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Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allen Poe

Dan Rafael:

‘Golovkin hasn’t heard the final bell since an eight-round decision win over Amar Amari in 2008. That means he has knocked out all 10 challengers he has faced in his title defenses.

There’s a reason he is must-see TV, even if HBO blew it on this fight and did not work out a deal to show the fighter WHO IS UNDER CONTRACT TO THE NETWORK and has become one of it’s cornerstone fighters (and best ratings draws).

ROFL @ LMFAO Try again, son.

Posted February 13, 2014 12:31 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allen Poe

Gabe Montoya: ”Does Golovkin have any lateral movement? Is he strictly an HBO fighter?”

Steve Kim: ”Yes. He is. I don’t think there’s any other way to say it. He is an HBO fighter. They have absolutely made him a pillar. He’s just like the Game of Thrones. He’s just like Girls. Or he’s just like True Detective. He will only be seen on HBO and the bottom line is HBO made it very clear to me, two things. What happened this weekend (the Adama fight not being shown on HBO) will no happen regardless of where he fights. When he fights it will be televised by HBO they just have top find a bigger venue this time around. And second of all, anytime he fights it will be exclusively on HBO. And that is a fact of life that they are dealing with each other.

ROFL Compulsive liar PEEJ knows better than Triple Golovkin’s manager and Steve Kim.

Posted February 13, 2014 12:25 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allen Poe

He has a stipulation in his CONTRACT WITH HBO that he can fight abroad once a year. Hence why he fought Ishida and Adama in Monaco. I I explained this to you already. The only reason HBO didn’t broadcast his last fight was because of logistical problems. All his fights, regardless which country they’re staged, are going to be on HBO from now on providing it’s possible to do so.

Triple Golovkin’s manager yesterday

Managing Director of K2 Promotions Tom Loeffler, who handles Golovkin, had this to say on the matter, via Boxing Scene’s Jake Donovan:

“It’s well known that Gennady Golovkin – when he fights in the United States – is under exclusive contract with HBO. Lara is with Golden Boy and fights on Showtime. So while he is a great fighter for whom we have a tremendous amount of respect, the bottom line is that HBO is our biggest strategic partner and it’s up to his promoter to get him accepted by HBO.

“The strange thing is that his name really never came up. His insistence took us by surprise. It’s not that Gennady doesn’t want to fight him – he’ll fight anyone and continues to prove that. But we were looking at fighters who we know can and will fight on HBO.”

Posted February 13, 2014 12:22 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allen Poe

PEEJ no one takes you seriously. You have been proven time and time again to be completely clueless and a compulsive liar and here you are doing it again.

You’re the one who makes false claims and never backs them up.. then I come along and expose you for the inept, lying simpleton you are by destroying your lies with hard proof and evidence every single time. No amount of bare-faced lying and revisionism is going to change that. You get about as thoroughly exposed and humiliated as is humanly possible, all you lies exposed and debunked, and then a few days later you’re back on here posting the same debunked lies and crap like nothing ever happened. ROFL.

I don’t refuse to post anything you liar. You’re going to have to come a lot better than that little boy. I’m way to intelligent for that. ROFL. I post the relevant parts of the articles you thick c*nt. The parts that pertain to the subject being discussed. You however never post anything to back up your spurious claims.

Triple Golovkin is a HBO fighter. He has a contact with them. Fact. All his fights will only be broadcast IN THE US on HBO from now on. Comprende? If he doesn’t have a contract with prove it. Let’s see some written proof or video footage from you stating that he does not have a contract with them? We both know you’re not going to be able to do that? ROFL.

Posted February 13, 2014 12:14 pm 


PEEJ

You post snips of articles to try and prove your point but refuse to post the whole situation. Just like you state that GGG is contracted to HBO yet he is not. Steve Kim stated he is a HBO staple but only because of the relationship, he is not contracted to HBO. But like I said you only posted one little piece of them talking about it. Just so you can support your lame arguments. Weak

Posted February 13, 2014 11:10 am 


PEEJ

Gonzo your just an idiot. Yeah what you say is funny but most times has nothing to do with boxing. Then you want to post ridiculous novels on here that nobody really reads because they are to long.

Posted February 13, 2014 11:09 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allen Poe

Edit>If the fighter wins every round but the corrupt judges score the fight against them, it isn’t a robbery

Posted February 12, 2014 5:05 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allen Poe

”As far as the dirty tactics are concerned, if the ref doesn’t call it then it isn’t dirty”

Einstein has entered the building. Of course it’s not going to help if said dirty fighters almost always have American referees officiating their fights who’ve been sweetened up to conveniently turn a blind eye to their flagrant and excessive use of dirty illegal tactics. ROFL.

If the fighter loses every round but the corrupt judges score the fight against them it isn’t a robbery. LMFAO. This gaping horse’s vagina has the IQ of a retarded squid and the cognitive faculties of a pair of orangutan bollocks.. ROFL

Posted February 12, 2014 5:04 pm 


lol

thought that was malcom x.

Posted February 12, 2014 3:54 pm 


choky

good article – agree 100 pct

Posted February 12, 2014 1:45 pm 


PEEJ

You may be right but what dirty tactics have you really seen that are way out of control?

Posted February 12, 2014 12:26 pm 


te tumbo

WARz, I respect your magnanimous and unequivocal response. however, I once again assert that Marquez and Marquez’s sense of mession aLone was responsible for every matchup v. Pacquiao* following the first. moreover, Team Pacquiao* was very transparent with their belief before every matchup after their first that Marquez was (finally) too “old”, “slow”, and “small” enough for Pacquiao* to “answer all the questions and remove all doubt”. essentially co-opting the driving force behind Marquez’s mission all along, which was fine. it still resulted in the “desired result” that Marquez had diligently prepared and sacrificed for during the 8 years that Pacquiao* desperately attempted to avoid him. the ONLY reason he’s “demanding” another bout today is that Pacquiao* can’t reconcile himself with the fact that he’s not better than Marquez. in fact, Marquez is Greater and he proved it with a rivalry-ending KO. at this point, Pacquiao* is Marquez’s history.

Posted February 12, 2014 11:40 am 


PEEJ

Gonzo comments dude, not novels. You think you would eventually learn that.

Posted February 12, 2014 10:32 am 


PEEJ

Dirty tactics are apart of boxing. If you don’t like it then stop watching. Every fighter has done dirty tactics. With out some of those tactics we would of had the Great Ali, Duran, Marciano and that is just 3. There are many many more. Just like hard fouls are apart of basketball, hard hits are apart of football. Dirty tactics are not what get fighters killed either. Never seen anybody get killed by getting hit on the hips or legs. Heck Tito would of had the career he had if it wasn’t for his dirty tactics of hitting below the belt when the tide turned against him.

Posted February 12, 2014 10:32 am 


Anonymous

very simple. they talk to much.

Posted February 12, 2014 8:42 am 


WarZ

Let’s not argue with score card. Marquez is better than Pacquiao and Marquez won all 4 fights. That’s fine with me. The willingness to fight a very difficult fight over and over again to prove himself is a testament of Pacquiao’s greatness. Do you think Mayweather will do this? NEVER. He will win it by talking just like Te tumbo.

Posted February 12, 2014 7:36 am 


Country Whores Lead Me Home

Until Mayweather and Pacquiao fight each other, neither will have a legacy!! It’s EVIL!!

Posted February 12, 2014 4:12 am 


te tumbo

WarZ, Marquez was the champion when he fought Manny* the first time. Marquez had to settle for a Draw because the timid ref neglected to penalize Pacquiao* a point for hitting Marquez while he was down. in any case, if Pacquiao* won four rounds of their first bout, the score would have been 113-112 for Marquez inCLUDing a 10-6 first round across-the-board in favor of Pacquiao*. that score is without any even rounds, point deductions, or 10-8 rounds, which means that Manny* would have to win five rounds to edge Marquez by one point or KD Marquez once again which didn’t happen. I challenge You to identify the five rounds you scored for Pacquiao* in I? do the basic arithmetic and post your response. it’s a simple question so don’t feel compelled to LIE. the fight was videotaped. i can check out any one of the five rounds you score for Pacquiao*.

Posted February 12, 2014 2:48 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allen Poe

Brother Bears.. Gonzo like the super mutant line too.

750,000 ESB ranking points and the Egyptian feather vulture duvet and matching pillows for you too.

PS

ROFL @ PEEJ getting absolutely raped yet again.

Posted February 11, 2014 11:12 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allen Poe

Updated

Joseph Herron

LOL…I see the self proclaimed “Raven” (Gonzo) is spanking everyone on this site once again…LOL

Posted February 11, 2014 1:28 am

spartacus65

Goodevening. Gonzo the dragon born/ Edgar Allen Poe, sir I have to say you are one gutsy bloke. Your posts are definitely like how should I say? A virtual whirlwind of creativity! Like watching a cross between Pacquiao and Aaron Pryor. There is a method to the madness there for certain. Must admit I do enjoy them if for nothing more than the humor laced with some thought provoking view points. Peace and strength and a hearty cheers to you soldier. A shout out to you as well Mr. Bears. Cheers

Posted February 11, 2014 12:55 am

BEARS

everyone know your number one gonzo i dont think any sane mind disputes that fact.

