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Clown face

Peej the reason for that is because he knew he was going to need the extra weight to take a lot of shots from Paul w., Paul has a very physical style and if he came in at 154 Paul would have overpowered him. Weight sometimes = strength. The breaking point for Sergio is about 152. Any lower and he would not be able to take heavy head or body shots, however if he is fighting guys at 154 he can still bring a lot to the table in terms of Stamina, speed,power and mental stability. If you drain too much then you start to loose some of those things mainly the ability to take a punch and mental stability. At the end of the day they have to starve to make weight,and then the question becomes how effective can they be once they get there.

Posted September 27, 2012 12:34 pm 


Peej

Yeah and I remember Mayorga always eating a buch of food when he was fighting at 147 during training and the day of his weigh ins so you saying Mayorga could of made 140. And since you say he weighed 156 and he can lose 2 more pounds then where does it stop? So if he made 154 then he could still lose another 2, and if he lost that he could lose another 2? It has to stop somewhere. So explain why he had to fight Williams at 157? Williams wanted the fight at 154 but Martinez said he couldn’t make the weight of 154. Why couldn’t he? He made 157 it was only 3 more pounds

Posted September 27, 2012 10:19 am 


Jonathon

No he didn’t say that, he said he would have to cut off an arm to make 147. Martinez was saying all along that he would drop to 150 to fight mayweather. Only since his last fight with Chavez does the Martinez camp say 154. But to sit here and say he can’t lose 5 pounds is riduclous, the man weighed 159 two weeks ago on Sept. 14 for the chavez fight. You’re an idiot.

Posted September 27, 2012 7:51 am 


Jonathon

wow, i guess that ends that discussion..

Posted September 27, 2012 7:48 am 


TheFacts

Good point, don’t try talking to these floyd/pac lovers though they’re in denial their idols are frauds.

Posted September 27, 2012 12:39 am 


Clown face

Peej you’ve convinced me that you are a unintelligent person, and that’s ok. For the last time Jackxss, Martinez weighed 156 in his recent Zinzerek fight, that is two pounds above the weight that you say he can’t make. Your just being a little bxxxh at this point. You know damn well that if he stopped eating 1″ porterhouse steaks he would weigh 154 EASY!! How retarded are you really? I enjoy a good discussion as much as the next man,but once in a while you run into a person with no sense,brains,facts or anything else to do but lay on his moms couch and masterbate thinking about a girl that don’t even know he exists,all the while his mom yells at him to get a job or move out……hugs!

Posted September 27, 2012 12:04 am 


Peej

So then what you are saying is Floyd can make 130 or even 135 since he has fought at those weights before? And Floyd weighed 147 for the Cotto fight. Please check your facts

Posted September 26, 2012 9:58 pm 


Clown face

Damn Peej, your head is like a rock, I’m not gonna argue anymore because you don’t seem to have the capacity to understand. You keep saying that a man can’t make weight that is only 6 pounds away!!!When your hero Chavez dropped 16 pounds before the Lee fight in one day!!! Any boxer in the world can do that. Next you’ll say Floyd can’t drop back to welter. Please don’t respond back, I’ve had enough of your silliness.

Posted September 26, 2012 6:47 pm 


destruction-destroy

thank you.common sense goes a long way.

Posted September 26, 2012 6:25 pm 


Peej

Dude Williams tried to fight him at 154 and he said he could not make 154, he put on too much muscle to fight at 160. His own promoter said he would have to cut off an arm to make 154. The man cannot make 154. It may be east to make 160 but that does not mean he can make 154

Posted September 26, 2012 5:58 pm 


Paudy

This aim of this article was to highlight the achievements of Sergio Martinez. Why people had to drag Mayweather into this I dont know. Can someone create a Mayweather free site??!

Posted September 26, 2012 4:52 pm 


Clown face

That is funny Chris!!!!

Posted September 26, 2012 4:14 pm 


E in Denver

Jumping divisions isn’t the only path to greatness. MW is a division that has a history of champions that maintained their weight & had longetivity. Most of Hagler’s biggest fights were guys that moved up. Same with Hops. A lot of Monzon’s HOF opponents came from a lower division. I do agree that Martinez should move toward unification. That is one thing that Martinez hasn’t done that the greats before him did. Martinez is attempting to use the business model that has become common for the top guys in the sport. Big name vs. big name= Big $$. Currently Martinez is the only “big” name at MW. Which doesn’t mean there isn’t worthy opposition. I would love to see Martinez vs. Golovkin. At this point in his career Martinez has maybe 2 years left as a top level athlete.

Posted September 26, 2012 11:32 am 


Clown face

Ok Peej, you don’t like Martinez I get it, but saying he can’t make 154 is plain ridiculous, didn’t you see the thick assed steak he was eating for the Chavez training camp? Most boxers eat 3 egg whites a day only to cut weight. If you think Paul Williams is a chump then you are the only one. He is like 6’3″ with a reach longer then Lennox Lewis, and he was throwing 100 punches a round! And to top it off he was rated #3 in the world pound for pound.

