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yourdad

people shouldn’t forget it was for the world title, fighters have always been given th
benefit of the doubt in big fights except when the fix is in.

Posted November 28, 2013 9:53 pm 


Steve

@HHLondon “after two digs” you kidding me right. Groves was taking big shots for almost 40 seconds………………..

Posted November 28, 2013 10:01 am 


HHLondon

Peej,

Stop!

I respect your IQ loads and I never don’t read your posts or your jousts.

But all due respect!

Groves was never in trouble and the stoppage was disgustingly weak with Groves so far ahead and never even taking a knockdown, a knee or a count in the exchange only damages the game.

Froch took ten years to build a fan base up and undone it overnight.

If Groves deserved to be rescued after two digs, then the same question must be asked why Froch weren’t rescued in the first having been dropped and given a count?

The refs background and finances need to scrutinized given his twitter comments before the fight and Froch can only rescue his hard earned legacy by giving Groves the rematch.

Posted November 27, 2013 11:44 pm 


sam D

Anouther giveme to a super 6 fighter. Froch alone with that entire set up with the exception of Dirrell who has some promise, is a wreck.

Posted November 27, 2013 10:29 pm 


PEEJ

It was definitely a horrible stoppage but Groves was hurt and looked to be on his way out from the punches he was taking. But still a horrible stoppage

Posted November 27, 2013 5:42 pm 


Informer

Let’s see: Barkley knocked Hearns down and Hearns barely beat the 10 count. Barkley then knocked him through the ropes and he was physically unable to respond. Everytime I watch the Groves fight I just don’t see Groves in that kind of trouble, or any kind of trouble. Horrible stoppage.

Posted November 27, 2013 5:12 pm 


Absolutia

Couldn’t agree more TJ.

Such is the exciting nature of boxing, that many fans lose their head over one performance. We may have seen Groves’ best performance – and there’s no shame in that. If it does turn out that he’s remembered – primarily – for a sensational loss against a champ, he certainly won’t be the first.

Posted November 27, 2013 4:47 pm 


john

until groves trains to go 12 rounds he”s going nowhere.

Posted November 27, 2013 4:28 pm 


Informer

I think Froch could beat Groves in a rematch, but he is going to have to do a lot better than he did this past weekend. A rematch is his best option. I know he would not want to fight GGG after a performance like this. All of the ref incompetence in the world would wouldn’t save him.

Posted November 27, 2013 4:09 pm 


Absolutia

Decision – I would argue that Froch wasn’t punching air and gloves all night. Exhibit A: Groves’ face.

Posted November 27, 2013 4:01 pm 


Informer

I hope all refs in the future behave the same way and maybe we can get some international commissions and standards in the sport. When the people pay money for an honest outcome and the athletes put in all of their work it should not be tainted by some incompetent or corrupt ref. BTW, it would not hurt anything if the ref just admits that he made a bad call. Yes, I am not in denial, Froch got credit for the victory. I will go down in the record books as a win for Froch and a loss for Groves. I have seen plenty of fights where I said the ref should stop it, there is no point in it continuing. But you should not stop a fight if a guy is winning and has the upper hand. It was almost if the ref said, “if I don’t stop this fight now, I may never get another chance to take it away from Groves.”

Posted November 27, 2013 3:59 pm 


Xavier

Groves was winning and I think it was a slightly premature stoppage. Carl Froch is a warrior though and he was there for the 12 rounds. There really should be a rematch.

Posted November 27, 2013 3:58 pm 


Decision

Sure the commentators were pro Groves, sure the audience cheered every time Froch hit the air or Groves’ gloves,

it doesnt change thee fact that Froch, with good will, won 1 round, he hit air and gloves all night, and by the way, Groves hurt him with a stunning right in the 7th round, almost taking the cobra out again.

Froch only had a little success with the inside game, throwing punches, after the break.

Check thee fight out again on youtube, and watch the slow motion sequences, it was a case of Froch getting outboxed, due to the speed difference, and better movement by Groves.

Posted November 27, 2013 2:49 pm 


soldtnt

and informer stubbling forward dose not count as mounting an attack groves was buzzed badly staggered forward where froch was waiting to tee off again when the ref wrapped his arms round groves hence stopping froch hitting him agin i suggest u take of those rose tinted glasses and put on yer specsavers cos u need them

Posted November 27, 2013 12:32 pm 


Tachyon

Like I said Groves missed his golden parachute in the first round if he had closed the show all this would be a moot point. Groves let Froch off the hook and got stuck with the barb.

Posted November 27, 2013 12:31 pm 


Informer

Think about it. Froch got dropped in the first, got back up and comfortably survived the round with no major problem. Groves threw everything he had and couldn’t dent him again. In fact by the 4th round Froch was shrugging off right hands. Whereas Groves was getting slowly beat up and gassing out by the 8th due to the relentless pressure. Groves was helpless and giving Froch free shots along the ropes. Never was Froch in such crisis even in the first.

Posted November 27, 2013 12:30 pm 


soldtnt

aboustlia wtf the statement was meant for sorry

Posted November 27, 2013 12:29 pm 


soldtnt

aboustia he was ginger so hed mark easy lol that statement alone proves u are a moron as for the commentry being not being bias jim watt was in groves corner the full fight ,as an ex fighter an fan of both fighters i congratulate groves on a grt effort but he was not winning every rd i also gave froch 3 rds but he was clearly winning rd 9 and groves looked a very tired fighter were to an educated man u could clearly see froch was getting stronger like he always has only robbery here was it should went on for 10 more secs then they would be no debate as froch would got the stoppage

Posted November 27, 2013 12:25 pm 


Informer

Even if the ref wants to call this a tickling contest, you can’t have one guy in hysterical laughter all night, allow it to continue and the first time the other guy cracks a smile, you end the fight!

Posted November 27, 2013 12:12 pm 


varnish

Watched this on the internet – the commentary by a Scottsman-sounding broadcaster was very pro-Groves. Froch got nailed in the first round and got up – gained his legs in the following rounds and did what he does – applies unrelenting pressure. By round 9 it was over – whether the ref stopped it or not – Groves was done. Great fight, but not controversial.

Posted November 27, 2013 12:03 pm 


Informer

This is the first time I have seen a ref pull the attacker off of the other guy and say the attacker was hurt.

Posted November 27, 2013 12:02 pm 


Absolutia

Groves wasn’t hurt? Inane comment.

Posted November 27, 2013 11:53 am 


slim prickman

years ago would be a quick rematch,now you will get months of talking sh#t.

Posted November 27, 2013 11:52 am 


Informer

If coming forward throwing punches eluding significant shots is being in trouble, then Manny Pacquio is always in serious trouble. Groves was not even hurt. This is not some fight that happened in the 1930′s where there is no footage. The end of the fight is on Youtube! It ends the same way everytime! Groves was not hurt. I think Froch has greatly improved as a boxer. Notice I did not say fighter. He was a fighter when he fought Taylor. The Super Six turned him into a boxer. I have tremendous respect for him, but this stoppage was one of the worst in history.

Posted November 27, 2013 11:39 am 


Absolutia

AbsolutiaWTF (cute!) – the cards were irrelevant: Groves was in serious trouble and the fight was stopped. And it didn’t come out of the blue as the commentary team would have us believe. He was fading; his punches were having no effect; he was holding and at times he was turning his back. He was a man in trouble and if you don’t know that: you don’t know boxing.

Claiming that the huge swelling that came up under his eye after a few rounds was due to the fact that he was ginger, is patently absurd.

