Dean-You are formerly known as Zenitram but Ward embarrased YOU into changing your name . I am the Top Prophet of Boxing. I TOLD you 5 YEARS ago that Ward would make Top 5 P4P and make YOU go into hiding and I MY prediction came to FRUITION. No matter how many names YOU come UP with and YOU DOcome UP with a LOT of them which is QUITE entertaining for ME but the FACT remains that Floyd is the KING and Ward is the PRINCE of Boxing. YOU may need to go to SLEEP for a while like Rumpelstiltskin IF yyou would like for that to no longer be TRUE. SEE you in a few more YEARS when the KING retires and the PRINCE takes over Throne.Posted January 9, 2014 6:17 pm
TARK-YOU know what I mean. YOU gave Trout the edge over Lara PRIOR to the bout. We all KNOW that you’re one of the BEST POST Fight analysts. But PRE Fight alot of time you SUCK. That’s why I’m HERE. I am the BEST PRE Fight analyst ever born. IF you had Lara WINNING by 13 points after the Fight then you were 14 points OFF PRIOR to the Fight. But you’re SO GREAT post Fight that you smartened UP and agreed with ME on MY pick…..after the Fight.Posted January 9, 2014 6:08 pm
Well I verbally SPANKED Hissydalgo SO let me move on to BEARS. BEARS get you some understanding SKILLS. Why can’t you understand that Floyd is the only man in the ENTIRE History of Boxing to defeat 5 Top 10 P4P Fighters in a 7 Fight Span??? Its hard for ME to believe TOO. Its THAT unbelievable!! Roy Jones Jr. didn’t even beat 5 Top 10 P4P Fighters in his LIFE. And neither DID Pacquiao. WOW!!! Floyd is the Undisputed GOAT. And having a gut busting guffaw won’t change it.Posted January 9, 2014 6:03 pm
“So I blew Kovalev/Cleverly and Trout/Lara. You blew Malignaggi/Judah, Broner/Maidana, Pacquiao/Rios, and Marquez/Bradley. You were also wrong about Rigondeaux/Donaire, ”-LMFAO. I’m SO GREAT that even when you try to name all of MY LOSSES some of MY WINS slip in there!! I SAID that IF Rigo followed MY advice instead of following through with what he stated he would DO in the lead UP to the Fight he would WIN and I was CORRECT yet again! Also I was JOKING when I took Rios over Pacquiao. DUMB DUMB. Rios was a #0 P4P NON CHAMP which is what Pacquiao FEASTS on. Clottey, Margarito, Mosley, and De la Hoya agree with ME on that….YOU are SO focused on MY picks that you even put your own LOSSES down as you picked Broner TOO. NO bragging rights for YOU on THAT one. You’re embarrassing YOURSELF. You should have skipped listing that one. LMFAOPosted January 9, 2014 1:38 am
“the difference between me making a wrong prediction and you making a wrong prediction is that you make an AZZ out of yourself on a regular basis”-Nope. NICE guess though. The difference IS that no one expects YOU to get them right anyway while I get them right ALOT. In FACT I’ve gotten SO many right and smoked SO many Victory Cigars that I need to get checked out for LUNG cancer…ANOTHER difference is that you make some of the WORST predictions on the planet. Cleverly over Kovalev??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!! I STILL get a KICK out of that one. Trout over Lara??? LMFAO. Stop sucking TARK’s balls. I’ve TOLD you that Trout wasn’t all that when you were touting Canelo’s WIN over him but you’re missing the half of your brain that is needed to LISTEN.
Anyone that picked Cleverly over Kovalev has been DISQUALIFIED from the Boxing discussion. I even told you WHY Kovalev would make him WILT and you STILL picked Cleverly. You need to stick to reading comic books. Reality is out of your grasp.Posted January 9, 2014 1:30 am
Actually Bears the way I see it is that Guerrero couldn’t do squat against an injured Mayweather, and some people are still trying to boost Guerrero as a credible opponent for Mayweather? Besides that, if Floyd would have fought any safer, he wouldn’t even have been in the ring. Floyd always does just enough to get by. Unless he can get in a couple of lucky sucker punches.Posted January 8, 2014 9:43 pm
tumbos nuthuggery is old. between claiming mathyse was outclassed by garcia and guerrero showed his greatness by the degree to which he was unscathed against the hand injured mayweather dudes a chump.
then belittling the fireworks kid canelo biatch please. the 23 year old kid is on the list of most entertaining fighters. guys like 3g, canelo, mathyse, kovaelv, klitschko, adonis, pacman, provodnikov, donaire use to be on it, haye could do it, jennings and wilder deserve honorable mention, stiverne might end up being able to crack catsPosted January 8, 2014 5:15 am
te tumbo talked up guerrero i mean you can pretty much start and stop there. omitting the fact that floyd injured his hand. I have never seen someone try to polish the turd that is guerrero until tumbo recently and boxtradamus trying to rationalize him and bs a p4p ranking from ring. i guess anything to nuthugg mayweather with these two. they will attempt to polish turds. to try and sell the biggest fraud boxing match/ fight of the last decade, mayweather vs guerreroPosted January 8, 2014 4:59 am
TARK, you gushed all over Canelo prior to his bout v. Floyd. at the time, i even cited your gushing as my primary concern for Alvarez. NObody is that good v. Mayweather and your gushing only bolstered this belief.
“I predicted he would not fight Lara …”(?). predicted(?). that’s no prediction just a logical conclusion considering Lara’s total lack of marketability due to the total lack of a signature win v. an elite opponent. moreover, he struggled mightily v. 9/1 underdog Molina coming off of a two-year layoff and a plodding Angulo. in fact, Lara fighting Williams, Hearns, Vanes, Angulo, and Trout should give you an idea of how determined he is to avoid Molina. Btw, Molina owns a title. Lara still doesN’T.
i confidently predicted Martinez’s KO of Williams. “clocked and timed” is how i described his fight-plan for their rematch. i recall the exact opposite of all the flaws you’re now claiming dominated your analysis of Williams who you had pegged as the next dominant welter/jr. middle in the sport for all of the right reasons that turned out to be wrong.
