the sport’s competitiveness.

Posted November 25, 2013 7:49 pm 


te tumbo

there isn’t a whirlwind or typhoon Pacquiao’s* size that can even reach the bigger Floyd who would keep them at arms distance with is jab and tee-off with everthing else before overwhelming them with a speedy, precise, stinging, and stunning two-fisted assault. a 100% Martinez would’ve given Mayweather fits. he’s got the size, power, and speed and he’s also not the type of conventional fighter that Floyd can simply prepare for. however, i consider that to be Floyd’s call. IMO, it’s unreasonable to expect Floyd to seek out bigger fighters in higher weight-classes until he’s finally defeated. his standing-concession of fighting at 147lbs is good-faith action enough on behalf of the sport’s competitiveness.

Posted November 25, 2013 7:39 pm 


Tomato Can

I’d love to see it Tark, if the fight happens ill take Mayweather 9-3 with the possibility of a late tko, bobble head style….

Posted November 25, 2013 7:32 pm 


TARK

Tomato Can says.., “The style that’ll beat Mayweather is a lengthy boxer/puncher with an excellent jab.”

So if Corrales had a better jab he would have beaten Floyd??? … NOPE!!!

The best style for Floyd is a great attacker with power in both hands and terrific hand speed.. You need to overwhelm Floyd’s defenses by throwing a blizzard of punches.. A southpaw Roberto Duran would be good—but a guy with a more mental acuity and a more mental discipline in getting the job done… Somebody who wouldn’t get discouraged and say “NO MAS.”

Somebody like Manny Pacquaio.

Again, this is not me picking Pacquiao to win… But he’s a tough mother for Floyd.

Posted November 25, 2013 7:20 pm 


Tomato Can

Te tumbo, thanks and agreed…

Posted November 25, 2013 7:15 pm 


te tumbo

TARK, i didn’t notice any stamina issues with Rios. he remained dangerous until the final bell and was most competitive in the final rounds. it was Pacquiao* who “ran like a coward” and refused to engage. anyway, i consider any fighter who can’t even make the the maximum weight as a fighter who is fighting beyond his optimal fighting weight. this is the primary reason that Pacquiao* must carefully select his opponents for fatal flaws that he can exploit with his quick featherweight feet and hands. it’s also the reason why despite being known as a powerpuncher, Pacquiao* has not actually ended a bout before the final bell since 2009. Rios is tough but he was stung and buckled by Alvarado. conversely, Pacquiao* landed some very clean shots that had no visible effect on Rios. IMO, Pacquiao* shouldn’t be fighting above lightweight but since enormous and only enormous profits is his primary career objective, he’s not gonna make that kind of money below welterweight.

Posted November 25, 2013 7:14 pm 


te tumbo

TOMATO CAN, excellent post! the styles and size matchup are always factors but they are magnified when Mayweather becomes part of the equation. fight-fans can make it simple on themselves by elevating Mayweather to his own unique category or they can engage in labored speculation and over-analysis as if Mayweather were just another great fighter. He’s Not. he’s an active great and #1 P4P. only Ward brings a comparable package of unique skills, talent, resilience, and competitive determination to a boxing ring. Floyd is also deceptively strong for his size. i’ve Seen the frustration of presumably bigger fighters making the mistake of trying to manhandle Mayweather. Hell(?!), Canelo outweighed him by 15lbs and Mayweather still looked and fought like the bigger fighter in the ring(?!). some of us are fortunate enough to appreciate his greatness as it unfolds. others will have to wait for their kids or grandkids to hip them to Mayweather’s ATGreatness.

Posted November 25, 2013 7:06 pm 


Sheriff Joe’s chicken

I disagree. The only one that would beat Mayweather is a FAST and QUICK POWER puncher with a good jab. Pacquioa comes close but he WONT get past Mayweather’s defense.

Posted November 25, 2013 7:01 pm 


te tumbo

“It was in a boxing gym…end of story” really? i’ve never heard anyone spit out “F’n Mexican” to somebody’s face at any boxing gym i’ve been too(?). in fact, Leary’s response is all you need to realize just how offensive Roach’s outburst was, which is all that counts NOT the passive compliance of apologists or (as we’ve seen on these ESB threads) the enthusiastic approval of anonymous bigots. fact of the matter is that the tone and context of Roach’s outburst left no doubt about the bigotry he was expressing. i realize that you may have to preserve your access to jerks like Roach but i’m under no such restriction and feel zero impulse to rationalize what was nothing less than an outburst of bigotry by the “F’n Irishman”.

Posted November 25, 2013 6:59 pm 


Tomato Can

So then your saying what? Mayweather would lose to a more muscular Marquez? I would give Marquez a great shot at beating Mayweather too, if Mayweather lunged and leaped in with punches time after time. Fact is no form of Marquez would fair well against Mayweather. Pacquiao would have a better chance, but he’d eat a lot of leather trying… The style that’ll beat Mayweather is a lengthy boxer/puncher with an excellent jab… That’s not Manny Pacquiao… But hey if it happens, it should be interesting anyways…

Posted November 25, 2013 6:56 pm 


Hidalgo

“Andre Ward at Floyd-Canelo weighin.., “Canelo looks really bad.. He looks weak.”

