Ward sucks and I mean just that SUCKSPosted January 31, 2014 4:15 am
Boxingfan, i think u drank too much 151 if u here to sell tha Andre Ward is good. Ward is the king of the much bucket collection of 168z the worse in decades. Ward for years was nobody and did nothing but fight bums. The waste of a time super 6 mush, gave him a name of winning a joke of a tourney with a collection of misfits. Ward took on Dawson at 170 and what the heck did that prove, especially when adonis destroyed dawson at his healthy weight. Ward suxxxPosted January 29, 2014 4:04 am
Anyone up here that states Ward is not a great fighter or has a weak resume in the fight game, doesn’t have the smallest clue, knowledge, or understanding of boxing. It’s the science of hit & not get hit, not stand toe to toe & punch each others heads of. U kind of people are the idiots of boxing fans!Posted January 25, 2014 4:12 pm
JUST ANOTHER HYPE JOB.. END OF.Posted January 25, 2014 11:44 am
Andre ward cant knock down a 10 year old on ice skates. 168 div is the worse talent in the businessPosted January 25, 2014 6:49 am
Kovalev and GGG will clean boxing world from dirty Apes.Posted January 24, 2014 7:08 pm
Tark – True but Froch hits way harder than Ward, and Froch didnt actually land that much on Groves till late in the fight. Ward has never faced anyone who has foot speed, mobility, handspeed yet; Froch, Abraham, Bika, Johnson, Kessler etc are all come forward, relatively slow fighters. Ward would have had little to no chance against Roy Jones or Joe Calzaghe for example, he himself is not particularly mobile or fast, and his power and stamina arent great. Those two would have been far too mobile, busy and fast for Ward, and both had better power and stamina too. Groves is not in that class, but he is one of the few mobile Super Middles out there, and would present a different and new challenge to Ward.Posted January 24, 2014 6:40 am
Andre Ward needs a true fighters fight. Ward drags through weak opposition and wants to be noted for it. I agree, noway should he be on the P4P list. When you place ward on that list, then you destroy the integrity of the list.Posted January 24, 2014 3:19 am
Ward is horrible to watch and this guy doesnt have one super fight to his weak resume and the guy cant pull the trigger to get weak opposition otta there. Ward needs a big name and needs to win big. Ward bored us with sucked up Dawson and before that , what … nothing. Every fighter in that goofy toe up super 6 is a waste and thats where Ward was found. Ward is overrated and just a bore tour.Posted January 24, 2014 2:59 am
If you think GGG resume is thin, you need to look at Wards as well. None of the fighters he has beaten would go 12 rounds with Golovkin, Froch, Kessler a walk in the park for Golovkin, so who else has he beaten of note, nobody.
ausbox, your heading down the same path as DMX, i.e. letting your personal like or dislike of a fighter affect your opinion. bad move, ruins any credibility you have here. and without that credibility, you are basicallt talking to yourself. think about bro. and keep un-biasedPosted January 24, 2014 2:32 am
ward is horrible to watch, just horrible, and he’s as dirty as a third world hooker, but that said, he is a master and will retire undefeated. and to all those who say he has fought no-one….STFU. he has fought EVERYONE. he has ransacked his division, made clowns of the lot of them. these are the same idiots who say froch has fought no-one. HE HAS FOUGHT EVERYONE. im no fan of ward, but the kis is so so so goodPosted January 24, 2014 2:28 am
AssyrianGod says…,, “Groves may well beat Ward.”
You know better than that.. Groves gets hit with everything., Ward would chew that kid up like a hotdog.. Did you see Groves face after a few rounds with Froch? His defense is as leaky as Kessler’s.. Hunter is praying that Groves goes for the fight.