Posted February 10, 2014 10:21 pm

BEARS

WOW!!! what a post GONZO!!! well said!!! well said!!! look out gonzo can wow a dude with his posts. hands down best post on this thread! THIS GUY gonzo is not number for no reason son.

Posted February 10, 2014 10:08 pm

BEARS

gonzo! thats my guy right there! number one poster on east side. better hope he forgives your boxing knowledge sins

Posted September 3, 2013 8:30 pm

Joseph Herron

Vivic’s vernacular, Gonzo’s gags, and old Yank’s yarns are part of what makes ESB the great boxing site going.

Posted August 31, 2013 2:12 pm

It’s Me, Ernie

Another fine example why Brother Gonzo is at Tier One…

Posted September 2, 2013 12:26 pm

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Brother Gonzo. With that uniquely creative imagination and those wordsmithing skills you could write dark, macabre, action-adventure/horror-thrillers for a living. You could be the next Edgar Allen Poe and not even realize it.
– Posted August 21, 2013 3:34 pm

Turbo-H@mster

You have made a mistake now boy.

You don`t have to worry about who Gonzo is, you need to worry about what he is. He is a force of n@ture. He has f-c-u-k-d a hurric@ne. When he was born, even his d@ddy called him d@ddy.

Imagine if you will a Tsun@mi, but rather than being made of water, it is comprised of pure Ande@n Cond0r mixed with l@shings of Clint E@stwood circa 1964, Fistful of Doll@rs er@.

Now imagine that Tsun@mi g@thering it`s force up on Tier one, which I can tell you extends upwards of 22,000 feet, and is a place where ordin@ry humans would require Oxygen m@sks, so as I say imagine it g@thering it`s force, growing and growing, lightening flicker!ng, the smell of ozone in the air and word-pairings, and syll@bals clash together.
Then there is a creak as the Golden doors of tier one are pulled open by Tera P@trick and Scarlett Joh@nnson wearing nothing but smiles, and a hungry look for e@ch other.

You have a moments silence where you have the ins@ne hope that nothing will happen.

But then, suddenly there it is.

A million cubic tons of Vulture E@stwood Dragonborn fury pouring from the sky, slicing it`s way towards your very soul.

At the tip of this Tsnum@i you`ll see a sneer!ng pair of lips form, which as they grow closer draw back to reveal a set of kn@shers intent on dam@ge.

Realising your error you back away, head twisting, seek!ng an esc@pe.

You tr!p and fall onto your back and cover your eyes.

But this can do nothing to stop the be@st you have unleashed from settling it`s jaws upon your most pr!zed possess!ons and r!pping them out root and stem with a crunching twist.

That my friend is Gonzo.

If you feel this is an ex@ggeration then b@re this in mind. Do you know Keyzer Soze? Of course you do, everyone has heard of him. What most people do not know however is that Keyzer once borrowed Gonzo’s Ferr@ri 250 GT, and returned it without filling the t@nk.

This is why Gonzo now possesses a mousem@t made from Keyzers scr-0-tum.

Posted February 11, 2014 11:09 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allen Poe

Brother Joseph.. Khan does have ridiculously fast hands. Easily some of the fastest in the sport. That will make the fight interesting for as long as it lasts. If Khan managed to pull it off it would be absolutely hysterical beyond words. The Flomos would all top themselves. ROFL.

Posted February 11, 2014 11:02 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allen Poe

I still strongly favour Triple Golovkin to win by KO though.

Posted February 11, 2014 10:59 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allen Poe

My biggest concern with that fight would be Lara’s speed and movement. Triple Golovkin hits too hard for his own good. What I mean by that is he hits so hard that he mostly has to spar bigger, slower fighters much of the time. This could work against him when it comes to fighting smaller fast opponents like a Lara. And I very much doubt Lara wouldn’t be getting on his bicycle and stinking out the joint against after tasting King Daddy G’s power.

Posted February 11, 2014 10:58 pm 


WarZ

Marquez was the champion when he fought Manny the first time. Marquez got a draw because one of the 3 judges was ignorant.He did know that a 3 knockdowns score should be 10-7 for Pacquiao. Manny wants a rematch Marquez run away. Karma caught him when he fought Chris John. On the rematch, Manny win a split decision. Marquez whine like Te tumbo so Manny give him a 3rd fight. Manny wins again. And now it’s a majority decision and Marquez whine again like Te tumbo. So Manny give him another chance. This time Marquez won by knockout because Marquez is better than Pacquiao. Manny ask for a rematch this time. Marquez run away. Karma caught him again when he lost to Bradley. This is one testament of Pacquiao’s greatness. The willingness to fight a very difficult fight over and over again to prove himself. Do you think Mayweather will do this? NEVER.

PS: Mayweather had difficult fight against Oscar but he never gave Oscar a rematch. Take note that this fight ranks # 1 in PPV that means a lot money on the rematch with Floyd dictating the purse because he beats Oscar he is the man now. Did Mayweather take a chance? NO. Say something Te tumbo. ” when a man is outwitted on reasoning they will sort to name calling”.

Posted February 11, 2014 10:53 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allen Poe

Brother Bears.. Gonzo feels that a Lara vs Triple Golovkin bout would be an intriguing clash of styles and a competitive fight for as long as it lasted. Lara is a very talented fighter and his speed, movement and boxing ability would pose King Daddy G problems and win him rounds. He has a very good trainer and he can bang a bit too. However, he’s never been hit by anyone who can bang like King Daddy G and contrary to what many will try and have you believe, King Daddy G is a lot more skilful than it might first appear. He’s got an iron jaw, can take you out with a variety of different punches from either hand, and he’s extremely god at cutting off the ring and applying great physical and indeed psychological pressure. He will catch up to Lara and get him out there at some point. Angulo gave Lara all he could handle, a lot of people felt Molina beat him, Vanes gave him a decent tussle. King Daddy G is on a different level to them all together.

Posted February 11, 2014 10:51 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allen Poe

Absolutely outstanding high end Tier 2 posting by Brothers Spartacus and Joseph! I’m almost in tears here at reading both your tributes to me. Thank you for your kind words comrades. Gonzo sincerely too enjoys reading your posts and indeed listening to Brother Joseph’s radio show religiously every week.

Gonzo has awarded 750,000 ESB ranking points to each of you for generosity and a pair of Egyptian vulture feathered matching duvet and pillow sets are making their way to you via the mail as we speak.

Posted February 11, 2014 10:41 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allen Poe

Lol Brother Ray Ray..

Yes, that Tanya Roberts was stunning in her prime.

There are so many Tier 1 Bond girls that you could literally insane trying to rank them in terms of beauty. It’s like trying to ponder the size of the universe or the greatness of Gonzo. lol. It’s just pointless.

Off the top of my head these are four of my favourites though. Three of them are from more recent Bond films but there’s loads of stunners from all the older ones too that I haven’t included, forgotten about or haven’t seen before or haven’t seen in too many moons ago to remember. Even taking the classic Bond girls like Ursula Andrews, Diana Rigg, Honor Blackman, Brit Eklund, Barbara Bach and Tanya Roberts and the rest. into consideration, those four would still rank extremely high on my list.

Eva Green
Olga Kurylenko
Famke Janssen
Jane Seymour

Posted February 11, 2014 10:31 pm 


WarZ

Oh so you are Marquez fan now Te tumbo ? Cannot argue on my comments about Mayweather anymore? Marquez and Mayweather are better than Pacquiao I’m ok with that! Get your boy to fight!

Posted February 11, 2014 10:29 pm 


te tumbo

“Because both fighters’ fans has different opinion and the only to shut up one group is for them to fight”. Marquez planted “Napman” butts-up and face-first into the ring-canvas after dropping him in the 3rd round. why can’t Pacquiao’s* fanboys simply admit that Marquez is greater and STFU? . . . like WarZ recommends?

Posted February 11, 2014 8:01 pm 


WarZ

Perfectly said Octavio? That’s how it is. It will remain as an argument. Because both fighters’ fans has different opinion and the only to shut up one group is for them to fight. Forget for a moment about the past negotiation. Let’s talk about now. Manny wants to fight him but he gives the Arum excuse and that he doesn’t want to help Pacquiao in his financial woes. Octavio, PEEJ and the rest of you Floyd fans do you buy these reasons? What does that got to do with establishing your legacy? You just hope and pray, just like Mayweather ,that Manny will lose to Bradley again.

Posted February 11, 2014 6:58 pm 


Fraud May

PEEJ
And as far as the dirty tactics are concerned, if the ref doesn’t call it then it isn’t dirty. Who have I condemned with using dirty tactics? Give me a fighter and tell me what I said.
__________________________________________________________________
I hope you never ref a boxing fight EVER because with that thinking someone would get killed in the ring.

