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wow tark you americans sure love you”re ped cheats.

Posted December 14, 2013 2:33 pm 


TARK

Homo you’re an idiot … a super ignorant idiot at that.

Mosley has never tested positive and never wanted to get an unfair advantage on anyone. He said he felt much better in the first DLH fight than the 2nd fight. He did much better in the 1st fight if you remember. He was on a BALCO regimen that he thought was perfectly legal for the 2nd Mosley fight, and felt so slow he dumped them after he escaped with a close unanimous decision. By the time he fought Cheato he had left Conte and Balco in the dust—after suing them for 12 million dollars … He then hired an advisor who told him what over-the-counter products and supplements to stay away from… It’s a minefield out there because there’s so many trash products.

Mosley was clean as a whistle when he fought Cheato, which was years later. He only associated with BALCO briefly until he found out Conte’s crap made him feel slower and weaker. He was pretty naïve and fell for Conte’s sales pitches. Conte is a real con artist—a modern P. T. Barnum… He can be pretty convincing when talking about how nutrition transforms ordinary athletes into super stars, and claims he studied nutrition all his life and lies a million times a minute. Obviously he was imprisoned for distributing PED’s. People who trust somebody like that expect leopards to change their spots.

Posted December 13, 2013 4:34 pm 


Anonymous

mosley not another american peds cheat, well i never.

Posted December 13, 2013 3:34 pm 


Homo Erectus

Exactly Hidalgo. Mosley was CLEARLY a different fighter without his stamina enhancing EPO.

Posted December 13, 2013 11:01 am 


Homo Erectus

And I very much doubt anyone as brainless and stupid as you has any admirers. Even that gormless buffoon that you see gawping back at you when you look in a mirror thinks you’re a complete retard.

Posted December 13, 2013 10:57 am 


Homo Erectus

PEEJ the only thing you have proven here is what a monumental retard you are. Saying you’ve achieved something doesn’t make it so, regardless of how loud you shout it or how many times you repeat it.

Apparently I have ”no comments of my own” even though I have indeed written many comments of my own on this very page.

My ”boxing knowledge is very weak and I only comment with opinion and theory” even though my boxing knowledge is clearly superior to yours and when I do offer my opinions and theory they clearly make far more sense than the moronic drivel THEORY and OPINION you contribute.

I copied and posted the comments that thoroughly exposed you for doing the things that you denied you’d done. And even then you tried to deny you’d done them again even though your idiocy and dishonesty was all there in black and white for all to see. hahaha.

You said your reading comprehension was perfectly fine, I posted the comment of yours disproving your claim.

You said you hadn’t contradicted yourself directly after contradicting yourself, I posted the comment of yours were you directly contradicted yourself. haha

And yet I’m the idiot? hahaha

Posted December 13, 2013 10:55 am 


Homo Erectus

SREDMOND

Mosley is PED cheat. Fact.

He inexplicably and mysteriously ran out of gas after only three rounds the first and only time he has ever submitted to additional testing. Fact.

It’s undeniable he looked like a COMPLETELY different fighter in his previous fight or that he displayed excellent stamina from start to finish.

Mosley’s PED of choice was EPO, do you need someone to explain to you what the benefits of taking such a drug are and how it would aid an athlete’s performance?

Mosley has never suffered from stamina problems under standard testing, let alone ran out of gas after only three rounds.

I don’t recall any of Mayweather’s other opponents mysteriously running out of gas after only three rounds either.

PEDs might not turn a scrub into Superman but they can and do have SIGNIFICANT performance enhancing effects. Why do you think athletes take them and if the effects are merely negligible? They do so at great cost to both their reputation, financially, and many believe also to their health. Especially in years gone by.

Why is your idol Mayweather so intent on cleaning up the sport if the effects of fighters taking PEDs are negligible? Why is he so worried about his health? Are you implicitly implying Mayeather was scared of Pacquiao and whole the ”Take the test” saga was just a thinly-veiled smokescreen he concocted to avoid fighting him?

Maybe Vargas might have been knocked out in the early rounds had he not been on them.

Speaking of what or wouldn’t stand up in a court of law, you mean like when Mayweather and his attorneys mysteriously did an about turn regarding their claims Pacquiao was a PED cheat and wanted and paid Pacquioa a hefty out of court settlement when Pacquioa’s legal team asked them to produce the documents pertaining to Mayweather’s three positive test results? Don’t you think it’s awfully peculiar that Mayweather hasn’t sued Thomas Hauser (who is the sport’s most respected journalist and writer) for defamation of character like Pacquiao did to Mayweathers?

Posted December 13, 2013 10:30 am 


Op Amp

PTS – I think you misunderstood me. I say that 2 pounds CAN make a difference depending on the fighter and the situation. It would stand to reason, that most fighters who play the weight game, (i.e. to have a significant size advantage on fight night), already push that method to, or near the limits, so when their asked to take it even further via a catch weight, they sometimes cross the redline, and overly drain themselves. Pac did it to Cotto, and Floyd did it to Canelo.

Posted December 13, 2013 10:24 am 


Auzbox

Peej I said it before people thought he was done so they didn’t watch, it was in Macau so people didn’t watch, if he fights mayweather the world will watch

Posted December 13, 2013 2:16 am 


Happyboy

Pac with no PEDs can’t even KO a LW. Makes you wonder why he refused the test until he got KTFO

Posted December 12, 2013 5:25 pm 


Happyboy

Hidalgo – Bum Bum was outboxed by Abril and got a gift decision and was coming off a loss to Alvarado, boo hoo Pac beat him. Imagine what Canelo would do to him?

Posted December 12, 2013 5:22 pm 


Delk1

PTS, tell yo boy PAC to PAY HIS DAMMM TAXES. That little tax dodger. and by the way. PAC MAN is the catchweight KING. He DUCKED SHANE when Shane beat the hell out of MARGOcheater also. u tube the video. Roach said shane was to good. LOL Just thought I through that out there.

Posted December 12, 2013 4:22 pm 


PEEJ

Hildalgo, Rios also hasn’t fought anybody as fast as Pac. I picked Rios to win and I was most definitely wrong. But according to Pac, Rios did hurt him in round 5. I never watched the fight. I need to, I have it on DVR. But Pac was way too fast for Rios. And it was an important fight for Pac, he needed to see if he could still take a punch and make sure the affects where not lingering. But anticipated, I just don’t think so. Everybody keeps talking about globally, I would like someone to provide some numbers and where they found them. Just saying he is watched around the world means nothing unless you can back it up with numbers

Posted December 12, 2013 3:45 pm 


PTS

op amp…there’s a little problem with your statement which is, if 2lbs make “no” difference really, then Floyd would not request it. In fact, if Canelo had not agreed to it, the fight would not have occurred so, 2lbs does make lots of difference especially to the fighter who feels he is not fighting at this optimal condition. Floyd didn’t ask this nonsense of Cotto. Nonetheless, Floyd fought under the 154lb limit for a title which should be frowned upon, especially someone who wants to be recognized as an “all time great.”

Posted December 12, 2013 3:39 pm 


PTS

Once again Red…you’re part of the smoke and mirrors gang who will say anything to make it seem factual. Point is when you unify titles at the behest of catchweights then those so called “accomplishments” you personally think are rare, hold no meaningful value as far as being an all time great is concerned. ATG’s do not need stipulations, favors and excuses. Stop the BS already.

Posted December 12, 2013 3:33 pm 


Hidalgo

“Mosley ran out of gas after only three rounds against Mayweather and the reason he did so is because it was the ONLY time in his career he submitted to extra testing and wasn’t on his PEDs. ”

I totally agree with that. Mosley comes off an impressive performance against Margarito then poops out in three rounds against Mayweather. That ain’t coincidence, that ain’t due to age, that ain’t due to Mayweather “schooling” Mosley.

Mosley gassed out because he didn’t have his usual “help.” He never gassed out like that before fighting Mayweather, and he hasn’t done it since.

No PED, no Mosley.

Posted December 12, 2013 3:00 pm 


Hidalgo

“Hecdog Stop talking nonsense.”

Well, name one other opponent of Rios’ who boxed circles around him and completely dominated him like Manny Pacquiao did.

Posted December 12, 2013 2:56 pm 


Hidalgo

“But according to Hecdog, Pacs last fight was the most anticipated fight in boxing history. Unfortunately nobody really cared to watch it. lol”

Oh, I tend to agree with Hec Dog to some extent. I don’t know if it was the most anticipated fight in history, but it certainly was a highly anticipated fight. A very important fight. A lot of people cared to watch it, they just didn’t care to pay for it.

Remember Peej, you have to think on a global level, not just a national level. That was a very, very important fight both for Manny Pacquiao and boxing fans around the world.

Posted December 12, 2013 2:54 pm 


PEEJ

SREDMOND the difference between Pacs fight and Cottos last fight is the fact that Cotto had more viewers than what Pac had. But according to Hecdog, Pacs last fight was the most anticipated fight in boxing history. Unfortunately nobody really cared to watch it. lol

Posted December 12, 2013 12:22 pm 


Op Amp

These are PROFESSIONAL fighters who have weight gaining and cutting down to a SCIENCE! They shoot for weight “windows” as small as 1/4 pound for weighins. Sometimes, 2 pounds can mean a world of difference as far as performance goes! Manny weight drained Cotto, making him come down to 145, and Floyd weight drained Canelo at 152. IN THESE 2 CASES THOUGH, I dont believe the outcomes would have changed no matter the weights, but you cant gloss over what SEEMS to be a small amount of weight to us.

Posted December 12, 2013 12:20 pm 


SREDMOND

Guys the BEST way to handle Hecdog is ignoring him, the mans posts have 0000 proportion or consistency as it pertains to Pacquiao he is trying to sell us Rios as a fight that history will look back on with thunderous applause… Pac Man has enjoyed the perception of an Elite fighter for YEARS and he has been.. Brandon Rios was a carefully chosen opponent that like Manny was coming off a loss, while moving up in weight… Rios was SLOW, he was recently outboxed by another guy who LOVES taking punches but to hear Hecdog tell it we just saw Hearns vs Leonard I…. The public GRAPHICALLY explained to Arum, Manny and Hecdog EXACTLY what they thought of this bout (VERY LITTLE) they turned away from Pac in record numbers and BOMBED his PPV…Pac Man did his job, but this win was a step above Cotto stopping Delvin Rodriguez (credit to Miguel for being more violent and getting rid of the lessor opponent fast)….The perception of Rios was so low relative to Manny that his team went on RECORD and said that “if Manny loses then his career is over” because this was a perfect foil and if he could not foil him perfectly then we would know that Pac Man was TOAST….Manny is a GREAT fighter and he has givem us some of the most exciting performances of the 21st Century but Hecdog is ALONE in overhyping Brandon Rios, who is a smaller, watered down Margarito, his face is like a magnet for punches…

Posted December 12, 2013 12:15 pm 


SREDMOND

Guys with LESS credentials than Mayweather are considered ATG’s so PTS your argument is in the toilet and how the hell does beating Castillo make you an ATG? This exposes a SERIOUS flaw in your logic, Castillo was a DAMN tough fighter and Champion but he had been stopped MORE times than almost any FMJ opponent… Diego Corrales was a BETTER win than Castillo, Corrales was UNBEATEN, he was stopping EVERYONE and he was a bigger man that Mayweather (he was also ranked P4P at that time) Mayweather DUSTED him… As for Mayweathers single catchweight bout where he had a guy drop 2 pounds, I guess this scratches Sugar Ray Leonard off the list? He had Lalonde drop what 7 pounds to face him? Thomas Hearns lone win against an ATG was a puffed up Duran who was really best at 135, beyond that Tommy got KNOCKED out by the other notables he faced, Hagler and Leonard… NONE of these guys were Lineal Champ in 5 weight classes like Mayweather and were shells by the time they were even close to his age (Barkley stopping Hearns at 29) Leonard handing Terry Norris his balls at 34) Ray, Tommy and Duran are all ATG fighters that said its Floyd Mayweathers time and he is NOW an ATG, Undefeated thru 5 weight classes, undefeated in over 20 World Title fights and Lineal in 4 weight classes.. Unifying 154 closing in on 37 while spotting a guy 13 years and 15 pounds all the mumbo jumbo in the World cannot negate those stats…. If this was just commonplace you would be able to name 20 guys who accomplished all this without a hiccup throughout the sports history INSTEAD you can only name ONE and his name is Floyd Mayweather Jr….

Posted December 12, 2013 12:05 pm 


PEEJ

Homo Erectus likes to copy and post my comments because he has no comments of his own. His boxing knowledge is very weak and he can really only comment with opinion or theory, doesn’t ever have any facts. But it is nice to have an admirer.

Posted December 12, 2013 11:57 am 


PEEJ

Hecdog you really need to stop. it is getting ridiculous.

Posted December 12, 2013 11:55 am 


PEEJ

Homo Erectus Ive already proved your garbage wrong. But thanks for playing.

Posted December 12, 2013 11:52 am 


Happyboy

Hecdog Stop talking nonsense.

Posted December 12, 2013 11:46 am 


Hecdog

Manny Pacquiao IMHO put on quite a boxing exhibition against Brandon Rios. He showed superior speed of hand and foot as well as ring generalship. For anyone to criticize his masterful performance is beyond comprehension for any true boxing fan. Manny Hit and made Rios miss as most of the Floyd Mayweather (Floyd does it out of fear mostly) fans seem to brag about. They then cannot criticize Manny for fighting in the same manner, but much more dominating and graceful. He didn’t sprint 10 feet away in a second, no he made it look effortless, similar to Guillermo Rigondeaux. Manny was always in control. Manny basically showed Rios what punches he was going to throw over and over for 12 rounds, and Rios still couldn’t do anything about it. Rios trainer, Robert Garcia gave up even trying to give his brave opponent any advice because he himself knew that it was hopeless. Manny’s dominating performance had Garcia in awe. He said many times over in post fight comments that Manny Pacquiao was great and hadn’t lost a step. This was the familiar theme from knowledgeable boxing greats, Roy Jones, Sugar Ray Leonard, Shane Mosely, and of course the great Mike Tyson that praised Manny Pacquiao the most. These guys are legends, and if they were making these comments, ALL fans of this great sport should agree with them. They are more knowledgeable than fans because they lived the life of a fighter and were successful. They were champions and know boxing. I think we can agree, and say Manny Pacquiao was great on that memorable and historic night. Manny is the best.

Posted December 11, 2013 11:47 pm

Posted December 12, 2013 11:30 am 


PTS

Floyd could have been considered an ATG after beating Castillo in their second fight however, the terms all-time great and Floyd cannot by logical nor sane reason go in the same sentence nowadays because they highly contradict each other. The terms are like oil and water; they just don’t and will not mix. ATG’s face those who have potential of also being considered ATG. They face fighters where the level of adversity is almost always unknown and they do this constantly without constantly resorting to twisted stipulations such as catch weight, whose only purpose is to gain advantage over an opponent. ATG’s need no advantage, favor nor excuse. They simply fight not just the best but the best who bring unknown adversity in which they triumph especially without the assist of catch weight stipulations. Stipulations aside, ATG’s also do not pad their record with easy wins over fighters who had no business having titles to begin with. Having said that, it’s easy to comprehend why the likes of the Guerrero and the Ortiz’ of the world and others are nowhere to be found today. That Floyd has skills, of course. That he’s won multiple titles*, of course. But considered an ATG? Absolutely Not! Not by a long shot.

Posted December 12, 2013 11:18 am 


SREDMOND

Homo Erectus, you simply HAVE no proof that Mosley was on anything against Margarito he was busted quite some time ago… That argument would NEVER hold up in a single court except the court of public opinion… I say the same of Margo loading against Cotto, I simply don’t know if he did or he didn’t we know he tried against Shane because he was CAUGHT… A lot of fools think PEDs guarantee a win and that’s NOT true, Keith Kizer of the Nevada State Athletic Commission noted that most of the boxers they caught testing positive had LOST… Vargas lost to Oscar (TKO) and was busted juiced after the fight contrary to popular belief the drugs cannot throw punches for you or turn a scrub into Superman…

Posted December 12, 2013 10:08 am 


SREDMOND

“Making Weight” is the WEAKEST excuse in boxing today “Tark says Canelo looked fresh as a Daisy on his TV screen against Trout” meanwhile people questioned his stamina after that bout.. Just the other day Tark said he thought Alvarez lost to Austin yet he was “fresh as a daisy” Tark did NOT like being wrong in his predict ook about Canelo faring well against Floyd soooooo his TV screen told him “Canelo was drained” meanwhile Alvarez took the loss in stride… These guys comedown in weight because it’s an advantage, NOT a requirement that’s why the mention of the process evokes no pity in me, Canelo wants to have 7-15 pounds on his foes fight night so he pays the price… A loss affords him NO excuses, it worked for him over 40 other times so why pity the guy now? He steps in the ring with an ATG who pretty much made 44 other boxers look just like him but against Canelo it was 1.5 pounds??? GTFOH this is the part of boxing that disgusts me, the constant excuses…

Posted December 12, 2013 10:01 am 


Homo Erectus

PEEJ your theories are so extremely retarded that they almost go full circle and start to make sense again. Mosley ran out of gas after only three rounds against Mayweather and the reason he did so is because it was the ONLY time in his career he submitted to extra testing and wasn’t on his PEDs.

He was PED free against Margarito and all of his other fights because he ”never came up dirty” and because as honest as the day is long PED cheat admitted to taking them for one fight? hahaha. Good God you’re dense. He never came up dirty for any of his fights you moron. I wonder what you morons would be saying if Pacquiao ran out of gas after only three rounds the only time he submitted to extra testing. I think we all know the answer to that. Even snivelling retard you. haha

Here’s a little tip. Denying that you’ve contradicted yourself after you’ve just contradicted yourself is really dumb. But to then deny that you’ve contradicted yourself again after someone has just conclusively proven that you have done so is beyond stupid.