I liked your description of Canelo better, Tark: “Parched.”

Posted November 25, 2013 6:51 pm 


TARK

Te Tumbo.., “Pacquiao* remains a pumped-up featherweight.”

No he’s not… He’s a natural welterweight now and so is Floyd

Pac is no more a featherweight than Floyd is a super-featherweight. Pacquiao was entering the ring at 143 when he fought at 130. But for this fight Pacquiao had one HELL of a lot more energy and endurance than Rios — and a lot of that was because he had no weight worries like Rios had.

Your body won’t react the same exact way to dehydrating 15 pounds for every fight. At some point your body rebels—when you least expect it. It will flat out refuse to give up more pounds. You’ll pass out in the sauna. You’ll faint dead away … Pacquiao and Floyd don’t have to worry about that any more… Floyd hasn’t had worry about that since the Marquez fight. That’s a load off Floyd’s mind … and Pacquiao’s too.

Andre Ward at Floyd-Canelo weighin.., “Canelo looks really bad.. He looks weak.”

Posted November 25, 2013 6:48 pm 


Hidalgo

“When Mayweather took a version of Marquez that many critics called a “blown up” version (at 147lbs) and shut him out. That same “blown up Marquez” stopped Pacquiao after going blood and guts in a 3rd encounter, as well.

This isn’t true at all. Marquez had never fought as a welterweight–not even as a jr. welterweight before he took on Floyd at the welterweight level, and he went back to the lightweight level after fighting Floyd.

Furthermore, by the time Marquez fought Manny a third time which was his second foray into the welterweight division and more than two years after fighting Mayweather, he had hired Heredia as his S&C coach, and he put on a lot of muscle and bulk and in doing so, increased his speed and power as well. By their 4th fight, Marquez was fully developed as Heredia wanted him to be and that’s why he was able to knock Manny out cold.

Marquez first fought Pacquiao as a featherweight, then as a super featherweight. Marquez was “blown up” only for his fight with Mayweather. After his embarrassing loss to Floyd he and Beristain realized that if Juan was going to fight as a legitimate welterweight he’d have to become one –something he wasn’t even close to being when he fought Mayweather.

Posted November 25, 2013 6:40 pm 


Caper

Come on te tumbo you know damn well you hover around 5 foot 10 while claiming 6 feet and weigh around 200lbs but claim 180 of solid tex mex muscle. Lol! How you been you crazy old Chicano?

Posted November 25, 2013 6:24 pm 


Caper

Seriously who doesn’t love a good manny pacman fight, he looked awesome. That being said I’m still shocked at the amount of folks that think he mauls Floyd into submission?!? I fail to find any evidence that supports the theory that Floyd losses his 0 to pacman. It would obviously be quite an entertaining bout….I don’t have the patience to drill down to a grandular and well detailed justification for my thoughts other than mentioning the fact that manny is still a whirlwind of offense and the only way to crack the Floyd puzzle is to become an opportunistic counter puncher that forces him to initiate an exchange. Zab found success with this, Hoya found success with this, Luis and Cotto also had their moments with this. Patience and calculated risks surrounding a well timed jab which unfortunately is not one of the great pacmans strongest attributes. Peace

Posted November 25, 2013 6:20 pm 


SREDMOND

Problem for PAC Man vs Mayweather is that he would need to accomplish something he’s consistently failing to do at 147, which is stop boxers.. I know guys have this dream of Mayweather helplessly on the ropes letting PAC Man with his 5 inch deficit in reach pummel him with no counters but that’s simply NOT gonna happen… Marquez limited Mannys output and Floyd would FURTHER limit it and be far more clinical and precise than JMM with his countershots…PAC Mans no longer a finisher, and that was his one chance against Floyd, at the end of a 12 round bout Mannys losing via UD…

Posted November 25, 2013 5:40 pm 


B Red

Tark is a fool, Rios is a human punching bag

Posted November 25, 2013 5:36 pm 


dtoyS

135 pounds Rios last two fights were at 140 pounds and yes he looked bad fighting his first fight at 147 against Manny BUT Bradley who is a seasoned experience 147 pounder looked WORST against Manny and WON…..at leats 140 pounds Alvarado rock and wobble Rios in the rematch, Manny just looked good with his speed and that’s it, Manny should be thankful that it wasn’t 40 year old Marquez instead of Rios.

Posted November 25, 2013 5:27 pm 


Joseph Herron

Hecdog: “Joseph, do you think this fight will happen?”

With pressure from Showtime after his next PPV with Khan under performs, i do believe there is a good chance in September. Top Rank is going to do what’s best for Top Rank…that means they don’t have any loyalty to HBO or any other network.

Pacman has been on Showtime before…they have no problems placing Pacquiao on Showtime again.

It’s entirely up to Floyd Mayweather.