He’s not… He not saying, “Give me Ward” because he knows he’s not ready.Posted January 24, 2014 1:09 am
Is everywhere outside of the US now considered Europe? When did this happen? Will Mexican fighters be European soon as well? Any you Americans wonder why the whole world thinks you’re stupid……Posted January 23, 2014 10:17 pm
The only way Ward could impress me is to fight Kovalev. GGG is a great matchup but he still has to clean out 160.Posted January 23, 2014 9:20 pm
I would absolutely love to see Ward totally school and outclass GGG sometime this year. GGG is damn good and exciting, but he isn’t anywhere close to SOG. I can admit one thing, GGG’s supporters are “Die Hard” and that’s exactly what will happen if their hero runs into Andre SOG Ward!Posted January 23, 2014 8:13 pm
Anonymos has never been in the ring or to prom.Posted January 23, 2014 6:36 pm
A home decision = corrupt/ bad officiating.Posted January 23, 2014 4:26 pm
How was Ward vs Froch a home decision when the fight was held in New Jersey and Ward lives in California? Joe Cortez did a terrible job protecting that con Khan from a pasting by Maidana, was that a home decision. What about Pacs gift decision vs Marquez on their third fight, then Bradley vs Pac, what about Chavez snr vs Sweetpea, ODH vs Trinidad. All these examples just off my head were just bad officiating nothing else practised anywhere in the world be it Thailand or Vegas.Posted January 23, 2014 4:22 pm
Goose – you are nothing but a raving fool and a blithering idiot. Corrupt officials are everywhere be it England, US, Germany, Mexico or Australia. My point was specifically about Froch vs Ward and I repeat Ward would spank Froch no matter which side of the pond the fight is held simply because his a better boxer period.Posted January 23, 2014 4:08 pm
haha!Posted January 23, 2014 3:50 pm
Tom Cribb v Jem Mace, best British heavyweights ever and White Britain’s best champ. Forgot Bob Fitzsimmons who was the last, in 1897, lol! Love Andre Ward, number 2 p4p!Posted January 23, 2014 3:48 pm
Tom Cribb. White Britain’s last good heavyweight…Posted January 23, 2014 2:57 pm
Ward cleans up against Froch again… Groves was clownin’ Carl, ffs. Even Stevie Wonder could see that, fools.Posted January 23, 2014 2:55 pm
also a boxers purse would be taxed more in the UK, a lot more.Posted January 23, 2014 2:04 pm
“fighters have to go to where there is $”
No, they can also go where there is £.
The truth, I should think, is that Ward could actually get paid more if the fight took place in the UK. You could easily fill a massive football stadium of 80,000 if the event took place here (especially if Froch fights Groves again and beats him first). In the US you’d be hard pushed to get 20,000 I should think. I don’t know about the other aspects (e.g. taxes), but then neither do you: you’re just assuming, on no basis whatsoever, that Ward won’t fight in the UK because he’d make more money in the US. That the assumption is false is suggested to me by the fact that I have never heard a US fighter mention this as an excuse for not fighting in the UK (though if true it would be an understandable one), but I’ve heard plenty of others.Posted January 23, 2014 1:36 pm
Andre Ward Ready For A Great 2014 fighting in his own backyard with his own judges and his own ref. Ward is a joke world champion. He doesn’t deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the great champions of the past.Posted January 23, 2014 1:17 pm
fighters have to go to where there is $. If a big purse was in Manchester, ward would go there. The fact that taxes are so dam high is also an issue.Posted January 23, 2014 12:53 pm
I definitely agree that Froch should give Groves a rematch first (though I also think that the fight was much closer than most people remember it: try watching it without Jim Watt’s annoyingly biased commentary). But whether Froch chooses to fight Groves again or not, I’d like to see Ward travel to fight on Froch’s home turf. There is such a thing as “home town advantage” which has nothing to do with bent referees or judges. It may be alien to many Americans (where crowds at baseball and “football” games sir quietly stuffing hotdogs and doughnuts into their mouths and falling to sleep), but try watching e.g. Ricky Hatton versus Kostya Tzsu, Calzaghe versus Lacy (or even Froch versus Bute) if you want to get a flavour of what I mean (all these fights took place in Manchester). The atmosphere in an event like that is absolutely electric, and having a massive crowd cheering you on can make a great psychological difference and motivate the fighter to put on a better performance. I guess Ward knows this, which is why he’s not considering it (the Groves thing is an excuse: the referee was not cheating, just being a little hasty in looking out for the kid’s health).
