I wonder if Ariza has access to “snappers?”Posted December 19, 2013 7:58 pm
BTW, I just learned that in Texas, boxing falls under the jurisdiction of the Texas Combative Sports Program which is recognized by the Association of Boxing Commissions, as well as the federal government, as the legitimate authority overseeing all combative sports events in Texas.
So, wouldn’t this organization be the one doing the investigation?Posted December 19, 2013 10:51 am
Joseph, I just had an epiphany.
At the beginning of the video, Ariza has both the gauze and cotton swabs in his right hand. He is holding the gauze with his thumb and forefinger and the swabs with his other three fingers encircling them in his palm. He puts the gauze in his left hand but continues to hold the swabs. That right there partially explains why Ariza looks like he has something between his thumb and forefinger on the gauze.
Don’t see what I mean? Try this test:
Grab three or four cotton swabs yourself. Hold them in your hand like Ariza does. While holding them also hold a napkin between your thumb and forefinger as he does. Now remove the napkin with your left hand while continuing to hold the swabs. How are your forefinger and thumb positioned? Just like in the video right? –unless you intentionally spread them apart from each other.
Now, with the thumb and forefinger of your right hand positioned as they are, press the napkin into your left hand. Looks about like it does in the video doesn’t it?
Now, let’s consider that apparently invisible pill….or dental roll…or milk bone.Posted December 19, 2013 10:43 am
Or, Mike Stafford may have sharper eyes than all of us. :)Posted December 19, 2013 12:47 am
“Although I believe that the results of the investigation will be inconclusive, I feel somewhat vindicated by the decision of the Texas State Athletic Commission to look into this further.”
Joseph, your exact words at the beginning of the show as you spoke to Mike Stafford regarding this issue:
“One of the reasons why we wanted you to come on the show, you brought this to my attention. Apparently this is going viral now over the Internet: Alex Ariza, in between rounds, has something in a napkin, he shoves it in Marcos Maidana’s face and apparently he puts it in his nose or something…Can you explain that to me Mike because I attached for all our listeners, I attached a copy of the video that shows this on our press release…Mike what do you take from this?”
Joe, it seems pretty clear to me that you were reiterating what Mike told you and explained the reason why the video was going viral on the Internet, especially because you asked him to “explain that to me.” But I guess people who may not be familiar with your show or your talking and style of presentation, might mistake what you said for sensationalist BS.
Oh well. We’ll find out soon enough but I agree with you that the results of the investigation will likely be inconclusive because that video really doesn’t reveal as much as some people may want it to. What it looks like Ariza is doing, and what he really did may be two different things. Of course, he could have done exactly what he was accused of doing. But I just don’t see how anyone is going to prove it based on that video.
I tell you though, Alex Ariza seems to be involved in more than his fair share of controversy. I sure would like you to get him on your show.Posted December 19, 2013 12:40 am
It’s funny how several people scrutinized me for speaking about this entire issue without bias, and questioned my integrity as a radio commentator and a journalist.
But I told everyone that this issue merits investigation if viewed objectively.
Although I believe that the results of the investigation will be inconclusive, I feel somewhat vindicated by the decision of the Texas State Athletic Commission to look into this further.
I hope the listeners and posters who asked me to issue a written apology for merely doing my job would be big enough to send me an apology for challenging my integrity.
I am one of the few writers in this entire industry who doesn’t have an agenda that influences my writing or my commentary.Posted December 18, 2013 10:02 pm
I tell ya Joe, after watching the video numerous times, I’m not so hard on my position as I was when I talked to Mike Stafford. It’s hard to clearly tell what Ariza is doing.Posted December 18, 2013 12:41 pm
Dimelo73, ignore my last comment that was meant for the other thread in which we are having a discussion about this incident.Posted December 18, 2013 12:40 pm
“Hidalgo- Why would the cut man need Ariza’s assistance with a man who had no cuts?”
Dimelo73, do you see Ariza pointing with his finger to a spot on Maidana’s face at the beginning of the video? Why do you think he is doing that? Then the cut man applies the end swells to Maidaian’s right eyebrow.
I’m pretty sure that part of Ariza’s job is to assist the cutman.Posted December 18, 2013 12:27 pm
That’s ridiculous…in no way did we say anything slanderous or incriminating regarding Team Maidana. Mike Stafford merely presented what he thought was reason enough to open an investigation.
It was basically something that you didn’t agree with, and as a result, you’ve taken exception to this entire issue.
But Mike Stafford raised many valid points on why an investigation is valid…we’ll see if this is merely a strategy to force a rematch or if they truly expect to discover something with the investigation.
Because unless you can produce the gauze roll, I don’t see how this can be proven.Posted December 17, 2013 8:17 pm
“But if you prefer negativity and slander, then maybe you should listen to another program.”
Thanks for listening, Greaser!!
I have no horse in this race, brother. I have a very good relationship with Robert Garcia who I just featured on last Tuesday night’s program.
If you think that I am merely clamoring for the approval of these fighters and trainers, you’re dead wrong.
I give everyone who comes on the show a fair and balanced presentation. If you think that is “a$$ kissing”, well then it sounds like a personal problem in my opinion.
I do it for the good of the sport and not one fighter or trainer specifically. I don’t play favorites on the show, nor will I ever intentionally bash someone because of their respective lifestyle outside of the ring, like for example Adrien Broner.
Can you say the same thing?
The listeners and fight fans who visit the site and listen to the show deserve better than what they’ve been getting on other programs and sites across the internet.
That’s one of the reasons why we feature men like Ronnie Shields and James Gogue every Sunday…to give the real fight fans expert insight from guys who have devoted their entire lives to the sport and have been in the gym with some of the best fighters in the world.
