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Hidalgo

“HECK NO Arum isn’t going to let Pac be a one Fight free agent to face Floyd. That one Fight will drop Pacs stock even further than the Marquez Fight DID.”

Wishful thinking. Even if Arum did “let” Pac go, a match with Floyd wouldn’t be his very next fight. Oh no. Pac-with-no-Arum is right where Floyd wants him to be.

Floyd’s taking a second look at Pac right now just like his daddy is. Rios may not be the top choice for Pac as an opponent, but Pac shut him out in impressive style. You always rant about how Floyd Sr. is the best trainer and knows what he’s talking about. Well, Sr. was also impressed with Pac’s performance against Rios. He said so himself.

Tell you what though Boxtra$$wipe, since so many boxers and trainers, and promoters “agree” with you all the time, why don’t you give them a call and tell them to make a fight between Mayweather and Rios. You think Floyd will beat Brandon by anything other than a UD? You know he won’t.

Posted January 8, 2014 8:52 pm 


Hidalgo

“HECDOG, you know I love reading your posts, but Manny will never face GOLOVKIN.
Manny will never face LARA, ANGULO, CANELO… The list goes on.”

Very true TJ, but the main reason Manny won’t face them has nothing to do with whether they are stronger, bigger, more skilled, or too much of a killer.

The main reason Pac will never fight these guys is because Pac no longer fights as anything but a welterweight. Arum and Pac announced after Pac’s fight with Margarito that Pac would never fight as a jr. middleweight again. And, he hasn’t.

Posted January 8, 2014 8:41 pm 


TJ

HECDOG, you know I love reading your posts, but Manny will never face GOLOVKIN.
Manny will never face LARA, ANGULO, CANELO… The list goes on. All these guys are not only too big for him, they are either too skilled (LARA), too strong (ANGULO) too big (CANELO) and all-round too killer (GOLOVKIN)

If Manny trades with GENNADY he will be KO’D by a body punch…. I have long suspected Manny does not take body blows too well and have seen this in certain fights. GGG will smash him downstairs and wreck him.

I’m not saying the fights won’t be somewhat competitive whilst they last, but IMHO they are not winnable fights for him.

ANGULO is possibly a fight he can win, but the punishment he will take from EL PERRO could be career ending. ANGULO is oon a mission to wipe out his loss to Kirkland and will walk through the very gates of hell if he faced Pacman…. Actually, the more I think of it, this could be one of the fights of the year if Pac decides for one more go at 154…..

I would definitely like to see that fight!!!!

Posted January 8, 2014 10:04 am 


TARK

Hecdog says Pacquiao would beat Gennady Golovkin.

You’re the same dude who said Guerrero was going to KO Mayweather… You even put your money on Guerrero you were so confident he would stop Mayweather… I told you that bet made no sense.

Golovkin would smash Pacquiao like a roach… But Pac is too smart to take that fight.. It makes no sense at all.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:31 am 


Bulawayo2

Hec Dog,
Pacquiao might well do some extraordinary things before he retires, beating Golovkin isn’t one of them. Get real.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:07 am 


Hec Dog

Bob Arum is going to give Manny Pacquiao a deal he can’t refuse. Manny is the most popular and exciting fighter in boxing for the last 10 years. He will beat any of the following fighters if they dare fight Manny Pacquiao: Mayweather, Porter, Bradley, Provodnikov, Broner, Mikey Garcia, Danny Garcia, Guerrero or GGG. Manny is arguably the greatest fighting machine of all time. He’s a living legend, didn’t you you what he did to Rios, a former champion. He showed off his versatility and painted one of the most beautiful boxing pictures ever witnessed. Never doubt what this fighter can do. Remember, Manny is the ONLY 8 division boxing champion in history. He didn’t get touched against Rios. All the great past and present fighter gave Manny nothing but praise. Trust me, Manny will do some amazing things before he hangs up the gloves. I feel sorry for the next guy he fights. Manny Mania is alive and well. After his next fight, everyone will get on the wagon again. Manny is the best.

Posted January 8, 2014 12:28 am 


maracho

Yeah Manny can just fight under his own promotional company and NOT with the very vindictive golden boy

Posted January 7, 2014 11:08 pm 


Boxtradamus

HECK NO Arum isn’t going to let Pac be a one Fight free agent to face Floyd. That one Fight will drop Pacs stock even further than the Marquez Fight DID. He already took a 50% hit on his PPV’s after Juan MANSLAUGHTERED him. What DO you think will happen to his stock and PPV #’s after Floyd shows that Pacquiao can be EASILY neutered??? Arum doesn’t want to find out. SO he won’t say NO. He’s going to say HECK NO. He wants to protect his biggest asset. Not let it get depreciated.

Posted January 7, 2014 9:35 pm 


JoeKidd

Mayweather wants Pacquiao to wear pink shorts and be led into the ring with a dog leash. So Mr. Lawyer guy, we go for that too? When you have a submissive mind, that is the only way you know to think.

Posted January 7, 2014 8:38 pm 


Listen up

I’ve been following this whole pantomime for over 4yrs now and have often wondered what sort of fools continue to believe Floyds propaganda….. i have long since given up trying to understand such blinkered adulation towards someone they owe nothing! Fact is – he owes us – the Pacquiao fight!!
For those of you who want to see his ‘o’ shattered- i have good news… if he carries on with the spending and gambling even $200 million won’t last long. Floyd will find himself in a position whereby he is retired (undefeated) and spending too much-he will be offered mega-bucks to fight the new kid on the block (no cherry picking allowed,floyd) and will find himself old and in a fight NOT of his choosing. This is when he will lose his much coveted ‘o’ and the irony is that we may all begin to love him at last….

Posted January 7, 2014 7:22 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Floyd 2009: Blood testing or no fight. Pac: Done up to 1 week before fight. Let’s fight.
Floyd 2010: No, until fight date.
Pac 2011: OK done, unlimited blood tests. Let’s fight.
Floyd: Um… Pac is a yellow Asian dog eater and I’m rich. Rich!
Floyd 2012/2013: I now want 60/40 or no fight. Pac: Done, let’s fight.
Floyd: Oh. Um… You get a flat fee and no % of the PPV revenues or no fight.
Pac: That’s a non-starter as everyone knows.
Floyd 2014: Leave Top Rank or no fight.
Pac: Another non-starter.
The goal posts continue to move, the fight doesn’t happen, and Floyd’s deluded nutsack riding fans convince themselves that he’s not a cherry picking ducker.