Posted February 11, 2014 6:44 pm 


Fraud May

WarZ-
“Even with these two guys Mayweather may have hard time putting himself up. When Joe Calzaghe fought Jeff Lacy almost all boxing experts thought that Calzaghe will be knocked out. Joe Calzaghe destroyed Jeff Lacey’s career.”
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VERY GOOD POST

Posted February 11, 2014 6:42 pm 


WarZ

There are only two fighters who retired undefeated, Rocky Marciano, and Joe Calzaghe. Even with these two guys Mayweather may have hard time putting himself up. When Joe Calzaghe fought Jeff Lacy almost all boxing experts thought that Calzaghe will be knocked out. Joe Calzaghe destroyed Jeff Lacey’s career. JC was the underdog when he fought undefeated Mikkel Kessler. He beats Kessler convincingly. JC fought two of the most decorated American boxers in Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins. Both Hopkins and Jones knock Calzaghe down in the early rounds and most of us thought that the fight was over. But Calzaghe step 2 levels higher and beat them both. And then you’ll say both Hopkins and Jones are past their prime. Yes you can make that case with Roy Jones. But how about Hopkins? Hopkins is still in the top 10 p/p fighter in the world. Beating younger guys like T Cloud and Jean Pascal. I’m not saying Floyd is inferior to these guys but how can he be above them since all three of them are undefeated?

Posted February 11, 2014 6:41 pm 


PEEJ

Dude I am also white. You are an idot bro.

Posted February 11, 2014 4:44 pm 


PEEJ

And actually what is says in the record book isn’t irrelevant. It is what the record reflects. So basically are you saying that Pac should have lost all the times to Marquez? There are a number of people that think Pac should be 0 and 4 against Marquez. Should we go ahead and ignore the draw and the wins?

Posted February 11, 2014 4:44 pm 


PEEJ

And as far as the dirty tactics are concerned, if the ref doesn’t call it then it isn’t dirty. Who have I condemned with using dirty tactics? Give me a fighter and tell me what I said.

Posted February 11, 2014 4:41 pm 


Hec Dog

Gentlemen, please don’t be in denial about how secure and happy Floyd Mayweather is. The man is craving attention, and has always been jealous and envious of Manny Pacquiao. Floyd gets much more criticism for avoiding top fighters throughout his career, and now it looks like he is going to fight Amir Khan. See the websites, Floyd has lost more respect an credibility from not just fans, but his own peers. Tyson, Chavez, Duran, Holmes, Hearns, Hagler and other great current and former champions have made their feeling known. He is trying to become fan friendly by taking the desperate angle of calling on fans to vote for his next fight. Come on people, everyone knows what the boxing world wants to see. Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather albeit 5 year too late. Floyd has become a joke. No one will remember him once he retires, which hopefully will be soon. He will never be a Manny Pacquiao. Floyd fans need not be in denial. He has failed as a boxer, but more importantly as a human being. I was at a basketball game recently, and he was announced. The boos came from everywhere. The cameras focused on him, and his expressions were sad. He was embarrassed, and I actually felt bad for him. I do sincerely hope he stays happy outside of the ring once he retires. There is no one to blame but himself. If Floyd could achieve his dream of Being not like Mike, but being Like Manny.

Posted February 11, 2014 4:38 pm 


Teepee

We know who is going to this fight between PAC and Bradley he’ll PAC already won the first fight so why is this even happing is to make PAC look good and have a lil lean way for Floyd fight if PAC leave arum which he should

Posted February 11, 2014 4:14 pm 


Toke on this

8, 15, 23.. 3, 1, 14.. 21.. 14, 15, 20.. 11, 14, 15, 23

Posted February 11, 2014 4:04 pm 


Teepee

I lm a fan of Floyd but stop with the bs and say who ur fighting

Posted February 11, 2014 4:03 pm 


Toke on this

Run back into my cave? BWAHAHA! Just because you have no life outside of the internet doesn’t mean everyone else does. I just went to grab a bite to eat with a lady friend if you must know. Don’t be jealous nothing has happened yet. Not for long if I have my wicked way mind.

Posted February 11, 2014 4:00 pm 


Toke on this

What is says in the record book is irrelevant. Pacman beat Bradley by a wide margin in all but the officials eyes, Marquez vs Pacman was a razor close fight that divided opinion fairly equally down the fence.

Posted February 11, 2014 3:54 pm 


Floyds cute Mama Jekins !

Floyd : Mum’s i’m afraid of Manny

Floyds Mama : Honey you retired to avoid Pacci then you came back hoping he would be beat by then

Floyd: but Mum’s I did everything to avoid him and made every excuse

Floyd Mama : You have to man up sometime in your life lil Floyd. You have made the PEDS excuse, the Arum excuse, the money excuse you’ve run out of excuses honey

Floyd : Mummy should I retire in 2015 ?

Floyds Mama: You can retire but you will never be considered great until you fight Pacci

Floyd : sniffles

Posted February 11, 2014 3:46 pm 


Teepee

Hec I heard of being a fan but u taking it to far. Why would Floyd be jealous of PAC Floyd has more $$ never been koed (like PAC ) Floyd don’t have any losses PAC has 5 Floyd has everybody wanting to fight him PAC don’t really have nobody but the same old in house fights so stop talking out the side of ur neck

Posted February 11, 2014 3:32 pm 


Poor Pacturds

“Pacquiao, I think he should take that fight with my son and delete Bob Arum out of the situation and go for what he can go for, do the best he can do because right now he ain’t doing very good,” Mayweather Sr. recently said on the On The Ropes boxing radio show.

And while this seems to be an absurdly over the line demand on the part of Mayweather, at least some people on Team Pacquiao are willing to entertain the idea.

“If that is Floyd’s condition and if Manny agrees – and it looks like Manny will agree to fight Floyd – the only way is not to renew his contract with Bob Arum’s Top Rank,” Pacquiao’s attorney Franklin Gacal told Edwin Espejo of Asian Correspondent last month. “Manny should be a freelancer for the fight to happen.”

In terms of “how real is this demand,” one could point out the case of former Arum client Miguel Cotto and the long-lasting accusation that Mayweather was ducking the deadly Puerto Rican battler. All of the ducking talk ended when Mayweather signed to face Cotto just weeks after Cotto left Arum’s promotional company, Top Rank.

Whatever the case, the long-brewing Arum-Mayweather feud seems to now be the major obstacle in making the biggest bout in boxing. Pacquiao will have the chance to call Mayweather’s bluff early next year. Will he take that opportunity or will he hold firm on his own professional pride? The answer will likely determine whether we’ll ever see this generation’s two biggest stars in the same ring.

Posted February 11, 2014 3:07 pm 


PEEJ

Floyd doesn’t feel any envy or jealousy of Pac. Floyd is on top of the boxing world. Pac is trying to regain that appeal. That is ridiculous.

Posted February 11, 2014 2:51 pm 


PEEJ

Still waiting????? Did you run back into your little cave????

Posted February 11, 2014 2:29 pm 


PEEJ

So explain my racially motivated double standard then please and I will engage you about my racism. Well there are people out there that actually did score the fight for Bradley. Granted they are few but there are some out there. And I ask you what do the record books say about the Bradley vs Pac fight?

Posted February 11, 2014 2:08 pm 


PEEJ

Actually he fought a Mosley coming off a Margacheato win. Williams didn’t bring in much money, couldn’t stay at in 1 weight class oh and lost against the Puerto Rican dude. Arum didn’t want Cotto close to Floyd. Margacheato also lost to Williams when he was the so called most feared fighter. Then Williams took that name until of course he was out boxed for 12 rounds against the Puerto Rican dude.

Posted February 11, 2014 1:42 pm 


Floyd Money Mayweather

I carefully selected my opponents. You know for damn sure I wasn’t going to fight a prime Cotto, Margarito, or Paul Williams. I fought a Mosley coming off a long layoff. So my success is about cherrypicking not actually fighting the toughest opposition.

Posted February 11, 2014 1:39 pm 


PEEJ

On another note, check out Floyds last 10 or 15 opponents and tell me how many of them where ranked in the top 10 and how many where ranked in the mythical P4P rankings. Do your homework son.

Posted February 11, 2014 1:32 pm 


Anonymous

Just like Tark says “ducking has been going on forever” so has fans forgetting about fighter’s legacies after they retire,,,,both are on their way out and promoting fights is the only way they will be associated with boxing…..boxing will go on as always and fighters will fade away as they always do, only to be remembered as not being as good as they seemed to be during their heyday…..

Posted February 11, 2014 1:12 pm 


Anonymous

same sh#t. another day.

Posted February 11, 2014 1:11 pm 


srminimo

Joseph Herron- Virgil told you Khan would surprise the world because he has to at this point, but when the Alexander fight first fell through he was asked about it and he was dead against Khan fighting Floyd. In fact he said (and I paraphrase) Khan would be in for a rude awakening.
I do agree that Khan will surprise a lot of people for a bit. I see this fight working out sort of how the De la Hoya-Hopkins fight, where De la Hoya had some success in the beginning and sort of surprised BHop, but then got run over.

Still, I will not pay for this fight. And that’s a first in a very long time.

