Its about time the Consensus caught UP with ME. I’m too GREAT for MY own GOOD. I hate having to wait for everyone to catch UP. I had Kovalev as #6 P4P on MY personal P4P list damn near a YEAR ago. Sillakh was a china chinned #0 P4P er. Legit Top P4P ers CREAM those types of opponents. Thats why Mikey Garcia would SPANK Gamboa. The Top 5 Boxers in the World at THIS time are Mayweather, Rigondeaux, Mikey Garcia, Kovalev, and Ward. Any china chinned #0 P4P opponent that faces any of those 5 guys will get CREAMED.Posted December 4, 2013 10:41 am
Kavalev Vrs Stevenson needs to happen ASAPP IMO. And the reasonI think that is it needs to happen before one of the gets beat and it becomes less relevant. They both are something specail due to their power and ability to get to a fighter. But as soon as they come up against a superior fighter they will get beat. Ward beats them both all day long. I hate to say it but I actually think Hopkins either beats them both other plays it a bit to negative to take them to a very closely fought victory. Either way why would they want to risk a Hopkins fight when the reality is none of us really want to see them kind of fights taking place.Posted December 4, 2013 7:50 am
BoxRetard nobody agrees with you. It’s you who happen to agree with most of us. The consensus view of Kovalev is tha the’s the boss of 175 now that his skills and punching power are now universally appreciated. There are a few who will claim that’s not the case until he beats the likes of Bhop or Stevenson but that can’t happen if they won’t fight. Then the argument becomes who’s ducking whom? It’s obv except in the narrow views of Haterade drinkers.Posted December 4, 2013 4:24 am
Tachyon…, Don’t be crazy. Pascal is NOT going to fight Kovalev. The fight makes no sense anyway. If Bute should somehow win, and I doubt that seriously, he would NOT fight Kovalev.
The appropriate opponent for Kovalev is Stevenson… That’s it!
If Stevenson refuses to fight him, Kov’s people will have to do what GGG’s people do… send out offers until you find somebody who’s willing to get KO’d for a payday.Posted December 4, 2013 1:39 am
Kovalev is the only fight with least amount of profit for Stevens. Not saying the fight would not be good but it make no business sense and if Kovalev has a ounce of business intelligence fight winner of Bute vs Pascal to build up more interest and fan support then take on Stevens in a big PPV event. You have to remember boxing is still a business and the name of the game is butts in seats and PPV sales.Posted December 3, 2013 11:27 pm
Loid the Droid
Kovalev Knocks Out Adonis………..thats all…..KO’s him!!Posted December 3, 2013 11:08 pm
Kovalev vs Stevenson is the only fight that matters at LH, the winner can face Ward to see if the brilliant (if a little boring) Oakland native can challenge Floyd for the number 1 P4P slot. Wtf B-Hop has to do with anything is beyond me, he got easily beaten by Dawson who was obliterated by Stevenson so in my eyes he is out of the equation.Posted December 3, 2013 7:01 pm
“FA why is it everytime some fighter has KO potentual, everyone that has yet to fight that guy is ducking him? That’s crazy talk, as for Stevenson, he just made a name for himself by beating better fighters than Kovalev has.” – TC, Kovalev called out Stevenson next, who then called out Froch and Bhop. If Kovalev-Stevenson happens next then you’re correct, no ducking occurred. But if Stevenson fights someone else then the answer is he ducked Kovalev. And BTW Stevenson’s comp is not better, it’s on par with Kovalev’s.Posted December 3, 2013 4:23 pm
B Red, you’re mentally retarded. Whether that’s your imposter or not.Posted December 3, 2013 11:03 am
Tark ,your a buffoon, unless thats your imposterPosted December 3, 2013 5:28 am
I like both fighters but Rigo is too skilled for Agbeko.Posted December 3, 2013 2:18 am
Tachyon…, “I would like to see Kovalev take on Groves.”
Groves would never get out of the 1st round.. That fight’s a joke..
A better match for Kovalev is Ward.. I see the combination of speed and power beating Ward in 12.. Kovalev beats Mr Reluctant as well.. I’ve never seen Stevenson sound like he didn’t want to fight somebody before … but he sure did the other night.
Why do you have 2 World Champions fight on the same card??? To set up a unification match of course … not to say, “I’m going on vacation… I want Hopkins… I want Froch.”