Posted January 7, 2014 5:56 pm 


eric

When has anyone herd bob arum say I refuse to work with GBP ?? Floyd says he refuses though.

When has anyone herd bob arum say he refuses to work with floyd ? Floyd say he refuses to work with arum though.

When has manny pac… refused to fight mayweather ?? Mayweather on a regular basis says he will never fight manny.

Are some of you on here dumb, I really dont think your that dumb, you think everybody else is dumb enuf to belive your crackhead talk and lies.

Its pretty clear who is holding up the fight.

I just listen to a floyd mayweather SR, Interview that was recent and said pac is trying to get the fight with floyd , he wants to be the next guy

Posted January 7, 2014 4:35 pm 


eric

Mayweather claims he will fight manny, but there’s always a crazy demand attached to the offer, rendering the fight or stopping negotiation s.

Floyd will fight as long as Manny….

Sure manny ask for things like ring size glove size, typical and normal things that get negotiated in every major event.

What floyd is doing with his demands is no diffrent that pricing yourself out of a fight.

I guess if floyd said “okay ill fight pac as long as he drinks a gallon of poison”

Then floyd says” I put the poison in mannys mail box and he didn’t dtink it, he threw it away” SEE, SEE, SEE, he dont want to fight me and all the nutt garglers will be on here using that as a valid and non objectable fact that manny refuses to fight floyd.

Puppets, shepeople and liars crack me up.

Posted January 7, 2014 4:26 pm 


PEEJ

Pac has never agreed to full testing during negotiations. That is from Koncz mouth. There is a reason Floyd will never work with Arum. He kept killing the fight. No point in going back to a dried up water well.

Posted January 7, 2014 2:41 pm 


Happyboy

Arum should free Pacquiao to choose Visionquest to look into his contracts and finances.

Posted January 7, 2014 12:53 pm 


Listen up

Let me help you see through the smoke screen- Floyd was ready to fight Pac, remember the constant ‘Take the test.’ comments from Floyd?? At this point he was happy to do buisness with Arum but wanted the test on his terms!! Finally, Pac agreed to all testing requests, and guess what. floyd wanted more money the rest is history.
i ain’t no Floyd or Pac fan (just boxing) and i think the fight is 60/40% in Floyds favour but C’MON PEOPLE HE DON.T WANT TO FIGHT pACQUIAO because he has so much to lose. Fine by me, BUT DON’T EVEN BREATHE A WORD ABOUT BEING G.O.A.T.- can’t have your cake and eat it, Floyd!!!!

Posted January 7, 2014 12:49 pm 


WarZ

“There’s only one thing that I believe Floyd cares about more than money and that’s protecting his undefeated record. In my own humble opinion the Arum excuse is just a smokescreen. It’s hard not to notice the reactions of both men when they are asked about fighting each other. Manny Pacquiao seems very calm and relaxed and always says that he wants the fight while Floyd Mayweather gets very agitated and refuses to answer questions a lot of times when asked about it. It leads us to believe that he is the one that really doesn’t want the fight. I’ve always believed that Mayweather would beat Pacquiao, and I still do, but that doesn’t really matter. ” A certain writer said.

Posted January 7, 2014 12:11 pm 


U2

The prime fight is done its over it should of happened in 2010. Now both fighters are past there prime and the steam is taken out of the boxing fans. It would of been a great mega fight then, now Pac vs Mayweather is just a fight.

Posted January 7, 2014 11:58 am 


PEEJ

News Flash = Btich

Posted January 7, 2014 11:53 am 


PEEJ

I believe Pacs contract runs thru December of this year. So Top Rank is his promoter till the beginning of next year unless Pac signs an extenstion

Posted January 7, 2014 11:53 am 


News Flash

PEEJ = Maywather sac licker and arse kisser.

Posted January 7, 2014 11:43 am 


WarZ

Haven’t you gotten the news already that Pacquiao is out of Top Rank? He’ll honor his last fight this April and the he’s free. Let’s see what’s your excuse now. Mayweather will again hope and pray that Manny will lose this fight so he can have another alibi.

Posted January 7, 2014 11:39 am 


PEEJ

Look at the facts and you will be seeing who is dodging who. Nope not on antibodies payroll. Are you on Pacs payroll the way you defend everything he has done?

Posted January 7, 2014 11:31 am 


Bradley R Roggenkamp

Duckweather isn’t going to take on Manny. He wants to keep his 0 at all costs.

Posted January 7, 2014 11:15 am 


Urbano

PEEJ must be on Floyd’s payroll or something with all the defending he does of ‘Money Boy’ …

Posted January 7, 2014 10:55 am 


PEEJ

Pacs lawyer came out and said Arum and Koncz are the reason the fight hasn’t been made and also addressed his tax issue saying it was serious and Koncz is the one to blame. Speaks volumes. But keep on Pac fans. Keep blaming Floyd. That’s all y’all know how to do

Posted January 7, 2014 10:49 am 


Youkun

Floyd Mayweather is the problem always has been

Posted January 7, 2014 10:42 am 


Reem

Makes no sense as Ugly Boy would come up with new demands

Posted January 7, 2014 10:14 am 


Anonymous

I wanna see Pacman and Khan get it on in the ring.

Posted January 7, 2014 8:32 am 


Anonymous

When is the tax man going to investigate Arum and Koncz? I’m sure there are some shady goings on? These guys remind me of gangsters. They may be wearing suits and ties but they are more dangerous than the hoodlum with a gun!

Posted January 7, 2014 8:32 am 


Mbuyiseli

Manny can get out of the Top Rank contract if it can be proved that Top Rank and Koncz stole or did him a disservice.

Posted January 7, 2014 8:31 am 


Mbuyiseli

How is Manny record better than Floyd’s? When the public demanded Mayweather fights Mosley that’s exactly what we got. Then we demanded the Alvarez, that’s exactly what he gave us. Manny only gives us fights that Arum and Roach want, not the boxing public wants. When was the last time you anticipated a Manny fight? Marquez don’t count coz Marquez beat him fair and square in their third instalment. This is how delusional Pactards are, they will scream murder for the Bradley’s gift decision, but won’t acknowledge the early Christmas gift Manny got against Marquez for the third bout. To them it’s a religion. I think it’s pointless debating with them. Trying bringing facts they bring emotions. Manny agreed to blood testing when? Arum lied about the concession 14-day cut off. Mayweather should just fight Martinez and GGG at 154lbs. Give them both 20% of the purse. Let Manny starve, he sticks with people that are lining their own pockets with his hard earned cash.

