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Hidalgo

I apologize yet again for my last post being on the wrong thread. I don’t know how this happened as I was viewing the first article shown on ESB and responding to it. Frankly, I think it’s that little demon Internet Explorer 11 messing up again.

Posted December 20, 2013 2:44 pm 


Hidalgo

“whereas Floyd Mayweather gives Floyd Mayweather his own date”

Jr. talking about himself in third person again. Most ridiculous narcissism I have sever witnessed. Truly pathetic that the man insists on referring to himself this way.

As Kelly Slater, world champion surfer who is considered by most of the surfing world to be the GOAT of surfing, the way Mayweather talks about himself is “embarrassing.”

Posted December 20, 2013 2:42 pm 


BLUESMAN

@ KJ: ROFLAO! Well done my friend!

Posted December 20, 2013 6:00 am 


Beej

Expert MO is talking the most common sense on this matter.

Ariza has clearly been a little naughty, here. It’s interesting to see if he receives the bulk of any potential punishment.

Posted December 20, 2013 3:51 am 


Pharmboxer

Cole is folically challenged.

Posted December 20, 2013 1:18 am 


Yo MOMMA

Anonymous- Your mom’s mouth cheats like crazy in the neighborhood…does your dad know? so why you complainig

Posted December 20, 2013 12:05 am 


Floyd XYLOCAINE Mayweather

It almost feels that ariza deliberately wanted to %uckup with maidana’s great victory.
……

Posted December 19, 2013 10:37 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Well it’s been more than 1-2 days. What’s Texas have to say after “investigating?” While we’re at it, is Texas “investigating” why crackehead Lawrence Cole let Broner repeatedly hold, throw elbows and forearms, and blatantly hit Maidana after the bell without penalty?

Posted December 19, 2013 8:16 pm 


Hidalgo

“Traces of banned stimulants will show up in urine samples. A year’s suspension can cost a team several million dollars at this level. It makes no sense to risk it”

Yeah, but what IF, Tark? Talk about a bombshell!

Posted December 19, 2013 7:49 pm 


Hidalgo

LOL Bustajay. I’m pretty sure he shot John Lennon too!

Posted December 19, 2013 7:46 pm 


TARK

Alan Hubbard.., “Big fistic fish have been caught in the international drugs net. Among those who have been banned or admitted using illegal substances are former world champions Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr, Roy Jones Jr, Shane Moseley, Antonio Tarver, Pernell Whitaker, Lamont Peterson, Andre Berto, Brandon Rios, and Erik Morales.”

With the sport so aware of cheating at the world level, you wouldn’t give your boxer a pill or pills during a nationally televised fight—with several TV cameras going at all times from different angles. You’d get nailed 100%.

If you wanted to give him stimulants, you’d dissolve them in water, pour the water into ordinary water bottles, reseal the bottles so they look untouched like you just picked them up at Costco, and group them with other bottles in a kit. If they’re unused at the end of the fight the seconds can just gulp them down. Ariza is a gadfly who loves publicity and behaves stupidly.

Traces of banned stimulants will show up in urine samples. A year’s suspension can cost a team several million dollars at this level. It makes no sense to risk it. If you want to be more alert get more rest. The investigation will conclude, “There is no proof any illegality by Maidana’s team.”

Posted December 19, 2013 7:05 pm 


BUSTAJAY

I heard that they also found Alex WAS LINKED to the JFK shooting now….run and check it out PEOPLE……WTF

Posted December 19, 2013 5:21 pm 


st

As a fan of Broners, he got his ass kicked. I wished he had let his hands go a lot more. The fight was closer that the judges scores. Especially since the second knockdown was nullified by the headbutt. I agree the young man needed some humble pie. But what I can’t stand, is a cheater or an alleged cheater. Clearly, Ariza did something. From the video, it seemed as though he was positioning a pill. But I never noticed one. What I did witness was him putting that napkin to maidanas mouth and nose, when he wasn’t bleeding. Ariza claimed he was letting Maidana blow his nose. Really? I think he inhaled something to wake him up cause he had just rocked. Also, for folks saying a pill can’t work that fast….you may be right. but maybe if there was a pill, it was to mask whatever Maidana was already on, in preparation for the post fight urine test. It was fishy and I wish it wasn’t like that.

Posted December 19, 2013 4:28 pm 


Hidalgo

“this is why he glanced at the camera first. ”

Or maybe at Robert Garcia? He pretty much looks straight ahead, not to his left which is where the camera is positioned.

Posted December 19, 2013 4:10 pm 


brick city

he tried to cover up the pill by slipping it from under the napkin, this is why he glanced at the camera first. what cornermen do you ever see look at the camera???? their only concern is their fighter.

Posted December 19, 2013 2:01 pm 


malachi

Broner lost fellas,let it go he got beat up good ,i mean real good after a while he looked like he knew he was no match for maidana and maybe it was something he needed so now he will stop all the clowning n partying,he needs sombody who really cares about him to put him under their wing and explain to him that boxings not a game…FOCUS!..yuuup!

Posted December 19, 2013 12:36 pm 


Hidalgo

Also, I wanna point out something else about the video that I just noticed:

At the beginning of it, Ariza has both the gauze and cotton swabs in his right hand. He is holding the gauze with his thumb and forefinger and the swabs with his other three fingers cradling them in his palm. He puts the gauze in his left hand but continues to hold the swabs. That right there partially explains why Ariza looks like he has something between his thumb and forefinger on the gauze.

If anyone doesn’t quite see what I mean, grab three or four cotton swabs yourself. Hold them in your hand like Ariza does. While holding them also hold a napkin between your thumb and forefinger as he does. Now remove the napkin with your left hand while continuing to hold the swabs. How are your forefinger and thumb positioned? Pretty much like Ariza’s are in the video right? –unless you intentionally spread them apart from each other.

Now, about that apparently invisible pill….or dental roll….or milk bone. :)

Posted December 19, 2013 11:06 am 


Hidalgo

BTW, I just learned that in Texas, boxing falls under the jurisdiction of the Texas Combative Sports Program which is recognized by the Association of Boxing Commissions, as well as the federal government, as the legitimate authority overseeing all combative sports events in Texas.

So, the Texas Athletic Commission would likely be turning the investigation over to them, wouldn’t they?

Posted December 19, 2013 11:03 am 


donny long

#Broner is garbage

Posted December 19, 2013 12:54 am 


Young.L

they cheated. smh..#realtalk

Posted December 18, 2013 11:37 pm 


Anonymous

You know, I’ve been watching boxing almost religiously for about 15 years now. Perhaps the biggest take-away I’ve learned from watching boxing for so long is that race has nothing to do with who is going to win a fight.

I’ve seen literally thousands of fights where Negroes have been knocked out by Caucasians, or Asians, or Hispanics. Anyone who is under the false belief that Negroes are superior athletes would do well to watch fighters like Lucian Bute, Sergey Kovalev, Gennady Golovkin, these guys have produced some absolutely hellacious KO’s (many times against Negroes) and epitomize athletic ability. Sergey Kovalev, hits harder than anyone of any race, I’ve ever seen before.

When you look at boxing, you have champions and extremely talented fighters from all races. You have highly successful White boxers, Asian boxers, Latino boxers, and so on.

Race is a non-factor in determining boxing ability. What’s more important in succeeding as a boxer (or any athlete) is confidence, experience, and discipline. The fact that you have so many races successful in top-level boxing is a testament to that.

Posted December 18, 2013 10:05 pm 


YO MOMMA

KJ- You tore SREDMOND a new hole from which to breathe….lol. funny as hell.

Posted December 18, 2013 10:04 pm 


third world

give me a break ! if it’s anything it’s salts or ammonia just like duran used to love between rounds. boy i tell ya’, just can’t accept the better man won. nothing will change what happended. this is an attempt to get an immediate rematch and because broner camp had no rematch clause. as long as chino maidana gave a clean u.a. then it’s a w.

Posted December 18, 2013 9:18 pm 


von Pugsly

Who cares? Broner hit Maidana after the bell in that round anyway. If they used something to help revive him it only offsets Broner’s foul after the bell. Two wrongs don’t make a right, but with or without the smelling salts Maidana kicked Broner’s ass over 12 rounds and will do it again even more emphatically if there is a rematch. This is just a sideshow and a pathetic attempt to deflect attention from Broner’s humiliation in the ring.