To be clear, I’m not saying that Froch would win even if the fight happened in the UK, but I’d give him one hell of a better chance.
I definitely agree with most of what Goosemachine says too. Sadly, most Americans just don’t get it but perhaps they should try to imagine what it would be like if all their fighters had to travel to Europe or Russia every time they fought.Posted January 23, 2014 12:42 pm
Agree with Assyrian God about Fraud-Ward never facing A] Anyone unless he has hometown advantage, hometown referees and hometown judges, and B] That Ward has only fought come forward slow fighters at SM, maybe someone like Groves could expose him, even in his back yard. Outwork Ward and you beat him, because he has no power to change a fight, he grabs, holds, mauls, headbutts his way through fights in his own back yard against come forward types of guys.Posted January 23, 2014 12:31 pm
think ward can perform better than he did against rodriguez. GGG has work to di at 160.Posted January 23, 2014 12:30 pm
Edit> and obviously this greatly decreases their opponent’s chances of 1. landing punches and scoring points. 2. Winning. And 3. Knocking their opponent the fck out. It’s not rocket science bro.Posted January 23, 2014 12:21 pm
Happyboy aka Vegetable Brain thinks that his favourite fighters like Ward, Floyd and company should be afforded the huge luxury of plying by a different set of rules than everyone else. That even though they come from a country where many of the referees and judges are clearly as corrupt as sin, and bad decisions robberies happen on a much more frequent basis than anywhere else, these fighters shouldn’t have to ever leave the protective sanctuary of them and step outside their comfort zones and put themselves at a massive disadvantage like everyone else does by fighting in their opponent’s countries where everything isn’t stacked heavily in their favour all the time.
As I’ve explained to all you lobster-brained rapists countless times before, American fighters always have American referees officiating their fights when they fight at home. This is the only country in the world this happens and is obviously hugely beneficial for them, especially for extremely dirty fighters like Ward and Hopkins whose styles are heavily reliant on the use of illegal tactics, and in particular EXCESSIVE holding which is a tactic they use to greatly neutralize their opponent’s offensive capabilities. It’s a very simply equation. If fighter A is allowed to hold onto fighter B like a lonely old nympho everytime they get anywhere near them, then fighter A isn’t going to get hit a fraction of much as they would do if the referee wasn’t allowing them to do so and obviously this greatly decreases their chances of 1. landing punches and scoring points. 2. Winning. And 3. Knocking their opponent the fck out. It’s not rocket science bro.Posted January 23, 2014 12:19 pm
Happyboy – I disagree to a certain extend. All the super six fights were won by the home fighter. And whilst it goes against reasoning you cant get away from the fact that if the fighters are evenly (to a degree) matched, the home fighter always seem to get the win. Im not suggesting home town reffing or dodgy decisions it just seems to work out that way. Froch goes to Denmark. looses, Kessler comes over to the UK Froch wins! Now, I dont think Ward would loose against Froch in the UK, because I rate him that highly that I think evening giving away his home town advantage he beats any fighter at supermiddle, but then it would be good for his legacy if he shut those doubters up by coming over to the UK and beating Froch in his own back yard. However beyond this as Ive stated before I can now understand after seeing what happened to Groves why Ward wouldnt want to come anywhere near the UK to fight Froch.Posted January 23, 2014 10:38 am
Go down and fight who? GGG? What has GGG accomplished?Posted January 23, 2014 10:08 am
They way I see it, if he wants to heighten his Legacy, Ward should move up and fight Kovalev or Stevenson. Or he could go down and fight Golovkin.Posted January 23, 2014 9:47 am
and judging by how Grove was robbed I wouldn’t set foot on that island.Posted January 23, 2014 9:46 am
Martin – Where do you Brits get the idea that it would make any difference wether the fight is held in the US or GB, fact is Froch has got nothing on Ward and would be spanked even if the fight was held in Thailand.Posted January 23, 2014 9:43 am
P.S. Apologies to all brave girls out there ;-).Posted January 23, 2014 9:36 am
“after seeing how Groves was premeturely stopped, and then how the judges had the fight close when everyman and his dog had Groves miles ahead, Ward stated he would never put himself in that position.”
