@boxing barlow “If froch does not give Groves his rematch he is a coward” Says you from the comfort of your chair, you complete wan*er.Posted December 2, 2013 4:10 am
SERIOUSLY INTERESTING COMMENTS from Virgil Hunter (ANDRE WARDS’S trainer) on FightHype website regarding the stoppage and what FROCH was doing that most observers would not have been noticing…..Posted December 1, 2013 1:44 pm
Gotta love Tark and te kids who think Vitali was robbed by Lewis.
That’s ridiculous that an early stoppage should not be called out ESPECIALLY if it’s in favor of the hometown fighter… You would give refs carte Blanche to simply halt the action anytime they felt if a guy got into the slightest jeopardy… You could basically kiss sluggers and action fighters goodbye because they always trade blows and take punishment..The same goes with obviously bad decisions it’s a blight on the sport and takes away from BOTH fighters ie Bradley vs Pacquaio where Manny was unfairly saddled with a loss and Bradley was disrespected due to the dubious nature of the scoring..Posted December 1, 2013 7:08 am
It’s easy to get emotionally WEAK and Monday morning Quarterback every fight after someone gets hurt OR like the NFL you can accept that brain injury and sadly sometimes death are consequences of boxing…Both Bradley and Abdulasamov were hardly the worst beatings I have seen, it was clear that Magos jaw might have been broken but we saw Abraham fight on with a gruesome fracture against Miranda..Letting guys take punishment is part of the job and when you get trigger happy you rob the boxer of the opportunity to advance and get the reward for the punches he already took in sparring (120 rounds) Boxings a cruel sport no two ways about it and to enjoy it, accepting some bad endings is part of the deal..Posted December 1, 2013 7:02 am
Rematch with Groves or retire. Don’t be a coward, Carl.Posted December 1, 2013 6:28 am
They gamble with his life and carriere tark , Provo fight was brutal fight and is a kind off fight trainers should stop it , he was lucky and got a decision but was a gamble with his entire health and carriere , if I was in his corner I would have stoped it in round 6 and let him continue his carriere because you can come backs from a loss but not from the injury like mago ….Posted December 1, 2013 4:00 am
Adrian…, Bradley spoke pretty well in the interview after the fight… I wouldn’t have stopped it… I know Bradley was in trouble but you have to let a guy fight out of it when he’s on that level.. A super important fight… As it is he got the Marquez fight and won it… He’s OK
Like I say… It’s a judgment call and the ref shouldn’t be slammed.Posted December 1, 2013 3:30 am
Actually Bradley vs Provo wasn’t stopped but that’s a classic dangerous situation for a boxer that should be prevented and save life’s …the fight ended with Bradley being counted …. Bradley said in face to face in hbo that he couldn’t speak for two months after Provo fight and that’s a very very bad sign…Posted December 1, 2013 12:48 am
Tark – there late “early premature ” stoppages and unfortunately “late stoppages ” sometimes in froch vs grooves case was classic premature stoppage which btw happened right in a midle of the ring refery jumping in grooves back ! That was pure bs , an example of late stoppage is the fight between Bradley vs prodvodnikov yeah Bradley survived but he could have lost his life that night the guy was out so manny times ,yeah he was throwing punches but clearly his sight was gone and was out but on his feet and that’s the most dangerous situation for a boxer and the refery and the corner should stop the fight and save the boxer , badley was lucky to survive that night .Posted December 1, 2013 12:42 am
I see people still droning on about Vitali vs Lewis 72 stitches his face was bashed Lewis got through ended it. Judges scorecards IRRELEVANT, Groves vs Froch same thing. Its like saying “if my aunt gad balls she’d be my uncle”!!Posted November 30, 2013 11:48 pm
TJ – After the recent Groves V Froch fight I have come to the conclusion I vastly under estimated DeGale. I used to rate Degale quite highly and Groves as a half decent fighter. I guess Im talking a bit like comparing Calzaghe with Woodall. I expected Degale to sort Groves out in a similar fashion to what Calzaghe did Woodall, but when this did not happen rather than elevate Groves up to Degales level I dragged Degale down to Groves’ level and wrote them both of as just being decent fighters, but guys who would fall short when they reached real world class level. If Saturday night proved me wrong bit time with regards to Groves, I now have to re-evaluate my opinion on Degale as their fight was really really close. However I would prefer for Groves to get his rematch and for DeGale to get his WBC shot in the hope that we get a Grove V Degale unification fight down the road. Once this has happened then we can move onto the winner looking at fighting Ward.Posted November 30, 2013 7:44 pm
It’s funny to me that the fans are always up in arms about an early stoppage.. Do they get as exercised about LATE stoppages??? Usually not. I know at least 20 ex-boxers who are suffering problems of one kind or another because of head trauma from boxing. It happens in American Football too, but I know really nice people who are extremely difficult to understand, their head twitches at times, they walk funny, or they have horrendous mood swings and think about suicide.
An extra round fought when it shouldn’t have been fought… an extra punch taken here or there, after a fight should have been stopped… That do-or-die effort to win that came up a bit short… sparring with championship caliber boxers when they couldn’t handle the work… Fights approved by commissioners when they knew the opponent was cannon fodder.
Boxing is a beautiful sport, but there’s a downside to providing this type of entertainment for the enjoyment of the world. You know, in his next assignment, Howard Foster is going to be more reluctant to step in. Nobody likes to be blasted in the media as an incompetent.Posted November 30, 2013 7:34 pm
The Great American Joke
Shane-were u born an AHole or did you have to work hard to become one?Posted November 30, 2013 6:56 pm
BOXING BARLOW, what do you think about getting DEGALE and STIEGLITZ involved in a four-way series of bouts to unify 3 of the belts?
EDDIE HEARN was licking his lips straight after the unsatisfactory result on Saturday, but if he is as great a promoter as he thinks he is he needs to look at the SMW long-term.
If ST GROVES does get an instant rematch with FROCH and wins, where does he go next?
It makes perfect sense to me to work with Hennessy and The Sauerlands to get their boys on board and either involve them in some sort of round Robin tourney or get both men in as interim fights before a hug summer rematch.
I seriously doubt CARL will want a immediate rematch with Groves, but if they can agree a summer bash in a footie stadium, it could be huge…
I doubt either fighter would wish to take 6 months off waiting for a June or July match without a fight in between.
FROCH being a double champion may well have another mandatory to deal with before he can face Groves, just like RICKY BURNS must face his mandatory TERRANCE CRAWFORD before he can oblige BELTRAN to a rematch he deserves.
Yes, FROCH has talked himself into a pickle, but I feel a bit of the blame should hi to SKY TV.
I have noticed that in the last year or so SKY have become deliberately mischievous in the way they have handled big matches looking at every opportunity to wind up the protagonists, in the case of DEGALE and GROVES, and now GROVES and FROCH and even in their GLOVES ARE OFF series! which is a far cry from how they used to sit on the fence and not criticise fighters during or after the fights.
They have take a leaf out of the GARY NEWBON book of 20+ years ago where on more than one occasion I thought he’d catch a few punches with his provocative post-fight interviews!
Wiser heads should have steered FROCH away from his answers as he was given an inordinate length of time with which to answer questions in the Immediate aftermath of his fight.
I have been around boxing in many aspects for many, many years and I will say once again! the fighters you see in the ring are many times VERY different to the ones you meet outside the ring. Sometimes nicer, other times surly, not nice to be around and nothing like the persona you see when the cameras are rolling.
