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Ali2727

that’s a good thing for JMM that there was not a rematch clause in their last fight, JMM would have suffered a beating or good possibly be koed. JMM was beat up so bad in six res, he will never fight PAC again!

Posted January 10, 2014 9:27 pm 


BEARS

you cant get anything objective from a nuthugger like peej or tumbo who keeps putting asterisk next to pax name to try and smear the guy with unfounded accusations of ped use. these cats ate blinded by their nut huggery and any and all objectivity went out the window. to the plethora of mayweather excuses tumbo simply responds “pac should accept anything and work on his marketability” now this is a flaw in boxing and wor onto any “boxing fan” that perpetuates. that is…..

this is a fight sport where real “fans” wanna see and should expect the best fights being made no the most ” marketable” thats why the promoter and alphabet soup sanctioning bodies based system boxing employs is garbage. dana whites system is far superior because it gets fans the best fights available consistently and often. when u have supposed boxing fans talking like tumbos nuthuggery saying marketability and discussing money i question the veracity of any of these cats claims to be “boxing fans”. its like saying nfl teams should not have to play the jaguars or the titans because they have no marketability. in terms of the fight game as far as fans are considered marketability and numbers mean nothing. just make the best fights. anyone saying anything else is a fan o marketability, numbers, and money not boxing. so there probably floyd nuthuggers who futilely try to deffend mayweather.

Posted January 10, 2014 1:56 am 


te tumbo

Floyd’s goal posts have remained firm and constant: #1 P4P and Undefeated. it’s Pacquiao’s* ring-profile that’s shifted with underwhelming performances v. handpicked competition that have severely tilted the negotiating table in “Money’s” favor. it’s not as if Pacquiao* has ever conceded a Single Damn Thing in negotiations with previous opponents. including ones that just planted him butts-up and face-first into the ring canvas. why should Floyd? at this point, Manny* shouldn’t be angling or negotiating for paydays. salvaging what’s left of his marketability should be his priority and he should be exceedingly grateful for any multimillion dollar payday and the privilege of facing the #1 P4P fighter in the sport. Pacquiao’s* damaged goods and slipping fast.

Posted January 9, 2014 6:25 pm 


Fight Aficionado

PEEJ you’ve been sucking Floyd’s balls all over this thread. Obv it’s Floyd who doesn’t want the fight otherwise he wouldn’t have constantly moved the goal posts every time Pac agreed to his terms. Nor would he have cited his health concerns of actually fighting Pac if he didn’t fear getting his face smashed in.

Posted January 9, 2014 5:59 pm 


john smith

problem with Floyd have too many excuses financial this and that ………you are still a ghetto after your carreer wAS OVER …YOU ARE POOR A RAT

Posted January 9, 2014 4:54 pm 


Ghetto Thug

Hidalgo, nobody gives a crap about the Phonyao – Rob Arum affair, maybe showtime should have signed Phonyao instead of Floyd due to his “agressive and exiting to watch” style but they prefered the “boring” style. Top Crap lost all of the welter weights that used to have like Cotto, Cowardttley, Cheato and now Phonyao is doomed to fight Bradley, Rios, his owner Marquez and maybe Cotto one time and another and another and another until he retires, no big deal for viewers who will defintly go and watch “the boring style” of Floyd instead, too bad the fear for needles made him lose +40 millions, Phonyao should drop Rob Arum and fight Floyd like Cotto did (the one who haters used to said that Floyd was affraid of but their tiny intelect didnt allow them to watch the reality, the same reality we are living now with the Floyd – Phonyao argument)

Posted January 9, 2014 4:32 pm 


PEEJ

Yeah it is definitely clear that Pac and company want none of Floyd. What a shame, supposed to be a great but when it comes to Floyd they tucked there tail and came up with excuses on why not to fight.

Posted January 9, 2014 4:28 pm 


Hecdog

Floyd Mayweather is simply and clearly afraid of Manny Pacquiao. He first started with the Ped accusations. He was sued, paid big money and left that alone. Since then he has came up with excuse after excuse and now sees the opportunity to use Arum as the crutch. Manny clearly stated on ESPN that he would agree to all Floyd’s demands and accept the lesser percentage. Floyd as usual never responded. There’s no hiding the fact that Floyd is scared. He then begins babbling recently about how much he offered Manny before blah, blah, blah. Who cares? Stop using Arum as your excuse because the boxing world doesn’t believe you any more. How can one man (Arum) have so much power over a man that says he’s his own boss and makes his own decisions (Mayweather). Seems like Floyd doesn’t have the power he thinks or boasts that he has. Trust me, if Floyd wanted to make this fight happen, he would. Floyd fans have to stop believing Floyd’s lies and contradictions. It’s really not about money because Floyd has more than enough to last him and his family a life time. It’s all about a man named Manny Pacquiao that struck fear in the hearts of the Mayweathers ever since he came on the scene. Look at the trail of excuses, accusations and running Floyd has done. Floyd Mayweather is now the joke of the boxing world. He carries no credibility. He’s mocked by just about everyone including his peers. All of this because Manny Pacquiao, arguably the greatest fighter of all time and the most exciting of all time continues to chase Floyd at every corner. Manny’s name rises as Floyd’s name falls in the eyes of sports fans all over the world.

Posted January 9, 2014 4:07 pm 


Pac the needy sucka!

Pac is a needy sucka right about now!

Posted January 9, 2014 3:46 pm 


GBP

C’mon FLOYDIOTS tell your girl to stop brouhaha and fight PAC, LOL LAL…

Posted January 9, 2014 3:40 pm 


PEEJ

Thats an excuse. Floyd saying Pac is now begging for a fight is considered an excuse. Thats ridiculous. Needing a stadium built is an excuse. The fight can’t happen in May because Floyd is going to jail in June is an excuse.

Posted January 9, 2014 3:36 pm 


GBP

PACQUAIO is now begging the fight…FLOYD’S PRESENT EXCUSE, HAHAHA.

Posted January 9, 2014 3:34 pm 


moonshineman

Bak,Bak,Bak,Bak,Bak SOS, Bak,Bak,Bak,Bak

Posted January 9, 2014 2:38 pm 


Brad Pitt

Duckweather is still avoiding Manny.

Posted January 9, 2014 2:01 pm 


Happyboy

Old Fool – the clown happens to be #1 P4P champion, # PPV KING, highest paid athlete, unbeaten 2 X division champion while Pac is fighting lightweight drug cheating punchbags, drawing 375K PPVs in country with a population of over a billion

Posted January 9, 2014 1:45 pm 


lionhard

Hidalgo….youre dropping gems with that post…..informative!!!

Posted January 9, 2014 10:59 am 


PEEJ

Old Coot constantly says Floyd has moved the goal post but fails to say how many times Pac and company have moved the goal post. Still waiting on that stadium to be built guys. Have they even started it yet?

Posted January 9, 2014 10:56 am 


Hidalgo

“Im wondering if these Pacturds have realized that Phonyao cant get a deal of +200 millions for six fights”

Ghetto Thug, Mayweather getting the six fight deal had a lot to do with the intense competition for viewers between the two media giants HBO and Showtime. It’s like Mercedes Benz acquiring Chrysler Corporation. If you want to compete effectively in a certain market, you have to have the products to compete with.

Showtime has guaranteed a lot of money to Floyd Mayweather Jr. but it expects a lot in return from Floyd. It’s no different when one major league baseball team signs a player, like A-Rod, with a record-breaking multimillion dollar contract. Certainly Floyd is basically a “sure-thing” when it comes to PPVs but it was the “takeover” strategy that Showtime successfully used when it took Mayweather from HBO.

Showtime needed Floyd but Floyd need Showtime as well. After all, did HBO offer Floyd a $200 million six-fight contract? No. That’s why Floyd now fights for Showtime.

And don’t forget to factor Bob Arum into the picture when you talk about Pacquiao not being able to get a deal like Floyd did. While Arum has been Manny’s greatest asset for success, he has also held him back in certain ways.

Posted January 9, 2014 9:55 am 


Ali2727

Floyd should have his face with his effervescent smile on every Kentucky Fried Chicken 15 pc bucket. He should have a million dollar contract to promote Fried Chicken because he is the GREATEST Chicken of all t

Posted January 9, 2014 5:31 am 


Ali2727

Floyd should have his face with his effervescent smile on every Kentucky Fried Chicken 15 pc bucket. He should have a million dollar contract to promote Fried Chicken because he is the GREATEST Chicken of all time! He got his chock’n,and cluck’n down soo good that even that Filipino lefty Pac won’t have a chance, Floyd will fly all over the ring leaving feathers and a couple of popcorn chicken bites, and he be cluck’n I am the GREATEST CHICKEN of ALL TiMMME! and Floyd will also lay eggs in shape of zeros all 50 of them, yelling 50 have come and 50 eggs have gone! Cuz I AM THE GREATEST CHICKEN CRAPPER OF ALL TIME! And they will present him with his HOF trophy, yea you guess it a big bucket of Family size Kentucky Fried Chicken, have some Ellerbe and don’t forget the zero shaped eggs that sometimes looks like tomatoes and cherries.

Posted January 9, 2014 5:30 am 


LOL

@Naat What a MORON. He’s pretneding to be smart but guess what there are more than 365 days in a year. It gets adjusted very LEAP year MORON. Your caclucations are off because you’re probably a stupid Pactard.

Posted January 9, 2014 4:49 am 


Ghetto Thug

Naat, its good for some guys that Supreme Court left, he used to kick rears up and down that I felt pity for them

Posted January 9, 2014 4:48 am 


Ghetto Thug

Im wondering if these Pacturds have realized that Phonyao cant get a deal of +200 millions for six fights, Floyd with his “boring” style did it and is getting insane amounts of money and Phonyao with “agressive and exicting to watch” style is broke and got lame 450,000 buys in his last outing

Posted January 9, 2014 2:54 am 


BEARS

old coot hit the nail on the head with his explanation of excuses on floyds part ( moving the goal post) its CLRARLY FLOYD DODGING AS HE ALWYAS HAS BUT LOOK WHATS FUNNY.

floyd nut huggerrs actually did this number. ” yeah yeah manny has to take less money. even said this 3 years ago when there was absoutely no rationale. manny agrees now its drug testing. floyd nuthuggers ” yeah yeah pac has to submit” pac agrees. floyd moves the goal post again beat bradley and jmm somehow your not worthy but kahn is. floyd nuthuggers “yeah yeah whatever floyd says do it, he moves the goal post and we move with it” goal post moves again floyd says ditch arum nuthuggers say in unison ” yeah yeah now arums the problem floyd is perfect pac shares in the blame of this fight not happening.” seriously the most disgraceful party in this process are no doubt the floyd nuthuggers. they are not objective boxing fans just floyd nuthuggers like peej is a prime example. they keep repeating their nuthuggery blindly like daily worship to their idol who can clearly do no wrong. guys like peej can be found at the fraud altar worshipping fraud mayweather. these guys are more disgraceful than mayweather. at least mayweathers rationale is protecting a multi million dollar guranteed piggy bank. these nuthuggers have no other reason beyond nut huggery. lol @ floyd nuthuggers.

Posted January 9, 2014 1:51 am 


Shawn

This author can’t possibly believe the stuff he writes, he just can’t. Dude, you and everybody else knows, PBF never wanted to step in the ring with Pac-man. And today, it’s the same old story. More excuses to not step up and fight your biggest challenge.

Posted January 9, 2014 12:49 am 


Old Coot

Bail out my ass… Yet another fake “reason” to duck Manny… I mean, is this clown serious?

Posted January 9, 2014 12:22 am 


Floyd Xylocaine Mayweather

@Naat
WHAT iS 1 trillion light years,primate?.
……………………………………………………………………………………….
LMAO

No disrespect to THE PRINCE, I just like the way Naat worded the question and ended with Primate?

Posted January 8, 2014 11:53 pm 


Big Rich

I think people fail to realise that if Pac had fought Floyd in 2010 imagine how big his tax bill would be now. win lose or draw.
The bottom line is Manny needs to take control of his affairs and employ a big professional company to manage his finances as oppose to his friends!

Posted January 8, 2014 10:33 pm 


Tomato Can

Hildago, yes it’s noticeable… Who’s his strength and condioning coach? lol

Posted January 8, 2014 9:31 pm 


Old Coot

Floydiots can say what ya’ll want… But ya’ll know Floyd is still scared of Manny… So leaving Arum will only compel Floyd to make some new excuse… I’m betting he will fake illness and “retire”, or get himself thrown in jail again. in the mean time, all I know is that before Khan fights Floyd, he better demand USADA cease letting Floyd pay for waivers when he fails blood-tests… Manny never has to. LOL!!

Posted January 8, 2014 8:36 pm 


Hidalgo

Anyone else but me notice that Mayweather is looking more muscular and ripped than ever?

Posted January 8, 2014 8:29 pm 


Havoc

The Peince- yeah move on! Ducked!

Posted January 8, 2014 8:26 pm 


Havoc

That’s because Floyd don’t want to fight! Duh!

Posted January 8, 2014 8:24 pm 


The Prince

“There is nothing wrong to get taken advantage to make big bucks in the hand of a soft pillow puncher.” So why didn’t Manny do the same and make the big bucks fighting a soft pillow puncher? Thanks for proving my point. I’ll move on now. Not a challenge for The Prince.

Posted January 8, 2014 8:22 pm 


The Prince

Havoc – Typical patty tactic. I don’t remember saying they DUMPED Arum. I said they left him to fight with Mayweather, meaning they didn’t resign once their contract was up. I thought this was common knowledge that I didn’t have to give a mathematical equation. Try and keep up. Either way you slice it, Manny is responsible for the fight not happening. He had his chance and blew it. Cotto and Marquez didn’t make that mistake. Facts, sad one, facts.

Posted January 8, 2014 8:19 pm 


Havoc

The Prince- Cotto , Marquez, didn’t dump Arum to make the fight with Floyd! Your excuse is as lame as Floyd. Thier contract expired. Before they left Arum they are a big stars and rich. There is nothing wrong to get taken advantage to make big bucks in the hand of a soft pillow puncher.

Posted January 8, 2014 8:14 pm 


The Prince

Havoc – Demands out of the ordinary? Yet, Cotto, Marquez, Canelo, I could go on didn’t have a problem agreeing to those harsh demands and earning their biggest payday. Like I said, Cotto and Marquez even left Top Rank to give into such uncommon demands. Guerrero is still living it up from the Mayweather sweepstakes. I know it’s unusual for a boxer to be in complete control of his career where he can make such demands, but Floyd is that boxer. Please hate him for it. It only makes him richer.

Posted January 8, 2014 8:08 pm 


zera

now, not putting the blame on anyone, this is from a true Pac fan (but with facts aligned) but as far as i am concerned Pac already agreed on the ff:

1. Random Blood Testing (no more issues here i guess?)
2. Purse Split, ok, now that Pac PPV numbers are down, he should take less

Now Floyd gave NEW DEMANDS/CONDITIONS

1. Defeat Bradley
2. Defeat Marquez
3. KICK ARUM

for me, Floyd gives this conditions because

1. He doesn’t want to fight a guy who got trashed by the guy he just trashed, Marquez rings a bell (like what he said, it is a no win win situation) i understand that,
2. Floyd is a smart business man, he doesn’t want to share his success to the guy who robbed him (BOB ARUM! THE CROOK!)
3. Fix Pac’s problem with the IRS and Floyd doesn’t want to be the guy who will save him

But Floyd, when? everyone knows PAC WILL GET SCHOOLED, even the version 2009 of Pac!! Floyd, all the cards are in your hands, advantages to fight Pac NOW:

1. take advantage of the BIGGER PURSE SPLIT
2. ONCE AND FOR ALL SILENCE ALL YOUR CRITICS
3. BE THE GOAT THAT YOU ARE CLAIMING

and pls… don’t fight KHAN, you are saying PAC IS NOT ON YOUR LEVEL, THEN WHO IS?? KHAN?? no one is in your level Floyd, everyone knows that, you already said it yourself, PAC IS AN EASY FIGHT, then why not FIGHT HIM NOW???

if Pac already agreed on your NEW CONDITIONS, what will be your NEWER CONDITIONS?? please Floyd, GIVE US THE CLOSURE US FANS NEED!!

AS FOR PAC, BE YOUR OWN MAN!! LEAVE ARUM!! ARUM IS ROBBING YOU MONEY, YOUR LEGACY, AND YOUR FUTURE!! (which he won’t, Arum is a TAX LAWYER! only God knows what will happen to Pac if he leaves Arum hanging)

Posted January 8, 2014 8:07 pm 


Havoc

The Prince – so you are saying Arum don’t want manny to fight Floyd!? Cause if the reason the fight can’t be made because Arum keep throwing something out there that is just plain BS. Floyd make demands out of the ordinary and put blame on a promoter.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:58 pm 


Old Coot

@ Havoc: You got that right!… Floyd is running out of excuses… You can clearly see that when Floyd realized Manny will agree to any drug testing and purse split, Floyd demands, then Floyd hatched the excuse, that Manny is not longer worthy, which is clown car of die-hard fans helped him peddle, to duck Manny, just like the PED nonsense. Yet Floyd thinks Khan IS worthy? Then when fans and pundits alike laughed at that excuse, and after Manny surprisingly looked as good as ever against Rios, NOW Floyd’s the excuse is to again demand that Manny leave Arum, which Floyd knows will buy him another year of stalling and hoping the fans will give up on the fight, or that Manny will finally REALLY lose a step… That’s when Floyd will finally fight him, when he’s slowed down like when Floyd ducked Mosley for 6 years… Which will be perfect because unlike Manny, Floyd has had far fewer fights, only one re-match, and has intentionally never chosen an opponent who could really get to and damage him.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:57 pm 


The Prince

You can’t argue against evidence. The fight could’ve been made twice, but it was Arum who threw a wretch in both opportunities and Pacquiao went along with it. And like the article said, each time Manny did this, it backfired on him. Again, when Marquez and Cotto left Arum to make a fight with Mayweather, he accepted. All he asked was that they agree to the random drug testing, which both of them did. Manny and his phoney fans have no excuse for why the fight won’t likely happen now. Top Rank destroyed it and Manny sat by and let it happen. History will record it as such, because you can hate Mayweather until your heart rots, but you can’t despite facts.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:45 pm 


zera

with Pac having problems in the IRS, I highly doubt that he’ll fight again in the US heck! we don’t even know if he gets inside US will he ever be able to go BACK?? i bet US won’t release him once he gets inside.

problem is… ROB ARUM!!