But if you prefer negativity and slander, then maybe you should listen to another program.
Thanks for listening, Greaser!! I hope you can appreciate what we try to do every week in promoting the greatest sport in the world.Posted December 17, 2013 4:59 pm
F@ckin this show sucks-aint been on since you got prank called by the fake the teddy A and tried to cover it up-now you ass kissers have these pussies on here-sore losers, cant take it, broner got F@cked up-thats what maidana does. broner fought a way dirtier fight-holding on for dear life. broners fake ass got exposed-thats what happens when you been brought up against no bodies who you out weigh 10 to 15 pounds. stop your ass kissing you lot are a joke. broner = the new berto.Posted December 17, 2013 4:19 pm
But guys…most importantly, don’t confuse open mindedness with incrimination.
I am just presenting evidence and not making a judgment either way…it’s not my job or anyone else’s in the media to act as judge and jury when it comes to these fighters’ careers. I know a lot of internet writers have anointed themselves with this position and have adopted an irresponsible habit of trying to enforce their opinions on their respective readers…but it’s not professional and it’s not ethical, unless it’s clearly designated as an editorial and not trying to be passed off as news.
The fight fans who can’t stand Adrien Broner, which is probably most of the boxing community, will more than likely have a knee jerk reaction that I’m trying to take something away from Maidana’s victory and put a blemish on his accomplishment of defeating Broner.
One thing I haven’t done is present evidence of Ariza’s innocence…so here it goes.
Brandon Rios just tested positive for a banned substance in his last outing, just a few weeks ago. But regardless of popular sentiment, a positive test does not prove intent. It merely states that the fighter in question tested positive for a banned substance, knowingly or without knowledge.
As thankful as Ariza is for getting this opportunity to work with a really great group of guys like Team Garcia in Oxnard, do I really think he would be foolish enough to jeopardize his career in the sport by using a banned substance in his next outing with another Garcia fighter?
Giving him the benefit of the doubt, I would have to say no…but, I am merely assuming in this situation…and as most know within boxing’s past, historically many trainers and fighters have made some really bad decisions both in and out of the ring.
No one really knows…that’s why I will never incriminate anyone without absolute certainty because of what’s ultimately at stake for these guys.
Sad truth is that without a thorough investigation of what really transpired, chances are we will never know what the truth actually is.Posted December 17, 2013 4:02 pm
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Ryder!!
1) breathing smelling salts isn’t going to show up on any post fight drug test, and 2) I’m not trying to diminish or take away from Maidana’s winning performance. He had a brilliant fight plan and really was the first fighter to take it to Broner mentally and physically without showing him too much respect and it paid off. Smelling salts don’t change that aspect of the fight.
My points were that Mike Stafford’s suggestions merit consideration and shouldn’t be dismissed without investigation, which most members of the media have elected to do.
If you speak with any knowledgeable fight trainer in the industry, they would pose the exact same questions that Mike has instigated in this situation.
Do I think Ariza intentionally used smelling salts after a round in which Maidana was clearly hurt? Between rounds 11 and 12 was when the images were captured.
We have no way of knowing for sure, and I don’t think we will ever find any conclusive evidence proving this.
The only reason why I am even giving this issue serious consideration, is because 1) Mike Stafford is one of the smartest trainers in boxing and doesn’t speak publicly without reason on something of this nature, and 2) I know from speaking with a lot of trainers and cutmen that they have used this method to revitalize their respective fighters in the past. Illegal or not, it has happened in boxing many, many times before.
But Ryder, I do believe that everyone’s overwhelming opinion of the fight is inhibiting an open mind when presented with this issue. Most people have taken the position that we shouldn’t say anything about this without merit.
What constitutes merit in this situation? I think several trainers and fighters that I’ve spoken to privately have given reasonable information to justify these questions regarding this issue, and the video images warrant inquiry as well.
To not pose these questions would be irresponsible as a journalist, considering what is ultimately at stake for each of these fighters.
Like I stated in a previous post, most people don’t even realize what real journalism actually entails any longer.
But I appreciate your comments and thoughts on the matter, Ryder!!Posted December 17, 2013 3:02 pm
Thank you very much for listening and for the kind words as well!!
One thing I think people missed from Mike Stafford’s commentary on Sunday night’ program, and it’s probably because most fight fans aren’t very familiar with his character, is that he’s not the type of guy to make excuses for any of his fighters’ performances.
Mike doesn’t have a history of complaining or blowing the whistle on controversy in boxing.
Two very good points that he brought up, which is surprisingly being overlooked by the media covering this issue, is 1) every great trainer and anyone who has been around the sport for a considerable amount of time realizes that you never let a fighter blow his nose during a fight. It irritates and inflames your nasal passages. It actually has an adverse effect and limits your ability to breathe through your nose.
And 2) Why did Alex Ariza need the dental cotton swabs between rounds 11 and 12 if his intentions were to simply blow Maidana’s nose?
The late great cutman Joe Souza used to tell people close to him that he used to dip the same cotton swabs in ammonia and use it with some of his fighters like Jesse james Leija and Arturo Gatti. He acknowledged that it was indeed illegal, but it was often the difference in winning and losing a tough and closely fought battle.
I’m not jumping to any conclusions, because no one really knows what really happened at this point except Alex Ariza and possibly another member of Maidana’s team, and you wont hear me incriminating him publicly.
But these are valid complaints brought up by Mike Stafford, and are being largely dismissed by most media members because of how awesome the event was on Saturday night and how impressive Maidana’s performance truly was.
I truly believe that this issue deserves an investigation from the Texas State Athletic Commission.
But I did miss giving my commentary on Sunday night as well. I didn’t plan on featuring Mike until about thirty minutes before we went on the air. Although I was appreciative and flattered that Mike chose our show to share his thoughts with our listeners, I did have a lot to discuss about Saturday night’s fight card in the Alamo City.