More BS, lies and excuses from Ward. He never once suggested he’d fight Froch in England even before the Groves fight, and bad decisions can be made anywhere. If he’s so precious, I’m sure it could be sorted out so that it’s in the UK but with an American referee, and the judges could all be non-British too. Would he take it then? No. Why? Because he’s a superstitious girl afraid of ever leaving his comfort zone, that’s why.Posted January 23, 2014 9:35 am
Ward will NEVER fight GGG. He’ll just sit in California fighting bums and declaring himself 168lb king as all his former titles go overseas. He’ll end up like Zab Judah or Roy Jones, fighting until he’s 40 to make up for all the fights he never took whilst guys everyone thought of as inferior to him made great fights, had great careers and retired rich.Posted January 23, 2014 9:10 am
The worst thing that happened to boxing fans in terms of Ward was the Froch Groves fight. Ward has stated since watching that fight that he was considering coming over to the UK for a big Froch pay day but after seeing how Groves was premeturely stopped, and then how the judges had the fight close when everyman and his dog had Groves miles ahead, Ward stated he would never put himself in that position. Whether this is true and he was considering it we will never know. What is true though is he has got a point and would be crazy to put himself at a massive disadvantage by coming over here to the UK to fight Froch. Beyond that though fights with GGG and Chavez would be worth watching. If Froch gives Groves a rematch and Groves beats him (which I would guess would happen), then a Groves V Ward fight would be massive.Posted January 23, 2014 7:56 am
Dead right about Ward not travelling during the Super Six. I think both Ward and Hunter are too “spiritual” (read: superstitious) to travel: they think it will bring them “bad luck”.
I’d actually give Froch a decent chance against Ward if the rematch were held in the UK, but Ward just ain’t got the balls to go into the lion’s den.
Hunter has already announced recently that Ward “just isn’t ready yet” to move up to 168lb, saying that they’ll “maybe think about that in a year or two”. That is pathetic. I mean, we’re talking about *7lbs* here, and Ward won his amateur championships and Olympics medal at 175, so what the f*** is Hunter talking about “not ready”?
Just lucky for Ward that he’s living at a time when there are so many different weight divisions and promotional companies that he can avoid Stevenson and Kovalev. But that ain’t no way to become an “all time great”.
So he’s going to play it safe and bore us all at 168 while hoping that Kovalev gets hit by a bus. I seriously hope that someone like Froch or Groves knocks him the F out, but given the way he clinches and holds and headbuts and used his elblow, and has home-town judges to officiate at his fights, it’s more likely that he’ll just keep on winning ugly snoozefests.
Well F him. I’d much rather watch Froch, Kessler and Groves any time. They’re real fighters, not just “talented technical boxers”. If that’s all you want to see you might as well go watch ballet.Posted January 23, 2014 6:44 am
Ward cannot be forgiven for cheating during the Super-6. Unlike everybody else, he REFUSED to play by the rules and fight alternate Home and Away bouts, thus fraudulently and unfairly giving himself a huge advantage. He needs to get a passport and go fight Froch and Kessler in their home venues. I feel he will be exposed anyway by a fast, mobile fighter, he is yet to face one of those, Groves may well beat him.Posted January 23, 2014 4:51 am
speak to me
Ward is the most OVERRATED fighters on the planet. Ward couldnt KO a girlscout in a wheel chair. Ward has the power of a wingless dove. Ward is handed a spot on P4P FOR WHAT, froch – Kessler, joke x 10Posted January 23, 2014 3:58 am
Ward sux and what a joke to put this guy on any p4p list , you kidding me.Posted January 23, 2014 3:52 am
Andre Ward I wish would do someting besides fight bums and bore all of us.Posted January 23, 2014 3:51 am
Ward will always fight in his home town with his personal referee, judges, boxing commission, commentators, etc. Ward was the only one who never had to travel in his tournament.’