Posted November 27, 2013 11:17 am 


Absolutia

AbsolutiaWTF (cute!) – the cards were irrelevant: Groves was in serious trouble and the fight was stopped. And it didn’t come out of the blue as the commentary team would have us believe. He was fading; his punches were having no eefect; he was holding and at times he was turning his back. He was a man in trouble and if you don’t know that: you don’t know boxing.

Claiming that the huge swelling that came up under his eye after a few rounds was due to the fact that he was ginger, is patently absurd.

Posted November 27, 2013 11:13 am 


AbsolutiaWTF

Soldtnt, Borat, others claiming it was close and claiming dodgy commentating being an influence. I have watched it 3 times. With Watty, American commentary and some dodgy Turk, with the sound muted. Including the 9th, Froch won 2, MAYBE 3 rounds AT BEST. The rounds he had what little success he did, he was either hitting arms or getting more back. Seriously cannot see how anyone can suggest anything else. As for Groves being marked up… he’s ginger, he’d mark up if you blew him a kiss ffs.

Posted November 27, 2013 11:00 am 


psy

Good article, the stoppage was early and Froch did deserve the extra 10 seconds require to properly KO Groves, who was too far gone to realize he should be holding/taking a knee/avoiding Froch’s shots.

Posted November 27, 2013 10:01 am 


Informer

Whatever.. groves was visibly hurt and running out of gas. The ref did him a massive favour and the whole world knows it. I’m sick and tired of all these fanboys saying he ‘deserved’ to win, or he would have gone on to win.

Posted November 27, 2013 9:55 am 


Decision

This whole thread is a testament to the fact that the ref could not be sure about the state of Grooves. Groves says he was waiting for Froch to spend his energy, since he believed he could win the last rounds. I believe him.

Boxers all swell up differently, as far as the fight goes Groves won nearly every exchange, and had more than enough power, to do so. Froch is a dirty fighter, who uses everything he has, elbows, and that is fair enough. He did not hit Groves with much, though.

Should Froch refuse a rematch, it would destroy his reputation, since he was outboxed and manhandled throughout the fight. I think there will come a rematch, hopefully with the judge from the Ward fight.

Posted November 27, 2013 9:37 am 


Steve

@Neil Pomy Froch was saved by the bell when knocked down, there was still 120 seconds of the round to go when Groves was in trouble. Is this not significant?

Posted November 27, 2013 9:24 am 


Neil Pomy

Groves simply was not hurt enough to justify a stoppage. As the poster below states; Froch was much more hurt in round 1 than Groves was in round 9.

Posted November 27, 2013 7:39 am 


spartacrust

As days go by this robbery is being diluted by most of the idiots on here! Groves wasn’t hurt! Froch was out on his feet in round 1…how wasn’t it stopped then? Don’t mention the tine because Reich did Taylor in roughly the same time, froch wobbled all over the place when he stood up. I’m a froch fan but groves was robbed, froch was walking into bombs all night lol rocked a few times

Posted November 27, 2013 5:34 am 


MJames

Froch is running from the rematch. Shocking. How can Froch retire and be proud of his legacy without doing it again wiith George and beating him without any controversy next time? I think Carl was about to stop Groves but the referee still stopped it 5-seconds too early. Carl, you have to do the rematch.

Posted November 27, 2013 5:12 am 


Steve

@Informer I like a good debate, but to say Groves was coming forward in round 9 is comical….. WATCH THE FIGHT AGAIN!!!

Posted November 27, 2013 4:01 am 


WHAT!?!

Excellent stoppage by the Ref. Groves was about to be killed in there and you can take my word for it. I was on my way to the ring for collection.

Posted November 26, 2013 11:22 pm 


Waspy

This article is obviously written by a Froch fan and is all tosh jus like the ref in this fight. This stoppage was simply pathetic

Posted November 26, 2013 10:00 pm 


tooth

If I was froch, no way would i give groves a rematch, especially not as next fight. Should be made when its going to be froch’s last fight-win or lose.

Groves would have less ego in the next bout and out speed froch to a points win boxing in and out. Froch hates groves, so the only way to piss him off would be to deny him a chance to make amends. People will forget about the controversy in time and will just see froch tko 9 groves. That’s how you teach someone for being disrespectful.

Posted November 26, 2013 8:06 pm 


Fish Eyes

Stoppage was bullshyte..

Posted November 26, 2013 7:53 pm 


Informer

If groves was hurt he really good at hiding it. He was coming forward. Most guys who are hurt are backing up. In the deciding exchanges Froch was barely landing any clean punches. There is no shame in the ref saying he blew it. There is no shame in saying it was a bad stoppage. When we don’t have any visible evidence of Groves being hurt or tired we have to start attempting to read his mind we are really stretching. What if the ref would have stepped in and grabbed Froch and stopped the fight in that same sequence, giving it to Groves, I would have been equally shocked. The ref, who has the best seat in the house somehow confused going forward throwing punches with getting knocked backwards not defending one’s self. The ref from the Ward fight should have been here. He did a professional job. He did not put up with BS and showed no favoritism to either.

Posted November 26, 2013 7:34 pm 


anon

It was a single mugging groves got mugged off lost his unbeaten record the belts anyone saying froch would of knocked him out should give us all the lottery numbers

Posted November 26, 2013 7:24 pm 


rax

Martin – i’m sure when SRedmond says hometown fighter he means the house fighter. the promoters boy. he doesn’t mean it geographically.
I don’t see how anyone can deny the stoppage was too quick. its a moot point what the result would’ve been (most likely froch would’ve done what he does and won) but in that instances Groves wasn’t so hurt that he couldn’t continue.
and all this politically correct protect the fighter hysteria is totally over the top. given all the fights that happen everywhere in the world a boxer being seriously hurt is a rarity not a norm. I can’t believe how many soft and cuddly nancy boys are on this site these days
this furore is all froch’s fault – all he had to do was acknowledge the stoppage was early. he still could’ve said he would’ve stopped him that round.

Posted November 26, 2013 6:48 pm 


Borat

Commentators for this fight simply did not do a good job. In fact they tea bagged Groves so much, they did not even realize he was badly hurt in round 9 until well after Froch stunned him. They did not acknowlege anything Froch did, and Groves was not dominating after the first round. He had a KD, and that was the difference before round 9. Two judges correctly had Groves leading by a point. If you have any doubts that Froch was connecting throughout the fight, just look at at Groves’ face. And this is considering Froch did some really good work to the body as well. Then Froch got back to Groves for the first round as well in round 9, and even if the ref gave Groves standing 8 count instead of KO and Groves survivied, Froch is ahead anyway in round 9. This is not how you take the title from the champion.

So, yes, stoppage was premature, but given ref screwed up and stopped the fight, no matter how you slice it, including round 9, Froch won and deserves to be the champ. No, he did not win in a spectacular fashion, but he fairly retained his title.

Posted November 26, 2013 6:36 pm 


soldtnt

well put eric

Posted November 26, 2013 5:52 pm 


eric

I do belive froches time is soon to be up and groves looked great. Looking forward to a rematch, msy the better man win.

Posted November 26, 2013 5:44 pm 


eric

I dont think groves stamina is the problem as much as he needs to pace himself slighty and shine in the championship rounds, but doing what he did in 8 all 12 would be better I get that.

Froch is a tough man, he s a brute that forces wins and is not known for his boxing skills, I get that but in froches defence to be a 4 time world champ with a long list of top world fighters on his resume, with fun gutsy never give up attitude I cant say to much bad about him.