Posted November 25, 2013 5:23 pm 


Hec Dog

Manny Pacquiao would not only be Floyd’ toughest test, he would beat him. Trust me on this. He has all the tools to beat him and more. By the way, are we ever going to hear from Floyd? He doesn’t want Manny at all.

Posted November 25, 2013 5:21 pm 


SREDMOND

Pacquiao is NOT the toughest guy for Mayweather Tark… It would take a fighter above 147 pounds to have a chance against even the version of Mayweather who defeated Canelo with EASE…Pacquiao is not punching hard enough at 147 to stop Mayweather with a single shot (laughable) he is NOT a better boxer… Jumping around side to side and darting in on a guy like Riow who has SLOW HANDS, Poor Technique, and lead feet… Floyd’s one of the best defenders in history and Mannys hittable, short and not gonna enjoy his usual advantage in speed… The Blueprint to beat PAC Man is well known, watch the Marquez bouts and amplify, Floyd Mayweather is 3x the fighter the Great Marquez is that’s why he WHITEWASHED him and Pacquiao has suffered… It would be nice to see the fight made and all the chatter laid to rest, but the notion that PacMan coming off beating a terribly slow Rios has some attribute that Floyd cannot deal with makes me chuckle…

Posted November 25, 2013 5:16 pm 


Hec Dog

Joseph Herron, I do think Floyd has tremendous talent, and of course he does have a heart to fight anyone, which make me wonder that much more what the reason is for not fighting Manny. It’s not the money. It’s not the drug testing. This leave one of two things, he is either afraid of losing a fight or he has such disdain for Bob Arum. Even if this is true, he needs to put that aside because Arum will always be making money with or without him. The people have been clamoring for this fight for years, and Floyd came up with excuses. This fight is 5 years too late if it ever happen, but the cloud of fear will always loom around Floyd Mayweather for not making this fight happen. Joseph, do you think this fight will happen?

Posted November 25, 2013 5:13 pm 


Joseph Herron

Tumbo, I almost forgot to address your “Roach slur” that took place the week of the fight.

It was in a boxing gym…end of story.

For anyone who has spent a considerable amount of time with any trainer in the gym, that was the “Rated G” version.

I’m truly convinced that the episode with Ariza, Roach, and Garcia was allowed to happen by Top Rank. Where was the reps of Top Rank when that happened? Why did the two camps’ schedules overlap like that with the media present?

It no surprise that Top Rank and HBO was nervous about how the PPV would sell without the huge free publicity they’ve come to expect before a Pacman fight in attendance.

They got their last minute free press before the event. Coincidence? I don’t think so.

Posted November 25, 2013 5:06 pm 


Joseph Herron

Te Tumbo: “you still didn’t address Marquez being deprived of the chance to finally dictate terms for a 5th matchup or Roach’s bigoted outburst? perhaps you can tap into your “hispanic” pride to do so(?). or are you simply grateful that they let you into the boxing venue as something other than a paying fight-fan?”

LOL…I love reading your posts, Tumbo!!

Where do I start? I will address each question or accusation in the order in which you listed them.

As long as Pacquiao remains the bigger box office draw, Manny will continue to dictate the terms of their match-ups…boxing is a business. And as long as the JMM/Pacquiao rivalry makes dollars, and both men remain competitive, we will continue to see their bouts together.

What I said about Mexicanos and their favorite sports franchises and athletes, it’s 100% true.

Think about your boy, JMM. For years Mexican fight fans didn’t want to get behind this guy because he didn’t fight like a Chavez Sr, Erik Morales, or Salvador Sanchez. He actually boxed his opponents from mid to long range and wasn’t an effective aggressor. As a result, Mexican fight fans kept him at arms length for the majority of his career.

Why are they just getting behind him now? Because he stood up to the “Mexican Assassin” and finally got the better of him. But not before then.

I get this a lot from my close friends who like to call me a coconut…white on the inside, brown on the outside…lol

Largely because I view sports without bias. I pretty much have to, brother. But, I get drilled on a regular basis from my buds because I don’t break out the pom poms. lol

Posted November 25, 2013 4:51 pm 


Joseph Herron

Hec Dog, I think what separates fighters like Manny Pacquiao, JMM, and Floyd Mayweather from most is their genuine physical and mental toughness.

It’s a big misconception that Floyd doesn’t have the stones to fight a guy like Manny Pacquiao out of fear.

Floyd doesn’t get the credit he deserves for being as tough as he is in the gym and in the ring. Make no mistake about it, Floyd is a fighter.

I’m truly convinced that Floyd just doesn’t like the idea of his name and persona making his former boss any more money. I really don’t know why he has such a severe dislike for Bob Arum, but the thought of making the Bobinator more money really turns Floyd’s stomach.

Without saying too much, I know for a fact that he’s not the only former employee who feels the same way about Bob Arum.

Posted November 25, 2013 4:24 pm 


te tumbo

Props to ESB moderators for finally slapping a muzzle on Public Nuisance. how many more message boards was he going to be allowed to sabotage with impunity? Good Riddance.