Posted December 12, 2013 9:59 am 


Homo Erectus

TARK accusing another person of being an idiot is never a good look if you then proceed to type a pile of the most idiotic retarded drivel immediately afterwards. You aren’t related to PEEJ are you?

Mosley is a noted banger.

He’s also a self-admitted PED cheat.

Only a complete moron would dispute he was CLEARLY on PEDs for the Margarito fight.

Only a complete moron would try and dispute that Margarito’s chin is forged out of titanium.

He has proven this to be the case time and time and again throughout his career.

Said PED’d up cheat and noted puncher Mosley pounded on Margarito’s titanium jaw section for round after round, landing a sickening array of flush bombs upon it.

Only a complete moron would dispute the sturdiness of someone’s chin who was able to withstand that kind of brutal assault. And only a complete moron would also try to dispute that the multitude of punches Mosley landed upon it were of the extremely hard variety.

You’re basing your ridiculous assertion of Mayeather having a sturdier chin Margarito of off the fact he’s only ever been knocked down once but you’re completely ignoring that he’s one of the greatest defensive fighters of all time and rarely ever gets caught clean, and certainly not with a succession of big punches of noted punchers, and that Maragito is a face first plodder who eats punches for breakfast, lunch, dinner and dessert.

Your argument is more leaky and full of more holes than Margarito’s porous defence. It took literally hundreds of a PED’d up Mosley’s flush bombs to crack Margarito’s titanium jaw, whereas an older, even more ”washed up” PED free Mosley nearly put Mayweather’s lights out with a solitary right hand. End of discussion/

As for you even more ludicrous and easily disprovable theory regarding Margarito’s plastered wraps preventing him from getting hit, you obviously haven’t followed his career or watched any of his fights. haha. Cotto pounded away unmercifully on his anvil-like chin for the first 3/4 of their fight with no discernible effect. Margarito waded through his bombs like they were Mallignaggi slaps. Mayweather didn’t seem too comfortable when he was getting caught by Cotto’s cadaver’s punches years later mind you.

Posted December 12, 2013 9:26 am 


Happyboy

Skills pays the bills, weight simply tilts the scales a little. Someone please tell Manny to dump Top Rank, his hearding for broke bad…….Another fool parts with his cash, who in their right mind would trust Bob Arum & Koncz nevermind to pay taxes on his behalf. Damn Pac, you screwed.

Posted December 12, 2013 8:24 am 


Boxtradamus

Coming in over weight does not guarantee Victory. SKILLS does. Edwin Rodriguez agrees with ME on that.

Posted December 12, 2013 2:16 am 


TARK

REM.., “Tark many fighters today cut that amount of weight to fight in a given division. Both Canelo and Trout weighted 170 after weighting in at 154.”

The weight making process is very delicate and fraught with pitfalls… Canelo actually weighed into the ring at 172 for Trout, after scaling 154 the day before and looking fresh as a daisy. I was amazed—but if you’re a fresh young kid it’s easier. But for the Floyd fight he looked parched as a prune at 152. The process doesn’t go smoothly every time. Andre Ward commented on how weak he looked. Saul could only get back to 165 on the rehydration effort. Not surprisingly he didn’t fight well.

Now, Floyd thought he could easily make 144 for Marquez or he wouldn’t have agreed to it. But he knew he wasn’t going to get there without possible damage to his performance. It wasn’t worth the risk. Floyd paid the fine of 600,000 dollars. That’s a lot—but it’s money well spent if you’re right for the fight.

Floyd’s camp had a lot of experience with the issue so they didn’t mess with it.

Posted December 12, 2013 1:19 am 


Mike Tyson

SREDMOND has down playing every good fighter fight for a while now and it’s sickening. GGG, manny, paulie, and he fight you all article 200 + post to prove your wrong he should have win and its nothing big .and only he right. and now hearing SREDMOND sucking Floyd balls in all it glory is more sickening. So what is it? only talking about Floyd can Satisfied you? Stupid clown.

Posted December 12, 2013 12:57 am 


REM

I certainly hope Pac continues to fight more measured. He’s been drilled to death to attack in order to entertain and its been great but at his age its time to reinvent himself. I personally can’t wait to see what’s next the most logical opponent is Bradley and a rematch with Bradleys recent performance is interesting to say the least.

Posted December 12, 2013 12:49 am 


REM

Spartacus what’s up bro. Thank you for putting a stop to the spin that Floyd put on the catchweight issue regarding the Canelo fight.

Posted December 12, 2013 12:31 am 


spartacus 65

Keep in mind as well that Pacquiao started out as lightfly weight. Also in regards to the catchweight issue, when Pacquiao squared off against De lahoya there was quite a bit of grumbling about the size discrepancy which favored Oscar. Pacquiao was viewed as eay pickings for the aging Delahoya who was trying to keep himself relevant So to speak. To take away some of the appearance of David vs Goliath, it was DELAHOYA who proposed the catchweight as Manny never competed in that division before. Of course due to Oscars age and Pacquiaos fists and hunger to makr a name for himself, Pacman routed Delahoya by BOXING effectively and utilizing some very nifty footwork in the process. Similar to the way he fought Rios. I hope he uses this styke ehich is far more beneficial to him in the long run. Cheers.

Posted December 12, 2013 12:22 am 


REM

SRed I was glad Floyd spinned Ortizs chin for butting I don’t approve but thank you for for showing Martinez could comfortably make 54. If Ortiz could comfortably cut 17lbs Martinez could cut 14lbs. Floyd wouldve beaten Marquez had he made weight I agree like Spartacus said styles make fights and Marquez is taylormade for Floyd so why not make weight huh. This is another perfect example of why Floyd is a gimmick what a weak cowardly move. This is the chump y’all call the best of his era discusting.

Posted December 12, 2013 12:19 am 


spartacus 65

Very well said and true Rem in regards to the welterweight issue with Pacquiao. Peace.

Posted December 12, 2013 12:11 am 


REM

Peej Pac only had one fight at ww when he fought Cotto who at the time was the best ww besides Floyd. Reasonable for Pac to meet him at a catchweight and once Pac performed like that against such a ww he never asked for a catchweight at ww again. The lie about Canelo and the catchweight is the perfect example of why I call Floyd a gimmick and can’t help but to laugh at how he gets away with it. Really Canelo wouldn’t rather have weighted in at 54 spin spin spin smh.

Posted December 12, 2013 12:01 am 


spartacus 65

Styles make fights as we all know. For those of us who do get in a ring mma or boxing and for those who follow it religiously. Junior is the kind of fighter that has always given Marquez serious issues. Angles, speed, counterpunching and nimble footwork. Bradley was a good example of this and his win, well deserved came as no suprise to me. Pacquiao is an all action fighter who aschews defense for the opportunity to l put some serious hurt on his man. He in the process leaves himself open and that is the sacri he makes in order to do the hurting so to speak. Marquez unsurprisingly being a world class counterpuncher would logically excell against this form of attack. However he WAS himself a punch or two by his own admission to being the sufferer of a kayo had Pacquiao not been so reckless. Seems as if Pacquiao to his credit learned from this and is employing a more balanced game. He has terrific legs and outstanding refkexea and hand eye coordination. He doesn’t habe to dothe hurricane thing anymore so to speak. Very similar case as Marco Antonuo Barrera after his kayo loss to Junior Jones. Barrera became a better fighter after that by balancing his attack more. Marquez? He IS A WHINER and he will out of pure pettiness , decline Pacquiao the opportunity to make things even. Cheer friend.

Posted December 11, 2013 11:35 pm 


SREDMOND

EVERY matchup is supposed to be safe when Floyd’s in the ring, he could be 50
And guys would claim his prime 25 year old opponent was cherry picked… Should Floyd defeat Manny he (PAC) would be passed of as an average ,midget fighter that Floyd cruelly took advantage of…The public felt Alvarez had a shot and he was certainly a young man, with 13 years and 15 pounds on FMJ…The moment it became clear that Canelo was not the man to take one of the MOST desired “0′s” in history he became “A Bum” as opposed to what he really is a very good young fighter who could not beat an aging ATG…

Posted December 11, 2013 11:33 pm 


spartacus 65

I must say kudos to both Junior and Pacquiao. Both men are in rare conpany in regards to the weight issue. Both proffesionals meet their contracted weight virtually dead on . You don’t hear any foolishness about these two gentlemen rehydrating upto ten or fifteen pounds come fight night. I never was a fan of this out of control rehydrating and xoming in twenty pounds so to speak above the contracted weight. That is a very unfair advantage in my view for the man who worked hard and made the actual contracted weight. Arturo Ghatti several years ago almoat killed a man because of this reason. I believe the fighters name was Joey Gamache. The size differential was truly stunning by fight night and Gamache was brutally kayoed and stayed on the canvas for several svary minutea before he came to.

Posted December 11, 2013 11:20 pm 


SREDMOND

The gap in performance between Mayweather and Marquez and Pacquaio and Marquez cannot be explained by 2 pounds…FACT is that you don’t lose 12 rounds to a boxer because he was 146 and you were 144….If that was the case them how the hell could Mayweather defeat Cotto, Canelo, Oscar, and Ortiz??? How could Manny defeat Margarito, Clottey, Rios and
Others that weighed PLENTY more?? PAC man was NOT felled by one of the young fighters he faced, he was leveled by a 39 year old Marquez that has only berms defeated by other Top WW’s…. Marquez NEVER wanted to be in a boxing ring with Mayweather again and JMM is a CHRONIC WHINER despite his Greatness always looking for another shot… FMJ left him with a clear inferiority complex and for DAMN good reason.. He ain’t on Mayweathers level, but he sure knows how to handle Manny Pacquaio..

Posted December 11, 2013 11:15 pm 


spartacus 65

Correction. Junior asked Canelo to come down to 147 , to which Canelo said no. Junior then.asked for 150/151 to which Canelo said no. Canelo did say yes to 152 because he wanted the fight and knew that junior would never accept a fight with him at 154 his natural weight. That is what really happened. Junior and his camp.put the skewed story oit there that Canelo was the one who initiated the catchweight talks. This in order to deflevt justified criticism of his hypocritical position in regards to Pacquiao and catchweight bouts involving the latter. Lets not be disingenuous here with all due respect. Peace and strength. By the way merry christmas Peej, Hidalgo, Sredmond, Anonymous, Tark , Hecdog and several others. Godspeed to your families.

Posted December 11, 2013 11:08 pm 


SREDMOND

REM, Ortiz weighed 164 pounds the night he fought Mayweather of course Ortiz deserves our sympathy Lol..

Posted December 11, 2013 11:06 pm 


PEEJ

Canelo did ask for the catch weight just like when he called Floyd out after the Cintron fight at 150

Posted December 11, 2013 10:44 pm 


PEEJ

Difference between Pacs catch weight fight and Floyd’s is that Floyd was taking on a bigger fighter who called him out in a different weight class. Only reason he fought Oscar and Cotto with no Catchweight is because he called them out and both of them started at 140 or below so they where not true jr middles. Canelo was a true jr middle and he called Foyd and said he would fight him at 152. Pac was fighting some person in his weight class and demanded a catch weight. Margacheato was the only fighter he moved up to fight that was not in the same weight class.

Posted December 11, 2013 10:43 pm 


REM

Pardon let me clarify my earlier post the blatant lie was Canelo asked for the catchweight.

Posted December 11, 2013 10:39 pm 


REM

Tark many fighters today cut that amount of weight to fight in a given division. Both Canelo and Trout weighted 170 after weighting in at 154. For Floyd Ortiz weighted 160 after weighting in at 147. These are just a few of many examples.

Posted December 11, 2013 10:36 pm 


spartacus 65

Correction gentlemen, VERY elite level over time. My apologies for any errors in spelling etc…

Posted December 11, 2013 10:21 pm 


spartacus 65

Food for thought. If Canelo would starch a past hus prime Duran, Leonard a.d Hearns because they eere used up then here is the obvious answer as to why . Those men were “used up” by 37 years of age because they 1) fought each other IN THEIR PRIMES 2) They fought very STRONG capable opponents in between fighting each other THROUGHOUT their respective careers. So the natural progression of thought will dictate that wear and tear and mileage will accumulate at that BERY elite level over time. Just saying. Cheers.

Posted December 11, 2013 10:19 pm 


spartacus 65

Good evening. The debate in the on going saga of junior vs Pacquiao rages on I see. The usual jargon of let’s blame Arum(yes I don’t like him to be honest), Pacquiao doesn’t eant to take the test,accept the 40 million dollar flat fee, etc… Still swirls around with the same fervo and by the usual suspects on this site. Junior beat a not ready for prime time player in Canelo and according to some Canelo would starch a past his prime Leonard,Hearns, Duran and etc.. Because these men were used up thereby testifying to the greatness of Junior and so forth. Some incredible things being stated here today in favor of junior. To build up Junior par for the course is totear the others down. Anyvase bottom.line: This fairy tale matchup WILL NOT HAPPEN. PERIOD. Juniorhas his game plan and he will not deviate from it. Safe matchups and low risk. Its a winning formula for him and his track record bears this out. Kudos for him but not for mamy who.like to see competitive matchups. Khan? Wellsirs, I rest mycase. Cheers.

Posted December 11, 2013 10:10 pm 


REM

Mayweather was worried about how he matched up with Marquez and wanted any advantage possible. He’s not concerned with achieving true greatness only with continuing his fake reign over boxing. He just did it with Canelo after saying Pacs win over Cotto didn’t count do to the catchweight he fights Canelo at a catchweight with no concern of being truly great just looking for any advantage. Then he tells the public a blatant lie knowing his blind cult followers would eat it up while he laughs at them. That’s why Pac wanted such a fine for coming in over weight. Even the whole random testing thing was to gain a mental advantage after Pac said having blood drawn for the Morales fight weakened him. Oops excuse me fellas I forgot logic has no place in the Floyd fan bubble lol.

Posted December 11, 2013 9:58 pm 


Anonymous

Weight is not the issue in making the fight Happen its Arum. I wish Bradley would take on some real contenders as well. At 147 there is Floyd , Broner, Garcia and Mallinagi. But Arum keeps all his dogs in house so we will never see the big bouts made. Broner will get past Maidana. Tim Bradley is undefeated and cant get a decent match. Floyd vs. Manny never could be made for this reason.

Posted December 11, 2013 9:48 pm 


PEEJ

Yeah, Floyd could easily make 140. He did that to make Pac think he was having trouble making welter. That is why Pac and company wanted like a mil or something for every pound over 147. He did weight 146 the day of the Canelo fight. Notice all the junk food he eats. He has to try and keep his weight on

Posted December 11, 2013 9:26 pm 


B Red

stop being an imposter Mutha Falker, With that BS

Posted December 11, 2013 7:04 pm 


TARK

Titopa…. You’re wrong… Why would Floyd pay 600,000 dollars to stay at 146 rather than lose 2 pounds to 144?… You do the sauna for that and he didn’t want to.

Posted December 11, 2013 6:56 pm 


Fight Aficionado

FYI there’s almost no chance Vitali fights again. Reuters: At the main protest camp on Independence Square, pop stars, politicians and priests had pleaded with police not to shed blood. The interior minister called for calm and promised that the square would not be stormed. But even after the police left the streets, Vitaly Klitschko, a world boxing champion who has emerged as one of the main figures of the opposition, said the overnight action had “closed off the path to compromise”.

“We understand that Yanukovich has not wish to talk to the people and only understands physical force,” he said.

Posted December 11, 2013 6:28 pm 


Titopa

TARK – Floyd weighed 146 the DAY off the fight with Canelo…I highly doubt he’d need the “sauna thing” to make 144.

Posted December 11, 2013 6:11 pm 


TARK

Martinez has entered the ring as much as 168… That’s not a natural super welterweight… He’s a middleweight now.

He looked tiny compared to Pavlik and Chavez.. But they were weight drained.. He was able to box rings around them so the weight was actually a huge advantage to him.

People forget that when you go down in weight you cannot carry that strength, power, or speed with you.. You have a better chance of retaining them, or improving on them, when you move up in weight. Going down in weight you have a good chance of laying an egg.

Floyd could have made 144 for Marquez by doing the sauna thing… but it was going to hurt him. Better to pay the 600,000 dollar fine than risk possible consequences from a tough weight making effort.

Posted December 11, 2013 6:02 pm 


Titopa

PEEJ – He was warned a couple years ago that his paper work was in disarray, he did nothing about it, at first he had problem in his native country, but the treaty between the Philippines and USA doesn’t allow for double taxation, which is why the BIR asked for official IRS papers proving he paid his US taxes, he has NOT provided that proof….and now, he’s being hit with IRS bill.

Posted December 11, 2013 4:43 pm 


Titopa

Auzbox – Um. He let Arum “pay his taxes” for him, yeah, pretty dumb.

Posted December 11, 2013 4:40 pm 


PEEJ

Read a small interview with Koncze or however you spell his name and he says that the issue is they are being hit for too many deductions that are not allowed or where not deductions. He says this has been going on for 3 years now. Also states that Pac will owe and it just determines that if the deductions they have will be allowed. If they are then it will be under 18 mil if they are not then it will be 18 mil or more.

Posted December 11, 2013 4:07 pm 


PEEJ

Only if Pac would of agreed to the fight it could of happened but to many excuses on Pac and companies side

Posted December 11, 2013 4:05 pm 


SeanieP

Mayweather will never fight Pacman, he is fully aware the guy can give him nightmares, I don’t care how much money is on the table, it wont happen,Floyd will go down in history as a very good fighter not in my eyes as GOAT, he will be remembered as the guy who walked away from the biggest fight of his life.

Posted December 11, 2013 3:51 pm 


Auzbox

You really think that he owes 18 million he is not that stupid

Posted December 11, 2013 3:50 pm 


Titopa

Btw. Manny just got hit with a 18million dollar tax bill, Uncle Same is after him….that means, he in trouble son.

Posted December 11, 2013 3:46 pm 


Titopa

Not a fan of May vs Khan, I’d prefer him in against other guys…but let’s be honest, most of the “other guys” are under a certain banner that will ONLY allow their fighters to fight another one of their fighters.