Therefore, I take all fighters with a pinch of salt and generally rate them on what they do between the ropes and around boxing, those I know outside the ring I know and those I don’t I tend not to make a judgement until I meet them or trusted associates feed me back information on them.
Take what you see on the box with a pinch of salt. Everyone is selling an image of themselves, especially in this reality bubble BS!
you’ll be surprised at who is a genuine cat and who is bogus as hell. Let’s leave it at that…..
Anyway, If I were HEARN I’d make these matches happen real soon!Posted November 30, 2013 6:22 pm
And for the record I actually think Froch beats GGG and Chavez Jnr! Ward hands him a easy beat down in my book.Posted November 30, 2013 5:46 pm
TJ – I agree Froch was cheated too. its Froch who doesnt think he was cheated. Froch thinks the decision was a good one and thats where he looses his credability with the fans. Froch would not have been booed if he has just stayed nuteral about the decision, but instead he has tried to take full credit, and 99% of fans dont think that kind of credit is deserved.Posted November 30, 2013 5:44 pm
Ward fouled Kessler… That’s why that fight went to the scorecards.Posted November 30, 2013 5:43 pm
Vitali was still robbed… The cuts were slashed open with illegal blows and the fight should have gone to the scorecards like Ward-Kessler.
If it did Vitali would have won because he was winning on ALL CARDS.Posted November 30, 2013 5:42 pm
Tark – Vitali knew he was on borrowed time with all that damage, so he should have pushed for a finish – he was never going to complete 12 rounds. He never pleaded with the ref; he merely feigned outrage after the fight was called off.Posted November 30, 2013 5:34 pm
Let Carl end his career in Las Vegas. He doesn’t fancy another bout with groves. It would be an embarrassing losssfor Froch. He is in the twilight of his fght career. Let me get outclassed by Ward, Bombed away by Chavez jnr or golovkin. Hearn criticised the public for booing Froch after the fight in a recent interview. The public hate injustices Hearn you dodo! Froch has no humility and integrity. Just look at his post fight interviews. He is a man running scared. I bet he watches himself infront of the mirror when doing the deedPosted November 30, 2013 5:21 pm
Sredmond is always saying Lewis ripped Vitali’s face off…which is a joke. Vitali suffered no permanent damage—his face was slashed not bashed. Vitali landed 53% more punches in the fight and nearly knocked Lewis out in the 2nd round. Vitali was winning on ALL 3 SCORECARDS after 6 rounds.
The video record clearly shows Lewis raking Vitali’s left eye with the palm of his right glove, while Lewis was holding and hitting… These patently illegal tactics also opened up a massive slash on Vitali’s left cheek… Lewis NEVER stopped ANYONE ELSE on cuts, and he didn’t open those cuts with legal blows. Vitali is NOT a bleeder and never came close to being stopped on cuts before or since.
The foul blows meant Lewis-Klitschko should have gone to the scorecards, where Vitali should have won a UNANIMOUS DECISION … UTD 12.Posted November 30, 2013 5:16 pm
BOXING BARLOW, of course the stoppage was NOT FAIR to George, to CARL or to the punters. Regradless of who I like or dislike, I am a fan if boxing first and bad decisions are bad decisions.
FOSTER got it completely wrong on so many levels. I actually watched the fight again and he allowed too many infractions from both fighters.
However, regarding the stoppage I will write again! here in the UK we have a history of quick ref interventions usually to the benefit of one of our boys against foreign opposition where I have been left feeling dubious at best and dodgy dealings in other cases I won’t go into here.
Foster cheating ST GROVES, because this was a world title fight and regardless of his actions before the fight he deserved the chance to fight back or go out on his shield.
Foster cheated FROCH, because if he had let the bout continue CARL may well have stopped George with a minute left in the round and regardless his CAVEMAN, plan D seemed to be grinding George down and it would have been interesting to see what would have run out first… The sands of time for CARL or the engine and resolve of George?
Had FOSTER allowed the fight to run its natural cause FROCH would not have been booed, win, lose or draw and now, we really have two men left with bittersweet tastes in their mouths.
I will state it again, our British refs have been deteriorating over the last few years …. Remember IAN JOHN LEWIS with an even worse stoppage of ENZO Maccarinelli vs OVILL Mackenzie not that long ago? TERRY O’CONNOR’S dodgy scoring of TYSON FURY’S first bout with fat boy JOHN McDERMOTT…..I can think of loads more tbh….
Once again, HOWARD FOSTER got it completely wrong, but not for a moment do I think he is corrupt…. with the proliferation of world title bouts, we are throwing in refs who IMHO are not quite up to the job… but, to be fair I think refs from all round the world are getting worse! rather than better!Posted November 30, 2013 5:02 pm
Boxing Barlow ….respect to you my man, you stick to your guns without resorting to insults or nastiness and you are always honest and fair and I nearly always agree with you.
TJ – You think the stoppage was fair?Posted November 30, 2013 4:37 pm
bud the chud – I had a similar experience. I fancied Macklin to beat Sturm. Luckily as I know how decisions go in Germany (I still have nightmares of Sven Ottke V Robin Reid) I only put on what I could afford, but Macklin was not the only person to get robbed that evening.Posted November 30, 2013 4:37 pm
BOXING BARLOW, I’m letting you know what options are open to the ref. If a fighter turns his back it is a sign of surrender and the ref can look on this as a fighter trying to quit without the stigma of pulling a no mas!
Interesting…. Lyno just dropped Skeete in the 2nd and nearly finished him with seconds to go as he followed up…come on Lyno!Posted November 30, 2013 4:34 pm
bud the chud – Cheers pal I think we’re on the same page with this one, atlking common sense,Posted November 30, 2013 4:34 pm
HOWARD FOSTER is in the ring now reffing the COLIN LYNES (yes, he is still boxing) vs BRADLEY SKEETE bout…. will be interesting to see how he performs tonight….God forbid he stops the fight too late if someone gets in trouble!