Posted January 8, 2014 7:43 pm 


curtley

Havoc exactly far better put than my rant, can u imagine if you also has PPV in China the numbers would probably be double Floyds and Oscars figures combined, this is not a US hast campaign, this PPV is crap I bet if you took the viewing figures of Ali big fights worldwide it would make Floyds PPV figures look pathetic, Manny is the first truly crossover star in boxing since Ali, again not saying he is the better fighter but Manny’s popularity as ‘the draw’ on global terms is on a different level to Floyd.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:41 pm 


Havoc

If the Philippines is not a third world country all the PPV buys will be broken.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:36 pm 


curtley

Peej don’t be a fool I could counter by saying Floyds PPV numbers only prove his popularity in the US so prove nothing about his popularity worldwide, all you are talking about with PPV numbers is Floyds popularity in the US. I am no Pac fan as you say and actually think Floyd is the much better fighter but in terms of worldwide popularity Manny is Goliath to Floyds David, anyone with half a brain would see that the guy gets mobbed in most countries in the eastern world which makes up 80% of the world population where Floyd would probably not get recognised in the street. I understand that US PPV is massively important as it ‘pays the bills’ but don’t get it twisted and suggest it has anything to do with worldwide appeal, damn 50% of Manny’s fans probably don’t even have TV as where Manny is from poverty means fighting for food whereas in the US poverty means only eating Mcd’s every other day!

Posted January 8, 2014 7:35 pm 


Havoc

The whole nation supports and very proud of him! Let see, what about Mayweather? Huh big PPV maker from good cherry picking.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:34 pm 


Havoc

Peej- I agree 100% Pac lose 2 fights but I guarantee you Floyd is more scared now than ever. Manny will dish out to Floyd what he did to Marquez and Bradley.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:32 pm 


PEEJ

And Pac is bigger than anybody there. Crime rate drops to zero when he fights

Posted January 8, 2014 7:29 pm 


PEEJ

No money in that.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:28 pm 


Havoc

Peej- you should go to the Philippines when Manny fight. Guarantee Floyd’s PPV # doesn’t compare to Manny’s live free Brodcast on TV. You just have to put up with excessive commercials.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:27 pm 


PEEJ

I talk boxing wherever I go if I can. Bars, work, basketball court. The debate always comes up. Never came across that if they knew one didn’t know the other

Posted January 8, 2014 7:25 pm 


PEEJ

Really, fighting Riis was a tune up fight. That’s funny. Pac has yet to convincingly beat a boxer or counter puncher. He has convincingly taken an L by one. Heck by 2. He needs Bradley and needs to beat him to even say he is ready for Floyd. And like Rios, Guerrero was a tune up fight. Only difference is he sold a million plus in his tune up

Posted January 8, 2014 7:24 pm 


PEEJ

Pac fans always try to use this world wide stuff. Show me some world wide numbers. Tell me where I can go to look this stuff up so I can see for myself. Y’all keep talking about it but can’t show nothing. I can at least look up Floyd’s numbers compared to Pacs.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:22 pm 


Havoc

Peej- 475 thousand for a tune up fight! Everybody knows that. Now, bring on Floyd! Oops he just avoided Manny again for this year.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:22 pm 


curtley

I love the way Peej uses PPV buys as the draw. Let me spell it out PPV IS JUST THOSE WHO CAN OR CAN AFFORD TO BUY THE FIGHT!!!! If their fights were free to everyone in the world (just a fantasy scenario) far far more people would watch Manny, not saying he the better fighter but worldwide (not just the US) is the far bigger draw!

Posted January 8, 2014 7:21 pm 


Havoc

Peej- try and eat at a restaurant and ask about Manny Pacqiuoa and they will tell you they know the guy and then ask them again if they know Floyd. Try it.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:20 pm 


curtley

‘We already know he’s not gonna break the Canelo fight’ who knows that I bet you if the fight happens it will beat the PPV and worldwide viewing figures it will demolish it. Manny is the bigger fighter worldwide without a shadow of a doubt, trouble is guys like Peej always look at things from a US perspective, I wonder who is the more popular fighter in Asia the most populous region of the world by far?

Posted January 8, 2014 7:19 pm 


PEEJ

Really. 475 thousand PPV buys. That’s not wishing that’s fact

Posted January 8, 2014 7:18 pm 


Havoc

Peej- Manny is a draw now until he retire. Believe it man.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:18 pm 


Havoc

Peej- you wish.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:16 pm 


PEEJ

Pac is not a huge draw. We will see what his numbers are after the Bradley fight but as of now his days as a huge draw are behind him

Posted January 8, 2014 7:16 pm 


PEEJ

We already know he’s not gonna break the Canelo fight. But I bet he does a million plus.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:15 pm 


PEEJ

Yes I understand that. I am saying Floyd vs Pac is not gonna out do the Canelo fight. And Pacs drawing poser is at an all time low. There is no way all 475 thousand of shoes where simply Pac fans. Rios has a nice following himself.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:14 pm 


Havoc

Let Floyd fights Khan and let see if he breaks the Canelo fight.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:13 pm 


Havoc

Peej- excuse me but Floyd ain’t fighting himself. It takes two to tango. Canelo is very popular and Canelo is the reason why he makes more PPV with Floyd than Floyd made with Guerrero. Do you see what I’m talking here.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:09 pm 


hecubus

ok a million plus…that was all floyd. no one who is a casual boxing fan knows who guerrero is…..Danny garcia probably more mojo in regards to recognition and could help sell a fight better than guerrero, but again, no way he comes close to a pacquiao fight…..Casual fans dont know who he is and/or he isnt a huge draw like pacquiao

Posted January 8, 2014 7:07 pm 


Havoc

Peej- that’s not how I remember things.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:06 pm 


PEEJ

Canelo probably does have tons of fans. He did 40 thousand in San Antonio. What’s your point? Fact is Floyd still sells more PPVs than anybody. There is no way to tell if the people buying the PPVs are fans of either fighter

Posted January 8, 2014 7:06 pm 


PEEJ

No that was an excuse. He knew Floyd wasn’t gonna wait around. First it was Floyd can’t dictate the date, the. It was he can’t dictate the venue, then it was Pac has a cut, the. It was Floyd’s going to jail, the when they figured he wasn’t going till Jayne they changed it up and said there needs to be a stadium. The excuses from Pac and company are endless. And people wonder why Floyd doesn’t want to work with Arum

Posted January 8, 2014 7:04 pm 


Havoc

Peej- I guess Canelo has tons of fans. I’m pretty sure the Mexicans are not rooting for Floyd.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:04 pm 


PEEJ

I wasn’t talking about Mikey I was talking about Danny. Well I was saying it is not the biggest meaning it won’t surpass what Floyd vs Canelo did. And Floyd’s fight with Guerrero sold a million plus. That is directly from showtimes VP

Posted January 8, 2014 7:02 pm 


curtley

Ok so it is the biggest fight that can be made so you admit you were wrong and whilst I like Floyd as a fighter do you not think its a bit pathetic to spite the fans who want the fight just because you don’t like Arum? Also PPV buys do not prove popularity as a good number of Mannys fans from his home country probably don’t even have a TV if the fight was free to all Manny would be the draw worldwide, but sure Floyd will do the bigger numbers PPV in his own country, do you think he would do more if you could get the same figures from the rest of the world. Floyd may be the better fighter but Manny worldwide is the bigger one, I have never seen Floyd mobbed by screaming fans, in fact the only fighter I can think of who is bigger than Manny was Ali who is the biggest athlete of all time in any sport bar none.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:01 pm 


Havoc

Peej- so you think the big stadium is a BS. I think you miss understood. I think what they are talking is to have the fight outdoor so more people can see it live. Have you watch an outdoor concert or some sort? I think that what’s Arum and everybody is talking about.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:00 pm 


hecubus

…or have you forgotten the mayweather/guerrero fight? of the 900K PPV buys, Mayweather sold 899, 950 of those buys

Posted January 8, 2014 7:00 pm 


hecubus

that is NOT what you said, PEEJ….

“Floyd vs Pac is no longer the biggest fight to be made”

and there’s NO WAY IN HELL that a fight with Mikey Garcia comes anywhere close in money, PPV #’s or interest from the public in comparison to a pacquiao fight. nobody outside of hardcore boxing fans know who mikey garcia is

Posted January 8, 2014 6:59 pm 


PEEJ

Heck with the way Garcia has been looking it could be possible a fight with him would be just as big as a fight with Pac. But Garcia says he doesn’t want Floyd at this time.

Posted January 8, 2014 6:56 pm 


PEEJ

There are no new demands. Floyd made it very clear after they said a stadium needed to be built that he would never work with Arum again. So sorry but Pac and company let the time pass. That’s what happens when you work for the promoter instead the promoter working for you.

Posted January 8, 2014 6:55 pm 


PEEJ

I am saying it will not break any records. You may be right as being the fight that can make the most money now but it will not break any records. And with Arum in the picture fight isn’t happening anyways.

Posted January 8, 2014 6:54 pm 


curtley

still waiting for Peej to let us know the bigger fight than Floyd vs Manny oh that’s right he cant because there clearly ain’t one!

Posted January 8, 2014 6:49 pm 


curtley

Havoc spot on, all this PPV BS is smoke and mirrors as its just those who can afford the fight, I can assure you if their fights were free as all greats in the past were and available to all Manny’s viewing figures from the Philliines and Asia alone would dwarf anything Floyd could dream of not saying he is the better fighter but definitely the more popular one world wide!

Posted January 8, 2014 6:48 pm 


Havoc

Peej- is more like Floyd let the time pass…and now Floyd added another year because of the new demand.

Posted January 8, 2014 6:45 pm 


Havoc

Who cares is the draw. It will be the biggest payday of both fighter.

Posted January 8, 2014 6:43 pm 


curtley

Peej don’t be daft you may not like Manny but that is stupid what fight would be bigger?

Posted January 8, 2014 6:40 pm 


hecubus

name a bigger one?

Posted January 8, 2014 6:40 pm 


PEEJ

Floyd vs Pac is no longer the biggest fight to be made. Pac and company let that time pass

Posted January 8, 2014 6:38 pm 


PEEJ

Old Coot says the same old thing. Pac is the draw because of his fighting style. I guess drawing 475 thousand is a draw to him. Claims people only watch Floyd to see him lose. Well like Ali said, watch me to win or watch me to lose, as long as you watch me. Heck they are not even tuning in to watch Pacs exciting style. So really Old Coots theory is a lousy one and can only be proven IF Floyd loses. IF is the key word

Posted January 8, 2014 6:35 pm 


curtley

All this BS about PPV buys is just that, BS. What fight on the planet is worth the most money, probably of all time? I find it strange that the man who calls himself ‘money’ doesn’t want the money. There can only be 2 reasons, 1 he is scared which is highly unlikely as he is an amazing fighter or 2 he just wants to punish Pac and Arum, problem is this spiteful attitude is also punishing fans who want to see the fight which will always alienate him to the neutral fan like me as Manny even in Floyds words is ‘begging for the fight’ like the boxing public. The Pactards will always blindly support Manny and the Floydbots Floyd but I can tell you in the gym I box at least the guys who are fight fans, not fighter fans are all annoyed with FMJ for not giving us what we want just to spite Manny!

Posted January 8, 2014 6:32 pm 


Papo

Again, just because Floyd easily beat the guy (Marquez) that KO Pac or Pac KO the one fighter (Cotto) that gave Floyd a bloody nose doesn’t mean a thing on who wins if they were to fight. We can all speculate about the winner based on their performance and boxing abilities, but the only way to know for sure is them to fight.

Floyd, his corner, fans and boxing expert can say whatever we feel, but if Floyd keeps using excuses for not fighting Pac it will be part of his legacy. No question he’s a great fighter, as is Pac, but doesn’t want to fight Pac…that’s a reality. The Arum excuse is getting old. If he really wanted to fight Pac, he would be pressing Arum, boxing fans and everyone else that may have something to say about it. He’s just afraid that his undefeated record may be in jeopardy if he faces Pac.

Posted January 8, 2014 6:08 pm 


Havoc

Titopa- because Manny is way smaller than Cotto, Margarito or De La Hoya. That is why PAC has to meet them in the middle. That’s why.

Posted January 8, 2014 5:50 pm 


Floyd Xylocaine Mayweather

lionhard
Mayweather came from a family that was DRUG RAVAGED!! His pops went to jail for dealing DRUGS!! Mayweather could have gone the NEGATIVE route like SOOOO many young URBAN black youth!! INSTEAD he has become a BRILLIANT boxer that has set a STANDARD for conducting BUSINESS in a WRETCHED game that cares for NO ONE!!! “ACCOMPLISHMENT” is RELATIVE!! You CANT COMPARE the two, they BOTH came from DESTRUCTIVE lifestylZ!!! I COMPLIMENT them BOTH!! Youre gonna support who you like BETTER!! its as SIMPLE as that!! Manny DID NOT go thru what Mayweather went thru so he cant say he “UNDERSTANDS” and vise versa….they may have an idea to some DEGREE of the others struggle, but they didnt LIVE IT!!!!….its ALL RELATIVE!!!
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There was no one in Pac’s life or family who helped him to train or to get into boxing when he was a kid unlike Floyd’s situation.

Posted January 8, 2014 5:48 pm 


Floyd Xylocaine Mayweather

lionhard
Xylo…..Mayweather has given the dude CHANCES….Google the info, if you dont believe me or the others that are TELLING the TRUTH on this sight…….Like Jack Nicholson said in the movie, Xylo – “You cant handle the truth”……
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A real businessman would not care if the deal did not go through the first few times, now Floyd can even give less money to manny then that 40$ million offer and Manny has been ko’d as well so now there is more money and even less risk, is that not a better deal then before?
why is floyd geting so emotional like a girl who’s heart was broken by her bf and now there no next chance?

about $300 million for floyd to make.

Posted January 8, 2014 5:42 pm 


REM

Excuse me 10′-12′

Posted January 8, 2014 5:36 pm 


Chicago guy

Floyd can run away to avoid the but he can’t hide his fear of fighting Manny Pacquiao. His tool excuses

Posted January 8, 2014 5:34 pm 


Chicago guy

Pacquiao is not begging for the fight . Floyd is just avoiding the fight by his endless excuses, he’s really scared

Posted January 8, 2014 5:31 pm 


Floyd Xylocaine Mayweather

@Ray Ray
What did Floyd do 2 mannys best opponent ha ha ha, ring ring schools in….complete shut out when he beat Marquez.
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Ever wondered why Floyd was not able to make weight for that fight?

Posted January 8, 2014 5:28 pm 


REM

Titopa you said Pac fights twice a year and does under 2 mil as if that was his avg. Pac avg from 10′-13” was 2 mil ppv buys per year. 09′ just under.

Posted January 8, 2014 5:13 pm 


Old Coot

What am I saying?… Manny is a BETTER talent!! Floyd just won’t let him prove it.

Posted January 8, 2014 5:09 pm 


Old Coot

IOW: I’d much rather be a lessor draw because I am great… Not a bigger draw because MOST people can’t stand my ass, and want to see me, for once, fight and lose to an equal talent.

Posted January 8, 2014 5:06 pm 


Old Coot

Titopa: Are you really that densely clueless?… Ok… How about this? MOST of those who buy Floyd’s fights, simply don’t want to miss witnessing when Floyd’s boring ass is shut up by a fist! NOT because he’s any good dude. Manny is a draw because he’s exciting.

That is why Floyd fighting Manny would be so big… Because most think Manny is the one to shut his trap and expose his overrated, cherry-picking ass and they DEF don’t want to miss out on that!! GOT IT?! Big difference dude!

Posted January 8, 2014 5:03 pm 


Teepee

There s no use n talking to ol coot cuz it’s like beating a dead horse u can beat it all day but it’s still won’t move so don’t waste ur time responding to him lol he don’t like Floyd if Floyd beat all the boxers he would still hate on him

Posted January 8, 2014 4:58 pm 


Teepee

Forget the ppv and money who haven’t been beat or knock out and fought champs same as PAC and who took the risk of tithing a young bull

Posted January 8, 2014 4:54 pm 


Titopa

REM – When did I say he averages 2 million a fight?? I said he just sold 2 million and that’s a FACT….that’s not a lie. Manny fought once this year and did 475K, ONE of Floyd’s fight quadrupled Manny’s PPV numbers.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:52 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – But Floyd hasn’t lost, so, what’s your point?? You want to give Floyd a loss so you can compare him to Pacquiao’s current status….but you can’t, Floyd’s undefeated and his numbers DOMINATE Pacquiao’s. That’s the bottom line. You’re trying so hard to make a point, but you’re doing it with “if’s”.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:51 pm 


Teepee

Why don’t PAC fight Canelo b/c he can’t slugg with that young bull and it to risky he will be flat on his face like he was

Posted January 8, 2014 4:50 pm 


REM

C’mon dont act like Floyd averages 2 mil per fight and Pac averages 500k. Before Rios Pac was averaging a mil ppv buys per fight. Not bad for someone from the other side of the world in Floyds own country.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:50 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – That doesn’t MATTER AT ALL!!! Who’s check would you rather have, Floyd’s 40 million dollar check of Manny’s 18 million dollar check?? Answer that.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:48 pm 


Old Coot

Titopa: To further clarify because your analogy has nothing to do with the reality of the PPV dyamics between Manny and Floyd…. Literally, people will pay more to see Floyd shut up…. But if Floyd loses to anyone, they will then ONLY pay to Manny fight… Win or lose!

Posted January 8, 2014 4:48 pm 


Teepee

Floyd and dlh had the record then Floyd and Canelo broke that so why do y’all think PAC and Bradley or his sparring partner will beat that PAC has gone down just like he did when jmm ko’ed him PAC hadn’t had a ko sense 2009 when they said juice he lost 2of 3 fight got put sleep came back and fought punching bag to look good and y’all think PAC is all that come on man

Posted January 8, 2014 4:45 pm 


REM

Teepee Khan v Floyd will do 400k over here this isn’t the UK Khans a joke over here the US isn’t buying that.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:45 pm 


Old Coot

Really, watching Floyd fight is like watching fungus grow… He’s basically Broner senior… Like Broner, people MOSLY just want to see Floyd be shut up. However, with Manny, as was the case with SRL, RJJ, Holyfield, or Tyson, people mostly pay to see Manny fight!