Posted December 11, 2013 3:45 pm 


maracho

Bottom line is that this is the era of fake celebrities, false prophets, pseudoscience, injustice, identity theft, transgenders, transgenics, microbial chimeras, and narcissistic reality tv, psychopathic governments and all the yes-sheople saying Floyd should fight Ortiz, Guerrero, Canelo, Khan, Broner, etc

If Khan was so hot in the UK then he would have been fighting over there. Even Khan said he fights in Los Vegas because the UK doesnt like him.

Canelo never unified nothing. He was given a vacant title against Hatton and then won a WBA super title against Trout who won that as a vacant title against Canelo’s brother.

there thats a bit more grammatically correct

Posted December 11, 2013 3:08 pm 


maracho

Bottom line is that this is the an era of fake celebrities, false prophets, pseudoscience, injustice, identity theft, transgenders, transgenics, microbial chimeras, and narcissistic government reality tv, psychopathic governments and all the yes sheep saying Floyd should fight Ortiz, Guerrero, Canelo, Khan, Broner, etc

If Khan was so hot in the UK then he would have been fighting over there. Even Khan said he fights in Los Vegas because the UK doesnt like him.

Canelo never unified nothing. He was given a vacant title against Hatton and then won a WBA super title against Trout who won that as a vacant title against Canelo’s brother.

Posted December 11, 2013 2:37 pm 


SREDMOND

Bronx, she is right!!! LOL very proud of her she’s a BOSSSS!

Posted December 11, 2013 1:20 pm 


SREDMOND

REM, Mayweather and his team are not idiots, if Khans in play they see value in him from a PPV standpoint, why would I doubt a guy who did over 3 million buys in his last 2 contests?? Mayweather and Co will likely also have an attractive undercard like they did with (Garcia and Matthysee) the last thing Mayweather wants is a Sub 1 million PPV… Pacquiaos card was basically a not attractive the Asian fighter Zhou is not a US attraction…. If you think May and Co will Bomb with Khan wait and see, but he is working off a massive surplus with the Canelo bonanza anyway….

Posted December 11, 2013 1:19 pm 


Chuckles72

Ward is #2 PVP but has no draw? Ward is a very good fighter but after watching his fights and listening to every PVP argument in his favor for years, I am not seeing it. His most significant wins are what – Froch and Kessler? That’s it? Those guys are good Euro fighters but were older with a lot more ring wear. And Dawson does not count (Just watch Dawson-Pascal).

Ward definitely has skill, but the bottom line is that he has to beat more top talent. He came back from a super-long layoff and fought a second-tier fighter. IMHO you should not be ranked PVP for shadow-boxing no matter how great your skills are.

He’s got three choices as I see them. First is to stick at SMW and get set up to fight Chavez, B-Hop, Groves, maybe Alvarez and eventually defend against 3G if he comes up. Bigger name fights at a slow pace. If he pulls a B-Hop and fights like a champ for another 15 years, then he’ll have everyone’s respect.

Second option is to just start beating asses at SMW. Fight three or four times a year and just rack up the numbers. Take on the up-and comers.

Third option is to move up. He looks like he has the frame to do it and there is at least some buzz there.

I dunno, maybe I am being too hard on the guy because he is not in a division that has a ton of top fighters. I fully admit that he has great skills but boxing is all about dealing with the unexpected and that cannot be tested outside of the ring. Just my crappy opinion though – I see why people praise the guy but I can’t get on board – yet.

Posted December 11, 2013 1:16 pm 


PEEJ

Khan has more fans than Guerrero. So I don’t see why it wouldn’t sell a mil if the Guerrero fight sold a mil

Posted December 11, 2013 12:50 pm 


Teepee

Bottom line Floyd has no loses never been knock down and fought a lot of champs hate or luv it he is the best right now and he makes the most $$$ in sports give props to the man haters lol

Posted December 11, 2013 11:46 am 


REM

SRed you cannot possibly think that Floyd v Kahn is gonna sell 1 mil domestic ppv buys. If they fight in the UK it will do well at the gate and in network ratings over there but over here it will be like Floyd took another year off. No ones buying that fight over here especially for 70 $. We still have the problem with the laws on xylocaine in the UK also. It will do well at the gate in Vegas if the fight takes place over here but ppv revenue will be an epic failure.

Posted December 11, 2013 11:42 am 


Teepee

He’ll I don’t think PAC can beat Canelo why don’t PAC call out him or Guerrero cuz they will slug with him and put him to bed again so he went and fought this weak azz dude lol

Posted December 11, 2013 11:40 am 


BRONX

Redmond, your sister is hot!!

Posted December 11, 2013 11:37 am 


SREDMOND

A guy gets to be Champ with the attributes he has ie power or speed… Canelo is a very good young fighter, is he the speed demon a prime Mayweather was? Hell No that said he Unified the 154 pound class and got a crack at a 36 year old version of FMJ what more can the kid ask for? He had youth, power and size advantages NOW you wanna give him Floyd’s fleetness to somehow level the playing field?? At 36 going on 37 Duran, Leonard and Hearns would have ALL booked losses to Canelo they were spent… That should tell you something about the talents of Floyd Mayweather Jr…

Posted December 11, 2013 11:36 am 


SREDMOND

Guerrero accomplished MORE than Rios who never even beat a WW in his life and was coming DIRECT off a loss when facing Pacquaio.. Guerrero actually has some skills, we al know that Rios is a smaller Margarito coming out of the same gym and eating headshots just like Tony…

Posted December 11, 2013 11:22 am 


SREDMOND

REM, Khan has a big enough name and profile to do strong business with Mayweather and of they fought in Wembley the place would be packed.. It’s NOT gonna do Canelo numbers but 1.5 mill is an EXCELLENT PPV number historically and that’s attainable with Khan in the ring..People with no business sense think that Showtime benchmarked Floyd’s deal against 2million buys which is foolish, prior to “The One” only the ODH fight broke that number, most likely they looked at the profitability of the average Mayweather bout over the past few years and gave him that deal ie between 1.2 to 1.4 mill…. Mayweathers not gonna do a PPV that flirts with 500k buys, he cannot meet his obligations with unbankable fighters…

Posted December 11, 2013 10:44 am 


Homo Erectus

TARK you should take a leaf out of PEEJ’s book, accusing someone of being an idiot then proceeding to type a pile of the most idiotic retarded babble immediately afterwards. Oops, my bad I see that you already have.

Mosley is a noted banger.

He’s also a self-admitted PED cheat.

Only a complete moron would dispute he was CLEARLY on PEDs for the Margarito fight.

Only a complete moron would try and dispute that Margarito’s chin is forged out of titanium.

He has proven this to be the case time and time and again throughout his entire career.

Said PED’d up cheat and noted banger Mosley pounded on Margarito’s titanium jaw section for round after round, landing with a sickening array of undeniably highlight reel thunderous flush bombs.

Only a complete moron would dispute the sturdiness of someone’s chin who was able to withstand that kind of brutal assault or that the multitude of punches Mosley landed upon it were extremely hard.

You’re basing your ridiculous assertion of Mayeather having a sturdier chin Margarito of off the fact he’s only ever been knocked down once but you’re completely ignoring that he’s one of the greatest defensive fighters of all time who rarely ever gets caught clean, and certainly not with a succession of big shots of noted punchers, and that Maragito is a face first plodder who eats punches for breakfast, lunch, dinner and dessert.

Your argument is more leaky and full of more holes than Margarito’s porous defence. It took literally hundreds of a PED’d up Mosley’s flush bombs to crack Margarito’s titanium jaw, whereas an older even more ”washed up” PED free Mosley nearly put Mayweather’s lights out with a solitary punch. End of discussion/

As for you even more ludicrous and ridiculous theory about his plastered wraps preventing him from getting hit, you obviously haven’t followed his career or seen any of his fights. haha. Cotto pounded away unmercifully on Margarito’s anvil-like chin for the first 3 quarters of their fight with no discernible effect. Margarito waded through Cotto’s bombs like they were Mallignaggi slaps. Mayweather didn’t seem too comfortable getting caught by Cotto’s cadaver’s punches years later mind you.

If Mayweather’s chin is sturdier than Margarito’s, then I’m sure you won’t have too much difficulty in locating a video of one of his fights where he gets caught clean with an endless succession of flush bombs from a noted banger like this.

youtube.com/watch?v=ADO18BBet4w

Looks like the idiot’s idiocy has been exposed by the ”idiot” who keeps exposing all the idiot Mayweather’s idiot devotee’s idiocy.

Thanks for playing along

Posted December 11, 2013 10:43 am 


Morgan

Vivik once again taking things out of context. That 70-30 split of PPV proceeds was merely a counter offer to Mayweather’s request for 100% of the PPV proceeds.

Concerning Pac’s past debt, we all know that the U.S. didnt deserve that 18 million, especially when hr wanted it to go to charity

Posted December 11, 2013 10:32 am 


REM

I don’t understand how Kahn is a money fight. Sure he’s big in the UK but am I missing something does the UK carry Showtime not from what I know. Their fight will do low ppv buys here in the States I don’t see the sngle on this one.

Posted December 11, 2013 7:57 am 


SREDMOND

Khan would NOT be a bigger opponent than Manny but Khan does not work for Top Rank and his guarantee would be less than PAC Mans… Khans a money fight and that’s just how it is… What was Mosley on a LOSING streak for PAC Man? A money fight… Mayweathers got 4 fights to stack the chips that will close out his career..

Posted December 11, 2013 7:50 am 


SREDMOND

I understand guys wanting to see Mayweather vs PAC, I still wanna see the contest as well that said I am in tears laughing when people try to say “Floyd needs Manny” when nothing could be further from the truth..Mayweather has a clear plan to the finish line, that has him setup for minimum Paydays of 32 mill which is higher than anyone else’s guarantees before PPV upside, Mayweather almost as many PPV buys in his last event than Manny did in his last 3 events, PAC Man has serious tax issues in the US and Phillipines and his last event bombed…Manny needs the fight WAY more than FMJ and for some practical reasons that are hard to believe after the purses he earned..

Posted December 11, 2013 7:45 am 


SREDMOND

I give Manny and Floyd Cred for whipping Cotto, FACT is that Mayweather moved up in weight to face him… Cotto was Pacquaio’s best win to be honest FACT remains that Mayweather beat a number of their common opponents first so passing off Floyd’s wins as pedestrian and Mannys AFTER as “stellar” is comical…

Posted December 11, 2013 7:33 am 


Auzbox

And mbuysell guerro was a robot who is no where near as good as rios so much the same, canelo was overrated and didn’t move much either

Posted December 11, 2013 6:14 am 


Auzbox

Sredmomd always with the 100 word essays, and excuse after excuse manny whipped cotto when cotto was at his best mayweather 2 years later. There is only 1 fight left and it is not Khan

Posted December 11, 2013 5:41 am 


Auzbox

WBC could be anything but still the best title on this planet duckweather clown

Posted December 11, 2013 5:38 am 


Auzbox

Manny is mayweathers biggest money fight you anonymous idiot, sick of you floyd idiots thinking there is a bigger fight than manny as there is not and never will be

Posted December 11, 2013 5:37 am 


Mbuyiseli

When is this going to end? Manny is a WBC ranked beating a robot coming up in weight. Was Rios ranked anywhere in the 147lbs division? This happens when deal with the scores of delusional Pactards. WBC will stay corrupt, we never expected nothing less from them crooks.

Posted December 11, 2013 5:33 am 


auzbox

khan is bigger than manny, your an idiot obviously why your anonoymos

Posted December 11, 2013 5:26 am 


Anonymous

The only reason Floyd is picking Khan is because its about Money. Kahn is bigger than manny. The Uk will buy this fight big time it will gross over 100+ mill easy. And Khan has no chance of winning. Manny is broke and his career took a serious dive with his K.O. Not to mention Arum is screwing him. The Rios bout had leaa than 550,000 ppvs. Floyd calls all the shots the wbc named manny as the number 1 contender but he is not a mandatory why? Because Mayweather is vegas and his fight blow the city up and bring millions of dollars to the city. Its all about the dead presidents in boxing. Fighting Kahn will sell out as soon as the fight is annouced just like the Alverez fight. Manny needs to bet Tim Bradley maybe even K.O. him then Floyd will have no choice other than to take the fight, then people will come out big to see it not just Mannys loyal fans But again Arum is the reason why it was never made.

Posted December 11, 2013 4:28 am 


Ray Ray

Wow….ha ha Khan is 2-2 in his last 4 ha ha ha listen 2 the haterz. Whats Manny? Here we go again on the road that turns full circle…ha ha ha. U get nowhere with the pacman/Mayweather ear bashings? Floyds been at the top 17 yrs and never beatn any1 in there prime? What career have u been watching? If both stepped in now and Floyd won would u give him credit? Answer, no. MANNY wasnt in his prime. Y cant people think there both good? And respect both champs?

Posted December 11, 2013 1:48 am 


B Red

Old Coot can I rub my bell-end all over your face like Pete does to Jenna in Raiders of the Loose Ass?

Posted December 11, 2013 12:45 am 


B Red

Old Coot, your Boxing Don ,Martha Focker

Posted December 10, 2013 11:20 pm 


Old Coot

Floyd the “but” man… As in- “BUT… He never beat Pacman!”

Posted December 10, 2013 11:01 pm 


Adrian

PEEJ

Wow just read Pac owes the US IRS 18mil. Just getting worse and worse.

Posted December 10, 2013 5:48 pm

HahAhahahahaha …a true boxing fan !!!! Pfffff….

Posted December 10, 2013 9:33 pm 


REM

Tark not saying your wrong because his power did increase at mw but Martinez was smaller than every mw he fought. I’ve said this before and it still holds true we have to take Martinez at his word that he’s a natural jmw since his bluff was never called.

Posted December 10, 2013 9:18 pm 


Big Al

On Ward, he just hasn’t earned it. He may have hardcore fans, but they are only a fraction of the fanbase of other star fighters. The other moneymakers sell themselves, Ward is blaming his promoter. When you’re the quiet, church-going, family man-type that fights once a year, there’s only so much your promoter can do. Goldenboy and TopRank working together in overtime still wouldn’t make Ward a household name or guarantee him more than a couple million bucks tops.

Posted December 10, 2013 9:18 pm 


17 Years at the Top but I’ve Never Beaten a Great Fighter That was in Their Prime

Interviewer: ”Let’s talk about Pacquiao. You know, he recently fought and like right after he won, you know what I’m saying, tweets started flying saying that he’s ready to fight you now it’s a matter of whether or not you wanna fight him. Where do you stand with that?”

Floyd Mayweather: (being dismissive) ”Where we stand is this. Pacquiao is 1-2 in his last 3 fights. That’s where we stand on that.”

Floyd Mayweather’s next opponent Amir Khan is 2-2 in his last 4 fights but should be 1-3 if you count the gift he received over a shot Julio Diaz who dropped Khan and hurt him everytime his glove grazed Khan’s disgusting glass jaw with a half-hearted punch. Diaz would’ve become the third fighter to shatter that feeble old lady mandible the god’s cursed Khan with had the pro Khan referee not allowed Khan to hold on to Diaz for dear life everytime he got within sniffing distance of him.

Of course Mayweather neglects to mention that Pacquiao was disgracefully robbed blind in the Bradley fight and that Khan had been brutally knocked out by Danny Garcia a few fights ago.

Posted December 10, 2013 8:49 pm 


TARK

Martinez never could punch at 147 and 154… When he went to 160 he was like 34 — but his power and speed increased tremendously. This tells me he was a natural middleweight who was starving his body to stay at a certain weight.

Jimmy Ellis of the 1960′s and 70′s fought most of his fights at 160, and had no power at all… when Ellis finally started going up in weight he started knocking guys out… He became a Heavyweight Champion by beating Leotis Martin, Oscar Bonavena, and Jerry Quarry in an elimination tourney …

Often guys think it’s an advantage to fight at a lower weight when they’re just killing their natural strength, speed, and punching power.

Posted December 10, 2013 8:15 pm 


Swedish Boxing Fan

Well Floyd Mayweather Jr can’t run now.Sure he can vacate the WBC title belt BUT he will be decleared as a runner and that will hurt him more then ever. Just make the fight happen so it will be done once and for all. Floyd Mayweather jr is the title defender and a “real champion” don’t vacate the belt to avoid top opponent / big cash fight. Mike Tyson did that to Lennox Lewis back in 1996 and that was a sad story itself. First Tyson paid $4 million to Lewis in “step-a-side-money” for Lewis to wait until Tyson had conqerd the WBA title for a WBC/WBA unification fight and Lewis smart accepted that offer becouse all to win right (?). Well as we all know, he droped his WBC title soon after he won the WBA title from Bruce Seldon = Tyson had jumped off the hook to be obligated to fight Lennox Lewis and that was a sportmanship bad move. Yeah Mike tyson fought Evander Holyfield and got kinocked out anyway. Well that was a side track but things here could look thge same bad if Floyd Mayweather Jr should drop his WBC title and duck the obligation and oppertunity to fight Manny “Pac-Man” Paquiao in a career high fight.

Posted December 10, 2013 8:12 pm 


REM

Martinez is a career ww/jmw who offered to boil down to 150 to make a superfight with Floyd. This is well documented and it just needs to be accepted that Floyd wanred no part of Martinez at jmw. I’ve never credited Pac for his win over Mosley and I don’t care if Pac sells 50 ppvs his next fight as long as Pac v Floyd is projected to break records Pacs entitled to half.

Posted December 10, 2013 7:58 pm 


TARK

Sredmond.., I did argue right after the fight that Trout was a point better than Canelo.. We shared a lot of posts about it the day after in fact, but you have a poor memory.. I always said the scoring was ridiculous if you remember..

However it was a close fight and I thought Canelo would handle the weight issue better and force a close fight with Floyd.. I knew it would be a record breaking fight and said so long ago.. You disagreed.. The scores were very close to what I expected, and way off, but the fight was dominant in Floyd’s favor.