Posted September 26, 2012 9:17 am 


Peej

Apparently you didn’t read my comment. I gave him credit for the Pavlik fight. Williams is overrated and you should of known that. Why when he fought Williams the 2nd time he didn’t want to fight at 154? Cause he can’t make 154 thats why. I could care less how long you been watching boxing, I still know way more then and that is apparent by your dumb comments. Martinez has not fought the best and you check his record to verify that for yourself. Sorry bro but you need to get your facts straight.

Posted September 26, 2012 1:26 am 


Adrian

I see by your comments here that you probably started watching boxing for 3 years at most..
You say Martinez did not fight the best???? Lol
Pavlik ,wiliams, cintron were power house fighters at that time that most avoided them

Posted September 26, 2012 12:18 am 


Clown face

Peej you are really high, he weighed 156 for the zinzerek fight and he can make 154 EASY!!! He was eating porterhouse steaks in the middle of training for petes sake.After the Chavez fight his people already reached out to the Ward camp and asked for the fight at 164 catch weight. Ward declined, he is struggling just to make 168. Since you think you are a fight fan why don’t you know that?Because you did not see the latest installment of “The fight game” with Jim Lamply on HBO! I watch all things boxing and have for over 30 years which is probably longer than you have been sleeping on your moms couch. You don’t know shxt about this buisness. The only way Sergio goes down in weight to fight is if he gets offered one, and he hasn’t!!! And supposedly he is not fighting the best??? He fought PW which everyone ducked, he beat the lineal champ Pavlik, Pavlik beat Jermain Taylor, who beat Hopkins twice and Hopkins beat Pavlik at 175 but his middle weight title was not on the line so he was still Champ!!! These other guys at 160 don’t stand a chance either, that is why he wants Floyd,Cotto,Canello,or Ward at 164!!! He is a prize fighter and he is fighting for the biggest prize DUH!!!!!!!!

Posted September 25, 2012 11:20 pm 


Peej

Clown Ward said he is not movng to 175 at the moment, check your facts and he said there have been no discussions with Martinez about a catch weight fight and he is open for discussion. Get your facts straight. And yes he fought at 154 before, Floyd has fought at 130 before, can he still make the weight? No he cannot just like Martinez can’t make 154

Posted September 25, 2012 11:01 pm 


Peej

People yall need to get your facts straight. Martinez has not fought the best for his belt. Yes he beat Pavlik who was not at his best ever since be dismantled by Hopkins. Martinez hasn’t come close to fighting the best in his weight class, he has defended his Championship belt against B level fighters except for Macklin whom is a decent fighter and was beating Martinez before running out of gas but that is his fault. Martinez went for the weakest of the title holders. He also cannot make 154. If he could he would had done it already, he says he wants a good payday and there are way better paydays at 154 and he has yet to fight at that weight. He is scared to challenge anybody at 168 even at a catch weight. So stop with this Martinez is a monster fighting the best because it is simply not true. Check your facts

Posted September 25, 2012 10:59 pm 


p4pdodgersuperstar

thank you for pointing that OUT! people dont get it they think that floyd is the best but if he was at least a much more active fighter, boxing the best TWICE A YEAR i would have some respect for him. people always putting excuses FOR HIM how he was in jail and lost some muscle how about when he went on vacation for like a 11/2 year and came back fought ortiz nobody said anything instead threw flowers for that beautiful ”LEGAL SUCKER PUNCH”

Posted September 25, 2012 8:18 pm 


Don Quixote

Your stupid comment shows your lack of education. Not all of us are truck drivers or have the mentality of one. I only wish more writers like this would keep their good work for those of us who have a proper education….

Posted September 25, 2012 8:09 pm 


Clown face

Jimmy and peej you guys don’t know anything about boxing!! You dummies don’t realize that Sergo was already @ 154 and no guys wanted any, hbo offered him a fight at 160 and that’s when he moved up in weight. Ward said on hbo that he would not be strong enough at the 164 catch weight. Sergio’s team already tried to fight him but Ward said he wants to move to 175 because 168 is hard to make weight.Its funny how you guys run your mouth and don’t know what’s going on. The guy is only 5’10” and walks around at like 175 Ward is like 6’1″ and walks around about 192. Don’t interject your nonsense unless you know your stuff.

Posted September 25, 2012 7:48 pm 


dantheboxingfan

He was calling out Pacquiao AND Mayweather because they were #1 and # 2 P4P and Sergio was #3. He said his dream was to be #1 P4P. what would be the quickest way to move up the list then to call out the guys ahead of you…not to mention they were the biggest money fights to be had. Additionally he did say he was willing to go ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 150 to get those fights and they still refused. As for Ward, Sergio did not say no, he said he must move down to 160 to fight him, just as he said he would move down to fight Floyd or Manny. Stop Hatin!

