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MJames

Groves is blocking the rematch by asking for silly sums of money. Is this how George will succeed in backing out of the rematch? Is that his tactic to avoid taking the rematch? Come on George, stop ducking Froch and make the rematch.

Posted January 28, 2014 8:14 am 


Rich

Groves can shout as loud as he likes,but the truth is the ref did him one huge favour….If the fight had continued it was odds on Froch would have stopped him proper …Now with this controversy George goes on for another shot straight away,and a major pay day….. buy the ref a drink.moaner

Posted January 27, 2014 2:28 pm 


scottyboy

People who accuse the ref of corruption or bias towards Froch ought to remember that he gave Froch no favours or extra time to recover after the kd in the first round. He literally wiped his gloves and sent them back into it once his 8 count had finished. Plenty of times we’ve seen protected champs that have been hurt and given every chance to recover by corrupt referees who will insist on needlessly giving warnings or ensuring the fighters are exactly in their corners etc before sending them back in. We saw none of that and there was definitely enough time left in the round for a stoppage.

Posted January 26, 2014 12:29 pm 


BEARS

very. objective tark

Posted January 26, 2014 3:38 am 


TARK

FA.., “I disagree Froch was about to finish Groves”

It seemed like he was going to finish him… But you don’t stop a fight on what seems to be happening… You wait for Groves to flag and then jump in immediately…. Foster pulled the plug early.

The first Castillo vs Corrales fight was stopped at the perfect time.

Roy Jones vs Denis Lebedev was stopped too late… Horrendous job by Steve Smoger. Another late stoppage was Ray Mercer vs Tommy Morrison. If a guys is out and getting smashed you jump in between them.

Calzaghe vs Mitchell was a total BS stoppage.. Way too early.. Another super early stoppage was Dariusz Michalczewski vs Montel Griffin. A joke.

Posted January 25, 2014 7:15 pm 


eric

Froch has been thru some war’s and is getting a bit older, however, groves, ward, taylor, dirrel are similar in styles.

Froch will always have trouble with that style and has to use his attribute s to there fullest capacity to eke out a win.

Carl has pulled it off in the past, even thou on paper he was suppose to lose, i wonder if his heart is 100% in the fight game at this point coz he will need it to beat groves if it’s a boxing match.

Posted January 25, 2014 5:30 pm 


Fight Aficionado

I disagree Froch was about to finish Groves, who was punching back at the time of the stoppage. The ref obv stopped it due to corruption when he saw Groves had schooled Froch much of the fight. We can presume what might have happened but none of us know. That’s why the rematch must happen.

Posted January 25, 2014 4:23 pm 


matthews

good

Posted January 25, 2014 3:54 pm 


TARK

It seemed like Froch was about to finish Groves because there was enough time left in the round.. But he hadn’t finished him yet.. Groves still had a chance to work his way out of trouble.

It’s a judgment call. Do you want to be super safe?

A safety first referee stops the fight when Froch got up from the first round knockdown—and staggered backwards to the ropes. Froch smiled like an ape because he didn’t want anyone to know how hurt he was. He has tons of experience in world level fights. He faked his way through the round. Groves should have finished Froch off but didn’t not follow up well. Groves has a quicker delivery on his jab and straight right than Froch but little experience against this level of fighter.

Groves was getting hit with too many punches. His defense is worse than Froch’s. His speed and power carried most of the rounds despite his lack of experience. Froch needed a KO … and was pursuing it full bore at the end.

If Groves fought taller by raising his stance, he would increase his range, accuracy, and improve his ability to slip and block punches. His head is forward. His face is 2 inches forward from where it should be. His feet are a 2 inches too wide. He leans his torso in too far and too often.

GG’s guard has to be more mobile and versatile. He can’t be throwing the same up-jabs with the same feints and movement all night. An experienced opponent will clue into his monotonous motions and beat the crap out of him.. It’s like Jermain Taylor.. Jermain never did anything different. After a few rounds a clever boxer would beat the tar out of him.