Posted January 8, 2014 4:44 pm 


Titopa

Havoc – “none of this stupid demands”?? Then why did Manny ask Cotto to weigh in at 145 for a 147lb fight? Why did Pacquiao ask De La Hoya to fight at 147 instead of 154? Why did Pacquiao ask MargaCheato to fight at 152 instead of 154? Why the “stupid demands”??

Posted January 8, 2014 4:44 pm 


Boxe0

if u gonna fight him fight him. If not stop riding his ***

Posted January 8, 2014 4:43 pm 


Titopa

REM – That’s when Floyd fought once a year LOL Duh!! He sells more PPV buys on a fight by fight basis…Manny fights twice a year and sells under 2 million, Floyd fought twice this year and did a little over 3 million. So, what’s your point?

Posted January 8, 2014 4:43 pm 


REM

After Pac leaves TR Floyds gonna demand he divorce Jinkee. “Now we know he’s not gonna do that right dad we got out of it again”. Lmao effing pu$$ ies.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:42 pm 


Titopa

Havoc – Because Bob Arum wants a 50/50 split.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:41 pm 


Teepee

Rem ur wrong Floyd can fight anybody b/c they all want to b the first to put that l on his record he’ll Floyd can fight khan and do better ppv # than PAC did 400k come on man

Posted January 8, 2014 4:41 pm 


REM

To this date Pac is the only non HW to sell a mil ppvs twice in one year. The only other boxer is Tyson. Pac has regularly outsold Floyd annually you guys act as if Floyd sell 2 mil every fight.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:39 pm 


Havoc

It’s eigther you fight him or not. None of the stupid demand. Yes or no.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:35 pm 


Havoc

Manny may have back taxes problem but in no way he is broke and can’t pay it back.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:33 pm 


REM

Floyd is in as bad of a position as Pac is right now the only fighter that Floyd can sell a mil ppvs with in the states right now is Garcia. Pac only has Bradley so both are in the same position. Now Showtime guaranteed Floyd alot of money so its really Showtime thats in a pickle but we’re talking about the 2 having eeconomically viable fights not Floyd’s contract with Showtime.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:31 pm 


Havoc

Titopa- how about now! Manny agreed to all then why in the world Floyd wants Manny to leave top rank to get a negotiation going? Manny can’t break contract he is tied up for this year. I see that demand of Floyd free him of Manny this year.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:31 pm 


Teepee

Old coot if u buy PAC and Bradley or that sparring partner fight and not Floyd and PAC I see why u r a PAC fan u like to get robbed by arum just like PAC

Posted January 8, 2014 4:29 pm 


Titopa

PEEJ – Yup. Floyd fought once a year for like 5 years or something like that…what Manny does in 2 years, Floyd can outdo in 1.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:27 pm 


Teepee

Hovac PAC the one that need to grow some arum is ripping him off Floyd is his own boss that’s why PAC had tax problems cuz arum

Posted January 8, 2014 4:25 pm 


Teepee

Hovac PAC the need to grow some arum is ripping him off Floyd is his own boss that’s why PAC had tax problems cuz arum

Posted January 8, 2014 4:24 pm 


PEEJ

REM said that last time. He claimed after he fought Rios then he would surpass Floyd in PPV sells. What REM fails to acknowledge is that Pac has been in more PPVs that Floyd has but yet Floyd has sold more. So know what will happen is Pac may surpass Floyd in PPV sells but then Floyd will then take it over with a commanding lead and then it will take Pac many more fights to catch up.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:23 pm 


Titopa

Back when Pacquioao had more negotiating power…Floyd agreed to 50/50, cause he knew Manny had leverage, all Floyd asked for was random testing….Manny said “no”, why? They were both equals, both had equal negotiating power….but NOW, Floyd is towering over Manny and Manny still wants 50/50?? How come he didn’t take the fight back when Floyd agreed to 50/50? Ask yourselves that.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:23 pm 


Titopa

Havoc – If Pacquiao were in his position, you guys would be saying the same thing, that Floyd has to agree to Manny’s terms. When Rios signed to fight Pacquiao, do you think he had any say about the weight, glove size, ring size or date?? HELL NO!! Why? Cause between him and Manny, Manny was the draw….between him and Floyd, Floyd is the draw…that’s how it’s ALWAYS been in boxing, this isn’t anything new.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:20 pm 


Titopa

REM – Who’s the fictional person you speak of? Last time I checked Floyd signed the richest contract is boxing history…last time I checked, Floyd had the TWO richest fights in boxing history.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:18 pm 


REM

Oh thats in the kings own country lmao.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:18 pm 


Havoc

Titopa- I agree 100% PPV king demands everything! Is his way or the high way, real nice!

Posted January 8, 2014 4:17 pm 


Titopa

REM – You mean, no one can generate the number Pacquiao can IF Pacquiao fought Floyd?? But without Floyd, how many PPV’s can Pacquiao sell? That’s the argument here.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:17 pm 


REM

Real ppv king lmao a foreigner is about to pass him in career ppvs sold on 4/12 what a joke.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:17 pm 


wearerofallthebelts

I think the worst part for me is that Floyd Mayweather is in fact (IHMO) the true P4P best in the business bar none. That is precisely why I find it so frustrating that he won’t take this fight. I happen to think he’ll win! Beating Pac would simultaneously solidify his status as the best in the world (for any doubters), silence ALL his haters, earn him his highest PPV numbers ever and he would make more money than he’s ever made before in his career which is saying a lot!!! You are telling me that he hates Bob Arum so much none of that matters? Shame.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:16 pm 


Havoc

Titopa- If Floyd grow a pair Manny will neuter it.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:15 pm 


Titopa

Havoc – Manny must agree to Floyd’s terms…just like Floyd agreed to Oscar’s back when Oscar was the PPV king and just how Canelo agreed to Floyd’s terms…Manny has to take it, or leave it. People need to realize that boxing is also a business, Floyd has the leverage, people tend to forget that, he’s the PPV king, you wanna fight him…sign on the dotted line or go fight someone else and doing awful PPV numbers.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:15 pm 


REM

Titopa who can Floyd fight other than Pac that would generate 300 mil. No one can generate the #s Pac can.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:15 pm 


Havoc

Titopa- agree again 100%! So what now?

Posted January 8, 2014 4:13 pm 


Titopa

Havoc – Floyd is a bigger draw…that’s my point. Numbers don’t lie. Sorry pal, Floyd is PPV KING!

Posted January 8, 2014 4:12 pm 


Havoc

Titopa- and your point on PPV buys between Manny and Floyd?

Posted January 8, 2014 4:11 pm 


Teepee

Bottom line Floyd broke ppv records PAC never did the # Floyd has plus Floyd is the highest paid in all the sports with no endorsement so stop talking bout $ and # b/c Pac haven’t came close y’all make y’all self sound stupid stop it

Posted January 8, 2014 4:11 pm 


Titopa

REM – He did 1 million against Guerrero…that’s still twice as much as Pac did against Rios. What’s your point?

Posted January 8, 2014 4:10 pm 


Titopa

REM – We’ll never know cause he’s too busy selling over a million to fight Robert Guerrero LMAO!! Manny fight Rios and does 400K, isn’t Manny supposed to be a big draw? What happened? LOL

Posted January 8, 2014 4:09 pm 


PEEJ

Nope he wouldn’t of done 2 mil against someone else. But Guerrero has no fans and he still sold a mil plus. Rios has lots of fans and that fight only sold 475. Your logic is off. And who cares if they are only watching him to watch him lose. They are still watching him. There not doing that to Pac. Pac still has the same fighting style he has always had. The same style all yall say you enjoy watching and the fans tune in to see that style. But yet he sold 475. So explain that

Posted January 8, 2014 4:09 pm 


Havoc

Titopa- I agree 100%. The way Floyd do it nobody can compare. He is one of a kind. I just hope in real life he is way better of a person than he is a boxer.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:08 pm 


REM

Floyd fights without Canelo on the undercard what does his fight do 875k ha ha.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:08 pm 


detroitko

I would to – and I don’t need 40 million to fight flloyd lol – give me 500,000

Posted January 8, 2014 4:07 pm 


REM

Anyone when did Mayweather promotions ever do 2 mil buys never those are GBP #s Floyd’s just apart of it. Does Floyd do 2 mil without the red head golden goose Canelo and the Jr ww tittle fight as the co main event not even close. So thats 3 GB fighters featuring Floyd ha ha. Canelo just lost and is about to headline his own ppv ha ha who drew 2 mil easy answer Canelo.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:06 pm 


Titopa

Havoc – Since when does that matter?? ALL that matters are the NUMBERS, the MONEY, how much MONEY was made…..and no matter how you slice it, dice it or splice it…Floyd is the PPV king. That sir, is a FACT.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:04 pm 


Havoc

Yeah right peej, Floyd is boring and bring a lot of Fans. Fans that hate and would love to see him go down. Fans of his opponent and Floyd’s hater equals PPV record #.

Posted January 8, 2014 4:02 pm 


Titopa

REM – That’s like bringing a sling shot to a gun fight LMAO!! Manny’s last fight did 1/4 of what Floyd’s did. That’s laughable.

Posted January 8, 2014 3:59 pm 


Titopa

Havoc – The Guerrero fight wasn’t a huge success, we know that, but how did it still do more than Pacquiao vs Rios? Mayweather did 1 million PPV buys against Guerrero….Manny did half that, why?

Posted January 8, 2014 3:58 pm 


PEEJ

If you think Floyd cherry picks then you also think Pac cherry picks also

Posted January 8, 2014 3:56 pm 


REM

Pacs last fight could’ve sold 12 ppvs as long as everyone wants to see him and Floyd fight he has leverage.

Posted January 8, 2014 3:56 pm 


Titopa

PEEJ – This guys just said no one’s ever done the number Pac has LMAO!! Where’s he been? De La Hoya’s done more and he hasn’t fought in years….Mike Tyson’s done more, but NO ONE, NO ONE has done more than Floyd Mayweather…and that’s a fact.

Posted January 8, 2014 3:55 pm 


Havoc

Titopa- you are right. Floyd cherry picks that includes demands and conditions. Floyd knows how to market his fights. Floyd’s fight depend on who he fights. Guerrero doesn’t stack up to Canelo. It’s all depend who he fights.

Posted January 8, 2014 3:54 pm 


Titopa

REM – At this point, everyone’s calling out Floyd…and do you know why? cause a fight with him is like winning the LOTTERY, everyone wants their number called….you fight him, you make the most money you’ve ever made in your career. With Pacquiao doing 400k PPV buys and Floyd doing just over 2 million, you bet your ass other fighters want in on the Floyd sweepstakes.

Posted January 8, 2014 3:53 pm 


PEEJ

475 thousand buys. Yeah real strong position

Posted January 8, 2014 3:51 pm 


Titopa

REM – “Saying different just sounds stupid the Canelo fight is over no one can generate the #s Pac can”…LOL!! Delusional much?? So tell me, smart guy, when did Pacquiao ever sell more than 2 million PPV buys?? I can’t wait to hear this one.

Posted January 8, 2014 3:51 pm 


PEEJ

The Pac fight is not projected to do record numbers anymore and yeah Floyd is in the driver seat and can demand what ever he wants and if Pac wants the fight he will have to agree. Just like Floyd did back in 09/10 but Pac and Company still found a way to kill the fight.

Posted January 8, 2014 3:50 pm 


PEEJ

For a boring fighter he sure does bring in a lot of fans.

Posted January 8, 2014 3:49 pm 


REM

Floyd will never be in a position to demand anything from the global boxing icon/most popular fighter in the universe as long as the fight is projected to do record #s. Saying different just sounds stupid the Canelo fight is over no one can generate the #s Pac can. Duh Pac knows this so Pac is in as strong of a position as ever and anyone who has any basic business sense knows this.

Posted January 8, 2014 3:48 pm 


Titopa

“that’s cause Floyd fought Canelo, and Canelo has a huge fan base”….well then, maybe Manny should fight someone with a huge fan base LOL

Posted January 8, 2014 3:47 pm 


Titopa

Pacquiao’s fans say “well if”, “if”, “then if”….if, if if. LOL

Posted January 8, 2014 3:46 pm 


Titopa

Havoc – How does that change his status as PPV king? If anything, Manny should be ashamed of being 2nd to Floyd in PPV numbers, Floyd is boring, talks a lot and cherry picks….and somehow, Manny, a fan friendly fighter who’s humble can’t compete with Floyd’s PPV revenue. That’s even more a shot to the pride.

Posted January 8, 2014 3:44 pm 


Titopa

PEEJ – LMAO!! Right?? How stupid

Posted January 8, 2014 3:42 pm 


Havoc

Manny’s last fight didn’t make much on PPV because he lose twice and 1 put to sleep! Floyd had zero lose but boring fighter.

Posted January 8, 2014 3:42 pm 


PEEJ

Thats Old Coots main argument. If Floyd looses then he will not longer be a PPV star. Well if the Queen had balls shed be the King

Posted January 8, 2014 3:40 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – So?? If you had an easy job with a high income…..would you trade that in for a hard job with a low income? I think not. Doesn’t matter why they’re paying you a lot, the point is, they’re paying you a lot. Floyd is the PPV king, doesn’t matter why, the FACT is he’s the PPV king.

Posted January 8, 2014 3:40 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – So, if someone gave you 300 bucks to shut up and handed me 50 bucks to keep talking, does that mean you made more just cause you were paid to keep talking? LOL

Posted January 8, 2014 3:38 pm 


Old Coot

Titopa: It’s Floyd loses and nobody will pay again… Manny loses and he still gets paid.

Posted January 8, 2014 3:37 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – 400K PPV buys vs 2 million PPV buys….who’s the draw? who sells more? Manny, or Floyd? You tell me.

Posted January 8, 2014 3:36 pm 


Old Coot

Whereas, Floyd’s draw is exclusively tied to his big yap, and his zero… Lose the zero and he loses everything else…

Posted January 8, 2014 3:35 pm 


Old Coot

It’s simple… Floyd won’t risk it with Manny because he knows that Manny’s draw is tied to his crowd pleasing, fan friendly style…

Posted January 8, 2014 3:35 pm 


Titopa

These are facts. Back when Floyd agreed to 50/50, Manny had a issue with the drug testing….this is when I used to think Floyd was scared, I felt Manny didn’t really need to oblige, event though he probably should have, but now, Floyd is in the position to demand the bigger piece of the pie and now Manny wants that 50/50 split? Ain’t gonna happen now, he lost that chance.

Posted January 8, 2014 3:33 pm 


Old Coot

Teepee: I’ll buy Pac VS Bradley or Pac VS Provo…. But I won’t buy Pac VS Floyd… Simply because of Floyd.

Posted January 8, 2014 3:30 pm 


PTS

Dude…you must not watch boxing……this will answer your question: Who was Floyds opponent prior to Canelo and what were the ppv numbers of that fight??

Posted January 8, 2014 3:26 pm 


Teepee

Answer this old coot are u going to buy PAC fight with Bradley or sparring partner or the lil dude

Posted January 8, 2014 3:17 pm 


Teepee

First off I like Canelo and second that wasn’t the ? I just told him how much he weight so that’s that all fighters fight for money duh but y’all can’t take nothing away from Floyd before Canelo Floyd held the ppv record after Canelo he broke that with Canelo so try them #again

Posted January 8, 2014 3:14 pm 


PEEJ

You obviously don’t some of the business of boxing. If the promoter does not sign off on the fight then the fight will not happen. So if Arum does not sign off on the fight like has been the case then the fight will not happen.

Posted January 8, 2014 3:10 pm 


Teepee

Vcap are going to buy the next PAC fight

Posted January 8, 2014 3:09 pm 


Old Coot

Whatever, Manny could leave Arum, offer to cut his wrist prior to the first bell and to fight for free… STILL, Floyd simply WILL NEVER FIGHT HIM!! For the simple reason that he and his crony club of fanatics can pretend all they like, but they all secretly know Floyd is scared that Manny is the only one who can run him down, overwhelm him and terrorize his ass into a Lil Floyd Broner type beatdown… And Floyd’s ego can’t handle the fact that a loss to his self-created nemesis, would mean his boring ass, defensive oriented, low-work-rate, pot-shoting ass, would have to pass PPV king status back to Pac, but that Floyd will be ordinary and won’t be able to fill a middle-school gym, YA KNOW?!

Posted January 8, 2014 3:09 pm 


PTS

Why did the champion take the fight?? The answer is obvious to all except you apparently. He took the fight the same reason Khan would take a fight…the same reason ortiz, guerrero, etc. desperately took the fight. It’s for the money and money only. But its no different from Floyds perspective….Floyd either fights scrubs like guerrero and ortiz…or fights them at catchweight because again……it’s EASY money. Canelo knew he wouldnt make that kind of money with anyone else in fact, Canelo and Floyd did each other a favor although, without Canelo Floyd would NOT have received anything more than his contract calls for…… His fight prior to Canelo, ..Floyd’s PPV numbers were ….drum roll please…..850K!!! Enter Canelo and the purse goes thru the roof…..all that because of Canelo….Whatever may have been said in the past is in the past and does not matter now (future). Canelo is on record saying he didn’t ask for it. In fact…. the Tubby Leonard Ellerbe admitted as much. You Tube…..and englighten what you think you may know. You will be pleasantly surprised. One more thing……..think anyone remembers any fight…… when Floyd fought a Great fighter who was in their prime???? Whatever the outcome of Trinindad/ DLH…..both were great fighters in their time who fought each other and now….they’re both headed into the Hall of Fame…..Floyd has yet to reach a level close to this……but he certainly charges for fights as if they were.