I’m sure we will still be talking about this on this week’s episode of The Pugilist KOrner’s: Weekend Wrap.
Thank you for listening, Webster…and if you ever have a question concerning the show or just want to talk boxing, please shoot me an email at herron.joseph2112@att…..netPosted December 17, 2013 1:55 pm
Thanks for the inquiry about the integrity of the show, Dimelo. I appreciate your thoughts on the subject and being outspoken about it.
This show is about respecting the fight game and respecting the fighters. We take great pride in that aspect.
Part of respecting the fight game is having that dialogue with anyone who takes the time to listen to the show and support these courageous men who take punishment for our entertainment.
One of the reasons why we don’t allow very many callers to chime in during the fighter interviews, is because fight fans can be “less than respectful” at times when talking on the other end of a phone. I’ve noticed that a lot of fans will have almost a strange sense of pride for standing up a prizefighter during a radio interview…sign of the times, I guess.
Boxing is the greatest sport on the planet for so many reasons…one very important reason is the accessibility of the fighters. They always are very happy to greet fans and talk to everyone at the various media events leading into the big fight.
The always opinionated fight fans are very respectful when they meet them and talk to them in person. I guarantee you, if fans went off on them right in front of their faces like they do on some of the caller based boxing webshows, they wouldn’t be so willing to engage their fans nearly as often.
I always like to say…these guys take enough punishment in the ring, they don’t need to take any on the show.
If you have any questions regarding the show or have any suggestions is how to make improve the quality of the programming, please feel free to email me anytime.
Thanks again, brother!!Posted December 17, 2013 4:57 am
Thank you for your reply. I understand your point about your guests, and my apologies to you. It was/is my fault that I misread and misunderstood the whole situation. You did your Job. In addition, Hidalgo called your show and he understood the situation better than I did. He made his point but did not offend or bash your guest. I think I felt a bit too strong regarding Stafford’s answers and I let that consumed me rather than to let it go. I have been listening to your show for a long time now and I really liked the fact that you have an array guests as well as various segments. Your show is one of the last bations of boxing information where the fan can interact with the boxers and guests alike.
dimeloPosted December 17, 2013 3:56 am
Thanks for listening, Dimelo…I appreciate your sentiment and concern regarding the integrity of the show.
You make the accusation that I should put forth a more journalistic effort while on the show. That term has drastically changed over the last decade or so.
What separates The Pugilist KOrner from every other internet boxing radio show is the respect we display to our guests each and every episode.
The fighters, trainers, and promoters use the program as a platform to promote their careers or sound off on any topics that crosses their mind.
If you notice, I never confront or contradict any guest on Sunday or Tuesday night. Fighters don’t have as many media outlets to voice their opinions or promote their careers like players in the NFL, NBA, MLB.
Mike Stafford was my guest on Sunday night and wanted to use that time to talk about the Ariza/Maidana incident between rounds. I wasn’t about to stand him up and call him sour grapes. I’m not Max Kellerman…I have immense respect for everyone who graces our show. That’s not going to change.
Journalism has been dead in the US for quite some time now…People have grown so accustomed being overtly opinionated, rather than reporting and letting the readers or listeners decide for themselves.
The fight fans are smart…In my articles and when I’m interviewing anyone on the radio, I always let my subjects have their say and never contradict them. Even when I disagree with their opinions. I let my listeners and readers make up their own minds. That’s true journalism, brother.Posted December 17, 2013 1:09 am
Yes, the show is topnotch and I listen to it all the time but I never replied until recently. Yes, Mr. Herron is all that you said and perhaps more; however, that does not excuse him from the accusation. Yes, Ariza is a hot topic as well as Memo, Marquez and Pacquiao but until a rumor is proven, it is just that, a rumor. Let’s report on the issue and not sensationalize it until we know the facts. I am not disputing that he may or may have not taken something for the fight. What I am saying is that if it was taken, it was not during that video. Furthermore, what you mean I am making something out of nothing? The topic was the first thing brought on in the show and it was done in a manner that resembled Glen Beck.Posted December 16, 2013 9:54 pm
Dimelo73, I’ve tried a number of times to respond to your last post but for some reason ESB isn’t showing it. So I’ll try again in a briefer manner:
You said: “Was Maidana jittery on his interviews? That is your first clue to see if Maidana ingested asthma medication or anything else? Ammonia can wake you up some as well as a slap on the face but are the effects of that initial reaction long lasting? ”
You are trying to make something out of nothing.
You also said: “With regards to Mr. Herron’s initial comments regarding the video , he was looking for sensationalism and not journalism. ”
This issue with Ariza is a hot topic. Did you expect Herron to not say anything at all about it? Listen, man, call in and speak to Joe himself if you feel that way and get a response direct from him. Talk to the guests yourself. Ask them questions yourself.
Joe’s show is top notch. He’s well known in the boxing industry by boxers, trainers, promoters, and others. You’re slinging mud in the wrong direction, partner.Posted December 16, 2013 6:52 pm
Maidana is loved by fans world round…he’s like that rudolph the reindeer song! He pushed Broner out of his way during the weigh-in, never said a bad word, beat the bully’s jaw all the way to the hospital and even got a quiet moment of hump revenge in. The South Americans will pay PPV so Floyd will likely put his stamp on this and let Khan and Freddie try something less lucrative.Posted December 16, 2013 3:55 pm
Broner should launch a “Take Ohio” campaign and fight Porter wherever Porter chooses and then the winner gets A shot at Provo. Broner should be made to climb the ladder just as Maidana had to after his loss(es). Bradley deserves the Floyd match more than anyone but people seem to forget Tim a week after he fights.Posted December 16, 2013 3:43 pm
“Ammonia over a cut? Asthma medication? Do you know how silly does that sound? If you give something to an athlete , it need to be ingested before the fight because it will not take effect right away. ”
So let me set you straight on a few things, Dimelo73:
First of all I have a friend who is asthmatic and uses an inhaler. When he uses it the medicine takes effect almost immediately. YES, there is asthma medicine that works almost instantaneously–been around for decades.