Lyno was a good fighter and I hope he beats Skeete even tho he’s at the end of his career.Posted November 30, 2013 4:31 pm
bud the chud
I was very surprised WILLIAM HILL gave me 5/1 for groves to win on points, in hindsight it’s lucky I did not have more money available on the day as in my heart and knowing how well backfoot fighters do against froch even though groves did not fight that way I would have put every penny I own on groves… my house even but the one thing about gambling on boxing no matter how much you love it is that it is the dirtiest sport in the world, I knew the ref was on the payroll the day prior to the fight when froch was going outta his way to big him up in the SUN newspaper, letting froch hit on several breaks and rabbit punch done nothing to dampen that opinion and then obviously the tame stoppage lolPosted November 30, 2013 3:51 pm
bud the chud
BOXING BARLOW – the wisest comments I have read on this thread, not coming thru as a hurt fan of either fighter but a true expert of the sport, respect to you sirPosted November 30, 2013 3:28 pm
Hidalgo – I take it your not a fnad of sredmond? lolPosted November 30, 2013 2:29 pm
Aren’t we all so glad that we have SRedmond to speak for Mayweather and Ward? Always?Posted November 30, 2013 2:21 pm
“because Froch and Co lost CLEARLY to SOG does not fly to me…”
This is important too. LMAO!Posted November 30, 2013 2:20 pm
“Boxing Barlow, my comment was general and I respect you for giving Ward his due ”
LOL! Yeah, that’s important Boxing Barlow–get SRedmond’s respect…because you gave Ward his “due.”Posted November 30, 2013 2:18 pm
SREDMOND – I agree. Its up to Ward really. If he wants to shut those people up he will fight outside the US. If not he wont.Posted November 30, 2013 2:00 pm
TG – Lol I wouldnt go as far as saying I hate Froch. I disliked him from the Calzaghe goading. He then won my respect with his victories over the likes of Pascal and Taylor. And bythe point of this fight I was able to put up with listening to his idiotic ramblings as I was too busy cheering him on in his fights. I was on here backing him and was at the bookies betting on him to beat Bute. He did. I bet him to beat Groves and was supporting him on fight night. If he had conducted himself differently after the fight he would still have my respect as a person. As it stands though as a peprson I dislike him. As a fighter I still love his style and will continue to watch him fight. I just think Groves deserves his rematch.Posted November 30, 2013 1:54 pm
TJ – So Mayweather should have been stopped against Hatton then? Hopkins against Calzaghe? Fighters turn their backs all the time. Its not a good thing but its not worth a DQ and it shouldnt mean a stoppage.Posted November 30, 2013 1:49 pm
Groves deserves a re match weather he was running out of steam or not it was a bad stoppagePosted November 30, 2013 1:48 pm
Froch has tarnished his legacy by trying to pretend like his stoppage of Groves was legit. Anyone who isn’t an idiot knows that he’s deluding himself and whatever delusional fans he still has. The only honorable thing to do would be to give Groves a rematch. Froch is looking to cash out against someone else in Vegas. Therefore, Froch is not an honorable man nor a fighter to be respected any longer. That being said, Froch against JC Chavez Jr. would be fun and brutal. Maybe JC Chavez Jr. should pull out of the Vera rematch and they can market it as the battle for boxing’s most deluded chump-ion.Posted November 30, 2013 1:36 pm
Groves can take a lot away from this fight…His inexperience showed when he was surprised when he dropped Froch, mind so was Carl and so was I..I don’t think he paced himself well and thinking of himself as the victim, as well as others on here,should remember it was the ref who stopped the fight not Froch, he would have carried on throwing damaging punches at Groves.People are blaming Carl for this when in fact Groves instigated the stoppage by turning away..Why would Carl want a rematch with Groves when he can garner a mega fight with Ward,Groves whimpers on about how Froch should seal his legacy by fighting him….Go build your own legacy…Posted November 30, 2013 1:12 pm
JUST HAD A thought… The true winner of last weekend’s shenanigans is EDDIE HEARN… If he gets his act together he could organise a Super Four tournament or Triple Threat round robin tourney if he can link up with MICK HENNESSEY and Stieglitz’s people (Sauerlands?)
What we could have is Froch’s two titles and Stieglitz’ baubel up for grabs, with the subplot of either REVENGE for Groves, REDEMPTION for Froch and stick in the wildcard of DEGALE UNFINISHED BUSINESS, with the wafer thin decision that went against him and a chance to Unify 3 of the 4 belts if Stieglitz climbs on board.
COBRA is 36/37 years of age and could go at any time after last weekend’s poor showing, Groves can prove he isn’t a flash in the pan and DeGale can shine brightly and we could have a super series of All-British fights, where there is serious animosity between the combatants
Add Stieglitz to the mix andwe have a seriously good series of match ups to keep the SMW at the top of the mix for a long while and dare-I-say it tempt SOG to face the winner or even get involved himself….
HEARN musty be thinking this himself as he is not one to pass up on a buck…
Did anyone notice his beam, like the CHESHIRE CAT at the result??? – it was possibly the best result he could have dreamed of…. A ready-made huge summer rematch and if he can sort it a possible round robin series between these guys would be huge….Posted November 30, 2013 12:58 pm
be thankful for a good fight,unlike those big useless hw pricks on every other week.Posted November 30, 2013 12:49 pm
You are incorrect again…. If you turn your back on your opponent in the ring it is a sign of surrender and the ref is within his rights to stop the fight in favour of your opponent, to deduct you points or even to disqualify you….
Just, like ducking below the waist or sticking your head out the ropes, it is considered ungentlemanly conduct and it is up to the ref to take action.
Turning your back on your opponent instantly means he cannot punch you as you have offered him no target with which to hit him….
GROVES did this on two occasions in the bout, the second time moments before Foster stopped it…. He only has himself to blame!Posted November 30, 2013 12:46 pm
Boxing Barlow, my comment was general and I respect you for giving Ward his due (I noted that first time around) explain to me why the bleating of butt hurt fans should make for a venue change? by this rationale EVERY fight should be conducted in 2 places regardlesss of results??? Does that make sense…. Calzaghe got grief because fighting away from the BIG stage (US) kept him outta bouts with top talent till they were in their 40′s and when he dusted Lacy in the UK you did NOT hear US fans saying “well he needs to face him in the US for the first result to stand”….. This is some NONSENSE that Kessler and Froch fans concocted because they were stunned with the ease of Dres climb up the ladder….If the bouts were close I might listen to the argument but they were NOT and both men had advantages they could have exploited ie experience and Ward with a damaged hand this is just SOUR GRAPES in my book…Posted November 30, 2013 12:33 pm
Carl: I am a huge fan, but seriously: you owe this man a rematch.Posted November 30, 2013 12:22 pm
SREDMOND – You need to re read my post. I have no axe to grind. I am a fan of Ward and think he would whoop Froch in a return. Whether that be in the UK or on mars! What there is though is an argument that Ward should fight abroard. Whilst I do not jump on this band wagon there is remians that argument and Ward had the opportunity to wipe that argument off the table by coming to fight Froch in the UK.Posted November 30, 2013 12:07 pm
Froch claims that Groves was headed to his death! which is serious hyperbole on Carls part… Fact is that Froch was in serious danger of losing that fight using past exploits to justify a present day QUICK stoppage is bogus… The ref is the culprit in this scenario and its dubious that it occured in Frochs backyard, he literally STOLE the ending had Froch stopped Groves then all respect to him but we did NOT get to see that or the possibility of Groves rallying because the ref provided Froch with an on the spot “Pardon”and relieved him of having to overcome his deficit on the cards…..Posted November 30, 2013 11:57 am
I think the Taylor and Groves fights provide an interesting contrast. When you watch Round 12 of the Taylor fight it’s clear that Taylor is given every chance to make it to the final bell. At the time of the stoppage every last ounce of resistance has been hammered out of him. Surprise surprise, no clamour for a rematch and Carl gets all the credit for turning it around. Even with 15 seconds of the final round remaining there’s no case for taylor to be allowed to continue. Watch Round 9 of last Saturday’s fight and you’ll see a corrupt ref jump in at the wrong time, taking the first opportunity he can to hand the fight to Froch. Just like that!! Injustice. Absolutely appalling officiating. Regardless of whether Froch was in the ascendancy at the time he got a gift and he knows it. The ref spoilt the ending, so now there’s unfinished business for Froch. Come on fearless Mr Warrior, you’ve got something to prove now……Posted November 30, 2013 11:51 am