Posted February 11, 2014 1:07 pm 


PEEJ

Funny, you won’t be considered great unless you beat a fighter that is 1 and 2 in his last 3 fights. lol. Thats funny.

Posted February 11, 2014 12:39 pm 


Floyd’s Mama 2

Floyd : Mum’s i’m afraid of Manny

Floyds Mama : Honey you retired to avoid Pacci then you came back hoping he would be beat by then

Floyd: but Mum’s I did everything to avoid him and made every excuse

Floyd Mama : You have to man up sometime in your life lil Floyd. You have made the PEDS excuse, the Arum excuse, the money excuse you’ve run out of excuses honey

Floyd : Mummy should I retire in 2015 ?

Floyds Mama: You can retire but you will never be considered great until you fight Pacci

Posted February 11, 2014 12:28 pm 


PEEJ

A boxer talking trash will not tarnish his legacy. Floyds legacy is set just like Pacs legacy is set. Nothing will change that.

Posted February 11, 2014 12:17 pm 


Poop Pacturds

Its funny how people try to tie Mannys career to Floyds, They both beat Oscar, Mosley, Hatton and Cotto and Marquez.. But as soon as Floyd beats these guys he is cherry picking or ducking? LOL Manny got KTFO by Marquez but then Floyd beat him the same Tards said he was too small but isnt Marquez the same size as Manny who they want him to fight? Manny along with Arum turned down the fight on 09 and 40 million. And they said Floyd knew Manny would refuse the fight? I know he is good but I dont think we can read minds lol. And when Manny walked away Floyd is ducking poor pacturds. Two things will happen when its all said and done Floyd will most likely retire undefeated and go to the boxing hall of fame very rich and Manny will have to fight 10 more times and still wind up broke and most likely damaged from all those years of punishment the goal is to go out with all your faculties in order not like Ali and Evander that can barely talk..

Posted February 11, 2014 11:44 am 


Boxer

Like I always say I’m a mayweather fan but I speak the truth! And the truth is you can’t say pacmans legacy is going to hurt caus he chooses not talk trash he’s fought everybody and anybody and you can’t take that from him, on the other side my man money may will be remembers for his greatness! BUT he will also be rememberd for having the ball on his court but still not always fighting the best out there!

Posted February 11, 2014 11:31 am 


I love Floyd’s Mama

Floyd’s Mama brings up good points. She knows how to schuul Little Floldy the ducker of boxing. All cherry pickings for Floyd Maynever.

Posted February 11, 2014 10:14 am 


Anonymous

Oh shut up, shut up, SHUT UP!!!. What is it with you people? Do you just get up in the morning and think “I’ve had a new thought about two boxers who’ve fought a combined four times in the last year, I’d better write an article about it”?
If you were writing about football would you spend the entire season writing about last years superbowl, who might play in next years superbowl and how those teams would rank against other superbowl champions of bygone eras? You’re boring, these articles are boring and because of them, this site is becoming boring. Please stop it.
Here is some reality: Manny Pacquiao is no longer the best fighter in the world. Floyd Mayweather is no longer the best fighter in the world in any meaningful way because his plan to retirement is mapped out and it won’t include any rising stars so effectively you’ve already seen him at hios best and against his best opponents. Will they fight each other? Perhaps, but not for any meaningful reason, they’re both past their primes.
Do you see now why these articlews are a waste of everyone’s time. There are great fights being made every month; watch them, write about them and stop writing this crap.

Posted February 11, 2014 6:52 am 


Martin “El Bruchador” Honorio

This is a masterpiece article! Truly masterpiece! I cannot say enough!

Posted February 11, 2014 6:37 am 


Hecdog

Auzbox-I’m not sharing, manny is all mine.

Posted February 11, 2014 6:10 am 


Auzbox

Myself and hecdog could take turns tossing Mannys salad?

Posted February 11, 2014 6:09 am 


Auzbox

Hell yes Mannys mom, that would b delightful. Manny could be the little spoon in the middle.

Posted February 11, 2014 6:08 am 


Manny’s momma

Hecdog and Auzbox I have room for you as well. U can sleep next to manny after Juni leaves him. One happy family of losers.

Posted February 11, 2014 6:06 am 


Manny’s momma

How come its only diluted fans of my little drug cheat on here that are the ones that make excuse after excuse for little Manny. Mayweather is a far superior boxer than my little lady boy. Quicker, better jab, better straight cross, way way way better defensively, a crap load more stamina, and more ring smart by about 99% 2 1%. Not to mention way better foot work. Don’t worry about my little manny he will b back with me soon after he’s career is over sooner rather than later. I’ll still have a roof for him at my place when he’s busted and broke. Floyd would beat my boys face off just as easy as Alvarez. 10-2 at best, if my son doesn’t walk in2 a right hand.

Posted February 11, 2014 5:59 am 


Hecdog

Manny Pacquiao’s legacy was cemented a long time ago. He will never be questioned in any way, shape or form as a truly great fighter. He avoided no one, fought every one and is the ONLY 8 Division Boxing Champion in boxing history. Manny Pacquiao’s picture should be right next to the definition of a fighter. His wars are historic and monumental. There has never been a more exciting fighter in boxing. He has called out Floyd Mayweather for the past 6 years, agreed to everything he ever wanted, and still Floyd refuses to take the risk of losing. Manny’s reputation inside and outside the ring speak volumes about the quality of fighter and human being he is. Manny Pacquiao has won and lost fights, but his true character continually elevates him to the top. A man that shows true class, respect and honor regardless of whether he wins or loses. His legacy will be that of arguably the greatest fighting machine to have ever laced on a pair of gloves. A man that had virtually no quality boxing training as a young man, but somehow was able to accomplish more than any other boxer in history. He accomplished this with pure natural ability, perseverance, commitment, discipline, dedication and the love for his family and friends. A man that was led by God to accomplish something special and touch those that need hope. This is the legacy of Manny “Pac Man” Pacquiao. Manny is the best

Posted February 11, 2014 4:27 am 


Auzbox

The ol muppet is back hacking. Manny makes dog food of floyd. Easy money easy night

Posted February 11, 2014 4:26 am 


Auzbox

The legacy of Pac is he is the first champion who eats dogs. Did you see the Budweiser commercial with the puppy? Pac was licking his chops.

Posted February 11, 2014 4:24 am 


WarZ

Mansworld where is the greatest fighter of time in that statement ?

Posted February 11, 2014 4:18 am 


Zuks

Stupid article

Posted February 11, 2014 4:13 am 


mansworld

Two very different endings Floyd will retire very rich and undefeated. Mannys end will most likely be sad with him having to fight way past his glory days just to pay his bills in the end he will have nothing and most likely be damaged from all the years of punishments.

Posted February 11, 2014 3:11 am 


BEARS

so who do u guys think would win a lara vs 3g fight? im thinkin 3g

GONZO TARK FIGHT AFFICIANDO MEAN JOE HERRON???? anyone?

Posted February 11, 2014 2:53 am 


BEARS

who gets the edge in cut. who gets the lionshare of the money im may vs pac fight? thats highly debateable and highly subjective. this is a sport its based on sport not on ppv buys. the fan is about the sport. floyd has said some wild stuff ever since the first mention of pacman. its pretty storied. i remember when he tried to price himself out of a pacman fight saying he wants 100 million then he will fight pac. it was just an excuse engineered as arum said ok we got your 100 million then the subsequent excuses after that being many and multiple. now were talking lionshare of a cut too? dude wtf?!? as if mayweather is the end all be all and pac aint sickum? garbage! if anything its vice versa. ppv buys has jothing to do with boxing greatness. ppv buys in not on the compubox sheet at the end of the night or on the judfes score cards. its not a stat its not a metric of ANY kind. for all anybody knows a floyd mayweather fight is an excuse for afro americans to have a party at grandmas house and mexicans have a party at there house with their families hoping the mexican wins. i have gone to black buddies houses of mine AND LITERALY SEEN THIS and mexican buddies of mine AND LITERALLY SEEN THIS. my buddy raul had his garage decked out for canelo vs mayweather and served asasda tacos with limes onions cilantro dude it was FIRE! his grandmas were there uncles mom and dad brothers. most of them could not tell u much about boxingthey were goin for their perceivd countrymen canelo and i was too. my buddy kelvin. big a$$ black dude buddy of mine big bears fan like me. he has fight parties and all kinds if friends come over he watches mayweather a lot. buys his fights. i have won some money at kelvins now these black dudes they knew the fighters and could talk some boxing. my point is people buying ppvs have no bearing on greatness and dont indicate anything in regards to boxing skills. my buddy raul’s family is not the most boxing knowledgable and they did not buy it because of floyd and even if they did the fact remains. do i feel pac is less great than mayweather? HELL NO if there is a difference in greatness i think PAC EARNED that with morales, barrera, jmm, and bradley honestly i mean lets hold up floyds castillo, corrales, and canelo the 3c. (3c)… maybe jmm but remeber the weight issues b/w jmm coming up in weigh and floyd not even weighing in on fight night? one has to mention post retired grandpa oscar. zab judah? lol i mean u tell me. cant really hold up common opponents they cancel eachother out and in MOST cases pac did a better number on their common opponents and pac even fought MARGARITO who fliyd fake retire dodged. floyd should have faced those cement hands! instead pac did! dude if i give the EDGE in GREATNESS to either of these two its no doubt PACMAN. who mike tyson calls “THE MOST SENSATIONAL BOXER TODAY”

Posted February 11, 2014 2:51 am 


Nathan

@ Peej, the reason that Floyd took a cut to fight Oscar was because Oscar was still the biggest name in boxing at the time, Floyd had to concede , thats the buisness, but in saying that, Floyd is now the biggest name in boxing closely followed by Pac which does in fact put Floyd in the drivers seat for an edge in the overall cut. This however does not put Pac miles behind as is being eluded to by many. Dont let pure PPV be the judge of a boxers popularity. The Oscar v Floyd fight was just as much of a PPV generator for Oscar as it was for Floyd if not more so.

