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BLUESMAN

@ Fight Aficionado: So true.

Posted December 11, 2013 1:12 am 


Fight Aficionado

“The best have to fight the best all the time and there are no prima donnas who can come up with excuses for avoiding a strong opponent. Rocky Marciano and Floyd Mayweather lost several times as amateurs.” – Fact is in the amateurs boxers fight tournaments so they gotta step up to whomever’s in the way. No cherry picking. There’s no control in pro boxing that prevents ducking, which is why the best fights rarely happen. Major structural flaw to the pro game.

Posted December 10, 2013 7:01 pm 


TARK

TJ… I love the way gymnastics, swimming, figure skating, and platform diving are scored… They use 10 judges who have a tremendous background in their sports… They THROW OUT the high and low scores… They add the other scores and divide by the number of remaining judges… Judges who produce inappropriate scores are weeded out quickly. Only the best judges are used for the most important competitions … Their best judges usually come up with accurate scores—and scores that are stunningly similar.

In Boxing—whether it’s amateur or professional—they find the dumbest and most incompetent idiots they can possibly find… they give them a jobs as judges for life… and worse they do their jobs, the more super important world championship fights they judge.

Posted December 10, 2013 4:20 pm 


TJ

TARK,

Unfortunately, there will always be some sort of corruption or favouritism in amateur boxing, but I would favour the 10 point system where the scores are handed in after each round and then the judge should tabulate an overall winner by name when the fight finishes to see if it tallies with his scoring.
It’s only 3 rounds, so even these geriatrics should get it right at least 90% of the time.

I would also advocate a table that scores judges for ability, good scoring and penalises them for bad scoring. Soon, the world will know which judges are competent and which judges should seek alternative employment!

Posted December 10, 2013 4:21 am 


TJ

HEY RAX…

Yes, you are correct… I like the idea the amateurs have gone back to 3 x 3 minute rounds, dropped the headgear and back to the 10 point must system.

Now, all we need is for there to be good judging and not based on geographical, regional or political bias… We seriously need great referees who allow infighting, body punching and boxers to bleed (not profusely), without stopping the action or fights, because a boxer wobbles for a split second…

All these things will take a few years, but we need to keep lobbying and we will reap the rewards in both codes of the game…

Posted December 10, 2013 2:57 am 


Country Whores Lead Me Home

@ D: :-D

Posted December 10, 2013 2:52 am 


Myles

For about 100 years nearly everybody has been using headgear and large gloves for sparring. Universal popularity means something is effective.

If everybody wears a cup, and a gum shield, chances are they help.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:32 am 


D

NIP THIS whore hound. You’re a moron.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:17 am 


Country Whores Lead Me Home

@ little TARKY: WHEN judging IS honest?! Just how often is judging honest? “My point—which continues to escape you—is they can use any size gloves or headgear they like—but for safety reasons they use larger, heavier gloves, and substantial headgear. This limits training punishment and injuries. It’s a proven benefit for over 100 years … so a great track record is there.” Proven by who, Tark? Nip it in the bud, TARKY-BOY! Nip it in the bud!

Posted December 10, 2013 1:58 am 


TARK

Ivanov.., It doesn’t matter what style sparring is done—but ordinarily it’s a regular boxing contest to sharpen footwork, defense, and punching prowess.

My point—which continues to escape you—is they can use any size gloves or headgear they like—but for safety reasons they use larger, heavier gloves, and substantial headgear. This limits training punishment and injuries. It’s a proven benefit for over 100 years … so a great track record is there.

Posted December 9, 2013 11:06 pm 


rax

TJ – the amateur system has changed – as stated in this article although not very clearly.
gone are the head gear and the compu scoring – the scoring is now 10point must system but only 3 of the 5 judges scores will be used – this is picked randomly by the scoring system. this will surely make corruption harder as none of the judges will know if their score is being used.
I think the point of this article was that the new amateur boxing is going to be very similar to pro boxing – if that was the writers intent he did a very poor job of expressing it.

Posted December 9, 2013 7:30 pm 


daprofessor

that’s a whole different problem. i agree.

Posted December 9, 2013 6:17 pm 


CurlyQ.Howard

“I watched several sequences of combinations of 3, 4 and 5 punches landed and the judges not recognising any of them… I would rather go back to how it was, where the round is judged as a whole, rather than on 3 out of 5 geriatric men trying to remember which button is red and which button is blue and then remembering who is blue and who is red and who actually landed the correct punches all in the space of a second…. These guys can’t even tie up their own shoelaces without assistance and I would wager a large fee that they could not successfully manage to get themselves out of an unlocked room!” This in spades.

Posted December 9, 2013 5:01 pm 


Jake Lead Rights

This site sucks if they dont like your comments they delete them and start a new thread. ESB get it together!

Posted December 9, 2013 10:48 am 


Маdhorsе

Таrk, Wаtch somе Мikе Туson spаrring from 1986-1989. Не knock out, this guуs vеrу brutаl

Posted December 9, 2013 9:06 am 


Anonymous

amateur boxing today is the same as pro boxing, a comedy show.