Lara however is a much tougher opponent for Floyd because he’s a better and faster defender… he punches from more unpredictable angles… can get his right hooks in on Floyd… and throws his left counter in a more patient delivery than anyone Floyd has faced … He’s a very tough customer for Floyd … and I believe tougher than Pacquiao because of his youth, height, and reach… I believe and hope the fight will get done, and Floyd will also face Pac and Danny.

Posted December 10, 2013 7:38 pm 


Havoc

I know money is very important but I can’t imagine how is this an issue or problem. Just make the fight before old age set in for both and fans will have another discussion if they fight in thier prime it could be a different result.

Posted December 10, 2013 7:21 pm 


Fight Aficionado

I thought Floyd was announcing his opponent this week. Why the delay? It’s not like they’ve got some wondrous plans at work. It’s most likely Khan. Whatev.

Posted December 10, 2013 6:57 pm 


SREDMOND

Martinez is NOT even a challenger for FMJ’s lineal title at 154 so how does that compute? and Lara is just ANOTHER guy that is looking good right about now on the strength of a points win against a guy that was coming off a LOSS to a GUY that Mayweather took the Lineal Crown from… Floyd is ending his career at this point its business and guys with NO NAME or not bankable are not getting a shot… His POWER in the sport was earned and that’s just how it goes, Arum has OPENLY discussing Pac not facing Bradley due to the poor numbers they did and will likely do AGAIN so Manny is a businessman as well!!!! Bradley makes good sense, he defeated Manny on paper and he defeated the guy who put Pacs career on life support for a minute…That said Pac Man cannot do another 500k PPV or he will be facing Mayweather for 5 million dollars and some free tickets (Satire but you get the point)….

Posted December 10, 2013 6:47 pm 


SREDMOND

REM, again you NEVER address the HARD deduction that we would have to give Manny beating Mosley off a loss and a draw…Martinez and Floyd are NOT even in the same division so that’s just a MW that you wanna throw out there and sell as a natural competitor for the smaller Mayweather… We KNOW that Manny could not accept these challenges (even a Canelo) he got flatblasted at 147 by an Old Marquez who lost to Bradley and Mayweather at WW…History is NEVER gonna pair Mayweather and Martinez and that’s just a fact… AGAIN you up the challenge because you understand that at 147 Mayweather is pretty much unbeatable even after starting at 130…. I hope the Pac bout happens but I will not hold my breath too much red tape…

Posted December 10, 2013 6:42 pm 


SREDMOND

AGAIN I agree that Trout handled nicely and I thought the scoring was WIDE against Trout… But I do NOTE you changing your tune Tark, (nothing new) I never saw you say “Trout Won”…… But then again you are indeed a revisionist…FACT is that Trout lost to Canelo and only complained that the scores were wide, he then lost to Lara…. I cannot say “Lara is better than Canelo” at this point and were it not for the fact Alvarez is gonna seek some bouts for $$$$ then I would naturally wanna see those 2 mix… Especially considering that Lara called him out…

Posted December 10, 2013 6:37 pm 


REM

The Mosley that beat Margo was a shell of his former self. He lost his zip before the Margo fight Margo simply couldn’t compete on that level without cheating. Lara like I’ve been saying has been the best jmw who deserved that acknowledgement over him really he lost to Molina yeah that was clearly dominance by Molina smh. He was pulling away from Vanes when the headbutt occured he was robbed against Williams and so forth. No one could claim to have a better resume than Lara. I don’t care about whos financially viable for Floyds last fights hes been concerned about that since the Oscar fight and avoided 2 lucrative fights (Pac and Martinez) along the way. He hold 2 lineal tittles and needs to fight the best challengers to those tittles or he will retire with a legacy with more questions than answers.

Posted December 10, 2013 6:34 pm 


TARK

Pacquiao is willing to make a ton of concessions to get the fight done… Pacquiao really wants the fight and will make concession after concession… He has tax problems… Those tax problems are HUGE!!!

Where all his money went he has no good documentation for… The man is very bright… But he’s as smart about money as Kareem Abdull Jabbar… Pacquiao let a bunch of crooks and fools handle his money and financial documents… That’s never a great idea.

For that reason Pacquiao is desperate to get more fights… particularly a Floyd fight.

Posted December 10, 2013 6:33 pm 


TARK

Lara is the best at 154… Trout was actually was one point better than Canelo if you score dead accurately — because Trout landed significantly more punches in 7 rounds… Canelo won only 5 rounds, so with the knockdown it should have been 114-113 for Trout.

Lara landed both more punches and harder punches than Trout… He floored Trout harder and hurt Trout more… He deserves a Floyd fight at 154… Lara has no problem making 154 so he won’t be weight drained like Canelo…

It would be interesting to see how Floyd could possibly beat this big, strong, youthful, powerful, fast, tricky southpaw at age 37 … Lara doesn’t give you a thing.

Posted December 10, 2013 6:24 pm 


SREDMOND

Lara is a seriously talented fighter and he is an issue for most at 154, that said the FMJ train is not stopping for a guy bringing nothing to the table at 154 and that’s just the way it is… EVERYONE is gunning for Floyd so now after beating Trout, who JUST got beaten he is the NEW guy? FACT is the man has NO FANBASE I know people hate the red tape in boxing but its not going anywhere… Mayweather cannot do 500k PPV’s like Pac just did with a contract that guarantees the money he is making…Pac Man has a better shot at Floyd than a Lara who brings NADA to the table outside of hardcore fans….Mayweathers legacy is secure and beating a Lara or GGG will register with hardcore fans ONLY and frankly Golovkin deserves a shot LESS than Lara who has been in with some name guys at 154 and done very well… Trout, Williams, Molina (questionable), Vanes (ugly bout)

Posted December 10, 2013 6:00 pm 


SREDMOND

Mosley beat a FAR more dangerous fighter in Margarito via CRUSHING KO yet you wanna pass him off as “A Shell” against Floyd… Whats your stance on Mosley vs Pacquiao after Shane had not won in 2 bouts? You are drooling over Lara beating Trout coming DIRECT off a loss but you wanna give Mayweather no credit for beating Mosley coming off one of his career best wins? AGAIN these double standards abound…

Posted December 10, 2013 5:48 pm 


PEEJ

Wow just read Pac owes the US IRS 18mil. Just getting worse and worse.

Posted December 10, 2013 5:48 pm 


PEEJ

Lara is not the best fighter in that division. Heck Molina beat him but got robbed on the cards and Molina is garbage. He drew with Vanes. Where is this he is the best in the division garbage coming from. Please. He has a bit to go before saying he is the best of the division. And unfortunately Pac had excuses on why not to fight Floyd

Posted December 10, 2013 5:46 pm 


SREDMOND

REM, how is Lara NOW the “BEST” at 154? explain that to me? I am impressed with his work that said how did he “become the best” he beat Austin Trouth who was coming off a loss where his “0″ was taken from him by Canelo? like Lara Canelo put him down ALSO….Again if beating Trout is the marker of a guy who should be in Floyds sights then when are you gonna bow down and give FMJ BIG cred for taking Canelo with no issues?? Tick Tock

Posted December 10, 2013 5:45 pm 


REM

Oh god here we go with the “their not the same after Floyd beats them” nonsense please one fight after he looked bad against Mora that’s the Mosley Floyd fought a fighter that was a shell of himself. What kind of different animal is he the 2 divisions he’s “champ” of he has yet to fight the best fighters in those divisions (Pac and Lara). He’s a cherrypicking charlatan illusionist that’s all he’ll ever be because he doesn’t have the physical and mental toughness to be anything more. The first thought that will come to mind whrn Floyd is gone is he ducked Pac that says all anyone needs to know.

Posted December 10, 2013 5:39 pm 


SREDMOND

TJ, why doe Lara “owe Angulo a rematch” he broke his face and made him QUIT…. Angulo did have him down 2x, that said he was taking fire and eventually the sharper puncher cracked his melon… I don’t understand this notion that a legit stoppage automatically entitles the guy who got beat a rematch…Sooner or later boxers need to move on to the NEXT guy and get on with it… Lara did nice work with Trout so it should be ON to the NEXT….

Posted December 10, 2013 5:36 pm 


SREDMOND

Pacquiao LOST and he was stopped 3x his reported status as a young man falls under the heading of excuses. He was KNOCKED OUT by a 40 year old Marquez with Roach in his corner… Just like Wlad was KNOCKED OUT by Brewster with Manny Steward in his corner… Passing off a boxers failings due to his prior trainer is WEAK, your body of work is what it is… We have seen Manny with Strength and Conditioning Coaches what has FMJ utilized? A barely understandable Uncle, a contentious Father and Old School training and sparring….. Floyd has PLENTY of distractions and a lot of them have not been positive ie Jail, Taxes, Lawsuits ect, YET come fight night he blocks that out an delivers the EXPECTED result…. Pacquiao is supposed to be given an pass for Karaoke and Congress?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! The man got blasted by a 40 year old Marquez who NEVER beat another WW fighter…Again I love Manny but the ONLY boxer in this conversation that still retains his aura of invincibility though he is 2 years older is Floyd Mayweather…. Pac has 4 CLEAR losses on his resume and 3 he could not finish….Mayweather had to make weight back in the day also, EXCUSES, EXCUSES

Posted December 10, 2013 5:32 pm 


TJ

TARK

WIll LARA give ANGULO a deserved rematch. ANGULO deserves a rematch. He had LARA biting the canvas twice in their decent bout a few months ago…

I seriously think TROUT and CANELO are not as good as we were led to believe. You know my views on Trout. He is a great on top fighter, but lacks the defensive skills and experience to old man his way through in tough scrapes. Once LARA git on top it was a case of one way traffic!

Trout spends all his time going backwards, even when he is on top in a fight.

Overall, I’ve not been impressed in No Doubt…. anyone can put it together for one bout and Austin did that COTTO, but nothing before or since.

LARA was robbed vs PUNISHER and owes ANGULO a rematch….

Posted December 10, 2013 5:31 pm 


SREDMOND

“Running out of Gas” is HARDLY an excuse Floyd was in the ring with a boxer 13 years YOUNGER and 15 pounds heavier did he “Run out of Gas” stamina falls under the heading of preparation… Klitschkos PSYCHO fans try to pass his losses off as “Gassing” like that’s a credible excuse… The better man on a given night wins the fight and that’s how it goes… If Floyd Mayweather started huffing would his detractors say “Mayweather just gassed out” ????? HELL NO that’s why he shows up ready and NEVER does….45-0

Posted December 10, 2013 5:25 pm 


SREDMOND

Shane was NOT “washed up” when he fought Margo he was banging Margarito into the later rounds… Shane had lost but NEVER been punked in the ring till Floyd took his heart and boxed him senseless…Guys are ridiculous you wanna call Shane shot for beating Margarito yet Shane had already had tough outings against Forrest and Wright 154 pounders where Sugar was not his best..We know this ALL AGAIN goes back to the INCREDIBLE Floyd Mayweather and the ongoing campaign by his detractors to explain away that Undefeated Record… Should Manny book a loss to Mayweather he will be DOWNGRADED by Anti-Mayweather sorts in a manner he never believed or he will be given a pass as “Old” though he is facing an OLDER opponent… Guys treat getting Floyds “0″ like unlocking the genetic code to the HIV virus… All these fighters book losses in their prime for the most part, Mayweather is a different animal that is something that can NEVER be logically said of his career…

Posted December 10, 2013 5:19 pm 


PEEJ

Well before you leave, Thanks for Playing

Posted December 10, 2013 5:19 pm 


Old Coot

@ Homo Erectus: You never said truer words… Later!

Posted December 10, 2013 5:13 pm 


Homo Erectus

But before I leave

PEEJ

”And no I didn’t contradict myself”

PEEJ

”Margacheato fought a PED free Mosley and got KOd. Mosley had plenty of gas.

PEEJ

”Listen up moron, Mosley ran out of gas because Floyd was putting it on him”

Posted December 10, 2013 5:13 pm 


PEEJ

That is fine. Still, Pac can’t handle boxers. That is why he was out boxed by Morales, Marquez and per the judges Bradley. And he was still KOd against Marquez

Posted December 10, 2013 5:12 pm 


TARK

Homo Erectus you’re an idiot…

Cheato’s chin is NOWHERE… At age 37 as washed up Shane Mosley took on a prime Cheato Margarito… Shane smashed Cheato TFO… That proved Cheato’s chin was a myth… Without plastered wraps to keep punchers off of him Cheato was a Rito … a ritz cracker who crumbled all over the place when hit.

Floyd was down once from a head shot… Zab Judah floored Floyd for a split instant with a right hook … and Floyd popped right back up.

All of Cheato’s wins are suspect… In reality he beat nobody, which the Cotto rematch proved… Without plaster he’s a puzzy kitten.

Posted December 10, 2013 5:11 pm 


Homo Erectus

Old Coot taking candy from a baby is more difficult that this. The kind of stupidity we’re having to deal with here is disturbing to say the least. I’ll pop back later on to see if any of them can up their game. haha

Posted December 10, 2013 5:10 pm 


PEEJ

Its ok, you don’t have much boxing knowledge. But the fact is Mosley was having trouble hitting Floyd but Floyd was having no issues hitting Mosley. That will tire anybody out. Get some knowledge. And no I didn’t contradict myself. He was PED free against Margacheato as he was with Floyd and Pac and everybody else he fought. He said he only took it during the Oscar rematch. He has never came up dirty before. He came out and admitted it. So I’ll take his word when he said he did it for the Oscar rematch only. But thanks for playing moron.

Posted December 10, 2013 5:10 pm 


Old Coot

Peej: Pac was twice KO’d with body shots, when he was still a near dehydrated, skinny near starving street urchin turned pro in the PI, constantly struggling to make minimum weight, with amateurish neophyte trainers, before Freddie came along… Whereas, Floyd was born into boxing royalty with all the tutelage and nutrition a future Olympian and world champ could ever need.

Posted December 10, 2013 5:09 pm 


Homo Erectus

PEEJ you’re too stupid for words. How many times has self-admitted PED cheat Mosley taken the test? How very convenient that his gas tanks were running on empty after only a few rounds the time he was forced to do so?

Not only is your reading comprehension awful, but you also lack the basic intelligence to avoid contradicting yourself and making a complete ass out of yourself only minutes later after saying something.

PEEJ

”Margacheato fought a PED free Mosley and got KOd. Mosley had plenty of gas.

PEEJ

”Listen up moron, Mosley ran out of gas because Floyd was putting it on him”

Posted December 10, 2013 5:06 pm 


PEEJ

Listen up moron, Mosley ran out of gas because Floyd was putting it on him. That is what happens when you get hit but yet can’t hit your opponent. Every opponent goes through the testing so whats your point. It had nothing to do with his past, had everything to do with the fact that everybody Floyd faces has to take the test. Thanks for playing though moron

Posted December 10, 2013 4:57 pm 


Old Coot

@ Homo Erectus: Git em’!!! And as I said earlier… Floyd also took advantage of the fact that Shane would be over-trained from completing camps for Berto then Floyd back-to-back, too!

Posted December 10, 2013 4:57 pm 


Old Coot

@ Teepee: Between Pac and Floyd… Floyd is the only one who has ever used drugs… That is why Floyd won’t ever fight anywhere but Vegas, the only place where they allow him to shoot up his brittle meat hooks with Zylocaine! LOL!!

Posted December 10, 2013 4:54 pm 


Homo Erectus

Stop lying PEEJ. The PED free Mosley ran out of gas after only a few rounds against Floyd. Why do you think Floyd insisted he undergo extra testing you moron? It was CLEARLY not the same PED enhanced energized Tasmanian Devil monster who brutalized Margarito.

Posted December 10, 2013 4:52 pm 


Old Coot

Teepee: Pac never, EVER, “got beaten”… He got robbed by judges, then KO’d by a lucky shot! Hell, he even easily won the round he got KO’d in!

Posted December 10, 2013 4:52 pm 


Homo Erectus

Was Mosley an self-admitted PED cheat yes or no?

Did Floyd insist PED cheat Mosley had to take the test yes or no?

Did said PED cheat take the test for that fight yes or no?

Did PED cheat Mosley take the test for Pacquiao yes or no?

Has Paquiao ever failed a drug test or admitted he took PEDS like Mosley?

Thanks for playing along.

Posted December 10, 2013 4:48 pm 


Homo Erectus

If your reading comprehension was perfectly fine you wouldn’t have replied with this

”If you hit Floyd flush he can’t take it. Where is this proof? He is undefeated. Mosley hit him flush, Floyd took it and then continued to whoop him. Castillo hit him flush, took it just fine, Zab got a flush one and he took it, Cotto hit him flush, took it. I mean I can go on with some fighters that got a flush shot in there. He took all of them. That is ridiculous”

Posted December 10, 2013 4:43 pm 


Teepee

So was Mosley ped free when PAC fought him or was they both on ped then

Posted December 10, 2013 4:39 pm 


PEEJ

Margacheato fought a PED free Mosley and got KOd. Mosley had plenty of gas. My reading comprehension is perfectly fine

Posted December 10, 2013 4:37 pm 


Homo Erectus

Floyd fought a PED free Mosley who complete ran out of gas after a few rounds. I’ve seen lots of Mosley’s fights and that’s the only time I’ve ever seen him ever do that. It’s obviously not a coincidence it was also the only time he ever did extra testing.

Posted December 10, 2013 4:28 pm 


Homo Erectus

Please brush up on your reading comprehension before you reply to one of my posts next time PEEJ. Assuming you were talking to me?

Posted December 10, 2013 4:24 pm 


Teepee

Bottom line is if Floyd can make fights with all these champs with no problems but when it comes to arum and PAC it’s all this bs in the game that let u know who is at fault and PAC don’t have the balls to stand up and say make this happen or he just don’t want Floyd like he say he do he’ll I’ll fight Floyd for 40mil he’ll 1mil even

Posted December 10, 2013 4:23 pm 


REM

Cmon Manny let Floyd make the 150mil on your back so we can be rich yay lmfao.