Posted January 7, 2014 8:28 am 


Jonn E. JaGozza

Before we talk aobut a match up with PAckman and Mayweather, we have to talk about promoters and the politics of Boxing. If I were Arum I wouldn’t let goof PAckman , he’s Arum’s bread and butter man, the golden goose, his cash cow … Sdly to say that in the game it’s all abnout the cash…. No, about the match up I don’t feel that Packman after beating Rios, a joke, a clown, an imposter, earns a shot at Mayweather, before that farce of a fight with Rios he lost to Bradley and before that he was KO’D by Marquez…. Put him in there with someone who can fight..Canelo, Cotto ( again ) GGG, … In short, make him earn a shot at the title, he really didn’t by beating Rios… Just my thoughts …PEACE… The Boxing dictionary.com ” The Language of the Ring “

Posted January 7, 2014 8:16 am 


Ray Ray

If ur the guy that go’s down in history as the most watched and highest PPV numbers of all time of course it matters….what fighter wouldnt want 2 b that? Answer, every fighter ever….there can only b 1. I bet it would count if that person was say…….Manny? But its not and wont ever b, get over move on. Both guys r going straight 2 the hall…..move on.

Posted January 7, 2014 6:45 am 


Auzbox

Your right couldn’t agree more

Posted January 7, 2014 6:01 am 


Anonymous

Anyone else sick of every article being about ppv numbers. Is this what people will look back on in 20 years instead of legendary fights?

Posted January 7, 2014 5:46 am 


Col

Hey Mayweather fans! For the good of boxing, why not refuse to support Mayweather’s continued ducking? When he sees how public opinion is not with him, he might just feel forced to finally get in the ring with Pacquiao. Let’s see if he can be shamed into it.

Posted January 7, 2014 4:55 am 


eugene

Arum was not an obstacle before. the blood testing was. Manny wants 21 days before the fight, Floyd wants 14. When Pacquiao camp agreed, Floyd suddenly wants a day before the fight. And then there’s the purse split. When PAC agreed all of Floyd’s demands, now Arum is an obstacle. wtf?!! I think Floyd is playing mind games with PAC. He wants to win even before the actual fight. I believe he’s not afraid, he just wanted to have all the advantages mentally and physically. it’s just happened that PAC is not giving him everything what he wanted. That’s why the fight will not materialise.

Posted January 7, 2014 3:38 am 


teflon

Manny will never fight Bradley again. Tell Manny Marquez said dont concentrate on Floyd because you about to miss this hook I am going to tag you with. I swear I thought he was dead that night I bet hecdog cried lol

Posted January 7, 2014 3:33 am 


Havoc

Dear Floyd, grow a pair. Sincerely Manny.

Posted January 7, 2014 3:30 am 


Anonymous

Yeah hecdog he is so popular he is broke.. lol

Posted January 7, 2014 3:27 am 


Tunes

25 years ago, that was good song, not the video, ageless, if you heard on the radio, it was very good, a one off, I remember that tune.
youtube.com/watch?v=phOW-CZJWT0

Posted January 7, 2014 3:04 am 


Hecdog

Bob Arum is going to give Manny Pacquiao a deal he can’t refuse. Manny is the most popular and exciting fighter in boxing for the last 10 years. He will beat any of the following fighters if they dare fight Manny Pacquiao: Mayweather, Porter, Bradley, Provodnikov, Broner, Mikey Garcia, Danny Garcia, Guerrero or GGG. Manny is arguably the greatest fighting machine of all time. He’s a living legend, didn’t you you what he did to Rios, a former champion. He showed off his versatility and painted one of the most beautiful boxing pictures ever witnessed. Never doubt what this fighter can do. Remember, Manny is the ONLY 8 division boxing champion in history. He didn’t get touched against Rios. All the great past and present fighter gave Manny nothing but praise. Trust me, Manny will do some amazing things before he hangs up the gloves. I feel sorry for the next guy he fights. Manny Mania is alive and well. After his next fight, everyone will get on the wagon again. Manny is the best.

Posted January 7, 2014 2:55 am 


mansworld

Manny skill level is the real issue his skills have seriously declined he hasnt looked good since 09. Aside from the fact he hasnt avenged his losses. He is at the end for sure so even if Arum somehow lets him Fight Floyd it still will not generate the money it would have in 09 no to mention he will get beat. Its all down hill from here for Pac unless he keeps fighting bums like Rios in which people have boycotted his fights. Bradley and Ruslan will beat him along other options like Garcia , Maidana or Mallinagi. in which he cannot fight because of Top rank either way dude is screwed. He is in a no win situation, and Arum knows it and he wont mind throwing him to the wolves. But he wants to make the most of the little time he has left so he matches him with bums that he knows he can beat and look good against, Now this fake ass Arum is trying to get lightweights like Rios to move but he is even trying to get Mikey Garcia a featherweight to move up to fight Manny. The nerve of this cake trying to get people to believe Manny deserves there Money and he is back in full form. I mean its easy to look good beating up cab drivers. Manny fight any of the top contenders he will get beat from pillar to post. Arum is selling a hype job.

Posted January 7, 2014 2:36 am 


PEEJ

Funny but Pacs lawyer did an interview saying Arum should release Pac from his contract and that he needs to get rid of Konczbecause he is responsible for Pacs tax issues. Wow

Posted January 7, 2014 1:48 am 


HBO

Kovalev, Hollah
youtube.com/watch?v=FPoKiGQzbSQ

Posted January 7, 2014 1:35 am 


Gallinas de Puelto Lico

@panty pachouse
“Pacquiao is irrelevant
pacquiao vs canelo would bring huge ppv numbers”

-YES, I agree but no way is Bob Arum letting that happen. He wants to feed Pacquioa a featherweight by the name of Mikey Garcia(?) So I doubt very much he would want a jr 154lbs middleweight fight Pacquioa unless his name was Margarito(?)

Posted January 7, 2014 12:44 am 


panty pachouse

Pacquiao is irrelevant

pacquiao vs canelo would bring huge ppv numbers

Posted January 7, 2014 12:30 am 


Amoe

Mayweather knows at the end of the day it’s about money. Mayweather knows people don’t care about him the world is all about money they don’t care about you what do countries go to war over oh yea money. Mayweather legacy is sealed its a crasy world. They treat fighters like pit bulls.