Stevenson made it very clear that he wants to knock Ward out, at 175 or even 168. I am sure Ward would want Stevenson to come way down to 168 as Ward is afraid to go up to 175. SOB beat Kessler on an illegal headbutt that came from way across the ring, yet Ward’s referee believed that illegal headbutts are legal as long as it is Ward who does the headbutting. Ward also used his elbows, held, etc. Ward should have been disqualified. Ward has refused to even answer Stevenson. Ward would like to fight Ricardo Lopez if Lopez does not train but a week or so……….Christy Martin? Ward fans would love it……….Posted January 23, 2014 1:59 am
Chavez is a bum and a cheating chihuahua.Posted January 23, 2014 12:56 am
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ward is undefeated too lolPosted January 23, 2014 12:40 am
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Pink ward.Posted January 23, 2014 12:38 am
Not really sure what’s left for Ward. There’s nothing much at SMW.
Problem for Ward will always be that he’s a hard sell. Lesser fighters can and will be more popular than him.
to be the best he needs to start fighting some names we all know not british unan decisions. Kovalev and stevensonPosted January 22, 2014 9:28 pm
Ward is the best fighter in the world, end of story !!!
Class act should be be wards middle name.Posted January 22, 2014 7:34 pm
Turkish boxing fan
Ward is a great master of sweet science for sure. I watched Ward Dawson once again in the weekend and was very impressed how he made a high level fighter like Dawson look like a journeyman.Posted January 22, 2014 5:11 pm
Why is it that the words “Andre Ward” have such a soporific effect on me?Posted January 22, 2014 4:21 pm
Well it go the other way. Since Pac and company came out with excuses on why they couldn’t sign to fight Floyd should Pac have ever been high on the P4P ranking?Posted January 22, 2014 4:15 pm
Since Floyd won’t fight Manny, does it make any sense to have him rated the highest pound for pound fighter, or does that just show how absurd the pound for pound fighter concept is?Posted January 22, 2014 4:01 pm
how about ward vs hopkinsPosted January 22, 2014 2:49 pm
Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster
Ward is by far the best boxer at 168 but his style isn’t crowd pleasing. He should admit that Edwin Rodriguez was a comeback opponent though, whose ranking was inflated to justify the title fight – not a top 10 fighter at 168 (Ward was his first top 10 opponent). It’s fair enough as top fighters occasionally take on less than stellar opponents as gimmes after layoffs or losses – FMJ vs Guerrero, Manny vs Rios, they all have them occasionally.
Unless it’s by sheer brute force I can’t see anyone from 154 – 175 troubling Ward. Maybe Adonis or Kovalev are too big & strong, if they’re not he’d school either. GGG is likely too small and Ward would just clinch & jab to a points win. Froch gave Ward his toughest fight but I can’t see him improving on the last fight, which 2 judges gave to Ward by 2 rounds (I’m a Froch fan & thought Ward won by 3 or 4). Groves, Stieglitz, either Dirrell etc would probably lose practically every round against Ward.Posted January 22, 2014 2:44 pm
I’m pretty sure Jean Pascal could take him down in a war.Posted January 22, 2014 2:28 pm
Carl Froch said after fighting Ward that “he was either always too far from me or too close.” That’s a sign that you are in the ring with a master. Andre Ward is the truth.Posted January 22, 2014 1:33 pm
That’s debatable. And all his fights haven’t been in Cali so he hasn’t always fought in his own backyard. The people that he has beaten already where clearly beaten, not by favorable judges or refs but just beaten plain and simple. So it didn’t matter where he was fighting at.Posted January 22, 2014 1:31 pm
True warriors fight and defend in other people’s back yard…plus his style is boring.Posted January 22, 2014 1:18 pm
Considering Andre Ward has proven himself no.1 at 168 for a decent spell and won Olympic gold at light heavy, I wouldn’t mind seeing him at the higher weight permanently, As for Golovkin, I think the other top dogs at middleweight are looking to avoid him for as long as possible.Posted January 22, 2014 1:06 pm