Froch as the LOSER and the guy with something to gain (a win) should be willing to do whatever it takes to get another shot… NO ONE thinks that Froch is a better, more skilled fighter than Ward… He is TOUGH but slow and predictable and his determination has worked for him most nights but its for naught against Ward… Froch has said “he owes Groves nothing” when there is a HUGE controversy over that refs stoppage MEANWHILE Andre Ward beats Froch CLEARLY with a bad hand and he is in Carls debt somehow?? Explain how this works? a few pissed off or questionalbe UK fans mean VERY little to a US fighter who has to build his audience here… You think Floyd lost sleep when he bashed Ricky Hatton and his rabid fans wept? reality is that Mayweather has gotten richer than Jesus doing his biz on the biggest stage which is still the US….Posted November 30, 2013 11:49 am
Boxing Barlow, having some sort of historical axe to grind because Froch and Co lost CLEARLY to SOG does not fly to me…The FACT is that Froch did not fight Ward “at home” he faced him in Atlantic City which is the East Coast (Wards from the West)…. The Super 6 was a tourney and everyone knew the stakes and you had to beat the guy in front of you no handpicking…. Ward did that and he deserves his place in the drivers seat, Froch fans are soon to be treated to Carls retirement he is not long for the ring that said he is of minimal value to Ward who already owns his scalp/…UK fans are never gonna make Ward rich in the long run so who REALLY cares??Posted November 30, 2013 11:45 am
if you”re a 25 year old fighter running out of gas after 8 rounds,than you should be doing real roadwork and leave the weights alone.Posted November 30, 2013 11:27 am
SREDMOND – I always thought Ward should have come over to the UK to fight Froch. But only as I thought this was the fair thing to do as Froch had gone to the US to fight Ward. Also there is no doubt in my mind that having a home fight is an advantage, and the super six proved that as pretty much every fighter won at home. Dont get me wrong I think Ward is pure class and would have handed Froch a worse beat down than first time around, but from Wards point of view it would have shut up those who are screaming for him to fight away from home. Also up until last weekend it seemed that after the Kessler and Bute fights Froch had firmly established himself as the number tow in the division so it was the sensible fight to make. Now though I see little point to the fight full stop.Posted November 30, 2013 11:25 am
PSY, I could care less if Ward fights Froch as long as it’s understood who the BOSS is, this crap about Ward needing to face Froch on Frochs terms is crazy… Carl Froch is an easy night for Ward, let him get his azz over to the US if he wants a crack at avenging his prior domination..Posted November 30, 2013 11:04 am
Lewis dd not need to give Vitali a rematch, no sane person can say the ref was premature the mans face was torn off and he was given 3 rounds to get a KO with those worsening injuries…Groves was pulled outta the fight when he had the slightest moment of jeopardy, I would not have agreed with that stoppage even if Groves had been losing the contest.. It was a travesty…Posted November 30, 2013 11:00 am
Groves did NOT try to run and if you are gonna try and use Magomeds tragedy to justify and early stoppage then why not ban boxing all together?? Fact is that Groves was less hurt than the older Froch was early in the fight, he was trying to fight back and the ref cheated him of his hard work… Guys don’t train and spar 8-12 weeks so an anxious ref can hand another boxer the win.. Monday Morning Quarterbacking the Abdulasamov story is WEAK, things like this are always gonna happen in boxing, because the sport is built on brain injury… Sad but true!Posted November 30, 2013 10:47 am
Groves is a big mouthed i***t. Why didn’t he stop Froch in six rounds when he had the opportunity. The fact is that he was hurt, he turned around and tried to run before the ref stopped it. Why didn’t he use acceptable survival techniques like holding or movement. When a fighter turns the other way, it’s an indication to the ref that he’s had enough. With unfortunate accidents like that of Mago, I think it’s reasonable for the ref to save a fighter who shows signs that help is needed. He needs to learn to be gracious in defeat like Malik Scott was, and give credit to his opponent. He outboxed Froch for much of the fight, but faded in the championship rounds. He would not have made it past that round, had the fight not been stopped. He says he’ll come back stronger, but there’s no guarantee of that. How an undefeated fighter handles defeat can never be predicted. Jeff Lacy was not knocked unconscious after the Calzaghy fight, but he was never the same. Boxing is a mental sport, and defeat can mess with the mind of any previously unbeating fighterPosted November 30, 2013 10:29 am
The thing is the fight that makes most sense by a country mile is one with Groves! Other names have been mentioned. The fact Lewis never gave Vitali a rematch. But Lewis retired. Hatton never fighting Witter, but that fight never made sense financially, and whuilst it was a fight the fans would have enjoyed, no one was calling out for it in the same way they are now calling out for this fight. I’ve always thought froch was an absolute warrior, and whilst he talked rubbish he would go down as a great fighter due to his take on all comers attitude and the standard of opponent he faced. But his mouth has really dropped him in it here and he’s lost respect of the fans. Because of the way he has conducted himself we are all now behind Groves and want to see him woop Froch big time.Posted November 30, 2013 9:23 am
After last Saturday night Ward Vrs Groves is a more legitimate fight than Froch Vrs Ward!Posted November 30, 2013 9:18 am
I believe froch will see what options he has got before making his decision but one thing is for certain if he doesnt rematch george groves he will be labelled a coward which is the opposite at what froch portrays himself to be.Posted November 30, 2013 9:16 am
UK ‘fans’ appear to be very Fickle.
@ Sredmond : why are you so against Ward fighting Froch again? It is no less a less valid fight than Edwin Rodriguez was, and I don’t recall you getting in such a frenzy about that.Posted November 30, 2013 9:06 am
Aaaah the hatred for Froch shows the bias of all posts. Whether you are a Panther that hates whites or disenchantment from numerous Froch wins that you bet against due to your heart and not head. Froch won by TKO. FACT!!! It wasn’t premature and it wasn’t a gift. Too many spectators fooled by bias Watt commentary. Groves dipped to the canvas seconds after the last hit to the head with the Refs arms wrapped around him. Groves was spent, done and dusted. There was still 3 full rounds to go. Try and look at the bout as a neutral. Groves had the element of surprise and fought well for 6 rounds. That won’t happen again in a rematch. On the point of Ward, if he ever wants world wide respect he needs to get a passport. I have no doubt he would beat Froch in the UK, but until he ventures away from home he gets no respect for his dirty, boring fights in front of 20 fans. My advice, grow a set, travel and win that respect.Posted November 30, 2013 9:06 am
bud the chud
Its kinda funny that outta taylor, dirrell, kessler, ward and groves the only rematch carl wanted was a shot kessler, I hate froch more as each day passes!Posted November 30, 2013 8:29 am
bud the chud
What really makes him think he deserves a rematch against ward but groves dont deserve one against him? Froch has done ok but taylor, dirrell, peak kessler, ward and groves all had his number, a million miles away ftom the hall of fame and by the looks of ducking a rematch with groves a once proud warrior has now become a coward too!Posted November 30, 2013 8:23 am
BTW… THE SHOT THAT DROPPED FROCH caught him when he was square on, with both his feet under him…. Yes, Carl was hurt, but tried to instantly rise…. His legs did a wee-dance for a couple of seconds along the ropes, but his head was clear as he was indicating to the ref…
I don’t see how anyone could think he was in danger of being KO’d! It was seconds to go before the bell and Groves didn’t wade in to try and finish it.
I remember once when I was boxing, getting caught with a wicked right hand somewhere between my left ear and jaw… It made both my ears buzz for a second, but I was still focused, although it felt like an explosion between my ears… That was the hardest punch I’d ever taken in a boxing ring….I gritted my teeth, which were also buzzing and waded in to my opponent like a nutter….