Posted January 8, 2014 3:08 pm 


Teepee

Don’t get me wrong PAC was hot but as soon as the juice thing came up it’s been down hill not saying he did or didn’t just say PAC hasn’t had a ko sense 2009 but lost 2out of three

Posted January 8, 2014 3:06 pm 


Teepee

That’s what u say but the facts don’t lie Floyd beat jmm and knocked him down jmm put PAC to sleep now why the hell would he be scared lol

Posted January 8, 2014 3:02 pm 


Teepee

For one Canelo walked around at 170 lb come on fight fan or u just a PAC fan everybody know that Floyd walk around at 145-150

Posted January 8, 2014 2:59 pm 


VCAPTAIN

Teepee – Yup. Floyd is scared of Pac. Very scared He’s losing sleep over him. He can’t help but talk about Pac on twitter and over the media. You and his fans think Floyd can beat Pac but Floyd doesn’t think so coz if he does, he’ll get in the ring with Pac with or without Arum. Period.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:58 pm 


Teepee

Look at who is left for PAC to fight guy he beat same old deal a sparring partner and a guy that’s not of weight yet all in house bs let me ask u this are u really going to pay to see PAC fight these guys really

Posted January 8, 2014 2:57 pm 


wearerofallthebelts

when did Floyd fight a someone that outweighed him by 20-30 lbs? damn I missed that one.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:56 pm 


Teepee

Scared really dude when he fought bigger guys young strong guys that out weighted him 20-30 lb but he scared of PAC lol Floyd is just making fun of PAC that’s all Floyd don’t need PAC

Posted January 8, 2014 2:54 pm 


Teepee

Bradley was a make up call for them cheating jmm cuz he beat Pac before and well we know what happen the last time nite nite then they let PAC fight punching bag rio to look good and now they want him to fight same fight that won to make him look like oh PAC is back please and this sparring partner come on wake up

Posted January 8, 2014 2:51 pm 


VCAPTAIN

Teepee – And all Floyd talks about on twitter and on media is Pac. He can’t help but talk and think about Pac. But he’s scared to fight him.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:50 pm 


PEEJ

Floyd didn’t require it. Canelo said he would meet him at a catchweight. As a matter of fact he called Floyd out at 150 a couple years before. If thats the case then why did the champion take the fight? And Canelo weighed in at 153 with the fight with Trout. So whats the issue. You just like to hate on Floyd. If you are a hater then just admit that

Posted January 8, 2014 2:47 pm 


Teepee

All PAC fans ever say is Floyd. B/c Floyd is the best right now that’s why why can’t PAC fight anybody else cuz it’s not the same old guys or in fighters so bob can make him look good that’s why

Posted January 8, 2014 2:45 pm 


PEEJ

Dude, I have repeated this over and over again. No I do not, I thought it was a very close fight that Pac won. But him fighting only 30 seconds a round cost him the fight. But he should of lost the 3rd fight to Marquez. Thats why I said his last 4 fights.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:45 pm 


PTS

You really believe that?? I suppose Floyd knows something no one else knows why else would he require it. Think about it for a moment. If he didn’t need it, he would ask for it. And of course Canelo is not going to admit to it on national tv because the next question after that would be, “then why did you take the fight.” Two pounds for a person who does not exercise does not matter, it matters however to those to maintain equilibrium throughout the year. Why else would Floyd also agree to fight Marquez and an agreed upon weight but then…..weigh more than the contractual amount? Because two pounds for most fighter makes a hell of a difference.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:44 pm 


VCAPTAIN

PEEJ – So you actually believe Bradley beat Pac?

Posted January 8, 2014 2:43 pm 


PEEJ

Dude look at Pacs record the past 4 fights. That nuff said there

Posted January 8, 2014 2:42 pm 


VCAPTAIN

PEEJ – And how is Bradley and Maidana more deserving than Pac to fight Floyd?

Posted January 8, 2014 2:41 pm 


Teepee

PAC is fight the same ppl so stop the excuse we have heard enough of them at lease Floyd fight different champ not punching bags

Posted January 8, 2014 2:40 pm 


Teepee

Arum is the main reason if they listen to him he tell he has no intention of making this fight happen but they are so into PAC as a fan they are blind to the truth PAC and Floyd have parts as well they want to fight but arum is in the way

Posted January 8, 2014 2:39 pm 


PEEJ

And for the record I don’t like the Khan fight. But it is what it is

Posted January 8, 2014 2:38 pm 


PEEJ

Yeah lets see how this fight sells. He sold over a mil with Guerrero and Khan has a bigger fan base that Guerrero. Heck Rios has a bigger fan base than Guerrero and they only sold 475 thousand PPVs.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:38 pm 


PEEJ

Stop saying Canelo was weight drained. Canelo is on record clearly stating that he was not affected by the weight. Floyd was too fast and just a better fighter than him. This was during the post fight interview and in interviews after the day of the fight. So that is lame to say that. Not to mention Canelo called Floyd out, Floyd didn’t call Canelo out

Posted January 8, 2014 2:37 pm 


VCAPTAIN

Floyd is fighting Khan next. Let’s see how this fight sells on PPV.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:36 pm 


PEEJ

I have already said that Maidana is more deserving and Bradley is more deserving. The Maidana fight can be made, the Bradley fight can’t be made at this time.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:35 pm 


PEEJ

Bradley has 1 fight left with Arum according to reports. If that is true and he does not resign with Top Rank and he doesn’t fight Bradley or doesn’t try to make a fight with Bradley, then there would be an issue. But if he resigns with Top Rank then don’t expect the fight to happen. I wouldn’t see why he would though with the way he was treated after the Pac fight and with all that occurred during the lead up to the Marquez fight.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:34 pm 


wearerofallthebelts

So if Pac is so undeserving of this fight, who should Floyd fight? What fighter would be a better more deserving choice? Remember now we’ve established that Pac is not deserving because his PPV numbers are not good and that there is little interest in the fight. So then what fighter can fit the bill in his place? Bradley? lol…he couldn’t give away a PPV. Kahn? yeah his huge fan base will really put butts in the seat. How about some names Floyd won’t even speak; Maidana, Garcia, Golovkin? Who am I missing? Klitchko?

Posted January 8, 2014 2:33 pm 


PEEJ

There is no excuses he is coming up with. There was take the random testing which they never agreed to. Then when they approached the fight again Floyd wanted more money. He brings in more PPV sells so he deserves more of the money. Now there is, I am not working with Arum. There is only so many times you can approach something with someone, if they keep turning it down then why go back to the table. That is useless. That is actually the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result

Posted January 8, 2014 2:31 pm 


PTS

So Floyd fought a dehydrated Canelo Alvarez….at catchweight, no less. But hey…isn’t lil Floyd The Greastest, the P4P best fighter, so shouldn’t he NOT be doing this???? That’s 1 demerit. Floyd’s previous fight was to someone basically unknown who is actually a scrub of an opponent, definitely not a world beater and absolutely not headed to the Hall of Fame. ….Oh, and let’s see, prior to that “great, ” “awesome” and “inspiring” fight…..he fought another scrub has been of a fighter named Ortiz. Great fighters are continuously challenging themselves…if Guerrero and Ortiz were awesome fighters….where are they today??? What have they done lately?? Does anyone even talk about them as they do about current fighters. Guerrero and Ortiz are after thoughts. So, there you have it….Floyd the great magician….Mr. Smoke and Mirrors….giving his Floyd Riders the shaft by taking them to the cleaners and the sad thing is, they couldn’t be happier with his performances against MEDIOCRE fighters. That is simply a waste of talent.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:29 pm 


hecubus

another point….if we agree that Bradley is most deserving and he keeps winning, then is he going to keep avoiding the best available fighters just because of Arum?…..that’s weak. He should just retire if he going to do that

Posted January 8, 2014 2:28 pm 


PEEJ

NO I do not think it is all Arums fault. I think they all have to take blame for this. Arum, Pac and Floyd. I just think Arum is the main reason why this is not happening.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:26 pm 


teepee

arum want yall pac fans to buy bradley again even tho pac won and a sparring partner then light wieght please none of those fight are ppv what a joke lmao

Posted January 8, 2014 2:26 pm 


VCAPTAIN

If Floyd refuses to fight Pac, he will be remembered in history as the fighter who DUCK the PAC!

Posted January 8, 2014 2:25 pm 


hecubus

PEEJ – now you’re moving the goal posts. i agree that the MOST deserving guy for a fight with Floyd RIGHT NOW is Bradley (Hopefully he rematches Pacquaio in April and the winner fights floyd)…..but thats not the conversation we’re having. We’re talking about why the Pacquaio fight hasnt happened……and Floyd has had his fair share of BS and accountability as to why the fight hasnt happened. Its not ALL Arum……

And again, Money May admittedly fights for money, so why has he come up with excuse after excuse to avoid the biggest fight on the planet?

Posted January 8, 2014 2:23 pm 


PTS

Hmmm, amazing. You seem to forget what you write. I guess it shouldn’t surprise me. You stated Arum is the person who doesnt want the fight. Dude, learn to read and respond accordingly. You lack comprehension skills….badly.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:21 pm 


teepee

floyd dont need pac everybody and they moma want to fight floyd cuz he make that $$$ pluse they want to be the one to give him that first loss as for pac the same old in house fights and these pac fans are stupid enough to keep buy pac fights lol hell i dont blame arum i would keep getting them to lol

Posted January 8, 2014 2:18 pm 


wearerofallthebelts

“the greatest fighter of his generation who didn’t fight the other greatest fighter of his generation”. Maybe they can put that on his tombstone when he’s gone.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:17 pm 


PEEJ

What sources do you want? Floyd is not going back to negotiate with Arum again. If you want to do the past 6 months then Pac doesn’t even belong in the same arena as Floyd. Getting a win against a fighter never ranked at 147, lost his last fight at 140, never fought at 147. Pac was KOd before that and lost his other fight before that. Why would he be given the chance to fight Floyd? Bradley is more deserving, why are we not yelling for a Bradley fight? Maidana is more deserving, he is on a win streak, something Pac is not on and he has a title. Why are we not yelling for that?

Posted January 8, 2014 2:16 pm 


hecubus

PEEJ – you think its all Arum? you don’t think Floyd keeps moving the goal posts every single time the mayweather/pacquiao fight comes up? first it was drug testing…that got agreed upon…..then he didnt want a 50/50 split (and tried to price himself out of the fight)……..then it was a $40 million dollar flat fee (which was ridiculous at the time…..a number floyd knew pac wouldnt and shouldnt have taken)……then it was “what has he done?” (the 8 division champion and biggest money fight for floyd, who fights for money, to make)…….and now its as long as Arum is there the fight wont get made (which wasn’t a problem before (and coincidentally, its the one excuse that absolutely keeps the fight from happening because pacquiao is under contract)

…at least concede that alot of that is hard to defend? I’m willing to say that the whole needles and the stadium argument from Top Rank was garbage. Those arguments were hard to defend. Likewise, its hard to call alot of the nonsense coming from Floyd’s end anything else other than what it is….excuses.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:15 pm 


VCAPTAIN

Never in history has a fighter refused to fight a rival fighter because he has a different promoter! Only Floyd has come up with this kind of excuse.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:15 pm 


PEEJ

teepee, no matter what the facts are they just keep saying the same thing. They apparently don’t like to fact check.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:14 pm 


PTS

peejito….list your sources of information…..make certain is current….say, wiithin the last 6 months…not from 4 years ago. What matters is today…..yesterday doesn’t count. that’s old news.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:14 pm 


PEEJ

Floyd will be remember as the greatest fighter of his generation. Just like Pac will be remembered as a great fighter. People will question Top Rank. It isn’t like they haven’t don’t this before.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:13 pm 


VCAPTAIN

And Floyd, as great of a fighter he is, will be remembered in history as the fighter who ran from Pac.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:12 pm 


david d.

FMJ continues to weaken the tradition of boxing. He’ll soon be gone from the sport ,and then, champions will fight and continue the art of being challenged to becoming better, by winning or losing.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:10 pm 


teepee

peej they just dont like floyd so they dont get it so let them keep getting drained by arum with the same old fights floyd have fought younger and stronger fighters so they just blind like pac

Posted January 8, 2014 2:10 pm 


PTS

Pac along wiith Floyd are the two top fighters in the WW, both area headed to the HOF but have not faced each other. At least Floyd has acknowledged Pac wants the fight and everyone know Pac said on nation tv he’s willing to face him. Now, because Floyd is cognizant of Pac’s request, no one can say Pac has not asked for it nor can they ignorantly say Floyd is not aware of. As a supposed P4P best, Floyd needs to either man up and fight this man or simply admit he has no genuine intentions of fighting Pac. As fans, we can understand not wanting to risk your zero which in effect will heavily taint his marketability, so fighting Khan as we all know is a better option that will not risk anything. I will not watch that fight but at least I know where he stands. There is really no need to coerce a possible opponent into leaving their his promoter as it will not in any way, shape or form affect Floyd’s purse. Besides, that sort of request is unprecedented in the sport of boxing; its’ never happened and should not happen. The last person fans would want to control boxing is Floyd. It’s a sport of the people, not of one person!!

Posted January 8, 2014 2:09 pm 


PEEJ

That is my point that I have been trying to make. Floyd has gone back to the table with him and Arum has constantly came up with a reason on why the fight can’t be made. Why would you constantly keep going back. That is like going to a water well that is empty but yet you keep going back expecting there to be water in it. In this case Arum is the well, Floyd has gone back to the well and yet can’t get any water. So why would Floyd waste his time with Arum anymore? And if you notice Top Rank isn’t doing business with Golden Boy neither. Floyd has been working with them for a while. So if they aren’t doing business, what makes folks think this fight can be made with Arum in the picture? Another excuse from Arum, HBO has to be in the promotion. Pac has no contract with HBO so why do they need to be in it?

Posted January 8, 2014 2:02 pm 


VCAPTAIN

Hec- Floyd just ran out excuses and thought of Arum as a convenient one. And the sad thing is that, his fans actually believed him.

Posted January 8, 2014 1:59 pm 


hecubus

PEEJ – so if you and Floyd are saying he had his chance back then to make the fight and now its too late. Why was Arum not an issue back then and now all of the sudden its impossible because of Arum’s involvement as promoter from Floyd’s end? Arum was Pacquaio’s promoter back then too…..that doesn’t sound like a load of bull to you? that makes ZERO sense.

Posted January 8, 2014 1:58 pm 


PEEJ

Dino, a lot of athletes that made million and millions of dollars in there career are broke.

Posted January 8, 2014 1:54 pm 


PEEJ

Ortiz was a young fighter and people where saying he takes on no young fighters, Boldomire was the WW champion why wouldn’t Floyd fight for the lineal WW Championship? Gatti is the reason why he is a PPV attraction. Granted Oscar pushed him over the edge but the Gatti fight was his first PPV fight and he was fighting for a title. This was a good business move. Guerrero was his first fight back from jail. Nothing wrong with a warm up fight. I know you have to fight the fights. Floyd tried making the fight and Pac and company came up with excuses why they couldn’t do certain things like take random test. All of yall keep getting on Floyds case for asking for testing but when Pac asks for testing he is being applauded. Why is that? Floyd agreed to all of Pacs demands and Pac did not agree to Floyds one demand. Why is that? Why is that not the question? How are yall not questioning Arum? Stadium? Floyd is going to jail in June so the May fight can’t be made? Not enough time to promote this fight? Does the fight really need promoting especially at the time the fight was seriously being talked about? Come on now.

Posted January 8, 2014 1:53 pm 


Dino

These guys ned to realize that once they retire they will still be pretty young, with 40 good year to live. Do the math, planes,expensive cars, multiple homes,vacations, helping people out,showing off and the IRS. At the rate these guys are going with their spending habits, they need to take the fights they think the fight fans want to see. No brainer.

Posted January 8, 2014 1:52 pm 


hecubus

PEEJ – but ortiz, baldomir, guerrero, Gatti, etc etc DID have business being in the ring with mayweather? Now you sound like you’re makiing Mayweather-like excuses…..You have to actually fight the fights to know whos the better man…..just saying what you think will happen doesnt necessarily make it so. If that were the case, then lets have no one fight and just settle fights by vegas odds…..

Mayweather may very well dominate Pacquiao, but until he fights him and dominates him, then he hasnt done so. Thats why the fights exist.

Posted January 8, 2014 1:48 pm 


PEEJ

I never said the Rios fight was competitive. But if Rios is tagging Pac imagine what Floyd would do. 3 times fast, has the best defense and will counter back. After Pac fights Bradley then we can see where he is at. He has never looked good against boxers and if he can’t beat Bradley then he has no business being in the ring with Floyd.

Posted January 8, 2014 1:39 pm 


PEEJ

Actually yes Arum would be able to stop the fight. He is Pacs promoter. There is a reason why he is only fighting Top Rank fighters. That is just ridiculous. Arum is not able to stop a fight. Need to get more knowledge about boxing. Notice how when fighters are under Don King they don’t hardly ever fight. Why is that? You know they want to fight. Why can’t Rigo get fights? He is the champ, are you really saying nobody wants to fight and become the champ?

Posted January 8, 2014 1:38 pm 


VCAPTAIN

Floyd is making history right now! He has taken the ducking maneuver into a whole new level. AMAZING!

Posted January 8, 2014 1:31 pm 


wearerofallthebelts

LOL… whatever man. I’m glad you’re convinced and satisfied with all that bunk. If Floyd was truly willing to fight Pac Bob Arum would not be able to halt the proceedings. I’ll give you the stadium bit but how is a Pacquiao cut and Floyd going to jail the fault of Bob Arum? You must work for Floyd’s PR team.

Posted January 8, 2014 1:25 pm 


Papo

Is not whether or not Floyd can beat Pac, as I predict he will if the fight is made, but the only way to know for certainty is for him to stop the excuses and fight Pac. Being undefeated doesn’t mean much when he’s unwilling to fight the one fighter who may have the tools to perhaps beat him…it just shows his insecurity.

All the insults from posters on this site towards either fighter or their fans doesn’t change the fact that although Floyd states he can easily beat Pac, he doesn’t make an effort to fight him. Furthermore, Pac is not the only fighter Floyd will probably never fight. Bradley is a welterweight champion and a decent undefeated fighter as well, but you’ll never hear Floyd mentioning his name. I doubt he’ll place his undefeated record on the line against Bradley for the same reason he won’t do it against Pac…he’s afraid he’ll lose.

So, he rather goes after fighters he knows he can beat like Guerrero or even Khan. Call it good management or cherry picking, but those are facts.

Posted January 8, 2014 1:24 pm 


REM

Damn Floyd thinks about Pac more than he does his fiancee no wonder 50 slid in them panties so easily lmao.

Posted January 8, 2014 1:22 pm 


Happyboy

Pacman stock has dropped badly, only fights he can offer are Bradley ( a guy Pactards considered he beat) & Provodnikov ( a sparring partner who also lost to Bradley) or Lightweight Mikey Garcia whivh is just another inhouse mismatch like Rios who will sell less than 300K PPVs.

Posted January 8, 2014 1:19 pm 


hecubus

PEEJ – its a fight!?….fighters get hurt in wins all the time. Pacquio was supposedly in pain for days after the margarito fight and that was a COMPLETE, career-ending beatdown he put on margarito. The Rios fight was a complete wipeout.