Posted January 7, 2014 12:15 am 


Amoe

Manny is not the same fighter any top gun with power at 147 will put him to sleep I love manny he proved me wrong over and over but this time I just don’t know.

Posted January 7, 2014 12:06 am 


Ghetto Thug

450,000 buys proves that nobody cares about of Phonyao anymore

Posted January 6, 2014 11:59 pm 


badger

arum looks like a character from the merchant of venice.

Posted January 6, 2014 11:46 pm 


BUSTAJAY

MAKE THE FIGHT BEFORE WE ALL DIE

WAR EAGLE

Posted January 6, 2014 11:10 pm 


boxs

Arum or no Arum this fight will make everyone associated with MP and mayweather richer than rich

Posted January 6, 2014 10:59 pm 


Havoc

Why the fockin Floyd scared of Arum? I thought Floyd is fighting Pacman in the ring! I tell you this Floyd is scared to death to lose!

Posted January 6, 2014 10:30 pm 


zera

too many demands. nuff said.

Posted January 6, 2014 10:28 pm 


Gallinas de Puelto Lico

no, fat chance. Its like asking Arum to cut his veins, no way its happening. And Pacquioa’s loyalty to him will be his own downfall.

Posted January 6, 2014 10:02 pm 


Floyd Xylocaine Mayweather

Blaze
If Pac left Arum, Floyd still wouldn’t fight him. Since when does a fighter make demands on his opponents promoter? Floyd’s ducking is so bad now that even ESPN’s Steven A no longer backs him up, and that’s saying something.

……………………………………………………………………………………….

Well said.

Posted January 6, 2014 9:26 pm 


Floyd Xylocaine Mayweather

@Nathan

but for f*&k sake
………………………………………………………………………………………

Good post.

Posted January 6, 2014 9:19 pm 


Havoc

Even with Top rank, Floyd will make more money than what he can make in his cherry picked opponents. I don’t see the problem why not?

Posted January 6, 2014 8:57 pm 


Ray Ray

Blah blah blah……is this storey on repeat. Y would manny leave Toprank? Not just Floyd on the other side but…Lara, Alexander, Danny Garcia, Mattysse, Alvarez, even Khan and Paullie would b intrresting. Iv got my doubts if Manny can get over Ruslan, Bradley or Garcia. Its 50/50 4 me..Wont no how manny is until he takes a good shot.If manny fights Ruslan 1st Bradley will beat him afterwards, so will mikey in my opinion. Mikey has 1inch height and 3 inch reach advantage….I hope manny doesnt go out like Roy, it is looking that way 2 me. So much money made and still money troubles. Unreal how often this has happend, its sad.

Posted January 6, 2014 8:54 pm 


muchacho

Arum should retire and name Duboef as Top Rank head, Arum is $200M richer, he cannot bring that money on his grave, he need respect from people to be remembered as great promoter.

Posted January 6, 2014 8:53 pm 


Havoc

Why can’t Floyd beat Pacman NOW! Why does he need to wait if Pacman leaves Top Rank next year and whoop his azz! Why oh why wait for another year? Why oh why?

Posted January 6, 2014 8:52 pm 


Love-the-Sport

Miguel Cotto has this right.

Top Rank and Golden Boy should develop stars.

But once the stars are “stars” … they should freelance.

This is what Miguel Cotto is doing and it makes 1000% sense.

Manny Pacquiao is bigger than Top Rank — but he is held underneath Top Rank the crappy fighters that Top Rank has available.

Floyd Mayweather is bigger than Golden Boy — but he is held underneath Golden Boy and although the fights so far have been solid, he will run out of top names quickly.

Manny and Floyd are the biggest names in the sport. They should both freelance. Miguel Cotto has shown them how to do it.

Posted January 6, 2014 8:43 pm 


Old Coot

de Lima I.: FEAR!!… Of losing his carefully honed legacy and marketability to his nemesis! Floyd’s ego can’t handle the possibility.

Posted January 6, 2014 8:20 pm 


Old Coot

Private truth is often stranger than public fiction!

Posted January 6, 2014 8:18 pm 


Old Coot

Creative or not… Why else is Arum such a big deal breaker for Floyd fighting Manny?… Honestly I think Arum is really just an excuse for Floyd to duck Manny and rob Arum, of any money from Floyd’s sweat in the process.

Posted January 6, 2014 8:17 pm 


Floyd Xylocaine Mayweather

45-0 with using Xylocaine.

Posted January 6, 2014 8:15 pm 


I’ve heard it all

Wow coot..you are creative!

Posted January 6, 2014 8:09 pm 


de Lima I.

Old Coot

Why the H3ll should FMJ duck Pac???

Posted January 6, 2014 8:07 pm 


Old Coot

And when Manny won’t sign with TMT, as Havoc said Floyd will demand he sign with GBP!!

Posted January 6, 2014 8:06 pm 


Old Coot

Havoc: Yup! As I said earlier, I often half-jokingly posit, that the minute Manny leaves Arum, Floyd will announce another fake retirement, to duck him again… But in reality, I expect Floyd to demand Manny join TMT, as a conditions for their fight… That’s half of the main reason he wants Manny to leave Arum… Floyd hopes to stick it to Bob twice… By, 1. Cutting Arum totally out of ANY money related to Floyd, and 2. By stealing his top fighter and rubbing his nose in such a feat. However, Floyd has to know Manny would NEVER sign with TMT, so he is content to just cut Arum out, with the added bonus of using Manny’s refusal to sign with TMT as another excuse to not fight him.

Posted January 6, 2014 8:05 pm 


lmao

just boycott mayrunner fights

Posted January 6, 2014 8:04 pm 


Old Coot

@ John Smith: DEAD ON!! If Manny dropped Arum now… 59 seconds later Floyd would announce another fake retirement!

Posted January 6, 2014 7:59 pm 


Havoc

Sure! But I will tell you what Floyd next demand. Pacman need to sign up for GBP for 2 years then he will get the fight with Mayweather.

Posted January 6, 2014 7:58 pm 


Ted

No way would Bob do that….he’d be barred from the temple

Posted January 6, 2014 7:53 pm 


Old Coot

lol: Seeing how Floyd had to pay Manny a settlement to drop the defamation case against him. And seeing how Floyd is the only one of the two to have failed 3 blood tests and covered it up, does anyone really think a PED/Zylocaine-free Floyd could actually last 4 rounds with Manny?