George was clever…. He fought the whole fight out of a semi-crouch, which I think fooled Carl, as his last fight (Grove’s best performance) he boxed tall, long with two-handed, two-fisted attacks vs ROAD WARRIOR….
What perplexes me is that FROCH had not only ROB McCRACKEN in his corner, but also BARKER’S Trainer TONY SIMS in there and they didn’t seem to see the subtle changes Groves had brought to his game – although IMHO Groves was open to a right hand counter all night if only FROCH could have slipped into range – but he chose to neither box long enough to have Groves reaching or reduce the distance to expose Groves midsection to his uppercuts…..Posted November 30, 2013 8:16 am
bud the chud
I used to be a huge fan of froch but cant stand him after his post fight interview, if they fight again he loses hands down, without the ref groves beat him at his own game, imagine the mess if groves comes in on the next one with his degale plan, all that is left now carl is the lennox option ( take a whupping and retire so u dont get a next one )Posted November 30, 2013 8:15 am
And I cant see how a Ward fight, which would nt bring much interest from usa fans as they’ve already seen Ward hand froch a comprehensive victory, would make Froch more money than a Groves rematch. This fight was hyped as a equivalent to Eubank Benn. I didn’t buy into that but I think the rematch would be. This isn’t just a good fight now but it has a story and drama to pull in the fair weather fan. Not only that but i think as a uk boxing fan we seen last Saturday that we’ve got a fighter in our ranks who could go onto be one of the best of his generation. Groves v Ward is the future super fight. The super six cleared most of the division out for Ward leaving him little in the way if serious contenders, but now we have George Groves.Posted November 30, 2013 7:37 am
Froch is a coward if he doesn’t fight groves again.Posted November 30, 2013 7:31 am
Sredmond, froch earned millions of pounds his last 2 fights. Ward is not an earner. He is not ppv is he? He is the best but boring, no one wAnts to see him. Could he fill anything outside Oakland? Froch sold out two 20,000 arenas. So stop talking nonsense.Posted November 30, 2013 6:42 am
Got to agree with sredmond on this one , froch is NOT In a position to dictate terms for a possible fight with ward wich I also agree is a losing one for froch anyway …Posted November 30, 2013 6:05 am
I’m not sure how you guys count PPV in the UK but it does not add up to what a PPV fights produces in the USA. Froch, Hatton, Joe cal none of those guys make or made anywhere near the money Mayweather, Pac, Jones, even crazy Tyson. USA is where the cash is as at if your in boxing. Sure you can fill a 20k stadium with tickets priced at what 50 pounds. Beer and a hot dog cost your ticket price in the USA.Posted November 30, 2013 5:03 am
I think Froch deserves some credit for digging in and turning the fight round when things weren’t going according to plan early on. His timing and balance were shaky for the first six rounds but he hung in there and enjoyed a lot of success as Groves tired. The ref made a shocking call – jumping in way too soon and robbing the fans and both fighters of a proper conclusion. The ref helped Froch out by being so hasty about pulling the plug. There’s unfinished business here, unlike with the Froch-Taylor fight which followed a similar pattern. No one was clamouring for an immediate rematch for Taylor, even though he led on points at the time of the stoppage. That’s because Tayor was given every chance to hang in there and stay on his feet – he couldn’t do it. Groves was a mile ahead but not given the same chance. As soon as Froch started landing the corrupt ref jumped in and handed the fight to Carl. If I was him I wouldn’t want to win like that. Groves is more than capable of winning a rematch if Froch does the decent thing. Like I said – Froch got the win but it wasn’t conclusive. But blame amateurish refereeing for that.Posted November 30, 2013 4:49 am
Doesn’t Froch realise his legacy is ruined if he doesn’t fight Groves again?Posted November 30, 2013 4:17 am
Slater is so cringe worthy at times.
Froch has to fight Groves to remove doubts about the way he “won” last week’s fight. Groves was easily dealing with Froch, and Froch started to come on late; he could well’ve stopped Groves anyway (in more sensational style- had the action been allowed to continue), but he should focus on proving that he deserves that win. Considering 90% of the fans believe he didn’t deserve to win it.
If he fights someone else it’s because he doubts himself against Groves.
And suggesting “imagine if Froch beat Ward in a return”……?
As if! Froch was dominated by Ward and would be again, probably in more definitive fashion.
Forget anyone else; Carl needs to put a stamp on his unfinished business with Goerge first, lest he loses all credibility with his fans.Posted November 30, 2013 4:01 am
Froch is NOT some massive earner and his career is close to done, Ward has many years left in boxing barring injury… He can continue building his legacy and his marketability…It’s foolish to pretend Carl Froch represents some sort or career payday, Mayweather and PAC did not start making the insane $$$ till after 30, maybe Dre does one day maybe not but one things certain Froch does not bring the type of money that’s gonna make him bend over… Wards been discussing a PPV worthy bout and that’s not something Froch brings to the table..Posted November 30, 2013 4:00 am
Froch Fans have been acting like Ward owes him something because he beat him in Atlantic, or that Ward has something to prove… Both concepts are PURE nonsense, Froch got a crack at Ward when he had a BAD hand and dropped a UD…I know you guys dreamed of a future where Froch and Kessler were NOT fighting for a distant #2 slot but that’s the reality Ward cleaned out the division and both of them in the process…The axe they have to grind with this fighter is unwarranted and the whining about switching venues with guys you dominated makes NO SENSE Froch feels he owes Groves nothing after the travesty that occurred, WHY in the World would Ward feel as if he needs to pander to Carl Froch who’s close to done..!!Posted November 30, 2013 3:51 am
Ward does NOT have to fight outside the US to appease the fans of some guys he already beat, just being brutally honest the perspective of Froch/Kessler fans is not important relative to the World Stage these guys did some work during their careers but it’s simply OVER for them… Froch has done nothing to be rewarded with setting the terms for a possible Ward bout, UNLESS you consider already being dominated by Ward and then a fight where he looked terrible against Groves of all people and benefited from a terrible call on the refs part…On what planet does this give him the clout to call shots? Ward took a comeback fight against a ranked unbeaten contender and put on a clinic…Posted November 30, 2013 3:32 am
I think Ward will go to the UK to fight Froch… He’ll be happy to fight Carl anytime or any place.