Posted December 10, 2013 4:18 pm 


Teepee

PAC fought the same Shane Floyd did so u can’t credit one and not the other

Posted December 10, 2013 4:17 pm 


PEEJ

Teepee asking Pac to take the test is these dudes ammunition for saying Floyd was making excuses. They don’t acknowledge the fact that Pac came out with so many excuses on why he couldn’t take them which was pretty much proved wrong when he did the test against Rios. They are just Floyd haters or Pactoids.

Posted December 10, 2013 4:17 pm 


PEEJ

If you hit Floyd flush he can’t take it. Where is this proof? He is undefeated. Mosley hit him flush, Floyd took it and then continued to whoop him. Castillo hit him flush, took it just fine, Zab got a flush one and he took it, Cotto hit him flush, took it. I mean I can go on with some fighters that got a flush shot in there. He took all of them. That is ridiculous.

Posted December 10, 2013 4:15 pm 


Teepee

PAC took the same test Floyd was asking for Marquez for less $$ why couldn’t he take it for Floyd and 40mil on the table that don’t make sense not even to the dumbs person on earth

Posted December 10, 2013 4:15 pm 


REM

Titopa you missed the point the point is if you hit Floyd clean he can’t take it because he’s fragile. This isn’t a video game when you win your attributes don’t go up smh. Floyd fought a faded Mosley so what he beat Margo.

Posted December 10, 2013 4:13 pm 


Teepee

And what happen to Shane when they fought got his azz kicked lol

Posted December 10, 2013 4:08 pm 


Teepee

Floyd just wanted the drug test that PAC took for Marquez but he wouldn’t take it for Floyd Floyd offers 40mil to PAC to fight PAC turn down then bob says the test to much blood , PAC don’t like needles,we having a stadium built,the money,the month isn’t right and now arum is saying PAC fights in April knowing Floyd has the MGM for May and September , then arum saying the network. Now who really has the excuses.

Posted December 10, 2013 4:07 pm 


PEEJ

Oh yeah I remember that, he had a tooth ache then went on vacation. Good memory. lol.

Posted December 10, 2013 4:03 pm 


Old Coot

Peej: Floyd once pretended to call out Shane when he was hurt back in like 2005/ 2006 or so… But once he got well… Floyd was all like, you gotta ask my promoter, then Arum!

Posted December 10, 2013 4:02 pm 


Homo Erectus

Don’t be expecting to see Floyd signing to fight Lara anytime soon then. haha.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:59 pm 


PEEJ

Nope I don’t believe they did. Bradley vs Marquez did though.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:59 pm 


Teepee

Old coot PAC didn’t fight Marquez like Floyd and Floyd didn’t get put to bed like PAC every since the drug thing came up PAC been getting his azz beat I’ll give PAC Bradley but down hill since then koed so he beat a guy that like to get hit wow

Posted December 10, 2013 3:59 pm 


PEEJ

I like the way people always hang out too he almost did this or they almost did that. Almost isn’t doing it.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:58 pm 


Hidalgo

“Marquez told Pac that he would take any drug test he wanted. Pac of course declined.”

I believe that both Pac and Marquez submitted to random testing which was administered by NSAC for their 4th fight.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:57 pm 


Homo Erectus

Countless times I’ve seen Floyd devotees make the claim that Floyd has a better chin than Antonio Margarito simply because Margarito had been stopped and Floyd hasn’t. Cray cray I know. Floyd’s chin isn’t anywhere close to being deserving of being classed in that kind of company.

His fans want us to believe he’s one of the top 5 defensive specialists of all time, but by the same token they also want us to believe his chin deserves to be ranked as one of the greatest of all times too. He rarely ever gets caught clean and we certainly don’t see him get hit flush with a successions of big punches from noted punchers. Margarito’s chin is light years ahead of Floyd’s. He gets caught repeatedly over and over again with humongous bombs that would put most fighter’s lights out if only a fraction of them landed.

Case in point. A PED free Mosley whose tanks had completely run out of gas after only a couple of rounds came within a whisker of putting Floyd to sleep with a single right hand, but the PED juiced up monster Mosley who fought like an energized Tasmanian Devil from start to finish, fighting at a ridiculous pace and intensity, bounced hundreds of bombs off of his chin with no discernible affect until they cumulative effect of them inevitably took its toll on his chin and he eventually wilted. Floyd would’ve been laid out cold if he’d fought that Mosley. That’s why he insisted on Mosley doing the extra tests, because he knew that he would be a completely different fighter without his PEDs. No way Floyd’s chin would’ve stood up to a fraction of the amount of punishment Margarito’s was subjected to in that fight.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:57 pm 


Hidalgo

“Another thing people don’t take into consideration is that the vast majority, give or take a few exceptions, of these bigger, slower carefully selected opponents he fights are also at a reach disadvantage too so obviously that works greatly in his favor too.”

This is farily true, however, Lara has a three inch reach advantage over Floyd.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:55 pm 


PEEJ

Donaire has never been a champion. He has only held titles. He never attempted to be a champion. As a matter of fact he never even took on the best in any division until he fought Rigo.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:54 pm 


Old Coot

Titopa: No, Mosley thought he was ready… And Manny will oblige those who want to fight… Also, Manny outdid Floyd against Cotto too! Lest we forget, Floyd would never even fight Clottey or Margarito! And although one could say that Oscar was a bit too weak against Manny, he still definitely beat Oscar better than Floyd!!

Posted December 10, 2013 3:53 pm 


TARK

Good post Hamster.., To the expert observer, Rigondeaux is clearly more skillful than Floyd… He’s a better defender, and can give you more looks offensively. He gets hit with fewer punches thrown by similarly skilled opponents.

If they were in the same weight division I would make Rigo the favorite in any fight between them. However, nobody is going to make Rigondeaux the number one P4P fighter in the world over Floyd. Floyd will go down as the GOAT unless somebody beats him. That could easily happen of course.

But it’s not what is true—it’s what people believe that matters. If your employer believed you were the best candidate you got the job. Whether you were actually the best applicant or not didn’t matter.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:52 pm 


Homo Erectus

Floyd has a solid chin but the reason he hasn’t been on the canvas or knocked yet owes as much to his defensive nous and his reluctance to fight the best while they’re still in their prime as it does to the strength of his chin.

The size disparity issue is also very misleading too. Floyd’s primary asset is his speed and you rarely ever see him get caught clean, which is something that works even more to his advantage given his penchant for fighting opponents who are both bigger and much, much slower than he is most of the time. Especially since he’s moved up from lightweight and gone cherrypick crazy.

Another thing people don’t take into consideration is that the vast majority, give or take a few exceptions, of these bigger, slower carefully selected opponents he fights are also at a reach disadvantage too so obviously that works greatly in his favor too.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:51 pm 


Old Coot

Hidalgo: The “washed-up, has-been” Pacquiao would be Floyd’s best money and easiest opponent, right?… I mean seriously… Manny himself said he should be easy work for TMT, who as Floyd himself said is in the quote- “check cashing business”. And there’d be NO bigger check to cash than Manny!! RIGHT?!! But we know the deal!! LOL!!!

Posted December 10, 2013 3:49 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – So, he fights a diluted version of Mosley and looks better? I thought Manny out did Floyd when he stopped Hatton…I’ll give him that one. But NOT the Mosley fight, that fight was bogus man.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:47 pm 


Hec Dog

Last post as Anonymous is me, Hec Dog

Posted December 10, 2013 3:45 pm 


Anonymous

Regardless if they do fight, this fight is 5 years too late. The boxing world has missed out on what could have been the biggest Mega Fight ever. Manny was on a terror destroying everyone they put in font of him Floyd was also beating his opposition. And then came all the excuses from Floyd Mayweather and his camp. That group was scared to death. They were sued, lost and made to apologize. Since that time, the Mayweather camp weaved in and out of every possibility to make this fight happen. They demanded everything and forgot that Manny was the one that people paid to see, he was the draw, and if anyone was to set the demands, it was surely Manny Pacquiao. Manny was conquering boxing at that time, and Floyd was watching it. Manny Pacquiao was boxing and his name and reputation had dwarfed Floyd Mayweather. The world took notice of Manny Pacquiao. He was clearly the biggest name in boxing. Floyd is 100% at fault for this fight not happening. Yes it would be nice to see today based on their names, but this fight really means nothing except money. Great fighters should fight the best in their era. Manny Pacquiao did. Floyd Mayweather did not. Floyd is to blame.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:42 pm 


Old Coot

We all know that Floyd’s gonna a pick fellow speedy but pillow mitted boxer named Malignaggi… Just watch! LOL!!

Posted December 10, 2013 3:41 pm 


Hidalgo

“The problem is—Lara, Pacquiao, and Garcia are the toughest opponents Floyd will ever face… Floyd has to depose of them or be a ducker…”

I agree with this. Floyd needs to fight Pacquiao and get it over with. He should do that after he fights Khan. Then Garcia, if Garcia wants to move up in weight, then Lara. Or Lara then Garcia.

Personally, I think Lara will be the toughest fight Floyd could have before his contract with ShowTime runs out.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:39 pm 


Old Coot

Titopa… I wasn’t ducking the Manny VS Mosley question… I’d just forgotten you asked… But anyway… I never thought Manny should have fought Mosley either… But he did in part because he wanted to upstage Floyd, which he did, mainly because Floyd had refused to fight Manny… AGAIN!! And because Shane had just fought to a spirited draw against Mora, and wanted the fight, hoping to reestablish his PPV bona fides.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:37 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – I never asked you that and you didn’t ask me…so, again, why are you ducking the question? Why did Manny fight Mosley after Mosley lost to Floyd and had a draw with Mora? C’mon.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:32 pm 


Cyber-H@mster

SREDMOND if you look carefully at what I said it was that I believe Ringondeaux is more skillfull than Mayweather, not that he should be p4p#1. It is of course how you implement your skills that determines that. The Dirrells are more skillfull than most of the SMW division, but I`d rate neither in the top 5 because they have done nothing with the skills.

So I am not conflating professional achievements, or longevity with an assessment of a pure skill level at a single moment in time.

Pacman has spent more time as a pro than Floyd, and at times would have comparatively more titles in more weights, but that never made him more skillfull.

Rigondeaux vs Donaire may only be one fight, but noone watching it believes the result is in any way a fluke – it is entirely consistent with the manner in which Rigo has been dismantling everyone in the ring with him for a decade whether amateur or pro – and the Agbeko fight cements this with Agbeko nearly setting a compubox record for least punches ever landed in a 12 round fight when he usually goes down as one of the most active.

Donaire was a 4 weight world champion, on p4p lists and compubox shows Rigo beating him by 33%-23% in terms of punches landed in the fight.
Floyds most recent comparable fight was COtto a three weight world champion, who had already had the stuffing knocked out of him by CHeato and Pac. Mayweather won that entertaining fight with a 26%-21% advanatage.

This isn`t to put down Mayweather, I would rather watch Mayweather than Rigo, he has accomplished much more -though he has been a pro much longer, he is a clear p4p#1, and THE elite boxer of my generation. I just believe from watching him fight that at this point in time Rigo is more skillfull at “Hit and not be hit”.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:30 pm 


Old Coot

Titopa: Floyd avoided Mosley in his prime… And he ONLY chose to fight him after he’s just finished the Berto Camp… Knowing he’d have to switch gears and strategy and likely over-train… And it worked… Just like Floyd demanded Marquez put on ten pounds of muscle weight to slow him down. And just like after Cotto scared Floyd… he went right to two slow-footed opponents in a row, in Guerrero and Alvarez… Floyd is one helluva conman to those who refuse to see it.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:29 pm 


Fight Aficionado

WBC mandatory means nothing. If I’m not mistaken Floyd holds that belt at 147 but also 2 belts at 154. So he’ll let it go rather than fight Pacquiao.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:28 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – I’m still waiting for you to answer my question as to why Manny fought Mosley after two of his worse performances of his career? Explain.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:26 pm 


Old Coot

Titopa: But Manny didn’t know it Marquez would pass the tests… And I am glad he did… Besides, no one but you brought it up…

And other thing that strikes me from the Floyd Mayducker, hypocrisy meter is that it seems like you are saying it’s quite OK for Floyd to demand Manny take tests with ZERO failed tests of his own, or evidence or even a rumor of Manny cheating, but it’s NOT OK for Manny to demand them from Marquez after he’s just hired Heredia, who is a convicted cheater in his camp? REALLY DUDE?!!

Posted December 10, 2013 3:25 pm 


TARK

Floyd is the GOAT right now… The problem is—Lara, Pacquiao, and Garcia are the toughest opponents Floyd will ever face… Floyd has to depose of them or be a ducker… Those 3 are tough mothers for a guy who will be 37 and 38 when he deals with them … When Ali was 36 he had a choice to make.

“Do I fight Larry Holmes or Leon Spinks???” … You know who he picked.

When Holmes beat Norton he won the stripped title—but to the man in the street Muhammad Ali was still the Heavyweight Champion.

Floyd can count on the public’s ignorance of who his toughest opponents are. Floyd could fight Khan, Bradley, Porter, Malignaggi, or a dozen other guys.

You see…Floyd will be 37 and 38 if he does fight these 3 tough opponents. Did you see the beating Lara put on 28-year-old Austin Trout??? Ooooh baby that was cruel.. Lara didn’t give Trout a thing — not a thing.

Lara was like Rigondeaux in there — and he’s getting better with each fight.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:21 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – Floyd fought Mosley after one of his greatest wins…the destruction of Margarito, making Mosley the best 147lber on the planet at that time….So, tell me, why did Manny fight Mosley? Was it cause Mosley had just gotten beat by Floyd and looked like a senior citizen against Mora? Explain that one, please, thanks.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:20 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – So, he should’ve stood there and got hit some more? Like, what trainer would advise their fighter to “keep fighting and stick your chin out there if you’re hurt”??? really dude? really??

Posted December 10, 2013 3:19 pm 


Old Coot

Titopa… Yeah… But only after hanging onto Shane’s arm like a baby while Shane punched himself out while his aged stamina betrayed him… Mainly because Floyd only took the fight with Mosley in the first place, to avoid Pacman, and because he knew Shane would be over-trained after Berto canceled because of that terrible Haitian earthquake, because Mosley would have to shift to a back to back camp to prepare for Floyd. And as usual… Floyd’s slick con-job worked!

Posted December 10, 2013 3:18 pm 


PEEJ

And it doesnt matter because if they do fight Floyd handles him with ease.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:15 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – Manny wasn’t a straight ahead fighter in his 3rd and 4th fight with Marquez…and Marquez STILL made him look vulnerable. Did you see the angles Manny used? did you see his foot speed? how about the hand speed? It was ALL there against Marquez, and Marquez STILL gave him hell. That’s ALL a product of Marquez skill and intelligence.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:14 pm 


PEEJ

Yes he has good upper body and head movement when he fights straight forward brawlers. That stuff don’t work against boxers and counter punchers like Morales when they fought in his prime, Marquez in any of the fights and Bradley. Easy to look like a great boxer when you are so much faster than your opponent and move around.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:14 pm 


Hidalgo

Wallace said: “Initially, we had two mega stars. Now, we have one mega star, and another whose name lives on, yet his reputation remains on life support, evidenced by the abysmal 490K PPV buy rate with Rios.”

This is one misinformed, biased pundit’s opinion. Manny Pacquiao is still an international mega star. He may not shine as brightly in the U.S. as he once did, but in the worldwide theater he’s still a very big deal and his reputation is hardly on “life support.” There are any number of reasons why the PPV buy rate for his fight with Rios were low. Vivek’s opinion is not the absolute answer.

Furthermore, “mandatory” means nothing to Floyd Mayweather Jr. He’d likely sacrifice a belt before he’d commit to terms or a fight he didn’t like. So I recommend no one get their hopes up because Pacquiao has now become Mayweather’s mandatory.

Wallace also said: “Regarding where I’d like to see these men go from here, staring with the winners…”Malignaggi is a fighter I just like to see fight.”

That would be the answer of a pundit who really doesn’t know or have an answer.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:13 pm 


Titopa

Hecdog – Manny can be twice as fast and twice as strong and twice….Floyd is 10x smarter than him, and that’s why he’s going to win. Manny is twice as fast as Marquez, twice as strong and Marquez TAMED that “beast” four times on sheer boxing ability and intelligence…Floyd’s gonna make him look silly.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:12 pm 


PEEJ

That is not way he started using that excuse. He started using that excuse after Pac beat Cotto and because his dad put that in his ear. I didn’t agree with it then but now it must be done. Every Floyd opponent has to go through it and Floyd even pays for it. So there should be no reason why he won’t do it. I’ve been on record plenty of times saying I never thought Pac was on anything. But Pac declining to take the test brought issues up. Imagine if I said I wasn’t gonna take the test for my job or comply with there random testing. I wouldn’t have a job. Unfortunately Pac declined and passed up a huge payday which has now been brought down to about 25 or 30 percent of what is profited.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:12 pm 


Old Coot

Teepee… Manny is no longer just a “straight ahead” fighter… He is a straight ahead, pop, pop, pop, and back, but NOW with lots more new head and upper body movement, the usual speedy, angular attacks, then even more of the turning his opponents when they try to counter. That worked great on Marquez in bout four, until Manny got careless and Marquez got lucky!! And though it would work less on Floyd… It would still give him problems.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:11 pm 


Titopa

REM – After Floyd was rocked, TWICE and his legs turned to spaghetti…what happened? Oh yeah, he toyed with Mosley for 10 rounds.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:10 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – Marquez past the tests…so your theory that he cheated went BYE BYE! He knocked Manny out fair and square. Don’t blame PED’s for Manny thinking he’s unbeatable.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:10 pm 


REM

Floyd is as fragile as a flower. Mosley had hIm dancing reggae with shots everyone else walks through without blinking. I see Floyds fox news staff is at it again on esb.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:08 pm 


boxing barlow

Juan Guzman! what a wasted talent he was.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:08 pm 


Old Coot

Hecdog: Yep… Floyd’s patented shoulder-roll only works on slower righties… He doesn’t have it down for lefties… Particularly not powerful lefties… And as long as he doesn’t get Joe “Floyd” Cortez as ref… Manny will have a GREAT chance!