Posted January 8, 2014 1:17 pm 


PEEJ

No he has been the main reason ever since 09/10. Not the latest, he is the reason.

Posted January 8, 2014 1:16 pm 


PEEJ

Yes a promoter can kill a fight and kill it with ease. Lets see how Arum killed the fight, Pac has a cut that won’t be healed in time to fight, yet he fights a month earlier, turned down a fight with Floyd to fight Clottey, needs to build a stadium, Pac has a cut that won’t be healed in time but yet fights a month earlier, Floyd is going to jail in June so he can’t fight in May. These are all excuses and the reason the fight did not get made. All from Arum who is a promoter.

Posted January 8, 2014 1:15 pm 


wearerofallthebelts

Arum is just the “latest” reason the fight isn’t being made.

Posted January 8, 2014 1:15 pm 


VCAPTAIN

PEEJ – You’re funny man! You saying It was Rios who sold the fight. Oh yeah, Canelo just sold 2M PPV buys fighting Floyd.

Posted January 8, 2014 1:14 pm 


PEEJ

To say he looked excellent against Marquez is very incorrect. Yeah he looked good in the rounds he won but it only went 6 rounds and he was knocked down twice. And the last knockdown was a KO. Yeah he looked good against Rios, but doesn’t he look good against every come forward in a straight line brawler? Also Rios hurt him. Pac admitted that. Against Bradley, I thought Pac won but it was no easy win. It was a close fight I thought he won. But I also thought Pac clearly got beat by Marquez in the 3rd fight. And you are right he is more popular that GGG or Guerrero or Ortiz. I am not denying that. But the fact that Arum is in the picture is the biggest reason the fight isn’t being made.

Posted January 8, 2014 1:12 pm 


PEEJ

Apparently Rios can. Who cares where the fight was anyways. That had no effect, it came on during the same time any other fight would of come on in the US

Posted January 8, 2014 1:09 pm 


Anonymous

this is now beyond a joke.

Posted January 8, 2014 1:07 pm 


hecubus

PEEJ – until Pac got caught with Marquez’s counter, he looked fantastic in that fight (against he toughest opponent of his career)….and i thought he looked great against Rios as well. I also thought he easily beat Bradley too. So in my opinion, his only real loss was to Marquez…….Pacquiao is more popular than GGG or any other fighter that Mayweather can be matched up with. Hes certainly more popular than guerrero or Ortiz and would generate ALOT more money than those fights and Mayweather took those?….but mayweather says he fights for the money? ….does that make any sense to you? IMO, Mayweather likes to fight for the EASY money

Posted January 8, 2014 1:04 pm 


wearerofallthebelts

I’ve been a fight fan my whole life and have read endless books on the sport and so on. One thing all the greats agree on is that the huge mega fights happen because the FIGHTERS want it. Promoters don’t make it or break it so this whole Bob Arum thing is more nonsense excuses from the Mayweather camp. Also the PPV numbers that Floyd’s fight with Canello generated were because of the HUGE fan base of Canello; NOT Floyd. Go see what the numbers were for his borefest against Gurrerro. Also this notion that Pac’s numbers are down and he “needs” the Floyd fight is further nonsensical excuse making. Frame it however you wish but Floyd is actively avoiding this fight and everything he says to the media simply confirms this fact. Peej I respect your opinion as much as anyone but you are way way off base in this tired debate. Floyd must take this fight or his legacy suffers plain and simple.

Posted January 8, 2014 1:04 pm 


VCAPTAIN

PEEJ – Then name another fighter who can sell 475K PPVs fighting in China?!

Posted January 8, 2014 1:01 pm 


PEEJ

Floyd is not fighting Pac because of tax issues. That has nothing to do with it. He is simply saying now Pac is begging for a fight with him. Floyd will not work with Arum and that is the main issue.

Posted January 8, 2014 1:01 pm 


VCAPTAIN

This is the first time that I’ve heard of a boxer refusing to fight a rival boxer because of tax issues! Unbelievable! What does he care?! Really, Floyd’s excuses are becoming more comical. Classic!

Posted January 8, 2014 12:59 pm 


PEEJ

No he does not remain one of the most popular fighters on the planet. If so he would of sold more than 475 thousand PPVs. Those are just the facts. Being popular and people actually wanting to watch you are 2 separate things

Posted January 8, 2014 12:56 pm 


PEEJ

In my opinion Pac offers nothing Floyd hasn’t seen or dealt with before. As for the money aspect, this fight will not surpass the Canelo fight. It could have at one point but not anymore. Pac has no looked good since the Mosley fight. People have been losing interest since then and you can check the PPV numbers for that. Floyds PPV numbers are constantly over a million. And also with Arum in the picture the fight won’t be made. People can gripe and moan all they want about that but fact is Pacs lawyer has already said the fight won’t be made with Arum in the picture and Ariza has said a while ago that Arum was the reason the fight was not being made also. So until Arum is out of the picture there is no need to discuss a Floyd for Pac fight.

Posted January 8, 2014 12:54 pm 


wearerofallthebelts

“nobody is really interested in watching Pac fight” dude did you type that with a straight face? He remains one of the most popular fighters on the planet. That’s just straight up nonsense you’re talking and you know it.

Posted January 8, 2014 12:53 pm 


VCAPTAIN

There is no interest in Floyd-Pac fight right now? What?! Stupid comment!

Posted January 8, 2014 12:51 pm 


hecubus

PEEJ – i dont know man, i think we’re gonna have to agree to disagree. Yeah, if Pacquaio beats Bradley (again), then interest will go up for sure, but there is still a lot of interest in this fight, regardless. I agree that Mayweather is the best guy Pacquaio will ever fight, but Paquiao also brings alot of things to the table that most of mayweathers opponents haven’t had (especially all at once….equal speed, KO power in both hands, lots of movement, left-handed fighter)….. the fight should still happen, and i think there’s still plenty of interest in it to make more money than the Canelo fight right now…….if they both look great winning their next fights, even moreso.

Posted January 8, 2014 12:44 pm 


PEEJ

Idiot, Floyd is nor from Africa. Stupid comment

Posted January 8, 2014 12:39 pm 


PEEJ

If Pac beats Bradley then yes the interest will rise. As it is now, especially with Pacs last PPV #s nobody is really interested in watching Pac fight. He needs to show he can beat a boxer because he has yet to do it. Any boxer he has faced there has either been controversy or he lost. Floyd is the best boxer that he will ever face. If he can’t beat the other boxers he has faced then Floyd will be a nightmare for him. And no not everybody is clamoring for this fight. Only Pac fans are.

Posted January 8, 2014 12:38 pm 


john smith

LAND OF THE BRAVE ,WHAT HAPPEN TO MAYWEATHER ,GO BACK TO AFRICA YOU ARE A SHAME TO MY COUNTRY !!! MANNNN UPPPP

Posted January 8, 2014 12:37 pm 


hecubus

PEEJ – no one wants to see this fight?…HA!….there’s still a ton of interest in this fight (especially if Pacquiao fights/beats bradley again) and if mayweather fights for money like he says he does, he’d make it happen….the truth is that mayweather fights for EASY money in fights that he knows he can win (big difference). The only thing that I agree with you is that I would favor Mayweather in this fight, as well (at this point in time……depends on how they both look in their next fights, though)

Posted January 8, 2014 12:21 pm 


PEEJ

So in reality then you have no clue what Pacs contract says. No way would it cost 40 mil to buy his contract out. Just can’t see that happening. You are just going off what your opinion is. Not really a sad day for boxing. Only people calling for this fight is Pac fans. Everybody else knows the reality that Pac would be dominated. Not really a fight worth visiting giving Pacs last few fights.

Posted January 8, 2014 12:15 pm 


PEEJ

News Flash sees a post from me and is all on it like a stripper from a pole. I think he has a little sugar in his tank. Even when I am not posting he is talking about me. Im honored but I don’t swing that way.

Posted January 8, 2014 12:14 pm 


Dan D

Totally irrelevant but hey ho – Ray Ray you’ve got me started now lol
Modern v yesteryear

1. Mayweather v Duran at either 135 or 147
2. RJJ mid 90′s v Ward at 168
3. Hopkins of circa 2000 v Peak Hagler at 160
4. Pacquiao v Leonard at 147

God I wish I had a time machine lol. We have some true legends in the game right now and I wish more people would less hate more appreciate.

Posted January 8, 2014 12:14 pm 


hecubus

PEEJ – please…..if they fought, id have mayweather winning the fight, but its something new everyday….now its he had his chance and doesnt want to help him out of his tax problems?….what the hell does that have to do with the fight? if pacquiao is “easy work” like Floyd has said a million times, why does he keep making excuses and saying all of these things…..just fight the guy already. Regardless if pacquaio has lost 2 out of his last 3 fights (one highly controversial)….a fight with pacquiao is more meaningful AND way more profitable than fights with Guerrero, Ortiz or Canelo. but he had no problem fighting those guys and yet says “whats pacquiao done?”……..Mayweathers full of it. It seems Pacquiao has lots of financial and promotional issues behind the scenes, but if Mayweather runs his own show (like he says all of the time), then why not just go out and say Lets fight, instead of all these excuses every other day?

Posted January 8, 2014 12:13 pm 


News Flash

PEEJ sees a post with Mayweather and is all over it Like a Stripper On a Pole. Talk about a real D rider, PEEJ swallows anything with Mayweather. I bet PEEJ would tattoo his butt with Mayweather.

Posted January 8, 2014 12:07 pm 


deepwater98989898

a contract between boxer and promoter will always have the promoter promoting the fights it bans the fighter from boxing without the promoter. a direct payment to from mayweather to pac out side of the contract is illegal. ask any lawyer. pac would need 40 mill to buy out his contract from arum. floyd should not care about another mans pocket as long as he gets his share that he agrees upon. floyd shouldnt be talking about money he should be talking about whooping pacs a$$ not pay per view numbers. sad day for boxing.

Posted January 8, 2014 12:06 pm 


Dan D

Ray Ray – hmmm that is one fight i’m not brave enough to call for sure. Head says Ward, heart says Calzaghe. Ward is the better all round fighter and a pinnacle athlete but I have a beef with him always fighting in his back yard (or just outside the gate) When trying to assess Calzaghe it is difficult, as his best opposition was beaten well past prime (RJJ) and the most hyped opponent he faced and battered (Lacy) has had a career crash since Calzaghe tore him apart so we can’t really assess how good he could’ve been had he not met Joe so early on. I think his fight with Eubank, even though Chris took it at late notice and had to drop the weight way too quickly, was one of his best showings. I saw so many of his early fights and it was clear he had something special. Gotta disagree with you and side with Curtley over Bhops v Calzaghe. I think that fight would’ve been as close as it was at any stage of their careers but Joes aggression amd volume would’ve taken it nine times out of ten for me. Jones at his peak would’ve easily had the better of he Italian Dragon though, still have yet to see a fighter of the last 20 years that comes close to Roy at his best.

Posted January 8, 2014 12:03 pm 


PEEJ

How can anyone still defend Pac and his excuses? Pacs lawyer has done an interview saying the fight is being help up by Arum and Koncz is the problem of his tax issues. Not to mention since folks like to use quotes from folks that used to be in peoples camps. Well Ariza was quoted already a year or so ago saying Arum is the main reason the fight has not been made. So I ask again, how can anyone still defend Pac and company with their excuses?

Posted January 8, 2014 12:01 pm 


hecubus

how can anyone still defend mayweather and his excuses!?

Posted January 8, 2014 11:59 am 


Beast Mode

Oh cool, Mayweather is still scared to lose.

Posted January 8, 2014 11:45 am 


Teepee

Typo same in house fights on last post

Posted January 8, 2014 11:19 am 


Teepee

At the end of the day PAC ppv # have dropped due to lose and same in hours fights and Floyd has broken ppv records and is the highest paid athlete in sports is that far to say

Posted January 8, 2014 11:19 am 


Teepee

Ok let’s just say this really all is at fault arum PAC Floyd gbp and move on with it

Posted January 8, 2014 11:14 am 


curtley

I am just repeating what Manny has always said so the sarcasm whilst showing brilliant intellect is unnecessary, also is Manny not responsible for his tax

Posted January 8, 2014 10:58 am 


PEEJ

Pac has had a good career through Top Rank in getting the right fights. But unfortunately his financial situation has taken a huge hit. And them fighting Marquez 4 times pretty much ensured Pac of getting beat. Why someone would stay with someone after being robbed or taken advantage of is hard for me to figure out. Especially someone who could break off and create his own brand and be huge. Like Floyd and Oscar did.

Posted January 8, 2014 10:57 am 


Teepee

I guess not paying his tax is great handling ok or stopping PAC from make millions to fight Floyd ok got it

Posted January 8, 2014 10:53 am 


curtley

Teepee, the major difference is FMJ and ODH are businessmen and Manny a pure fighter and although Bob is a snake Manny has always been happy with the way he has handled his career.

Posted January 8, 2014 10:46 am 


Teepee

Deep water why can’t PAC buy out his contract Floyd did it with arum Floyd paid $750,000 to get out b/c arum wasn’t marketing him right so why can’t PAC even oscar left so do ur home work lol

Posted January 8, 2014 10:44 am 


curtley

Dan, what a fight, I agree Tommy would have been the proper Kryptonite to Floyd and always fancied a long armed right hand puncher against Mayweathers style (weirdly even though he lost to a brawler like Mayorga I would have said Forrest would have been a dangerman) as for Leonard I just think Ray whilst not quite as slick at FMJ would have been too hard a puncher and had the ability to take it to the trenches as well as box, I would have had Ray by boring decision as Floyd would have been in defensive mode and been virtually impossible to tag but not willing to risk it by letting his hands go, also Ray was naturally bigger. The fight I would like to see is Duran at Lightweight as although Roberto was a force of nature and probably the best lightweight ever he always struggled with great boxers (see the masterclass Benitez put on) if he could land on Floyd he would have massacred him but as we know he could always be frustrated.

Posted January 8, 2014 10:43 am 


PEEJ

deepwater do you have direct access to Pac contract? You know what is exactly in it and what he can and can’t accept?

Posted January 8, 2014 10:35 am 


Edgar Guevara

Don’t fight Pacquiao, but fight Maidana.

Posted January 8, 2014 10:29 am 


Ray Ray

Dan D how do u think the Andre v joe would pan out? Joe the volume puncher v the tactical master? Speed and movement vs brilliant defence? Sure would make 4 a great fight.

Posted January 8, 2014 10:29 am 


Teepee

Bottom line PAC has no good fighter to fight but in house fights that ppl don’t want to see but PAC fans. A guy he beat a sparring partner and now arum wants to bring a lightweight up out of desperation.none of those are ppv worthy lets be real

Posted January 8, 2014 10:24 am 


Teepee

40mil was from what they was going to generate not right out of Floyd pocket come on now and PAC had it 50/50 split on the purse I tell what’s a shame that PAC is to stupid to see arum is draining his pocket

Posted January 8, 2014 10:19 am 


Dan D

Curtley, going back to an earlier comment you touched on, man how good would it be to see Leonard v Mayweather Jr? Tommy would’ve iced him though!

Posted January 8, 2014 10:16 am 


Teepee

PAC to fight the same old in house fights that isn’t worth ppv and the Bradley fight Pac already won that and a sparring partner come on so y’all going to pay to him spar that’s stupid if y’all fall for that them arum got y’all to lol

Posted January 8, 2014 10:14 am 


Dan D

Ward v Calzaghe, now you really could start a debate there Ray Ray lol !!

Posted January 8, 2014 10:12 am 


deepwater98989898

under contract law it is illegal for pac to accept 40 million directly from floyd. that 40 million offer does not exist. do some homework. sad day in boxing when the supposedly p4p number one behaves this way.

Posted January 8, 2014 10:09 am 


Dan D

Eugene, yep point taken. I’m glad that Floyd didn’t take that fight. I believe that Margarito was cheating for years; how else is it possible to explain his sudden loss of power? He was taking guys apart but gets caught with plaster in his gloves and, low and behold, suddenly he isn’t a threat anymore. He ruined Cotto, who was a phenom at the time and i despise him for ever more because of it. Floyd does cherry pick. Be honest though, take away the loaded gloves and would Margarito have stood a prayer? I don’t think so.

Posted January 8, 2014 10:09 am 


Teepee

Forget arum and PAC he had it 50/50 then 40mil and thought he was to good but now he been sleep and tax issues they want Floyd to fight lol let arum get him out of this he put him in it

Posted January 8, 2014 10:06 am 


tj

ONE WAY TO once and for all clear up this mess is to form a round table and get MESSRS. MAYWEATHER JNR, HAYMON, ELLERBE, ARUM, KONCZ and PACQUIAO to sit round it and any trusted intermediary to conduct firm and fair talks between them.

We can then clear up all the points regarding:

PEDS and OST – who said what and when?
DIVVYING UP OF THE PURSE – who wants what and how is this to be administered?

ARUM should tell us the truth re previous negotiations as well as MAYWEATHER and his team.

The kick for all of this is that all particpants be sworn in under oath – like MARION JONES, so whoever lies faces a custodial term in jail!!!

This is of course a pipe dream , but will stop all these bogus, salacious, ridiculous, infantile, hyperbole laden, deluded stories from surfacing on the daily from sites like ESB and many others.

We are all sick of this and we all recognise there are other boxers in other weight divisions that are worthy of far more column inches from sites such as ESB.

Something to think about, don’t you think?

I have actually ceased to read what most of these scribes write, preferring to skim through the comments of ESB posters as some are far more informative than the predominant drivel written by these so-called journos!

Posted January 8, 2014 9:54 am 


Ray Ray

Curtly-agree with the Tarver call, every1 thought hopkins was done. Especially after what Tarver did 2 Roy when every1 thought roy was unbeatable. Thankx 4 the compliment, its good 2 b able 2 have a civilised conversation with some1 on here. Even when not agreeing on every matter. I have 2 disagree with joe and b hops legend, he must b doing something right…..over a decade as middleweight champ, 20plus defences and oldest champ ever. How do u think Andre Ward v Joe would go?

Posted January 8, 2014 9:52 am 


curtley

Ray Ray you are a smart guy and obviously know boxing but although people don’t like Calzaghe’s style I would have him over B-Hop at any stage and Hopkins to me has done more later in his career than when in what we call prime, I mean beating Trinidad was good but in reality he was far bigger as was he than Oscar. His best win was over Tarver and remember he was trounced by Roy (although at this stage RJJ was a freak). I just think Joes speed workrate and toughness would always be a problem for B-Hop who has always been a bit of a pot shotter, I know its controversial but am not sold on the B-Hop legend, very good fighter but his best has come against Tarver, Pavlik and Cloud who are probably all struggling to reach the HOF.