Max Kellerman.., “Everybody else wants you to fight Kovalev.. It sounds like that’s your 4th option after vacation, Hopkins, and Froch.”Posted December 3, 2013 2:15 am
Kovalev was Hopkins’ mandatory, but Hopkins refused to fight him, so Kovalev went into Cleverly’s home turf and knocked him out for the title. Hopkins said he would never fight Kovalev or Stevenson………..Kovalev would knock Hopkins out, so would Stevenson. Calzaghe outboxed a much younger Hopkins, so did Jones.
When Stevenson was asked about Kovalev, Stevenson said he wanted to fight Hopkins or Froch…………………when Kovalev was asked who he would like to fight next he said Stevenson………………Stevenson did call out Ward, but Ward ran and hid in his home town, no answer. The writer wants Golovkin to go all the way up to 175, that’s 15 lbs. Golovkin is a small middleweight. I did not hear anyone wanting Hagler to go up in weight. It is clear that the author wants Golovkin to lose a fight anyway he can. Ward will only fight in his home town, he was the ONLY boxer who did not have to travel in his tournament……………why was that? I say let Ward fight Stevenson or Kovalev now, if Ward is so good, judging from the author’s writing, why not ask Ward to go up in weight and fight Klitschko?!Posted December 3, 2013 1:39 am
If Stevenson says he’s leaving because of racism, that’s his decision (as if there’s more or less elsewhere), but I doubt that’s what motivated the newspaper articles exposing his pimp activities’ effects on victims – more like “socially concerned” reaction like I alluded to. But who knows, maybe he’s looking for an excuse to ditch us for $greener$ pastures…Posted December 3, 2013 1:22 am
I don’t buy that Stevenson is not popular in Canada. I read the local (Quebec) BOXING forums where he is plenty popular. Excitement every fight, what’s not to like. What I see in the GENERAL population, perhaps the “socially conscious” (i.e. people who don’t know a slip from a shoulder roll), is maybe some resentment of all this acclaim for a guy who hurt some disadvantaged victims.and his perceived lack of enough public apology. That has zero effect on his boxing appeal – see the big crowds?Posted December 3, 2013 1:16 am
Kovalev impressed with his all-around skills against Sillakh,who I thought did not fight smart against such a dangerous opponent.He got countered like Dawson against Stevenson.Yes,Kovalev is plenty quick, and puts the punches together to boot.Posted December 3, 2013 1:08 am
Tark being a hard puncher does not guarantee a win. We have sen this plenty of times being a skilled fighter makes the difference. I would like to see Kovalev take on Groves considering how well groves performed against Froch in the early stages of there fight.Posted December 3, 2013 12:51 am
NON Boxing point having SISSY
Kovalev DID what I expected him to DO. I wasn’t very impressed. The WIN was similar to Floyd vs. Khan. We expect Floyd to knock out the glass chinned BAMBI legged CHUMP. And since he’s #0 P4P its not impressive.Posted December 2, 2013 11:01 pm
i mean everybody can say stevenson is better or kovalev is better but we wont know who better till they fight each other then we find out whos better kovalev and beibut shunmenov would be a good matchup if kovalev cant get stevenson right now it alot of options out there for both fighters if they dont fight each other if kovalev cant get stevenson right now he got to move on and look for other fights he cant wait on stevenson and stevenson defense did get better a whole lot but cloud is kinda slow with feet he not really that fast i think kovalev footwork is better and his hand speedPosted December 2, 2013 8:53 pm
I don’t know what happened to this site but it has plummeted. Of course he is racist. He acts like he is working for Wards PR team. Chavez Jr.?? What a joke. Ward isn’t looking for anything tough for sure. And his “big” win over Dawson has some perspective now….Super 6??? Froch is a bum.Posted December 2, 2013 8:27 pm
And as for Rodriguez – he is absolutely nothing. He is a slow, widepunching b.u.m who already got gifts against nobodies.