Some are know for pure boxing talent

Some are known for brawling, but that dosent mean its still not resepected as long as you got a little exta something in the bank to take yourself to the elite level and froch has done that.

How many other fighters with froches limited boxing skills could complete at his level and pull off what he did ? Not many in my opinion.

Ddnnis Rodman is known as one of the best basketball players without making shots but just bases on rebound s but dennis is still an important part of the sport none the less as is carl froch.

Posted November 26, 2013 5:40 pm 


Decision

I am a Froch fan too, for his war mentality, but it was really refreshing to see a young fighter giving Froch the beatiing of his life, in 8 rounds.

Always give the fighter the possibility of regaining balance via the count, Groves says he wanted Froch to spend his last energy, and I believe him.

I agree with the people, who pointed out a lot of fights that should have been stopped the same way, if the same standard had been used.

Lets be honest, fan or not, it was soo good to see Carl on the receiving end of a beating, and I refuse to recognize Froch as the winner of the fight.

I was a little afraid for Groves before the war, I was proven deeply wrong, he is the coming man in the division.

Posted November 26, 2013 4:57 pm 


soldtnt

watch the fight without bias watt withering on and its a diffrent story it was a close ffight andd any1 whos saying it was 1 ssided are eithher mental or totally bias yes froch was getting caught with the right hand but groves was taking alot of body shots and it wwas those body shots his poor stamina that eventally led to the stoppage i saw groves as wel as froch buzzed a couple of times throught out the fight but what i saw and not i let influcence me in skys very bias commentry was a close hard fight were the younger fighter haaving give it his all knackered and froch was only getting stronger yoou could see groves fading from rd 6 so kid yourselfs about froch all you want tome another 10 secs and frroch would haave the ko and stop this debate on a grt britsh fighter

Posted November 26, 2013 4:18 pm 


soldtnt

watch the fight without bias watt withering on and its a diffrent story it was a close ffight andd any1 whos saying it was 1 ssided are eithher mental or totally bias yes roch was getting caught with the righ hand but groves was taking alot of body shots and it wwas those body his poor stamina i saw groves as wel as froch buzzed a couple of times throught out the fight but what i saw and not i let influcence me in skys very bias commentry was a close hard fight were the younger fighter haaving give it his all knackered and froch was only getting stronger yoou could see groves fading from rd 6 so kid yourselfs about froch all you want tome another 10 secs and frroch would haave the ko and stop this debate on a grt britsh fighter

Posted November 26, 2013 4:14 pm 


Informer

This is what it would have been like if Lennox and Vitali was stopped immediately after that big uppercut Lennox landed and there was no cut on Vitali.

Posted November 26, 2013 3:32 pm 


Informer

Other similiar ref jobs: Bute Andrade 1, Mares Abecko 1. Help me out people. Name some others.

Posted November 26, 2013 3:29 pm 


SREDMOND

Frochs career is CLOSE to over he is NO ONES cash cow so let’s get real… He is gonna remembered as a tough, durable boxer who did more with will than his gifts or skills.. He is not, never had been and never will be an Elite boxer of Wards ilk… He has struggled too many times to occupy that rarified air… Ward had an easy time with Froch,Kessler, Dawson and Rodriguez Carl needed a “bailout” against Groves… Sheesh

Posted November 26, 2013 3:20 pm 


Informer

It’s funny that some person pretended to be me stated they viewed the fight again and agreed with the stoppage. Groves was not hurt and this was a horrible stoppage. Nothing against Froch. Groves was never defenseless, he never went down, was not even hurt. This is clearly one of the worse stoppages ever.

Posted November 26, 2013 3:16 pm 


boxing barlow

Jim Watt is a legend! By far the best boxing commentator on tv at the minute. Always makes me chuckle when he calls the boxing gym the gymnasium in his Scottish accent!

Posted November 26, 2013 3:08 pm 


HeavyweightTruth

AbsolutiaWTF – NOBODY can score a fight objectively with Jim Watt commentating.

Posted November 26, 2013 2:53 pm 


Absolutia

Amir Khan also believes he should be fighting Floyd Mayweather.

Posted November 26, 2013 2:23 pm 


Rich

Amir Khan believes Froch should now retire on the strength of this fight….He believes if the ref had not stopped the fight Groves would have won….Also he thinks Carl getting put down shows he is finished…

Posted November 26, 2013 2:19 pm 


Rich

Groves now faces punishment after corrupt accusations against dodgy refereeing and boxing administration of cheating….

Posted November 26, 2013 2:01 pm 


Tooth

Groves must have expected his punches to knacker out froch as much as Froch’s punches were knackering him out. When that didn’t happen, his ego kept him trading with Froch instead of getting on his bike. Premature stoppage, but his ego wouldn’t have let him take a knee, nor would it have let him go onto the back foot and box so it’s 50/50 as to whether Groves would have finished the fight

Posted November 26, 2013 1:49 pm 


Absolutia

The score on the cards only tell some of the story and they only become relevant after 12 rounds have been completed. That was a hard fight for both fighters and Groves’ face was testament to that – he didn’t end up looking like that because of one or two punches in the ninth round.

If a runner sprints out to the lead in a 5 000m race, he may well be able to make a legitimate claim that he was 150m in the lead at one point, but once he’s been passed: he’s been passed and isn’t going to regain the lead.

Posted November 26, 2013 1:37 pm 


BEARS

regardless of what happens only one thing is certain FROCH WILL BE MAKING WAY MORE MONEY THAN WARD!!!!!!!! bahahahahahahahah

Posted November 26, 2013 1:34 pm 


Ramsden

Mr Weaver, this is also the fight that I was watching. Rematch is a given, just wonder if the first 7 rounds will be as easy for Groves now Froch knows what he’s in for…..

Posted November 26, 2013 1:28 pm 


SREDMOND

Frochs victory is tainted and it’s not his fault the Ref choose to hand him the victory… That was simply NOT a fight that should have been stopped at that point… Carl Froch is a tough yet not very versatile fighter, he was in a tough fight where the opponent earned the right to be properly stopped or let Froch properly KO him…. People are not worried for Groves was NOT in terrible shape, they wanted to keep that fight from possibly going 12 so they want to justify some HORRID refereeing with “Groves was saved” NO the bout was tampered with and now discussions of a rematch are running rife…

Posted November 26, 2013 1:27 pm 


AbsolutiaWTF

Tachyon, normally i’d agree, but given how it finished and your logic, I’d blame the ref. If he was that concerned for a fighters welfare, Froch should ahve been stopped in the 1st.

Posted November 26, 2013 1:04 pm 


Tachyon

AbsolutiaWTF if you are a fighter never trust the juges and avoid them at all cost. Grooves had a golden opportunity in the first round and could not close the show. Fault is on groves shoulders.

Posted November 26, 2013 1:01 pm 


AbsolutiaWTF

I talk a lot, apparently.

Posted November 26, 2013 12:59 pm 


AbsolutiaWTF

Just to be clear, I’m not running down Froch. I went into the fight wanting him to win. The way he got up from that 1st round knockdown just proves, if it was needed, just what a great warrior he is. My gripe isn’t with him, more the judges and ref. Borat, did you agree with the judges? How did you score it?

Posted November 26, 2013 12:59 pm 


AbsolutiaWTF

Tachyon, Froch was gifted his chance.