Posted December 18, 2013 8:52 pm 


Kent

Broner,you got your ass kicked plain and simple!! Test will show nothing except that Maidana whooped your ass!!

Posted December 18, 2013 8:36 pm 


KJ

SREDMOND’s favorites Floyd Mayweather, Bernard Hopkins, and Adrian Broner are all racist.

SREDMOND spends all of the inordinate amount of time he spends on here hating on and trying to tear down white fighters and tonguing the cracks of black ones.

SREDMOND has been caught out posting horribly offensive black supremacist racist BS under his alias account . one of many . Supreme Court.

SREDMOND is a compulsive lying hypocrite who contorts people’s words, dodges and refuses to answer difficult questions, and moulds his opinions and arguments to fit around his black supremacist agenda.

SREDMOND is very fond of calling out white posters if the say anything remotely racist, but he never does the same to black posters when they say things which are infinitely more racist, offensive and extreme.

SREDMOND likes to whine and complain when fighters who don’t share his skin complexion commit fouls, but he says nothing when the black ones he worship who are some of the dirtiest fighters in the sport do so every time they lace their gloves up.

SREDMOND has four main modes of defence when caught out, which the more observant of you will know is very often.

1. He creates a straw man argument and then argues against what he’s twisted your words to mean.

2. He lies. He lies. And he lies some more.

3. He goes AWOL for a few days and posts under one of his aliases. He also likes to cherry pick parts of your post and completely ignore the relevant parts that matter.

4. He claims he’s won the argument even though it’s crystal clear to all he hasn’t.

SREDMOND is the most disliked poster on Eastside Boxing by a long stretch and the reason for that is, because he’s a such a lying racist hypocrite who moulds everything he says to fit with his racist agenda.

There’s no question SREDMOND suffers from a legitimate psychological disorder. Look at the amount of time he spends on here if you doubt this. He’s full of bitterness, rage and resentment that his life hasn’t panned out the way that he hoped it would and starting arguments with strangers on the internet is the only outlet he has to vent that rage and self-loathing.

There’s absolutely no way someone who spends as much time as he does on here leads a normal life. He obviously doesn’t have a girlfriend or any kind of rewarding social life, which to be honest I think is rather sad.

He lives his life vicariously through black fighters like Floyd Mayweather, Adrian Broner, Andre Ward and co and he rides on the coattails of their achievements because he has achieved nothing in his own life. This is the reason why he gets so enraged and defensive when you criticize them. Any kind of attack on them is an attack on his self-esteem.

It hasn’t even dawned on him what the sting in the tail is to when you ride on the coattails of the achievements of others. He still needs someone to explain to him what it is.

The problem with riding on the coattails of the achievements of others is, you don’t actually get anywhere. You might think your making progress but all you’re actually doing is running to stand still. And you’re always going to remain firmly rooted to the same spot for as long as you allow the delusion to grip you within its vice. When is the penny finally going to drop SREDMOND?

You won’t see a single poster on Eastside Boxing who’s accused of being racist more frequently or by more other posters than him and there’s a damned good reason why that is.

SREDMOND is a joke of a poster and no one should take anything that comes out of his poisonous mouth seriously.

Posted December 18, 2013 7:14 pm 


Anonymous

I was so happy watching AB as he got destroyed by Maidana.

Posted December 18, 2013 7:11 pm 


KJ

SREDMOND’s favorite’s Mayweather, Hopkins, and Broner are all racist. They’re the most racist fighters in the sport.

SREDMOND spends all of the inordinate amount of time on here hating on and trying to tear down white fighters and slurping on the nutsacks of black ones.

SREDMOND has been caught out posting horribly offensive black supremacist racist BS under his alias account . one of many . Supreme Court.

SREDMOND is a compulsive lying hypocrite who contorts people’s words, dodges and refuses to answer difficult questions, and moulds his opinions and arguments to fit around his black supremacist agenda.

SREDMOND is very fond of calling out white posters if the say anything remotely racist, but he never does the same to black posters when then they say things which are infinitely more racist, offensive and extreme.

SREDMOND likes to whine and complain when fighters who don’t share his skin complexion commit fouls, but he says nothing when the black ones he worship who are some of the dirtiest fighters in the sport do so every time they lace their gloves up.

SREDMOND has four main modes of defence when caught out, which is often.

1. He creates a straw man argument and then argues against what he’s twisted your words to mean.

2. He lies. He lies. And he lies some more.

3. He goes AWOL for a few days and posts under one of his aliases. He also likes to cherry pick parts of your post and completely ignores the parts that matter.

4. He claims he’s won the argument even though it’s abundantly clear he hasn’t.

SREDMOND is the most disliked poster on Eastside Boxing by a long stretch and the reason for that is, because he’s a such a lying racist hypocrite who moulds everything he says to fit with his racist agenda.

You won’t see a single poster on Eastside Boxing who’s accused of being racist more than him and there’s a damned good reason why that is.

SREDMOND is a joke of a poster and no one should take anything that comes out of his poisonous mouth seriously.

Posted December 18, 2013 6:15 pm 


te tumbo

whatever Ariza did for Maidana he’s already done for Pacquiao*. perhaps this investigation should include reviewing tapes of Pacquiao* bouts to establish a pattern of cheating or not cheating by Ariza. at worst, Maidana allowed the wrong person into his corner. at best, this is nothing but a hysterical response to nothing at all. bottomline, NOTHING should take this hard-earned “W” from Maidana. he earned and we’ve all seen him fight this hard (if not harder) before. Broner was the question mark coming in to this bout and Maidana provided the answer: Broner is not ready for 147lbs and certainly not ready for the likes of Maidana.

Posted December 18, 2013 5:45 pm 


SREDMOND

Anonymous CLASSIC cowardly response trying to take shots from behind the veil of secrecy, NO brand to represent to stances to explain or support just total lack of commitment and trying to run with the big dogs… You are indeed the lint in my crack…

Posted December 18, 2013 4:59 pm 


Boxe0

SRedmond: You are correct. USADA not VADA.

Posted December 18, 2013 4:58 pm 


SREDMOND

We have ALL seen Tark do ANYTHING to not appear WRONG and what do direct QUOTES mean to you Hidalgo when you will not answer your own???

Posted December 18, 2013 4:56 pm 


Anonymous

Hidalgo, this is what Tark said about the fight
Broner-Maidana is a fantastic matchup. They both love to attack hard and throw hard. Broner wins by KO. Maidana has an arching overhand right that could give Broner some problems, because of the way Broner rolls right hands. That will make the fight interesting. This fight is good — but there’s another fight I want to see.

He’s clearly distancing himself from his comments now.

Posted December 18, 2013 4:43 pm 


Anonymous

SREDMOND fine by me, post your number here and your home address.

Posted December 18, 2013 3:34 pm 


Hidalgo

Oops, my last post is in the wrong thread. Sorry.

Posted December 18, 2013 3:15 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Texas says the investigation will be done in 1-2 days so by the end of this week we’ll have an answer. But I doubt anything is found. BTW What round did this thing occur? Even if it was something it seems absurdly unnecessary, given Maidana was tapping that ass from the opening bell. PS: How is 3 comments since Tuesday “too fast?” WTF ESB.

Posted December 18, 2013 3:01 pm 


SREDMOND

Boxeo, WHO failed a “VADA Test” against Mosley??? Floyd Mayweather and Mosley were tested by USADA which is NOT the same entity as VADA.. Both Mosley and Floyd passed… USADA is more expensive which is why only the more wealthy boxers are gonna go that route… Boxeo you basically just made that out you don’t even have the testing body correct… I KNOW the FACTS are rude on ESB but it is what it is….