“I always said Guerrero was no match for Floyd” and which credible fight-fan didn’t? C’mon(?!). that’s a facile example of your prognosticating ability.
“As far as Marquez-Pacquiao” I confidently predicted the “W” for III and the KO for IV. never mind the obvious over-analysis. we’ve all become used to seeing the bulked-up version of Marquez but i was startled by that version when i saw it in person for the first time just one week before III. combined with Marquez’s fierce desire and demonstrated fighting ability, i confidently concluded that he would be the greater fighter between him and Pacquiao*.
“I never said Lara would beat Floyd either. But he’s the best matchup out there and Floyd will not fight him. Too tough a fight”. EVERY fight for Floyd at 154lbs has been tough. also, there is no “best matchup” for Floyd at 154lbs. only hard-earned paydays for the #1 P4P Floyd who can still win, if not dominate, barely above 147lbs.
Btw, “flavor of the month” was not my comment.Posted January 8, 2014 3:34 am
Box you are the bonehead of boxing. I think you know more about selling rocks than you do your goofy boxing comments. Your head is so deep dumpweather ass , I believe you believe he actually worth a wet penny.Posted January 8, 2014 3:20 am
Boxtra… I didn’t “Edge Lara over Trout.” I had Lara winning by 13 points.. Based on landing more scoring punches I had Trout beating Canelo by a point — but I would have no problem with a close decision in favor of Canelo.. The fight was close but 2 of the scores weren’t representative of what happened.. The other score was fine with me.. I had no problem with Saul being matched with Floyd.. It was the biggest box office attraction in history.
The deal is Lara is getting better. He earned a Canelo fight with his domination of Trout. He’s not going to get the fight. I’m anxious to see what opportunities Lara gets out of this. Danny Garcia got a clear victory over Matthysse. Let’s see what he gets out of it.
A Floyd fight for either one??? You’re dreaming if you think so.Posted January 8, 2014 2:21 am
boxtradamus- i dont understand how u laud floyd with the p4p opponent praise. i think your actually trying to talk up floyds opponents in a creative way because when u start saying there names people laugh at what a joke it is. like guerrero and ortiz. even when some people had them ranked like ring them fuys have never in their life p4p anything but garbage. now please start bragging about floyds opponents but be sure to drop such names as ortiz and guerrero so people can have gut busting guffaw at your expense. thank youPosted January 7, 2014 10:55 pm
Who wants to see him? Guerrero vs Mundine! A who cares fight.Posted January 7, 2014 8:43 pm
“For those WHO are close to as ASTUTE as I AM ..”
See what I mean? Boxtra$$wipe making a fool of himself. AGAIN.Posted January 7, 2014 8:40 pm
“Hissydalgo took Trout over Lara TOO putting himself on the WRONG end of two Top level LOPSIDED LOSSES.”
AGAIN, Boxtradodo, the difference between me making a wrong prediction and you making a wrong prediction is that you make an AZZ out of yourself on a regular basis by making so many wrong predictions. You brag and flap your lips all the time about what an incredible fight prophet you are. I never do that. Yet you messed up miserably last year. I already listed four big fights last year that you predicted wrong on. That was ONLY some of your lame-AZZ predictions.
So no matter how much you try to bring me down to your level of stupidity and ridiculousness, it ain’t never gonna happen.
Pile your BS as high and as deep as you like. You’re still buried in it.
So I blew Kovalev/Cleverly and Trout/Lara. You blew Malignaggi/Judah, Broner/Maidana, Pacquiao/Rios, and Marquez/Bradley. You were also wrong about Rigondeaux/Donaire, and that’s just to name SOME of your stupid picks.
I can smell you from here.Posted January 7, 2014 8:37 pm
Herron SAYS that stats are a load of caca. And he is CORRECT when speaking about Amateurs like HIMSELF who can’t interpret Boxing stats any BETTER than they can interpret Japanese… For those WHO are close to as ASTUTE as I AM the stats mean ALOT. The stats helped ME to realize that Trout would be NO match for Lara. The hit and not get hit Compubox stats SAID that Lara was the 3rd MOST SKILLED Fighter in the Sport going into the Trout Fight. The stats and the result of the Fight agreed with ME on MY pick.
But Lara still has a ways to go to catch Floyd. For one he’s not as QUICK. Floyd’s level of opposition is GREATER yet his hit and not get hit numbers almost TRIPLE Lara’a. WOW! Floyd is BETTER than the next two Boxers behind him COMBINED. (Ward and Lara)
Lara (20%) is also Top 3 in pure Defense behind Rigo (16%) , Floyd (18%), and Chemito Moreno (18%)
(Opponents connect rate)Posted January 7, 2014 6:27 pm
TARK forgot to state that he edged Trout over Lara. SO in HIS book Canelo should have rematched Trout before facing Lara. I was one of the few that SAID that Lara was CLEARLY BETTER than Trout and I was CORRECT. Hissydalgo took Trout over Lara TOO putting himself on the WRONG end of two Top level LOPSIDED LOSSES. But picking Cleverly over Kovalev still takes the CAKE.
AS far a Danny Garcia goes I had to point out to Herron (WHO must be on vacarion) and Old Yank as they were on here LAUGHING and GIGGLING saying that Garcia did NOT have the tools to beat Matthysse, that Garcia did INDEED have the tools to defeat Matthysse. I TOLD them that Danny’s left hook can hurt ANYONE from 147 and down. Erik Morales FLAT LINED for a couple of minutes after tasting that Left hook PIE. This is the same Morales that was more competitive vs Maidana than Broner was and he handled Maidana’s power BETTER than Broner DID but he couldn’t handle that SWIFT Left Hook.
And this is the same Danny Garcia that Mikey Garcia defeated in the Amateurs. As I stated long AGO Mikey Garcia is Top 5 in the Sport and the EXPERTS will soon agree with ME on that IF they don’t already.