Posted November 26, 2013 12:56 pm 


AbsolutiaWTF

Soldtnt, I am not trying to predict what would have happened, the fact is we won’t know because it WAS stopped prematurely. froch may ahve won by KO, Groves may have, it could have ended a draw, a naked pole dancer could have jumped into the ring and round house kicked both to death… because of that decision we won’t know. Borat, he “lived with the champ?” Until the 8th, he was giving Carl Froch a one sided beat down. Froch has never been quick, despite the ironic nickname, but on Sat night he looked an old man. Really hope there is a rematch, they both have things to improve on, Groves’ stamina for sure.

Posted November 26, 2013 12:55 pm 


Tachyon

Groves missed his shot in the first round. He should have finished Froch then he would have been a superstar.

Posted November 26, 2013 12:50 pm 


soldtnt

for grovess first real attempt at world level i thought he did great,but a world clas fighter shouldnt be as tired as groves by rd 9 he needs too work on stamina but he as also proved he isnt as chinny as ppl say

Posted November 26, 2013 12:26 pm 


Borat

Everyone seems to be sucking off Groves, because he fared better than expected, and he sure did have a good showing, but he did not win every round of that fight. Commentators were so up Groves arse, they did not even realize he was badly hurt in the 9th round until well after the fact. Groves did not land much more than Froch throughout the fight, and it certainly concievable they split the first 8 rounds, whith Groves ahead by a point duo to KD. Even in the second round after Froch was down a minute earlier Groves did not dominate, and Froch probably landed more and won that round. People seem to be so surprised Groves did well, they simply ignored the fact that Froch was not just standing there for 8 round and landed as much as he took after the KD. Groves face surely showed some gamage coming into the 9th. Referee should have given Groves standing 8 count, and then if Froch did not knock him out, at the very least he would have been ahead on the cards – and rightfully so. So, let’s not blow Groves just yet, only because he was able to compete evenly against the cahmpion.

Posted November 26, 2013 12:21 pm 


soldtnt

as for groves grt fight but u need to work on your stamina and he will become champ ,froch fought stupidly and almost payed the price but it was a lot closer than ppl make out,froch was getting stronger and groves was visibly fading and you couldnt see that then maybe u should start calling urself jimwat because his comentry was digracefull misleading

Posted November 26, 2013 12:18 pm 


soldtnt

absoultia froch was strting to catch up to groves who through the last 2 rds was tired and was making silly mistakes but i do belieive froch would have stoped him as for throwing back i suggest u watch the fight a 4th time groves was hurt stubled forward and the ref grabbed him ,i do believe froch should have had the chance to ko but thats life ,we will never know if groves would have recovered .as for jimwatt most biiased commentry i have heard in yrs time to go jim

Posted November 26, 2013 12:09 pm 


malachi

Absolutia` im right with you, cosigned!!

Posted November 26, 2013 11:47 am 


AbsolutiaWTF

Absolutia, I have seen the fight 3 times now (I find it impossible to objectively score a fight wwith Jim Watt commentating.) and I’m struggling with anyone trying to defend the decision… also to say that the fight was close. Watch it again. Then again, then come back and tell me again how close it was. Froch had success in 3 or 4 of the early rounds… but “success” being defined by him actually landing anything. In those same rounds Groves was landing a lot more, I struggled to give Froch a round in the first 6. I began the fight wanting a Froch win by the way. Anyone trying to say Groves couldn’t defend himself is deluded, a man who was throwing back and as the ref stepped in was tying up Froch…. this was a World title fight. It stinks, had it been the ref’s stoppage on its own, a mistake may have been believable, but coupled with 2 of the judges having Groves only a point up? Wow. Taking into consideration the 1st round knowckdown, the judges are trying to tell the world Froch won 4 of the first 8 rounds. Utter garbarge. I have boxed and have been watching boxing for years, never has a result had me questioning whether or not I should be following something else. Genuinely am baffled how anyone can watch that fight and not be ashamed for the sport.

Posted November 26, 2013 11:36 am 


Martin

I wish people (e.g. SREDMOND) would stop saying this was a “HOMETOWN” decision: neither Froch, Groves, nor the referee is from Manchester, FFS. The ref. had to make a judgement call, and I agree that he should have given Groves a standing eight count, but so it goes sometimes…. Let’s all look forward to the rematch, and that in the build up to it BOTH of them show each other more respect. Froch could definitely use some humility: it might even endear people to him. Well done to Froch, who once again proved himself a great warrior, and congrats to Groves, who has earnt himself a huge amount of respect, and millions of new fans…

Posted November 26, 2013 11:25 am 


Uncommon

The Ref made a rush to judgement and IMO a poor call. Let’s see if Froch gives him a re-match, my guess is that he will not want to see Groves again. Froch was clearly beaten to the punch in every round. Most importantly Groves made me a fan!!

Posted November 26, 2013 11:11 am 


OneInchPunch

Typo… that was meant to read ” he didn’t give groves”

Posted November 26, 2013 10:51 am 


OneInchPunch

my only critic of the ref on Saturday night was……. he did give groves an eight count when he jumped in. for me both boxers at that point were off balance and unsteady and were in a bit of a tangle.. as such and with only five shots actually landing on Groves and given that he slipped and block a lot… an eight count was in order….that way the ref makes the right decision and all us TV viewing fan could actually see if groves was go or not?? Froch needs to give Groves a rematch anything less is not acceptable.

Posted November 26, 2013 10:50 am 


HeavyweightTruth

There’s nothing controversial about the stoppage,unsatisactory,yes.Only the ref could see Groves eyes and could assess the danger and make a decision.So many “boxing fans” have decided it was controversial based on it being an unsatisfactory ending.Froch took all Groves had,but groves couldn’t take what froch had and considering Groves had an 11 year youth advantage,and with it a speed,reflex,and mobility advantage,plus better skills and ring IQ,i would say for Froch to come back and cause the stoppage was a good win.

Posted November 26, 2013 10:44 am 


Rigsby

The ref denied Froch a come fom behind KO win, so its froch wo should feel hard done by not the Ginga Ninja.

Posted November 26, 2013 10:35 am 


Sad Ken

I really don’t know what all the fuss is about, yes it was a bad stoppage, but it was likely only another 10-20 seconds away from being a good stoppage.

You could argue that Groves could have recovered and turned the tables, but I really don’t feel that was going to happen. To me it looked as though Froch had weathered an almighty effort from Groves and was starting to turn the tables, Groves showed signs of being spent from his early effort.

Frochs usual post fight bull detracted even more from a great fight. He should have simply took his hat off to a great effort from Groves, acknowledged the referee was perhaps a little bit quick to jump in, and said he deserves a rematch.

Posted November 26, 2013 10:31 am 


UFC DIESEL

In response to the comment “WHY IS FROCH LOSING FANS?” I used to be a froch fan and what changed my mind was his unsportsmanlike conduct after the fight, his arrogance, and him constantly jerking off in front of tv cameras regarding ducking no one. He has shown himself to be an immature loser and will come up with any excuse rather than give his opponent the due respect they deserve. The super 6 made his name and he hasn’t let anyone forget that every opportunity he gets. He expects Groves to bow down and be grateful for the opportunity for fighting him. The fact is Groves earned that right and made him look like a plodding zombie in most of the fight. afaroch has been celebrating his legacy before he has retired from boxing. Legacies are historical and appreciated in a nostalgic way. Froch needs a lesson in humility and I have a funny feeling he will learn it the hard way in his next couple of fights. Goves has an amazing future pending on who he links up with as in trainer, promoter, strength coach. George has had a tough year and needs to learn the valuable lessons from his in and out of the ring experiences. George life is not a rehearsal get the right team.