Posted January 25, 2014 3:53 pm 


Rich

I agree Froch was about to finish George….In the last bit before it was stopped Carl threw about about 8 unanswered punches,but only 3 or 4 landed and only 2 were clean….but they were enough..

Posted January 25, 2014 2:11 pm 


MJames

Froch was about to KO George. I think Froch will KO him without any confusion if they do the rematch. George is now the one blocking the rematch, because the word on the street is he’s asking for crazy money, I mean really crazy sums of money.

Posted January 25, 2014 12:25 pm 


Killing Moon The Soothsayer

LOL..C’mon.. Personally I saw Groves totally out of it and ready to go down..But he had Froch down and leading on the scorecards that alone should grant him the right to a rematch…Whether or not it should be Frochs next fight…Well I don’t know(Certainly beats a Chavez fight IMO)…But there is basis for a rematch.

Posted January 25, 2014 11:43 am 


Boxing Barlow

scottyboy – Im by no means the expert on this one but I think when its a mandatory defence there are no requirements to have a rematch clause and therefore if a rematch clause is in place for a mandatory fight it is only there as the promotor has agreed this with the fighter ie. offered them more favouravble terms than what they would have had without the clause.

Posted January 25, 2014 9:00 am 


scottyboy

Boxing Barlow…I stand corrected. I think that all the sanctioning bodies ensure their mandatory challengers receive 25% of the purse but an enforced rematch does not actually constitute a mandatory challenge so this rule doesn’t stand. At least this is how I see it. I think GG is guaranteed an 85/15 split though. The future options bit I’m not sure of but essentially the winning purse bidder will still present a fight contract to both parties so I don’t see why they couldn’t stipulate future options. Afterall, even mandatory opponents can have rematch clauses written into their fight contracts.

Posted January 25, 2014 8:20 am 


Boxing Barlow

bobbybobbyboo – if there was no need for a rematch the public wouldnt be demanding it so much. The whoel crowd did not boo Groves on the way in and Froch on the way out for no reason. Even if you do not agree the common consensus is that Groves had a raw deal and deserves a rematch.

Posted January 25, 2014 8:05 am 


bobbybobbyboo

no need for a rematch, groves was done, he gave froch every thing he had and it was not enough, he got saved by the ref, check out “a double mugging” on her, explains it all

Posted January 25, 2014 7:56 am 


Boxing Barlow

scottyboy – Apparently the 25% was what Hearn was offering. If it goes to purse bids he will only be entitled to 15% under the IBF ruling as they have now made it a mandatory defence. But I am led to beleive that a promotor can not demand future fight deal add ons when a fight is ordered by a governing body, it has to be agreed to.

Posted January 25, 2014 7:52 am 


scottyboy

Boxing Barlow…Rematch and/or future options are standard stipulations when fighting on a rival promoter’s show. As it happens it was smart to refuse the offer as he’s now guaranteed 25% of the purse, although if Matchroom win the purse bid then he’ll undoubtedly still find future options written into the fight contract.

Posted January 25, 2014 7:24 am 


scottyboy

‘The IBF decided the bout was controversial enough to merit an immediate rematch’…WTF, do people really believe that the IBF cares one iota about the controversy surrounding their first match or whether GG was unjustly treated? The IBF are first and foremost a corporation seeking profits. They care primarily about the large sanctioning fees and share of the PPV revenue that they can get from an already-hyped match up that is all over the boxing news and will appeal greatly to casual and hardcore boxing fans alike. There have been much worse stoppages than this one that mysteriously have not been ordered as an immediate rematch.

Posted January 25, 2014 7:11 am 


JOSE

All the pressure will now be on Groves for the rematch. Be careful what you wish for. You might just get it.