Secondly, ammonia also works instantly. Ever hear of smelling salts? They used to be given to fighters to jolt them back to their senses. They are banned in boxing now. As for whether it was applied over a cut–supposedly he was inhaling it, not bathing in it.
Thirdly, Joe Herron can speak well enough for himself, but he was discussing, not accusing or gossiping. I know because I was on that show. I called in and spoke to both him, Mike Stafford, Ronnie Shields, and James Gogue.
You need to learn to be a better listener. You also need to read up more on things you know nothing about because when you start talking about them, your ignorance shows. Clearly.Posted December 16, 2013 2:26 pm
Regardles of what he does outside the ring Broner lost with pride in the ring. He fought until the end and congratulated Maidana after the match that’s what good fighters are supposed to do.Posted December 16, 2013 12:31 pm
It’s sad when you give a guy who is supposed to be a defensive shoulder rolling sharp shooting wizard who is destined to inherit the boxing thrown a 24 ft. ring, refs that can’t count that let you wrestle all night while you still can’t beat a slow power puncher that Alexander and Khan beat easily.Posted December 16, 2013 10:53 am
yes, the meal ticket is gone and we make a bunch of excuses. Remember Don King in the Tyson and Douglas fight? Remember the excuses? Wow, your fighter lost and will loose again against somebody who punches and move. I know they are embarrassed and they cannot take the lost after all the trash Broner talked. Ammonia over a cut? Asthma medication? Do you know how silly does that sound? If you give something to an athlete , it need to be ingested before the fight because it will not take effect right away.
Mr. Shield, thank you for your input.Posted December 16, 2013 10:48 am
There is nothing you could give Maidina that would fix that horrible defense and awful footwork and technique Broner has. He was tagged by a slow power puncher all night, at will.Posted December 16, 2013 10:37 am
He showed guts thanks to the ref. who let broner hold and pushed non stop. .Posted December 16, 2013 10:14 am
“Victor Conte says fight should be investigated. He would know.”
LMAO! Yeah right.Posted December 16, 2013 10:03 am
“Ariza says it was gauze in his hand and that Maidana wanted to blow his nose?????”
Hec Dog, when did Ariza say this? Got a link to the article or video?Posted December 16, 2013 10:01 am
“Ariza gave Maidana smelling salts of some other substance during the fight which is strickly against the anti-doping rules. Broner got cheated.”
The Prince, you’re an idiot. I suggest YOU watch the video again and again and again.Posted December 16, 2013 9:59 am
“I withdraw all of my previous allegation posts about maidana and his camp using any illegal substance. They are innocent until proven otherwise.”
Very wise of you Hec Dog.Posted December 16, 2013 9:57 am
I saw people in the streets cheering about Maidana and laughing making jokes about Broner after the fight.Posted December 16, 2013 9:09 am
Broner boxing a most pathetic embarrassing loserPosted December 16, 2013 9:06 am
soldtnt: I will give you that, he did show lots of heart. He got up off the canvas and fought till the end. He showed gutsPosted December 16, 2013 8:57 am
but i will give ab some props he has got the hrt of champ just not the skill set but he showed guts so respect that and i dont what drugs give u aboost as quick as that magic pill every talking about lol instant effect no way its bull maid was just the better fighterPosted December 16, 2013 8:45 am
Broner could be the biggest fraud in boxing history. He stands in the middle of the ring with that shoulder roll defensive stance and try’s to convince people that he is a defensive sharp shooting wizard like Floyd or Rigo. The problem is defensive sharp shooting wizards like Floyd and Rigo had the best trainers in the world since they were 5, ate slept and drank discipline and training all their lives, had a big armature career and went to the Olympics to get as good as they are and Broner didn’t.
Broner doesn’t have the training or experience to execute the level of boxing wizardry he tries’s to imitate. The stance is just a stance. That’s why he gets hit all the time. That’s why when pressure fighters bum rush him he doesn’t know what to do. That’s why if he faces adversity he shuts down and cannot adjust. That’s why there is no hit and not be hit. In addition, since he is not an accurate sharp shooter he cannot have such a low punch out or he will get out pointed by volume punchers. To top it off with he has no power at 147. That means anyone that can punch at 147 and maybe 140 will walk through him.
You can only go so far fighting like the fake Floyd Mayweather without the same skill, training and experience level. If he wants to go further he will have to get a real world class trainer, stop trying to fight like that wizard he his not and start fighting like Adrian Broner, whatever that is, dedicate himself and take it seriouslyPosted December 16, 2013 8:26 am
Maidana revenge dry humped that prick Broner. I am so happy he won. He is a better boxer and a better human being. Broner is trash and classless. He has been brutally embarrassed and will never be the same. He tried to humiliate Maidana and it back fired.Posted December 16, 2013 7:09 am
David El nino Rodriguez KTFO in the 6th round. Another pretender bites the dust in th HW divisionPosted December 16, 2013 7:07 am
well feather fisted paulie must have been on something to catch this very slick fighter who hardly takes a punch lol broner has always been easy to hit the diffrence he was in with a strong welter who can bang broner power never followed him up the weight ,but then agin ponce de leon won the fight they quite sim styles as wellPosted December 16, 2013 6:53 am
my biggest dissapointment was that Maidana did not KTFO this obnoxious moron into the next century …Posted December 16, 2013 6:23 am
Lol so the sniff made Maidana a smarter boxer eh?