Groves needs a few more fights to polish up his defense, stance, footwork, and overall game … He’s not ready for world level–but will be.Posted November 30, 2013 3:07 am
The most interesting fight is a rematch against the young gun Groves. No one wants to see Ward kick Froch’s sorry ass into retirement despite the Frock fanboys clamouring for a rematch in Vegas – can you even imagine how boring it would be to see Ward completely outclass Frock again – we’ve seen this fight before.. Why not take Groves to Vegas :-))) At least it seems Brits and Americans alike might want to see Frock put on his sorry-ass again by Prince George.Posted November 30, 2013 2:38 am
Killing Moon The Soothsayer
If he’s going to retire plz don’t go out on two snoozefest fights vs Hopkins and Ward….I would prefer a Groves 2 (Give the kid a rematch) and a Kessler 3 (If he doesn’t retire and both fights were modern day classics)…..Posted November 30, 2013 1:08 am
Wasn’t Froch just claiming he still had plenty of fight in him… that he still had a number of fights left to fight? Yet now, after the Groves fight, he says he’s ready to wrap up his career. Seems Groves has scared Froch into retirement.Posted November 30, 2013 12:32 am
Froch reputation so far was that he wasn’t afraid of anyone until now , he just meet someone (grooves) who is very similar as him when it comes to toughness so if froch does not fight him next then I just don’t care who he fight next because if you call yourself a warrior and don’t fight someone like grooves who stud there and traded with him all night plus was ahead on scorecard when refery prematurely stop the fight !Posted November 30, 2013 12:29 am
Wise choice. Paxman’s a tough nut and you and I know it.Posted November 29, 2013 11:57 pm
Paxman would ask Ward 50 times, why don’t you fight away and Ward would not answer.Posted November 29, 2013 11:54 pm
And he’s still the better boxer…whether you like it or not..Posted November 29, 2013 11:46 pm
So what. Ward is being interviewed by Jeremy Paxman AND Jonathan Ross.Posted November 29, 2013 11:45 pm
And Ward is probably more well know in the UK than Froch :-)Posted November 29, 2013 11:42 pm
Froch is on the Letterman show next week, is Ward, no.Posted November 29, 2013 11:42 pm
Froch is probably more well known as a boxer in the USA then Ward is.Posted November 29, 2013 11:38 pm
He is not the champ with Boxing fans, not at all.Posted November 29, 2013 11:31 pm
Yeah your right Froch gets paid more and sells out. If your satisfied with that then that’s fine and dandy. Fact is Ward is the champ and if your not wanting to fight him then your not the best. Most fighters want to be remembered and make money. Not just make money.Posted November 29, 2013 11:29 pm
Froch has to make it worth it to fight over there. Ward is the champion. If not then he can fight over here. Plain and simple.Posted November 29, 2013 11:27 pm
Froch would beat Groves easy in a rematch, Groves has done have everything he could to beat Froch, the build up, the fight, it will be asy for Froch next time.Posted November 29, 2013 11:23 pm
Ward don’t rule, Froch does, he gets PPV earns double what Ward gets in fights, fills 20-000 arenas within 11 minutes, he is WBC, IBF champion, and Ward get injured again soon with his shoulder, another year out.Posted November 29, 2013 11:20 pm
Always been a massive fan of Froch’s since back in the day when he won his Lonsdale belt outright, but if he don’t rematch Groves then he can kiss goodbye to 99% of his fanbase and future in the UK.
His son Roco will repeat history by fcuckin him off as a coward mug if he don’t give Groves the rematch.
His old lady will hangin off James DeGale’s nutsack inside two years and he’ll be the nomark he was two years ago.Posted November 29, 2013 11:19 pm
Listen, you are saying Ward will get robbed if he fights away, it is just your excuse to say why Ward will not fight away, instead of at home all the time, Ward will not fight away at all costs, all this dodgy refs, decisions etc, rubbish, Ward is a stay at home fighter, he fought all the fights at home in the international super six tournament, Ward needs to get a passport, then he may get some respect, which he will do as he does that.Posted November 29, 2013 11:11 pm
Froch has shown NOTHING when they met in the ring NOR since his latest contest to give him the ability to dictate terms to Ward… Who is the Fcking Ring Champ here? Who is P4P #2 in the World? Froch fans can dig a mass grave and jump in I would be HAPPY to shovel the dirt on their corpses the reality is that Ward is the BOSS a distinction earned in the ring… Froch and Kessler trading close losses to eachother can venue switch all they WANT, WHO CARES??? At the end of the day its about results, we saw Froch damn close to being upset and the questions he needed to answer, answered for him by an OVERZEALOUS referee…”Fight Away” Being the Champ, Being the Winner has its priviledges and WHINY Froch fans cannot get Ward to abdicate his…Posted November 29, 2013 11:07 pm
Froch is NOT coming to Vegas to fight Ward he does NOT wanna end his career on a loss like that… Its smart to try and pass off the fact he was the beneficiary of some HORRID refereeing by saying “Groves was destined for death or a wheelchair”… Now he wants to raise the idea of facing the heir apparent to Floyd Mayweather (Andre Ward) in Vegas… Well NEWSFLASH what fighter of Wards level who ALREADY got an EASY UD off of you is gonna fly to Nottingham after that debacle?? You would have to trot your azz over to the US and take the ensuing beating… Froch is tough but being unable to handle the Groves of the World in a clear fashion bodes poorly for him improving on his performance against the now surgically repaired and rested Andre Ward…Posted November 29, 2013 11:04 pm
Ward will not fight away, Froch knows this, so you just get on with it, no point in getting Ward to fight away, it is like talking to a brick wall, not worth it.Posted November 29, 2013 10:58 pm
Away day… “You have to take a shot so you can land yours.”
You don’t but Froch has to… The objective is hitting the other guy without getting hit yourself… sort of like Andre Ward does.Posted November 29, 2013 10:51 pm
I find it funny he is now wanting to fight Froch in VegasPosted November 29, 2013 10:50 pm
Froch has took hundreds of power shots in his career, yet only a couple have dropped him, straight back up as well ready to go, his chin is granite which is why he has beat top fighters, you have to take a shot so you can land yours, which is why Froch will be in the hall of fame as a great fighter, when he has retired, you will look back to see how great Froch was.Posted November 29, 2013 10:37 pm
Ward will see his whole career out in Oakland, well done.Posted November 29, 2013 10:26 pm
@Drag-Goon. Who needs Andre Ward? Carl Frock that’s who..Posted November 29, 2013 10:25 pm
Well I must say you have more action in the posting Wars than any klitcho fight I have seen. Froch will take on Ward for a big last fight or he might try to talk Tripple G into a battle. end result Froch is not getting younger and he has been through some battles. give the man his due he got up off the Matt and came on strong stopping Groves. with that said Groves is strong and showed great potential I would to see him rumble with Kessler or maybe give the winner of Pascal vs Bute a battle.Posted November 29, 2013 10:04 pm
Froch is not the warrior he is made out to be. He has zero class. He has crude skills and an overrated chin. A shot JT dropped him and made a fool of him for 10 rounds until he gassed on Q while he was prime. He lost to a green as grass Dirrell and needed home cooking to win. Then trashes Dirrell relentlessly due to his insecurity. He lost to a shot Kessler and whined how he gets the decision at home. Froch then got completely embarrassed by Ward whom he also trashes out of his inferiority complex and insecurity. He beats a hype job waiting to be fully exposed in Bute and claims to be a Champion. In fact Froch has NEVER been a true Champion in his career. A trinket holder at best. He then goes life and death with a completely shot Kessler and gets his great victory. Now you have him trashing a guy that was outclassing him…again…notice a pattern? Never a real champ, lost to any decent fighter not completely shot or old but hailed a fking ” warrior ” by a legion of fools that enabled Haye pinky toe punk the same way. No wonder the fk is so deluded.Posted November 29, 2013 9:13 pm
BILLY NO MEDALS ALL AMERICAN BOY
LIKE THE DEMNON SAYS GINGE HAD IS CHANCE AND GOT STOPED!! WHO NEEDS GINGE,COME AND HAVE A CUDDLE SAYS FOSTERPosted November 29, 2013 8:11 pm
Groves had his chance and got stopped. Froch kessler third fight and bother retire afterPosted November 29, 2013 8:02 pm
who needs ward the boring tw@t,no one needs bord,sorry ward!!!!!Posted November 29, 2013 7:56 pm
pinkys a prickPosted November 29, 2013 7:53 pm
cap in hand
DER,DA, you plank, theres more truth in Billy lier,lolPosted November 29, 2013 7:51 pm
What better way to go over old ground than by seeing Froch thoroughly outclassed again by Ward, it’s a fight we’ve already seen. Groves is the more interesting fights because people honestly think he has a legitimate chance of winning.Posted November 29, 2013 7:49 pm
cap in hand
@IAMTHE TRUETH,AT LEAST LEARN TO SPELL YOU DIM WHIT FOR YOU PLAY TUFF GUY,YOU CARROTPosted November 29, 2013 7:49 pm
@cap in hand. Boys like you would get lite up in real life. Stop looking for attention!Posted November 29, 2013 7:07 pm
If imagine wards name isn’t even in the mix, a lost for his last fight wouldn’t be goodPosted November 29, 2013 6:54 pm
I am not offensive in my posts and I give an opinion on the article or fights at hand. My opinion is not always correct and will admit it when I have needed to eat some humble pie. If you are overly offended by the word abbreviation ‘mong’ then I’m sure I know who the weak, dominated fool is in gen pop. I see your argument that it wasn’t the best choice of word yet it is hardly going to send someone over the edge and for the record it is a common put down in my neck of the woods and publicly flaunted. The irony of a keyboard warrior putting it to other keyboard warriors is probably lost on you. Try commenting on boxing instead of Political Correctness, I’m sure there are other avenues for you to have a bleat on that topic. Froch beats Groves everyday of the week as he has shown once already.Posted November 29, 2013 6:51 pm
cap in hand
@real talk,get a life you sad prick,theres no room for you mr nice guyPosted November 29, 2013 6:43 pm
It’s a shame we still get the lonely wee guys being offensive for attention. Pure thicko’s as demonstrated by their sense of humour.