I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!Posted January 7, 2014 6:04 pm
“This is blatantly untrue. Who else has Guerrero fought after Floyd? No one.”-Exactly. And I THANK you for helping ME to prove MY point. No one knocked Guererro off the list except Floyd. Floyd knocked Mosley off the list TOO. While some Fighters are wasting time cleaning out Divisions Floyd is cleaning out the Top of the ENTIRE Sport. WOW!!! 5 Top 10 P4P opponents defeated in his last 7 Fights!! WOW! WOW! WOW! No one in the ENTIRE History of Boxing can match it! How GREAT it IS to be alive during the THIS era to witness the GOAT. SUCH a blessing.Posted January 7, 2014 5:49 pm
That’s total BS Tumbot… I’m not a flavor of the month guy. I always said Floyd was the GOAT but I want to see him face better fighters.
The only thing I said about Canelo was he would go the distance with Floyd and lose the decision.. I never said he would beat Floyd.. I disputed Floydiots like Sredmond, who was saying, “Floyd will shred, paint, and KO Canelo” etc. That was never going to happen. I said the fight would break all revenue records. Before the fight I said Canelo looked severely parched and weight drained. I was disappointed with his effort. He didn’t do much, but he never was close to being stopped or knocked down. He can box and punch.
I predicted he would not fight Lara … and I predict that matchup will not be made for years. Lara is not my flavor of the month, but he’s stepping his game up big time. Canelo fighting Angulo instead of Lara gives you and idea of how Lara’s being avoided right now. It’s going to be tough for Lara to get the right fights from here on, just like Rigondeaux. As far as anyone getting decked? That’s never a career ender. Getting iced could be the end.
I always said Paul Williams didn’t have a jab, straight left, a good stance, or a good defense. I never said anything different and was never high on him. I said Martinez had a good chance to KO him because he was stronger and a much better puncher.
I always said Guerrero was no match for Floyd and should be a much bigger underdog than he was. When Hecdog put his money on RG to beat Floyd I told him it was the biggest chump bet ever.
As far as Marquez-Pacquiao, I consistently said Marquez was the better technical fighter had the advantage the longer a series went. I also said he won all 3 previous fghts on my scorecard. However, Pacquaio is a very good fighter, and a better style matchup for Floyd than anyone he has met to date. I never said he would beat Floyd, but like everyone else, I would love to see that fight. Floyd would have problems with his speed, angles of attack, right hook, and ticky combinations
I never said Lara would beat Floyd either. But he’s the best matchup out there and Floyd will not fight him. Too tough a fight.
I said Garcia was underrated vs Matthysse and the fight would go 12. Most were saying Garcia would get KO’d. He was not my flavor of the month either — and I always said Danny doesn’t have a finished jab… He’s not a complete fighter yet but his speed, timing, strength, and power would give Floyd fits.Posted January 7, 2014 5:49 pm
bears bang on my son.Posted January 7, 2014 3:53 pm
u just took my term of beast gave it your own definition calling it a legend then told me who u think defines your term legend at a young age. yeah canelos a beast and if u have been reading the threads since yesterday u will c others have said the same. yeah i think canelos a beast son and fireworksPosted January 7, 2014 3:53 pm
Tumbo’s vision’s still clouded with Mayweather colored glasses. LOLPosted January 7, 2014 2:58 pm
I don’t think anybody cares.Posted January 7, 2014 2:01 pm
tumbo’s a dummy if he is down talking cAnelo. dude will flip flop when canelos greatness is undeniable then we willsee him stfu to the people that called it and not say a word like biatch.Posted January 7, 2014 8:29 am
The ghost should stay a ghost, try golfingPosted January 7, 2014 2:54 am
Come on Guerrero come back so that you can get your ass beat, No skill dude all you do is hit and hold. Hold these nutsPosted January 7, 2014 2:40 am
@WW Guerrero would own Rios.Posted January 7, 2014 1:49 am
Ur right beating Berto doesnt necesarilly make you a great fighter, but winning world titles at featherweight, super lightweight, lightweight, and then skipping a weight division n winning an interim title to be able to challenge the lb for lb fighter of the decade has to account for somethingPosted January 7, 2014 12:39 am
Robert had to deal with the legal bs of transporting a pistol through the peoples republic of nyc. what a fruit place.Posted January 6, 2014 11:44 pm
Beating Andre Berto does not make you a good fighter. I don’t know why people like to give credibility to fighters who beat Berto. Just to think… if that earthquake never would have happened in Haiti Shane Mosely would have destroyed Berto and that would have been the end of him and no wasted PPV for Mayweather Ortiz, or Guerrero. Where is the boxing terminator when you need it!Posted January 6, 2014 11:09 pm
I mean maybe he just wants to be with his wife who needs rest from stressPosted January 6, 2014 9:57 pm
wifePosted January 6, 2014 9:54 pm
Floyd Xylocaine Mayweather
Yup.Posted January 6, 2014 9:35 pm
you actually found it? (lol) well, you’re a more dedicated poster than me. like i said, i don’t feel particularly proud of correct picks or particularly disappointed by incorrect picks. i’ve been too surprised by both to take much credit for either. IMO, simply picking and cheering for my favorites is the entire appeal of Boxing along with every other sport.Posted January 6, 2014 8:23 pm
Te Tumbo, I found your pick for the Malignaggi/Judah fight on a thread for a Dec. 6 article before the fight. You said:
“Malignaggi over Judah. expecting two consecutive impressive performances from Judah these days is unlikely and i think Malignaggi is the hungrier of the two.”Posted January 6, 2014 7:47 pm
TARK, note that your praise of Williams and Pacquiao* resulted in the #1 and #2 KOs in Boxing history, respectively. Btw, my primary reservation in favor of Canelo v. Floyd was YOU being so Damn and unrealistically high on Canelo. way too unproven to merit the praise you heaped upon him, which reminded me of your unrealistic praise of Chambers, Williams, and Pacquiao* before their demolitions v. truly great fighters. once again, you need to SERIOUSLY revise your rubric for assessing fighters. tested, proven, and otherwise, because you’ve missed some glaring limitations in your gushing praise of fighters whose greatness you imagine before it’s actually realized.Posted January 6, 2014 7:43 pm