Posted December 10, 2013 3:07 pm 


Teepee

PAC don’t really box he straight forward and that’s why against a boxer he have trouble he is only good when a guy is there to slug and get hit but we seen what happen when PAC come forward with a boxer sleep and dreams

Posted December 10, 2013 3:06 pm 


Old Coot

If Cotto could make Floyd bleed… Manny will make him swell!!

Posted December 10, 2013 3:04 pm 


Old Coot

Titopa: It won’t matter WHAT Floyd does!!

Posted December 10, 2013 3:03 pm 


Hecdog

The question should be how will Floyd handle a faster, stronger opponent than himself? Southpaws have been somewhat troublesome for Floyd. Yes he’s beat them, but there have been plenty apparent weaknesses. Now you put in the best southpaw ever that has speed, power, athleticism and can anywhere. Also ask yourselves what kind of fight will Manny Pacquiao fight? Floyd may not have his way like you think. Manny can match Floyd anywhere.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:02 pm 


Old Coot

Titopa: Do you really need to ask that? But to humor what you already know… It’s because when Floyd accused Manny, he never has so much as a rumor of Manny cheating, to demand such tests… Whereas, Marquez had just hired a convicted PED cheat named Heredia… And you see what happened… He got KO’d.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:02 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – That would mean Floyd standing there like a punching bag and getting hit…ain’t happening man, NEVER, EVER EVER!! Floyd is too elusive. He’s gonna make it a lack luster fight for sure…but he’s still gonna win.

Posted December 10, 2013 3:02 pm 


SREDMOND

Marquez does have a serious chin but it’s NOT better than FMJ who has been in the ring with Oscar, Cotto and Alvarez at 154… FMJ has faced a slew of 147 pounders meanwhile JMM was on the deck against an OLD Barrera, Katsidis, PAC Man, and Mayweather…When have we seen Floyd on the deck??? Marquez is tough but Floyd has handled some serious bangers and not only remained upright but WON going away…Manny was flattened by a fellow former 126 pounder at the age of 40….He expressed his newfound caution after the Rios bout saying “he did not wanna get careless” when Rios looked unsteady, he has seen video of his massacre at Marquez hands and KNOWS it can happen again…
Mayweathers record, chin and confidence are perfectly intact…

Posted December 10, 2013 3:01 pm 


Old Coot

Titopa: Manny doesn’t have to KO Floyd… I’d rather see him to make Floyd face look like Rios’ or Margocheato!

Posted December 10, 2013 2:59 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – Funny how the commissions test was “good enough” when Floyd wanted better testing…and then when he fought Marquez for a fourth time he wanted “better testing”?? Why? Wasn’t the commissions test “good enough”?

Posted December 10, 2013 2:58 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – Manny couldn’t even stop a stationary target in Rios…he didn’t even steam roll a human punching bag, Rios was there ALL NIGHT LONG…and Manny admitted to being “hurt” by him too…I mean, do you think Floyd is like this frail guy who’s gonna fold as soon as he’s pressured? Have you seen him fight? C’mon man!! Get real, you’re sounding more and more foolish with every post.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:56 pm 


Old Coot

PEEJ: You mean FLOYD’s excuse… Funny how he ONLY used the PED angle after Manny went on PI TV with his concerns about how he thought Camp Morales arranged to have his bloodwork “lost” just days before the his loss to Morales.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:53 pm 


Old Coot

Titopa: And I’m saying it won’t matter how Floyd chooses to fight… Manny will beat him down either way… Remember… Manny can box or brawl, Floyd can only Box, and mainly if he can stay away from you and make you miss LOTS then counter you… And Floyd WILL make Manny miss and counter him lots… But with Manny’s head movement and equal or better foot and hand-speed, combos and work-rate… It simply won’t be enough for Floyd this time! Because unlike Marquez, Guerrero or Alvarez… MANNY CAN CHASE FLOYD DOWN AND POUND HIM… EASILY!!

Posted December 10, 2013 2:51 pm 


PEEJ

Whats even more funny is that during the lead up to the fight with Marquez, Roach and Pac both said that they would like random testing, Marquez agreed and said lets do it and then Roach and Pac decided not to do it.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:49 pm 


SREDMOND

Pacquiao did NOT even “run down Rios” he boxed and moved the guy is NOT gonna “pin Mayweather to the ropes and unload” the MUCH bigger and stronger Canelo could not accomplish that. My most vivid memory of a guy on the ropes was young Alvarez getting potshotted…PAC Man could NOT subdue Marquez who is not Floyd’s equal in a SINGLE category….Manny is an awesome fighter, but we have seen his best NOT good enough on more than one occasion..The 3rd Marquez bout was
PAINFULLY close, forcing the goon squad to try and sell us Compubox..:
Meanwhile Floyd treated Marquez like a rag doll…Reality is that stripped of his stopping power at 147 PAC Man has become an increasingly vulnerable boxer, he simply cannot outbox Mayweather and a KO is VERY unlikely… His best case scenario is spending the evening with his face glued to the end of the Mayweather jab…

Posted December 10, 2013 2:49 pm 


PEEJ

Old Coot bringing out one of Pacs excuses. It is obvious it does not weaken him since he took the test for the Rios fight. So that theory is out of there.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:48 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – Why say no to harmless blood testing to prove you’re clean? Why was the commissions testing good enough then but isn’t good enough now? After all, it was Manny who demanded random testing for his fourth bout with Marquez and his fight with Rios, how ironic.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:47 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – Giving blood doesn’t make you weak…that’s a PROVEN medical fact, your body will reproduce the blood “lost” within minutes….so, you can’t blame “I gave blood” as an excuse, that’s like saying “I was sweating too much and I got dehydrated during the fight”.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:46 pm 


Old Coot

Peej… Manny only had trouble in the second fight with Morales… And he felt is was due to how they conveniently lost ALL his blood-work and forced him to take more blood-tests, just days before the fight… Which he felt weakened him and led to the loss… That is also where Floyd got the idea to use Manny’s then, new-found fear of blood-tests, against him by himself demanding extra blood tests, hoping to get Manny to refuse and thus kill the fight. And it worked… So now that the bloodtest and purse-split dodge won’t fly no more, they are using the latest tactic of saying Manny is no longer deserving of the fight? LOL!!

Posted December 10, 2013 2:44 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – You guys are COUNTING on Floyd fighting like Manny’s past opponents….he WILL NOT!!! He is simply going to fight HIS way and that’s the bottom line….you guys want a reckless Floyd so that Manny’s chances of winning increase, but he WILL not be willing to take a punch if he doesn’t have to, he’s going to “hit and not get hit” ALL.NIGHT.LONG!!!

Posted December 10, 2013 2:41 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – See, I’m NOT denying that Floyd will NOT want to get hit…we ALL know that, he is NOT and will NEVER be willing to take one to land two, NEVER, EVER, EVER!! Which takes me back to my original point, he will BOX Manny and WILL NOT engage in a fire fight like Marquez will, Floyd is too patient and too smart to get caught up in fight that favors his opponents…call it “running” call it “scared”, call it what you want, the man ALWAYS wins.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:39 pm 


PEEJ

Floyd would take on King Kong if he could get down to 154.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:39 pm 


PEEJ

Fact is Pac has avoid every decent boxer. Floyd takes all comers.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:37 pm 


Old Coot

Titopa… That’s because Marquez has heart and an iron chin… He is willing to take three to give one… FLOYD IS NEVER willing to!! And Marquez is actually taller than Pacman… Not to mention Manny knocked Marquez down in all four and won fights 2 and 3 of the four by Compubox stats… Marquez only knocked Manny down after hiring a convicted steroid cheater as his conditioning coach. So you haters just want to pretend Marquez won all four… And FYI, Manny was dominating Marquez in the last fight, more than the other three combined, even in round 6 where he got KO’d, by that lucky shot.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:37 pm 


Titopa

PEEJ – Hence the: “If Floyd had fought Marquez the way Manny did, he would’ve gotten knocked out too”….I mean, think about that comment, it clearly makes ZERO sense, so, Floyd “should” fight like Manny so he can get knocked out, in other words, Floyd’s better than Manny and has to fight recklessly so he can lose.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:36 pm 


PEEJ

You guys are so dumb. I’ve been posting here since 2000-01. It’s clear you all have no boxing knowledge.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:35 pm 


Titopa

PEEJ – These “Pacquiao fans” are forgetting the Marquez fights even happened…they want to erase those fights from their memories cause they know that Floyd is TWICE the boxer Marquez is, he’s bigger, stronger, faster, smarter, a better counter-puncher and simply MUCH better than Marquez, and Marquez is an excellent boxer….they will forever claim Marquez “never gave Manny trouble, it was Manny who made it hard”.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:33 pm 


PEEJ

Why did Pac have so much trouble with Morales in the first fight? Because he can’t handle boxers very well. This is why he ducked Joan Guzman.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:31 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – Manny couldn’t steam roll an older, slower and smaller fighter in Marquez…and you think he could do that to Floyd? LMAO!!!

Posted December 10, 2013 2:31 pm 


PEEJ

Hecdog how did the Marquez vs Pac fight end exactly?

Posted December 10, 2013 2:30 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – Why couldn’t Manny do that to Marquez? He’s much smaller, slower on his feet and easier to hit…yet Manny was tamed, FOUR times. Explain that.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:30 pm 


PEEJ

Floyd doesn’t really use the shoulder roll too much against lefties. He keeps both hands up. And Floyd also uses a good jab, fights well on the inside, is stronger than Pac so will be able to tie him up. And he will box Pac, he is not gonna sit there and trade.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:29 pm 


Old Coot

Titopa… Floyd will TRY to box Manny… But Manny will run Floyd down and drive him to the ropes like Cotto and Hatton did… And even Ortiz too… Only MUCH WORSE!!
And the other difference is that unlike those three, Manny won’t be as effected by Floyd’s shoulder-roll tactic, because he can kill you with both fists. So while Floyd is shoulder-rolling Manny’s rights, Manny will kill Floyd’s jaw and liver with his left!! LOL!!

Posted December 10, 2013 2:28 pm 


PEEJ

Hecdog. Whatever, doesn’t change the fact Floyd will beat Manny same way I beat my man.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:27 pm 


Titopa

Hecdog – Floyd WILL not make stand and trade…he’s going to pot shot, counter-puncher and most likely win a one-sided clinic, Manny won’t find him, Floyd is FAR more elusive than Marquez and he’s by far the greatest counter-puncher of the last 10 years, if Manny can’t solve the Marquez puzzle of counter-punching, he’s going to lose his mind trying to find Floyd.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:25 pm 


Titopa

Hecdog – Floyd will BOX Manny, he will NOT fight Manny….and that’s the honest truth. You guys think Floyd will STAND there and get hit like Rios did, why didn’t Manny look great against Bradley? Cause Bradley is a mover and a boxer, why didn’t Manny look great against Marquez? Cause Marquez is a mover and boxer…you HAVE to be honest and understand that Manny has NOT looked good against guys who can truly box, not guys who FIGHT, he looks great against guys like that. But EVERYONE knows when he’s in there with someone who can REALLY box, he does NOT look good.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:23 pm 


Hecdog

Cotto

Posted December 10, 2013 2:21 pm 


Hecdog

PEEJ, and how did the cottoe vs Pacquiao fight end exactly?

Posted December 10, 2013 2:20 pm 


Old Coot

Peej: Cotto looked good for like TWO rounds against Pac. If that!! LOL!!

Posted December 10, 2013 2:20 pm 


Hecdog

Titopa my friend, Floyd is not faster and stronger than Manny Pacquiao. Marquez fought both and he admitted that Manny had those edges. Once again, I’ll go back and say that on a one fight basis, I find it very difficult for anyone to beat Manny Pacquiao. His fighting style is very unorthodox, and he surprises everyone he fights. His speed, feints and southpaw unorthodox style give people fits. He would do the same to Floyd. Floyd would have to deal with someone with the same speed or faster. Floyd’s counter punching would be thrown off. Manny beats him IMHO.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:20 pm 


PEEJ

Old Coot Cotto gave Pac fits also and in doing so he busted his ear drum, he only bloodied Floyds nose. I bloody my nose by picking. So it is not hard to do. Now Marquez on the other hand is a different story, Pac never could get a clear cut win and Floyd toyed with him for 12 rounds after a 2 year lay off. So your theory once again has holes in it. You need to come with something stronger than that. And like I said Floyd will take care of Pac if they ever decide to sign the contract. Heck they are saying now that HBO has to be apart of the fight, Pac has no contract with HBO. Why is that Old Coot? Because they don’t want the fight. Take your blinders off.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:19 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – Yeah, I beat him to the truth. What did I say that was a “lie”?

Posted December 10, 2013 2:19 pm 


Old Coot

Peej: HAAAAH!!! Damn! Titopa beat you to it!!! LOL!!!

Posted December 10, 2013 2:17 pm 


Old Coot

And Peej… I know your ass is itching to… Before you even try, don’t gimme no Marquez KO’d Manny but lost to Floyd crap either… Floyd simply avoided Marquez’ lead feet… Whereas Manny came to fight Marquez like a man! Big difference… If Floyd went toe-to-toe with Marquez like Manny does… Floyd would get KTFO by round 3!!

Posted December 10, 2013 2:16 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – Mayweather is TWICE the boxer Marquez is…and well, didn’t Marquez knock Manny out AND give him hell in all four bouts? Floyd is a MUCH better version of Marquez, Manny will get tamed once again by Floyd’s superior counter punching ability…..you think Marquez made him look bad, wait until Floyd makes him look WORSE.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:15 pm 


Hecdog

Tark my friend, Lara and Manny are definitely big threats and would beat Floyd IMO, but Danny Garcia really wouldn’t have much of a chance. Yes he’s good, great left hook, but once again, he lacks the speed or agility to beat Floyd. You have to have someone that has fast hands and feet to beat Floyd. Garcia isn’t going to out box Floyd. He has only one weapon , and that won’t be enough. Garcia has proven a lot of us wrong though, and maybe by some miracle he could pull it off, but it’s highly unlikely.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:15 pm 


Titopa

PEEJ – Pac indeed will get schooled by Floyd….if Marquez can give him trouble, Floyd will give him HELL….Floyd is a bigger, stronger, slicker, faster, smarter and simply BETTER version of Marquez. Can’t see Manny dealing with the snake like reflexes of Floyd, that counter punching that trouble Manny when he fought Marquez will be TWICE as bad against Floyd, he’s razor sharp and VERY fast.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:13 pm 


Old Coot

Peej: Manny is nearly twice the beast that Cotto is… And if Miguel could give Floyd fits… Manny will KILL EM!!… Floyd KNOWS it too… TRUST……. ME!!

Posted December 10, 2013 2:13 pm 


Old Coot

Peej: Whatever dude… Tell Floyd the easy work against the ‘washed-up, has-been’ is waiting… So quit running to cherry-pick Malignaggi or Khan! LOL!!

Posted December 10, 2013 2:07 pm 


PEEJ

Pac is no slick south paw, and I think Floyd toys with him. Not sold on Lara, I have seen to many lack luster performances for me to think he would be trouble for Floyd other than the fact that he is bigger than him. Garcia, I like him but he needs someone that will throw combos at him to be able to time and throws his shots in between like he does. I like Garcia and I will never pick against him unless he faces Floyd.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:06 pm 


Titopa

After Floyd schooled Canelo, he announced he’ll be fighting (as usual) in May of 2014, after Pacquiao beat Rios, Arum said Pac will be back in April….why didn’t Arum say “he’ll be back in May” or “we hope to make a May fight”? He conveniently ‘schedules’ him to fight ONE month before Floyd.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:06 pm 


Old Coot

blackbert: So… Manny has to be robbed twice? Once against Bradley, and another by Floyd ducking him, BECAUSE he was already robbed against Bradley? GTFOH!!… And we already know that in part because of the Bradley robbery, Floyd will insist upon robbing him on the purse and PPV, if they did fight anyhow!

Posted December 10, 2013 2:06 pm 


Titopa

Hecdog – Compliments of Bob Arum’s money!

Posted December 10, 2013 2:04 pm 


PEEJ

Tell Pac to sign the contract and then lets see what happens. But as it has been Pac has come up with plenty of excuses on why he doesn’t want to sign the contract.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:04 pm 


TARK

Nobody is suggesting Mayweather isn’t the GOAT at this moment. When you look back at fistic history—nobody has his accomplishments.

If Floyd were to retire tomorrow he probably would go down as the GOAT until somebody accomplished more than he has—because FM beat Cotto, DLH, and Canelo in his 5th weight class—a class that Floyd could never grow into size wise.

However… Floyd is face with 3 opponents tougher than he’s ever met.

looking into the future I see trouble brewing for Floyd… Erislandy Lara is looming large. Lara just clobbered Austin Trout 11 rounds to 1—without even trying.. Trout-Canelo was tightly contested.. Lara is Floyd’s most formidable opponent by far and getting better with every fight.

Floyd’s 2nd most dangerous opponent—Manny Pacquiao—is no piece of cake. Pac is another quick, slick southpaw like Lara… Quick slick southpaws with speed, power, toughness, and endurance are not Floyd’s forte. Slow, dim witted lefties like Ortiz and Guerrero gave Floyd no problems. But he’s shied far away from the crafty Pacquiao and clever Lara.

Danny Garcia is Floyd’s 3rd most formidable opponent. Young, fast, strong, tough, and durable, Danny owns a smashing left hook. He stopped Amir Khan is 3 rounds with no sweat. Danny’s timing is so good that Khan’s speed was no problem. His confidence is so high that a killer like Matthysse just brought a smile to Danny’s face. Everybody said Lucas was going to knock Danny out. Danny laughed, “I want Matthysse. Bombers or speedsters??? It makes no difference to me because I can fight.”