Posted February 11, 2014 2:18 am 


BEARS

hello spartacus! peace…..love….. super mutant powers to u!

(i cracked myself up with that super mutant powers add on)

Posted February 11, 2014 2:04 am 


BEARS

Fight Afficianado is a poster that goes way back. you should not attempt to soil his name with your insolence. people know better. dudes a good poster. a dude teolling around calling other people names and masquerading under fake names. your an east side nobody cluttering up threads with irrelevence. your not even bringing humor. like this floyds mama guy is both funny and creative. i remeber when i first seen his post i thought it was a one timer. this guy has been popping out funny gems for months now. you on the other hand. well your garbage kid. it cant be fixed. its your soul thats garbage. u deserve to be beaten and crying out

Posted February 11, 2014 2:03 am 


Auzbox

Did you guys know Manny eats dogs?

Posted February 11, 2014 1:59 am 


Joseph Herron

LOL…I see the self proclaimed “Raven” is spanking everyone on this site once again…LOL

Well done, brother!!

I actually don’t have a problem with Mayweather facing Khan…I’ve been wanting to see this match-up for several years now.

Just speaking with Virgil Hunter about his fighter’s chances in May, he actually thinks that Khan is going to surprise every fight fan who has discounted his abilities in the ring.

Of course Virgil words for Amir, so he has to say that…but, I think this fight will be much more entertaining than most believe.

Looking forward to it!!

Posted February 11, 2014 1:28 am 


Farmboxer

Everyone knows that Void is extremely afraid of Pac…………….he is a chicken………..

Posted February 11, 2014 1:06 am 


spartacus65

Goodevening. Gonzo the dragon born/ Edgar Allen Poe, sir I have to say you are one gutsy bloke. Your posts are definitely like how should I say? A virtual whirlwind of creativity! Like watching a cross between Pacquiao and Aaron Pryor. There is a method to the madness there for certain. Must admit I do enjoy them if for nothing more than the humor laced with some thought provoking view points. Peace and strength and a hearty cheers to you soldier. A shout out to you as well Mr. Bears. Cheers

Posted February 11, 2014 12:55 am 


Ghetto Thug in Toluca on bussines

Yawn!!!! The same §h1t talkers talking the same bullcrap

Posted February 11, 2014 12:50 am 


Floyd Money Mayweather

idiot. I’m not a boxer. I’m an entertainer.

Posted February 11, 2014 12:42 am 


Havoc

Legacy of Pedqioau and cherry picker fraud Mayweather. The boxers who killed boxing!!!!!!!

Posted February 11, 2014 12:36 am 


srminimo

te tumbo- I don’t know if the charity was muscular dis trophy or the Manny Pacquiao IRS recovery fund but manny has, in more than one occasion, said he wants the fight. May, on the other hand, asks Manny for tests that go beyond what any boxing commission asks (after he and his camp begin the PAC steroid rumors, no less), has asked him to leave his promoter, wants the lion’s share… You name it. May is an amazing fighter, but as great as he is, his legacy will always be tarnished for not making the biggest fight of his generation when they were both at their peak.

Posted February 11, 2014 12:21 am 


Ray Ray

Gonzo-who ever has a wife that looks like that @58 I take my hat off 2 u.

Posted February 11, 2014 12:15 am 


Auzbox

Dumb fans. One eats Kentucky Fried Chicken. The other eats Kentucky Fried Dog.

Posted February 11, 2014 12:14 am 


Ray Ray

Gonzo her name is Tanya Roberts. A view 2 kill. Voted worse bond movie & she worse Bond girl. I disagree, still smoking. Long jevity has 2 count 4 something.

Posted February 11, 2014 12:12 am 


Ray Ray

Gonzo- best bond chick, don’t no her real name or which bond. The 1 with roger Moore, Christopher Walken and Grace jones in it. Donnas mom of that 70′s show….she was smoking hot back in her day, check her out.

Posted February 11, 2014 12:08 am 


Floyd Money Mayweather

I am the GOAT of cherrypicking.

Posted February 11, 2014 12:00 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allen Poe

If te tumbo was to publicly denounce Floyd as a ville cherry-picking charlatan who possesses no redeeming features at all and perhaps donate a hefty sum of money to his local vulture sanctuary or do some voluntary work down there, then and only then we could perhaps contemplate allowing him back into the fold.

Posted February 10, 2014 11:53 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allen Poe

Thank you Fraud May.. I shall continue to preach come hell of high water. It’s just what Gonzo was born to do. lol

Posted February 10, 2014 11:50 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allen Poe

ROFL Brother.. But to be honest I actually read very little of what goes on here. Most of my time on here is spent reading my own posts over and over again. I’m actually being serious about that, too. I have read some of te tumbos posts in the past. I remember he once penned an ode to vultures that impressed me. But I think we had a falling out soon afterwards, it was actually vulture related, too. I can’t remember exactly what it was now though.

He is a Floyd groupie though.. which is tantamount to being a mass murderer in my book. There are one or two of them I will break bread with though. Mayweather86 is a Tier 2 poster who I will gladly welcome into the Gonzo’s lair with open arms. However, I wouldn’t think twice about slicing the throats of most other Floyd groupies, though. I genuinely mean that. In fact, I urge anyone reading this to actually take to the streets and carry this out in my name. If you see someone you think is or looks like they might be a Flomo, go and slash ‘em up on the sly and then tell them that Gonzo says hi. lol

Regarding the black lady in Conan, I’m assuming you must be referring to the delectable and ever so demure Miss Grace Jones. lol. No she’s not my type either. Masculine women do absolutely nothing for me. Of course the fact that she was a Bond girl works against her, too.. I mean look at the competition she was up against for Christ sake? That’s like the difference between a Tier 1 and Tier 500 poster. lol. She’s certainly no Halle Berry that’s for sure. But if we’re talking the absolute crème de la crème of Bond girls, well that’s just too damn difficult to even contemplate let alone answer. Way too much top t0tty there to choose. lol

Posted February 10, 2014 11:48 pm 


Prating Lasing

We’ll said, Hec Dog!

Posted February 10, 2014 11:43 pm 


TARK

Fight Aficionado…, ” What if Oscar ducked Trinidad? Or Leonard ducked Hearns?”

Oscar DID duck Trinidad… After Trinidad beat him Oscar ducked a rematch forever and ever… And worse than that, he ducked a reunification match with Winky Wright when they were both 154-pound champions. He fought washed up Yory Boy Campas instead.

Hearns wasn’t that tough… Hearns was KO’d and beaten twice by Iran Barkley, and knocked out 3 times in his 20′s .. After Leonard whipped Hagler he ducked all the top middleweight contenders, Mike McCallum, Michael Nunn, and Julian Jackson … and fought unknown Donny Lalonde. McCallum, Nunn, and Jackson eventually won the 3 splintered world middleweight titles stripped from Leonard, but Ray still wouldn’t fight them. He dropped weight to fight Terry Norris, who seemed to have a vulnerable chin.

After Leonard was whipped by Terry Norris, Leonard did the biggest duck job of all — by quitting for 6 years.

Don’t make it sound like Floyd invented ducking. It’s been going on forever.

Posted February 10, 2014 11:28 pm 


Floyd’s issue

And, Pac is not only a good fighter, he is a great fighter, 8 division champ. People will talk about this little man for long times to come. I agree with the author of this article, he lacks somewhat personality, but he is explosive and nobody has thrown punches like him unless you watch a Kung Fu featuring Bruce Lee. And everybody still talks about him.
Mayweather will be remembered as outstanding defensive fighter, maybe top 3 on the GOAT list, an artist in ring general ship and defense. His legacy? Waving dollar bills and being one of the most obnoxious boxers of all time, who ducked people. People hated Tyson, now everybody loves him. Same with Ali, his personality made him the GOAT, not his boxing, he was beatable. This will never happen with Mayweather. He will not even live up to Marciano’s legacy, who had guts, endurance and punching power. Mayweather will be remembered in part as some businessman who could have achieved so much more…

Posted February 10, 2014 11:15 pm 


Floyd’s issue

Te Tumbo, the way you worship Mayweather and pretend to be neutral and gracious towards Pac is ridiculous. You are saying Pac will be lucky if standing at the end of 12 rounds. I disagree, it will be the other way around. Pac remains Mayweathers biggest nightmare, more than Martinez or GGG. Pac is a little guy, south paw, very fast, in close distance throws a barrage of punches from weird angles. If Mayweather stays away, he wins easy. If he gets close to his opponent like he did against Mosley or Cotto, he will get more than a bloody nose, he may fall. I have this feeling, that if they much up, Mayweather gets hit like never before. And we know, Mayweather can be hit. Pac is no Canelo…

Posted February 10, 2014 11:04 pm 


badger

lamoota was as corrupt as don king.