Posted December 18, 2013 2:17 pm 


SREDMOND

Hidalgo, below you say that “Mayweather, Golden Boy and USADA are brother and sister” how do you come to this conclusion in your smear campaign? you also discuss how Lance Armstrong evaded tests YET it was USADA that compiled the evidence that destroyed old SINGLE nut Armstrong… Suddenly this Organization has not credibility even though they are duly authorized by WADA to administer the WADA code across the entire Continent??? You find it plausible that they have hidden 3 dirty tests in an effort to protect FMJ YET you cite Armstrong as an example of a guy getting busted by this SAME WATCHDOG… Again this is in STARK contrast to your willingness to presume Chino innocent (which I do unless he tests dirty) can you explain your wiliness to accept such FANTASTIC claims about the man who brought RBT to the Sport of boxing as opposed to some circumstantial video evidence of Ariza who’s last fighter just tested positive for an illegal supplement??? I KNOW you have no intelligent response but my cruel streak compels me to ask the questions… What proof do you have of the allegations you have made in regards to Mayweather and USADA….???? NONE except a silly article and your Bias…

Posted December 18, 2013 2:11 pm 


Boxe0

Because he failed the VADA test during Mosely fight.

Posted December 18, 2013 2:09 pm 


SREDMOND

Anonymous, Give me a Call when you get the BALLS to create a screen name until then you are a guy yelling from the crowd with no voice!! HAHAHAHA!!

Posted December 18, 2013 1:59 pm 


SREDMOND

Hidalgo

Because the USADA and Golden Boy or Floyd himself or his father says he hasn’t? USADA and Golden Boy and Mayweather are brother and sister. Why do you think Floyd only tests with USADA and not VADA? It ain’t no coincidence.

Posted December 18, 2013 1:48 pm 


Anonymous

SRedmond, you are known to be an antagonist that argues with every single person you can on these boards. You challenge everyone. EVERYONE. You drag out arguments and issues until they are way past dead and then you still keep going.

How deluded is this little prick. You got schooled son. Accept it and rebuild

Posted December 18, 2013 1:48 pm 


SREDMOND

Hidalgo, we NOTE below that you have ruled on the Broner matter and deduced there could be no foul play… Do you DENY this post being yours? YET On several occasions you have been MORE than willing to rush to judgement when a fighter you did NOT like was the winner…. Do you deny writing this post? I know you are frenzied and will likely need to resort to Bigoted Commentary due to the embarrassment but facts are facts…You were VERY willing to entertain the idea Mayweather had “Been dirty 3x and bribed BOTH the NSAC and USADA absent ANY hard proof based on an article that’s getting NO wide play or being discussed anywhere YET…. You simply just backed Maidana, hell or high water… AGAIN I personally see Broners issues as him getting outfought PERIOD but my consistency on smearing fighters absent proof is pretty untouchable… Absent a Blood or Urine Test or some other VERY HARD evidence I am not gonna vacate victories… Like I said you are a FLIP FLOPPER and very reminiscent of that IDIOT and constant RACIST Bears when he gets cornered..!

Posted December 18, 2013 1:36 pm 


SREDMOND

HIDALGOS POST BELOW…………………………Hidalgo

Expert Medical Opinion, Broner got his butt kicked by a better fighter now his team is looking for any out they can. They just can’t swallow this loss. Their golden boy was thoroughly beaten and they refuse to accept it.

As for you, here’s exactly what you said:

“Looks like smelling salt and or something like “Vicks Menthal” cream was placed inside of the cloth and put up to Maidonna’s nose to clear his sinuses alowing him to take deeper breaths of Oxygen,”

You even know exactly what the substance is, right? You’re some genius. And you question why Ariza would wipe the outside of his nose. Fighters usually get their faces cleaned up between rounds.

So I say the same thing to you that you said to me: “Just because you say something, does not mean that your interpretation is correct. You do not hold the only voice.”
Posted December 18, 2013 1:14 am

Posted December 18, 2013 1:30 pm 


SREDMOND

Hidalgo, the FACT that you are a CLEAR RACIST as you pretty much indicate in your post below is just a matter of record now… That said YESTERDAY you were all over some article popping up about Floyd Mayweather failing 3 Drug Tests and basically BRIBING the NSAC, USADA and the rest of the World in order to keep this quiet… ON THE FLIP SIDE you were totally dismissing a video of Ariza looking questionable after his fighter just failed a test a few weeks ago… AGAIN you have tried to sell conspiracy after conspiracy YET you were suddenly staunch in your defense of Maidana???? AGAIN I am just pointing out your VERY obvious bias which is just WAYYYY too stark to ignore… Once there was a disagreement you pivoted to a RACIAL attack which clearly indicates you have issues with Black people or NO issue attacking in that manner when things are NOT going your way…. This is NOT the first time you have been EXPOSED and of course it will NOT be the last…!!

Posted December 18, 2013 1:28 pm 


Tomato Can

The bottom line here is, Ariza is going to be scrutinized from here on out. If he’s dirty, it’ll eventually come out.

Posted December 18, 2013 1:20 pm 


SREDMOND

Ahhhhhhhhhh now you have BOWED down to Bigotry because I have SHAMED you so BADLY!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Score one for SREDMOND when you fail to argue the points of fact you have to go the route of Bears and the other LOW LIFES on ESB….. I actually am defending Maidana and noted that I give him the benefit of the Doubt how EXACTLY does my Race or the Race of ANY fighter or poster play into this conversation?? I really doesn’t but we AGAIN have proof you are a RACIST and like MOST when sufficiently provoked you cannot help but take the LOW Road!!

Posted December 18, 2013 1:14 pm 


Hidalgo

“Yet you are suddenly defending this Maidana scenario beyond a shadow of a doubt when you will throw dirt on ANY fighters name you don’t like…. ”

So clearly, you didn’t read my last post to Dimelo73. See, you’re doing it again SRedmond–spouting off about me when you don’t really know what I said. But just to help you out, I’ll post it again:

” don’t know, Dimelo73. The more I watch the video, the more I think I do and don’t see certain things. However, Ariza most certainly does wipe the right side of Maidana’s nose, then Maidana pushes his hand away with his glove. That is clearly visible in the video. Watch it again.

I will say that the more I look at the video, the more it appears to me that Ariza is holdinig the gauze up to Maidana’s mouth and/or nose. But if it was a dental roll on that gauze, where did it go? You don’t leave it in the fighter’s mouth while he’s fighting. If it was a pill, what pill could possibly take immediate effect or take effect soon enough to be beneficial in the last three minutes of the fight?

Additionally, if Ariza did give Maidana something to inhale, what did he supposedly place on the gauze he was holding in his left hand? Something solid that turned to powder or liquid by the time it was placed up to Maidana’s mouth/nose?

It is possible that Ariza didn’t put anything in the gauze and that he used the thumb and forefinger of his right hand to press the gauze into his left hand has he cupped it so it wouldn’t slip out of his hand as he applied it to Maidana’s face. After all, Ariza was holding cotton swabs in his right hand as well.

It will be very interesting to learn the results of the investigation. I wouldn’t be surprised if they said they cannot determine that an illegal substance was used, but since they can’t make that determination, and that it does appear that Ariza might have given him something, the fight would be considered a no-contest, and a rematch would be ordered. Stranger things have happened in boxing.

But Herron said on his show last night that he heard that a Maidana/Broner rematch is going to happen as an undercard on the Mayweather/Khan fight. So ordering a rematch would be unnecessary.

But I am way jumping the gun. I can’t wait to hear the Texas Athletic Commissions decision.”

See it now? I’m done bickering with you.

Posted December 18, 2013 1:14 pm 


Hidalgo

“(I know this is WAYYYYY over guys heads)”

See what I mean? Mr. Know-it-all. You’re sinking yourself in the mud, SRedmond with every word you type. Shut. Up.

Posted December 18, 2013 1:11 pm 


SREDMOND

Hidalgo, the FACT is that you are VERY inconsistent and I have called you out on your CONSTANT conspiracies time and again…Yet you are suddenly defending this Maidana scenario beyond a shadow of a doubt when you will throw dirt on ANY fighters name you don’t like…. They hypocrisy is VERY evident and its simply being POINTED out…. I don’t blame you for being unhappy that I am noting how you flip flop on these matters but alas its a SERIOUS point of weakness..