After Sugar Ray Leonard beat Marvin Hagler—Michael Nunn, Mike McCallum, and Julian Jackson were Ray’s top 3 contenders… Leonard is no fool. He looked around for more beatable opponents…

Everybody is asking—will Floyd pull a Leonard—or will Floyd fight????

Posted December 10, 2013 2:04 pm 


PEEJ

Old Coot here is my reply, Pac 490 thousand PPV against Rios, Floyd had a mil plus against Guerrero. Rios has a much larger fan base then Guerrero. So your point has been proven incorrect. And Manny didn’t lose 3 he only lost 2. So if that is what you call a PPV success then he succeeded for you. But the fact is they lost money because they needed to get 750 or close to that to make money.

Posted December 10, 2013 2:03 pm 


Old Coot

PeeJ: I’ll put it this way… Manny could lose 3 in a row and still be a PPV draw… Floyd’s boring ass loses twice and he’s finished!! Floyd know it too… That’s why he keeps ducking Manny!!

Posted December 10, 2013 1:57 pm 


Old Coot

B Red: Thanks… But only because I’m learning from you!

Posted December 10, 2013 1:55 pm 


PEEJ

Old Coot also, Floyd tried to fight Cotto but Arum said he was not ready for Floyd yet, he called out Mosley and Oscar and tried to fight them in their primes and both declined to fight him. Margacheato is a cheat so I don’t see why you or any other Floyd hater brings him up to say he was ducked, Williams was overrated and couldn’t stay in one weight class long enough. But also he didn’t bring in the money and Floyd is looking for the opponents that bring in the money. And Pac has declined the fight in every negotiation by saying he was scared of needled, superstitious, gets weakend, has a cut that wont heal in time but fights a month earlier than it would of been if he would of signed with Floyd, wont take anything less than 50/50 when Floyd brings in more money, and of course the famous, there needs to be a stadium built. Old Coot you need to take your blinders off and stop hating.

Posted December 10, 2013 1:54 pm 


PEEJ

Old Coot like I told you, Manny has been losing fans since his fight with Mosley. Hasn’t sold over a million since Margacheato, and only sold 490 PPVs against Rios. And once again watch him win or watch him lose they still tune and and pay for the PPVs to watch Floyd. So again he is still the draw. It is called economics. Floyd brings in way more money than Pac so he is gonna get more money.

Posted December 10, 2013 1:50 pm 


B Red

Old Coot= Boxing Don

Posted December 10, 2013 1:45 pm 


blackbert

Vevek, For Pacquiao to be taken seriously about Mayweather, he must rematch Bradley immediately. With only 3 or 4 fights left, and fighting someone other than Pacquiao in May, it’s now or never. Pacqquiao/Bradley could answer a lot of queations and clear up much confusion; moreover, it would also establish a credible opponent for Mayweather next September, someone that can really fight. I predict that Bradley sends shock waves throughout the boxing world by warring with, battering, and stopping Pacquiao.

The easiest fight to pick was Shawn Porter over Devin Alexander. My grandson, who’s 7, and I were watching fights of Shawn Porter and Errol Spence Jr., and I told him that Shawn was going to steam-roll Devin. He responded, “Like Timothy Bradley?” I said just like Bradley. Shawn is about Bradley’s size and fights with the same kind of smart. super aggression, and that’s a style that Bradley has proved Alexander can’t handle. By the 4th round, Alexander was ready to quit but to his credit, he fought on like a champion.

Posted December 10, 2013 1:45 pm 


Old Coot

As the late, great Emmanuel Steward put it during the Cotto and Margarito fights-

“Manny almost fights like a (boxing) machine that’s warmed up!”

Yep… And Floyd don’t wan’t none of that machine!!

Posted December 10, 2013 1:38 pm 


Old Coot

Peej: Like I done told ya… Floyd is only a “draw” because even his fans want to see him lose! Manny is a draw because even Floyd’s fans want to see MANNY FIGHT!! LOL!!

Posted December 10, 2013 1:34 pm 


Old Coot

Hecdog: Thanks… Just too many typos though… I gotta do better.

Posted December 10, 2013 1:32 pm 


Hecdog

Titopa my friend, the WBC understands just how great Manny Pacquiao is. His ranking is justified IMHO.

Posted December 10, 2013 1:29 pm 


Hecdog

Great Post Old Coot!

Posted December 10, 2013 1:28 pm 


Fan

PAC should of had a rematch clause with Jim . I remember when Lennox Lewis cried like a girl about Rahman not wanting an immediate rematch , even threatened to sue . Pbf don’t want his face all scared up that’s why I refuse to believe this fight will happen

Posted December 10, 2013 1:28 pm 


Old Coot

Anyone who bothers to take the blinders off about Mayweather, realizes that he’s a PT Barnum-like conman with skill, more than a boxer/fighter… He’s not even a showman… Tooooo boring!!

Honestly, having watched Mayweather over the last 20 or so years… I think he hates boxing, hates how he was forced into it by birth, however along the way he realized he was blessed with enough brains and talents to manipulate his situation, into a carefully crafted bank account, record and legacy, of more hype than substance.

And particularly since being forced by biology to move to welter weight, Mayweather has done so by always avoiding any REAL threats… I.E., he ducked prime, undefeated versions of Cotto, Margarito, and Williams, prime versions of Mosley, and ANY version of Pacquiao! TO THIS VERY DAY!!!

Indeed, In my opinion, Mayweather only fought prime Judah due to his so-so power, and his discipline and stamina issues, and he only fought a then undefeated Hatton because Ricky is smaller brawler, and because Floyd, is a bit of a racist, and couldn’t bear the inside ridicule of being perceived as ducking a white challenger… Otherwise Mayweather has always picked good fighters with some kind of Taylor-made handicap… Either- age, (Mosley), discipline (Ortiz), or feet of clay, such as Marquez, Guerrero, or Alvarez… The only real bright spots being Hatton who surprised Floyd, but he had referee Joe Cortez Cotto, who Mayweather actually underestimated and was rather surprised by… Which prompted him to immediately return to aforementioned, lead-footed opponents like Guerrero and Alvarez…

And now that the stars have again aligned for Floyd to fight Manny for the BIGGEST money event in combat sports history, sudden uncle Roger Mayweather, is demanding ridiculous conditions, such as “Pacquiao would have to KO Bradley to get a chance to fight his nephew.” WTF?!! I mean seriously Roger?!… That demand has DUCK plastered all over it!!

So mark my words… Yet again, instead of Pacquiao, Mayweather will now likely choose Mallignaggi of Khan to fight in May, 2014!!

But hey, If some boxing fans are dumb enough to fall for it, why not? Floyd was forced

Posted December 10, 2013 1:25 pm 


PEEJ

Floyds PPV sells are a big reason why he gets bigger paydays over anybody he faces. Because he is the one bringing in the money. That is a huge factor especially at the negotiating table. And since money was a big reason why this fight didn’t get signed then it is a major factor. I will agree with you, Floyd has fans that watch him win and others that tune in to watch him lose. But the big thing here is that they purchase the PPVs and watch him. They don’t do the same to Pac. So that is a big thing and like I said since the last few negotiations have crumbled because of money, this just proves why Floyd is gonna get the bigger piece. Now he is gonna dang near take the whole piece and leave Pac with 25 to 30 percent of the cut. That may not even equal the 40 mil that was offered to him. And yes I am a fan, but I am a fan of boxing first. I have done nothing but give facts while others give theories.

Posted December 10, 2013 1:14 pm 


Anonymous

This article is silly, Mayweather doesn’t fight anyone who can beat him.

Posted December 10, 2013 1:01 pm 


Titopa

How is Manny even ranked as the #1 contender? He was knocked out by Marquez and then he fought an UN-RANKED 140lb fighter at 147lbs? Can someone shed some light on that for me. thanks.

Posted December 10, 2013 12:56 pm 


SREDMOND

How is Manny a “Great fighter” yet Floyd is not when for all intensive purposes they have many of the same foes ONLY Floyd never let one beat him??? We agree on Mannys Greatness and the man who will go down as his “Joe Frazier”
Is Juan Manuel Marquez a boxer that Floyd Mayweather beat like a stepchild in order to shake off 21 months of Ring Rust…Erik Morales, Barrera and the lower weight guys could not win a round off Floyd Mayweather, I hope FMJ and Manny do fight that said part of PAC Mans Greatness is built on boxers that FMJ defeated first Hatton, Oscar, Mosley all were in better stead when FMJ defeated them…Cotto was in a division where he had never lost and Mayweather came up in weight, Manny NEVER got a Clear win off Marquez ONLY. A VERY CLEAR KO loss whereas Floyd blanked him…
Both are ATG’s and I hope they meet up that said Mayweather does NOT need Manny on a single front he is a Champ in 2 weight classes, Manny NONE, his last PPV DID 2.2
Mill setting records, PAC Mans BOMBED doing 500k….Mayweathers
Last opponent Unified Champ at 154 Undefeated, Pacs last opponent Brandon Rios coming STRAIGHT off a loss, coming up in weight and having no credentials
At 147…. FACTS

Posted December 10, 2013 12:47 pm 


Whocares

Vivek, PEEJ and SREDMOND, all Maywheather PR agents! You guys think more about PPV shares than the fight game itself! The only reason people pay to watch Floyd is because they want to see him lose. He is not loved, he is disliked, great boxer, but just another great champion; the only distinction is his “0″ and the fact that cons everybody make a lot of money….his fights ain’t worth it,,

Posted December 10, 2013 12:46 pm 


Tudor

SREDMOND , you have a point. But how about (I’m tring my luck, or better Lara’s) Lara coming to welter?

Posted December 10, 2013 12:45 pm 


PEEJ

Floyd does not need Pac. That is ridiculous. And a 70/ 30 split is the best Pac is gonna get because the simple fact is if it goes to purse bid it is split 75/25 or 70/30 to the belt holder. And in this case Floyd holds the bogus WBC title.

Posted December 10, 2013 12:43 pm 


PEEJ

I remember Floyd was in a close fight with Castillo that could of gone either way and he got the nod. I also remember him giving an immediate rematch and clearly winning the 2nd fight. And Floyd wasn’t installed as the number once contender when he came back. He actually for Marquez and Mosley. His next fight was for the WBC title. And I’ve said it numerous times, I had Bradley losing but with Pac only fighting for 30 seconds a round the judges didn’t give him the fight. I thought he clearly lost the 3rd Marquez fight so either way you put it he was 1 and 2 in those 3 fights. Getting installed as the number one contender against an opponent coming off a loss and not ever fighting at 147 is ridiculous. But they did the same thing when he fought a non ranked fighter in Margacheato and then gave Pac a belt for that. Yeah Tarver beat Jones when he was no longer in his prime. That is pretty much the only thing Tarver has done.

Posted December 10, 2013 12:41 pm 


SREDMOND

Tudor, I don’t have some massive complaint because the proof if Floyd’s will ones to face BIGGER men is borne out in his being a 5 weight Champion.. He is NOT a true 154 pounder, he has done 3 bouts there in 17 years NEVER once hitting 154 on fight night… The bouts he fought in that division are ALL the BIGGEST of his career Cotto 1.5 mill, Oscar 2.5 mill and Canelo 2.2 mill, the inducement to fight that much out of his comfort zone spotting guys minimum 12-15 pounds has been the magnitude of the event… Floyd’s gonna fight at 147 because that’s where he physically belongs at best… Kirkland hit the ring at 168 fight night these are the guys that an aging boxer is supposed to spot 15 or 18 pounds on a regular basis? Meanwhile all these young fighters are staying where they are physically on par or advantages at the division ie Canelo, GGG and others…
The bar will always be raised and a new name will always appear, Floyd’s at the end of his career and big fights are the order of the day you can forget a guy with very little name on the B side especially at 154 pounds..

Posted December 10, 2013 12:36 pm 


boxing barlow

Would it be acceptable for Floyd to be able to say that he never fought Pacman as Pac wouldnt accept a 70/30 split? This is what Vivek seems to suggest. I say no way.

Posted December 10, 2013 12:33 pm 


boxing barlow

dress it up however you want, but Mayweather still needs Manny., and he needs him more than Manny needs Floyd IMO. Manny’s legacy is probably set in stone. He is an all time great fighter, but he’s never going to actually be considered to be the greatest. He’s been beat, and beat a fair few times. History will look upon him kindly and he will jion the ranks of great fighters. But when we are talking the likes of who is actually the greatest. When names like Ali and Leanord are mentioned, Manny’s wont be. My point is will Mayweather’s be mentioned though? Now at the minute I’d say no, not quite. But the only reason is that the stand out fighter of Mayweatehrs generation after him is Pacman! No if or buts. So if Mayweather never fights him how can he be mentioned as the greatest ever when he didnt even fight the number 2 of his generation?

Posted December 10, 2013 12:30 pm 


pts

No argument there.

Posted December 10, 2013 12:24 pm 


pts

He may have retired as any champ but the fact is, he never worked his way up….he was installed into the position because of economics for everyone, NOT because he earned it and that’s the distinction.

Posted December 10, 2013 12:23 pm 


Tudor

pts, lets not foget Froch lost to Dirrel and it could be said he would have lost to Groves

Posted December 10, 2013 12:23 pm 


pts

I think most of the planet knows Bradley lost to Pac. In fact, Bradley is the only fighter with no losses on his record who’s actually lost twice. Also, KO’s will happen when fighters actually challenge themselves….or did you conveniently forget about Roy Jones jr. among others? No excuses now, ok. People outside of Floyd fans don’t have short term memories. They all remember when Castillo beat Floyd and they also know boxing politics saved his precious “0.”

Posted December 10, 2013 12:20 pm 


Tudor

If Viviek doesnt’t care to answer please anyone, lets put on “paper” the fights Floyd had against pound for pound rated fighters at the time they fought him and see what we get. I mentioned Canelo – I think he was no 7 or so. Fine. Another one?

Posted December 10, 2013 12:17 pm 


PEEJ

PTS the fights can’t be made because they are with Top Rank. People have already acknowledged the fact that Bradley is the most deserving fighter to get a Floyd fight. More deserving of Khan and most definitely more deserving of Pac. But like I said he is with Top Rank and he will not get a Floyd fight till his contract is up. Difference between Floyd and Pac is Pac lost 2 fights in a row and the 2nd fight he was put to sleep. Floyd has yet to lose. And that is why he was placed in that position. Floyd retired as the Lineal Champion at 147, then came back.

Posted December 10, 2013 12:14 pm 


big moe

@whocares….is this the reason why 2 days after the rios fight arum was announcing Pacs return on April 12th against yet another top rank fighter? Pac is not oblivious to the riff going on between floyd and arum. Hes going right along with the program. If pac is serious fighting someone big, tell him to tell Arum to make a fight another big name welterweight NOT named floyd. Like Pac can fight Broner, Judah, Berto, Ortiz. And lets see if arum will come back with the same excuse about the network fued. Get a clue man.

And answer this genius? WHY DID PAC SIGN AN EXTENTION WITH ARUM WHEN HE COULD HAVE LEFT AND DID HIS OWN THING?

Posted December 10, 2013 12:14 pm 


PEEJ

Floyd sold over a mil of PPVs against Guerrero. This has been said by Espinoza. Rios has a bigger fan base than Guerrero yet couldn’t come close to the sales that Floyd produced.

Posted December 10, 2013 12:11 pm 


pts

Are some of us forgetting that Floyd was installed multiple times as a mandatory when he did not in fact earn it?? He retired for two years and guess what………was automatically put into the number one position. That said, it’s petty and trivial to complain about Pac as mandatory. Fans should tear Floyd a new A hole for even thinking about fighting Khan. Between Pac and Khan, I think Pac is a far more formidable opponent to Floyd. Now, Bradley has been at 147 for quite some time….why has Floyd ignorned him? In fact, Floyd preferred the easy win and belt against guerrero than to face Bradley. To add to Floyds problems….. Thurman, Porter and others are battle tested and a much better measuring stick of greatness than sad excuse Khan. If Floyd really does not want to fight Pac, fine ( wonder why though)…but fight a live dog….not just someone who comes for a check, just like Floyd does. If he doesnt want to go up in weight, fine. If he doesnt want to face better opposition than Khan…fine, so just retire.!!

Posted December 10, 2013 12:11 pm 


Prince

Of course Vivek would never address the real questions I pose to him.
Just come out and say these words,”YES! I AM A FANBOY OF FLOYD AND NOT
A REAL REPORTER”, and all ur sins will be forgiven. Hahaha.
I bet he thinks Ortiz, Guerrero and Canelo were more deserving and real threats
To his manz moreso than Pac.

Posted December 10, 2013 12:10 pm 


Tudor

SREDMOND, I mentioned that Lara’s lack of sustained intensity troughout an entire fight (ofense and defense wise) bothers me. I also expressed my disregard of stepping up in weight as an indicator of pfp status. That being said, I can say in all honesty that my apreciation of Lara’s chances against Floyd is anything but newborn. And how could you complain about people wanting Floyd to face biggers fighters when, Floyd just fought Canelo, one of the heaviest lightwelters around?! I could bet that someone with bring this aspect at one point.

Posted December 10, 2013 12:09 pm 


pts

Vivek, vivek, vivekcito……since when do reputations depend on ppv sales? Do tell. Pac’s abysmal numbers with Rios ONLY represents the fact he fought an opponent that perhaps most who buy ppv’s were not terribly excited to see, for ex., Floyd’s fight with Guerrero which sold a paltry what, 870k. That looks very bad for Floyd but that does not reflect in any way Floyd’s reputation. While I’m not crazy about Floyd, he is still very much the top fighter currently, albeit, smoke and mirrors, but still, he is top dog at this point. Rios was not the best opponent for Pac but then, Pac made Rios appear to be out of his league after Rios blasted through the 140lb division. However, Rios can still fight at 147 if he wanted. If Floyd was serious about fighting the best fighters available and building a reputable legacy, he would not entertain thoughts of fighting Khan. What has Khan accomplished….AND….what has Khan done for us LATELY besides fight in the 140lb division….you know….just .like RIOS?? I don’t think ppv sales are an accurate indication of any boxer’s reputation. Conversely, a boxers reputation is definitely dependent on the type of opponents they face which is why anyone who has been keeping score knows that cherry picking may help make you rich, and it definitely helps maintain an undefeated record but, it does NOT enhance a boxers reputation any more than what it is perceived to be. If anyone has chinks in their reputation at this point in time, it definitely is not Pac.