Posted September 25, 2012 7:30 pm 


Gregory

Martinez has done it at 154 and at 160. That is fighting the best for the belt. When has mayweather done that? Martinez has fought in europe and in states. What has mayweather done? Yes, he was veri impressive at 130 and 135 but he somehow managed not to fight any of the elite 140, 147 or 154. At least on their prime weigh, for example hatton(elite 140), cotto (elite 140 and 147), pacman(elite at 147), martinez(elite at 154)..

Posted September 25, 2012 6:55 pm 


SAL.O

WHAT REALLY BOTHERS ME ABOUT SERGIO IS THAT HE WAS CALLING OUT MANNY PACQUIAO WHO IS WAY SMALLER THEN HIM AND SAYING THAT MANNY WAS SCARE OF HIM ..BUT !! BUT!! SERGIO WONT MOVE UP TO FACE ANDRE WARD..DONT LET THIS GUY MARTINEZ FOOL YOU.. SERGIO IS A HYPOCRITE …

Posted September 25, 2012 6:55 pm 


Jonathon343

First Mayweather hasn’t fought in over a year, so he is off the P4P list, until he schedules his next fight he is not considered, the dude fought 5 times in 5 years. Think about it from 30 – 35 years old (a fighters prime when you include experience) he fought just 5 count em, FIVE times. that is a JOKE! I fought more than 5 times in five years and I’m don’t even box for living!
Anyway he’ is off the list, Pc-man looked bad against Marquez and lost to Bradley, defensively he is not great. Ward is definately knocking on the door for #1 P4P but he is not there yet, maybe one or two more fights and he gets it. After that showing Maravilla had against a fighter who was basically a cruiserweight, including his domination in his last 5 fights against quality guys puts him at #1 pound for pound on my list!

Posted September 25, 2012 6:25 pm 


dantheboxingfan222

First Mayweather hasn’t fought in over a year, so he is off the P4P list, until he schedules his next fight he is not considered, the dude fought 5 times in 5 years. Think about it from 30 – 35 years old (a fighters prime when you include experience) he fought just 5 count em, FIVE times. that is a JOKE! I fought more than 5 times in five years and I’m don’t even box for living!
Anyway he’ is off the list, Pc-man looked bad against Marquez and lost to Bradley, defensively he is not great. Ward is definately knocking on the door for #1 P4P but he is not there yet, maybe one or two more fights and he gets it. After that showing Maravilla had against a fighter who was basically a cruiserweight, including his domination in his last 5 fights against quality guys puts him at #1 pound for pound on my list!

Posted September 25, 2012 6:22 pm 


dantheboxingfan

First Mayweather hasn’t fought in over a year, so he is off the P4P list, until he schedules his next fight he is not considered, the dude fought 5 times in 5 years. Think about it from 30 – 35 years old (a fighters prime when you include experience) he fought just 5 count em, FIVE times. that is a JOKE! I fought more than 5 times in five years and I’m don’t even box for living!
Anyway he’ is off the list, Pc-man looked bad against Marquez and lost to Bradley, defensively he is not great. Ward is definately knocking on the door for #1 P4P but he is not there yet, maybe one or two more fights and he gets it. After that showing Maravilla had against a fighter who was basically a cruiserweight, including his domination in his last 5 fights against quality guys puts him at #1 pound for pound on my list!

Posted September 25, 2012 6:22 pm 


dantheboxingfan

you forgot a KO of Sergei Dzinzurk who was undefeated and never knocked down once in his amatuer AND Pro career, Martinez knocked him down 5 times in one fight.

Posted September 25, 2012 6:14 pm 


Jimmy

lol @ Martinez fighting @ a catchweight. Martinez has done his work @ 154 and 160. He doesn’t need to climb to 168. If Ward is unwilling to drop to 160, you should simply hush, moron. Sergio began his career @ welterweight. If Ward wants to fight the best, he drops the weight. It’s that simple.

Posted September 25, 2012 6:08 pm 


Peej

And if Martinez could make 154 he would have done it already because there are better paydays there than at 160.

Posted September 25, 2012 5:56 pm 


Peej

Ward can’t make 160. That is a crazy statement to say Ward wants no part of him. Martinez is scared to chase greatness in moving up to challenge Ward even at a catch weight. He only wants to call out smaller fighters. He has yet to challenge the best challenger in his division and was chasing the weakest belt holder of them all. Does not sound like greatness to me. Yes he gets props for chasing his dream and is obviously living it. But hall of fame, nope, you have to fight some better comp than what you have fought

Posted September 25, 2012 5:55 pm 


E in Denver

A well written article. I enjoyed reading it. Keep it coming.