Posted January 6, 2014 7:50 pm 


john smith

Mayweather will not fight pacman …even arum let him go ….just boycott mayrunner fights

Posted January 6, 2014 7:47 pm 


lol

Come on tho seriously, is there anyone who still really believes a PEDless Pac would be competitive against Floyd? Pacquiao is good at being a human windmill against human heavybags but against counterpunchers he’s average at best.

Posted January 6, 2014 7:46 pm 


de Lima I.

TARK

you LOVE changing history to sell your BS thats why you are not credible when it comes to certain topics because you speak out of your OWN mind as opposed to data gathering and being accurate…

Posted January 6, 2014 7:39 pm 


Old Coot

Teflon: No more than you Floydiots and Floydiacs!

Posted January 6, 2014 7:38 pm 


KILLA

My question is what is going to be Mayweather excuse when Manny is a free agent. I bet Mayweather is going to say Manny has to sign a 2 year contract with Mayweather Promotions, not Golden Boy Promotions. This way Manny refuses to sign s a long term contract and Mayweather can use that as an excuse not to fight Manny. No matter what Manny does there will always be excuses from Mayweather.

Posted January 6, 2014 7:26 pm 


get over it

Manny beat dehydrated fighters like Oscar, Cotto Margecheato. no one he ever beat was undefeated. And Now Arum is so pathetic he is trying to get guys who are willing to come up to face Manny. Instead of setting up fight with Bradley or Marquez because he knows they will beat Mannys ass he is looking to lightweights and featherweights? What a joke I am glad people are boycotting Manny the Rios bout only had 475,000 ppv that is a ll time low for ppv munber no one care about Manny simple as that until he starts getting real wins against touch guys. He is useless. Manny should fight Canelo and prove to the world how Floyd cherry picked a undefeated fighter lol…

Posted January 6, 2014 7:23 pm 


teflon

Coot face it you a Manny nutthugger..lol

Posted January 6, 2014 7:17 pm 


lol

To people who say Pacquiao doesn’t have a KO since 09, this shouldn’t be a surprise. Pacquiao has never kayo’d an undefeated fighter at the world level. Meanwhile Floyd has multiple first defeat first kayo wins over undefeated challengers. Face it, Pacquiao’s power was always an illusion, he’s a tricky cherry picker more than Floyd.

Posted January 6, 2014 7:15 pm 


Tomato Can

Saying Mayweather could only beat a shell of Gatti, cancels everything you have to say. Anyone with any boxing sense here, knows Gatti “RIP” could have never beat Mayweather at any point of his career.

Posted January 6, 2014 7:01 pm 


Blaze

If Pac left Arum, Floyd still wouldn’t fight him. Since when does a fighter make demands on his opponents promoter? Floyd’s ducking is so bad now that even ESPN’s Steven A no longer backs him up, and that’s saying something.

Posted January 6, 2014 6:52 pm 


Old Coot

Nope, Arum won’t let him go, not if Arum can help it… Manny is his cash cow, so Arum will try to keep Manny beholden to him if he can, Manny needs to tell him no.

Posted January 6, 2014 6:51 pm 


CurlyQ.Howard

Will hell freeze over?

Posted January 6, 2014 6:49 pm 


Fan

Wonder what demand or excuse is next from pretty boy . I’ve never heard of a fighter demanding another fighter to change his promoter. Quack quack quack aflak

Posted January 6, 2014 6:42 pm 


TARK

LMAO… These pathetic Mcgoo judges are all over the boxing landscape. Other sports use great judges to judge individual athletic competitions. They have good judges and a lot of them. They have really superior judges judging their top events.

Gymnastics, diving, and figure skating use 10 judges for their top events — and they’re all experienced former competitors and coaches. I don’t know where the Hell Boxing goes to dig up judges like Duane Ford and C.J. Ross — but they’ve got a ton of them judging the top professional fights in fistic history.

Posted January 6, 2014 6:33 pm 


deepwaterz1522

sad day in boxing when boxers interfere with contracts. no one guy is bigger then the sport. only fools respect lel floyd and his nonsense. his style is boring enough but his lack of respect for the sport will hurt his legacy

Posted January 6, 2014 6:18 pm 


Old Coot

Naat: I need to learn from you then… And yep… I almost forgot about Floyd, with the ring and glove size stuff too!! LOL!! Thanks!!

Posted January 6, 2014 6:17 pm 


Bradley R. Roggenkamp

C’mon Floyd, stop ducking the Pac Man!

Posted January 6, 2014 6:14 pm 


deepwaterz1522

gatti was fat and hungover for that fight. drink,girls and blow did him in for that fight. plus the ref was dirty and let floyd use the elbow and hit on the break before he said to box.

Posted January 6, 2014 6:10 pm 


Old Coot

feet of clay

Posted January 6, 2014 6:08 pm 


Old Coot

It’s a shame how some fans have allowed Floyd to take them for hundreds of millions ducking every threat of his career! I’m just glad my last PPV buy was Mayweather VS Gatti, and even that was a cherry-pick… Gatti had feed of clay!

Posted January 6, 2014 6:08 pm 


Old Coot

Mansworld: Floyd is more businessman than boxer… He has ducked every single prime WW threat of his ilk, which means his record is more an illusion of greatness, than reality, and undeserving of the praise heaped upon him by his fans!

Posted January 6, 2014 6:06 pm 


third world

time to give back to boxing big bob. it’s made you a very rich man. you step aside and still have an under the table agreement and percentage of the fight from manny’s purse. if you could make roberto duran-ray leonard in montreal with don king in 1980,surely this would be less painful to you.imagine if pacquiao wins the money you will make in the future. greed is a cancer that blinds insight. do the right thing bob.

Posted January 6, 2014 6:05 pm 


Old Coot

Gallinas de Puelto Lico: Good to see someone else caught that! And I am a former Floyd fan, back when he was a real fighter as a LW.