“You’re the guy who kept drooling over the idea Rios would KO Pacquiao…” TARK, “drooling” is an overstatement. more like anticipating a KO or TKO IF Pacquiao* had actually engaged and exchanged v. Rios. otherwise, Marquez satisfied and exceeded any “drooling” desire to watch Pacquiao* planted butts-up and face-down into the ring canvas. instead of receiving another gift scorecard nod, which we both know was a foregone conclusion going into this bout. Btw, despite your description of Rios as a “punching bag”, Pacquiao* didn’t land many if any impressive punches or deliver a PPV-worthy performance for his return from napland. in fact, how many times have you replayed the Rios v. Pacquiao* bout? whatever your response (zero?), i’m certain that it’s less times than you’ve replayed any of Marquez’s bouts v. Pacquiao*. particularly, his final, decisive, and rivalry-ending KO of Pacquiao*. meanwhile, there is ZERO suspense regarding a Pacquiao* matchup v. Floyd. something that seemed to finally sink in following the scorecard robbery of Marquez for III. after which, you sheepishly tried to revise your ATG assessment of St. Pacquiao*. Garcia is also not on Floyd’s level. not a knock on Garcia who is only second to Floyd in welterweight legitimacy but he’s a jr. welter and never faced somebody even remotely comparable to Mayweather. there is also no welter functionally “bigger” than Floyd. in fact, there may be no jr. middle functionally bigger than Floyd. “As far as Lara is concerned…” he struggled mightily v. Molina and Angulo(?!?) who was essentially stumbling forward for an imminent KO or TKO win before having to bow out. Lara remains a prominent “?”, period. meanwhile, Guerrero may be campaigning above his optimal fighting weight but he’s also a gritty, experienced, and skilled southpaw boxer-puncher whose never avoided a Fight. some of you newbies describe Guerrero as if his first pro bout was against Aydin(?!). in fact, many of you favored Berto over Guerrero. i was confident otherwise. Guerrero also emerged virtually unscathed v. #1 P4P and undefeated Mayweather. unlike an equally gritty Gatti (RIP) who actually was transformed into a punching bag before having to collapse in a defeated heap. bottomline, Guerrero remains competitive if not favored v. ANY welterweight out there. i suggest that you actually watch some of the bouts i’ve mentioned. that way your “expert” analysis will be firmly grounded in reality not just your vivid imagination, e.g., do you still recall declaring the greatness of Eddie Chambers? Paul Williams? St. Pacquiao*? even while denigrating the likes of Ali, Hagler, and Hearns? (lol) . . . C’Mon?!?Posted January 6, 2014 6:47 pm
“You, Boxtradamus, te tumbo . . .” HIDALGO, nonsense. i was on record as anticipating another Judah wilt, fold, and/or meltdown. i haven’t been high on Judah since he lost to Baldomir and have consistently questioned why he continues to be wedged into the title picture by the powers that be. stop being a lazy poster and please do your homework before calling me out.Posted January 6, 2014 6:22 pm
If Floyd fought Pacquiao… Garcia… and Lara… He’d blow every PPV mark to smithereens… He won’t fight them though — likes that O.Posted January 6, 2014 5:57 pm
Guerrero was bought in as the icing on the cake….sweet easy victory for Floyd, nothing too difficult, you know, he can’t risk losing that sacred “0.” But for his troubles, that fight only sold 850k….300K more than Pacs last fight, not that huge of a difference. Floyd’s last fight you thinking? Well, that one was due to Canelo. Floyd no longer has another Canelo in his future to raise ppv so expect to start scrounging around for some one that may appear as a legitimate opponent.Posted January 6, 2014 5:52 pm
B Red says.., “Kovalev ducked Bhop to face Cleverly, and Triple G is ducking Ward, ya dig”
Hopkins refused to negotiate in good faith… Hopkins wouldn’t even fight Cleverly when that fight was offered.. B-Hop is not talking about fighting Kovalev now is he??? Hell NO!!! Kovalev is talking Stevenson and Stevenson is talking Hopkins… B-Hop won’t fight either to save his life — and Adonis won’t fight Kovalev.
The Golovkin-Ward fight is in the future…
GGG has to unify at 160 to get the same prestige as AW. In another year or so, if it becomes abundantly clear no unification fight can be had at 160, he’ll move up and fight Ward.. First it would be smart to unify 160.Posted January 6, 2014 5:41 pm
Yeah I don’t think he earned a shot neither but I think it is the fight he took because he had just got out of jail. His next fight made up for that when he fought Canelo. A fighter that many people said he would never fight, until of course the fight was made. Then Canelo was all of a sudden cherry pickedPosted January 6, 2014 5:41 pm
TJ, I didn’t mean to insinuate you had any agendas. That wasn’t the thinking in my head.
But I do believe Guerrero’s name has more unqualified clout simply because he “fought” Mayweather. As for Aydin, he was undefeated in 23 fights before Robert fought and beat him and took his Interim title. Senchenko, on the other hand was undefeated in 32 fights, and was the WBA welterweight champion when Paulie handed him his first loss. But as with Senchenko, it wasn’t that anyone especially feared Aydin, it’s just that no one of note really cared to fight him. You know how the politics of boxing goes.
So if Guerrero earned a shot at Mayweather just by beating Berto and Aydin, then Paulie Malignaggi has deserved that shot for a number of years and long before Guerrero ever did. I reiteriate: Guerrero did not deserve the fight with Mayweather. We were all just led to believe he did.Posted January 6, 2014 5:18 pm
TJ says.., “I strongly support the way boxers did it back in the day (up until the late 80′s) when challengers fought for their rankings and mandatory challengers would be guaranteed their shot and we only had the odd SUPERFIGHT (which was a superfight)”
Lenoard-Duran II; Leonard-Hagler; Hagler-Duran; and Ali-Holmes weren’t my idea of superfights. Superfights are often fought years late … and superfights that are actually superfights are a rarity.