Posted January 25, 2014 6:58 am 


Boxing Barlow

Just heard a George Groves interiview where he explained some issues. Firstly the reason that he has turned down the 7 figure offer is not because of the payemnt for this fight but the fact that there are adds ons stipulating that he signs up with Hearn for 5 fights. Secondly he was suggesting that whilst a 7 figure offer may sound good (a million quid we presume), it doesnt sound good if the fight could generate a 8 figure purse. So basically Groves is thinking that the evntualy purse could go up to as much as 10 million quid. Now this is definately possible as the Fury Haye fight purse was 10 million. So why on earth would Groves at this stage settle for a Hearn offer of a million quid with awful add ons forcing him into a 5 fight deal? Now the IBF have ordered the rematch if Groves doesnt agree terms the fight will go out to bidding and if at that point it does go for any where near the 10 million mark, Groves would be entitled to his share but he would not be forced into any kind of long term contract with Hearn.

Posted January 25, 2014 6:29 am 


BEARS

im sorry. i meant groves was hurt multiple times and hurt when it was stopped

Posted January 25, 2014 4:12 am 


The Man

Groves was tired not hurt imo. He had become ragged and Froch was obviosuly thinking the fight was getting away from him so was throwing everything he had at Groves. The stoppage was way too early and I dont think Froch would have been able to knock Groves out without the help of the ref. I had Groves 9 – 1 rounds up going into the 9th.

Posted January 25, 2014 4:05 am 


BEARS

i dont concur with the view groves was cheated. i gotta watch the fight again bu main points are groves was hurt multiple times andfroch bombs started landing early. froch was noticeably hurt multiple times and hurt when it was stopped. his movement everything he looked like a hurt fighter. im gonna watch it again and im groves getting hurt i will find more detail in the tape if not i will say it. but i was calling the fight i seen groves hurt early by f-bombs he was in no way impervious to the f-bombs so if anyone is pretending groves was not vusibly hurt let him speak now!

Posted January 25, 2014 3:50 am 


TARK

Groves was in serious trouble… but you don’t stop a World Championship Fight when somebody is in serious trouble.. You wait until he’s beaten — because Froch was in serious trouble in the 1st round.

I would not have stopped the fight just then.. But there are referees who will stop it at that point—when you’ve taken a few hard ones and your legs appear to be going.. You’ve got to allow for a referee who might call a quick stoppage and not get into those situations.

I recall the Byron Mitchell-Joe Calzaghe 168 pound title fight.. Both fighters had been down.. Mitchell was not even seriously hurt and the referee stopped it.. Same with the Dariusz Michaelczewski-Montal Griffin fight.. Griffin was doing very well and was driven back by a punch. He wasn’t hurt but a horrible stoppage happened.

This wasn’t nearly that bad — but it was a little quick.

Posted January 25, 2014 3:43 am 


hookoffthejab

I would pay to see this … I would love to watch Chavez Junior get beating up by someone his own size “or smaller ” as well .

Posted January 25, 2014 3:36 am 


Farmboxer

Groves was cheated by an idiot referee who appeared to not know what he was doing, well………..he sure saved Froch. Froch is afraid of Groves. I used to have respect for Froch, but not any more. I think Froch will drop the title rather than fight Groves.

Posted January 25, 2014 3:02 am 


Jim watt

Commentating on the Froch v Groves fight,

youtube.com/watch?v=HkuBvL0rCSA

Posted January 25, 2014 2:12 am 


BEARS

it was a title fight so i understand groves complaints for sure. groves had a freat showing and raised his stock and did not ward say he would fight groves? what is groves not interested in ward?

Posted January 25, 2014 2:08 am 


Froch Groves

Groves is a cry baby, are you going to cry Carl Froch, no, and you found that out Groves and you cried after losing, you gave it the big one before the fight and after the fight you were the one who cried, simple as that.

Posted January 25, 2014 1:24 am 


Froch Groves

Groves was a headache, he beat him fair and square, how is Groves a headache for Froch now.

Posted January 25, 2014 1:20 am 


largo

Groves is in Froch’s mind as a headache & that’s always hard to deal with…so I don’t blame him if he wants Chavez; anyway, I think Groves will make lots of money, with or without Froch, because he has the right mental strength & attitude. He’ll be fine.