Posted September 25, 2012 5:52 pm 


TomHornIV

Wonderful article!! Congrats to the author. Sergio truly is a glorious shooting star streaking through the boxing sky. This guy is the poster child for overcoming adversity and determination.To have travelled all the way around the world chasing his dream and when he had finally arrived(Cintron fight), it was taken from him. And again in P. Williams I fight. Most would have given up at that point, but not Maravilla. In theory he should be undefeated( who knows about the Margo fight way back then). A total class act in and out of the ring. I hope he has a long and healthy life, he has earned it. Should be a future Hall of Famer.

Posted September 25, 2012 4:52 pm 


prof konje

A very good article. Martinez is all that is great about boxing while the WBC is everything bad. Chavez should have been ashamed for having accepted the belt that was GIVEN to him by his godfather (Suliman). Regarding Mayweather, people should look at his skills and not his personality. He is the best at his weight.

Posted September 25, 2012 4:44 pm 


Clown face

Sergio is #1 or 2 in the world, it also seems to me Ward wants no part of him at 160. Ward recognizes that he would need his full strength to take on Martinez. To me he is #1, if him and Floyd fight then we will know for certain.

Posted September 25, 2012 4:32 pm 


Hen-Dog

None of the boxers you mentioned has ever been P4P king and second Pacman and Money are in a different weight class… get your story straight because it’s making you look very dumb.

Posted September 25, 2012 3:59 pm 


TheFacts

Sergio considers the whole middleweight division his including 154lb he’s willing to defend his territory,Floyd considers himself the best & is 2x jr middleweight champion he fought & beat oscar,cotto what make another natural 154lb any different?Him having power & being able to match you?Floyd has the skill advantage not by far though but he does.Whats wrong is floyd wants to have every advantage possible & an even bigger reward like vs 38 yr old 135lb Marquez,that all goes away vs Sergio Martinez he is a a huge treat to floyds 0.Floyd/Canelo will wait till Sergio 45.

Posted September 25, 2012 3:31 pm 


The truth

Martinez IS BOXING. He fights whoever whenever. To be the best u need to beat the best. And he has proven that. It shouldnt be about what a promotor wants, and it shouldn’t be all about the money or who is the easier fighter! Just hope he doesn’t turn into a Mayweather or pacquiao picking easy fights or fighting washed up fighters or fighters over and over again. Can’t wait til MARTINEZ next fight!!! It will be a good one!!

Posted September 25, 2012 3:25 pm 


TheFacts

You’re catching on,sad most people don’t.

Posted September 25, 2012 3:25 pm 


Jude

Really good article, great use of imagery. Martinez, marquez, cotto, froch… These are my heros. Martinez`s story is what i love about boxing.

Posted September 25, 2012 3:06 pm 


Kid Blast

“…them very streets…” Yeech :roll:

Posted September 25, 2012 2:51 pm 


kenneth lloyd

I do not consider Mayweather or Paquciao to be pfp because Sergio has fought better competition than both of them. He defeated Paul Williams whom Pac and Mayweather both ducked. He also defeated KELLY PAVLIK FOR The middleweight crown :eek: and defeated Barker Matthew Macklin and Chavez jr. who outweighed him by twenty pounds. I also would like to bring up the fact that Martinez was supposed to fight Vernon Forrest before he died. I do not consider Paquciao or Mayweather in my top three because they both fight the same opponents after they are exposed or

Posted September 25, 2012 2:34 pm 


Joseph Herron

Bravo, Mr. Ivory…this is one of the best pieces I’ve read in a very long time within the boxing community. Very insightful and right on point. Beautifully crafted and your attention to imagery is impressive. I hope you offer more contirbutions to ESB…your brand of journalism is much needed on Eastsideboxing.com.

Posted September 25, 2012 2:30 pm 


bikermike

Of those who saw the first fight …..knew Chavez was going up against the ‘fkn prince of darkness’….but the kid stood his ground.

His stategy of smashing his opponent’s fists with his face ..;.just didn’t work very well…..

HIs effort to keep on ….keepn’ on…has totally changed my mind about Chaves Jr….his last rounds effort…made me more attentive to the ‘kid’
….Still…..Martinez would make a lot of money doing the rematch

Posted September 25, 2012 2:30 pm 


Daly jr

Nicely written article. Well done to you sir

Posted September 25, 2012 2:29 pm 


bikermike

yes…and that is refreshing….Class act

Posted September 25, 2012 2:26 pm 


bikermike

dino…you are entitled to your opinion…

Posted September 25, 2012 2:25 pm 


Dino

Love em or hate em Mayweather knows boxing and can fight, this guy is the real deal.

Posted September 25, 2012 2:20 pm 


Dino

Represents himself well in and out of the ring. Good man, class act.

Posted September 25, 2012 2:17 pm 



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