And I guess you weren’t around back in the day… Patterson avoided Liston for 6 years… Foreman never fought Holmes… Ali fought unranked Leon Stinks instead of Holmes… Frazier said no to Lyle, Shavers, Blue Lewis, and every big tall banger except Foreman… Leonard fought Donny Lalonde instead of Michael Nunn or Mike McCallum… Nino Valdes beat Ezzard Charles to become number one contender in 1953 but Marciano fought Charles… When Bob Baker beat Valdes in a “title elimination” fight Al Weill said “They eliminated each other.” Ray Robinson fought Joey Maxim but refused to fight a rematch … and refused to fight Archie Moore.
Top fighters were always duckers… If they don’t like a certain style or a certain fighter, they put that fight off as long as possible. In many cases they never fight that guy at all. The guys on top are supposed to fight the best. They do if they think they can beat them … If they don’t they won’t.
Boxing is the only sport where you don’t necessarily get a deserved opponent.Posted January 6, 2014 5:00 pm
Brandon St. Randy
Should go to show the type of fighters Mayweather is interested in!Posted January 6, 2014 4:46 pm
Either Khan or Guerrero would be a good test for Broner since he (Broner) has said he’ll win another 147 title. He should prove he’s worthy by first beating someone like one of these guys.
Other than that, neither Guerrero, Khan nor Broner deserve a title fight.Posted January 6, 2014 4:17 pm
JUST TO MAKE things clear I don’t rate RIOS (at all), I don’t rate GHOST highly either, but I am 99% sure that I debated with you re AMIR KHAN getting a shot at Maywrether (via the back door).
You wrote that fighters should remain busy….
Well, let’s look at Queue-Jump Khan….
Khan’s last 2 bouts were against blown up lightweights in MOLINA and KIDD DIAZ…. He easily beat Molina and then went life and death with the blown up and ancient Diaz who had him on the floor and bullied him over the last 5 rounds (I scored that bout a DRAW)…
Let’s forward wind and it is now EIGHT LONG months since KHAN last fought and in that time KHAN used smoke and mirrors to let the whole world believe he would be facing DEVON ALEXANDER, only to duck out of that match in favour of a chance vs MAYWEATHER.
So, HIDALGO in your own words Queue-Jump has NOT been busy at all. He has, like he always does – tried to be THE LAST MAN STANDING, by default (letting all the other guys beat each other)….
How can you advocate Khan getting a acrack at the top table and yet you baulk at GHOST wanting a shot at the top table????
At least Guerrero has beaten 2 top Welterweights…. Has Khan???? Has RIOS??????
As for CANELO, he is doing an AMIR KHAN and calling out names he knows are unavailable… Why does he not target LARA or ANGULO????
He can definitely defeat the most boring of champions in MOLINA, but he would have to take a serious cut in pay in order to do so!
I will not be surprised if Alvarez hasn’t stepped foot back in a gym yet either!!!!Posted January 6, 2014 12:34 pm
guerrerro is a pressure fighter & fights toe to toe & has a great chin most fighters dont want to fight him coz high risk of loosing against him thats why hes not getting a fight easily including pacman is avoiding guerrerro for the same reasonPosted January 6, 2014 12:27 pm
Sorry. I made a typo. I meant to write Rios will only be the B side of any future promotions a year from now. I have never rated BAM BAM in or out of the ring. He is just too dumb for his own good.Posted January 6, 2014 12:24 pm
HIDALGO, THE FACTS are Robert Guerrero beat 2 World rated Welterweights and if I remember correctly, Aydin was ranked 1 or 2 when Guerrero beat him by the WBC….
Rios had never fought a Welterweight, just like AMIR KHAN has never fought as a Welterweight and then gets the nod for a bout at the top table.
Guerrero’s momentum was that he had just clobbered Berto all over the ring (yes, he gave a good impression of B-Hop in there) and more impressively he outfought the tough Turk Aydin, who most fighters did not want to face.
Rios IMHO has never been and will never be much more than a glorified club fighter who will end up with pugilistic dementia before he hangs up the gloves.
He has had rings boxed round him by every half decent boxer he’s faced. Just look at Alvarado for an example.
Sorry, Hidalgo. No agendas here.
If you read my post I said we deserve every one of these fights we get, because we glorify anyone with a so-called story and don’t actually look at their resumes.
Rios will not even figure in the top fights a year from now – unless he is the N side of the promotion! Sorry, Hidalgo, but as some poster said before RIOS is garbage.Posted January 6, 2014 12:21 pm
perfect for modern boxing. a complete hype job.Posted January 6, 2014 12:11 pm
Keith Thurman called out Guerrero but Guerrero turned it down and said he wanted to fight the maidana/Broner winner.Posted January 6, 2014 11:43 am
There is no deserving of a Pac fight. Especially when you are coming off 2 losses. They are just looking for a comeback fight to make Pac look good and apparently they found one.Posted January 6, 2014 11:41 am
Rios had a better outing in his lost before getting in the ring with Pac. Guerrero did nothing in his lost so how is he deserving of a Pac fightPosted January 6, 2014 11:38 am
Robert is garbage ..I wouldn’t want to see his sloppy ass in the ring no wayPosted January 6, 2014 11:27 am
This is Guerreros MO. He fights a fight or 2 then doesn’t fight for a year or so. Then wonders why he can’t get certain fights or why he hasn’t had certain fights.Posted January 6, 2014 10:47 am
“GUERRERO is far more deserving of a match with Pac than BAM BAM ever was… He fought his way through two tough Welters in BERTO & AYDIN to get his shot and heck, CANELO has made no signs of a comeback either.”
TJ, it looks more like you’re only saying Guerrero is more worthy of a match with Pac simply because he’s fought Mayweather. Without that match, the hype and his false rating as a top 10 P4P fighter, I bet you wouldn’t be lauding him so much as you do now. Guerrero got lucky and got a fight with Floyd but even though he has quickly plummeted from the P4P list, just because he fought Floyd he’s more worthy? Amazing how such a dominant loss deems worthiness.