you can f#k of to badgerPosted November 29, 2013 5:46 pm
should be rematch of a good fight that was stopped by a very bad ref. Ward would beat froch again easily.Posted November 29, 2013 5:41 pm
f#k of thermal y frontsPosted November 29, 2013 5:40 pm
billy muslim boy. do you and dumbo go to the same mosque.Posted November 29, 2013 5:14 pm
Mr. what?!, it seems like your more sure of Froch than he is himself. Hahahahaha! I personally am no fan of either much but I’m not blind.Posted November 29, 2013 5:09 pm
I think Froch was confident before the fight but now realises that he’d probably lose a rematch. Unfortunately his ego has backed him into a corner because he’s already completely dismissed Groves’ ability and talked up his own world-classness no end so losing to him would be a bitter pill.
I don’t even spar on days I don’t feel 100% because something usually goes wrong so I can’t blame the man for having reservations about putting his health on the line when he’s no longer at his best. He’s got money, a nice bird and 2 kids and he’s not exactly a defensive wizard that can get through a fight unscathed. Again though he’s talked himself into a corner.Posted November 29, 2013 5:09 pm
Froch is scared off Groves!!!! He won´t fight Groves again because he know´s that he will loose and maybe even get knockout..Posted November 29, 2013 4:52 pm
The usual mongs have come out in force. The facts are that Froch won by stoppage. Who needs a rematch after a convincing finish that put Groves to the sword. Groves threw everything at Froch and it wasn’t enough. Even seconds after the ref jumped in Groves legs gave out and he went down. Now if 2-3 more punches had been landed because the ref hadn’t jumped in, Groves would of been in serious physical danger. Nup, Groves is mentally ruined vs Froch for a rematch because he knows Froch is stronger and tougher over the distance. Groves fanboys will need to jump on another bandwagon.Posted November 29, 2013 4:50 pm
f#k of jon,u jerk
^you sure are a dumbo because jon is 110% correct.Posted November 29, 2013 4:44 pm
f#k of jon,u jerkPosted November 29, 2013 4:42 pm
BILLY NO MEDALS ALL AMERICAN BOY
looks like Anonymous BRUCE THE W@NKER AS BEEN FLUSHED OUT OF HIS MANHOLE AGAIN LOL,YOU CLOWN,stop writing under peejs name,we all no its you,Posted November 29, 2013 4:35 pm
I agree with the ones that say Froch needs to rematch Groves or hang it up. This is the proverbial checker game for him.he has a few moves he can make in terms of fights but he will struggle either way. A rematch with Ward to avoid one with Groves will be troubling as will a rematch with Groves. Although, personally, I think both guys will beat him. He would be better all around fighting Groves again. He’s not beating Ward, not ever, even If Ward has the Flu. I don’t like Ward because the way he tends to fight rough and dirty but no doubt he will mop the floor with Froch. Even if Froch were to do a big money surprise fight with someone like Golovkin, he’ll get KO’d, brutally. Froch’s career is coming to a head. He’s not an never was on Joe Calzaghe’s level. I say Froch should save himself somewhat and appease the fans by having a rematch with Groves. At least it would look respectable as he descends. As for Groves, he’s a hell of a young fighter with a prime Kessler-like combo tht decked Froch in the rd.1. He’s got a bright future and I wish the best to such a humble guy. Ward will reign as long as he’s in the division, that is, unless Golovkin would somehow end up there. If that happens, who knows?Posted November 29, 2013 4:32 pm
I still think froch has had his last fight, it was against Groves, I think he will retire after Christmas.if he fought ward, he would lose, if he fought Groves again I think he woulkd lose, he looked very old and very slow last sat night.Posted November 29, 2013 4:32 pm
BILLYmuslim boy. shut up and stick to those fat useless hw bums you love.Posted November 29, 2013 4:29 pm
BILLY NO MEDALS ALL AMERICAN BOY
Groves was running out of diesel fast,any fool no,s what was coming,KO. fOSTER spared him,Posted November 29, 2013 4:18 pm
Poor old Carl must be sitting somewhere scratching his head wondering how it all went wrong when he hears and reads how certain parts of the boxing public have turned against him after the career he’s had. Groves is saying this and that about what Carl ought to do next and people are jumping all over it. The guy just laid it all on the line and took the beating of his life before somehow turning the fight around and scoring a stoppage victory. Jeez, give the guy a break…all he was doing at the point the referee jumped in was punch Groves in the head!! Groves had his chance against a very sub-par Froch and couldn’t put him away. If you hit a guy with your best shot and he gets up you’ve got a problem!! Be careful what you wish for George!!!Posted November 29, 2013 4:16 pm
Yes, finally seeing comments here (still only a minority) which agree with my own view: that Groves had those good moments in Froch-Goves I because Froch had no idea Groves would even try to be aggressive; I’m pretty sure they visualized Groves doing what he did with DeGale. Froch’s team could not guess Grove’s bold strategy; they prepared for a runner. Otherwise, Froch knows exactly how to handle a puncher (a la Abraham) and shut him down. In Froch-Groves II, the difference in class between the two will be plain to see….Groves will have no chance!Posted November 29, 2013 4:11 pm
For Gods sake, if only the referee had left it another 10-20 seconds, we wouldn’t have half of the bollocks being spouted on here.Posted November 29, 2013 3:51 pm
Bang on Tark – ywo more head snapping punches and no one’s screaming ‘outrage’ and ‘re-match’.Posted November 29, 2013 3:31 pm
This pundit says.., “You will be hard pressed to find anyone who is entirely satisfied with what went down in Manchester last Saturday.”