That was a comeback fight so I have no problem with Ward taking on weak opposition, but that is what it was WEAK.Posted December 2, 2013 7:58 pm
Kovalev better than Stevenson?? Watch the Cloud-Stevenson fight again and you’ll see that Stevenson’s defense is very good. Cloud was not able to land any shots. Stevenson has more speed than Kovalev and nearly as much power. Slick counter puncher and slick on the back foot. Whose chin is better? That’s the question. Great matchup.Posted December 2, 2013 7:45 pm
Yeah, im not impressed with Stevensons skill set. Kovalev is better as fundementals, but Stevenson would crack Kovalevs Jaw or vice versaPosted December 2, 2013 6:12 pm
By the way, I agree with your take on Anthony. But it’s too bad Andre hasn’t been fighting. Apparently he’s having contract issues.Posted December 2, 2013 6:02 pm
FA why is it everytime some fighter has KO potentual, everyone that has yet to fight that guy is ducking him? That’s crazy talk, as for Stevenson, he just made a name for himself by beating better fighters than Kovalev has. Don’t get me wrong I like Kovalev, but the constant calling fighers duckers on this site is crazy.Posted December 2, 2013 6:01 pm
Anthony Dirrell is more tougher then his brother to mentally he take more chances he a guy that dont mind bangin with ya on the inside if he have to he can fight outside and on the inside proably got the better chin out of the two toPosted December 2, 2013 5:54 pm
As for Kovalev he puts everyone to sleep at 175. Stevenson knows that which is why he’s already trying to back out by naming Froch and Bhop. In fact Bhop and everyone else holding a belt at 175 will duck him. Ward won’t go to 175 until he has to so there’s no reason to compare them. But since we’re talking hypothetical I think Kovalev also beats him.Posted December 2, 2013 5:48 pm
You are just an idiot with obviously no boxing knowledge.Posted December 2, 2013 5:47 pm
My sister is white as am I. And she did marry a white guy.Posted December 2, 2013 5:47 pm
“Anthony Dirrell is a man who has remained in the shadow of his brother, but as we look closer, some would argue he may indeed be the better, more polished talent.” – Good to finally see someone share my view on the Dirrell Bros. I’ve always felt Anthony was the better of the two. He’s just as skillful but applies it to KOing opponents. Not a runner like Andre and the only reason his career arc stalled is cancer. Great to see him get his title shot at last.Posted December 2, 2013 5:45 pm
The enormity of hate toward light skin fighters from peej and sedrmen is so increasingly obvious its laughable.
I hope that your sisters and loved one marry a white man, an Asian man or a mexican, that would be a small piece of justice for all human kind.
You two are a die n breed thank God for that. Your just a fart in the wind.Posted December 2, 2013 5:31 pm
Stevenson is good, but he’s not the full package yet. Ward beats him, and so to Kovalev, IMO. But that doesn’t mean he should avoid all other fights, take on the two fighters he’ll lose to. If he can get the Froch or Hopkin’s fights I say good for him…Posted December 2, 2013 5:20 pm
Merchant hasent laced up the gloves before is a silly comment asto why larry should or shouldn’t have an educated opinion on the subject matter, it boils down to, do you agree or not.
If a obease fat man that has never laced up his cardio shoes and hit the gym, should he be allowd to give professional workout advice ? The answer is ofcourse, if he has the knowledge and proper tranning weather on the job or thru a learning institution.
Its not what you look like or what you have done in every case but being knowledgeable in your field of expertise.
It appears that fighters like kovelev and 3G are calling out the champs, in Stevenson and sergio martinez and truly what to face these men in the ring and are very focal about that, however you got guys like Stevenson calling out bhop instead of taking the chalange.
Then you got the mayweathers fighting the khans of the world rather than taking on tim bradley or manny paq… look floyd fought bum after bum since 2007 in the hatton fight people had to call floyd out in order to get a decent fight, nobody has to ask Kovelev, 3G to step up, they wznt to allready.
Even 2007 floyd fought hatton a 140 pounder but nobody says a word.
It seems the writer is on two side of the coin, he has a problem with people forceing the best fights but on the other hand as a fan he wants it to happen, make up your mind dude.
It dosent have to be the best fight each time someone fights just every other time, like if floyd want to fight khan I dont really have a problem because he fought canelo his last time out but after the khan fight he needs to fight bradley or pacman and if the media, the fans and the mayweather nutt huggers had their way floyd would finish his carrer fighting bums that why people speak up.