Posted January 6, 2014 6:03 pm 


Mansworld

How the P.E.D issue can up ok look at the history of the sport. Name one guy to came up in weight to dominate like Manny? Guys move up all they time but never has a guy gone up from lightweight to start KO junior middleweights. Never in the history of the sport Manny was getting hit by middleweights and taking it like it ws nothing I mean he has suddenly a wrecking ball. Before he moved up he was good but average he hasn’t doing all of that and he had lost 3 times. Everyone behind the senses knew what he has on. ex heavyweight Champ Michael Moorer was trained by Roach the joke and he spilled the beans. Boxing only requires urine test but all these other sports require blood samples. Boxing is a crooked sport and since this issue came up all kinds of guys are getting caught. Because fighters are demanding it Now Floyd opted for a blood test not only from Manny but to anyone he has to face. Manny declined since then he lost his power he hasn’t OK anyone since 09 how can a guy that KOed Oscar and Cotto cannot stop Rios a lightweight. It simple now he is clean and he is nothing without that stuff in his system. And if he didn’t have nothing to hide why did he walk away from the biggest fight and money of his life riddle me that?

Posted January 6, 2014 6:02 pm 


Old Coot

teflon: Why didn’t Floyd come to court with evidence or even real rumors and make his case then? I’m sure the judge would have forced Manny to prove he’s clean… But Floyd knew he was… That’s why he paid Manny bigtime to drop the defamation suit? NO PROOF!!

Posted January 6, 2014 5:59 pm 


Old Coot

@ Get over it: Be that as it may… The problme is that combat sporting purity has given way to business, WAY too much!!… And in things like MMA, not enough, on the combatants behalf… All we fans are asking for is a balance of the two in either sport. After all, it is we fans who made Floyd filthy rich, when we could have kept our money and let him fight to empty space, like thousands of wannbe greats do, even as I type… We are ONLY asking that if Floyd’s gonna claim to be the absolute best and deserving of his legacy and zero… He’s gotta do his job, be a real fighter, and fight opponents in his weight class, that the over-paying fans wanna see… It’s as simple as that!… Otherwise he’s just a money grubbing paper champion who should get paid, just not as much, and should NOT go down as a HOF, ATG, because it’s likely that his record was cherry-picked, finagled, negotiated, and shepherded, NOT earned!!

Posted January 6, 2014 5:52 pm 


third world

it will never happen. the harvard graduate will never relinquish his stronghold on the filipino cash cow. however,if he did it would send a message to all of boxing that all is good in boxing. at what point does a man with so much money and power at his age give back to the sport that has given him everything? arum would only view such a move as weakness in a sport that power and control is everything.

Posted January 6, 2014 5:50 pm 


teflon

Coot you have more excuses than a man going to prison. If drug test is so stupid why are all these fools getting caught on the juice? Post some boxing knowledge nothing is stupid about wanting a clean and fair bout moron. Why didn’t Manny take the test oh that’s right he was afraid of needles..lol Face it your boy is a joke and no one pays to see his fights.

Posted January 6, 2014 5:49 pm 


Gallinas de Puelto Lico

Old Coot
“Peej: Manny WAS about to sign… But Floyd sprung this juvenile, PED crap on him, literally at the last second… I clearly remember in the back of my mind thinking that Floyd was up to something, when he for the first time ever, agreed to everything in the first round of negotiations. Floyd NEVER agrees in the first round!! He planned this drug crap all along!”

-yea I dont really care for Pacquioa but I DO remember that too. I remember thinking ” Thats odd, he didnt even put up a fight in the negotiations, that’s not Floyd. Somthing is up.”

Posted January 6, 2014 5:48 pm 


PEEJ

I could care less if it was at the beginning or the end. Fact is Floyd agreed to everything just like you said, yes he came up with drug testing for the simple fact of what happened in the Cotto fight and Floyd Sr. put it in his ear. That still does not neglect the fact that Pac didn’t say no, he made excuses. That is the difference teller. When you make excuses there is a reason why, when you say no then that is the reason.

Posted January 6, 2014 5:46 pm 


Prof Konje

It should be very clear to everyone that neither man is afraid of the other. The problem is, and has always been, Bob Arum. It would be gracious to let Pacquaio out of his contract, even if he has to buy is way out. Arum is selfish and cares for no one but himself and his bank account.

I believe that Manny Pacquaio is an excellent boxer and a good person, however he isn’t really that intelligent. He has a misguided sense of loyalty and Arum exploits that. Pacquaio’s friends, family, attorney, etc;, need to speak for him, however I doubt that Arum will be moved. If Pacquaio decides to extend his contract with Arum, then he gets what he deserves.

Posted January 6, 2014 5:45 pm 


PEEJ

Pac and company is Arum. Arum is the one saying all of that, except for the needles and superstitious, and being weak. But all those other excuses where from Arum. Arum is the one negotiating. Not Pac. Pac probably has no clue what happens behind those doors. Floyd does and is involved with negotiations. Pac does not do anything against Arum, he is Arum puppet and that is because of his financial situation. Not talking about now but before his tax problems Pac was known for borrowing money from Arum. Large amounts of money

Posted January 6, 2014 5:44 pm 


get over it

Problem is Manny has no leverage, everyone knows Floyd dictates the terms of his fights because he is his own promoter, And anyone who fights him makes more than they did their entire career. Back in 09 Arum thought Manny was special they wanted to dictate everything drug testing the slit everything. But that not how it works. Floyd sets the terms and guys are lining up by the boat load to fight him why because they will have a shot at the limelight and get paid. Manny and Arum chose to walk away since then Manny has been beat twice and reduced to minimal money and interest in him took a serious dive. Now Floyd had all the power, He made over 100+million in 2013 Manny made only 5 million. He needs Floyd to help him to pay his bills. But I say hell no make him suffer. He turn down 40 million then went on to fight Marquez for 3 million only to get KTFO. Numbers don’t lie. Manny needs a huge fight and he needs it now, Floyd in the other hand can fight any of the top contenders and make another 75-100 million in ppv sales, You see Manny is the only person to benefit from them fight its not excuse it facts. An excuse it C.J. Ross cheated Manny out of the Bradley fight Or Marquez got lucky but he hasn’t avenged his losses.

Posted January 6, 2014 5:43 pm 


eric

The jokes on the boxing fans. The IRON CURTAIN wins.

Posted January 6, 2014 5:42 pm 


eric

Did pac say all these things , like building a stadium for the fight or did arum ssy that ?

I guess if arum says something, down the road manny said it not arum.

Posted January 6, 2014 5:41 pm 


Old Coot

Peej: Manny WAS about to sign… But Floyd sprung this juvenile, PED crap on him, literally at the last second… I clearly remember in the back of my mind thinking that Floyd was up to something, when he for the first time ever, agreed to everything in the first round of negotiations. Floyd NEVER agrees in the first round!! He planned this drug crap all along!