Posted February 10, 2014 10:36 pm 


badger

Floyd picked and chose like robinson. lamotta picked his own mob ref in many fights.

Posted February 10, 2014 10:35 pm 


badger

I like many like I like fritze zivic. he fought everyone including charly burly.

Posted February 10, 2014 10:33 pm 


badger

test

Posted February 10, 2014 10:32 pm 


BEARS

yeah you are and i see tetumbo regurgitating the same swill sredmond style. i have never heard anyone disparage pac like te tumbo. te tumbo is the east side pinnacle of floyd nuthugging with boxtradamus. he actually is wowed cause floyd beat the baldomirs, ortizs, and guerreros of the world. i love how mayweather takes a dump in the toilet and calls it a legit boxing match and a legit opponent and his aforementioned nuthuggers buy it and slurp it up. these a$$ lickers are NASTY. everyone know your number one gonzo i dont think any sane mind disputes that fact. i would like to close this out spartacus style…….strength…..peace…..love…….super mutant powers

have u ever seen an uglier chick than the black chick with the bo staff on the old movie conan with arnold schwarzeneggar? i know its off topic a bit but i just watched that movie again. classic

Posted February 10, 2014 10:21 pm 


Anonymous

When l see manny fights….my heart races more than usually cuz he always brings ecxitment….to the boxing world ………….when i see floyd fights l get so. Bored and sleepy ..that immediately. Fall asleep…….floyd fights are like the human cure for insomnia

Posted February 10, 2014 10:20 pm 


Fraud May

Gonzo-..lol. Preach on brotha!

Posted February 10, 2014 10:17 pm 


Fight Aficionado

BoxRetard is the GOAT of ESB posting douchebags.

Posted February 10, 2014 10:16 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Legacies: They never fought and represented an era of boxing when the best ducked each other instead of fighting each other. What if Oscar ducked Trinidad? Or Leonard ducked Hearns? The sport would be half dead by now. If these clowns don’t change their ways it will be dead in 2020.

Posted February 10, 2014 10:15 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allen Poe

LOL Brother Bears.. I definitely am the greatest poster in this site’s history no ifs or buts. lol

Posted February 10, 2014 10:14 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allen Poe

ROFL at the thought of Floyd ”Money” Mayweather needing to earn cash to make sure his kids don’t go hungry. LOL. Poor hard done by Floyd and family. They got it so bad. Speaking of little kids going hungry, there sure is a lot of them over in the continent Floyd just visited. You know, the one where they treat him like royalty which he couldn’t give a crap about or the fans who waited hours with bated breath for his arrival only for him to not even show.

Posted February 10, 2014 10:12 pm 


BEARS

WOW!!! what a post GONZO!!! well said!!! well said!!! look out gonzo can wow a dude with his posts. hands down best post on this thread! THIS GUY gonzo is not number for no reason son.

Posted February 10, 2014 10:08 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allen Poe

Thanks bro.. I appreciate the kind words.

Posted February 10, 2014 10:06 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allen Poe

Edit? I mean it’s not like he hasn’t got enough cheddar in the bank to last him 50 lifetimes is it?

Posted February 10, 2014 10:06 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allen Poe

Superb post Brother Gonz. You couldn’t have hit that nail any cleaner or harder if you tried. lol

Posted February 10, 2014 10:04 pm 


Ray Ray

Both guys going straight 2 the hall no matter what happens from here…..as much as every1 wants this fight it won’t change that. No 2 guys are bigger than the sport and boxing will go without both. I’d love 2 c an article on the guys who will b around after these 2 selfish parties are gone. E.g both Garcia’s, Ward, Alvarez, Thurman, and most of all Rigo and Lomachenko?

Posted February 10, 2014 10:00 pm 


The Prince

Today, it’s not about Legacies, it’s about Money. Legacies don’t feed a family or pay the bills. And the rent is too damn high.

Posted February 10, 2014 8:39 pm 


JB

Floyd is a cherry-picker and a dull boxer. Hasn’t got a passport. Great for insomniacs to help get to sleep!

Posted February 10, 2014 8:39 pm 


floyd is funny

Ellie seckback wrote this and he hates pacquiao and roach after the ariza incident in china

Posted February 10, 2014 8:28 pm 


Boxtradamus

Participated in the Top 2 Richest Fights in History and WON both. Defeated 10 CHAMPS in 12 straight Fights. Defeated 5 Top 10 P4P Fighters in 7 straight Fights. Top Welter and Top Jr MW at the same damn time. Rated #1 P4P at 37 yrs old. Never been dropped. Best Compubox stats in the ENTIRE History of Boxing. Beat Juan Manuel Marquez more dominantly than he’s ever been beaten in his LIFE. Richest Contract for an athlete in the ENTIRE History of Athletics. Only man to ever make the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born say WOW WOW WOW……Floyd is the GOAT.

Posted February 10, 2014 8:16 pm 


Boxtradamus

Floyd is the GOAT.

Posted February 10, 2014 8:09 pm 


Lucifer

LOLZ at this cave dwelling moon skin Saharan Arab wannabe Mexican thinking he’s fooling anyone with his BS. This cat is about as Mexican as Sadam Hussien and Colonel Gaddafi. What part of Mey-hee-koh you at, culo? Inglewood, South Central 149 or Marrakesh? LOlz

Posted February 10, 2014 7:30 pm 


spartacus65

Te tumbo I would have NEVER guessed that. I happen to be an admirer of old blue eyes as well. That definitely escaped my radar. Then perhaps you are well acquainted with his collaboration with Count Basie and his orchestra. Excellent listening.Thanks . P.s. I guess this juggernaut fellow took my advice.Cheers

Posted February 10, 2014 7:13 pm 


fan

Pacman will KO Mayweather in no time…Pacman looks aged and slow when thrown in ring with average fighters…Challenge him and his true killer instinct will rise again…

Posted February 10, 2014 7:06 pm 


Hec Dog

Manny Pacquiao’s legacy was cemented a long time ago. He will never be questioned in any way, shape or form as a truly great fighter. He avoided no one, fought every one and is the ONLY 8 Division Boxing Champion in boxing history. Manny Pacquiao’s picture should be right next to the definition of a fighter. His wars are historic and monumental. There has never been a more exciting fighter in boxing. He has called out Floyd Mayweather for the past 6 years, agreed to everything he ever wanted, and still Floyd refuses to take the risk of losing. Manny’s reputation inside and outside the ring speak volumes about the quality of fighter and human being he is. Manny Pacquiao has won and lost fights, but his true character continually elevates him to the top. A man that shows true class, respect and honor regardless of whether he wins or loses. His legacy will be that of arguably the greatest fighting machine to have ever laced on a pair of gloves. A man that had virtually no quality boxing training as a young man, but somehow was able to accomplish more than any other boxer in history. He accomplished this with pure natural ability, perseverance, commitment, discipline, dedication and the love for his family and friends. A man that was led by God to accomplish something special and touch those that need hope. This is the legacy of Manny “Pac Man” Pacquiao. Manny is the best

Posted February 10, 2014 7:04 pm 


te tumbo

actually SPARTACUS65, “Ring-a-Ding-Ding!” is a 1961 album by Frank Sinatra and became popular Rat Pack slang in the 60s, e.g.,”We’ll have a ringa-ding-ding time”. I’m a fight-fan of varied interests and specialties. Boxing just happens to be my favorite.

Posted February 10, 2014 7:03 pm 


spartacus65

Te Tumbo actually ring ding a ling was a hit for rock and roller Chuckberry back in I believe the early seventies. Went over quite well in the UK. Actuall the song went by the title My Ding a ling.Some trivia there. Peace.

Posted February 10, 2014 6:57 pm 


TARK

This pundit says…, “Pacquiao makes no claim to greatness.”

Morey Schaeffer.., “Who’s the greatest fighter in world history?”

Manny Pacquiao.., “Including me?”

Schaeffer.., “Yes, including you.”

Pacquiao.., “Me.”

Posted February 10, 2014 6:53 pm 


te tumbo

“LUcifer son of the morning, I’m going kick You out of eart” Btw, “rooty-tooty”?!? Wtf is this? the 60s?!? and a “ring-a-ding-ding” right back at you, hepcat. now, crawl back into your time machine and GTFOH Lame-O.

Posted February 10, 2014 6:52 pm 


Constantine the Czar

Manny Pacquiao is a greater boxing figure than Floyd Mayweather with a greater boxing legacy, for sure. World titles in 8 Divisions, epic rivalries with Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales and Juan Manuel Marquez, coming from poverty in the Philippines to prevail and leaving his comfort zone so often to box all over the world (unlike Floyd who stays at home all the time) say so!