Posted December 18, 2013 1:10 pm 


Hidalgo

And yes, SRedmond, before you correct me, I spelled “Einstein” wrong. It was a mere typo, but in your mind it probably had something to do with me not liking Broner, huh?

Posted December 18, 2013 1:09 pm 


Hidalgo

“I’m gonna go with the notion that you DON’T like Broner and thus your stance is really NOT a stance put an agenda that depends on the fighter in question… ”

Your blackness is showing through. Clearly. Therefore, I’m gonna go with the notion that you are a black racist pig who doesn’t like anyone who isn’t black and thus your stance is really NOT a stance but an agenda that depends on whether the fighter is black. Like you.

Posted December 18, 2013 1:06 pm 


Hidalgo

“I have seen you make CRAZY allegations of “refs in pockets” “cheating” ect without the benefit of supporting visual or scientific evidence… I would ask why are you a monument to balance all of a sudden as opposed to the USUAL guy who loves a good “X Files” type of scenario??? I’m gonna go with the notion that you DON’T like Broner and thus your stance is really NOT a stance put an agenda that depends on the fighter in question… AGAIN I accept Broner as having lost period and even if Maidana was taking Rocket Fuel Broner still needs to avoid punches that MANY top boxers would have slipped that evening… But you my friend are showing me some MASSIVE inconsistency…

SRedmond, you are known to be an antagonist that argues with every single person you can on these boards. You challenge everyone. EVERYONE. You drag out arguments and issues until they are way past dead and then you still keep going.

My position on this issue has nothing to do with whether or not I like Broner. What it does have to do with is that I am tired of seeing boxers get ripped off either by crooked refs and judges, the politics that their promoters and others play, or by popular opinion even when it flies in the face of reality, or by sensationalist BS like what is going on right now.

You know squat about me. You often make accusations against me when you clearly did not read my posts or only scanned them to get just enough information to think you have something to throw back in my face. I have advised you on numerous occasions that I didn’t say something you accused me of or that you didn’t read my post, or that you were taking things that I said out of context and molding them to fit your own agenda, which by the way you have been called out for by oh so many posters on these boards.

Example: You just stated that I have made “allegations of ‘refs in pockets.'” I never said any such thing and I challenge you to prove that I did. Those are your words. As for “visual and scientific” evidence, how much more visual than watching a boxing match can visual be? I know when I see a ref favoring one fighter over another. I know when a ref reacts too slow, or takes to long to give a count, or allows one boxer to blatantly foul while he allows little margin to the other.

The problem with you is that you have this imperialistic attitude and you literally think your s*** doesn’t stink and you are NEVER wrong. Ask any number of people on these boards–you’ve been called out for that many times in the past. You think your Einstient rhetoric and attempts at grammatical superiority will subdue others on these boards, but it doesn’t. More often than not you’ve been proven to be full of S-H-I-T, so since you can’t win in any other way, you resort to bashing, and as regards to me, you’ve been doing it to me since the very first time you ever responded to one of my posts.

So get a life! I’m entitle to change stances, to be neutral, to be opinionated, and to be right or wrong. The thing with you is you just won’t shut up. You couldn’t predict the winner of a fight to save your soul yet you are the “expert” on all things boxing. Your opinion is the right one–so you think–and no one else’s matters. Not even a close.

Really, just go back to challenging people to fly out to meet you at Central Park or some other place where in your fantasies you think you are going to clobber them. LOL, really dude, you are some dude.

Posted December 18, 2013 1:03 pm 


SREDMOND

First of all giving Maidana “A masking agent” during the fight would be TERRIBLE science because one of the ways cheaters get caught is the presence of “MASKING AGENTS” which are usually on the banned list.. Had Ariza given Maidana such a substance it would have been at MAXIMUM levels AFTER the fight and a serious red flag (I know this is WAYYYYY over guys heads) if Ariza gave Maidana a drug the only thing that would have efficacy or possibly provide a benefit in such a short window would be a stimulant…. This is why you are not allowed to give fighters Caffeine, Taurine, Guarana, Amphetamines or another other drugs with stimulant properties… I am sure guys would be gulping Red Bulls in the latter rounds if it were legal because these stimulants act RAPIDLY increasing alertness, physical energy and cognitive clarity (fancy word for alertness)…. Reality is that pending blood and urine tests intelligent measured fans will wait and see.. Sitting around trying to assign Maidanas win to Ariza giving him a magic potion is largely naïve, Broner was taken out of his game plan early by the CLASSIC Marcos Maidana fight and he fought back well at times yet could not sustain an offense of defense sound enough to get him the victory…

Posted December 18, 2013 12:35 pm 


SREDMOND

Hidalgo, as stated I have ALWAYS been in the Camp of “Innocent till proven guilty” and having a better than average knowledge of PED usage I don’t subscribe to the theory that juicing guarantees a win when there is NO science to confirm that in boxing.. That said he are REALLY suddenly abandoning your typical stances on conspiracies and fighting like mad to back up the notion that everything was on the up and up? I have seen you make CRAZY allegations of “refs in pockets” “cheating” ect without the benefit of supporting visual or scientific evidence… I would ask why are you a monument to balance all of a sudden as opposed to the USUAL guy who loves a good “X Files” type of scenario??? I’m gonna go with the notion that you DON’T like Broner and thus your stance is really NOT a stance put an agenda that depends on the fighter in question… AGAIN I accept Broner as having lost period and even if Maidana was taking Rocket Fuel Broner still needs to avoid punches that MANY top boxers would have slipped that evening… But you my friend are showing me some MASSIVE inconsistency…

Posted December 18, 2013 12:27 pm 


PEEJ

See I agree with that. Why was he assisting the cut man when there was nothing to assist with. And that has been one of the things about Ariza and even Roach touched on that. He wants to be too involved in the corner. He shouldn’t even be in the corner. Once camp is over he needs to stay home or sit in one of the chairs assigned.

Posted December 18, 2013 12:26 pm 


PEEJ

There are too many twist and story changing on both sides in the Zimmerman case. But what we do no is that Zimmerman is guilty of something. Especially in light of all the stuff that is going on now in his life. But like it was said before, that has nothing to do with boxing.

Posted December 18, 2013 12:24 pm 


Hidalgo

“Ariza had no business wiping anything off the fighters face when there’s a cutman and Garcia doing just fine.”

How do you know. Part of Ariza’s job in the corner is to assist the cut man.

Posted December 18, 2013 12:23 pm 


PEEJ

Problem is if Ariza is in your camp, it always comes down to being about Ariza and not the fighter. Which is terrible.

Posted December 18, 2013 12:22 pm 


Hidalgo

“This is only for people in the United States. Did you believe George Zimmerman was innocent? If you are one of the many people that believed that Zimmerman was innocent I am willing to bet you also believe that Ariza did not give Maidana anything. It was a masking agent Ariza gave Maidana.”

Anonymous, I don’t see what the Zimmerman case has to do with this fight, or how you can derive any conclusions out of juxtaposing the two, but I’ll be happy to answer your question anyways. NO, I didn’t think Zimmerman was innocent. I didn’t think he was guilty either. I DO believe the prosecution did not have enough evidence to prove he was guilty so he was found not-guilty by the jury.

Posted December 18, 2013 12:22 pm 


PEEJ

Unfortunately what we have learned from the Texas Athletic Commission from the past is that they suck. Now I don’t see what some people see. I did see Maidana push his hand away but I have seen that happen with other fighters also. But there was no cut, no blood on Maidana so the real question is why is a strength and conditioning coach assisting the cut man? That is the main question.

Posted December 18, 2013 12:21 pm 


SREDMOND

Ariza being active in Maidanas corner does not mean that something out of order was going on, half these corners are chaos with interpreters, cut men, friends and coaches all giving their 2cents or wiping, massaging, giving water etc..Assuming Maidana passes the appropriate tests the only logical outcome is moving on from this nonsense… Ariza is getting flack because his last fighter was just suspended over the counter or not, now he is seen in some grainy footage looking questionable… Reality is that between kicking guys with Parkinsons, being a disruption in Camps, being too outspoken, Rios, and now this Ariza is on his way to being either kept off the ring apron or pushed to the back of the sport.. AGAIN I am not saying he did anything but he is becoming a lightening rod for controversy…

Posted December 18, 2013 12:19 pm 


Hidalgo

I don’t know, Dimelo73. The more I watch the video, the more I think I do and don’t see certain things. However, Ariza most certainly does wipe the right side of Maidana’s nose, then Maidana pushes his hand away with his glove. That is clearly visible in the video. Watch it again.