What exactly is or was there for Robert to take stock of after pulling in a $3 million payday in losing to Floyd? This is a man who was absolutely certain God had chosen him to beat Floyd. Remember that? Delusioned is a better word for describing Robert Guerrero. I’m not delusional at all.
So Robert lost to Floyd Mayweather Jr. Who hasn’t? What’s so ground-shattering about that that the great Robert Guerrero can’t grasp? Besides that, other boxers are fighting regularly and working very hard, consistently, for a hard-earned title shot. Robert’s been out cruising. Like I said, he ain’t no FMJ, so let him fight one or two more top welters. If he beats them, then line him up with another title shot. But don’t give it to him based on his past fluff.
Most of the upper level boxers fight only two times a year nowadays, even when they’ve had an easy match. Name one other major popular sport where the atheletes compete only twice a year. MMA is about it. So I’m not cutting Guerrero any slack for not fighting for eight months, when all he got was a thorough boxing lesson.
As for Canelo making no signs of a comeback that is completely wrong. Canelo fought Floyd just barely four months ago and he’s already been in the news in preparation for his next bout. That’s what you do after losing to Mayweather–keep fighting!
BTW, if Guerrero proves me wrong, I’ll eat my words. But I don’t think he will.Posted January 6, 2014 10:27 am
“He would beat Rios and Mailinaggi ”
I didn’t say Rios would beat Guerrero, Tark. I said throw them in the ring together and it would be a good fight. I don’t think Guerrero can beat Brandon without holding on to him for twelve rounds or staying away from him for twelve rounds. Brandon’s a slugger. He’ll be after Robert all night long.
As for him fighting Paulie, well I’m sure you know I’m going to disagree with you every time. You, Boxtradamus, te tumbo, and a host of others were certain Paulie would lose to Judah. I knew Paulie would beat him because Zab couldn’t outbox him. Neither can Robert.
But there’s an interesting thought: Who will Paulie’s next fight be with?Posted January 6, 2014 10:05 am
Guererro should fight Madiana.. i think Maidana will winPosted January 6, 2014 10:01 am
“correction: otherwise, there is no questioning Guerrero’s demonstrated boxing skills and hard-earned creds without sounding clueless.”
This is BS te tumbo. He couldn’t beat Berto without holding onto him all night. And over his last four fights, Berto has proven he ain’t that big a deal. So what’s that make Robert?
Certain people go on about Guerrero’s “four titles” but the only important one he has ever earned was his IBF Featherweight title. He won that back in 2004 and gave it up in 2008 when he moved up in weight.
Guerrero is no slouch but he’s no superstar and he’s not as hot as you make him out to be. GBP and Floyd wanted him to be Floyd’s next opponent–on Cinco de Mayo–because Floyd would be fighting a Mexican-American on a Mexican holiday. No coincidence. This is a guy Floyd picked–he picked him for money–not because he was anything special.Posted January 6, 2014 10:00 am
“Guererro was knocked off the P4P list by Floyd.”
This is blatantly untrue. Who else has Guerrero fought after Floyd? No one. So How could one man knock him off the P4P list? Even if it’s Floyd? But how did Guerrero get on the list in the first place? Same ridiculousness. Like I said, Guerrero never belonged on it in the first place.Posted January 6, 2014 9:43 am
“He gets hit with everything and a lot of the top welterweights would beat the living crap out of him…Obviously Paulie wouldn’t…”
I agree Tark. And no, Paulie wouldn’t beat the living crap out of him. But he’d beat him.Posted January 6, 2014 9:41 am
“Paulie would lose every rnd to Guerrero.”
No he wouldn’t Anonymous. Paulie just handily beat Zab Judah, the same Zab Judah that Danny Garica struggled with. I was one of the few people on these boards who said Paulie would beat Zab. Others were saying Judah was too powerful for him, blah, blah, blah. Why did I pick Paulie, because I knew he was a better boxer. He’s a better boxer than Guerrero too. There’s no way Robert would beat Malignaggi for 12 straight rounds. No way.Posted January 6, 2014 9:39 am
“Hidalgo needs to learn about SKILL levels. Guererro would manhandle Paulie. Guererro was knocked off the P4P list by Floyd.”
You don’t know what your’re talking about Boxtra$$wipe and you proved your ignorance by your poor “prophecizing” last year. So you have no room to talk.
Robert Guerrero is a flash in the pan. Floyd proved that.Posted January 6, 2014 9:35 am
Take a hike RG! Well done for talking yourself into the Mayweather sweepstakes but now you want to dance with Pacquiao too? On what basis? Earn your next shot, like everyone else has to. Guerrero v Broner would be good.Posted January 6, 2014 9:26 am
Hes still on holiday exhausted from chasing Floyd around the ring. Better that than nursing a broken badly damaged swollen face i guess.Posted January 6, 2014 8:29 am
Once you get that big payday like Im sure he had against Mayweather,it would be hard to take your next fight for very little money compared to the last fight.Im sure once he gets the best deal he can possibly get we will see him in the ring.Posted January 6, 2014 8:20 am
WHILST I AGREE with some of the comments from this journo, the fact GHOST has been ghost for the last 8 months is neither here, nor there when BAM BAM was rewarded with a defeat at Jnr Welter with a huge payday with PACMAN!!!!
This is hypocrisy at its greatest and happens all through boxing.
I totally disagree with it and I strongly support the way boxers did it back in the day (up until the late 80′s) when challengers fought for their rankings and mandatory challengers would be guaranteed their shot and we only had the odd SUPERFIGHT (which was a superfight) – in the last decade I cannot think of many genuine SUPERFIGHTS that have been meritorious of being sold as PPV….
I remember you had to work yourself up to be either British Champion, USBA or NABF champion, OPBF champion, European Champion and Commonwealth Champion to even get a sniff of a world rating….