The point is Maidana was catching broner from the first seconds of the fight , sniffing can’t help you on that just ask rios hahahahaha hahahahaPosted December 16, 2013 5:04 am
Victor Conte says fight should be investigated. He would know.Posted December 16, 2013 4:56 am
Maidana Clearly Won!!!!Posted December 16, 2013 4:48 am
Corner man if you look at past rounds had a towel. 11th round had the cut man equipment. The boxer pushed away the napkin twice in the being of the sit down.
How come rios proven steroids didn’t help him against paqiao. But somehow Maidanas victory was because of them???hahshahsgsga
PAC haters you are cought in catch 22 situation ….hahahahaha
Broner got beat up deal with it f@ haters !!!!!!Posted December 16, 2013 4:45 am
Route* not ritePosted December 16, 2013 4:39 am
Okay, this fight should be changed to a no decision with a automatic rematch. Ariza gave Maidana smelling salts of some other substance during the fight which is strickly against the anti-doping rules. Broner got cheated. There’s a picture and video all over the internet proving this. We’ll see what excuse the boxing commission uses to cover for this. In my mind, Broner is now still undefeated.
Posted December 16, 2013 1:54 am
Here you go …typical post from a typical racist fanboy who no matter what will rite only for boxers of his race ! PfffffffffffffffPosted December 16, 2013 4:38 am
I withdraw all of my previous allegation posts about maidana and his camp using any illegal substance. They are innocent until proven otherwise.Posted December 16, 2013 4:03 am
Ariza says it was gauze in his hand and that Maidana wanted to blow his nose????? Come on! This guy is a liar as you can see him putting something in the gauze. Wow! I hope they watch the video and investigate in thoroughly. Ariza is lying!Posted December 16, 2013 3:47 am
Murderman my friend, please keep in touch and let me know when that fight is signed.Posted December 16, 2013 3:44 am
The thing I saw with Broner is he made no adjustments May continual adjust though out his fights. Broner claimed Maidana was on dimensional turned out he was on that night. Rematch may be a different story one I would really like to see how it ends.Posted December 16, 2013 3:37 am
Broner, 24, was annointed a star far before his time and he wasn’t developed at the proper pace. On top of it, he developed plenty of bad habits and still doesn’t have a complete game.
He faced shockingly easy competition on the way up and throughout his career and wasn’t forced to learn the hard way in the ring. When Floyd Mayweather Jr. was on the rise, matchmaker Bruce Trampler did an expert job matching him. Trampler found fighters who were going to challenge Mayweather in certain areas, and who could push him at a given stage of his development.
They were fights he was expected to win, to be sure, but for the most part the bouts weren’t the easy public flogging type bouts that were regularly given to Broner.Posted December 16, 2013 3:32 am
@tbones – shyte lets get this paper partner! Hecdog will probably be willing to trick off his life savings for pac! Bless his little heart! LolPosted December 16, 2013 3:30 am
Yes Murda I want some of that action as well. I have cousin much like hec dog that thinks Manny is the second coming of Christ. Man I made big bucks off the Floyd fight with Shane, and I would be happy when this fight happens because I will get over again from guys like Hec. Manny stays wide open after he fires off shots ask Marquez easy money lol…Posted December 16, 2013 3:27 am
Hec dog you also said Manny was unbeaten, Did you see his last bout with Marquez? If i am not mistaken he had been Koed 3 times. Has the style to beat Floyd what style is that? LOL If a Marquez can drop him like a bad habit what do you think Floyd will do to him? I dont think you believe Manny has been beat the way you talk like he is undefeated. Only Floyd is 46-0 in case you forgotPosted December 16, 2013 3:22 am
@hecdog – is this the same pac w 5 loses on his record? Who lost to bradley and got k.o. by jmm? Didnt floyd dominate jmm and knocked him down? Something pac couldnt do? Ill happily take your money than treat you to a steak dimner to show no hard feelings. Sources behind the scene say it will go down in sept. Arum and pac were desperate enough to give floyd everything he asked for! So you my friend get my money up and holla back in sept! Peace!Posted December 16, 2013 3:20 am
Hec Dog lets be realistic the fight could have been made a long time ago if Pac had simply agreed to the test really easy thing not like May was saying take less money or only use certain gloves, or the ring had to be different. He just asked for the test. Now Pac is in a tight spot needing 50mill to pay off IRS and he needs Mayweather. Money will make Pac crawl but in the end the fight will be made. Pac will take a serious pay cut but still make a lot of cash and probably have to end up signing with Mayweather promotions either way we will see the fight and I think Money will win should be a good fight either way.Posted December 16, 2013 3:14 am
The only way Maidana could release himself from Broner’s choking, smothering grasp was to headbutt him. Broner got away with a lot because the referee favored him. Maidana took up matters into his own hands.Posted December 16, 2013 3:13 am
Hec dog kill yourself Manny has the goods to beat a undefeated mayweather But couldnt Stop Bradley, Marquez or Rios? I guess you think they are all better than Floyd too you sir are a moron…Posted December 16, 2013 3:13 am
Murderman my friend, you know full well Floyd Mayweather will NEVER fight the legendary Manny Pacquiao. He knows what will happen, but if by some miracle, they do sign and step into the ring, I will be happy to take your money and donate it to the the people that really need it. Hopefully Floyd will find the courage, character and inner strength to stop running. Manny Pacquiao will beat Floyd Mayweather easier than people think. It’s all about styles,and Manny’s style will defeat Floyd Mayweather and any other welterweight should they find the courage to take on arguably the greatest fighter of all time. Manny is a unique fighter that cannot be beaten by anyone in one fight. He does things and is faster, stronger and very unorthodx for fighters to figure out in one fight, Mayweather will be lost early and will be hurt inside of 5 rounds. Once again, this is all based on Floyd Mayweather finding the courage to fight the only 8 division boxing champion in history. 8 titles, yes more than Floyd and every fighter in history. I’ll give Floyd 1o years to sign the fight and step in to battle with the living legend, Manny “Pac Man” Pacquiao. Trust me on this Manny Pacquiao will win.Posted December 16, 2013 3:03 am