Posted November 26, 2013 10:26 am 


Anonymous

groves lacks what most fighters today lack and thats STAMINA. they could never do 15 rounds.

Posted November 26, 2013 9:42 am 


CheckLeftHook

@ Flydog – Well said. George was a punch away from possible serious damage. The Ref was in the best position to see that, and he made the call. That call has extended George’s career as being a healthy one in the ring, not the career of a traumatised fighter. I’ve been a big Froch fan. Not so much now. I thought he’d learned how to box, but he looked like a mug on the weekend. I’d go as far as to say his career is over. Whatever he does in the ring now will detract from memory of the exciting sportsman he once was.

Posted November 26, 2013 9:34 am 


irishboxing fan

I am quite astounded by the amount of people defending the stoppage, i think personally it was shocking in such a fight. Yes froch caught him clean on a couple of occasions in that last barrage but in a fight of such a brutality it was very much premature, personally I think if groves takes a knee and a count he boxes the ears of froch for rest of the fight like he had been doing and this is coming from a big froch fan. I had my buddies around for a fight we were all cheering for carl but at times simply could hardly watch he looked so slow and lethargic, against ward he was neutralised and made look ineffective without taking much punishment, in this fight he was simply getting beat up for long periods. Groves has a new fan in me i thought he was superb and I felt for the guy after. I for 1 will be paying good money if a rematch occurs I thought it was magnificant scrap

Posted November 26, 2013 9:31 am 


bfan

I think groves new handle should be “Head Butting George Groves”

Posted November 26, 2013 8:30 am 


Marilyn13

So the stoppage was premature. The referee made a bad call (isn’t retrospect grand?). What’s worse: a bad call that leaves a fighter feeling hard done by and some fans short changed… or a bad call that leaves a fighter in a coma? People have short memories it seems… like about three weeks long. The referee has far more profoundly important decisions to make in an instant than any number of excitable boxing forum posters. But sure, let Groves have his rematch if it will make him happy. Hopefully the result will be more emphatic and everyone can be content. Groves might just be slightly less confident… because he knows now that whatever he can throw at Froch, Froch will just tough it out and keep coming. And Froch… who might just have been a little complacent going into this bout… will probably be better prepared. So Groves is likely to suffer a more drawn out and much more physically damaging defeat and the fans can celebrate… unless the damage is SO bad that they have to put on their hypocritical hats again and raise a clamour about how referees and corners have to take responsibility to stop a fight before it gets too late.

Posted November 26, 2013 8:13 am 


WHAT!?!

Hahaha looks like the resident panther is butthurt because Froch is a bigger draw, more entertaining, more courageous, earns more money than his homey Ward. Ward has more skills and that is where it ends, he has 5 fans, is boring, non-courageous and can’t make a living. Meow.

Posted November 26, 2013 8:11 am 


flydog

Finally an article that addresses the balance of anger and controversy that has surrounded the ending of this fight! At the time of the stoppage all Froch was doing was punching Groves around the head. In other words. . .his job!! If the referee hadn’t stepped in Froch would have continued and at the point of the stoppage Groves was bent over at the waist with his head and arms hanging down. What’s the referee supposed to do? Groves was reeling. If he had gone down he would have had 9 seconds to get to his feet, then the referee would have looked into his eyes, asked him to step forward and decided whether to let him fight on or not. This did not happen and none of us know what would have happened if it did but IMHO Froch would have closed the show. I don’t think it was as controversial a stoppage as some have suggested and I think there’s become an element of the ‘herd mentality’ going on. Still, great fight I thought and a re-match makes sense for many. Froch looked old and slow for much of it though and probably won’t fight on beyond next year. He’s a tough b*stard though!!

Posted November 26, 2013 8:10 am 


SREDMOND

What’s this presumption that Froch was gonna “badly hurt” Groves? Who are all these fighters who’s care Froch ended? Please don’t tell me Taylor who was a TERRIBLE 168 pounder period…Reality is this is an Urban Legend being buses to justify a TERRIBLE stoppage and not force Froch to close the show which he needed to do…

Posted November 26, 2013 7:52 am 


SREDMOND

Some of the boneheads on here keep bringing up the Froch vs Taylor fight as if that justifies Groves being ROBBED of the opportunity to either be stopped legit or battle back… WTF would boxing be if the bar for stopping a fighter was SOOO low?? Reality is that was a HOMETOWN stoppage and there are no 2 ways about it…No one knows of Froch was gonna close out Groves or be on the deck AGAIN….Guys saying that Groves or Froch have a chance against Ward need to be committed, Andres a true master boxer who was flying Rodriguez head every chance he got… Froch is a banger, who is a tough over achiever but not close to Wards caliber as a boxer, I would not be surprised if Froch could not finish a second bout with Ward he’s slipping and could not beat Dre when he had a BAD hand…

Posted November 26, 2013 7:43 am 


WHAT!?!

Yeah spot on Decision. Groves showed everyone he could beat Froch in a war. Hahaha except for the stoppage and that he was completely spent and about to get seriously hurt. Otherwise he sure showed him. LOL

Posted November 26, 2013 7:21 am 


Decision

Ward beat Froch in his own boring manner, but Groves showed everybody that he could beat Froch in a war.

It is always interesting to see how much speed means in boxing, it is quite surprising, at least to me that Groves did what Kessler wanted to do, to Froch, but could not.

I only see Ward causing Groves trouble, in the Smw division, in the future, and Ward may go to Lhw.

As I said, in another thread, the ref should not be able to take out a fighter, as he pleases, he gave a badly shaken Froch lots of time, in the first round.

It doesnt matter what Froch says, he looked like a pubcrawler, throughout the fight, and should seriously consider going the same way as Kessler. A new Smw king has arrived. I even wonder if Groves could do well against Ward, with the speed he has.

Posted November 26, 2013 6:53 am 


MJames

The rematch must happen. Carl will have his legacy badly dented if he doesn’t give George a return.

Posted November 26, 2013 6:41 am 


KissingMary

Being objective, truth is Grove was hurt and hurt badly. Whether it should have been stopped will always draw questions since we were not in the ring and didnt see his eyes. A ref will tell you a boxers eyes tell you everything and Grove did look badly buzzed BUT……… He deserved to go out on his shield. He fought his heart out and should guts and courage during the fight. HE SAID HE WOULD MEET FROM IN THE MIDDLE AND FIGHT and HE DID. Froch was the one back peddling. To be honest Grove surprised me and earned my deepest respect. He has put himself on the SMW map and if the fight again, I think he will win if not stop Froch. He exposed Froch as being possibly a shot boxer who if he is smart needs to get out NOW ON TOP. This smells like Tarver vs Jones I. We all know what happened in II.

Posted November 26, 2013 6:02 am 


Boxing Barlow

When all is said and done turning your back on an opponent is good ring IQ. On that basis Groves is the smartest boxer I’ve ever seen and Froch is nothing but a mug. BTW Groves ko Ward.