I will say that the more I look at the video, the more it appears to me that Ariza is holdinig the gauze up to Maidana’s mouth and/or nose. But if it was a dental roll on that gauze, where did it go? You don’t leave it in the fighter’s mouth while he’s fighting. If it was a pill, what pill could possibly take immediate effect or take effect soon enough to be beneficial in the last three minutes of the fight?

Additionally, if Ariza did give Maidana something to inhale, what did he supposedly place on the gauze he was holding in his left hand? Something solid that turned to powder or liquid by the time it was placed up to Maidana’s mouth/nose?

It is possible that Ariza didn’t put anything in the gauze and that he used the thumb and forefinger of his right hand to press the gauze into his left hand has he cupped it so it wouldn’t slip out of his hand as he applied it to Maidana’s face. After all, Ariza was holding cotton swabs in his right hand as well.

It will be very interesting to learn the results of the investigation. I wouldn’t be surprised if they said they cannot determine that an illegal substance was used, but since they can’t make that determination, and that it does appear that Ariza might have given him something, the fight would be considered a no-contest, and a rematch would be ordered. Stranger things have happened in boxing.

But Herron said on his show last night that he heard that a Maidana/Broner rematch is going to happen as an undercard on the Mayweather/Khan fight. So ordering a rematch would be unnecessary.

But I am way jumping the gun. I can’t wait to hear the Texas Athletic Commissions decision.

Posted December 18, 2013 12:14 pm 


Expert Medical Opinion

@Hidalgo- Why would the cut man need Ariza’s assistance with a man who had no cuts?

Posted December 18, 2013 11:51 am 


SREDMOND

I am willing to give Maidana the benefit of the doubt on this situation but that is consistent with my stances on all these irresponsible an malicious PED allegations going around boxing whenever a guy wins or loses and is on the wrong side of someones pick or preference… I never liked the allegations against Manny from Floyd and others and until you show me a FAILED Blood or Urine test I respect the results in the ring… What I do find INTERESTING is how CONSTANT conspiracy theorists like Hidalgo and others suddenly want to hear NOTHING in regards to a questionable activity by Ariza who’s last fight a few weeks ago resulted in the fighter testing positive for a banned supplement… Personally whatever happened Broners issue was his inability to stop eating the WIDE overhand rights, sneaky and lunging hooks that’s not something a performance enhancer can do… I see ALOT of you saying “Anything Goes” because you HATE Broner that’s a STARK contrast to the “Holier than Thou” accuse before knowing attitude I see when a boxer you don’t favor is being called into question… Imagine if Broner had been possibly caught on video in this manner? Guys would be all over him and certainly NOT swearing on the Bible he is innocent… Again I assume everything is on the up and up until I hear something to the contrary from those duly authorized to investigate but you guys hypocrisy is truly a SAD thing to behold… After EVERY fight Hecdog is digging up a PED claim to explain away a loss, he did this with Marquez and NOW he is doing it with Broner… Can guys like this be taken seriously? Are they offering a balanced view of the issues or going to any length to salvage the reputations of their chosen fighter?? Only an IDIOT cannot see the difference…

Posted December 18, 2013 11:45 am 


PEEJ

Why is Ariza assisting the cut man though? There was not much to work on with Madaina. He wasn’t cut, nose wasn’t bleeding, didn’t look to have any cuts in his mouth. So why was he assisting?

Posted December 18, 2013 11:43 am 


Hidalgo

“Please note that wipe the face is the job of the cut man, as he is the one who is required to tend to any areas which require attention and work to stop the bleeding.”

Ariza is assisting the cut man.

Posted December 18, 2013 11:29 am 


Tomato Can

This isn’t Maidana’s fault. He earned that win. But Ariza’s is a marked man. If anyone see’s him doing anything out of the ordinary, they’re going to call him on it. The investigation, may look into more fights than just the Maidana fight. If they see a pattern with Ariza, this could get interesting.

Posted December 18, 2013 11:13 am 


Tomato Can

Maybe Ariza gave Maidana a masking agant. Maybe he didn’t give him anything. Who knows, that’s for the investigation to determin. I’ll remain nuetral on the matter…

Posted December 18, 2013 11:06 am 


Anonymous

You know what is really amazing? We all are looking at the same thing and seeing something totally different. I want you all to answer a question for me before I go any feather and please be truthful with your self. This is only for people in the United States. Did you believe George Zimmerman was innocent? If you are one of the many people that believed that Zimmerman was innocent I am willing to bet you also believe that Ariza did not give Maidana anything. It was a masking agent Ariza gave Maidana. For those of you that said there is nothing you can give someone that will work that fast then you nothing about real drugs. There are drugs out here that you can take that will knock you out and pick up before before you can count from 10 to onde backwards. Any way this just really F up a great fight by Maidana and Broner. This gave Broner and his people the right to continue acting the fool and to demand a giving Broner back his title.There needs to be nothing more said about this. Put your self in Broner’s shoes look at the video now tell me what you really see.

Posted December 18, 2013 10:36 am 


The Jackal

That was great night for boxing worldwide. Clown got well-deserved beatdown.

Posted December 18, 2013 9:24 am 


Happyboy

2 days time we will know the truth. Ariza had no business wiping anything off the fighters face when there’s a cutman and Garcia doing just fine. This prick is spoiling Maidana’s win with all this nonsense.

Posted December 18, 2013 7:51 am 


norteños@cellblock12

Bl@k mofokers always finding excuses for their lost. Ya got whooped, take it like a man, end of story.

Posted December 18, 2013 7:21 am 


irishny

Anything taken orally takes about 20 mins to take affect, so what would be the point of taken it just before the last round??

Posted December 18, 2013 7:05 am 


pinoy_UK

am not trying to take anything from Maidana but its so obvious that Alex Ariza did put something on the napkin and chino did swallowed it, because as soon as alex place the napkin into chino’s mouth , the view was covered by somebody’s arm ( maybe Garcia ) and then once he got it in his mouth they gave him a drink right away… just sayin ..

Posted December 18, 2013 6:19 am 


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Posted December 18, 2013 5:41 am 


TJ

RE BRONER’S use of the shoulder roll/ philly shell guard….
Broner is about as adept at the shoulder roll as his buddy ANDRE BERTO…
Both men are really awful in its execution.

Floyd uses this by actually rolling his shoulder left or right and not just having it static, or moving it up or down to deflect the blow in conjunction with using his whole body AND great footwork to actually make the roll both a defensive AND an OFFENSIVE weapon.

His right hand catches, parries or blocks any jabs/ double jabs or hooks that come his way AND he MOVES his head either backwards and or left or right…

ANYONE who tries to use this defence MUST use their entire body and not stand flat-footed, with no head movement or use of the upper body or feet to manouevre oneself back or forwards!!!!

Floyd counters brilliantly off of his defence, because he actually WATCHES the punches coming towards him and like a chess player he usually manouevres his opponents into throwing when he wants them to, by letting them see imaginary openings he deliberately shows!!!

How many punches did combination punchers GHOST or CANELO or even SUGAR land???? Hardly any….

These imitators are so poor its laughable and we shouldn’t eventalk about their use of defence as once before I have said they are poor, poorer, porous in its execution!!!!

Posted December 18, 2013 5:37 am 


TJ

IF SOMEHOW ADRIEN BRONER, gets re-instated as champiom, then let’s pray he is forced to faced ONE TIME, KEITH THURMAN.

Whilst not the total all-round fighter, One Time has the power to remove Broner’s turtle head from his shoulders – Dude has no neck!!!

Broner was beaten fair-square and is acting like he won the fight, but cheated in every single round!

Personally, I believe the Money Team are looking real close at AB and wondering if he is worth all the effort and are seriously considering dumping his ***.