Maidana won fair and square. Broner did a lot of dirty stuff like pushing Maidana and hitting him after the bell rang and got no points deducted until around the 10th or 11th round. Broner just isn’t man enough to handle a loss. Probably miserable because he couldn’t show off again by having his hair combed. Fat chance he will ever have that luxury with Maidana.Posted December 16, 2013 3:03 am
Regardless of all that Broner was open because he depends to much on a defensive technique he has not perfected and may never the shoulder roll and he did not adapt in the ring to change the flaw. All broner had to do was put one hand up by his chin he could have blocked the hooks and picked up his punch output would have been a different fight. he basically tried to treat Maidana like Paulie and paid for it he did not really think Maidana hit that hard which is his fault. I want to seePosted December 16, 2013 2:47 am
Nothing to see, Move it Along – And the origins of Margarito cheating came out of Shane Mosley’s camp. But it was proven to be true, so Broner’s people questioning the video aren’t in the wrong if it’s them. Everything else you said about Broner’s antics I agree with, but that’s on the Ref. Maybe it’s nothing, but it should at least be investigated.Posted December 16, 2013 2:37 am
Hahaha look at the losers making excuses for Broners pathetic attempt at fighting on the weekend. You were all told that Broner was exposed by Malignaggi and if Paulie had a punch the result would of been a KO. Maidana does have a punch and did exactly what those with common sense thought he possibly could, hurt Broner. The other comments I take exception to, are that Broner showed heart. WRONG!!! He looked for a way out, of Hopkins vs Calzaghe proportions, after that head clash that cost Maidana a point. If Broner had fought the entire fight like the 12th then he may of had his hand raised but he didn’t have the strength, will or skill to continually trade as Maidana got on top after the majority of exchanges. Take the loss, learn from it, pull your head in and show respect to the fans and opponents.Posted December 16, 2013 2:28 am
Tachyon – All that’s true about Broner not fighting the right fight, but if the picture and video proves anything, none of that will matter. But like I said, fans are the problem not boxing politics.Posted December 16, 2013 2:25 am
Its too bad browner had already lost to 3 other fighters ponce . Paulie and that other guy HAHAHA..Adrienne BUMMER got EXPOSED for the one dimensional BUM that he is..LMAO oh the joyPosted December 16, 2013 2:24 am
Turb0-H@mster.. – I suggest you look again. Ariza was holding a small paper with white stuff on it. They should at least investigate it. I gave Maidana all the praise when he beat Broner, but now…Posted December 16, 2013 2:22 am
LOL the excuses are really coming in strong LMAO..now maidana is a cheater HAHAHAPosted December 16, 2013 2:22 am
The only salt used by Maidana was the assault he put on Broners ass. Broner fought the wrong fight and should have looked studied the Maidana videos in prep for the fight Broner fought the wrong fight and did not throw enough punches the loss is all on him.Posted December 16, 2013 2:21 am
Floyd will never fight Manny because of Arum. He got took when he was with Top rank so he doesnt want Arum to make millions off him again. It dont matter if the wbc makes Manny a mandatory or not. He can have the belt Floyd will never be dopped into being taken advantage of and will give his belt up because he will not compromise being the boss. And how in the world does a guy loose 2 out of 3 fights and still become a number 1 contender? Manny has zero draw no ppv attraction so Floyd is looking for bigger pay days he feels as though his legacy is already cemented and he dont need Manny. Manny needs him dude is broke and has IRS problems. Alverez vs, Floyd broke a all time high. He knows this so Manny is no longer a draw. Guys like Kahn are a huge draw because of his England following. Floyd is about the Money plain and simple.Posted December 16, 2013 2:18 am
The prince……WTF are you talking about. He wipes the dudes nose with a piece of gauze. There’s no more evidence there is anything on that than there is that there is anything on the q-Tips they were sticking up Broners nose.Posted December 16, 2013 2:14 am
And you guys making excuses for Ariza (a known doping cheat) and Maidana are the problem. If The Problem was caught with such a compromising picture or video, you same people claiming it doesn’t prove anything would be screaming that Broner is a cheater, especially if he came back and won the fight. The boxing commission isn’t the problem with boxing corruption, it’s you fans who’d overlook something like this, just because a fighter you liked, cheated to beat a fighter you don’t like.Posted December 16, 2013 2:01 am
Okay, this fight should be changed to a no decision with a automatic rematch. Ariza gave Maidana smelling salts of some other substance during the fight which is strickly against the anti-doping rules. Broner got cheated. There’s a picture and video all over the internet proving this. We’ll see what excuse the boxing commission uses to cover for this. In my mind, Broner is now still undefeated.Posted December 16, 2013 1:54 am
This esb site is filled with idiotsPosted December 16, 2013 1:45 am
You make excuses for one guy with Ariza in his corner and you praise another with Ariza in his corner. You have Rios failing a post fight drug test with Ariza in his corner when doing the random testing but he refuses to do random testing with Ariza in his corner unless there is a cut off date. Sorry bro but you can’t have it both ways.Posted December 16, 2013 1:42 am
” I guarantee he will KO Demarco. ”
Big deal. I, as well as a host of other ESB regulars said Broner would KO DeMarco.Posted December 16, 2013 1:36 am
“Peej my friend, Broner’s incredible loss may be attributed to Maidana’s use of some illegal drug. The video says it all. No excuses about smelling salts and other garbage. The man looks like he cheated. The decision should be reversed as I expect it to be. Garcia and his group are cheaters.”