Posted November 26, 2013 5:51 am 


Boxing Barlow

After watching the way Taylor beat up froch for the first 10 rounds. After watching how Froch was unable to land a glove on Andre Dirrell. Watching how Andre Ward completely out hussled Froch. After Watching how a slightly over the hill (as opposed to the completely shot) Kessler dominated Froch not just in boxing but in beating Froch at his own game. And now after watching Groves land shots at will and give Froch the nightmare of his life for 8 rounds. It has made me wish Calzaghe had of fought Froch before retiring. Joe was faster than Groves. He had a better output and threw more than Dirrell. He was ultra fit and could last 12 rounds easily unlike Taylor. Had a boxing IQ similar to that of Ward. And was able to dominate a fighter like Kessler at his peak. I honestly think Froch would have suffered a similar fate to that of Jeff Lacey. In fact the first 6 rounds of the Froch Groves fight reminded me of how Calzaghe took Lacey apart. but unlike Groves Joe would have been dicaplined enough to follow the job through. Although Froch was stupid enough to call for the Calzaghe fight the best thing that probably happened to him was Joe retiring.

Posted November 26, 2013 5:50 am 


Boxing Barlow

It would have been a double mugging if it were not for the way Froch had handled things since this outrageous decision. The fght was obviously stopped far too soon. Anyone with any common sense can see this and 99% on the general public are in agreement. Froch would do himself a lot of favours if he changed his stance on this fight. His current stance that the stoppage was just makes him look liek he is trying to take credit for a win that was not deserved. Over the years I have been a fan of Froch and his fighting style, but what has come out of his mouth has always put me off him. recently his performances have backed up his poor attitude but this has really made my mind up that I really dislike the guy. For me it goes back to when he was calling out joe Calzaghe. Whilst I understand that Froch was trying to goad Calzaghe into a fight, once it was clear that Calzaghe was firmly retired then Froch should have started showing Joe the respect he deserved, but to this day he has continured to trash talk Joe. I found the very hypocritical when you consider he has go soo upset for the way Groves has talked about him in the build up to their fight. Beyond this Froch also made himself look a idiot when he desribed himself as the best british boxer of all time after the Bute fight. That statment would sound arrogant coming from guys like Lewis and Calzaghe who retired at the top of their game, after conquoring thier division and leaving no shadow of a doubt who was the number one of their era. But neither of these two guys are stupid enough to make such an outlandish statement and instead leave it for us fans to debate their legacies. Froch on the other hand seems to think that his career outshines someone who kocked out Mike Tyson in Las Vegas!

Posted November 26, 2013 5:41 am 


Informer

Viewed the ending again. Good stoppage. Groves was badly hurt and 75% would not have lasted the round.

Posted November 26, 2013 5:36 am 


TARK

There is no doubt Groves was robbed. He would have KO’d Froch in the 10th.

Posted November 26, 2013 5:31 am 


spartacrust

I agree with this article…thinking about it I think froch would’ve genuinely knocked him out by round 11 tops! However groves did himself proud and fought like a true Englishman, one for the future, degale rematch first, chase steiglitz and then go for froch, and obviously a top trainer inbetween, Virgil or Freddie could be great for his career. Future champion in the making.

Posted November 26, 2013 4:55 am 


DMX

We all know what happened to Watson,
when he spent the entire build up moaning groaning how robbed he was against Eubank I telling anyone who would listen that he was the Peoples champ,
on every chat show, every newspaper article

Froch will make no mistake next time with Groves
There will be no emotion
It will be cold, clinical and decisive

NEXT !

Posted November 26, 2013 4:22 am 


OomJan

This fight reminded me of his fight with Taylor- Taylor gave him a boxing lesson for 11 rounds and 2 mins and then got stopped. Groves’s started getting involded in close quarter exchanges with Froch which played into Froch’s hands. If he just jabbed, moved and grabbed he might have made it. Froch is a unique beast in that he is painfully slow, off balance and has very little variation mainly coming forward with his head in the air. However, he seems to be immune to punishment and beats guys with far superior skill sets. He will get ko’d though if he carries on too much longer- he is just too slow……

Posted November 26, 2013 4:14 am 


Steve

@Sickman what the fight again, “2 consecutive punches” utter rubbish!! Groves was being battered for near on 40 seconds….

@Fish Eyes All the guys you mentioned were still able to defend themselves…….

Posted November 26, 2013 4:02 am 


rumpole

Froch is incredible. I remember when Pascal fought him and threw everything but the kitchen sink at him, and hit him with nearly all of it, I was amazed how someone can be so slow take so much punishment and keep coming forward, he’s like the terminator. It’s a shame he’s so damn unlikeable though, he never shows any grace or humility win or lose, always talking about being the better man etc, just comes across as very arrogant. He’d win a lot of people over if he just gave a little credit where it’s due, take Pacquiao as an example. The ref robbed everybody here, Groves the chance of recovering, Froch a possible stoppage and the crowd a possible classic, was he hurt badly? Maybe but who knows now. Surely these wars Froch is always in will take there toll.

Posted November 26, 2013 3:58 am 


TARK

Froch was coming on… Groves was fading… The stoppage was quick… Whatever happened, Groves wasn’t robbed … He was well ahead but had already taken more pure physical punishment. The tide was turing like after Froch’s horrible start in the Jermain Taylor fight … They stopped that one a little late.

Posted November 26, 2013 3:56 am 


Boris

BTW, do you know what the cards were at the time of stoppage? 2 of the judges only have Carl 1 point down… Does it say anything to you? IMHO it cries out that the whole fight was fixed. And the referee was a part of it too. Ironically he did disservice to Carl who began to prevail.
It anyone was really robbed here it’s us – the fans.
Groves was not helpless, he threw punches back. He could continue (he may take a knee if/when he’s really hurt). Carl may punch himself out and stop the assault. Many things could happen. Instead the referee fked it all :-( Just my opinion.

Posted November 26, 2013 3:43 am 


henry 5

I struggle watching every member of the so called super 6 and that includes Ward and now the froch rip off

Posted November 26, 2013 2:33 am 


srminimo

I don’t get why Froch is “losing fans” over this. What did the guy do except fight as hard as he could? You British fans are tough, man.

Posted November 26, 2013 12:19 am 


UFC DIESEL

Eddie Hearn is the only winner here. He is poisoning British Boxing a slow death

Posted November 25, 2013 11:22 pm 


Informer

If Groves was hurt and saved in this fight, then Provo and Alvarado should have been stopped before the second round. Hagler Hearns should have been stopped in round 1, with Hearns the winner. Jermain Taylor should have been given the victory against Froch.

Posted November 25, 2013 11:13 pm 


Informer

I have to say every time I view the ending of the fight I don’t see Groves being hurt 25% as bad as Froch was. Groves was not defensless. Groves was coming forward. Froch was not landing clean punches. I am not sure Froch even won that round. Even if the round would not have been stopped it would not have been a 10-8 round for Froch. This was more of a robbery of Groves, not a saving. Horrible stoppage.

Posted November 25, 2013 11:08 pm 


third world

it’s time to start talking about a rematch now as public opinion is divided down the middle. it was the most disgraceful stoppage i have ever seen.

Posted November 25, 2013 10:39 pm 


lman

Personally I think the ref did Groves a favour, he was looking exhausted and Froch was pouring on the pressure big time, I dont think Groves would have absorbed another 3 rounds of that kind of pressure. Also while I agree the fight was stopped prematurely Groves doesnt strike me as the kind of fighter that takes a knee or gets on his bike when he knows he is winning the fight.

Posted November 25, 2013 10:14 pm 


Stark

Why don’t we just start speculating how bouts will go? No one needs to make weight. No one gets hurt. Hey wait a minute! Don’t they have those computer simulated bouts. There we go!

I’ll be waiting for my congratulatory remarks

Posted November 25, 2013 8:28 pm 


Groves cry baby

He lost, he gave it the big one before the fight, I will do this, do that, you spent your energy trying to knock Froch out, you lost the fight get over it.