Great fighters like John H Stracey and big names like Charlie Magri, Alan Minter etc had to win British, European and Commonwealth crowns before getting a sniff of a world title shot and not be a YOUTUBE hogging, Celebrity Big Brother squatting, twitter-tweeting imbecile to get world title shots and PPV dates on the back of no real boxing talent!!!!
Until the general public stops looking at these guys as social media darlings and starts to scrutinise them as boxers then we DESERVE all the bad match ups and fights we get.
GUERRERO is far more deserving of a match with Pac than BAM BAM ever was… He fought his way through two tough Welters in BERTO & AYDIN to get his shot and heck, CANELO has made no signs of a comeback either.
It makes sense to take a rest and take stock of what you actually wish to achieve in boxing after such a decent payday and in the words of Boxtradamus a thorough spanking!Posted January 6, 2014 6:18 am
If Khan gets the Floyd lottery fight we’ll never see Khan in the ring again afterwards. He just wants a cash out fight. Maybe The Ghost feels the same.Posted January 6, 2014 3:34 am
Tumbo.., “There isn’t a single welter that can generate genuine suspense for a matchup v. Floyd.”
Pacman sure as hell could make for a suspenseful fight for Floyd… So could Garcia at 147… Danny has enough power in that left hook to make it interesting with anyone. He’s fast … and he’s bigger and taller than Floyd.
As far as Lara is concerned… He’d make a damned interesting fight against Floyd at 154… He’s the toughest guy out there for Floyd. That’s why Floyd isn’t interested in fighting these 3 guys.
Robert Guerrero is a punching bag like Rios…
He’s got nothing but a very hard head that’s a wide open target for any skillful, fast boxer… He would beat Rios and Mailinaggi — but Garcia, Matthysse, Porter, Brook, Pacquiao, Bradley, even 40-year-old Marquez would beat him. He’s a wide open target who can’t defend.
You’re the guy who kept drooling over the idea Rios would KO Pacquiao… You, PEEJ, and B Red… Total joke of a fight, as Rios was a punch bag the whole way.Posted January 6, 2014 3:02 am
correction: otherwise, there is no questioning Guerrero’s demonstrated boxing skills and hard-earned creds without sounding clueless.Posted January 6, 2014 2:42 am
Guerrero has always been a solid, skilled, and top-notch, southpaw boxer-puncher. he became more stationary as he moved up in weight, which explains the poor analysis of ESB’s boxing neophytes. otherwise, there is no questioning Guerrero’s demonstrated creds and hard-earned creds without sounding clueless. Btw, there isn’t a single welter that can generate genuine suspense for a matchup v. Floyd. only the built-in Cinco de Mayo and September 16 fanbase can salvage mismatchups that would result in paltry PPV numbers otherwise. it’s the reason those days have become Floyd’s designated fight-nights. no matter the mismatch, he can count on at least one paying fanbase to show up for the demonstration, which has enabled Floyd to gradually cultivate his own fanbase in the process. at this point, every sane and sober fight-fan is marveling at Mayweather’s greatness. the rest have no idea what they’re watching or hoping for.Posted January 6, 2014 2:41 am
Hidalgo needs to learn about SKILL levels. Guererro would manhandle Paulie. Guererro was knocked off the P4P list by Floyd. Paulie has never even sniffed the P4P list. Guererro SPANKS Paulie. Some people thought that Robert would give Floyd a Fight. And he WOULD have IF Floyd had the legs of Paulie Malignaggi but he doesn’t. Paulie has the legs of Paulie Malignaggi and thats why Robert beats him. Nobody thinks that Paulie can give Floyd a challenge. In FACT most fans BALK at the matchup.Posted January 6, 2014 2:34 am
Guerrero made a lot of money and isn’t that interested in fighting on… He gets hit with everything and a lot of the top welterweights would beat the living crap out of him…
Obviously Paulie wouldn’t… Naturally he wants to fight Pacquiao because that’s a huge money fight… That fight as as unattractive as Pacquiao-Rios and is not what Pacquiao is looking for going forward.Posted January 6, 2014 2:26 am
Paulie would lose every rnd to Guerrero. Mayweather boxed a very intelligent fight against Guerrero n out pointed him, but he would still dominate guys like paulie or bronerPosted January 6, 2014 2:07 am
RG should be much more active. There are tons of guys in his division – come on, you’re greatest night can’t be Berto – Get back in and ink an opponent already. Give 30 year old Brad Solomon a chance to break into the top 20 or do something!Posted January 6, 2014 2:03 am
get over it
Guerrero had no skills to begin with all he does is hold a hit like a coward the judges should have stopped him from doing that Berto fell for that BS. Since he lost to Floyd he has been on a hiatus what a joke if you ask me he is a Biiootch and a sore looser. Man up and come back hard. Garcia, Malliangi and Miadana he beat him down.Posted January 6, 2014 1:57 am
BTW, making ugly glaring faces at an opponent never won a fight for anybody. Yet Robert still does it. LOL!Posted January 6, 2014 1:49 am
Big Ham, I believe Guerrero made $3 million for fighting Mayweather, not $4 or $5 million. But hey, that’s still a great payday for one fight. Floyd made 10 times that but he certainly didn’t put on 10 times the performance.
BTW, Paulie Malignaggi would beat Robert Guerrero. Paulie a much better boxer and ring technician. But Paulie is looking for a bigger name right now and it ain’t even Robert Guerrero.Posted January 6, 2014 1:47 am
Excuse me , Robert fought Aydin, not Senchenko.Posted January 6, 2014 1:39 am
“Guererro is BETTER than Mayweather made him LOOK.”