Posted November 25, 2013 4:23 pm 


te tumbo

Thanks for the response Herron but you still didn’t address Marquez being deprived of the chance to finally dictate terms for a 5th matchup or Roach’s bigoted outburst? perhaps you can tap into your “hispanic” pride to do so(?). or are you simply grateful that they let you into the boxing venue as something other than a paying fight-fan? those are the double-standards that this proud Chicano utterly rejects and i applaud Marquez for being no less proud or egotistical than Mayweather or Pacquiao*. after all, he’s fought them both and literally FLATTENED one.

Posted November 25, 2013 4:21 pm 


Boxe0

But we all know it will never happen because of their promotional outfits. Floyd makes more money not fighting Pacquiao in the past I’m not sure if that is still the case w/ the available competition today under GB. Maybe it will happen but it won’t be as anticipated as it once was.

Posted November 25, 2013 4:20 pm 


Hec Dog

Manny Pacquiao is a great fighter, no doubt about it. I still don’t think Floyd will even consider fighting Manny Pacquiao because he won’t take a chance on losing a fight. Imagine what he would be like if he lost to Manny. The bridges would have to be guarded. Manny has all the elements to beat Floyd, and IMO, he will. Marquez was asked who is faster and stronger. Answer Manny Pacquiao. Imagine Floyd having to fight a seasoned, stron willed southpaw boxer that has faster hands, feet and more power. This would be a stylistic nightmare for Floyd, and he’s not willing to take the chance. Floyd has to overcome his fear and dislike for Arum in order to make this fight happen. Floyd’s ego will not allow this. Manny also sued him for character assassination after Floyd and hi camp were telling everyone he was on peds. The case was settled out of court, and Floyd and his camp had to apologize, which was a blow to Floyd’s ego, and one that he won’t forget. Floyd has to put all these things aide. The ball i in hi court, and so far, we hear nothing. IMO, it’s not going to happen becaue of Floyd Mayweather.

Posted November 25, 2013 4:12 pm 


Joseph Herron

Very good post, TARK.

Manny remains the best possible fight for Floyd Mayweather Jr.

The style match-up has the most intrigue, and the marketability exceeds every other available opponent.

Posted November 25, 2013 4:07 pm 


Joseph Herron

Tumbo,

It’s really me…the only reason why I say this is after years and years of observing Mexican sports fans up close and personal…from the Dallas Cowboys to Marco Antonio Barrera.

Going back to the JMM/Pacquiao situation, if Pac can’t land the Mayweather fight next year, the next biggest money fight for him will be a fifth fight with Juan Manuel Marquez.

Pacquiao doesn’t turn down fights. A lot like Miguel Cotto when fighting under the Top Rank banner, Pacquiao fights whoever Bob Arum places in front of him.

And if it continues to be Pacman’s biggest money option in 2014, No. 5 will indeed happen.

Posted November 25, 2013 4:04 pm 


te tumbo

TARK, despite his talent, Pacquiao* remains a pumped-up feather who simply can’t dominate or seriously threaten a full-fledged welter like Floyd. at this point, time is the enemy of both fighters whose respective primes must be judged on a fight-by-fight basis. IN their respective primes? a lopsided, anti-climactic decision in Floyd’s favor. in fact, it would’ve been a cruel and merciless clinic by Mayweather along the lines of Chavez v. Rosario v. Camacho but even more impressive. bottomline, Mayweather can exceed, neutralize, or counter every thing that Pacquiao* brings to the ring. it was always a promotional matchup and with severe dent on Pacquiao’s* mug, it’s lost it’s competitive appeal. at this point, posterity is the only reason that could make this matchup even remotely appealing but you’re right in the sense that Pacquiao* is as good and more marketable tas any other opponent they could find for Mayweather but it must be on Mayweather’s terms.

Posted November 25, 2013 4:04 pm 


TARK

Pacquiao is the toughest conceivable opponent for Mayweather for many reasons… His tricky southpaw style which limits the shoulder roll… his speed… his fast feet… his footwork and angles of attack… his withering punching power… his physical strength… his mental acuity… his 12-round durability… his size—because he won’t be weight drained—all combine to make Pac Floyd’s most formidable opponent.

DON’T claim I picked Pac to beat Floyd… I think Floyd will win… But Pacquiao has the best chance of anyone in the world to beat a 37-year-old Mayweather… At this point I would make the odds 9:5 in favor of Floyd, but I expect to tighten the odds closer to the fight. Pacquiao was the most intense boxer I’ve ever seen for the Rios camp—and I want to see if that holds true for the Floyd fight as well.

Uninformed pundits keep calling Brandon Rios a punching bag. Rios was 31-1-1 with KO victories over significant opponents.

Had Rios defeated Pacquiao, it would NOT have been as big an upset as Ken Norton Beating Muhammad Ali — Buster Douglas beating Mike Tyson — or Jake LaMotta beating Sugar Ray Robinson.. LaMotta was a poor boxer.. LaMotta was slow and hittable—like Rios—but lacked Brandon’s KO power.