Posted November 25, 2013 8:00 pm 


Shane

Nice writing Carl. And comments under different names. JOKE.

Posted November 25, 2013 7:51 pm 


anon

Very good article. Finally someone with some sense who sees it as it is.

Posted November 25, 2013 7:29 pm 


rax

no doubt Groves was hurt and Froch was doing what he does and probably would’ve won the fight – so in that sense the author is correct Froch was robbed of a clear cut victory. but no one should deny the stoppage was too early. groves was hurt but when you watch the actual stoppage it was a combination of a push on the back of the head from froch and the ref grabbing him that turned Groves back and made him look much more vulnerable than he would’ve without the refs interference.
i don’t think there would be half the furore over this fight if froch had just acknowledged the stoppage was early. he wouldn’t be the first victor to do so. he still could’ve claimed that the ko was inevitable he just needed to show a modicum of the humility with this result that he showed post Kessler.
i know not all stoppage are the same but a good comparison here is to compare the bute stoppage

Posted November 25, 2013 6:59 pm 


Bern.

Great article Lee.

Posted November 25, 2013 6:54 pm 


J City

These Froch fans need to take the emotion out and see it for what it was A PREMATURE STOPPAGE. I’ve gained alot of respect for Froch over the years for the people he has fought, but to say that it was over in that instant..please…why didnt the ref stop it earliler when Froch was rocked and in the same situation, here’s the answer because Froch deserved the chance to keep going, just the way Groves deserved his chance in that moment…Could Froch have ended in it the later rounds? Could Grove have gotten a second wind? No one can answer that now, but to say Froch was “robbed” of the credit he desereves is a reach. Any fighter going for a belt, champ or contender, deserve that chance to regain himself if possible, so lets be honest with oursleves here people nothing was settled we have a fight that might have been a classic. Instead we have another controversial end….again

Posted November 25, 2013 6:46 pm 


Hidalgo

Froch looks like Groves busted his jaw. A rematch is definitely in order.

Posted November 25, 2013 6:43 pm 


Absolutia

I’m not saying Groves won’t want a re-match, but maybe he won’t. Emotions are still running high and what he says a day after, might not be what he feels a week; two weeks after, or when the contracts are to be signed.

That was a hard fight and he lost – despite executing his plan perfectly.

I seem to misunderstand your point. I thought you were suggesting that if Froch was allowed to carry on after being knocked down, and then was taking shots: then Groves should have been stopped on his feet.

Posted November 25, 2013 6:41 pm 


kato3388

Groves was done. There was way too much time left on the clock. Just a few weeks ago the pundits and boxing writers were clamoring for the heads of the NYSAC because they didn’t stop the fight soon enough for Mago. And because of that, poor Mago is in a coma. I believe that Froch was going to win and was on his way to a KO victory… but as the writer put it… he too was robbed of a dfinitive victory.

Posted November 25, 2013 6:39 pm 


piechucker

groves stopped returning fire?????? WTF????? that is a rather blatant historical whitewash. the footage is there for all to see. groves threw 4 punches in the last few seconds. what a silly opinion piece

Posted November 25, 2013 6:36 pm 


Creative

Absolutia- Sole basis of my argument wtf? Wtf are you talking about, look at my first post.
I never said that Foster should have only stopped it after Groves was knocked down.

I said the WRITER was biased to say that Groves would be KOd by Froch 100% as if it was a foregone conclusion even though he hadn’t been down yet.

Usually what happens in boxing, you would know this if you watch the sport, is that a fight is stopped AFTER atleast one knockdown occurs when the fighter either cant get up, or still gets pounded on post knockdown and cant defend himself.

Posted November 25, 2013 6:27 pm 


Creative

Groves has no interest in the rematch ? WTF? He has come out and said on talksport that he wants a Froch rematch Anytime Anywhere. Get with the times, dude.

Posted November 25, 2013 6:19 pm 


Absolutia

Creative – people will calm down a bit and upon re-watching the fight, they will see how much closer it really was. Groves may well have just fought the fight of his career against a British great – and well done to him, but it may well be him that has no interest in a re-match.

Again, using the on his feet / off his feet argument as the sole basis of your argument, is simply too ignorant of the complexity of physiology to justify an extensive response. People get killed in boxing: Groves was done.

Posted November 25, 2013 6:06 pm 


dan the man

Leo weaver. Im afraid you need to watch that fight again. Groves was no way out on his feet. Was fighting back and in the process of tying him up. Im not saying froch could not have turned it around but that fight should not have ended when it did and definitely not how it did. Ive no doubt froch will not give groves a rematch despite his claims to the contrary. Froch lost many fans saturday night while groves gained the respect of the whole of the MEN Arena and quite rightly so.

Posted November 25, 2013 6:05 pm 


Stone Face

Creative and Sickman

I agree with this article and its nice to read one that is not bleating on about how poor old George was robbed. Yes he boxed well against a 36 year old who clearly under estimated him BUT world title fights are over 12 rounds not 8. Froch is the master of soaking up punishment and grinding people down. Not everyone can box and move like Sugar Ray Leonard and fights are won more often by sheer toughness and resilience, which Froch has ridiculous amounts of and Groves unfortunately does not. The fact that the last round was the only time that Froch landed any clean shots and had Groves hurt straight away, while Froch was eating and walking through Grove’s big shots all night, proves this point completely. With all due respect you cant compare Froch with Kenny Anderson
Yes the stoppage was premature but this has probably helped Groves big time. He gets to complain how he was robbed and probably gets a lucrative rematch, which he would not have got had the fight gone on for a bit longer and Froch (probably) knocks him out.
Personally I cant see a different result in the rematch. George’s best chance was to surprise Froch, like he did on Saturday, Froch clearly underestimated him and nearly paid the price. However I cant see him making the same mistake again and already knows he can take Grove’s best shots. Looking forward to it though, as they are both superb to watch and dont do boring fights

Posted November 25, 2013 5:50 pm 


Pinhead

Well maybe the ref should stopped Gatti in the 9th round, I think he should have done, the bottom line is that Howard Foster was two feet from this and Froch was unloading and the ref had seen enough. You cannot bring up past fights.

Posted November 25, 2013 5:48 pm 


Fish Eyes

Based on the refs decision of this fight, fights like Ike v Tua, Barerra v Morales, Tyson v Douglas, Ward v Gatti, Benn v Eubank ect, should have been stopped about a dozen times each….

Posted November 25, 2013 5:43 pm 


Fish Eyes

K.C. Check out the bumps and huge swollen lips that Froch has on the other Ifilm video…

Posted November 25, 2013 5:43 pm 


Pinhead

K.C – agree enough was enough, most people who watch boxing love the blood side of it, the fight was over and the ref did what he though was right.

Posted November 25, 2013 5:42 pm 


Creative

Absolutia –
You just further prove my point by being hypocritical because you cant say that the fight should have been stopped even though Groves was still on the feet and not at the same time say that Froch should have been stopped earlier when he got pounded on while he was on his feet. Cmon man…

But don’t listen to me look at all the people actively involved in boxing throwing a fit saying that the stoppage was ridiculously early.

Posted November 25, 2013 5:41 pm 


K.C.

Groves “lives” to fight another day… Christ’s sake, look at his face

Posted November 25, 2013 5:37 pm 


Cliff Richard

Coz no other fighter had ever came back from a few punches like Groves took against froch…

Posted November 25, 2013 5:35 pm 


Absolutia

Creative – just because a fighter is on their feet, doesn’t mean that they are all right. Serious injury can manifest itself in all manner of ways and the amount of stress put on the nervous system in such battles is immense. You can be knocked off your feet and jump straight back up, alternatively you could develop a brain-bleed after winning a fight in which you were never wobbled – human body is a complex thing.