Posted January 8, 2014 9:41 am 


Teepee

All PAC fans say Floyd don’t take risk he’ll he just fought 5or 6 champs that all out weight him some of them PAC fought some PAC didn’t and vice versus so to say Floyd don’t challenge himself is wrong he fought guys 20-30lb bigger some of y’all are just haters just cuz he didn’t ko them all Floyd is a boxer not a slugger he didn’t get koed or loose to any of them but PAC did and y’all don’t like him cuz he talk who cares it’s boxing not a talk show

Posted January 8, 2014 9:37 am 


Ray Ray

Eugene u wouldnt get a bigger Hopkins fan than myself. Of course he was past his best, ur cracking jokes if u think he was better @ 42 than when he was 34/35. And I said Hopkins being past it it is better than most in there prime. Joe vs a younger B Hop, no way he wins. Im not sure he won the fight v the older Hopkins. SD got dropped early, yeah he threw a heap I dont think there was much damage done. Hopkins landed cleaner bigger shots in my opinion.

Posted January 8, 2014 9:34 am 


eugene

Dan D…I do agree with you…What I mean is, Floyd should have fought fighters that people perceived to be a challenge to him. Like for instance, people think pre-cheat Margarito was a challenge. Arum offered him $8Million, the largest in his career that time, instead, he fought Jab Judah after Judah lost the belt to Baldomir.

Posted January 8, 2014 9:32 am 


curtley

Ray Ray, I agree that Manny is past his best but also see Floyds legs slowing, however his brain seems to be getting quicker, I still give Manny a shot if the ever fought as he still has power, speed and relentlessness, also I don’t think Mayweather can KO him and although Mayweather would be clear favourite I would still love to see the fight.

Posted January 8, 2014 9:31 am 


Ray Ray

Curtley- iv lived in Australia pretty much my hole adult life. Kostya didnt want Floyd…he had eyes only 4 Hatton. Every interview every article was Hatton Hatton Hatton. Kostya wasnt planning on losing 2 Ricky. Floyd took on Gatti round the same time. Im sure they would have fought if all went 2 plan. Kosyta didnt even a rematch claus…Kostya was thinking beyond Ricky. The other name @ the time was Gatti, so u could see where this was headed. The 2 winners got it on not long after.

Posted January 8, 2014 9:29 am 


eugene

Ray….you’re saying Hopkins is past his best, but still continued to fight, has beaten younger fighters and even managed to salvage a championship belt. That’s even put further more value on Joe Calzhage’s win over Hopkins, in view.

Posted January 8, 2014 9:24 am 


Ray Ray

Curtly I agree, both guys have contributed 2 this fight not happening….U will never see or hear Mannys die hard fans say that though, its all Floyd this Floyd that. I dont even like Floyd as a person, much prefer a humble guy like Manny or Kostya. Boy oh boy do I respect Floyds Boxing IQ, Skill, determination, Defence and most importantly his work ethic is 2nd 2 none. Same as I respect Mannys Heart and killer instinct, hes an excitement machine. He was.

Posted January 8, 2014 9:22 am 


curtley

Also whilst I always throw not fighting Kostya, Forrest a prime Mosely and a prime DLH at Floyd he was less advanced in his career when they were at their best so its not entirely Floyds fault and the only guy for Floyd around his weight class in reality is Manny. I would love him to do what my favourite fighters Ray Leonard and did and test himself in the extreme by fighting GGG or Martinez who are good but lets be honest are no Hagler. To me the Duran losing to Marvin especially after being starched by Hearns only increases his greatness as it showed he had the heart of a Lion in fighting Hagler who by comparison was a Rhino!

Posted January 8, 2014 9:18 am 


The oracle of Delphi

Mayweather’s near future:
- Loss

Mayweather’s further future:
- Bankruptcy
- Jail

Pac’s near future:
- Tax issues will be cleared
- He will continue giving us memorable fights win or lose

Pac’s further future
- He will continue to be a hero to his people and fans word-wide

Nuff said

Posted January 8, 2014 9:17 am 


Ray Ray

Eugine ur having a go @ Floyd 4 fighting guys that are past it or old….it go’s both ways, Manny has done that on many of occassions. As 4 Joe Calz….How old was Hopkins? He was past his best, granted Hopkins past his best is better than most in there prime but he and Roy def past there best when joe got hold of them. This has happend 4 ever, Floyd didnt invent it.

Posted January 8, 2014 9:12 am 


Jab

Yeah, Pacquiao is begging for the fight and Mayweather is begging not to fight.

Posted January 8, 2014 9:10 am 


Dan D

Eugene I think I kinda see what you’re trying to say, forgive me if that sounds off, and I disagree a little. I believe that, as a pro fighter in the ring against a fellow professional of very high pedigree, you cannot afford to disrespect any opposition. Going through intense camps time after time, without becoming complacent as Floyd has done for near on 20 years now, takes almost inhuman dedication, something you and I will likely never be able to relate to. To say Floyd doesn’t test himself is all well and good in retrospect but the guy never takes an opponent lightly. I’m just not sure that there is anyone out there between 140 – 154 that can beat Floyd, including Pacquiao.

Posted January 8, 2014 9:09 am 


curtley

One thing I do agree with Ray Ray on is that it is dumb to assume that it is all Floyds fault for the fight not happening.

Posted January 8, 2014 9:09 am 


curtley

I agree that nobody wants to lose but it is all relative to competition Floyd has fought some cracking comp but if he had been in the era of Leonard, Duran, Hagler, Hearns, Benitez and even Cuevas and De Jesus I can be pretty certain if he had fought the above guys he would have lost, not saying he couldn’t of hung with them but he would have lost, however he may have been seen as greater than he is now because he took the fight.

Posted January 8, 2014 9:07 am 


Ray Ray

Afraid I dont have the answer 2 that….if I did these guys would already danced, and we would b talking about the up and coming guys instead.

Posted January 8, 2014 9:06 am 


Ray Ray

Undefeated means nothing? What guy wouldnt want 2 b undefeated? Agree its not the b all or end all. Diff things make guys great. Any boxer would love a zero near there name.

Posted January 8, 2014 9:04 am 


curtley

Ray Ray, I get all that but doesn’t the fact that boxing fans who ultimately pay Floyds wages (not going to claim he hasn’t worked his ass off to achieve it) still want to see the fight matter. I get it that its a power struggle but it seems that Mayweather is more concerned about rewarding Manny who he sees as undeserving than pleasing the fans who made him. Before you call me a Pactard, I am definitely not and whilst I like Manny’s style more than Floyds, FMJ is the best I have seen since Ray Leonard, just baffles me as to why the fight that would 1)Give them both the most money available 2) The fans want more than other and 3) in Floyds case he feels is an easy win cannot be made. People talk about business but to me that’s the dumbest decision business wise and legacy wise that can be made.

Posted January 8, 2014 9:03 am 


Ray Ray

Kostya signed 2 fight Hatton over Floyd than lost. Thats y they never fought Kostya never laced em up again.

Posted January 8, 2014 9:00 am 


Ray Ray

Going around in circles with u Qwackquiao lovers….clottey beat Chico, ok 1 more time. U have supreme confidence when ur undefeated that ur unbeatable and no matter what happens u will come out on top, no doubts in other words. After a loss or 2 ur mind is completly diff. Do u get that? I wouldnt imagine u have any idea of what im saying? Nuthuggerz, good 1. Resorting 2 name calling now. Its ok Manny was good, just not any more. Floyds fought more champs more x champs, had more title fights. Current no.1 pnd 4 pnd and PPV records snapping left right and centre. Currently manny is all but done. Zero titles, F all options. U dont have 2 like it or agree but thats the truth. Its ok, Manny will still love u long time after 2014 when hes back on streets

Posted January 8, 2014 8:57 am 


curtley

Floyd is undoubtedly an ATG as is Manny but the undefeated don’t mean much, I like to look at greatness differently and one of the prime criteria for me is ‘did fighter A or B win a fight when they were the underdog or in a 50/50, this is more of a difficult thing to achieve when you are dominant but is what makes you a god, like Leonard beating Hagler, Hearns and Duran beating Leonard. Damn even failed valiant attempts like Ray Robinson vs Maxim or Duran vs Hagler set them apart. Floyd and Manny should have fought earlier and for whatever reason Floyd never faced Kostya, Forrest and a prime Mosely (mainly weight difference). Greatness needs to take risks and is not to me achieved by calculated business like decisions over fights.

Posted January 8, 2014 8:54 am 


eugene

Problem with Floyd, he has all the boxing pedigree…He just stopped challenging himself. I favored him to beat Pac if they fight. All he has to do is to drop all the ridiculous demands and make the fight already.

Posted January 8, 2014 8:47 am 


bud the chud

Just excuse after excuse from floyd to avoid pac man, even if pac did not lose fights he would have been no closer to floyd, along time ago floyd saw something in pac that poses at least a 40% chance of floyd losing, floyd don’t like fights approching even match ups, when he fights someone it has to be a dead cert, its why he avoided cotto until the loss, margarito when he was on a roll, paul williams, zab until he took 2 losses, mosley until he was ancient, there has never been a more cowardly champion in boxing history, several times pac has faced adversity and a will to face huge challenges, when it was announced he would fight de la hoya with such a huge size deficit people thought it was suicide but that’s what pac is about, that is why mike tyson is so open about having triple the respect he has for pac compared to mayweather… hard facts that only idiots could argue against

Posted January 8, 2014 8:46 am 


eugene

>>>>Ray Ray

Manny has 5 losses 2 draws Floyd has none…..theres no confusion?

…..Sugar Ray Robinson, Ali, and many other great fighters have losses in their career, but they’re considered the GREAT…
Even Joe Calzaghe would give Floyd a run for his money if you go on with the undefeated thing. Joe beat the legendary Bernard Hopkins. Who has Floyd beat in his weight class that can match Hopkin’s caliber?

Posted January 8, 2014 8:41 am 


BEARS

so i guess rocky marciano is the best heavyweight because he is u defeated and the no name u defeated guy he is the goat. undefeated spells greatness in boxing? no not really in any case. try again. unless your now just making a case that it does out of your nut huggery. and IN THAT CASE ( the case of your nut huggery) i understand COMPLETELY AND ENTIRELY

Posted January 8, 2014 7:56 am 


Ray Ray

Manny has 5 losses 2 draws Floyd has none…..theres no confusion?

Posted January 8, 2014 7:45 am 


BEARS (hey look floyd see’s a ripe cherry to pick and it’s name is kahn)

whats paramount here is pac plainly does not have the options mayweather has as he is too much risk and not as much reward. moreover, if your going to loose to pac than 70% of the time he is going to stop you LEGITIMATELY, not floyd on oritiz controversial style.

bahahahahahaahahahahah

floyd aint stopping ANY legit challenge son

Posted January 8, 2014 7:44 am 


eugene

>>>Ray Ray

Eugene-Wow….a pactard having a go @ floyd 4 weight issues or past prime ha ha ha. Morales 3 times, Berrara 3 times, Marquez 4 times? They where all over the hill an old, only problem is JMM put manny 2 bed. And having a go at Floyd 4 weight is a bit rich. Cotto and ODH Floyd fought @ 154 what did manny fight them at ? Now Arum wants 2 put manny in there with a featherweight? After getting lightweight in Rios 2 step up. U really r clueless.

….Those fighters you mentioned were considered the best at the weight when PAC fought them….and he fought them multiple times as you mentioned. Remember that Manny started as a flyweight as a pro. Some concessions had to be made when Pac fought at the higher weight classes because of the weight discrepancy…I’m not a pactard as you believed. I like Floyd when he was dominating at the early stages of his career when he was chasing for recognition. But nowadays, he became more of a businessman than a fighter.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:40 am 


BEARS (hey look floyd see’s a ripe cherry to pick and it’s name is kahn)

sergio like pac shouldve have happened just as long ago. its appeal and luster has come and gone. but alas this is floyd and his career and it only hangs over his head and his nut huggers who choose to not believe reality. and they wriggle and writhe like a worm trying to say it must not be so, say it aint so. but yes…………………it’s so.

hey 50 cent! tell me about floyds fear!!

Posted January 8, 2014 7:40 am 


BEARS (hey look floyd see’s a ripe cherry to pick and it’s name is kahn)

clottey beat your boy corrales who you just listed as potentially floyds GREATEST OPPONENT, clottey beat zab who also made mayweather appear to have some vulnerability. its kind of interesting after how zab faired against clottey and mayweather for pac to fight clottey. i would agree clotty is not the end all be all but floyds career is what it is.

pac does not have anything like the bs floyd has hanging over his head. pac doesnt have a philipeeno version of 50 cent who was his pal coming out saying he is scared. pac is not on you youtube describing that he himself is a cherry picker and pac does not have the cherry picking, dodging, and fake retiring i alluded to. pac is the fighter of the decade and 8 division champ not mayweather so dont get confused

Posted January 8, 2014 7:37 am 


Ray Ray

Im talking bout Danny Garcia not the featherweigh mikey.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:35 am 


Ray Ray

Im not ur son. Floyd will fight Garcia, Lara and maybe sergio b4 hes done….will manny? No.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:34 am 


Ray Ray

Now ur being silly washed up Oscar and Mosley? Manny fought them after Floyd ha ha ha ha. Goodnight sir. Im sure this debate will continue another time..

Posted January 8, 2014 7:33 am 


Ray Ray

Double standards again…..Manny until now has always had everything in his favour…both parties r guilty of that, u cant single out Floyd and not Manny in that department. Arum is the master ofvthe weight drain or getting guys past there prime. The only reason these 2 havnt fought is they both wanted as much as possible in there own favours and both parties wouldnt budge an inch.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:31 am 


BEARS (hey look floyd see’s a ripe cherry to pick and it’s name is kahn)

floyds career is pretty much cherry picking so why not? I think rios would be on par with guerrero, ortiz, and kahn in terms of cherry. or washed up gatti, washed up post retired oscar, washed mosely, baldomir, i mean the list goes on son, sadly pac’s just aint as long and who was trying to fight pac that he should have instead of rios? see pac always makes the best fights. who should may fight instead of all the cherry picking?

paul williams, serg martinez, manny pac, margrarito and his cement hands instead of fake retiring, danny garcia, 3g, or even mathysse. theres just far better options for floyd that could materialize and have been literally offered. not for pac son. so pull your head out of where the sun dont shine.

welcome to reality nug hugger

Posted January 8, 2014 7:30 am 


BEARS (hey look floyd see’s a ripe cherry to pick and it’s name is kahn)

and personally i think canelo is floyds best opponent. but canelo was so drained he could not let his hands go and brawl and take it to the streets or would gas. alas, if floyds not getting the advantage in some way shape or form fighting foregone conclusions, outweighing guys like jmm, or making the 23 year old phenom and walking fireworks turn himself into a skeleton. well it must not be a floyd mayweather jr fight. or if your not past your peak, post retired, and ring worn, by golly it must not be a floyd fight.

your damn right this guy aint fighting the equivalents to what manny fought in morales, barrera, and bradley. not in any way shape or form. personally i dont like pac or any more than i like floyd. but when it comes to boxing pax fireworks. floyds style is a deffensive one thats anti climatic ive ever seen. its not very appealing to me entertainment was but technique wise i dig it. I dont think the deffensive gem performances are worth ppv money either. so i have never bought one of floyds ppv’s.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:25 am 


Ray Ray

Maybe Floyd should cherry pick Clottey or Diaz or Rios…

Posted January 8, 2014 7:22 am 


Ray Ray

Ha ha ha bears khan is ranked higher than Rios….more double standards

Posted January 8, 2014 7:20 am 


Ray Ray

Carrales….Hatton i mentioned because of the fact both guys had not lost….its a diff frame of mind completly and diff confidence level when ur undefeated, im sure u dont no what i mean there? Anyway manny is done Floyd is not, simple. Manny will lose 2014. U didnt answer what did Floyd do 2 Marquez? u no marquez the guy who put manny 2 sleep.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:18 am 


BEARS (hey look floyd see’s a ripe cherry to pick and it’s name is kahn)

im mean good on jmm for landing the shot. its boxing it happens and he was getting wooped on leading up to it. you have to take those bouts all together you cant cherry pick which one speaks for the whole ball of wax. I think looking at the amalgam that is all the fights pac and jmm have had, clearly pac is better and i would put my money on him if they were to fight again. but it does not matter because styles make fights. who has dropped who more in all those fights as well? we can look at all kinds of scenerio’s in boxing history where fighter A beats fighter B fighter B beats fighter C and fighter C beats fighter A. This is because styles make fights. but we can still watch tape and look at the whole of a career and glean what we can but in the end it is always styles make fights and you NEVER know whats gonna happen. but pac vs may has lost majority of its luster. should have happened years ago like i said. and its clearly because of floyd it has not. floyds a scared cherry picker. now let him pick cherries.

floyd loves ripe cherry picking. he enjoys ortiz and guerrero flavor. he was considering picking ortiz again can you believe it????? i can because it’s reality but even more entertaining lets here a floyd nut hugger RATIONALIZE IT!!!!!!!!

Posted January 8, 2014 7:18 am 


WHAT!?!

Why is FMJ so scared of the little flyweight Paquiao? It doesn’t make sense. The bigger guy in FMJ who has fought very big Jnr Middles like Canelo, albeit he did drain him to a skeleton, yet he seems scared of a flyweight who is past his prime. I guess it wont matter once Khan ruins any little credibility FMJ had with any public.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:10 am 


BEARS

im surprised you bring up corrales. as cool as he is no way is the best. great entertainer, all time great boxer? no

i would have said castillo over corrales. then you acutally bring washed up dudes and post retired people thats sad if thats his best. little hatton eh………i wouldnts say thats his best and all these common opponents pac usually beats worse. then you think about pax work rate and you start to realize why floyd dodges this guy. you know just never know whats gonna happen. you can only count on one thing. pac is gonna relentlessly hunt you and land shots. and floyds plus/minus ratio will go to hell regardless. obviously team mayweather knows this. and this is why the matchup is so intriguing. it pits ultimate hunter aggresive relentless style against ultimate defense. ustoppable force meets immovable object kind of thing. styleistically it ranks up with maybe the best matchup of all time.

but should have happened at least 3 years ago if not longer when pac was SUPER RIPE. floyds just always been scared and unsure of himself. did not 50 cent tell you as much. oh wait you nuthuggers can explain the whole of reality away if it gets in the way of your nuthugging

Posted January 8, 2014 7:09 am 


Ray Ray

No I dont and it doesnt matter who u and I think won……in the record books it will and has gone down as a Bradley win. I guess jmm belting pac was lucky 2 u?