Hec Dog, you have absolutely no proof–not even in the video–that Ariza slipped something to Maidana. Just because Mike Stafford is making a formal complaint about what he thinks he saw does not make it a reality. The video doesn’t say, show or prove squat. Maidana doesn’t look like he cheated. He looks like a guy sitting on his stool between rounds and being attended to by his trainer, his cut man, his S&C trainer who’s assisting the cut man, and the water and towel boy.
Maidana passed the post-fight drug test. I think he beat Broner fair and square. No doubt Broner and his team are having a very hard time accepting the beating and shocking loss that Adrien suffered. All you saw was a veteran world class boxer giving a young brash whipper snapper an education. The hard way.
I’ll suspect that nothing will come out of Stafford’s concerns or your accusations.Posted December 16, 2013 1:33 am
I hate excuses, it like they are trying to Chang the out come and change the weak mind and there are many, broner Team said broner has a off night, yea right, he was 100% and gave it all he got and it wasn’t enough,
I don’t know what you think you saw, Hec Dog, but Ariza never put that gauze under Maidana’s nose so he could breathe through it. The video clip in Joseph’s article clearly shows that.Posted December 16, 2013 1:26 am
“Maidana seems bothered and he wakes up like a mad cow. ”
What???!!!Posted December 16, 2013 1:23 am
@hecdog – put your money where your mouth is! When may n pac fight in sept how much u want to bet floyd murks pac! If i win ill leave you my address where you can mail my check or western union! Pac wins. Vice versa ill pay you! Do we have a bet sir?Posted December 16, 2013 1:17 am
@joeseph herron – any talk of broner dropping down to 140? Im sure he is done at 147. What do you think? Oh and props on the great job your doinh! God bless!Posted December 16, 2013 1:14 am
Only options for broner is drop to 140 or retire! He probably no longer can make 135. Its obvious he is too small and lack power at 147 to be competative. He can take a ww punch either! Hopefully he can resurrect his career at 140. Good luck ab!Posted December 16, 2013 1:08 am
Huh… No Vivek or (vitaly ) article yet? LolPosted December 16, 2013 1:07 am
Peej my friend, Broner’s incredible loss may be attributed to Maidana’s use of some illegal drug. The video says it all. No excuses about smelling salts and other garbage. The man looks like he cheated. The decision should be reversed as I expect it to be. Garcia and his group are cheaters.
Manny Pacquiao on the other hand is an entirely different subject. Manny will destroy Broner, Mayweather, Thurman, Bradley and Maidana. Manny is a man on a mission, and he can’t wait to get someone in the ring. Every guy I just mentioned in the welterweight division has NO chance whatsoever to beat Manny’s incredible, NATURAL speed, power, boxing skills, agility and movement and stamina. Manny has a tyle that no one can beat especially if they are fighting him for the first time. Just look at Floyd, he wants no part of Manny as well as Haymon and Schaeffer. These guys know better than to put Floyd or any of their fighters in with Manny Pacquiao. There’s no more room for excuses. The boxing world has heard enough. They have know crowned Floyd Mayweather as a fighter that refuses to fight Manny Pacquiao for ONLY one reason. He’s scared. No more excuses. Fight fan aren’t dumb. They have given this guy more than enough chance to make the fight regardless of his feelings towards Arum or anyone else. Floyd’s own boxing peers have now looked at him as a chicken. A man afraid to fight another man out of fear. Manny Pacquiao will continue to be loved, respected, adored, admired and cheered on by the world. That is what you call a champion inside and outside of the boxing ring. Manny Pacquiao will go down as arguably the greatest fighter of all time. He deserves it more than any other. The only 8 division boxing champion in history says it all. Need I say more. Manny’s the best. Floyd mayweather couldn’t win 8 titles could he? Manny is incredible. Maidana gets stopped before 6 rounds, Broner gets stopped before 10, Thurman gets stopped before 5, Floyd takes a beating and gets stopped in round 1 or 2. Bradley gets stopped before 11. Trust me, Manny beats them all.Posted December 16, 2013 1:05 am
those old posts were about people comparing Broner with Floyd…Posted December 16, 2013 12:25 am
a little bit of history documented:”largo
Anybody imagine Floyd having this life & death fight against Paul?
Posted June 23, 2013 1:10 am
This kid gets hit way too much to compete with Floyd.
Posted May 14, 2013 1:25 am
Besides, being a clone implies some degree of degradation from the original & Floyd is the original.
Posted May 14, 2013 1:30 am.”Posted December 16, 2013 12:20 am
Hecdog remember what you posted and start thinking about Pacs so called run at welter. And now stop your Pac rantsPosted December 16, 2013 12:18 am
I’d like to thank the fans who threw garbage at Broner. Humping another man in the ring? Maybe something he learned in prison? He got the beat down he deserved, and a nice little humping in return.Posted December 16, 2013 12:07 am
Brush boy will try to drop down. It’s the only way he’ll salvage his career. Make a bet he goes to 140, wins a belt to claim he’s a four weight class champ and the ego is back.Posted December 15, 2013 11:58 pm
okay…hold the linePosted December 15, 2013 11:54 pm
Joseph, I got a question for James about the second round knockdown.Posted December 15, 2013 11:44 pm
Roast Crow With an Extra Helping of Crow Sauce
Come on people, I tried giving you some in sight on Broner who will be an ATG. Keep doubting this guy, and he’ll have fun proving you wrong. A good trainer that has a good eye for talent like myself can see all the special components of a great fighter. Broner has them all, and he’s only needed to use half of his talent so far. Sure he had some close fights (Ponce De Leon), but he gained experience, and Ponce is a very unorthodox fighter that gives anyone a tough fight, just ask Jhonny Gonzalez. The point is, Broner knows how to weave, slip, duck, move, counter and master every other move needed to be a special boxer like Roy Jones, Floyd Mayweather, James Toney, Sugar Ray Leonard, Wilfredo Benitez and Sugar Ray Robinson. Most of you are blinded by his ego and his confidence, but he’s the real deal, and you’ll agree with me once he starts dismantling fighters in various weight classes. Believe me, I’m right on this guy, and you’ll see in the future just how good this kid is. As all great fighters do, he will get better as the competition gets better. I guarantee he will KO Demarco. I’ll mow my lawn with my teeth if he doesn’t.