Posted November 25, 2013 5:30 pm 


Creative

I mean think about that a fight for the commonwealth title was let to go on for longer than a fight for TWO world titles. Groves was badly hurt but ,clearly the right decision was made back then as he destroyed Anderson two rounds afterwards… and yet some people still say last nights stoppage was correct. GTFO.

Posted November 25, 2013 5:21 pm 


Absolutia

What’s ‘utter rubbish’ sickman? Do you think it’s the worst decision you’ve ever seen? I certainly don’t and I’ve watched a lot of boxing.

Groves was hurt and exhausted – a dangerous combination; he was all over the place. It took 25 seconds from the moment he was hurt, until the fight was called off – it wasn’t two punches, don’t be an idiot.

To say Froch had no success up until the end, is also idiocy.

Posted November 25, 2013 5:21 pm 


Pinhead

I had to re-watch it again, Groves was game no doubt about that but on the final attack from Froch was swinging without looking at the target and just before the ref grabbed him his arms went down and he flopped over, Froch was blasting with full power and was not going to let him off the no matter what, Froch looked like sled dog……..he just wasnt going to stop, now i say great stoppage and perfect timing.

Posted November 25, 2013 5:20 pm 


Creative

RE: Absolutia Wasn’t even down? – “So as long as he’s upright he’s OK?”

Groves has been down before, he isn’t Magomed who will stand tall and although buzzed will be unable to fall to the ground because his chin is so rocksolid, no he was down vs Anderson, got up cleared the cobwebs and finished him.

Knowing his history I think its rational to expect him to go down if he was hit hard enough to be badly hurt. And give him some more time for gods sake to see how it pans out christ he spars david haye I’m sure he has taken some hard shots before, the ridiculous notion of Groves career being saved or his health being saved after taking two shots is WAY off base. A few more seconds could have told us all we wanted to know, but no the ref had to go and fk it all up.

Posted November 25, 2013 5:16 pm 


Dan

The first article to make sense. Chocky I’m not sure what article you read but the author certainly doesn’t agree with the stoppage. He does however identify that Groves was in deep trouble. If Groves was robbed so badly how come he is the only one to come out of this poor referee decision with any credit. I have to agree with this article, Froch was denied a career defining victory over a young hungry fighter that would only get better with time as Groves will have an excellent career ahead of him. Had the fight continue it was going in one direction only, Froch KO or tko

Posted November 25, 2013 5:03 pm 


Sickman

Absolutia – utter rubbish. All Froch did for the first 8 rounds was swing punches into air while Groves smashed them into his face. Froch lands 2 consecutive punches for the first time and the ref stops the fight. Yes Froch was coming into his territory and probably had a good chance to come out the victor, but Groves had an equally good chance. Utter travesty of a decision by the ref to end this fight just as it was starting to become competitive. Can’t believe people agree with this biased article.

Posted November 25, 2013 5:02 pm 


von Pugsly

You could argue it was a triple mugging. Froch was robbed of a legit come from behind win (IF he had managed to pull it off, by no means certain). Groves was robbed of a legit victory (he was winning when the fight was stopped). And then Groves was further robbed by all the inbred alcoholic limeys who in between their belching and farting opened their degenerate mouths to mutter some stark raving nonsense in support of Froch’s completely bogus victory. Anyone who thinks that was a legit stoppage is either a troll or suffers from an undiagnosed frontal lobotomy.

Posted November 25, 2013 5:01 pm 


Absolutia

Worst decision you’ve ever seen? – You can’t have seen much boxing then.

Wasn’t even down? – So as long as he’s upright he’s OK?

Posted November 25, 2013 5:01 pm 


Creative

Yeah such a mugging for Froch. He still keeps his world titles, gets another win, TKO no less. Sure he was booed and will lose fans, but he brought that on himself fully by not being man enough to tell things as they are concerning the stoppage and the story of the fight. Such a tragic mugging.

On the other hand Groves loses his undefeated record, has no world titles. And with him having to renegotiate his contract with a promoter, it puts him in a difficult spot, even though he was perceived as the victor by the boxing public. Furthermore after the hammering and complete schooling Froch received he may very well retire leaving Groves unable to avenge this ‘loss’.

Double mugging my ass.

Speculating about how Froch would have KO Groves is fantasy, totally irrelevant and seeing as Groves wasn’t even down yet, hopelessly biased. This Lee Weaver guy is delusional, someone shut him up please is anyone allowed to post articles on this site?

Posted November 25, 2013 4:58 pm 


Mel

Both guys deserve a lot of credit but I think a lot of the coverage of this fight has overlooked the incredible resilience of Froch. How the hell he did he win that? Like The Dude and others have said, this is one heroically hard man and it’s an honour to watch him fight.

Posted November 25, 2013 4:50 pm 


choky

what a biaised article – if u agree with groves stoppage then i dont think one single fight can go the distance – that was the worst stoppage i have ever seen- i even think the ref was corrupted

Posted November 25, 2013 4:47 pm 


TARK

Groves needs a great strength trainer… That long neck and big Adam’s apple did him in. He needs a much stronger neck, much stronger arms, and a much stronger torso… He’s fast enough. He’s smart enough. He punches fair enough. But he lacks strength and durability.

GG needs a better boxing coach too… He’s too easy to hit.

He needs to tighten his stance, get his head back, smooth out his footwork, and master up his defense … Right now he’s wide open like Wilfred Benitez or Tommy Hearns were. He’s a disaster looking for a place to happen. The wrong opponent and he gets KTFO… It’s, “Good Night Georgie Boy.”

The Froch fight should give him a clue. He looked like he’d been in a 12-round slugfest. Slow and awkward as he is, Froch’s face didn’t look quite as bad.

Posted November 25, 2013 4:43 pm 


abrakadabra

Spot on!!

Posted November 25, 2013 4:37 pm 


Furious Tyson

Good article. The first without bias and prejudice since the fight.

Posted November 25, 2013 4:15 pm 


Absolutia

Nothing wrong with that stoppage. Groves was under fire for 25 seconds and had opportunities to show he was still fit for combat – he didn’t take them: swinging punches into thin air isn’t good enough.

Boxing is not meant to be fight to the death.

Posted November 25, 2013 4:09 pm 


Leonard

Excellent article…..agree entirely!

Posted November 25, 2013 3:44 pm 


Pinhead

How he got up from that knock down defies belief, for a second or two he was out, got up grinned and got on with it. Groves will win a world title without a doubt, he was impressive and rose to the occasion with ease. Froch is a tough tough man, Groves looks like a fabulous boxer.

Posted November 25, 2013 3:32 pm 


curtley

Utter bollocks how does anyone know if George could recover or not when not given the chance, one thing is definite Froch has to give Groves a rematch or there will be a question mark over this fight.

Posted November 25, 2013 3:21 pm 


nzrdb6

Froch is the hardest boxer I’ve ever seen. Reminds me of LaMotta and Marciano

Posted November 25, 2013 3:18 pm 


Index info

Froch and Ward, horrible to watch with resumes of BS

Posted November 25, 2013 2:54 pm 


the dude

Froch always dis nothing different to his usual selse – he got smashed in the face tokk it and came through and found a way to win – the guy is simply an immense hard man

Posted November 25, 2013 2:46 pm 



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