I’m satisfied. Froch was coming on and would have won. The ending was premature … and that’s better than stopping a fight too late.
Referees make judgement calls. More stoppages are too late than too soon. Jermain Taylor shouldn’t have been allowed to come out for the 12th round of his fight with Froch. Same with Meldrick Taylor vs Julio Cesar Chavez. If there’s a bigger chance of getting badly hurt than winning, you use discretion
This is a sport… It’s not a life or death matter if you win or lose, but it often is if you get hurt.Posted November 29, 2013 3:07 pm
this idiot Boxing Barlow is a real liar and a serial hater. he says he is a fan of froch but tries to bury him at every opportunity with inaccurate garbage, which reflects the idiocy of this moron who calls himself Boxing Barlow. We all know you slurp joe’s nutsacs every evening before you go to bed. Well stop slurping gingernut’s sac just cause you want to slate Carl. Gingernuts did well Saturday night but let’s see how well he does in a rematch. He had 4 years to study Carl and used very trick to unsettle him. Now Carl will come out and bomb him out. You call CARL a coward because you haven’t a clue. Why didn’t Joe give the likes of Hopkins, Kessler and Reid rematches? Please think about it whilst you take turns slurping gingers nuts and joes empty sac.Posted November 29, 2013 3:01 pm
IMHO I truly believe ST GROVES fought the perfect fight for the first half dozen rounds vs COBRA on Saturday, armed with some serious inside KNOWLEDGE from sources close to FROCH.
I personally think CARL was caught between two stools, not knowing whether to box as he dis vs KING ARTHUR, the early stages of KESSLER II or whether to steamroll his opponents like he did BUTE…. I truly believe his performance was affected by the seeds Groves planted, letting Carl know he knew the coup….
Therefore, Carl fought his worst fight for the first 6 rounds, but still came back and got back on terms with ST GROVES.
I believe, and I think George knows that he will have no new surprises for Carl in a rematch and CARL will be more wary, but more inclined to box with his jab, but will be looking to use pressure, pressure tactics on George to empty his tank whilst looking for that one mistake to pounce.
in a rematch FROCH will win and I wouldn’t be shocked if he jumped on George like he did BUTE and got him out of there, quick.
FROCH was all about insecurities on Saturday night and a rematch will be even more savage as Carl has a lot to prove, but In fact ST. GROVES is under even more pressure as the whole world experts him to win and I see him crumbling under the added weight of expectancy.
I wouldn’t be surprised if DEGALE interjects himself into the build up for the rematch and I certainly don’t feel George is that much better than James (who I dislike intently).
FROCH to win via KO.Posted November 29, 2013 2:52 pm
I argue the point that Froch was coming on strong, he was wobbled with a jab moments earlier which doesn’t suggest he was coming on strong and I think it’s likely he’d have been stopped himself had the fight continuedPosted November 29, 2013 2:37 pm
I believe that Froch will give Groves a rematch because that’s how Froch is. I also believe that Groves was on his way to being really hurt when the fight was stopped as Froch was coming on. In the rematch, Froch will dispose of Groves in the later rounds.Posted November 29, 2013 2:33 pm
I’m not saying this for a reaction but it’s a scientific fact that red-haired people have thinner skin than darker skinned people.
I remember back to Froch laughing about Calzaghe fighting old men and getting put on his pants. Hopkins career to date has boosted the legacy of Calzaghe, personally I still feel that Hopkins won or it was very close but politics set up the RJJ match.
Barlow – you’re either trying to provoke a response or are seriously deluded. ‘Groves would play it safe and dance to points victory’ is easy to say, but it’s not a fight plan. Groves isn’t Sugar Ray Leonard, he clearly doesn’t have the ability to produce the kind of performance you suggest he’ll come up with.
He took a lot of punishment in that fight and his face clearly shows that – he got sloppy because he got tired.Posted November 29, 2013 2:15 pm
And talking about Calzaghe! Oh my days! In Saturdays showing of how easy Groves was able to put it on Froch imagine how badly Calzaghe with his speed and ridiculous out put, which he was able to maintain for 12 rounds for have hammered Froch. I would have expected a Jeff Lacey style beating for Froch.,Posted November 29, 2013 2:07 pm
Groves would play it safe and dance to an easy points victory in a return with Froch. Dirrell laid out the blue print but failed to throw enough shots. Groves, and as it turns out rightfully so, was obviously scared of getting robbed of a decision so engaged mire than he should have done. In a return the fight would be far more under the spit light so he would be more likely to get a fair crack. Its pretty clear to see from tje judges score cards Groves was getting the poo end of the stick no matter what that night.Posted November 29, 2013 2:04 pm
I’ve been a Froch fan from day1.
The silence coming out the froch camp tells us the dont fancy a rematch so called warrior do the decent thing carl mano mano as u say simple as thatPosted November 29, 2013 2:02 pm
And ive been convinced for a while that the current crop of super middles dont match up to years gone by. Ive rated Froch as a top fighter in the past but the way Groves handled him on sat nighy makes me realise he has just been lucky enough to be around in an era where there have been less talented fighters around. Guys like Abraham, the old version of Kessler froch beat, and most of Frochs other victories have been against poor opposition. As soon as hes stepped in with a decent boxer he gets out skilled. Ward beat him badly. Dirrell gave him a lesson and now Groves has gave a master class on how its done. Froch talks about being the uks best ever boxer I would see him as better than the likes of Benn Eubank Watson and Collins let alone the likes of Joe Calzgahe and lennox lewis!Posted November 29, 2013 2:01 pm
I respect Groves for the fight he gave us,a bright future most likely.But stop Froch in 6rds in a rematch…not so sure about that,he still didnt even win the first fight.And I belive he was on his way of being stopped,the ref should have let it go on abit,but it didnt look great for Groves at that point overall.But Groves proved himself and doors are now open for him.Posted November 29, 2013 2:00 pm
I respect Froch and have always been a fan…..however, if he closes out his career and never gives Groves a rematch there will always be a question mark on his career, much like there is On Lennox Lewis’ career since he didn’t rematch Vitali. He needs to rematch Groves and if he beats him then rematch Ward and win or lose…retire. If he loses to Groves in the rematch, he will still have the respect of the fans for giving him the rematch and well respected. He will lose a ton of respect from me and thousands of other fans if this rematch does not take place.Posted November 29, 2013 1:59 pm
Lol at Barlows comment. You read my mind EXACTLY! As Groves sais #rematch or retirePosted November 29, 2013 1:58 pm
If froch does not give Groves his rematch he is a coward. Ive always been a fan of Froch’s all action style but have been undecided about him as a person due to the way de has conducted himself outside the ring. But the Groves fight made my mind up once and for all. Froch is an absolute wolly who talks so much tripe he is not even worth listening to. Luckily we have Groves career to look forward to and wont have to listen to his verbal diarrhoea for much longer.Posted November 29, 2013 1:54 pm
I personally believe that Froch would stop Groves earlier, maybe in the sixth or seventh. Groves benefitted hugely from a very sloppy mistake from Froch which lead directly to the knockdown: Groves took half a step backwards, while Froch took a full step forwards, leaving him in no-man’s land.
If Groves paces himself better, he’ll give Froch more opportunities earlier on.Posted November 29, 2013 1:53 pm