Posted January 6, 2014 5:37 pm 


PEEJ

I am not hating on anybody. It is most of you Pacfans that are hating on Floyd. When someone comes back at you with fact you say we are hating. So basically you should stop your hate.

Posted January 6, 2014 5:36 pm 


PEEJ

There would be no talk of rematch because Floyd would handle Pac. No defense + all offense = defeat when fighting Floyd.

Posted January 6, 2014 5:34 pm 


Old Coot

Mansworld: Whatever dude… You just trying to deflect from Floyd… You know Manny would LOVE to set the Bradley debacle straight!

Posted January 6, 2014 5:34 pm 


PEEJ

Tark, Floyd did not make demand after demand. Pac should of signed the fight in 09/10 plain and simple. After that Floyds brand soared higher than Pacs so there for money then became an issue. If Floyd is selling more PPVs which is where most of the big money comes from then he is gonna demand a bigger piece of the purse. That is just reality. You don’t see bench warmers making as much as Lebron do you?

Posted January 6, 2014 5:33 pm 


TARK

Pacquiao-Bradley wasn’t the first or last time Duane Ford and C.J. Ross had trouble seeing straight.

Posted January 6, 2014 5:32 pm 


Mansworld

Coot your boy should fight Bradley and stop ducking him. This article is garbage Arum will never let Manny fight Floyd and the public knows it, And it looks like they boycotted his fights I swear it does….

Posted January 6, 2014 5:30 pm 


Old Coot

Without Floyd’s assertions, we’d at the very least be talking re-match by now.

Posted January 6, 2014 5:26 pm 


Haimat

Who are these nerds, PEEJ, te tumbo and the rest om the “angry kids” on ESB? There is nothing to the thousands of posts you spend your valuable time to compose, just hate. Get a life. What do you write posts like “Pac lacks the confidence or professional integrity to defy Arum” Neither you, nor I know anything about the confidence or professional integrity of either Floyd, Burgos or Pac.

te tumbo used to have some humor at least. Now he’s just pathetic.

Posted January 6, 2014 5:25 pm 


Old Coot

Peej: Problem with YOUR list is that nearly ALL those are bases the same reason, Floyd making up false PED assertions that should have never demanded to start with…

Posted January 6, 2014 5:24 pm 


Old Coot

Tark: Hell Floyd ran outta room to move the goal posts, so he built another field to move them some more! LOL!!

Posted January 6, 2014 5:23 pm 


anonymous

Why would Pacquiao have to leave his contract to accommodate Floyd’s desire to promote the fight? Wouldn’t it make just as much sense the other way round? Maybe even more so with Pac having in place a sales outlet overseas whereas nobody outside of the US pays a cent to watch Mayweather.

Posted January 6, 2014 5:23 pm 


TARK

PEEJ.., Floyd made demand after demand and keeps moving the goal posts… Manny met every demand including letting Floyd have most of the money.

Arum was there before and it wasn’t an obstacle… Now, with all the other demands being satisfied, it’s “Get rid of Bob or no fight.”

Pacquiao.., “Anything ELSE Floyd? Do I have to wear pink boxing shoes?”

Posted January 6, 2014 5:22 pm 


Col

Pacquiao doesn’t need Floyd on his record. He knows he’s better, most of the public know he’s better, and of course Mayweather knows he’s better which is why he won’t get in the ring with him. Mayweather will always be known as the ducker.

Posted January 6, 2014 5:21 pm 


Anonymous

JB…you’re in the minority….did you not see Bradleys Jackpot winning reaction when the decision was announced. Did you not hear him tell Garcia, ‘ sorry, I tried my best? ” Did you not see how dejected and depressed he looked before the decision? If I weren’t mild mannered, I would say you’re biased because you’re black. And NO, I am not Asian.

Posted January 6, 2014 5:20 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Everytime there’s talk about Pac-Floyd discussions he moves the goal posts. This latest move – requring an opponent to terminate his agreement with his promoter – is absurd and unprecedented in boxing or any other sport for that matter. Just be a man and admit you won’t fight him under any circumstances.

Posted January 6, 2014 5:19 pm 


Cartoon

If arum frees pacman then floyd will say “sign to mayweather promotions” floyd don’t want that fight period due to mannys style and speed! Mannys mistake was saying “no” to bloodtesting that was a bluff on floyds part floyd has no intentions on fighting manny 50 cent said floyd never puts himself in a position where he might lose . This is plain and simple floyd had doubts he can beat pacman so he AVOIDED pacman floyd smart guy i give him credit but he the most overrated fighter in history

Posted January 6, 2014 5:16 pm 


PEEJ

Floyd is the champion, who cares about the titles.

Posted January 6, 2014 5:14 pm 


JB

Sorry anonymous, Bradley PAC fight WAS close but in Bradley’s favor.

Posted January 6, 2014 5:13 pm 


PEEJ

Pacs Excuses

1. I am afraid of needles
2. I am superstitious
3. It makes me weak
4. Floyd doesn’t pick the dates I fight
5. Floyd is going to jail
6. There needs to be a stadium built
7. It has to be 50/50 even though I don’t sell as much as Floyd
8. I have a cut that wont heal in time but I will fight a month earlier
9. HBO has to be apart of the promotion even though I don’t have a contract with HBO
10. You have to be a Top Rank fighter for me to fight you

Posted January 6, 2014 5:12 pm 


Anonymous

R. Smith….you are in the minority of fans who believe Pac lost to Bradley. Your two cents will not convince the majority Bradley won. He is after all, the only champion with no losses who has actually lost twice. He’s has lost once in his last 3 fights and that loss was by a hail mary. You do know what a hail mary pass is, right?

Posted January 6, 2014 4:55 pm 


Tomato Can

will this talk ever end?

Posted January 6, 2014 4:52 pm 


Old Coot

Brandon St. Randy: I appreciate you reminding me about Floyd’s avoiding Manny, excuse # 7… I’d forgotten about Floyd’s laughable, “He can have the belt, because belts don’t make Floyd Mayweather”, excuse! THANKS!!! LOL!

Posted January 6, 2014 4:51 pm 


Brandon St. Randy

Shouldnt have to Mayweather is a fighter so is Pacman. Mayweather is vacating belts to avoid Arum? How can his fans stand behind that?