Posted January 25, 2014 1:10 am 


largo

Froch’s trying to divert attention from a fight he doesn’t fancy…Chavez Jr. won’t be a threat to him & he knows it but Groves gave’im issues he doesn’t want to deal with at this stage of his winding down career…bottom line. Groves is a real problem for Froch & he doesn’t like it…pretty normal stuff, if you think about it.

Posted January 25, 2014 12:45 am 


maxmus

i used to be a groves fan,but it looks like he’s turned into big spoilt cry baby.. why dont carl and george take a page out of mannys book and stage a fight for charity? just cut out all this pussyfotting around and give the fans wat they want?

Posted January 24, 2014 11:46 pm 


AD

Ward dropped his gumshield in the last round against Froch, he was tiring, Froch will be a better fighter next time, he was like that against Bute, just went for it, Ward as a Boxer is probably aware of that.

Posted January 24, 2014 11:21 pm 


AD

Groves got his fight and got stopped, simple as that, Groves was going to beat Froch, I will land these punches in the first, yada yada, then I will beat you,you gassed and got stopped against Froch and lost.

Posted January 24, 2014 11:14 pm 


largo

Groves is defiant, unafraid, tenacious & a good fighter; he was on Froch’s face showing him no fear & gave him a hell of a challenge. I get that Froch wants to put the most cash in his account as he can but he’s trying too hard-IMO-to dismiss a kid that gave him hell & he beat on a very questionable stoppage…I think that Groves deserves the fight & I also think that an aging Froch senses that this kid might have what it takes to beat him into retirement, hence his reluctance to take the fight.

Posted January 24, 2014 10:59 pm 


AD

Little Adrien Broner,

youtube.com/watch?v=RMxzzWp9tFg

Posted January 24, 2014 10:53 pm 


AD

Grandmaster Froch,

youtube.com/watch?v=gYMkEMCHtJ4

Posted January 24, 2014 10:39 pm 


AD

Say no go

Groves

youtube.com/watch?v=X3LtROwMAqk

Posted January 24, 2014 10:06 pm 


Auzbox

You were ok at sledging when you were winning but now your losing you can’t take it. Mitchell Johnson will break your arm if you stand infront of him

Posted January 24, 2014 9:51 pm 


AD

I will break your arms, that’s not cricket.

Posted January 24, 2014 9:31 pm 


Auzbox

Yeh against our b team haha we won the ashes and one day series in first three games your hopeless at cricket stick to drinking tea and scones son

Posted January 24, 2014 9:22 pm 


AD

Your captain Clarke, he is an idiot.

Posted January 24, 2014 9:19 pm 


AD

We won the last game, you are losers now, don’ worry.

Posted January 24, 2014 9:17 pm 


Auzbox

How many ashes games did you win? 0 we already won the one days we put our b team on. Score reads 8-1 LMAO

Posted January 24, 2014 9:14 pm 


AD

Bute fought Froch away, he had been fighting at home all the time, then thought no, I will fight away, always fighting at home in Montreal or where ever, but he chose to fight away to prove himself, he did not have to, but did.

Posted January 24, 2014 9:13 pm 


AD

Ward should fight away, it is different fighting away, get used to it, hotels, you get the Gideon bible.

Posted January 24, 2014 9:06 pm 


AD

Auzbox, you got done in the cricket, you lost, England.

Posted January 24, 2014 8:59 pm 


Op Amp

Te tumbo – yes, I can go with either fight. Jr doesn’t deserve it, but styles make fights, so it sounds good to me.

Posted January 24, 2014 8:56 pm 


Op Amp

Tark – “They get insulted if you miss a punch.” Scanned real quick but, if that’s what you said, lmao.

Posted January 24, 2014 8:52 pm 


AD

Ward will have to keep picking up is $1-2 million, he doesn’t want the big money fights and proe himself, it is the supersix I refer to, and he still will not fight away and $5 million- maybe $10 million.

Posted January 24, 2014 8:50 pm 


Auzbox

Froch loses rematch which is good Chavez to fight the winner

Posted January 24, 2014 8:49 pm 


TARK

Bears… The promoters are influencing them. They ordered the fight because it’s a big money maker for the promoters.