Posted October 5, 2012 2:19 amPosted December 15, 2013 11:37 pm
any tech questions for gogue?Posted December 15, 2013 11:36 pm
After watching the fight again. I think it could have been a draw. If they rematch Broner will winPosted December 15, 2013 11:21 pm
i agree, garyPosted December 15, 2013 11:15 pm
Fight of the year is Bradley vs Provo!Posted December 15, 2013 11:13 pm
Pedquiao spend years under Ariza and was never once tested, Rios had 4 months with Ariza and has already tested 4 times.Posted December 15, 2013 11:03 pm
I now fully understand why Adrien Broner lost the way he did. I watched all that took place during the round in question. Maidana was tired and out of gas. He came back to the corner helpless and tired. Next Ariza comes in looks to the left so that the referee isn’t looking, puts the substance that’s on the napkin or towel and places up at Maidana’s nose, not once but twice. Maidana seems bothered and he wakes up like a mad cow. This is an atrocity! I hope the powers that be don’t cover this up. Adrien broner was cheated until a believable reason by Maidana, Garcia and Ariza is given. Remember, these guys already cheated with Brandon Rios, but to no avail, Manny destroyed him regardless. I feel bad for Broner. Wow! Caught right on camera. He’s guilty by what the video shows. Broner needs to step up and address this disgusting, detestable situation. He must know that a substance was used by his opponent to defeat him. Memories of Panama Lewis and Aaron Pryor vs Alexis Arguello.Posted December 15, 2013 11:00 pm
Ariza is a dumba$$ he probably did not even know that supplement he gave Rios was illegal. It was not much of a PED, just an herbal stimulant that can be dangerous to the cardiovascular system. Guarana does the same thing and is legel. Ephendra does the same thing and was made illegal then legal again and i don’t even know it’s status now. Any douchebag that works at GNC and mixes protein shakes knows about as much chemistry as Alex Ariza. This was not a devious well hid steroid plot that Vada busted. It was a moron giving another moron a nutritional supplement that is on the banned list. I’ve always felt that the PED witchhunters are the real beyotches here at ESB. It’s been rehashed so many times.Posted December 15, 2013 10:35 pm
i hope so as wellPosted December 15, 2013 10:32 pm
Joseph, I’ve just finished talking to you and Mike.
I watched the video clip again. I see cotton swabs and cotton gauze in Ariza’s hand. I never saw him put the gauze over Marcos’ nose, nor did I see Marcos inhale through it. The first time Ariza moves to apply the cotton gauze is to Maidana’s left eye –on the eyebrow near his nose–after the cut man pulls the end-swell away. Then he wipes Maidana’s nose with the gauze–mostly the right side of his nose–but he did not place the gauze over his nose or nostrils and Maidana did not breath through it. The cut man applies more end swell, then Ariza wipes him again. That’s all I see and I think if Mike, you or anyone else watches this video clip very closely that’s all anyone will see.
Granted there was a short moment where Garcia’s back blocked the view to what Ariza was doing to Maidana, but really, I think Ariza didn’t give Maidana anything.
Also Joseph, as much as I hate to say it, I think Mike, Adrien and his team are having a hard time accepting such a shocking defeat. Rios’ negative test results does cast somewhat of a shadow now that Ariza’s actions are being scrutinized, but really, I think Maidana got a clean win.
I sure hope I’m right.Posted December 15, 2013 10:28 pm
Joseph, I thought it was a graet fight last night, both guys gave there all. Its just a shame that’s not enough for some of these people on here. I thought Maidana well won the fight though. Broner proved one thing last night and that’s that he has plenty heart.Posted December 15, 2013 10:23 pm
got itPosted December 15, 2013 10:09 pm
My area code is 928. I’m already in the cue.Posted December 15, 2013 10:06 pm
Joseph, if you are looking at your monitor right now, I’d really like to say something right now regarding this issue with Ariza supposedly giving Maidana something.Posted December 15, 2013 10:06 pm
BTW, I watched the clip several times. Ariza just has a couple of squares of gauze in his hand. He didn’t put anything in it and Maidana isn’t sniffing anything to revive himself.Posted December 15, 2013 10:01 pm
Ok. First of all those are cotton swabs in Ariza’s right hand, not pills. As for what’s in or on the cloth I couldn’t say. Everything these guys do is there for the world to see. I don’t Robert Garcia is that big of a fool to let Ariza possibly tarnish his or any of his fighters’ reputations.
Secondly, heyyyy Joe! I’ll be listening tonight. I’m very interested in hearing Shields’ and Gogue’s breakdown of the Maidana/Broner fight.Posted December 15, 2013 9:58 pm
Last post is mine, Hec DogPosted December 15, 2013 9:54 pm
Broner’s trainer Mike Stafford will be joining us in ten minutes!! 9PM EST
718-506-1506Posted December 15, 2013 9:52 pm