I know people say impersonation is a form of flattery, but I am sure Floyd is secretly fed up of Broner copying everything he does, but taking it to that crass-level.

Broner does not have the intellect to use subtlety to keep a large proportion of fans on his side and I predict when he falls from grace there will be a line of thousands ready and waiting to kick him, HARD on his way to the bottom.

How can someone with so much talent waste it so badly and not even have the smarts to realise he is headed for nowheresville real quick?

Posted December 18, 2013 5:26 am 


PAULIE WALNUTS

If a boxer was going to take a pill to help his performance, I would think he’d take it in the dressing room before the fight, thus giving it time to kick in. Somebody help me out here- what round did the alleged pill administering occur?

Posted December 18, 2013 5:19 am 


Auzbox

Ariza put a Valium on him otherwise he would have killed broner the bum, only thing he will be great at is falling down

Posted December 18, 2013 3:42 am 


Expert Medical Opinion

@Hildalgo. Keep mocking my comments- But at least pay closer attention to the words that I am writing. Broner lost- He got embarrassed- He got what under the laws of Karma he deserved for his hubris nature. This article is not about that. It is about the video– Ariza is holding something in his Right hand between the 4th and 5th digits at the beginning of the video. He holds the gauze in his left hand not as if he were going to be wiping the face, but as if he were going to cradle an object. The face which was not dirty around the area in question was wiped by the towel in the hands of another corner man, that is actually held above the head. You do not utilize those gauze being “cradled” by Ariza to wipe the face. Please note that wipe the face is the job of the cut man, as he is the one who is required to tend to any areas which require attention and work to stop the bleeding. This is done by the cut man only so that he can accurate utilize the blood marks on the face to gauge where blood is coming from and how much blood is. Please Note- Ariza does not wipe the area at anytime, he places the dental gauze as he has referred to them, up to the fighters nose, presses it, and then pulls it away. Normally if wiping for blood or other fluid, one would change to a new gauze pad and or at least fold and change to a clean area of the gauze to ensure you are not wiping the nose with the already dirty portion of the gauze you wiped with earlier. Ariza does not do that, he places the “exact” same portion/ area of the gauze to the fighters nose a second, and then a third time. What is Ariza’s specific job- if he is not the cut man, then why would he be responsible for dabbing the nose with little tiny dental gauze- what benefit does that provide for a fighter. The cut man has a big towel wiping the fighter head and eventually his entire face. Ariza’s action and explanation are very suspect.

Posted December 18, 2013 3:08 am 


Jim Rich

Any proof smelling salt would be any benefit to maidana there, really wouldn’t make sense to use something if it wasn’t something that would produce a benefit. Actually I would have to hear the explaination from maidana corner to see if it made any sense. There isn’t any apparent reason why the trainer would put that up to maidana face like that, he wasn’t cut or swollen or anything. And the vaseline they use rubber glove to put that on not gauze, so if the cornor explaination doesn’t make sense then he was probably up to something but how do you prove what it was?

Posted December 18, 2013 2:37 am 


Hidalgo

Well, unless someone has access to a high definition video in which one can clearly see if there is something between Ariza’s fingers, and that he places it on the gauze, there may not be enough evidence to make an absolute determination that Ariza did put something in or on the gauze and give it to Maidana.

Posted December 18, 2013 1:32 am 


Farmboxer

I don’t like Ariza, but he is not stupid enough to try and push a pill up Maidana’s nose right in front of a camera! I have watched the video several times and I can’t find any hint of a pill, plus, if there was a pill, then it would not work within seconds, or three minutes………….Where is all the outrage about the very illegal punch that Broner threw on purpose clearly after the bell? I think that was the reason they were reviving Maidana between the 11th and 12th rounds, plus the doctor was there as well…………..If you were going to take a pill, would you take it right in front of several cameras live on HBO where everyone could see? This is Broner’s “sour grapes”. Broner should be into trouble for the illegal punch after the bell………..

Notice that Cole did everything he could to help Broner, so now the Texas boxing commission will do what Broner tells them to do. What about the urine test after the fight? Did Maidana test positive? NO he didn’t…….Broner hit after the bell, clearly, then the long count in the second round, pushing, elbows, forearms, excessive holding, yet Cole did nothing except take a point away from Maidana, etc., Broner’s punch after the bell IS CLEARLY ON TAPE! I think Broner was helped more than enough during the fight. This is Broner’s crap………….

Posted December 18, 2013 1:25 am 


Hidalgo

“Hildago– Please also note the first time a Garcia fighter has tested positive for a banned substance happened in the Rios/Pac fight. The first time Ariza was in the Garcia camp was for the Rios/Pac Fight.”

Yet Pacquiao never tested positive for any illegal substance in the six years Ariza was with him. But suddenly Ariza is a serial cheater? I doubt it.

Posted December 18, 2013 1:16 am 


Hidalgo

Expert Medical Opinion, Broner got his butt kicked by a better fighter now his team is looking for any out they can. They just can’t swallow this loss. Their golden boy was thoroughly beaten and they refuse to accept it.

As for you, here’s exactly what you said:

“Looks like smelling salt and or something like “Vicks Menthal” cream was placed inside of the cloth and put up to Maidonna’s nose to clear his sinuses alowing him to take deeper breaths of Oxygen,”

You even know exactly what the substance is, right? You’re some genius. And you question why Ariza would wipe the outside of his nose. Fighters usually get their faces cleaned up between rounds.

So I say the same thing to you that you said to me: “Just because you say something, does not mean that your interpretation is correct. You do not hold the only voice.”

Posted December 18, 2013 1:14 am 


Amoe

Ab took an ass whipping but by saying he is done is stupid three time champ not even 25 he has room to grow and grow up

Posted December 18, 2013 1:05 am 


Auzbox

Broner is a loser he will be yesterday’s news now he couldn’t beat shawn porter let alone any good guys

Posted December 18, 2013 12:46 am 


Expert Medical Opinion

@Hildago– Please also note the first time a Garcia fighter has tested positive for a banned substance happened in the Rios/Pac fight. The first time Ariza was in the Garcia camp was for the Rios/Pac Fight.

Posted December 18, 2013 12:44 am 


Expert Medical Opinion

@Hidalgo- You can officially relax, as the comments posted on this site are only opinions and not a part of the official investigation. Your indignation is not warranted nor does it change the possibility that Ariza utilized a substance that has been banned- the investigation will proceed and a conclusion will be rendered. You mentioned that Ariza was wiping the outside of the nose. For what purpose? There was neither blood and or any other fluid outside of the nose that required wiping. The nasal area was clear. Different interpretations of the video can be made, and yours just might hold true- Just because you say something, does not mean that your interpretation is correct. You do not hold the only voice. I am not in favor of either fighter, I am just pointing out the possibility as well as clarifying the issue- Most people on here are saying this issue is a “pill”. The issue is if there was some foreign substance placed on and or inside of the gauze held by Ariza prior to putting it to his fighters nose.

Posted December 18, 2013 12:41 am 


Anonymous

Broner didnt fight nobody he was brash and used the shoulder roll like Floyd but thats about it. As a ameture Floyd sparred with Pernell Whittaker and Frankie Randall and he fought the best out there, Corralez, Manfredy and Castello. Broner didnt fight nobody but cab drivers and was crowned king. He was just exposed thats all. Floyd has been tested even hurt in the ring and fought through it, thats what it takes to be a true champion. Any guy can put together winning streaks against bums. Broner has never proven or tested until Marcos but now that he is exposed guys will be gunning for him. it gets all bad from here because there is a blueprint to bet him. Time will tell how he responds from it will he be bitter or better, He can cry foul or he can lace up his boots and get back to work come back and get better….

Posted December 18, 2013 12:37 am 


SUP YALL

Whats even funnier is that Ariza was in both Marquez’s camp and Maidana’s, both fighters won. But only Marquez gets trashed talked by Pactards with ridiculous accusations of cheating even though he tested CLEAN. Retards……

Posted December 18, 2013 12:34 am 


Anonymous

tmz, lol…

Posted December 18, 2013 12:32 am 


Tomato Can

Hidalgo, I’m sure the investigation will prove you correct. But Ariza’s on the radar now, which probably has a lot to do with this investigation is taking place. Ariza, better watch is P’s and Q’s… lol

Posted December 18, 2013 12:23 am 


Tomato Can

I doubt the investigation will prove anything, but the fact is, a lot people don’t trust Ariza. He fumbled around with the gauze, adding fuel to his non trusted status. So if the investigation prove nothing was illegal was done, than everyone can move on, hopefully..