LaMotta had an iron chin like Rios. Jake was 30-5-2 prior to scoring the upset over Robinson, who was 40-0 at the time. LaMotta was a light hitter, with only 6 KO’s in his first 37 fights—however he put Robinson down for a 9-count and Ray was saved by the bell. In their next fight LaMotta put Robinson down for another 9-count but lost the decision.

LaMotta had no other significant wins before beating Robinson. Going into his fight with Manny Pacquiao, Rios scored victories over Anthony Peterson 30-0… John Murray 31-1… and Mike Alvarado… 33-0.

Posted November 25, 2013 3:53 pm 


te tumbo

Btw, the Marquez v. Bradley bout was close and a Draw on my scorecard. Marquez won rounds 1, 6, and 9,10,11, and 12. it wasn’t a robbery but you’d think that just once the Mexican legend would get the benefit of the doubt, which Marquez never has.

Posted November 25, 2013 3:52 pm 


te tumbo

nobody can deny that Marquez was primarily responsible for his prolonged rivalry v. Pacquiao*. he confidently followed Pacquiao’s* footsteps and left bigger footprints on top as a result of not having the option of ducking or avoiding risky opponents. he unified at lightweight (which Pacquiao* essentially leap-frogged) and accepted Pacquiao’s* conditions to make II, III, and IV happen. Team Pacquiao* was always quite transparent about the fact that they wished Marquez would simply go away but he didN’T. he maintained hot-pursuit and against all odds, secured a fourth and final bout v. Pacquiao* who was desperate for a marketable opponent and to remove the stench of the scorecard robbery of III. if Pacquiao* had only prevailed with a convincing scorecard win like he did v. Rios, he wouldn’t consider ever facing Marquez again. fortunately, Marquez scored the DEVASTATING KO victory and literally erased Manny* from the P4P rankings. Manny* either accepts the 40-year-old Marquez’s terms for a 5th matchup, or the “Get Crackin” logo will be the lasting image of their completed rivalry.

Posted November 25, 2013 3:48 pm 


Boxe0

TwoPIece: Its an Idiom

Posted November 25, 2013 3:43 pm 


te tumbo

i detect the stench of P-U, which makes it possible that he’s multiposting as Herron(?). another boxing thread flushed down the crapper . . .

Posted November 25, 2013 3:38 pm 


te tumbo

i detect the stench of P-U, which makes it possible that he’s multiposting as Herron(?). another boxing thread gone to sh*t.

Posted November 25, 2013 3:37 pm 


te tumbo

i detect the stench of Douch*bag, which makes it possible that he’s multiposting as Herron(?). another boxing thread gone to sh*t.

Posted November 25, 2013 3:36 pm 


te tumbo

i detect the stench of Douchebag, which makes it possible that he’s multiposting as Herron(?). another boxing thread gone to sh*t.

Posted November 25, 2013 3:35 pm 


Joseph Herron

Yup, Public Enemy…it’s embarrassing. I lost a lot of respect for Marquez after he lost to Tim Bradley this year.

Just take it like a man, brother!! Just take losing like a man!! It’s part of boxing. At the world class level, you win some and you lose some.

Have we ever heard Marquez admit to a loss without crying like a sore loser?

You didn’t hear Manny cry about get jobbed by the judges when he fought Tim Bradley. At this level, more is expected from the legitimate stars of the sport.

Posted November 25, 2013 3:34 pm 


te tumbo

HERRON, that’s a hysterical overreaction to a completely NON-race-related observation. you didn’t even address the fact that Pacquiao* is still trying to dictate unfavorable terms following all of the concessions Marquez had to make to even score a second bout NOT a rematch. moreover, you seem to forget that it was Team Pacquiao* who confidently asserted IV as the “bout to answer all questions and remove all doubts”. if they still have doubts, they should receiprocate with whatever reasonable conditions Maquez demands and consider themselves lucky for the opportunity. otherwise, as a proud “hispanic”, you should be tired of the double-standard of “hispanics” being grateful for whatever they receive and never try to assert a superior negotiating hand. even AFter they’ve thoroughly and utterly defeated the competition. Get Over Yourself and stop trying to make this an ethnic conflict. Btw, if you were so proud, you would also have the courage to express outrage at Roach’s bigoted outburst. or would you consider it acceptable if i referred to Pacquiao* and Roach as that “F’n Filipino” and “F’n Irishman” from now on?

Posted November 25, 2013 3:34 pm 


Joseph Herron

Te Tumbo,

That’s ridiculous…what it sounds like your saying regarding JMM and Pac, let’s fight until the conclusion comes out my way, then there’s no reason to fight ever again.

Judging by the way most Mexican sports fans are…in soccer and boxing, that wouldn’t surprise me.

I’m a proud Hispanic man, and it embarrasses me to see what sore losers and bad winners most Mexicanos are when watching sports!!

Posted November 25, 2013 3:23 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Correcting: I don’t think Rios is that bad or Pac is back to his prime.

Posted November 25, 2013 3:23 pm 


Fight Aficionado

I don’t think Rios is that bad or Pac is back to his crime. Fact is Rios was always too slow for Pac’s speed and his only chance at a win was if Pac’s chinny. That was the risk because lots of guys get KTFO and are never the same. What we found out is Pac’s not shot and Rios is still slow.