That’s why Groves is holding out for much more than a mear million something.

Posted January 24, 2014 8:49 pm 


TARK

AD… You’re knocked out right now. That’s some powerful crack your smoking.

Posted January 24, 2014 8:46 pm 


BEARS

tark- that last post was hillarious! what is old froch gonna do now!!?!? i cant believe the ibf is doing this. wonder who is influencing them?

Posted January 24, 2014 8:44 pm 


Tomato Can

Froch should go for the Jr fight, then rematch Groves. If the Chavez fight is a real possibility then that’ll be Froch’s biggest payday. He should take the money while he can. Groves will be fine with or without the rematch happening right away…

Posted January 24, 2014 8:44 pm 


Anonymous

Ward will fight away. Froch doesn’t want a bad beating in England. He’s the one who turned down the offer of Ward to fight in Nottingham.

Posted January 24, 2014 8:44 pm 


AD

You would get knocked out by the wind from a Paulie Malinaggii punch.

Posted January 24, 2014 8:41 pm 


TARK

I’ve been hit by a much harder punchers than these freaks without ever getting knocked down or buzzed… You would get knocked out by the wind from a misquito fart.

Posted January 24, 2014 8:35 pm 


AD

“They get insulted if you miss a punch” that is an insult from a poster who would get knocked by the wind from a missed punch from Froch and Groves.

Posted January 24, 2014 8:10 pm 


AD

Froch does not hate Groves, Groves does not hate Froch, they are fighters, they respected each other after fight, so do not bring the Ward, I will not fight away into it,.

Posted January 24, 2014 8:04 pm 


WHAT!?!

So the truth has come out and where are all the apologies to Froch? Froch did offer a rematch but Groves has turned it down. Where are the apologies? I stick by my statements that Groves will be dismissed from the ring earlier than the last fight in a rematch. He knows he threw everything at Froch and still couldn’t get the ‘W’, in his mind he now knows he cannot beat Froch and that Froch will keep coming at him all night. Groves is looking for a retirement payday because he knows Froch is too strong and will KO him hard next time because the ref won’t step in early to save him a 2nd time.

Posted January 24, 2014 8:03 pm 


TARK

Froch offered Groves twice as much as he made for getting knocked out in their first fight… That’s as much as Georgie boy deserves.

It made for an exciting, action fight because they both get hit with everything. They get insulted if you miss a punch. But it’s not going to be different than the first fight. Froch hates Groves guts and wants to extinguish him. Groves hates Froch too. Unfortunately he lacks the strength, power, and skill to do apply the finishing touches to the old man. He’ll leave that to Ward if Froch ever works up the courage to get back into a ring with the master of the division.

Posted January 24, 2014 7:52 pm 


Auzbox

Good froch shaking in his boots knows he getting another L on his record

Posted January 24, 2014 7:36 pm 


Martin

F uck off “Carl Froch” (poster below), and get a f ucking life.

Posted January 24, 2014 7:23 pm 


te tumbo

“Do my senses deceive me, or did a alphabet group just make a good move??” that’s the point. who really cares what any alphabet group mandates? every time they do they risk that a fighter more prominent than any collection of vowels convenes a press conference to be filmed tossing their “official” title into the crapper. at this point, it’s Froch’s call and nobody that matters would slap his hand whether he chose Groves or Chavez Jr. BOTH is optimal but either is acceptable.

Posted January 24, 2014 7:20 pm 


Carl Froch

I think I might pull a Mayweather and vacate the belt. Mayweather doesn’t want to fight Pacquiao and he shouldn’t have to. I don’t want to fight Groves, and I shouldn’t have to. I learned a lot from Mayweather, like throwing up a lot of road blocks to avoid a fight. That’s why he’s p4p #1

Posted January 24, 2014 7:17 pm 


Op Amp

Do my senses deceive me, or did a alphabet group just make a good move?? O wait, I know…. someone paid someone else to get this done, cuz there’s a lot of money in the rematch. Sorry, took me a sec.