Posted December 18, 2013 12:19 am 


Charlie Silva

Broner is pathetic, he lost and failed to back up his big mouth. Why don’t they talk about his fake dive, after barely being touched by head butt and looking for DQ, and fought on only after realizing his theatrics were not going to work.
He is a punk. Wanna be Mayweather.

Posted December 18, 2013 12:19 am 


Hidalgo

Maidana is just gulping for air. He even pushes Ariza’s hand away at one point when Ariza is wiping the outside of his nose.

Boy, talk about a witch hunt.

Posted December 18, 2013 12:01 am 


Hidalgo

“Looks like smelling salt and or something like “Vicks Menthal” cream was placed inside of the cloth and put up to Maidonna’s nose to clear his sinuses alowing him to take deeper breaths of Oxygen”

Expert Medical Opinion you ain’t. In the first place you don’t even know if there was anything in that gauze. You’re just speculating.

Posted December 17, 2013 11:58 pm 


Hidalgo

Here’s the thing:

Mike Stafford, Broner’s trainer, feels that Ariza put something in the gauze for Maidana to inhale–I know this because I talked to Mike myself. Mike did not say–at least not when I talked to him–that he suspected Ariza of giving Maidana a pill. He thought he might be giving Marcos something like ammonia or smelling salts (same thing basically) to re-energize Maidana.

But now we got speculation about Ariza slipping Maidana a pill.
Really, this is some silly stuff.

Posted December 17, 2013 11:56 pm 


Hidalgo

“Pac don’t want none of Garcia”

Pac will kick Garcia’s a$$.

Posted December 17, 2013 11:53 pm 


Hidalgo

Here’s the video the investigators should be watching. Where do you ever see anything appearing in Ariza’s hands? It didn’t happen. Also notice that Ariza is doing nothing unusual. He’s just assisting the cut man and tending to his fighter in the corner.

STOP FOCUSING ON JUST THE HANDS AND WATCH ALL OF WHAT ARIZA DOES. THEREIN LIES THE TRUTH.

youtube.com/watch?v=2wqXo4EotQ8&feature=player_embedded

Posted December 17, 2013 11:51 pm 


Hidalgo

The investigation needs to concentrate more on what Ariza isn’t doing than what he’s suspected of doing. Ariza is just fingering the gauze. And in that shot of the clip on the left, he’s wiping the outside of Maidana’s nose, not holding anything up to his nose to inhale, or up to his mouth to give him something. Watch the freakin’ video! The whole thing.

So Ariza finger and thumb LOOKs like he’s holding something between them–can you see anything there? No. and where did he pull this mysterious pill from? The video clearly shows he didn’t pull anything out of hiding. His hands were in the open the whole time.

WTF? It’s BS, but the formal investigation has to happen because Broner’s team filed a formal complaint. But it will lead to a dead end road because nothing happened.

Posted December 17, 2013 11:49 pm 


BLUESMAN

@ Love-the-Sport: LOL classic man! :-)

Posted December 17, 2013 11:09 pm 


Bullsht

Burns would beat him at 135 and others,, forget the weight jump past 140, avoid Matthysse, Garcia, fight pitty pat puncher Malinaggi and scrape a win, Broner is all hype.

Posted December 17, 2013 11:00 pm 


murderman

Broner isn’t overhyped. We just have to keep it in perspective. He belong at 135 or 140. Too small, too short, not enough power, and cant take ww punch. It would be like floyd or pac trying to move up to mw and fight triple g. They are just too small! Hope broner can get his weight under control and fight in a weight class he is better suited for. At ww, he cant beat anyone. Hell he didnt really beat paulie!

Posted December 17, 2013 10:46 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

I bet that sn@ke H@ymon has already instructed one of his gimps to switch up the labels on Maidana’s clean sample with one of Floyd’s three positive ones.

Posted December 17, 2013 10:44 pm 


Posted December 17, 2013 10:44 pm 


Training Day

Lot of money involved for Broner to win, so at the end off the 11th round, what can we do, he is not going to lose the fight in the ring, and with the judges, try and make him test positive for PED after the fight.

Posted December 17, 2013 10:25 pm 


Training Day

A violation is a violation, if it was true it was smelling salts, suppose, does that change the fight, if maidana had not took the smelling salts, he would of gone on to lose the fight, no and that is the truth.

Posted December 17, 2013 10:21 pm 


Expert Medical Opinion

Looks like smelling salt and or something like “Vicks Menthal” cream was placed inside of the cloth and put up to Maidonna’s nose to clear his sinuses alowing him to take deeper breaths of Oxygen, which in a fight around round 11 or 12 would be very helpful in letter a fighter catch his second wind. Look at the video- Ariza places something in the cloth, and places it to Maidonna’s nose- Maidonna smells it and pushes Ariza’s hand away- Ariza instructs him to take a deep breath and he does. Ariza places it to his nose again, and Maidonna pushes it away for a 2nd and then a third time. Smelling salt or sauce forces the sinus. This is considered a banned substance. I do not think that this was a choice by Maidonna, but a part of the bag of tricks that Ariza uses to give advantages to the fighters he trains. Bronner got his but beat, without question, but if this is true- Violation is a Violation.

Posted December 17, 2013 10:10 pm 


Training Day

I would laugh if Azira actually did make Maidana inhale something that would make him test positive for PED, got you now that would be a riddle wrapped up in an enigma.

Posted December 17, 2013 10:09 pm 


Jim Rich

I was kidding earlier of course but really someone said this was between what rounds 11 and 12, really. Boner already lost the fight by this time. Maidana looked off and crude really, boner just stood their and got slapped around all night not really doing much of anything. Maybe he just can’t compete with elite fighters at 147? Wow, well his next fight should be interesting, wonder who he will fight?

Posted December 17, 2013 9:57 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Funny the guys saying Maidana cheated via Ariza are some of the same ones denying that Ariza juiced Marquez to the gills, resulting in his sudden Hulk-like physique in his late 30s and KO of Pacquiao. They’re Floyd fans who are also Broner fans. Either way Maidana demolished Broner from the opening bell, way before Ariza put the cloth to his mouth.

Posted December 17, 2013 9:41 pm 


Clutching at straws

Broner lost against Maidana, deal with it, as if anyone is going to cheat with cameras everywhere, especially when their fighter is winning, anyone who says this has any substance is deluding themselves, Broner lost.

Posted December 17, 2013 9:41 pm 


Floyd XYLOCAINE Mayweather

Nothing against Maidana but Happy that cheat ariza got caught again like a rat.

Ariza #ucked maindan’s effort needlessly,maidana was winning big time, what a fool to have in ur corner.

Posted December 17, 2013 9:24 pm 


Sheriff Joe’s chicken

Pacquioa vs Floyd and his family’s trash talking plus the anticipation of the fight being finally made, would sell even better. Millions…

Posted December 17, 2013 9:23 pm 


Floyd XYLOCAINE Mayweather

Pac vs Garcia plus angel’s trash talk would be a great ppv.

Posted December 17, 2013 9:20 pm 


Anonymous

Manny been called out all the time but he sticks to fighting bums like Rios. Broner lost fair and square Marco didnt need a pill dude hurt Broner with in the first seconds of the fight, And was winning all fight why would they drug a guy winning? It dont make sense. I agree Broner needs to get himself together and come back stonger, And Manny needs to face real competiton Like Floyd Garica or that young boy that just beat Devon Alexander.

Posted December 17, 2013 9:02 pm 


Sheriff Joe’s chicken

JeffC- thank you man. Thats what Im saying too. You think if it was something illegal you would try and hide it better. Fact is that Broner is a sore loser and his team aint helping. Give Maidana the credit he deserves. He won. He put in the work and Broner made mistakes that cost him his “0”. So much for “lil bro”. Maidana to Broner: ” Easy money….”