Posted February 10, 2014 6:51 pm 


spartacus 65

Juggernaut or whomever you claim to be i would appreciate it if one you keep your insults sir to yourself and secondly stop trying to imitate my expressions. i pride myself on respecting other contributers on this site regardless of their views. Therefore sir it would be foolish not to mention ignorant to try to mock me and pull me down to your level. words of advice : be careful of whom the man is you are baiting that is sitting behind the key board. Consider it sir. Te Tumbo thanks champ and the same regards to you as well. Peace and Strength.

Posted February 10, 2014 6:33 pm 


Lucifer

te tumbo eat dung and die sucka! damn saharan arab pretending to be mexican for kicks and giggles. get on the back of the ban ban bus you rooty tooty tanned albino cave dweller. no one in’t got time for your BS no more.

Posted February 10, 2014 6:33 pm 


te tumbo

even now Pacquiao* is haggling with Bradley over the amount of the fine for a dirty test. why not simply agree to a $1 fine and confirm the bout already? otherwise, what’s all the intere$t or suspense about if they’re both clean? testing is supPosed to be a routine condition yet it always manages to become a deal-breaker when Pacquiao* is involved. add that to the legacy.

Posted February 10, 2014 6:27 pm 


bigie

Mayweather is business man, Pac-man is a fighter. After the dust settles, Manny will be more respected as a fighter.

Posted February 10, 2014 6:21 pm 


te tumbo

“Juggernaut” I’m having trouble reconciling your recent posts(?). please clarify “delusional”, “enema”, and “Cheers” so that I can get a bead as to where you’re coming from and if you’re even the same poster(?). can’t take anything for granted on these boards . . . Cheers(?).

Posted February 10, 2014 6:19 pm 


Floyd Money Mayweather

I will be known for my undefeated record. Due to my great cherrypicking skills.

Posted February 10, 2014 6:16 pm 


JAN

WarZ ata kac obsessed kay Pacquiao.. Bakla!! Bakla!!.. supot

Posted February 10, 2014 6:16 pm 


The juggernaut

Te Tumbo I could not agree more sir. Thank You my friend. There is simply no reason in my view for disrespecting someone. In contact sports I was always taught to respect my opponent before and after any situation. As Bruce Lee wisely stated its called the art of fighting without fighting. Cheers champ.

Posted February 10, 2014 6:15 pm 


WarZ

Really delusion Te tumbo. Pacquiao avoiding Marquez? After fight I, manny ask Marquez a rematch but Marquez declined. End up losing to Chris John. Finally a rematch came lost to Pacquiao and then whine. He was given another chance but lost again and whine again. With 1 draw & 2 close wins Manny shouldn’t give him a 4th, but Manny did. Manny ask for a 5th fight Marquez declined end up losing to Bradley. When did Pacquiao avoide Marquez ? Delusional Te tumbo.

Posted February 10, 2014 6:13 pm 


te tumbo

SRMINIMO, do you recall the exact cause or charity that Pacquiao* was going to contribute his purse too? I don’t(?). also, has the cause or need been resolved or the past couple of months? or do they have a minimum amount they’ll accept that only a Mayweather v. Pacquiao* $howdown could satisfy? otherwise, where did Pacquiao’s* charity-challenge disappear too?!?

Posted February 10, 2014 6:11 pm 


The juggernaut

Spartacus65 this aint a site for dandies. Maybe you should take the queens flag and use it for an enema. Cheers that.

Posted February 10, 2014 6:10 pm 


te tumbo

SPARTACUS65, you are a consistent model of civil debate on these threads. I can spar with the best (and worst) of them but the personal and vulgar has ruined more boxing discussions on these boards than I can count . . . Cheers, friend.

Posted February 10, 2014 6:06 pm 


spartacus 65

Te Tumbo I was refering to your keen observation in regards to this Pacquiao/Mayweather issue being yesterdays or for that matter YESTER YEARS news. Peace and Strength.

Posted February 10, 2014 6:06 pm 


srminimo

Pac has shown no appetite for this match? He’s the only one who has expressly said he wants the match! He’s gone as far as to say he’ll fight for charity. Come on ESB…

Posted February 10, 2014 6:05 pm 


te tumbo

at least not as much as Mayweather wanted DLH, Marquez wanted Pacquiao*, or Canelo wanted Mayweather.

Posted February 10, 2014 6:03 pm 


spartacus 65

Te Tumbo I suspect that this is the general attitude within most sporting circles. As for the Gentlemen Juggernaut and a few others lets try to keep this civil. We can all agree to disagree without attacking someone in an offensive manner. One more thing sir, Cheers is MY MONIKER so to speak.

Posted February 10, 2014 6:02 pm 


te tumbo

Mayweather conceded negotiating parity to confirm his bout v. DLH. Marquez did several times to confirm multiple bouts v. Pacquiao* even though he was At-Least equal in actual if not commercial stature. Hell(?!?), even Canelo did to confirm his bout v. Mayweather. that’s what great fighters conscious of their legacies do. Pacquiao* has NOT been one of those great fighters. he continues to dare haggle with the #1 P4P and Undefeated Mayweather. in fact, his haggling also sabotaged any immediate rematch v. arch-rival Marquez who knocked him off P4P lists and put him out of commission for an entire year. the only logical conclusion is that he doesn’t reeeally want those matchups.

Posted February 10, 2014 6:01 pm 


moonshineman

@PEEJ

Thanks:

Manny Pacquiao: Champ in 8 World Classes.

Mayweather: Coward.

Posted February 10, 2014 6:00 pm 


The juggernaut

In my view as it very well should be. Good terminology by the way Te Tumbo. Cheers.

Posted February 10, 2014 5:57 pm 


te tumbo

SPARTACUS65, it’s the same here in Cali. even when somebody does broach the subject there’s a lot of eye-rolling and waving-off. topic-fatigue is the rule beyond boxing sites dedicated to the subject.

Posted February 10, 2014 5:54 pm 


The juggernaut

RDK, LOl. Good one dude.

Posted February 10, 2014 5:50 pm 


spartacus 65

I certainly agree with you there Te Tumbo. This seems to be coming strictly from a promotional standpoint. Most of the fellows at the gym, we hardly even discuss this issue. Cheera.

Posted February 10, 2014 5:48 pm 


The juggernaut

Te Tumbo man you really are delusional. Even Floyds staunchest supporters, including those in the press have conceded that that has to be the stupidist, biggest crock of crap theyve ever heard from ANY fighter. You really do have issues dude. If someone says the sky is blue you will say its purple just to disagree. I mean have you really listened to yourself?

Posted February 10, 2014 5:45 pm 


deepwater24242

hey you just used a lame excuse as an excuse. that is hard to do my friend. remember when floyd was jumping up and down in the stands watching pac beat morales.?

Posted February 10, 2014 5:41 pm 


te tumbo

SPARTACUS65, the fact that this non-fight continues to be discussed is an indication of the promotional interest at work rather than real fight-fine desire. if they don’t bring it up, no fight-fan ever does. it’s a purely academic exercise at this point. it’ll nevah happen.

Posted February 10, 2014 5:39 pm 


deepwater24242

hec dog said it all. floyd ruined all my fight parties except the hatton one . fight khan then ortiz again and get out and play with your money please

Posted February 10, 2014 5:39 pm 


PEEJ

Actually it is not pathetic at all when you seen how Arum has killed the fight. If I where Floyd why would I attempt to work with Arum after all the lame excuses he has given. But Roach said he sees no reason why Arum wouldn’t let Pac negotiate with out him. So if he does this and Floyd says no then we could say something. But with the excuses Arum has made it would be like visiting a well with no water in it. After the first couple of times you think you would smarten up and go to a different well.

Posted February 10, 2014 5:39 pm 


spartacus 65

War Z you mentioned Holyfield earlier. Some fighter was Mr. Holyfield.Embodied everythingthat defined a warriors heart, determination and fighting spirit. His trilogy with Bowe was a prime example of that, Cheers sir.

Posted February 10, 2014 5:38 pm 


te tumbo

the “I’m not fighting him because who his promoter is” excuse is absolutely pathetic IF you completely disregard who the promoter in question is. otherwise, your challenge is to make Arum give the #1 P4P and Undefeated champion that he doesn’t control what he’s worth and be satisfied with the balance, which is still a sh@tload of cash. just not as much as the share of #1 P4P and Undefeated fighter that he doesn’t control.