Posted January 24, 2014 7:04 pm 


Goosey…

Calzaghe would have made Froch think he was in the ring with three fighters…

Posted January 24, 2014 7:03 pm 


Boxing barlow

Calzaghes name is being mentioned. I think Calzaghe could have absolutely ruined Froch! Froch was Taylor made for Calzaghe IMO. He was super fast and could have got at Froch similar if not better than Taylor and Groves did for the first halves of their fights, but the difference between Taylor Groves and Calzaghe was that Calzaghe’s conditioning was awsome and he would have never gassed out like they did.

Posted January 24, 2014 7:00 pm 


Boxing barlow

I’d guess that the biggest thing in the contract will be Hearn wanting to take over Groves’ promotional work if he wins.

Posted January 24, 2014 6:56 pm 


AD

I think the return fight will be easy for Froch, that bulid up with Groves, where he was annoying Froch, Froch got knocked down in the first round, that was probably Froch just warming up, he took the heavy shot, got back up, took some more shots, lost a few rounds, then around about the 7th round it was Frochs fight, Groves gassed, he had thrown everything at Froch, but Froch was still standing.

Posted January 24, 2014 6:40 pm 


paul

I thought Groves tried to be respectful. Its just Froch has this image of himself
as some kind of demi-God. Did he expect Groves to say “OH IM JUST HONOURED TO BE ALLOWED IN THE SAME RING AS THIS GREAT MAN”… The IBF ruling on purse split will change anyway. They will make him number one contender else whats the point of him winning that appeal. Hearn wants the fight to happen but is loyal to Froch. Super Carl will swerve it. There is no doubt. he will vacate rather than face a maximum of six rounds before Groves ends him

Posted January 24, 2014 6:34 pm 


Goosey…

Yup.. But Groves and Froch had a real good scrap.. So we have interest in a rematch….

Posted January 24, 2014 6:32 pm 


AD

Calzaghe would of won obviously, and it wasn’t a big fight, Froch had to get in the que, everyone has to get in line to fight Froch now.

Posted January 24, 2014 6:29 pm 


AD

Exactly, Froch had not done anything to get a Calzaghe fight then, he was just about known in the UK, that was never going to happen as there was no money in it and no interest who would of won then, Calzaghe was looking at the multi million pound fights back then.

Posted January 24, 2014 6:23 pm 


Goosey…

the disrespect from Groves that Froch got, was a lot like the the disrespect from Froch that Calzaghe got..

Posted January 24, 2014 6:20 pm 


Goosey…

Boxing barlow

“To be fair if I was froch I would have fought Chaves first for an easy pay day then come back to the UK to fight Groves for the big one.”

Yup… That would be the best way to go about it..

Posted January 24, 2014 6:14 pm 


Boxing barlow

To be fair if I was froch I would have fought Chaves first for an easy pay day then come back to the UK to fight Groves for the big one. As it turns out it seems the IBF have stepped in and he will have no choice.

Posted January 24, 2014 6:13 pm 


AD

Froch also holds the WBA title, so he could fight Chavez as they have been saying and earn the same or more he would get for the Groves fight anyway, it’s up to Groves, also Froch really doesn’t have to listen to Groves after the build up before the last fight and the disrespect from Groves, Froch won the fight, he took Groves best shots and Groves was tiring badly, it wasn’t really a bad stoppage if you watch the fight, Groves could of got knocked out completely and where would he be now, there would be no call for a return fight.

Posted January 24, 2014 6:09 pm 


Goosey…

Hearn said all that hours ago…..

Posted January 24, 2014 6:08 pm 


james

Hearn has just had confirmation from IBF’s lawyers that going by the IBF rules the split would be 85/15 as GG is not in the top 3 of the rankings and they have offered GG 25% with a minimum 7 figure guarantee so im not really sure he is getting well advised here tbh, If Froch vacates then GG will be lucky to get 6 figures fighting one of the contenders for the belt, whereas he already has an offer that could potentially give him millions depending on PPV sales, with a million guarantee.