Posted January 8, 2014 7:07 am 


Ray Ray

Im not ur son……Marquez could have easily won all 4 fights. So could have pac, except the last 1, hes still a bit sleepy…..Manny fought Marquez 4 this so called fighter of the decade title not Morales. And he got ktfo. Marquez is pacs Frazier 2 Ali not morales.

Posted January 8, 2014 7:05 am 


BEARS

manny beat bradley. if your a boxing fan watching the fight tape you can glean as much. a simple google search will tell you the world pretty much subscribes to the view pac won. and we have bradley who is doing everything he can to not fight pac again. this does not really add up to anything convincing in terms of a bradley won claim. maybe you think the judges always get it right in boxing huh?

bahahahahahahahahahahahahahaah

Posted January 8, 2014 7:03 am 


BEARS

marquez aint even pax third best opponent son. and i thought you knew something about boxing

Posted January 8, 2014 6:59 am 


BEARS

floyd sells garbage and te tumbo is there to slurp it up and nut hug. again who is floyds best opponent canelo?

now we would have to debate pac because he has fought some better comp in morales, barrera, and bradley and since we all know he beat bradley i say again can we have people tell me these two’s best opponent?

mayweather is a garbageman. never fighting the best fights available to him in serial fashion and te tumbo worships this. maybe floyd would have lost like pac had he not dodged paul williams, serg martinez, pacman, fake retired when his division lit up and avoided the cement hands of margarito. this is a boxing site about boxing. has nothing to do with money or what money floyd makes. boxing is boxing not the money game. boxing fans are boxing fans we dont come to this site to share views and opinions on money it is irrelevant. real fans want the best fights being made at least thats what real fight fans want. nut huggers buy and deffend mayweather vs ortiz, guerrero, and kahn. nothing more nothing less. mayweather has existed on the baldomirs, gatti’s, oritiz, guerreros, and kahns and even had large gaps b/w fighting convenient for cycling. why did he have to settle with pac outside of court when questioned about his own use?

i will tell ya im tired of these nuthuggers. there is no way you can make a case for mayweathers greatness when you struggle to identify his best opponent or what individual awesome fighters defined floyds greatness. sorry but if 23 year old canelo was your best opponent and you just fought him after 16 years fighting and you have the dodging, cherry picking its a business so i cherry pick demons than your not even in the goat conversation. we can all go to youtube and watch mayweather self proclaim to be the cherry picker VERBATIM. floyd nuthuggers wriggle and writhe when they watch the video

Posted January 8, 2014 6:57 am 


Ray Ray

What did Floyd do 2 mannys best opponent ha ha ha, ring ring schools in….complete shut out when he beat Marquez.

Posted January 8, 2014 6:54 am 


Ray Ray

Arrr Pac didnt beat Bradley. Morales? Hmmm not sure if thats mannys best opponent. Have 2 say Marquez. 1 draw, ktfo once. 2 close wins that could have went either way. Floyd, take ur pic. Undefeated Carralles, rough and tuff guy who was suppose 2 man handle him in Gatti. Oscar and Cotto @ a heavier non dehydrated weight. Bigger stronger Canelo. Undefeated Hatton b4 being mentally weakened by getting a lesson off Floyd…..Manny Qwackquiao has been riding on Floyds coat tails 4 yrs….now avoiding all good opposition @ Golden boy, qwack qwack

Posted January 8, 2014 6:51 am 


Dan D

Doesnt matter who Floyd fights, he will never be recognised by some fans. Pac is now on the slide and Floyd is also declining with age in the views of some. I blame the promoters like Arum mostly for this fight not happening 4 years ago.

Posted January 8, 2014 6:48 am 


Cris

PACQUIAO ur NEXT… then, I never say that!!! hahahahaahaha…IDIOT

Posted January 8, 2014 6:41 am 


BEARS

pac has fought all time greats morales and barrera, beat bradley, who would we say pac’s best opponent is morales?

who would we say mayweathers best opponent is? canelo?

bhahaahahahahahaahah answer the question those talkn smack about pac and those nuthugging may

Posted January 8, 2014 6:41 am 


Ray Ray

Eugene- mismatch? Dont even get me started on Manny v Clottey or Diaz. U dont really no much do u? Typical 1 eyed manny Qwackquiao fan.

Posted January 8, 2014 6:24 am 


Ray Ray

Eugene-Wow….a pactard having a go @ floyd 4 weight issues or past prime ha ha ha. Morales 3 times, Berrara 3 times, Marquez 4 times? They where all over the hill an old, only problem is JMM put manny 2 bed. And having a go at Floyd 4 weight is a bit rich. Cotto and ODH Floyd fought @ 154 what did manny fight them at ? Now Arum wants 2 put manny in there with a featherweight? After getting lightweight in Rios 2 step up. U really r clueless.

Posted January 8, 2014 6:22 am 


Dan D

If fans want to see the fight then its very simple, don’t buy the PPV of either fighter in April and May. If everyone took that stance then we would have our superfight, the networks would demand it as ratings govern everything. Trouble is too many idiots will still eat whatever slop they are served.

Posted January 8, 2014 6:19 am 


eugene

>>>>>>Ray Ray

Havoc- answer me how a guy with more title fights, fought more champs and x champs is cherry picking?

……Because those x champs and champs were past their prime or coming up in weight. And some fighters he fought were an obvious mismatch. He avoided some fighters that people want him to fight…like Margarito (pre-loaded gloves debacle), Paul Williams, and now Pacman.
I commended Floyd for fighting Alvarez, but not after trying to ask him to move down at 147 or threatening to withdraw the fight if Alvarez comes heavier on the agreed weight of 152.

Posted January 8, 2014 6:06 am 


eugene

>>>>>harv

jay – when is the last time GBP and TR co-promoted a big event? TR want to lead promotion and GBP want to lead promotion, what’s the solution to that?

………Dela Hoya and Pacman’s fight was a co-promotion between GBP and TOP RANK. So, another co-promotion between the two company is not farfetched.

Posted January 8, 2014 5:52 am 


Ghetto Thug

Phonyao should have taken the fight while he could

Posted January 8, 2014 5:36 am 


Ray Ray

Havoc- answer me how a guy with more title fights, fought more champs and x champs is cherry picking? Im no genius but that just doesnt make sence. Answer? How does ur mind work? Looking 4 answers 4 mannys loses, oh Floyd must have cherry picked more world champs, bigger stronger world champs? Snap out of it.

Posted January 8, 2014 5:27 am 


No mercy

So this guy’s got all these problems and he wants Floyd Mayweather to solve them for him, huh? He’s got 68 million problems and he wants me to solve them. First he didn’t need me; now he needs me. He’s willing to do anything now after his career done took a major setback. First he wanted 50/50; now he’s like, “Floyd, give me anything. Throw an old, desperate dog a bone.” This man got 68 million problems. Now he wants Floyd Mayweather to solve his problems when he was just saying he’s on the same level as me. He basically told me, “F you! I don’t need you. I don’t need your $40 million. I’m getting the same type of money you getting.”

Posted January 8, 2014 4:49 am 


get over it

Only one that lost out was Manny. Flloyd made 300 million in 2013. Manny is in trouble with the IRS…

Posted January 8, 2014 4:38 am 


spartacrust

I’m really glad that both of them have lost out on millions of dollars, the greed that both men displayed was disgusting, they say they fight for the fans but that’s bs…I detest both of them and hope they lose more money

Posted January 8, 2014 4:19 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (The Lion King of Beat Street)

Pacman has been begging to fight FMJ since 2009. And now that he’s past his prime he’s still begging for the fight. Clearly, FMJ has been ducking the fight for years. And saying that he refuses to fight Pac as long as Arum is his promoter is just another PATHETIC excuse. Floyd should more than willing to deal with his hatred of Arum for one fight in order to give fight fans what we’ve been waiting to see for years. Real talk.

Posted January 8, 2014 3:48 am 


??

he’s running his mouth again its a smoke screen to his May 5th fight against KHAN whose probably on his level

Posted January 8, 2014 3:36 am 


Havoc

Pacman fights the best! Floyd cherry picked his opponents. No wonder Floyd zero is intact!

Posted January 8, 2014 3:30 am 


Jack Mehoff

Luis Collazo says Victor Ortiz “better not quit on Jan. 30″

Posted January 8, 2014 3:28 am 


Havoc

I still think Floyd is scared of Pacman.

Posted January 8, 2014 3:28 am 


Anonymous

Tired of Floyd ego trip. Talented boxer but what a punk. Just fight, no need for hypes!

Posted January 8, 2014 3:27 am 


Havoc

Pacqiuoa ain’t desperate! He is retiring soon! Needs to finish Floyd!

Posted January 8, 2014 3:26 am 


Papo

Floyd needs to admit that Pac may give him a run for his money and that’s why he will notfight him. He can make all the excuses he wants, but deep down he’s afraid of loosing his undefeated record. He’s not taking any chances and will pick his opponents carefully to ensure he retires as an undefeated fighter.

He’ll continue to talk trash about Pacquio, but talk is cheap and his excuses for not fighting him are lamed. Fight Pac or shut the hell up.

Posted January 8, 2014 3:25 am 


Havoc

Just fight! Floyd grow a pair! You will be making record breaking PPV and money no matter how you slice the pie! I guarantee you Floyd! Biggest payday of your career! Not unless you are scared to lose!

Posted January 8, 2014 3:23 am 


Dean

PUZZYWEATHER DONT WANT ANY PART OF THE PAC MAN, NEVER DID

Posted January 8, 2014 3:14 am 


Hidalgo

“run-my-mouth-itis.”

Posted January 8, 2014 2:46 am 


Hidalgo

The whole Mayweather family has run-my-mouth-it is. Really, this is pathetic. In the last couple of months Sr. has been harping, Roger had been harping, and Floyd has been harping. And some people try to deny that Floyd isn’t obsessed with Manny Pacquiao? If nothing else Floyd is an attention-whore. And if any of that attention ain’t getting to him, he’s going to do everything he can to get it.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:45 am 


Hidalgo

The bottom line is who’s pissing about who? If Floyd thinks so little of Manny Pacquiao why is he wasting so much time on him? I mean really, Floyd could be out burning hundred dollar bills or fighting with Security Guards at two o’clock in the morning.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:41 am 


Prof Konje

Although I’m not a Pacquaio fan, I do feel bad about his financial problems? With the money that he (hopefully) made with Arum he shouldn’t be broke. Someone should have been looking out for him and his finances. How much did he make with Arum all of these years?

Posted January 8, 2014 2:37 am 


Hidalgo

“and why Floyd does NOT want to help him out. Would you want to bail out some sicko who does that to children?”

Maimutica, how do you know Floyd knows this? You one of his brain cells?

Posted January 8, 2014 2:36 am 


Hidalgo

BTW, I see Floyd’s obsession with Manny continues. Floyd just cannot handle the fact that Manny is still so popular and gets all this attention even after being KOd and losing two fights in a row. I mean really, Floyd does have another choice: He could just shut up! But he can’t. His goal in life for over four years now has been to destroy the image of Manny Pacquiao. He still hasn’t succeeded.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:32 am 


Hidalgo

“Pacquiao made less than $40 million in that fight”

L-M-F-A-O! Less than $40 million. LMFAO! Oh, my eyes are watering! Yep, poor poor Manny, turned down a fight with Floyd and still made well over $30 million dollars. LMAO!

Posted January 8, 2014 2:28 am 


Haimat

Let’s all just stop for a moment and remember who was voted fighter of the decade.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:27 am 


Country Whores Lead Me Home

If Mayweather doesn’t fight Pacquiao, he’s a pussy!

Posted January 8, 2014 2:22 am 


Haimat

Floyd being a school yard bully in his best moments. The dude is as intelligent as your average 14 yo kid. Every statement by his is a farce. LOL

Posted January 8, 2014 2:22 am 


te tumbo

“Delaying this fight has been great for BOTH these guys…” Great for Mayweather whose remained #1 P4P and undefeated throughout this seemingly endless saga. could’ve hardly turned out worse for Pacquiao*. he lost to Bradley; was alternately outclassed and afterwards FLATTENED by his other (albeit “older”, “slower”, and “ringworn”) rival Marquez; and his comeback performance v. Rios was (as Hec Dog would say) “boring”. consequently, he’s* not worth a $50 million payday, which has just about become Floyd’s standard quote. the vast expanse between their respective marketing power is almost irreconcilable, which is reflected in Floyd’s comments. why put up with Arum’s obnoxious ego just because Pacquiao* has too? that just doesn’t make sense to “Money” and who can blame him? HE remained #1 P4P and Undefeated. it was Pacquiao* who failed to sustain his own presumed “greatness”. like Floyd says, he’s got problems.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:12 am 


mharcky02

not a word from manny coz his a MAN.

Posted January 8, 2014 2:04 am 


Jack Mehoff

dem gains !

Posted January 8, 2014 1:46 am 


D

Ali2727, you’re an utter piece of human garbage.

Posted January 8, 2014 1:40 am 


royjoneslastfight

Mayweather > Pacquiao

Posted January 8, 2014 1:19 am 


Ali2727

Floyd contradicts himself and lies like a politician, he is the Obama of boxing ! it’s time to ban Floyd’s future PPVs and impeach Obama. What a better world it would be!

Posted January 8, 2014 1:05 am 


Whocares

Mayweather wants to be “hated”…he shall receive what he is asking for….actually, it is sad that a talented and intelligent man like him mocks everybody…totally not necessary and Pac does not deserve it, so please stop making excuses for Mayweather.

Posted January 8, 2014 1:03 am 


Whocares

The truth is Mayweather is an a$s and coward.

Posted January 8, 2014 12:59 am 


lionhard

Peace out haters….have a good night…..

Posted January 8, 2014 12:58 am 


lionhard

Xylo…..Mayweather has given the dude CHANCES….Google the info, if you dont believe me or the others that are TELLING the TRUTH on this sight…….Like Jack Nicholson said in the movie, Xylo – “You cant handle the truth”……

Posted January 8, 2014 12:57 am 


Whocares

Te Tumbo is part of Floyd’s entourage, you can’t take him seriously. He will support Mayweather no matter what, even if he would defecate on him..

Posted January 8, 2014 12:55 am 


Ali2727

Floyd has made a mockery out of a sport that made him wealthy. Forget about the BS in the past, the window for this fight is closing fast. If Ali never fought Frazier, Duran never fought Leonard, Ali never fought Foreman, it would be a travesty. Te tumbo of all people boxing history means nothing to you if you side with Floyd. If there is no Mayweather vs Pacquiao, then it will be Floyd’s legacy that will be tarnished, because PAC wants to fight now, lets quit bringing up past BS. If it never happens then it was “right on” Floyd that didn’t make it happen. He should have Kentucky fried chicken free for life!

Posted January 8, 2014 12:52 am 


Whocares

He still is sour about Pac’s success and all the attention Pac received in the last few years… For Floyd’s sake, I hope he never loses, he is so insecure, who knows what he will do…I guess the poor guy did not get any love when he was a child…he needs counseling to deal with his childhood traumata and his fear of facing Pacquiao…

Posted January 8, 2014 12:51 am 


Gallinas de Puelto Lico

What Im saying is that Mayweather DOES NOT REALLY WANT to face Pacquioa because he doesnt have to. He has all the momentum on his side. Arum isnt making it any easier by trying to stick his old crusty spoon in the mix. Pacquioa should go up to Mayweather accept the crumbs because he didnt take that 40 mil and now he has to. Pacquioa stock is down in the gutter and unless he fights another mexican fighter ( Canelo,perhaps ) there is no way he is getting another big paycheck. Pacquioa is back to square one. He currently trying to build up. Mayweather’s doesnt have nearly half the distractions Pacquioa does. Thats why Pacquioa is losing as of lately.

Posted January 8, 2014 12:48 am 


Whocares

Hahaha, Mayweather is still jealous…what a loser…

Posted January 8, 2014 12:44 am 


lionhard

correction….JUST AS big as……my bad!!!

Posted January 8, 2014 12:42 am 


Floyd Xylocaine Mayweather

Floyd is too emotional.

Posted January 8, 2014 12:40 am 


Gallinas de Puelto Lico

@ sam
Yea even if Mayweather was bluffing. Pacquioa should have taken it. 40 mil? I would have said ” lets go” but Pacquioa’s pride and Arum’s greed didnt allow it. Now Mayweather can throw that in their face for years to come. Thats why he acts the way he does. Pacquioa should of done what Maidana did. Just said yes and waited….and waited…until… the opportune moment and then smacked that fool around. Pacquioa got greedy and his head got filled with hot air by Arum. thats what really happened.

Posted January 8, 2014 12:39 am 


lionhard

FORGIVING your father for being a POOR example in the early stages of life is a BEAUTIFUL thing!! I know TONS of dudes that harbor grudges towards their fathers for not being a “father”!! Thats a MAJOR ACCOMPLISMENT in itself!!! In Gods eyes that can be JAST AS big as reaching a political office (providing its done for the right reasons)!!! I CANT JUDGE whats a “BETTER” accomplishment!!! Pac hasnt accomplished what Mayweather has, and again, vise versa!! Manny has his set of “gifts & talents”….Floyd has his!!!They wouldnt be able to do entirely what the other can do…..so, this to can be opined from a perspective of HATE….simply because we NATURALLY gravitate towards our BIAS outlooks……

Posted January 8, 2014 12:38 am 


Floyd Xylocaine Mayweather

As we all kow Floyd does not fight for legacy instead he fights for $$$ and it’s ok.

So why is he running away from a fight where he will make the most money? if he is a true businessman or sharp minded as his fans call him then he should take the oppurtunity as Pac is saying yes and just beat him and make more 250$ million in return.

Thats the question which shows who floyd is.

Posted January 8, 2014 12:36 am 


Jab

I don’t care who wins the fight if it happens, I just want to see it.

So Mayweather claims Pacquiao is now begging for the fight. Well, I don’t hear Pacquiao constantly talking about Mayweather, or insulting fighters from the safety of his home. As far as I know Pacquiao has basically been silent, and u know the ole saying about keeping your eye on the quiet ones!