Excuses are the nails that build a house of failure.Posted December 2, 2013 5:19 pm
Ward handles Adonis, there is a reason why he didn’t mention his name in the post interview and called out Pascal and Froch.Posted December 2, 2013 5:07 pm
No one beats Adonis Stevenson. Nor Kovalev, not Ward or anyone else. Adonis has speed, power, stamina, good feet. This guy is the real deal.Posted December 2, 2013 4:46 pm
I would have to agree with that. At least career and money wise it seemsPosted December 2, 2013 4:18 pm
ward is smarter the roy and mosley put together.Posted December 2, 2013 3:56 pm
Kovalev v Stevenson is looking like the match-up to be made at 175.Posted December 2, 2013 3:47 pm
Don’t forget that Tito was knocking out a couple of guys at 160 before facing Hopkins. He only became too small when fighting Hopkins.Posted December 2, 2013 3:42 pm
If that’s that for him, than who does he fight? And what about the other 3? The LHW div isn’t loaded besides the top 4-6.Posted December 2, 2013 3:41 pm
Last couple fights for Stevenson in Canada have been sell outs. Plus he is wanting to fight 2 people that beat Canadian fighters. Don’t think he is going anywhere. Plus he was asking the crowd who he should fight.Posted December 2, 2013 3:40 pm
That’s simply A LIE, Bernard Hopkins did NOT create a career facing smaller boxers and for the record Gennady Golovkin could not carry Hopkins spittoon as it pertains to accomplishment… Hopkins moved up to 175 at the age of 41 and still accomplished PLENTY… Fighting Oscar and Tito who were BOTH consistent forces and big money fights at 154 is a much different look than GGG whimpering for a payday, Hops was OLDER than BOTH Oscar and Tito when he took those bouts….Mayweather is NEVER gonna physically be a 154 pounder and he sure as hell is NOT a 160 pounder next fight we will see FMJ comfortably at WW…. Hopkins fought YOUNGER, BIGGER Champions as he got OLDER whats GGG doing??? Beating on a WEAK level of competition and letting his trainer make a bunch of noise… GGG cannot even compete with Hops AFTER 42 resume let alone his entire career the comparison is NOT even validPosted December 2, 2013 3:38 pm
The retirement predictions of boxings have a value of about -55 cents on the open market… Ward is at his PEAK and he has simply not made enough money to cashout and he won’t in the next 3 bouts which should happen over 2 years.. Who realistically thinks Ward is gonna hang them up at 31 barring injury?? Shane Mosley and Roy Jones are about 200 years old and still looking for bouts… Its in the blood, its all they know…Posted December 2, 2013 3:32 pm
Canadians don’t like him since he raped those young girls and pimped them out. Stevenson even says he is going leave Canada because its racist.Posted December 2, 2013 3:15 pm
Larry Merchant, just when you think he’s gone, he comes right back…Posted December 2, 2013 3:06 pm
Stevenson really does not have to be a PPV headliner to get good money, especially if he keeps fighting over there in Canada. Boxing is strong in Canada and they put on good shows.Posted December 2, 2013 2:32 pm
The problem with Stevenson is other than hardcore boxing fans and Quebec he is an unknown. If he wants big $, then he needs to get his name out there for the general public to buy it. He may be the “true champ at LHW” but he is no way a PPV headliner no matter how good he is. To me unfortunately he needs Hopkins if he wants to get paid. And to satisfy the boxing fans this isn’t enough cause we all know Hopkins will make it a dirty, boring fight. So why not add Kovalev and Shumenov and draw the public in and PPV the winner fight.Posted December 2, 2013 2:27 pm
but agbeko style is unpredictable he got good head movement and upper body but rigo timing and accuracy is so good eventually he going to find his range it goingt to be hard for agbeko to get close or get on the inside rigo footwork is so good but agbeko can close the distance pretty quick it wobt be quick enough to catch rigo tho since hbo complaing about rigo not be exciting enough i think rigo might take offense to it he might let his hands go more in this fight he might go for the knockout agbeko not really a big puncher i see rigo winning by ud but if he hurt agbeko i think rigo will try to finish him we seePosted December 2, 2013 2:17 pm
i think agbeko arkward style can give rigo some trouble in the early going agbeko throws punches from wired angles so it might take some rounds for rigo to adjust to it for agbeko to have a chance to win he got to put pressure on rigo he got to swarm him when they on the inside he got to work to the body get those body shots off he got to make it ugly in there try to make things uncomfortable for rigo agbeko is a hard nosed fighter with a good chin he well conditon he cant win a clean fight with rigo but agbeko leaves himself open alot when he throws a counter puncher like rigo going to take full advantage of that it wont shocked me if rigo knocked agbeko down or even hurt him a lil bit rigo can crack that why fighters dont just rush in on him like that i think agbeko going to find out the same way toPosted December 2, 2013 2:05 pm
Well his trainer came out and said they wanted to fight Floyd at 154. That is calling him out. I have always maintained that we don’t even know if he can make 154 and that he was too big for Floyd anyways. He needs to clean out the 160 lb division. I hate all this most feared fighter and can’t get fights. That is bogus in my opinion. If there is money in it people will accept the fights. You just can’t try and get fights when people are already scheduled to fight. People wanted to fight Tyson, People still want to fight Ward, people are calling out Floyd.Posted December 2, 2013 1:52 pm