Posted December 10, 2013 12:02 pm 


PEEJ

I have seen Lara struggle against sub par comp. Should of lost against Molina, drew with Martyson or how ever you spell his name. Just not sold on him. Don’t think he would come close to beating Floyd. He has to beat the better comp of 154 before even being considered a Floyd opponent which I don’t think he can.

Posted December 10, 2013 12:00 pm 


PEEJ

First off no way should Pac be in any mandatory position. But since he is we can talk about the fight. Now once again he has no contract with HBO so if they say HBO needs to be in it, then it is a way of killing the fight. Lets say they start negotiating but can’t come to terms. It goes to purse bid. I believe in a purse bid situation the challenger only gets like 25 or 30 percent. So this brings the cut to 75/25 or 75/30. Which is what most people have been saying Pac should receive anyways. I think it is funny how this all comes around full circle. If he would of taken the fight back in 2010 he would of made more money and if he would of taken the 40 mil he would of made more money than he will make if this goes to purse bid.

Posted December 10, 2013 11:55 am 


SREDMOND

AGAIN Floyd’s about to be 37 and guys are STILL dreaming about the bigger boxer who can take him out… Lara is a sweet boxer, yet he has his gaps the man was getting gunned down by the SLOW and CRUDE Angulo… When have we seen a fighter of that caliber bouncing Mayweather off the canvas? Lara can fight and he’s a problem but he’s just the latest in a LONG line of names that was supposed to be the FMJ antidote, we heard this about Canelo too and who did Canelo beat to get in position?? Austin Trout who is generating this newfound Lara buzz… Who did Trout beat at 154 to gt the Canelo fight? Miguel Cotto who Floyd Mayweather beat the fight before… ALL Roads lead to Floyd Mayweather until he retires or loses in his late 30′s for the first time… Tommy Hearns was getting KOED by Iran Barkley at 29…. Holla!

Posted December 10, 2013 11:54 am 


SREDMOND

REM, “Going Undefeated” is NOT always a product of matchmaking at the top of the sport or we would have MORE than 2 Undefeated Elite fighters… Klitschko lost matches that EVERYONE thought were easily winnable, Martinez lost to Margarito, Donaire had an early career loss, Pacquaio got stopped by WHO 2x before JMM, Marquez did, and so on… The reason guys wanna attack the “0″ of a Floyd Mayweather is because it simply does not happen often at his level and NO ONE did it garnering Lineal Championships at 4 weights… We saw Deven Alexander “carefully matched” against a liver than expected dog and he lost… Donaire was fighter of the year and got boxed senseless against an amateur star who’s best win was Rico Ramos…Lennox Lewis got drilled by Hasim Rahman and Tyson by Douglas… The ability to be a World Champion deep into your 30′s with the WHOLE sport gunning for you is special, Mayweather does NOT even have crushing power yet keeps his opponents in check and has avoided the “Off Night” or Manny Pacquiao lapse that gets 99.9% of fighters

Posted December 10, 2013 11:47 am 


Tudor

Vivek , sorry for the Tito joke. I visited though the Ring’s ratings but they dont.t have a time list for those ratings. So please tell me, apart for Canelo, did Floyd actualy fight a pound for pounder (at the time being)?

Posted December 10, 2013 11:39 am 


Whocares

Vivek is on Mayweather’s pay role, no doubt; he is Floyd’s PR agent on this website. Vivek is biased on Pac, he always tries to put him down. Dude, this guy is a phenomenon and a world-wide superstar, and not just a Las Vegas showman. Let’s have the fight of the best and quickest offensive fighter against the best and quickest defensive fighter. However, it will probably not happen, because Floyd is afraid. As he stated on a recording (can be seen on youtube), his health is more important than fighting Pacquiao. This man is afraid and his father are afraid. What Pac did to ODH and then Hatton absolutely shocked the Mayweather. IF Pac gets close to Mayweather, he will be able to hit him because he is very fast, and will hit him heard. You Mayweather fans should face reality, which means frank fear in the Mayweather camp. They really want to wait until Pac’s skills are diminshed, and then would maybe fight him. But it ain’t gonna happen after Rios…

Posted December 10, 2013 11:37 am 


Tudor

REM, I wouldn’t say Lara woud make Floyd look like a bum. Actualy I’d like to se see Lara fighting with the same intensity as against williams when facing someone with small punch output (like Canelo) to be completely convinced he woud beat Mayweather and even then I woudn’t think Lara could embarass Floyd.

Posted December 10, 2013 11:31 am 


Vivek

Again, i hear the points being made, but there’s no way we can truly legitimize placing Rigo over FMW at this point. It’s far too early. Relative to skills, there are still certain things I’ve seen Mayweather do that i haven’t with him. But his ring generalship and ability to control the action is one element of his game i think that does parallel FMW, even at this early stage. That’s where my comparisons stop though. Floyd can just do so much more. Rigo could still potentially evolve to that level though.

Posted December 10, 2013 11:26 am 


Tudor

I think the number of weight classes is irrelevant for the pound for pound assessment of a fighter being that weight in itself is a non issue when evaluating someone’s pfp status. If how big a fighter is means nothing how could how big a fighter can get coud mean anything?

Posted December 10, 2013 11:19 am 


REM

I don’t think Rigo had to go undefeated in history that’s always a product of careful matchmaking. If he can get the better the best at 26 and 30 at his size that will be enough to legitimize him.

Posted December 10, 2013 11:17 am 


Vivek

Fellas, i’ve read some of your post and I would actually concur. The two gold medals gives Rigo VERY SOLID GROUND to stand on in the debate between he and Mayweather. But my only major question is that he simply hasn’t done it long enough. Sugar Ray Leonard was an amazing fighter. But he was washed up by age 32, 33. Duran, Tyson, and Jones were great, but they were washed up by roughly the same age. When you look at master class boxers who are able to do it at the top of their game, they all took great care of themselves both outside the ring and inside of it. So that longevity helped them cement their names as true legends. Rigo has all the tools, and with continued dominance, he would ABSOLUTELY have a place at the table in that argument. Right now, he simply hasn’t shown it against enough opponents, and yes, that does impact my response. I can’t just overlook the dominance FMW has had for 16yrs or so for a guy dominating now. When Rigo is done, if he is able to sustain this effort for at least a decade and remain undefeated after facing the best, I’ll say that you can compare the two. Right now, BY HIS OWN ADMISSION, Mayweather is the better overall fighter, and i can live with that. I think if you guys wanna be honest, you can tool. Great responses, though. Thanks for chiming in.

Posted December 10, 2013 11:08 am 


REM

I have to agree with y’all about Floyd and Rigo the gifts skillwise are odvious but Rigos very little and seems reluctant to move up to 26 where the money fights are. Word is he’s chinny and he’s gonna have to go beat dudes in bigger classes to build a legacy and make money.

Posted December 10, 2013 11:06 am 


SREDMOND

Why in the hell would Wallace see Rigo as “better than Floyd Mayweather” ?????? Mayweather has WAY more accomplishments and consistency at the professional level than Rigondeaux..Mayweathers skills have kept him unbeaten over 17 years, 20 World Title Fights, 5 weight classes and 4 Lineals…. Meanwhile we have 12 Pro fights to deduce Rigos quality and staying power… He looks amazing and the win over Donaire was stellar that said it’s NOT even a valid comparison… He cannot even be fairly stacked against Andre Ward, if these new fighters are really gonna be future legends then time is their friend and they will prove the matter in the ring as opposed to everyone’s VIVID imaginations…

Posted December 10, 2013 10:56 am 


Anonymous

here we go again.

Posted December 10, 2013 10:56 am 


Haimat

is anybody surprised that Vivek thinks that Mayweather is better at every aspect of the game than Rigo?

Vivek just figured out that the two slick boxers have different styles.

Posted December 10, 2013 10:49 am 


REM

he might buy me ice cream…

Posted December 10, 2013 10:36 am 


REM

Lara would make easy work of Floyd. Floyds scared of little athletic southpaw Pac Lara a big athletic A level southpaw makes Floyd look like a bum.

Posted December 10, 2013 10:35 am 


REM

Please Pac let Floyd keep 150mil me might by me an ice cream and I like ice cream lmao. GTFOH dream on groupies.

Posted December 10, 2013 10:33 am 


Tudor

I actualy think that it is Lara who stands the best chance of defeating Mayweather. In the Judah fight it was only Judah’s lak of mental fitness (I wouldnt be surprised to find out that he suffers from attention deficit disorder) that prevented him to win, but the fight demonstrated that Mayweather can be beaten to the punch, and Lara’s punch is bigger.

Posted December 10, 2013 10:26 am 


Teepee

PAC was a sucker for arum and now he is a fool grown lolly pop arum is going to leave PAC broke. Think back arum said it long ago if PAC leave he will be broke and look tax problems didn’t take 40mil please PAC stop being a stupid fk and get ur last payday.

Posted December 10, 2013 10:21 am 


Prince

Speaking of Andre Ward, I thought this was a business? I thought this was the great USA the home of capitalism? S.O.G is a damn good fighter but the simple fact is that he has NO fanbase. He is actually overpaid rt now if we are to base fighter paychecks on number of tickets sold. If one is to be paid by performance then Rigo shd be multi, Klitschko bros shd be billionaires, even Ivan Calderon during his reign. But guess what? Canelo fought nobody b4 Trout and was/is a draw, Chavez Jr is a bonafide draw, Miguel Cotto? Same, regardless of the ups and downs. Put asses in seats and get paid as due. 50 cent was never close to being as good as Nas or Jadakiss but we all know who became that ‘draw’ and made aaaallll that paper.

Posted December 10, 2013 10:19 am 


Teepee

Arum and PAC already starting with bs talking bout the network now it has went from drug test to scared of needles to the money to the place the month the weight all this excuses top rank has came up with but Floyd offered 40mil to PAC and he didn’t take it Floyd has reach out to PAC to make it happen answer this why it’s not this hard when Floyd fight bigger guys to make a fight happen only when PAC or arum it is hard sound like bs to me

Posted December 10, 2013 10:14 am 


Teepee

Ppl that day Floyd is scared just don’t like him bob arum and PAC weak azz is the reason Floyd has fought guys that r bigger and stronger than PAC so why would he b scared stop hating on Floyd give him props

Posted December 10, 2013 10:08 am 


boxing barlow

Vivek – I usually agree with your view pal, but on the whole Mayweather v Pacman issue I feel you are a bit blinkered. You state that Manny has only own one fight since 2010. This to the non educated fight fan gives an impression of a failing fighter. The reality is however he was robbed quite badly by the judges in the Bradley fight. This fight is not even up for discussion as far as no one other than the awful judges that night felt Bradley won. Manny won the fight, and that achievement looks all the better when you see how Bradley was able to go on and dominate Marquez in their fight and ergo gives you concrete proof of the level that Bradley is fighting at. The loss to Marquez was a bad KO. But this wasn’t a fight where Marquez beat Manny down every round before finishing him off. In fact for the first time it was Manny who was standing out as the out right better fighter and looked as though he was going to finally do enough to put some distance between him and Marquez. What happened shocked most, and all credit to Marquez. But it took him 4 fights to find that punch and Manny has still beat Marquez on more occasions than he has lost.

Posted December 10, 2013 9:54 am 


Urone2

One more thing for all of you guys that think Mayweather is scared, there was an article in sport illustrated where Mayweather met with Pacquiao manager to try and get the fight made. He still couldn’t get it to happen. I’m still waiting on the story where Pacquiao contacts Mayweather or his team to get this fight made. Instead these media call outs for Mayweather to contact them for the fight to be made. You guys ever here of smoke and mirrors.

Posted December 10, 2013 9:53 am 


Urone2

Prince,

You say all of that coming yourself from the direction of supporting Pacquiao. I will repeat this time and time again in support of Mayweather. During the first negotiations Mayweather gave into all demands asking for only RBT. Pacquioa turned those terms down, IMO the fight should have been made then, instead of making a big deal out of the one issue that Mayweather wanted in the entire contract. Then there is the fact that Arum has a history of protecting his cash cows buy keeping them away from fighters he believes can possibly beat them.

Posted December 10, 2013 9:41 am 


Prince

@Jackholder Shoutout to u. I mean let us fans show our bias and moan and cry all we want, dats y
We are called fans. But as a so called member of the media, I believe being objective and asking tough questions of performers is key. The whole world wanted and still want Mayweather vs Pac but instead of putting pressure on BOTH camps to make it a reality, guys like Vivek rather sit there and give reasons why Mayweather won’t or shouldn’t make the fight. While Vivek writes and alludes to the non-fact that Pac was/is on PEDs, there has been real speculation that May actually may have failed about 3 drug tests, has Vivek dared to ask any real questions about this or investigate this?
The media used to stand for something in earlier times, now they just wanna be friends and get fight credentials and signed sneakers.

Posted December 10, 2013 9:26 am 


Urone2

Cyber-Hamster=not a true boxing fan.

Posted December 10, 2013 9:21 am 


not a floydiot

Floyd should fight Pacquiao to silence those pactards. the fact is money is huge by doing it.

Posted December 10, 2013 9:19 am 


Swedish Boxing Fan

Well Floyd Mayweather Jr can’t run now.Sure he can vacate the WBC title belt BUT he will be decleared as a runner and that will hurt him more then ever. Just make the fight happen so it will be done once and for all.

Posted December 10, 2013 8:53 am 


focker

Floyd would rather vacate the WBC Welterweight belt than fight Pacquiao. But that will unmask Floyd that he was really scared Pacquiao and brand him a coward for the rest of his boxing career.

Posted December 10, 2013 8:49 am 


Jackholer

Prince- You are spot-on about Vivek!

Posted December 10, 2013 8:34 am 


te tumbo

Rigo may develop into a great fighter but defeating Donaire doesn’t result in any such official status. Unifying at 126lbs and dominating between 130lbs-135lbs for a couple of years would. He gets ZERO extra credit for being a graet amateur. NObody paid to watch those three and four-round fights. He needs to earn his pro accolades and dominating rthe likes of Agbeko hardly qualifies as the highlight of a truly great career .

Posted December 10, 2013 8:21 am 


big moe

Cyber hamster…i think Ward peaked too soon. The tourney held some major fighters and he beat them all. Only Lucian Bute remained but he was destroyed by froch. Moving up to 75 would be okay, but for how long? Hopkins wont fight him. Steven might step to the plate and a rematch with dawson might be good. But there hasnt been any unification bouts which kind if takes the sting out of boxing.

(To everyone else)

As far as the Mayweather thing goes, haters will continue to reach for anything to discredit him. The fact that Manny never had an exclusive contract with HBO, and Arum knows this, lets me know he never wanted the fight. And then his announcement of manny fight in april just told me all the more. Manny will be fighting top rank opponents till his contract is up.

Posted December 10, 2013 8:13 am 


Prince

Vivek Wallace would haVe been a respected writer in my humble opinion, the man can write.
But for the Mayweather nuthuggery he’s ok by me. Manny Pac has had only one victory since 2010?
Pls tell us what year Mosley and Marquez III took place. Vivek lookn to see aggression from Lara?
Expecting Lara to go for the kill and villifying him for cruising to the finish line?
The same thing Money May does every single fight and Vivek tells the world how great
And ultra sensational Money May is. Thank you for ur continous fanboyism bro lol.

Posted December 10, 2013 7:40 am 


SREDMOND

Sooooo beating Donaire on points makes you an ATG??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Mayweather beat Diego Corrales who was Undefeated and ranked P4P over 10 years ago via TKO and 5 KD’s…. Floyd’s lineal in 4 weight classes Rigondeaux is just getting started “Gold Medals” mean a lot when you’re and amateur..

Posted December 10, 2013 7:33 am 


SREDMOND

SREDMOND below

Posted December 10, 2013 7:30 am 


Anonymous

Rigondeaux is certainly skilled, that said Mayweather comparisons are a JOKE one guy is an ATG the other has 12 fights under his belt what a joke… Floyd Mayweather has been a multi division World Champion while Rigo was wearing headgear and fighting 3 rounders…Seriously you guys are clowns

Posted December 10, 2013 7:29 am 


Tudor

I agree with you Cyber-H@mster. How could you win 2Golds and a Worlds and beating a top 5 pfp and not be comparable with Mayweatheter (Wallace called the comparison a non topic) is beyon me.
By the way im gonna check if ANYONE of May’s opponents was listed no5pfp WHEN Mayweather fought him. If not, it means “Vito” is to Maywather what “Tito” was to Michael.

Posted December 10, 2013 6:52 am 


Auzbox

He def has more skills than mayweather he is an absolute gun. Mayweather ducking again looks to be khan!

Posted December 10, 2013 6:41 am 


Cyber-H@mster

Rigondeaux is actually more skillful than Mayweather too in my opinion, the fact he hasn`t fought so many big names is just a function of how long he has been a pro. Did Mayweather outlcass a p4p fighter in his 10th fight? Did Mayweather win Olympic gold….twice. Did Mayweather spend most of his life in a communist state?

They have had different paths, but Mayweather is not superior. He simply is not, and I`ll bet if Vivek studies the statistics he loves to use to prove Mayweather is no1, that s what he would find with Rigondeau when he compares their pro careers at championshop level.

Posted December 10, 2013 6:31 am 


Cyber-H@mster

Ward hasn`t earned the money because people don`t want tp pay to watch him fight. The S6 was a gift to him, he didn`t earn his way in by any other reason than the fact he is a septic.

SO my sympathy for him is non existent. He earned what he is worth in capitalist terms.

Posted December 10, 2013 6:27 am 



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