So is the hit and get close and work on the inside like Ward does.Posted January 22, 2014 12:53 pm
The hit and hold style is unbeatablePosted January 22, 2014 12:52 pm
No if you are the Ring Champion it will not be taken away if you are injured or don’t fight. You can only lose it in the ring, retiring, getting beat, or moving out of the division. Unlike the titles where you can lose it by talking bad about the belt, owning another belt, not paying the fees for the belt or not defending against a mandatory.Posted January 22, 2014 12:48 pm
Ward is the champ and came back in dominant fashion against Rodriguez. He has also fought all the top guys currently at 168 except for Groves and DeGale. He has not lost any credibility.Posted January 22, 2014 12:47 pm
RING*Posted January 22, 2014 12:46 pm
GGG needs to dominate the MW division first, whether or not the broken down Martinez keeps avoiding (btw doesn’t take away champ status if you don’t fight for more than a year? If anyone knows please clarify)Posted January 22, 2014 12:46 pm
That is true, when was the last time he has fought more than once a year. But it would be nice to see him 2 to 3 times. See if he is even sharper than what he is when he does fight.Posted January 22, 2014 12:45 pm
Ward lost whatever cred he had from his brilliant work against Dawson only fighting once, and making for the worst headliner Hbo saw all year. Ward won’t go in against any name mentioned with the possible exception of JCC because that guy is so one dimensional he’d be target practice for Ward.Posted January 22, 2014 12:43 pm
So, Ward says 2-3 fights this year? I’ll believe it when I see it.Posted January 22, 2014 12:20 pm
GGG gets owned by ward any day. GGG greatest weapon is his power, Ward knows how to nullify his opponents power, remember (Abraham, froch) both power punchers, but their power didn’t matter against Ward.Posted January 22, 2014 11:57 am
GGG already stated he not ready to move up but he needs to find some real resistance with true test before looking at Ward.Posted January 22, 2014 11:29 am
Ward is a great fighter and I enjoy watching him. He is not ducking GGG. Fact is GGG has already said maybe next year the fight can happen, he is not moving to 168 till he cleans out 160. His trainer also said that until GGG is on the same level as Ward at the negotiating table they are not talking about fighting him. I am looking forward to Ward fighting more than once this year.Posted January 22, 2014 10:46 am
I cant stand Ward.Posted January 22, 2014 10:27 am
Ward* is ducking GGG…Posted January 22, 2014 10:23 am
Ward if you wanna be fighter of the year then start fighting outside your home field as a real champ, and start to get some KO’es on you record, and stop fighting dirty. Peace out.Posted January 22, 2014 10:01 am
yeah agree. ggg first needs to fight boxers in his own division. he has not fought any top 10 boxers in the light middleweight and he’s overrated. try fighting martinez or quillin first. they will not ducked if the money is right. he is definitely not ready for ward as of the moment. carl froch can even beat ggg if he’s moving to super middleweight.Posted January 22, 2014 9:09 am
Ward called GGG out and GGG’s response was Ward’s a great fighter and that he was concentrating on his division. No one has been labeling GGG a Ward ducker for that. Assbox you need to get a grip, maybe get a brain transplant if possible.Posted January 22, 2014 8:53 am
I don’t remember Ward ducking GGG dimwit!Posted January 22, 2014 8:27 am
Assbox – making an ass of yourself as usual. Has GGG faught any world champion before nevermind the a top fighter in the business? STFUPosted January 22, 2014 8:27 am
look for soggy to duck the bestPosted January 22, 2014 6:45 am
Prove it!Posted January 22, 2014 6:30 am
GGG wins that fight. No excuse for these top guys not to fight the best in the world. Bet he ducks GGG like mayweather has PACPosted January 22, 2014 6:19 am
Ward beats Golovkin any time a day, easy money for Andre Ward taking care of that dude!Posted January 22, 2014 6:17 am
Andre Ward is a superb fighter. My #1 pound for pound boxer. Andre vs GGG would be a classic. Ward has a slight edge if this fight would push through.Posted January 22, 2014 6:11 am