Posted November 25, 2013 3:21 pm 


te tumbo

Btw, any news on the test results from Pacquiao* v. Rios? does anybody even care?

Posted November 25, 2013 3:19 pm 


te tumbo

Pacquiao* proved that he’s better than Rios and that’s it. although i wonder about Rios’ reluctance to throw the one-punch that Pacquiao* has consistently vulnerable too, which is the right hand. reminds of the therapeutic sling Rios was wearing in the 24/7 episode. meanwhile, there is no “unfinished business” between Marquez and Pacquiao*. Marquez defeated Pacquiao* on Pacquiao’s* terms while also defying the confident claims and predictions from Team Pacquiao* about Manny’s* superior preparation v. an “older” and “slower” Marquez. the only unfinished business is Pacquiao’s* fanboys wanting a chance to erase the nightmare image of Juan’s “desired result”, which is unlikely. Pacquiao* won’t agree to Marquez’s purse-split or choice of location and i can’t fathom a single reason why Marquez would agree to Pacquiao’s* conditions. after all, Marquez who DEMOLISHED Pacquiao*. not the other way around.

Posted November 25, 2013 3:18 pm 


Joseph Herron

I really hope a fight between Manny and Floyd happens so the consistent rhetoric between both groups of fans will finally have some merit.

Otherwise, it’s pointless guessing that won’t be proven right or wrong.

Because as much as the fans of both camps try to convince each other that their man would reign supreme in a head to head match-up, we really have no idea how the fight would eventually turn out.

Floyd has never fought a fighter like Manny Pacquiao, and the Pacman has never fought a fighter like Mayweather Jr.

There’s only one way to find out…that’s why they fight the fights!!

Posted November 25, 2013 3:00 pm 


SREDMOND

How is Mayweather “Unbeaten in the short term” the guy turned pro 17 years ago and has managed this feat from 21-37?????? What’s the “long term” 65 years old??? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Posted November 25, 2013 2:49 pm 


Two Piece

Who faught everyone?

Posted November 25, 2013 2:46 pm 


Boxe0

Being unbeaten could be interpreted as greatness in the short term but for those who have been around when the fanboys are no longer around to apologize for their idol and manufacture his legacy people will look at his resume and see he didn’t fight everyone…

Posted November 25, 2013 2:37 pm 


steve w

one thing Floyd will not enjoy is pacquiaos foot and handspeed…and he creates angles…say wht you want but there is a reason why Floyd is worried about pacquiao and that’s speed and being a southpaw….canelo had no footspeed and was always one step behind mayweather.. mayweather will not have all the advantages that he is use to and he knows that….naysaying pacquiao will beat him…..but he is by far the hardest fight for mayweather and at least pacquiao is willing to fight him…and for me its still a mega fight and dwarf the canelo fight…..just get the fight made for all of us….I like a pacquiao a lot because he is fearless…that’s what boxing is about…bragging rights

Posted November 25, 2013 1:49 pm 


Tachyon

Good post Sredmond!!

Posted November 25, 2013 12:56 pm 


SREDMOND

We can go back and forth all day, the truth is that Manny Pacquiao has been broken and defeated in the ring and Floyd Mayweather NEVER has…PAC Mans been an awesome fighter but he was quoted as saying “if you don’t wanna lose or get stopped, don’t box” he has been shown that someone was better EARLY and late in his career having suffered 3 losses via stoppage… Mayweather has NEVER been legitimately off his feet and the guy is 37 in a couple months…Sooner or later, Floyd will lose if he keeps fighting the guys on the wrong side of 35, that said 85% of FMJ has proven to be unbeatable over the course of 5 weight classes, 4 Lineals, 20 plus World Title fights…PAC man cannot boast this despite his own ATG credentials, he has doubts whereas Mayweather has none because he never allowed his confidence nor his chin to be shattered…

Posted November 25, 2013 12:34 pm 


Titopa

Pacquiao WILL NOT and CANNOT beat Floyd Mayweather….Pac needs guys who stand there and take shots in order to look good, Bradley made him look bad and Marquez…well, you know what happened. They’re not stupid, they knew their best bet was a guy who would stand there and be willing to trade punches, that’s GREAT for Pac…and throughout the camp, everyone totally admitted their “choice” in Rios was specifically for that VERY reason, Rios is willing to get hit.

Posted November 25, 2013 12:29 pm 


SREDMOND

Haimats analysis is emotional based ie. “look at Judah vs Mayweather” Ok what happened?? Judah had a few decent minutes then he was walked down, stalked, bloodied, mocked and lost a wide UD…But look at the stylistic nightmare that a counterpuncher like Marquez presented against Pacquaio, we had 3 SUPER close bouts, the third one many thought JMM and a 4th where Pacquiao was gutted like a fish… Who’s style presented more of an issue for whom? Would you rather have been Mayweather after the Judah fight or Pacquaio after the third and certainly the 4th Marquez bout?? There are always gonna be a FEW DUMMIES who because of their passions will argue that getting knocked cold trumps a UD but this is not real life…

Posted November 25, 2013 12:26 pm 


Delk1

HAIMAT said

Styles make fights and Pac’s style is all wrong for Mayweather. He’s a fast southpaw with a furious footwork. Watch what Judah did to a prime Floyd the first 3 rounds. I’d like to see it!