But not as good as you think he is. Floyd fought a very safe cautious fight against him. Pacquiao would make him bleed. A lot.Posted January 6, 2014 1:37 am
Guerrero had no business being in the ring with Mayweather. He beat two second tier welterweights (Berto and Senchenko) then got a title shot with Mayweather. He was the flavor of the month so he got picked. I said this before the fight and I said Mayweather would shut him out. He’s easy to hit and he’s hardly technically solid. Wanna see what Guerrero is made of? Throw him in the ring with Brandon Rios. That will be a good fight if they get a ref who won’t allow Guerrero to have a grappling match like he did with Berto. Or maybe with Adrien Broner–both him and Guerrero have to re-earn a chance for another title shot. Or maybe a fight with Zab Judah–to start.
Myth man Guerrero was high on the top 10 P4P list before he fought Mayweather and now he’s nowhere near it. This is where he should be. Both Thurman and Porter would beat him. Malignaggi would beat him.Bradley would beat him. Provodnikov would beat him. Maidana would pummel him. Pacquiao would slaughter him. But like the author said Guerrero hasn’t earned a shot at Manny Pacquiao. He’s been too idle and he’s no elite super star like Mayweather who can just pop in and out of the show when he wants to because not only hasn’t he proven himself at that level as a boxer, he hasn’t proven himself to be a consistently marketable and profitable commodity.
Guerrero has his moment in the sun and he failed. Now he needs to work his way out of the shadows again.Posted January 6, 2014 1:30 am
I hope Guerrero is back soon. He is one of the most exciting and technically solid boxers today, he also has a good story and is a great role modelPosted January 6, 2014 12:59 am
He had a chance to fight Keith Thurman, but decided to turn the fight down because he felt since he got the Mayweather fight that he was on another level. He is very wrong, and as long as he has that attitude he will be put on the shelf until his contract is up with Golden Boy. He is just a good “B” fighter and the welterweight division is way too talented for him to be taking such a long lay off. He got lucky with the Mayweather pay day, and more than likely will be his last big fight. Should he have taken the Thurman fight he probably would have got knocked out…..Posted January 6, 2014 12:04 am
The Mad Scientist
Robert Guerrero lives in Gilroy..you gotta be a stupid mofo to end broke living therePosted January 6, 2014 12:02 am
that’s what happen when u get a good azz whipping lolPosted January 5, 2014 11:52 pm
Hey Pro Konje- remember a boxer name Mike Tyson well he made more than half a billion and still end up broke. I think Mayweather is more likely to end up broke than Guerreri, because is all of the expensive entourage, fake friends, and money hunger hoes who will take you there. Guerrero is a Christian man with a beautiful family and has no high cost cheerleaders around him.Posted January 5, 2014 11:47 pm
Roberto Guerrero deserves all the time off he wants. He has had a tough life and has been a strong and committed father all while his wife was battling cancer. Those medical bills are no joke, and who blames him for wanting another big pay day. right off the bat. Those serious bills don’t go away. His wife is in a life long battle. His kids are growing up, and they need him to be there. Guerrero will give anyone a great fight. I do hope he fights soon though. Too much time off isn’t good for any fighter.Posted January 5, 2014 11:45 pm
Jesus, I’d barely care if Guerrero WAS fighting and now you’re telling me that Guerrero NOT fighting is supposedly news.Posted January 5, 2014 11:42 pm
Guerrero was offer to fight Truman but passed on the offered. I guess he feels that he deserves a title shot after getting beat. The Ghost is no punk or cherry picks fighter. However he got to see a different side of the game and why fight a new in coming Lion for pennies. He us better off cherry picking fighters now. Hey, the P4P Mayweather does it ans gets away with it.Posted January 5, 2014 11:39 pm
How much did Guerrero get paid for the Floyd bout? Probably 4x his typical paydays. Some boxers take a long vacation after major paydays since they now are financially set.Posted January 5, 2014 11:33 pm
With both fighters, it could be the solid beatings that they took that changed their attitudes towards boxings. Or more likely it’s the big pay days that they earned and they’re busy spending the cash. That’s a big mistake that many make in boxing. Failure to save the cash to have later in life when the earnings are few. I understand that it won’t happend, but boxing needs to do something to protect the boxers from squandering their cash and ending up half-stepping and confused on the streets in their later years.Posted January 5, 2014 11:31 pm
I guess he is hanging around spending all that money getting fat and lazy . As Floyd says hard work dedication.Posted January 5, 2014 11:10 pm
The benefits of the Mayweather sweepstakes.Posted January 5, 2014 10:57 pm
This is the position Winky Wright was in after he lost to Hopkins. Winky proceeded to sit on the shelf for 2 years then came back against P.williams and realized his career was over.Posted January 5, 2014 10:45 pm
Good point Boxtra. But there is another side to it well. He’s pretty much a low reward high risk opponents for the top guys at 140-147lbs. He is coming off of a loss. So while i do not expect him to fight for 50k in a tune up after just having made 4-5 million for fighting mayweather. He probably feels he deserves to be in that 600k and up range even for his comeback fight, he made 1M to fight berto before mayweather. So for the guys that bring him that sorta payday.. well they might have easier options. Perhaps he can now fight Pauly at 147, and the winner gets a title shot at Madaina or Porter. Problem is Pauly is now an Al Haymon fighter, so does Al think Guerrero is a good financial decision for his freshly signed fighter? Best case for ghost is if he talks the networks into giving him a fight where he is the A-side, and the B-side is a really tough unknown foreign fighter with a good record that will fight for 200k and potentially make for a good fight that raise his stock. No big name fighter wants him.Posted January 5, 2014 10:44 pm
Guerrero should fight Broner for the undisputed hype of the decade title. The ghost, a career featherweight got the fight with Floyd by running his mouth and beating Aydin and Berto something that no one else could do it except the great Soto Karass.Posted January 5, 2014 10:38 pm
Has he strangled his publicity starved Cheech Chong Gangster Father yet?
He’s still enjoying the biggest purse of his LIFE. Thats why he’s not pressuring his promoter for a Fight. As soon as that bank account gets low he’ll be back in there. Would love to see Guerrero vs Danny Garcia @ 140. The verbal sparring between their Dads would be very entertaining. Would be an interesting Fight TOO. Guererro is BETTER than Mayweather made him LOOK. .Posted January 5, 2014 10:11 pm