I think he will be fighting into his 30s. Maybe not well into it but I definitely think till he is 34 or 35 if he is still winning.Posted December 2, 2013 1:47 pm
i favor ward in all these matchups, ggg, chavez,hopkins,froch ,groves, stevenson. i expect him to be tested but think he wins. kovalev might be a very big problem for ward.Posted December 2, 2013 1:44 pm
peej you must admit ward is on the tail end of his career. he wont fight into his 30’s. he got the gold medal and cleaned out the super middles. he is on everyone’s p4p list, he doesn’t need to hang around except for big money fights. froch or groves in England. or a bloated Chavez jr will pay him the most. half of Canada hates the pimp that’s why Stevenson is leaving canada soon.Posted December 2, 2013 1:43 pm
How in the hell can Stevenson say that the fans want him to fight froch or Hopkins . He has to be kidding or in denial because any fan of boxing wants him and kovalev to fight each other . Hbo obviously wants it or why else would they showcase them both on the same card. I truly believe this fight will happen after they each have another fight. I like kovalev defeating Stevenson by TKO of course . This fight does not go 12rds.Posted December 2, 2013 1:39 pm
I’m not basing my accusation of Vivek of being racist simply because he’s picking Andre Ward to beat Kovalev. I’m accusing him of being racist because that’s exactly what he is and has been thoroughly exposed for being.Posted December 2, 2013 1:38 pm
Golovkin has never called Mayweather out. All he said was that is his dream fight and that he might move down to the division Mayweather is the unified king at to pursue it. You Flomos just keep repeating this nonsense because you’re terrified of the thought of him going anywhere near Mayweather.
Bernard Hopkins forged an entire career out of not only calling out smaller fighters, but of actually following through with it and fighting many of them. He used to routinely call out WWs and LMWs when he was the MW king. Not only that but he also expected them to move up to his division and he even accused them and lobbied the likes of Merchant to publicly shame and accuse them of being cowards on national TV if they didn’t agree to fight him. Where was your disgust there? That’s right there never was and there never is any from you racist POS.Posted December 2, 2013 1:36 pm
I just find it funny that when people pick Floyd or Ward to win you are a racist. These guys have never lost or come close to losing except for maybe 1 fight and you are just a racist because that is who you are picking. Ward hasn’t lost since he was 14 and Floyd has been undefeated for 45 fights. Get a cluePosted December 2, 2013 1:29 pm
Still doubt Ward is done after 3 more fights. He was talking about trying to fight 2 to 3 times this next year.Posted December 2, 2013 1:28 pm
So predictable. How did I know exactly what Vivek the racist is going to say before I get to the line where he says it? We just knew the double standard between a black fighter and a non-black fighter was coming. Typical Flomo. They’re all the same. They never fail to fall into suit. Remember when you got badly exposed on here for being a massive racist hypocrite about a month or two ago Vivek? You sure did make a speedy exit after that didn’t you.
Why am I not surprised you’re picking Andre Ward to beat Kovalev? I wonder why that is. No need to reply, I always see through your BS with 20/20 vision.Posted December 2, 2013 1:25 pm
uhh, more like: Agbeko Ready for Rigondeaux?Posted December 2, 2013 1:23 pm
this was before the end of the super six=, Ward estimates, “I want three to five more years in the sport. I want to be able to walk away with everything intact, finances, my faculties.” He hopes at that time, he can give back to the sport that has helped him for so long. “When all is said and done, for Andre Ward to be able to look back on a sport that has been very good to me and give back to the sport as a whole.” this was ward lat month=” I don’t know how much longer I have in the sport.”Posted December 2, 2013 1:17 pm
ward does not want to be in the game past 3 more fights. you are right about the tourney it is not needed. everyone knows who the top guys arePosted December 2, 2013 1:09 pm
Ward will be in the game for more than 3 more fights. And there does not need to be a tourney at light heavy. The whole reason they had a tourney was because they all had belts and it was to unify to determine the champ. Stevens is the champ and that is the guy you are aiming to beat.Posted December 2, 2013 12:59 pm
#1.the question is, will the Cuban fight a more aggressive style since his promoter and network is putting pressure on him. #2 Merchant is right, This much we know , Ward doesn’t want to be in the game for more then 3 more fights. Ward wants the most money for the least risks since he already has a very impressive resume. I f the fans do not put pressure on ward or his team they will take the path of least resistance. Froch 2, chavez Jr or a mandatory. It will take lot of pressure for ward to move up and fight Stevenson or kovalev.Posted December 2, 2013 12:44 pm
Merchants comments on Ward were TOTALLY bogus, the guy was coming off surgery and a year layoff and he took on an Undefeated, RANKED Challenger
I think the question should be is agbeko ready for rigondeaux!Posted December 2, 2013 12:00 pm