Posted December 17, 2013 9:00 pm 


JeffC

If Ariza was giving Maidana something illegal don’t you think he would have tried to at least hide it? with millions of people watching, with t.v cameras there to record it, come on give me a break, Broner lost, that’s it,but, to a lot of people not in the ring it’s going to cost them BIG money, so how do they try and get back, claim foul, it’s not the first time a big favorite lost, it won’t be the last, just move on, if Broner is good enough he will come back, if not so be it.

Posted December 17, 2013 8:50 pm 


ADL

It doesn’t matter in the long run. Broner can’t beat A level fighters by imitating Floyds style of boxing because he doesn’t have the skill to execute it. Broner is not a defensive shoulder rolling sharp shooting boxing virtuoso like Floyd and Rigo. He just try’s to imitate the stance, the look. A level fighters will blow right through that Floyd pestering without the skill and turn Broner into nothing but a brawler that gets hit by everything, doesn’t throw many punches and cant adjust. If all you had to do to be as good as Floyd was to imitate his style everyone would do it. They don’t because they know that they cant execute it against A level fighters.

Posted December 17, 2013 8:20 pm 


Love-the-Sport

This is exactly right. Broner is really undefeated. He did not lose. Broner should now absolutely fight Pacquiao and Mayweather and every other elite fighter at 147 because Maidana cheated so therefore Broner really won. Broner is really the champ and he is the dominant fighter at 147.

I am absolutely positive that Broner will dominate everybody at 147.

If there is a rematch with Maidana — Broner would crush him because Broner really won and he is the dominant fighter.

… oh wait … you know what … I might be on crack.

Maybe Broner would get his ass kicked no matter what. Maybe Broner would look and an embarassing fool against Pacquiao or Mayweather or every other elite fighter. Maybe Broner is a fat over-hyped fighter who should really be fighting at 135 if he wasn’t so fat and undisciplined.

Yes. That is true. The crack has worn off.

Posted December 17, 2013 8:15 pm 


Jim Rich

Wow, he’s chasing the dragon, snorting the illegal substance to give him superhuman powers. Wow, caught red handed, snorting that stuff right in front of the camera. Snork! Sniff Sniff!

Posted December 17, 2013 8:06 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Broner and his fans nothing but sore LOSERS. Those are just dental rolls, NOT any sort of pills or smelling salts.

Posted December 17, 2013 8:01 pm 


Jimmy the Corn Cracker

This is a stupid allegation by a sore looser. If Maidana was to take a pill he would do it just before he walked into the ring where nobody would see it. This is stretching the loss to new limits. Grow up Broner, you got your a hole waxed and your clock cleaned.

Posted December 17, 2013 7:52 pm 


Shane

A rematch is very necessary for me…..I want to watch him beat from post to post again. And the “show” he put on was trying to fake his way OUT of the fight. Yeah…what a warrior.

Posted December 17, 2013 7:48 pm 


Hec Dog

Garcia wants no part of the legendary only 8 time division boxing champion, Manny Pacquiao. And garcia never said that he wanted Manny either. I watched his interview. Manny would hurt that boy badly.

Posted December 17, 2013 7:47 pm 


wearerofallthebelts

I don’t see a pill. Besides, what pill is going to make a fighter win a fight? Nothing Maidana did after this point looked superhuman or enhanced in any way. Unlike when Aaron Pryor got a swig from that special bottle against Alexis Arguello in the 80’s…you could see him clearly get a sudden burst of energy. That didn’t happen here. I think this is all BS. I don’t like Ariza either but I don’t see any clear evidence of a pill being administered.

Posted December 17, 2013 7:46 pm 


1-2

No reason to have Ariza in the corner. Garcia and team are way too professional to need his help. That said Broner lost the fight fair and square and no rematch is necessary.

Posted December 17, 2013 7:41 pm 


Carl the Carrot

Sour Grapes by a sore looser. Adrian is a little prick. Shut up Broner, shut the f up!!

Posted December 17, 2013 7:37 pm 


Gus

Broner was rocked in the 1st round and dropped in the 2nd round and nearly stopped many rounds before any Alleged PED ‘ s were administered. Case closed , Broner got his backside kicked and big mouth shut.

Posted December 17, 2013 7:27 pm 


The Prince

By the way, many people claimed Ariza used smelling salts. According to boxing rules, smelling salts are a stimulate and on the anti-doping list.

Posted December 17, 2013 7:25 pm 


The Prince

This is all I asked for. Now if Ariza is proven clean, then congrats to Maidana like I initially said after his victory against Broner. Either way, a rematch is in order, or Broner should move back down to 135 and let “Big Bro” handle it.

Posted December 17, 2013 7:23 pm 


Tachyon

Looks little odd but rematch is what we want see if Broner learned anything . I’m very happy Maidan won but stack skill against skill Broner had the advantage speed and good power he just did not expect Maidana to bum rush him and put the whupp on instead of using his feet and Broner fought Maidana fight and got whupped. Damn good fight no matter how you look at it. Broner was correct he gave the crowd a good show took his medicine and got back up fighting till the end. Rematch Rematch!!!!

Posted December 17, 2013 7:20 pm 


Old Coot

Maidana would probably beat Broner’s ass, no matter what… But this does look REAL fishy! I don’t care what anyone says!!!

Posted December 17, 2013 7:11 pm 


Sheriff Joe’s chicken

Dont be so stupid. You all actually believe this allegation of cheating coming from Broner? Its Broner, that we are talking about. On top of being a loudmouth, now we can all see he is also a SORE LOSER.

Posted December 17, 2013 6:56 pm 


B Red

smelling salts are illegal

Posted December 17, 2013 6:52 pm 


raging bull

Loved watching this 1 gave broner a reality check…although maybe hes not ment for 147 also.. didnt look like maidana was taking a pill more like sniffing smelling salts for focus

Posted December 17, 2013 6:50 pm 


B Red

I hope the allegations arent true

Posted December 17, 2013 6:48 pm 


kc

Can’t say I’ve seen that ever before…. Strange indeed

Posted December 17, 2013 6:47 pm 


Old Coot

Is Garcia serious?… He went 12 with Morales and Judah and he thinks he can handle Pacquiao?!

Posted December 17, 2013 6:40 pm 


Shane

He got his ass whipped from the opening bell. Who cares? He got punked and exposed as one.

Posted December 17, 2013 6:38 pm 


Tachyon

Pretty sure Broner had no clue about this. Fans are the ones that got this ball rolling. Broner had already taken to many shots to the head no way he would have figured this out or looked at the video so close.

Posted December 17, 2013 6:37 pm 


eric

Maybe the same people that thought klitschko was cheated in the brewster match will check it out. Lol

Boner boy you got beat up you sissy, just shut up and move on, for christ sake.

Posted December 17, 2013 6:30 pm 


PEEJ

Pac don’t want none of Garcia

Posted December 17, 2013 6:23 pm 


maracho

Ariza’s response

fighthype.com/news/article15810.html

Posted December 17, 2013 6:16 pm 


Anonymous

is that trainer a ped pusher by any chance. LOL.

Posted December 17, 2013 6:08 pm 


JJ

I hope everything turns out to have been above board. The sport doesn’t need adverse publicity.

Posted December 17, 2013 6:04 pm 


psy

LOL. Stay classy Broner.

Posted December 17, 2013 6:00 pm 


mr gav

I hope this is not true. Was do glAd when broner got his as* whopped

Posted December 17, 2013 5:50 pm 


tmz bull

Tmz is a celebrity gossip what do they know about boxing hiw stupid is this article

Posted December 17, 2013 5:42 pm 


Aljowa

Broner is a joke ,he tried to cheat with his theatrics when he was headbutted…throwing himself on the canvas like he’d been shot ….he’s a worse actor than Bernard Hopkins lol

Posted December 17, 2013 5:41 pm 


Hec Dog

Well gentlemen, let’s see what comes out of this investigation.

Posted December 17, 2013 5:32 pm 


Larryb

How deluded is this little prick. You got schooled son. Accept it and rebuild

Posted December 17, 2013 5:32 pm 



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