Posted January 8, 2014 12:33 am 


Proud African

Mayweather does not need Pac. Pac has the option of facing Canelo, something the brave Mayweather did.

Posted January 8, 2014 12:29 am 


SAM

you know what that 40M offer of mongoloyd mayweather back in 09, is just a bluff! even if pacman accept that offer, mongoloyd will find another excuses..moron!!

Posted January 8, 2014 12:26 am 


te tumbo

“He felt like he was on the same level as me. He wouldn’t have asked for 50-50. So now, two losses later and he’s got a problem”. you gotta hand it to Floyd. when he’s right, he’s right on the Money. it happened exactly as he succinctly described. Team Pacquiao* had become convinced that Pacquiao’s* brand was equal to Mayweather’s. his delusional fanbase did him no favors either. that’s not to say that Team Pacquiao* ever believed that Pacquiao* was on Floyd’s level in a boxing ring, which is why they negotiated as if it were to be Pacquiao’s* final PPV payday. THREE losses later and they got a problem. Floyd recognizes it and has decided to demand a sacrifice before he grants Pacquiao* an audience. Arum has got to go. after all, “First he didn’t need me, now he needs me. Now you’re begging to get the fight.” you gotta hand it to Floyd. when he’s right, he’s right on the Money.

Posted January 8, 2014 12:23 am 


lionhard

The last post was for Mr. KILLA……

Posted January 8, 2014 12:15 am 


lionhard

Mayweather came from a family that was DRUG RAVAGED!! His pops went to jail for dealing DRUGS!! Mayweather could have gone the NEGATIVE route like SOOOO many young URBAN black youth!! INSTEAD he has become a BRILLIANT boxer that has set a STANDARD for conducting BUSINESS in a WRETCHED game that cares for NO ONE!!! “ACCOMPLISHMENT” is RELATIVE!! You CANT COMPARE the two, they BOTH came from DESTRUCTIVE lifestylZ!!! I COMPLIMENT them BOTH!! Youre gonna support who you like BETTER!! its as SIMPLE as that!! Manny DID NOT go thru what Mayweather went thru so he cant say he “UNDERSTANDS” and vise versa….they may have an idea to some DEGREE of the others struggle, but they didnt LIVE IT!!!!….its ALL RELATIVE!!!

Posted January 8, 2014 12:14 am 


Tomato Can

As great as Pacquiao is, he just might have his hands in too many baskets. I think his best move would be to make the Bradley rematch happen. This is no give me fight despite what a lot of Pac fans say… I suspect he’ll win. From there I’m not sure where he goes…

Posted January 8, 2014 12:11 am 


lionhard

Xylocaine….When KING SKILZ Mayweather went after Mosley – right AFTER Mosley DESTROYED MargaCHEATO….haters said he would NEVER fight Mosley after what he did to Marg; when he did fight Mosley….Mosley was SUDDENLY OLD and PAST his PRIME! Then to everyones SHOCK he takes on Canelo…when they said he would NEVER do it…..then his weight is an issue, a natural MIDDLEWEIGHT that can fight at 168 with NO PROBLEM!!! he can even push light heavy!!!…Manny REFUSED the fight TWICE now Mayweather is the one running…..you want to see things the way you want to…..in HATER MODE!!

Posted January 8, 2014 12:03 am 


KILLA

I don’t see Manny asking to fight Mayweather. I don’t see Manny posting pictures of Mayweather. I don’t see Manny talking to fighthype every FCKN day about Mayweather. The ONLY person desperate to look good is Mayweather. Manny has been making $$$$ for years. He does not Bragg about his $$$$. This guy came from the poorest place in the Phillippines a third world country. Mayweather was born in the U.S in an American home. He had the opportunity to be anything. Paquiao had nothing but a drive to get out of poverty. Paquiao became a FIGHTER. Mayweather became a FIGHTER. Paquiao became a congress man. Mayweather became a FIGHTER. Paquiao wants to become the president of the Phillippines. Mayweather still a FIGHTER. Two boxers: One was born in the richest country in the world. The other in one of the poorest country in the world. Paquiao has accomplished way more than Mayweather in and out of boxing.

Posted January 8, 2014 12:00 am 


lionhard

Of course theyre (his fights) ENTERTAINING and of course they are NOT BORING! Having the 2 highest grossing fights in HISTORY means that there are MANY who agree with me!! I DONT see a CHERRY PICKER, I see a guy that goes after the BEST in his division…its not alway easy getting the business side of things done….so guys like you HATE….jus look at the name you go by….Mr sensitive!!! Dont let my style of writing infuriate you, its just for fun AND emphasis….its just a style….Mr HATER!!!

Posted January 7, 2014 11:52 pm 


Tomato Can

FXM, I thought Mayweather was in a good fight this past September. Well it was a good fight on paper anyway… Mayweather is heading into his 3rd fight of a 6 fight contract with showtime. I think he should fight any top WW or JMW. As it stands as good as Pacquiao is, there are other fighters out there too. Besides time and time again, someone unsuspecting is the guy that beats the guy, in this sport…

Posted January 7, 2014 11:45 pm 


Floyd Xylocaine Mayweather

@lionhard

Look at how u wrote ur comment and looks like u are the sensitive one.

Calling a cherry picker a cherry picker is not hate.
Calling a boring fighter a boring fighter is not hate.

Is floyd entertaining in the ring?
Arn’t his fights boring to watch?

Posted January 7, 2014 11:43 pm 


Tomato Can

lionhard, thanks for agreeing… I try to respect all fighters. This is a ruff sport… Most think two fighters leaving it all in the ring is what this sport is suppose to be. I respect the fighters that do end up leaving it all in the ring, but that’s a high price to pay for a 36 minute fight…

Posted January 7, 2014 11:38 pm 


Floyd Xylocaine Mayweather

Tomato Can
I have to say that’s a damn smart fighter…
……………………………………………………………………………………….

I mean if he was ur family member i would understand you defending his position of not taking unwanted riskes.

So you want to be more impressed by his smartness of choosing his opponents or you would like to be impressed by the quality of his opponents?

what would entertaine u more?

Posted January 7, 2014 11:37 pm 


Gallinas de Puelto Lico

Ray Ray
Martin- theres no welterweight that can beat floyd including Manny.

— hate to say it, but I agree. a jr. middleweight maybe…but no welterweight.

Posted January 7, 2014 11:33 pm 


Ray Ray

Martin- theres no welterweight that can beat floyd including Manny.

Posted January 7, 2014 11:32 pm 


lionhard

Tomato Can….”no ones giving me anything….”what you posted is true about this dude….. the guy is utilizing his mind towards his future, not just the PRESENT hoopla that FADES so quickly, just like fickle fans opinions……

Posted January 7, 2014 11:28 pm 


Tomato Can

Manny calls his shots as well. He’s been doing very well by fight nothing but top rank fighters for several years now. It’s looking like that trend is going to change soon. Maybe Arum will start making duel promotion fights. If so then we can start taking this fight more seriously. Because Mayweather isn’t going to give an ounce at this point.

Posted January 7, 2014 11:22 pm 


lionhard

Mayweather HATERS are CONVINCED that Pacquiao can & will PUNISH him; so they are rallying for the fight in CRAZY #’s!! Thats WHY Mayweather is “still thinking” of him…..DELUSIONAL fans are CONVINCED, and are making it known – Mayweather is SCARED, RUNNING & that he will ultimately LOSE!! Mayweather HATERS are the ones that will have him “still thinking” about Manny – how?why!!??? because Mayweather knows how to make sensitive HATER fans even MORE sensitive AND spiteful……even without the use of an arrogant promoter such as Arum….

Posted January 7, 2014 11:20 pm 


Tomato Can

No ones giving me anything. I’m not saying Maywaether is helping us fans. But I will say he sharper than most, because the vast majority of fighters get used up and abused by the sport as well as it’s fans. And when they’re done, their life’s are a mess. And those same fans that watched the fighter give thier life to sport, will call them punchy and make fun of their speech in a heartbeat. So on my humble opinion, when a fighter is good enough to fight for 17+ years and call his own shots, I have to say that’s a damn smart fighter…

Posted January 7, 2014 11:15 pm 


Tomato Can

Fans said Mayweather was forced into the the Mosely and Alvarez fights. As soon as he was done fighting those guys he was again called a cherry picker and ducker. Nope, he wanted to fight both of them and he did…

Posted January 7, 2014 11:08 pm 


Floyd Xylocaine Mayweather

@Tomato Can

If flody was giving you some money out of his bank then it would have been a diff story, but you get nothing from floyd other then watching him fight.

so are you saying that you as a boxing fan dont care who floyd fights as long as he his making big bucks?

Plz clearify your position for the forums.

Posted January 7, 2014 11:08 pm 


Tomato Can

Whatever he does, he won’t be fighting anyone unless he wants too…

Posted January 7, 2014 11:05 pm 


Floyd Xylocaine Mayweather

Next thing floyd will ask is that he should be allowed to pump Xylocaine in his jaw and only then he will fight Pac.

Posted January 7, 2014 10:59 pm 


Tomato Can

Mayweather’s going to do whatever he wants to. If he doesn’t want to fight Pac, he’s not going to… It’s not as if Pac is a must for his career. He makes millions upon millions no matter who he fights. Pac is in a hole just as Mayweather stated, and there’s nothing right now worth digging him out of it. It’s not fair, but when is life ever fair… And for those of you who think Mayweather needs to fight GGG or SM, that’s never going to happen. Why would Mayweather risk that when he can fight anyone, and he continues to win, he’ll keep generating big money… So he may be thought of as a cherry picker and ducker by many, but none of you can call him dumb or late to the bank…

Posted January 7, 2014 10:57 pm 


BLUESMAN

Mayweather and Pacquiao should either fight each other or RETIRE!!

Posted January 7, 2014 10:44 pm 


Martin “El Bruchador” Honorio

Uuhmm…. after reading this , Pac would be like — ” I’m glad that he’s still thinking about me.” … lol …. and very true too… did you hear anybody else who is in Floyd’s head right now? Floyd’s know that after the Canelo fight…. there’s nobody else who pose a threat to him….( if there’s anyone here who thinks there’s a welterweight who can beat Floyd other than the Pacman— feel free to contradict me)…… so maybe Floyd also needs the Pacman…. they both needs each other….. well, if Floyd fights Sergio Martinez or GGG that’s another story….

Posted January 7, 2014 10:40 pm 


PEEJ

Pac could of already had the fight but he chose not too. Unfortunately he is in the situation he is in now because of Arum and Koncz. Hopefully he realizes this and does not renew his contract. If he beats Bradley he may be able to get that Floyd fight next year

Posted January 7, 2014 10:34 pm 


Gallinas de Puelto Lico

haha, funny stuff. I wonder how much Pacquioa can keep this “nice dude” attitude. If it was me, calling me out like that, I would have gone all the way to where that mthfker lives and beat the crap out of him or at least catch him in the street and make him try and repeat that sh#t to me in my face. But Pacquioa…hes getting punked left and right and he just takes it with no vaseline…lol.

Posted January 7, 2014 10:14 pm 


Anonymous

Manny is a joke I guess Alverez was cherry picked a undefeated guys at KOed everyone he face and who no one wants to fight, I bet Manny wont fight Canelo.

Posted January 7, 2014 9:46 pm 


stop giving cash to these chumps.

These two guys continue to walk all over us and we keep on buying their BS. Not me! No more! If they don’t fight on regular HBO or Showtime then I say FU both! I’m not paying anything until I get the fight I want. I hope everybody out there feels the same way and stop giving cash to these chumps.

Posted January 7, 2014 9:41 pm 


Fight Aficionado

The cherry picking ducker sure talks a lot about Pacquiao for a guy who won’t fight.

Posted January 7, 2014 9:24 pm 


Nathan

I understand that boxing is a business and money is to be made but Rob you tend to base all your arguments on PPV history or future PPV potential.

But lets get things straight here…. Neither one of these guys are bigger than boxing so please stop perpetuating this by continually going on about PPV.

Rules need to be in place to ensure the best fight the best not the PPV fights the PPV, the numbers will come with the best fighting the best.
Win a title, defend the title if you don’t you’re stripped of the title. If you don’t follow the rules your fight is not sanctioned if your fight is not sanctioned you don’t make any money. Take the power away from the ego’s and promoters the real power should rest with the sanctioning bodies but they are on gravy train as well and all us fans lose out.

Posted January 7, 2014 9:15 pm 


KO King

What a pussy. Health comes first. Rich coward. More excuses from the king of excuses.

Posted January 7, 2014 9:02 pm 


Tomato Can

In 2009 Bob had the majority of the WW’s. That isn’t the case now, at all…

Posted January 7, 2014 8:57 pm 


Maimutica

This article never spoke of Manny Pacquiao’s little problem with a child prostitution ring in the Philipeans that he is paying to keep quiet. People in the know, KNOW! Remember, you read it here first. By year’s end it’s going to be a HUGE deal. Manny will go from famous to infamous REALLY fast. He’ll be known as that pedophil who used to box. Mark my words, THAT is why Manny needs this fight, and why Floyd does NOT want to help him out. Would you want to bail out some sicko who does that to children?

Posted January 7, 2014 8:56 pm 


floyd mayweather

Hahaha

Posted January 7, 2014 8:55 pm 


Ray Ray

Look at Bobs stable than compare it 2 GBP i meant… my bad.

Posted January 7, 2014 8:55 pm 


Ray Ray

Both guys have played there part in this fight not happening….@ the time both guy easily the biggest draw cards. Now not so much. Arum in my opinion is the major hurdle. Both camps wanted as much as possible in there favour and both teams wouldnt budge an inch. Its pretty clear 2 me Arum must b a crook. Floyd left him, Oscar, Cotto left him, all went on 2 make more coin. Bradley wants out of toprank, Gamboa tried 2 leave and paid the price big time. Manny is having money issues meanwhile bobs probs more cashed up than manny.Arums been with toprank along time….Hes a dinasour……2 set in his own ways. Oscar has all but finished Toprank, once Bob loses manny there F’d. Look at Bobs stable than compare it 2 Bobs.any1 involved with King back in the day no’s how 2 lie, deny and cry. At the age of 80 a man should no better than 2 b so pig headed, stubborn and spightfull. If Toprank would do business we would c so many good fights and not justFloyd v Manny. Alvarez, Mattysse, Lara, both Garcia’s, Bradley, Khan, Paullie, Bradley, Provo all squaring off. Retire Bob.

Posted January 7, 2014 8:52 pm 


ha

I remember my ex wife asking for 1/2 in our divorce. She didn’t get it. Now she wants more cuz I’m making bank. Ain’t going to happen. Stick to your guns Floyd, cheaters like Pac don’t deserve dudu.

Posted January 7, 2014 8:49 pm 


TARK

Delaying this fight has been great for BOTH these guys…

What other boxers in fistic history have made as much money??? NOBODY! The publicity they generated over their often pending fight has been an enormous boon for both of them.

They have salted away 100′s of millions each in the last few years.. If only Pacquiao paid attention to his finances — and who was handling his money — he would be a very rich man right now..

Instead he’s coming off like some idiot with his head up his butt … The money he made is probably still there somewhere — he just needs to round it up, pay his taxes, and get rid of the crooks … Then he needs to fight Floyd. He doesn’t have to — but the world wants it.

Floyd has to realize he cannot escape this fight… He must fight Pac.

Posted January 7, 2014 8:47 pm 


srminimo

Ok Floyd, fight Khan and see how many ppvs you get.

Posted January 7, 2014 8:41 pm 


nightmare nick

mayweather is really messing this up for his rep. There used to be 2 sides of the story of why the fans are not getting this fight. At this point it is no longer in dispute who is holding it up. lame

Posted January 7, 2014 8:41 pm 


murderman

I wish manny woulda took that 40 mil in 09, 10 when he had the chance. He is a great fighter and its messed up due to that devil arum he is broke! He deserves better! Hope he dumps arum so he can get the big payday w floyd that he deserves. Floyd left arum and now he is the man! Pac can do the same thing! He is a big enough star to promote himself!

Posted January 7, 2014 8:39 pm 


jay

harv- it happened in the past my friend,TR and GBP can always have an agreement if they really want this to happen.. but as mayweather stated,he will never fight manny un less hes out with arum.. so floyd is the problem here,fighters dont have to care who the promoters are,they cannot dictate… to be the best,you have to fight the best… i really think floyd will win this fight,but floyd doest have the guts to fight this guy..

Posted January 7, 2014 8:34 pm 


Ryder Street East

Right on vin man. I, and numerous others I have spoken to, will not pay another penny for a ppv from fraud. They will see the numbers after the Amir Con scam and get the message. I am about to delete ESB because I am sick of the daily, incessant, mouth piecing they do for this fraud.

Posted January 7, 2014 8:29 pm 


JoeKidd

If this guy doesn’t see a psycho fast, he’ll need a pink padded cell permanently!

Posted January 7, 2014 8:28 pm 


VINMAN

We the fans are the suckers! THese two guys continue to walk all over us and we keep on buying their BS. Not me! No more! If they don’t fight on regular HBO or Showtime then I say FU both! I’m not paying anything until I get the fight I want. I hope everybody out there feels the same way and stop giving cash to these chumps.

Posted January 7, 2014 8:26 pm 


murderman

Of course he is begging for a fight! He is broke and the irs is on his ass! Floyd will fight him eventually. Floyd is just playing these silly lil games like always!

Posted January 7, 2014 8:23 pm 


harv

Abel Ilocos – how will the fight happen if Manny is with TR and Floyd is with GBP? Those two promoters consistently refuse to work with each other, so how would the fight happen?

Posted January 7, 2014 8:21 pm 


Abel Ilocos

Here we go again! Floyd Jr. is lining up another road block for a fight with Manny not to happen.

Posted January 7, 2014 8:19 pm 


harv

Fan – can you answer my previous questions?

Posted January 7, 2014 8:18 pm 


Fan

La la la what else ya got ? More excuses why not to face paquiao . I hope the fight never happens. This fight has lost its integrity anyways.

Posted January 7, 2014 8:17 pm 


harv

jay – when is the last time GBP and TR co-promoted a big event? TR want to lead promotion and GBP want to lead promotion, what’s the solution to that?

Posted January 7, 2014 8:17 pm 


jay

hes asking u to fight him to prove who really is the best. stop ducking and fight manny if youre really not scared!

Posted January 7, 2014 8:15 pm 


jay

stop hiding floyd! shut up and just fight manny!

Posted January 7, 2014 8:13 pm 



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