Posted January 6, 2014 4:45 pm 


eric

Very true y’all.

Do you know what makes the wise man wise ?

He knows he dosent have all the answers and isnt afraid to ask questions.

Its east to “CHERRY PICK” in floyds defense 100 % of the time and when one does so, they tend to loose credibilit, and thats in any arena in life including political arenas.

Posted January 6, 2014 4:44 pm 


te tumbo

NO, and Manny* lacks the confidence or professional integrity to defy Arum.

Posted January 6, 2014 4:42 pm 


yall

Listen to peej y’all he is the master and knows all things boxing, bow down before the only man in boxing land with 100% of all answers to any question regaurding mayweather, he knows best lol. Dudes a homo

Posted January 6, 2014 4:36 pm 


Old Coot

Correction:

4) Manny must sign with TMT;

5) Manny is no longer a worthy opponent;

6) Now AGAIN, it’s Manny needs to leave Arum!!… AGAIN!!!

Posted January 6, 2014 4:36 pm 


Old Coot

Floyd’s excuses:

1) Manny won’t take the tests;

2) Manny won’t leave Arum;

3) Manny won’t let me rob him in the purse split;

4) Manny must sign with TMT;

4) Manny is no longer a worthy opponent;

5) Now AGAIN, it’s Manny needs to leave Arum!!… AGAIN!!!

Manny’s ONLY excuse-

1. You will NOT be allowed to dictate to me, by insulting my hard earned legacy, with false accusations of me cheating, with NO evidence, or even so much as a REAL rumor!!

(Quite, unlike the REAL rumors that FLOYD himself, got waivers from USADA, to cover up his failing 3 PED blood-test from NSAC before the Mosley, Ortiz and Cotto fights!! And this despite demanding Mosley take RBT himself!) LOL!!

Posted January 6, 2014 4:35 pm 


Old Coot

Floyd, misjudged, and thought Cotto was too slow at LMW… However, Cotto surprised and scared Floyd a bit, because he hit him more than any opponent in Floyd’s last 5 fights… And bloodied him too. That’s why Floyd went back to fighting lead-foots called Guerrero and Alvarez. And will NEVER fight Pac-Man!! LOL!

Posted January 6, 2014 4:23 pm 


KING

Floyd is a control freak. Money is his god and his nuthuggers are his disciples.

Posted January 6, 2014 4:21 pm 


rod

Even if Manny left Arum just for this fight, Floyd would probably come up with another excuse. Floyd is scared his ’0′ might go. His ‘undefeated’ tag is his big claim to legendary greatness…

Posted January 6, 2014 4:18 pm 


PEEJ

Absolutely. Once Arum is out the fight will be made and made easily. Look how easy it was for the Cotto fight to be made. That should be the blueprint.

Posted January 6, 2014 4:09 pm 


Old Coot

Titopa: NOPE!! He will concoct some as yet unheard of ‘reason’ why not. Or he’ll fake retirement again.

Posted January 6, 2014 4:09 pm 


D

The thing to do with Mayweather is call his bluff at every turn.

When you finally have him cornered with no way out—kick his ass.

Don’t forget about the 2nd part, because it’s as hard as getting him to fight.

Posted January 6, 2014 4:08 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – I believe that if Manny is a free agent, Floyd will fight him immediately…the fight will be EASY to make and Manny will make more money than he ever has in his entire career, and he won’t have to worry about cutting Top Rank 20% of his purse, Manny should’ve became a free agent a long time ago.

Posted January 6, 2014 4:05 pm 


Col

Manny should tell that wannabe control freak Mayweather to piss off. It’s none of his business who Pacquiao deals with, and besides, he’ll just look for another excuse not to fight Manny. Face it, it’s not going to happen.

Posted January 6, 2014 3:54 pm 


Ghetto Thug

475,000 buys proves that nobody gives a damn about the fighter of the decade*, just Pacturds keep him relevent, they still live in the hypedream where he was built

Posted January 6, 2014 3:52 pm 


Teepee

Arum won’t let that happen cuz he wants the$$ but if PAC had some balls it could get done for one fight and PAC could give bob his split of the$ but it won’t happen plus I’m over the fight cuz to manny ego’s for this fight I can careless at this point

Posted January 6, 2014 3:47 pm 


Khan’s Cuz Achmed

I know Pac and Money May will do everything possible to avoid fighting my cuz Amir. It is really sad because he would behead both infidel’s and bring home a huge check in honor of our family and of Allah. Too bad the infidel’s won’t sign the contracts out of fear.

Posted January 6, 2014 3:44 pm 


Old Coot

Manny needs to free himself. But I’m sorry, I just don’t think Floyd will fight him regardless… I often half-jokingly jab that the minute Manny leaves Arum, Floyd will announce another fake retirement, to duck him again… But in reality, I expect Floyd to demand Manny join TMT, as a conditions for their fight… That’s half of the main reason he wants Manny to leave Arum… Floyd hopes to stick it to Bob twice… By, 1. Cutting Arum totally out of ANY money related to Floyd, and 2. By stealing his top fighter and rubbing his nose in such a feat. However, Floyd has to know Manny would NEVER sign with TMT, so he is content to just cut Arum out, with the added bonus of using Manny’s refusal to sign with TMT as another excuse to not fight him.

Posted January 6, 2014 3:35 pm 


Россия Москва

Floyd Mayweather let him fight Amir Khan and before the fight should be the inscription —-
I Floyd Mayweather kick ass sparing partner Manny” Pacquiao

Posted January 6, 2014 3:28 pm 


Ghetto Thug

475,000 buys, pretty lame for the fighter of the decade*

Posted January 6, 2014 3:17 pm 


dwc

Arum is a typical greedy bussiness scum…who will drain anyone to the last drop and use them up,then kick them to the curb.Arum free pac while there is still a dollar to make…no way!!! Maybe he would free him if pac promises to hand over half his purse to him…lol.

Posted January 6, 2014 3:09 pm 


Iron Mike

Nice thought, but I doubt Arum would leave himself out of the biggest fight that can be made. Unless that contract extenstion hes been in talks with pac man about have some sort of language giving pac a 1 fight hiatus, I just don’t see it. If pac resigns his contract with more years with Arum, a Mayweather fight will never happen.

Posted January 6, 2014 3:05 pm 


john smith

just for one fight why not show to the world that maynever really a pussy

Posted January 6, 2014 2:59 pm 



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