Posted January 24, 2014 6:04 pm 


te tumbo

i’m of two minds regarding this situation. if Froch is one maybe two fights from retirement, he’s paid his dues and has earned the cred to disregard official titles and go for a final payday instead. on the other hand, even Chavez Jr. who is consistently dumped upon on these threads routinely redeems questionable “Ws”. the difference being that he’s in his presumed prime and his potential paydays are only limited by his continuing ring-success and desire. IMO, it’s Froch’s call. he owes it to Groves and boxing but he also owes it to him$elf.

Posted January 24, 2014 6:03 pm 


Goosey…

Stamford Bridge looks the best bet for this fight.. 41-000 capacity..

Posted January 24, 2014 5:59 pm 


paul

Groves turns down the first offer. Surprise surprise. None of us are aware
what other conditions would be added to the deal, rumour has it Hearn wants
to tie him to a 5 fight deal. Its no more than the first exchanges of a negotiation but Froch just HAD to insinuate Groves is running scared. There are only three
BIG fights out there for Froch. At LH.. Kovalev or Adonis (but he wont even consider stepping up) or Groves at SM. Chavez? What? Hearn is trying to say that fight will be a big money-spinner in the USA. All Chavez has done in his career is flatter to deceive. This fight wont happen. Froch has the biggest ego in boxing. He knows British boxing fans are now starting to smell a fraud and wont risk
losing to another British boxer.

Posted January 24, 2014 5:59 pm 


Boxing barlow

as I said the o2 is 20’000 capacity and this sold out in 11 minutes! So I wouldnt be suprised if they could do some real good numbers. Old Traffod or something would be good.

Posted January 24, 2014 5:56 pm 


Boxing barlow

This is all just posturing by poth camps. Hearn has made a derogitory offer to Groves knowing he would turn it down. Also this offer makes Froch look like he’s attempting to make the fight happen rather than avioding it. Groves on the other hand has lobbied the IBF and there decision has basically now a statment to Hearn that if he doesnt make the fight happen someoen else will. Hearn is not stupid and knows that there is mega money to be made out of this fight. they will alll sit down again and eventually iron out a dela that beneifts all involved IMO. I really cant see Froch vacating so the fight will happen one way or the other.

Posted January 24, 2014 5:55 pm 


Goosey…

AD

“The fight would probably d 40-000 at a smaller stadium, that is more realistic.” …. I agree that seems more realistic. But Hearn keeps going on about 80-000 at Wembley…Might be Hearn doing his job and selling a fight though..

Posted January 24, 2014 5:53 pm 


AD

Hatton fights were different, this fight would not draw an attendance like that.

Posted January 24, 2014 5:51 pm 


Boxing barlow

The o2 which the last fight was in sold out and the capacity is 20’000.

Posted January 24, 2014 5:49 pm 


Martin

“Froch could vacate the IBF title if Groves is demanding too much, then Groves fights someone for the title, what would he get, probably not £500-000.”

Exactly, so if that happens, I guess we’ll know who’s really ducking who. I think Groves better accept that 1 million — that is, if it’s still on the table (Hearn would be within his rights to withdraw it and just go with whatever the IBF say the purse split should be, given Groves’ refusal, and that he forced the issue by making a formal complaint to the IBF to be installed as Froch’s mandatory).

Posted January 24, 2014 5:49 pm 


AD

The fight would probably d 40-000 at a smaller stadium, that is more realistic.

Posted January 24, 2014 5:45 pm 


Goosey

Hatton got 55 thousand v Lazcano at Man city…

Posted January 24, 2014 5:43 pm 


Goosey

AD

You would not get 80-000 at a stadium, the fight is not that big. I bet they would…

Posted January 24, 2014 5:41 pm 


AD

Froch could vacate the IBF title if Groves is demanding too much, then Groves fights someone for the title, what would he get, probably not £500-000.