Posted December 9, 2013 8:33 am 


Ivan

Tark, I appreciate your eager interest in the sport, you always require minute definitions of every boxing bit. Sparring can be generally divided into 3 types – technical, conditioned and free. Free sparing itself can have certain restriction but the most effective way is to go into all-out battle. It’s the most dangerous way as well and even head gear can’t be a reliable protection. Pros use head gear mainly to avoid cuts but a big shot tends to do all kinds of damage even with a big glove.
Pro star go full speed against hapless partners who have inferior skills and get paid to take the punishment. Needless to say they have to protect the star and can only dream of slugging. Most amateurs have no such luxuries, they are equally important and have to compete at the same time with their partners. Now you tell me who is more likely to get injured before a major fight.

Posted December 9, 2013 5:17 am 


Country Whores Lead Me Home

I’m not Ernie, TARK. And you’ll never figure out who I am.

Posted December 9, 2013 4:06 am 


Fedor

I think amateur boxing is great. Although I would change a few things around. It sure is exciting seeing 3 hard fought rounds.

Posted December 9, 2013 3:57 am 


TARK

Ivanov says.., “Sparring is rarely a real fight.”

NS Sherlock.

Sparring is boxing practice—so it’s never a real fight—even when it gets very heated and the boxers get angry. It’s a boxing match so far as you’re testing and improving your boxing skills against other boxers of relatively similar skills — if you can find them.

However dimwit… you do simulate a boxing match as much as possible, without taking the punishment you would take in a real boxing match.. You’re trying your best to connect and defend.. and you’re using bigger, heavier, softer gloves … and headgear.

You do that by choice … because it’s a lot safer to box using them.

Posted December 9, 2013 3:17 am 


TARK

Idiot Ernie.., You one ignorant little dog turd. You have ZERO knowledge or capability to learn.

Posted December 9, 2013 3:00 am 


Country Whores Lead Me Home

TARK, as usual, is an insecure, sad little man.

Posted December 9, 2013 1:55 am 


Ivan

Rocco, it’s nice to see a comment that goes beyond the commercial surface and touches on live issues. People are suckered by the hype and forget to use their minds.

Posted December 9, 2013 1:34 am 


Ivan

Tark is amusing. Glove sizes are not like bra sizes. Sparing is rarely a real fight. You refuse to face reality.

Posted December 9, 2013 1:25 am 


TARK

This pundit scribbles…, “Then there are the amateur big gloves and the head guards that are meant as safety measures. The big gloves are not better for defense as they block your vision more; they are not softer at the knuckle area. They are heavier and would muffle a light punch but would not necessarily slow down a big shot … The head gear is another good intention gone sour. It protects you from cuts and bruises to some extent but actually adds to the concussive effect of big shots. It also makes the head bigger and caches some additional glancing shots. … The head gear also hides the face of the boxer and often fans have to rely on the color of the outfit for recognition.”

There are only 2 boxers in a ring. It’s not a football game where you have 22 athletes running around with helmets on… I’ve never made a mistake in an amateur fight as to who was who … Maybe some people are dumber than I thought.

Big gloves don’t block your vision unless you’re holding them over your eyes. Don’t be insipidly stupid.

Professional boxers uses bigger gloves and headgear for sparring… WHY??? Because they REDUCE the impact and damage punches inflict while you sharpen your boxing skills. Sparring gloves are bigger, heavier, softer, and connect with less impact than fight gloves … Amateur boxing gloves are bigger than pro gloves … but amateurs also use bigger gloves for sparring than for fights … for the same reason pros do.

Posted December 8, 2013 7:57 pm 


ROCCO

FACTS : 1 – As of now, boxing is the ONLY sport – where the rules for amateurs are different from those of professionals. That’s bad for many reasons and time won’t permit me to go into all of them.
2 – Back in the 1960′s when amateurs were like unpaid, 3 round professionals – some professional boxing shows had good amateur fights as preliminary bouts, which gave the good amateurs publicity, and saved the promoters money, which could result in lower ticket prices.
3- In todays’s world, with amateurs being trained to be “glorified slappers”, a Golden Glove novice champion could very possibly get beat up in a street fight by someone who knows little if anything about fighting. This leads to bad publicity for boxing on YouTube and social media. This discourages the young from wanting to learn how to box. So where will future American professionals come from?
4 – The Greatest Chicago Amateur boxer, the late Richard Guerrero (who beat Amateur Floyd Patterson – circa late 1940′s and early 1950′s) – used to beat up his U.S. Marine Martial Arts instructors and said that the key to beating martial artists is remembering that “They’re only effective when they’re set.” Keep in mind, that Guerrero was from the era when amateur boxers were trained like pro boxers. Would a modern day amateur boxer (“glorified slapper”) have the skills or knowledge needed to do the same to a martial artist today? Then we wonder why boxing doesn’t click with young You Tube and Twitter generation Americans. Peace

Posted December 8, 2013 5:18 pm 



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