Delk1
What happen the last 9 rounds? LOL If you are going to use Jab as a measuring stick then I guess all Floyd has to do to Mannny is the same thing the did to JAB in the last 9 rounds. LMAO!!. Mayweather WINS. LOL

Posted November 25, 2013 12:10 pm 


Yellow Chump

Flomo logic.

Never failed a test non black fighter is a PED cheat.

Black fighters who have tested positive aren’t cheats and we love them to death.

Posted November 25, 2013 11:50 am 


Yellow Chump

Vivek like most Flomos is a racist asswipe masquerading as a boxing fan. He’s a giant hypocrite who has waged a protracted vendetta against the never failed a test Pac-man, accusing him of being dirty at every opportunity that does and does not present itself whilst openly gulping down the nut juice of proven black PED cheats like Roid Jones, who in his own words he is an enormous fan of, both the man and the fighter. He also admonishes Pac-man for not taking the test while given Andre Ward a free pass for doing the exact same for 4 of his fights.

Posted November 25, 2013 11:48 am 


Yellow Chump

So according to the Flomos Pac-man was obviously on PEDs during his prime because he couldn’t stop Rios?? Hmmm.. Interesting. So I guess the same applies to Roid Jones who not only DID test positive for ANABOLIC STEROIDS and to anybody with half a brain cell in their head was CLEARLY on PEDs all throughout his prime, but his form also ever so coincidentally took a massive nosedive at exactly the same time the Balco scandal broke and more stringent PED testing procedures were introduced.

Roid won a MD over Antonio Tarver and subsequently went on to lose his next 3 fights. I wonder what the Flomos will have to say about that. That was a rhetorical question. I mean we all know how they chop and change their opinions to suit the racial agenda.

Posted November 25, 2013 11:38 am 


demigawd

“one could argue with great success that his power is not quite the same. I won’t openly entertain why that may be”

hahaha. that was such a transparent line it’s almost comical.

Posted November 25, 2013 11:27 am 


Haimat

Styles make fights and Pac’s style is all wrong for Mayweather. He’s a fast southpaw with a furious footwork. Watch what Judah did to a prime Floyd the first 3 rounds. I’d like to see it!

Posted November 25, 2013 11:11 am 


Whocares

The Marquez who fought Mayweather* was overweight, the Marquez fighting Pacquiao in his last fight had much more muscles, can’t compare those two. Although, Mayweather would have easily beaten version 2 IMO as well.
Of course, PAC does have a chance against Mayweather*. He would be the underdog, but he will catch Mayweather with a combination or two during the fight, something that Mayweather is not used to. His chin will be tested.
Mayweather* does not have the punch to knockout Pacquiao, unless Pac’s chin indeed softened up after the Marquez fight.
These are two legends that we want to see fighting, we don’t really know what will happen until it happens. However, I agree the potshotting Mayweather* would be the favorite to win the fight…

Posted November 25, 2013 11:03 am 


lrfhook

Flydog,,, good post man! Adrian don’t even respond to that attention seeking clown!

Posted November 25, 2013 10:25 am 


flydog

btw, the Rocky IV reference was just a bit of a joke!!!

Posted November 25, 2013 9:04 am 


flydog

Jeez, have you guys never seen Rocky IV?!! Froch recovered from a bad start (and probably a mild concussion!) to grind out a victory against a young gun fighting out of his skin! He did the same thing against Taylor. That’s just how he is. He’s never been nor gonna be the smoothest, most skillful boxer in the world but you have your hands full trying to take what he got. In the sixth round it seemed to me that Groves couldn’t have hit Froch any harder yet Carl wasn’t reeling around the way Groves was in that 9th round. Ultimately, we’ve had the fight now and it was great. Both guys seem up for a re-match so let’s hope we get it. I think Froch would be a good deal more switched on next time and the result would be the same but without maybe quite the same drama beforehand!!!

Posted November 25, 2013 9:02 am 


flydog

test

Posted November 25, 2013 8:53 am 


Boxtradamus

Nope. He’s telling us that he’s more interested in guys who trade shots than guys who display a high SKILL level and Boxing IQ. And that’s HIS cup of tea. MY cup of tea is watching the BEST. Don’t get me wrong Froch is one of the BEST but Ward has already proven to be BETTER. All EXPERTS agree with ME on that.

Posted November 25, 2013 8:48 am 


Adrian

Boxtradomus , left hook is telling us he is interested in boxing not in fantasy rankings…

Posted November 25, 2013 8:26 am 


Boxtradamus

And NO Pac is not a threat to Mayweather. He can’t knockout Welterweights and he DEFINITELY can’t out Box Mayweather SO his threat level is ZERO.

Posted November 25, 2013 8:25 am 


Boxtradamus

Just as I can’t imagine Froch being named #2 P4P.