Posted January 24, 2014 5:36 pm 


Boxtradamus

Thats why most guys dont want the IBF title. They dont play around. They enforce their mandatories or strip you. There’s no buying your way out of it like you can with the other belts. I COMMEND the IBF. The realest sanctioning body left.

Posted January 24, 2014 5:34 pm 


Boxing barlow

Martin – Your right I dont know, am just guessing.

Posted January 24, 2014 5:31 pm 


Martin

I don’t know; neither do you. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

Posted January 24, 2014 5:30 pm 


Boxing barlow

Martin – I’m guessing Groves will have advisors and will know how the process works in terms of when a fight has been ordered by a govenerning body it originally goes to the promotor to negotiate and then to purse bids. If the offer was a good one he would have accepted. He must think there are other promotors who are willing to offer a bigger pay day.

Posted January 24, 2014 5:29 pm 


Boxing barlow

Although I do think if they could sell Hatton Vrs Lazcano at the Man City ground, and Calzaghe Vrs Manferdo at the millenium stadiumm with a decent undercard and the right promotion I can see why it wouldnt fill a stadium.

Posted January 24, 2014 5:26 pm 


Martin

Could it be that you don’t know what you’re talking about, Boxing Barlow? If AD is right that Froch ‘only’ got paid 1.5 million for the last fight, it seems quite generous to me that Groves gets 1 million for the rematch. He has no titles, no belts, and is ranked about 5 or 6 in the division.

If Groves is complaining that he’s “only” been offered 1 million, he can just f*** off. does he know how much (i.e. little) ordinary people earn?

Posted January 24, 2014 5:25 pm 


Boxing barlow

AD – re 80’000, Hearns words not mine.

Posted January 24, 2014 5:24 pm 


Boxing barlow

Marilyn13 – Hearn will get the chance to negotiate the purse with both fighters. If Groves does not agree it goes out to purse bids to allow other promotors the chance to put the fight on and offer the the fighters more than Hearn is offering. At the end of this process whoever offers the fighters the biggest purse wins the fight and the fighters are in theory bound to accept the offer. If Groves at this stage refuses the offer on the table he looses his ranking with the IBF.

Posted January 24, 2014 5:24 pm 


AD

You would not get 80-000 at a stadium, the fight is not that big.

Posted January 24, 2014 5:23 pm 


Boxing barlow

This fight would be worth more than double. Hearn is talking stadium stuff. I’d be expecting Froch to be earning 5 million and Groves half that. Lets not forget Haye Vrs Fury was a 10 million pound purse! If that fight was worth 10 mil a Froch Groves at Wembley stadium in front of 80’000 fans has got to be worth at least as much.

Posted January 24, 2014 5:21 pm 


Marilyn13

Making double what he made in the first fight isn’t insulting, it’s reasonable. The value doesn’t come from Groves, it comes from the referee who made the Froch’s win so contentious…. Maybe HE should get the extra on offer to Groves! Seriously though, how does the IBF play it if Groves keeps on rejecting the rematch offer?

Posted January 24, 2014 5:19 pm 


Martin

Groves was offered 25% and turned it down. Ironically, the IBF have now mandated the fight, but have suggested a 15%/85% split (all this according to Hearn).

I find that really funny. Better do what the IBF say, right George? ROFLMAO!

Posted January 24, 2014 5:19 pm 


AD

Froch made £1.5 million, Groves made £500-000 for the last fight, so if there was double the revenue for the return fight, Froch gets £3 million, Groves £1 million, Froch is still the champion as well and. the bigger draw.

Posted January 24, 2014 5:17 pm 


Boxing barlow

AD – Thats rubbish. A million pound for a fight that could be the biggest in british boxing history is a insult to Groves.

Posted January 24, 2014 5:12 pm 


AD

Groves has been offered £1 million for the Froch fight, why has he not accepted it, looks like he maybe purposely pricing himself out of the fight by asking for too much money.

Posted January 24, 2014 5:10 pm 


Bla

Frock will vacate

Posted January 24, 2014 5:05 pm 



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