Posted November 25, 2013 8:22 am 


lefhook

There was more entertainment it the first round of Froch-Groves than 10 Mayweather or Pac fights. Fed up reading about these guys n i’m a Mayweather believer. That fight at the weekend is why Froch makes millions. I don’t know but I cant imagine Ward selling out 20k arenas in 17 minutes

Posted November 25, 2013 8:07 am 


Wolf

I used to thin Pac had at least a 50-50 chance but he is not as good as he used to be although he is still good. I predict Floyd by wide decision or stoppage if they fight now.

Posted November 25, 2013 7:52 am 


DIRK

floyd worshippers is like this, floyd wins by shutout on points, with potshots, run a little, potshots, shoulder roll, hold, shoulder roll potshots, run a little,hitting 2 potshots at a time while not getting hit, theyll say “wow a classic performance , great boxing, thats what u called sweet science!

pac wins by shutout, with good movement, putting combinations, scoring points while doing it excitingly with plenty of combinations,hitting from all angles and not getting hit floyd worshippers said: “pac is shot,washed out, cant ko opponents” if its pac its not sweet science, because its pac thats why, HATERS

Posted November 25, 2013 7:23 am 


Anonymous

floyd worshippers is like this, floyd wins by shutout on points, with potshots, run a little, potshots, shoulder roll, hold, shoulder roll potshots, run a little,hitting 2 potshots at a time while not getting hit, theyll say “wow a classic performance , great boxing, thats what u called sweet science!

pac wins by shutout, with good movement, putting combinations, scoring points while doing it excitingly with plenty of combinations,hitting from all angles and not getting hit floyd worshippers said: “pac is shot,washed out, cant ko opponents” if its pac its not sweet science, because its pac thats why, HATERS

Posted November 25, 2013 7:23 am 


Adrian

Skinysteve- yeah poor paqiao he completely bruised both of his hands from being hit by rios face … The guy can break hands …hahAhahahahaha

Posted November 25, 2013 6:39 am 


Adrian

Vivek ” That said, I’ve also given my son (an avid Pacquiao fan) the good ole “next Saturday could be the end of a great era” speech. The signs are there.”

I am sorry you have to shred that speech Viv:)

Posted November 25, 2013 6:34 am 


skinnysteve

manny pacquiao hit rios nothing more than a blown up 140 pounder with scores of his best shot and rios laughed them all off he can’t hurt money may

Posted November 25, 2013 6:31 am 


Furious Tyson

I totally agree with Brunojabber. Froch did what he always does, and its like a lot of commentators and writers have never watched him fight before … did no one see the Jermaine Taylor fight?

There a many different styles in boxing. Some are super slick, some are fast and furious and some are just downright tough.

Respect to Groves for having a bloody good go but in the end it wasn’t enough. Carl Froch is probably the toughest boxer in the world at the moment. He deserves some respect.

Posted November 25, 2013 6:27 am 


Adrian

So just because PAC couldn’t “floor” rios it means he can’t punch like he use too??
Ok I hope in the future if PAC ko someone you want say ” the guy has a glass jaw” because my friend you know very well that rios was never stopped before and btw PAC couldn’t “floor” morales in their first fight even though morales went toe to toe with him but then managed to stop him twice … PAC is a own up welterweight and he can’t possibly ko everyone he fights .

Posted November 25, 2013 6:23 am 


rush

+1

Posted November 25, 2013 6:15 am 


DGVXXV

WILL the paclites plz stand up, true pac-man is an old school fighter that he is very capable about hitting floyd but how much is the BIG Q!!!!!

floyd is extremely slick his speed is great to and he uses it in timing or countering his opponent very hard to get close to him.

Posted November 25, 2013 6:06 am 


Vivek FanBoy

When Mayweather fights and rides the bicycle cruising to a unanimous decision, this guy come out and shouts ‘What an excellent win!’

Posted November 25, 2013 5:57 am 


Vivek FanBoy

Vivek ‘a.k.a Mayweather Fanboy’ Wallace strikes again!

Posted November 25, 2013 5:57 am 


Vivek FanBoy

Absurd!

Posted November 25, 2013 5:57 am 


Anonymous

Actually, the Marquez that fought Mayweather seemed much pudgier than the muscle bound Marquez that fought Pacman

Posted November 25, 2013 5:55 am 


Brunosjabber

I Don’t agree at all regarding your comments on Froch. He did what he always does when faced with adversity and comes on strong in the later (championship) rounds. Maybe people should remember the bout was scheduled for 12 rounds – not 6 or 7 which would have been just great for Groves. Look at the state of Groves face and body language in the 9th round, he was all set to go, that much was very obvious. (apparently even to the ref!)

I don’t think a rematch would produce any different results. Groves would no doubt dominate the first 7 rounds or so then come apart and be bashed into submission in the later rounds. It annoys me to see all these “Froch has lost my respect” and “his reputation is tarnished” comments. Just shows how absolutely fickle and shallow some so called fans are.

Posted November 25, 2013 5:35 am 



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