Posted February 10, 2014 5:37 pm 


Hec Dog

Manny Pacquiao’s legacy was cemented a long time ago. He will never be questioned in any way, shape or form as a truly great fighter. He avoided no one, fought every one and is the ONLY 8 Division Boxing Champion in boxing history. Manny Pacquiao’s picture should be right next to the definition of a fighter. His wars are historic and monumental. There has never been a more exciting fighter in boxing. He has called out Floyd Mayweather for the past 6 years, agreed to everything he ever wanted, and still Floyd refuses to take the risk of losing. Manny’s reputation inside and outside the ring speak volumes about the quality of fighter and human being he is. Manny Pacquiao has won and lost fights, but his true character continually elevates him to the top. A man that shows true class, respect and honor regardless of whether he wins or loses. His legacy will be that of arguably the greatest fighting machine to have ever laced on a pair of gloves. A man that had virtually no quality boxing training as a young man, but somehow was able to accomplish more than any other boxer in history. He accomplished this with pure natural ability, perseverance, commitment, discipline, dedication and the love for his family and friends. A man that was led by God to accomplish something special and touch those that need hope. This is the legacy of Manny “Pac Man” Pacquiao. Manny is the best

Posted February 10, 2014 5:29 pm 


spartacus 65

Absolutely Neil. It really should not be that way however this is what unfortunately is the case in todays era of boxing. The fact that a non fight is being discussed to the extent that it has for the last five years also speaks volumes about where boxing is today. Cheers.

Posted February 10, 2014 5:28 pm 


te tumbo

if you narrow Pacquiao’s* legacy down to his non-fight v. Floyd, you have unfinished business, plain and simple. the fight was there for the taking. Pacquiao* could’ve confirmed ANY bout he really wanted and Did. the only logical conclusion for not doing so v. Mayweather is that he (they?) didn’t reeeally want the matchup. the entire random-testing scandal also made a lasting impression. it remains inexplicable(?). also, no one can ever forget the conclusion of Pacquiao’s* rivalry v. Marquez. his primary rivals: one KO loss and unfinished business. it’s impossible to ignore these factors when assessing Pacquiao’s* ring-legacy.

Posted February 10, 2014 5:25 pm 


WarZ

Exactly PEEJ because your boy doesn’t want to fight. He is the best fighter the , best defender, the fastest fighter. And Manny is smaller ,slower , inferior boxing skill, but I just wonder why he is not fighting him already.

Posted February 10, 2014 5:23 pm 


Neils

The “I’m not fighting him because who his promoter is” excuse is absolutely pathetic coming from a fighter.

Posted February 10, 2014 5:21 pm 


PEEJ

Na Floyds era was pretty nice. Can’t argue with it. Can only complain about excuses that came from Floyd and Pac. Main person to blame was Arum though.

Posted February 10, 2014 5:20 pm 


deepwater24242

the mayweather era really stunk . chavez era,tyson era,rjj era,delahoya era so much better.

Posted February 10, 2014 5:16 pm 


PEEJ

Pac fans are not more likely to see reality. Not from what I have seen .

Posted February 10, 2014 5:16 pm 


WarZ

Dream on Te tumbo. All the Mayweather fans will think like you. It will always remain in your imagination anyway. The Pacquiao fans imagine the other way but are more willing to see the reality. This will go on forever but too bad your Mayweather cannot claim to be the greatest. Maybe in his dreams but not reality. Because there is no better way to gauge greatness than to actually fight. It will remain as an argument. NOTE: Pacquiao is not chasing the ATG Mayweather is. And Pacquiao is more willing to fight, Mayweather is not. The negative impression goes to Mayweather because of his unwillingness to fight. Do you think Ali , Leonard , Tyson , Hopkins , Holyfield etc. would recognize him as the greatest? In your dreams… Only in your dreams.

Posted February 10, 2014 5:10 pm 


PEEJ

Im with you, I can’t wait till the Pac era is over so we can actually get back to boxing.

Posted February 10, 2014 5:10 pm 


PEEJ

So how come people always say Mayweathers reluctance to engage when Pac and company have come out with so many more excuses on why not to take the fight? Floyd took a major cut when he fought Oscar. He conceded everything to him. Yet when it came to Pac he was no conceding anything to Floyd. Even after the first negotiations Floyd agreed to everything but Pac and company couldn’t agree on one thing. And what is even more eye opening is the fact right now with Bradley vs Pac, they still haven’t agreed on the drug testing. I mean, what is there to agree on. You either randomly take it or you don’t.

Posted February 10, 2014 5:09 pm 


deepwater24242

sad day in boxing when the current p4p boxer refuses to fight the fighter of the decade for any reason. sad day. cant wait until the mayweather era is over.

Posted February 10, 2014 5:08 pm 


PEEJ

Floyd poking fun at Pac, making any remarks will have nothing to do with Floyds boxing legacy. Yeah people will say he acted childish, was an ass and very disrespectful. Heck look at Tyson, he has broken laws, been to jail for rape (something I believe he didn’t do) and people still try and say he was the best ever heavy or top 25 best Heavy. So his attitude will not play any role in where he stands with his legacy

Posted February 10, 2014 5:07 pm 


spartacus 65

Pacquiao has a fine legacy. To narrow it down to his series of bouts which he won three and lost one( Marquez) and losing a very ghastly to say the least questionable decision to Timothy Bradley is doing adisserrvice to Pacquiao. Yes he is a eight division world champion and that is duly recorded in the record books and is also recognized by his peers. He has a very impressive resume that many cannot boast of. Losing? Thats part of the fight game. Its how a fighter responds that determines his worth. Ask Ali,Holmes,Joe Louis both Sugar Rays and Smoking Joe Frazier about losing and adversity. Fraziers losses to Ali did not take away from his legacy at all but rather enhanced it. Ali losing to Norton did not take away from his legacy. i could go on but for purists im sure my point is clarified. In this age of statistics people tend to get carried away with numbers. For that i present to you Dan Marino and Peyton Manning. fantastic numbers but Dan Marino zero super bowls to his credit. Peyton manning fantastic passer but come the post season a totally different player. Substance, the intangibles is how i judge a fighters worth. Responding to adversity and picking ones self up after a loss. Thats what tells the true story. Cheers.

Posted February 10, 2014 5:06 pm 


spartacus 65

Good afternoon. While everyone is certainly entitled to their respective opinions and I for one will respect every mans view point, we will never truly know the outcome of such a match due to Mr. Mayweathers admitted reluctance to engage his rival. One can only theorize how such a bout would unfold. However it is a bit intruiging to envision strategies and counter strategies. I always felt this fight would go the distance with pacquiao grinding out a well earned decision based off of his volume punching and various angles of attack. His speed would certainly pose serious issues for his rival while his rivals counter punching would give Pacquiao food for thought at least for awhile. As I said before its all just conjecture. I am glad to see Marquez doing the right thing by expressing his desire to face his philipino rival again. its the correct thing to do. Also Pacquiao and Bradley facing off once more is how it should be. Unfinished business there to say the least. Thats how the old time warriors used to square business. Peace and strength.

Posted February 10, 2014 4:51 pm 


PEEJ

Pac is no 8 time world champ. He has held titles in 8 weight classes but he wasn’t the real champ in those classes. Floyd is a 4 division linear champ and has held titles in 5 weight classes.

Posted February 10, 2014 4:49 pm 


moonshineman

That’s Easy:

Pacquiao 8 time world champion.

Mayweather: Coward.

Posted February 10, 2014 4:46 pm 


te tumbo

Btw, this is a responsible and well-written article on the topic. sets a tone . . . let’s talk Boxing.

Posted February 10, 2014 4:45 pm 


te tumbo

in terms of legacies, I detect no lasting blemish on Floyds’. particularly if he retires undefeated and at the top of the P4P heap. Pacquiao’s* legacy will be determined by the result of his rivalries and we all know who his two biggest rivals have been: Marquez and Mayweather. nothing will change the result of his rivalry v. Marquez and anything less than an actual showdown v. Mayweather — at Any cost — will be legacy-defining for Pacquiao*. a decisive KO Loss and unfinished business, which will only serve to highlight any other blemishes on his body of ringwork.

Posted February 10, 2014 4:41 pm 


Thurmal Underwear

Meanwhie, Bob Arum is still writing Pac’s legacy for him. Teach that boy to tie his shoes already Bob!

Posted February 10, 2014 4:39 pm 


Thurmal Underwear

Uh oh, this has Hecdog written all over it. He’s in the dictionary right now…

Posted February 10, 2014 4:39 pm 


te tumbo

their respective legacies will boil down to Mayweather being a great fighter and Pacquiao* being an explosive and very good fighter. the goodest of them all perhaps, but he’s only looked great v. good to very good fighters. Mayweather on the other hand consistently demonstrates mastery and versatility each and every time out v. good, great, bigger, and ATGs with the same result. he remains undefeated and it’s really unfathomable that Pacquiao* could be favored v. a still-prime Mayweather. think Broner v. Maidana. Marquez v. Mayweather. Gatti v. DLH. Trinidad v. Hopkins, etc. the physical disparity alone is a decisive advantage for Mayweather who also brings extraordinary talent, skills, and ring-smarts into the ring; v. bigger fighters; and Wins. Pacquiao* would be lucky to remain standing for 12. something that a merciful Mayweather allowed Marquez to do but I don’t anticipate much mercy from Mayweather should he ever catch Pacquiao* in a boxing ring. there is no reason to believe that a Mayweather v. Pacquiao* matchup would be the exception to a great big man beating a very good little man. that was the case 4 years ago and it remains the case today.

Posted February 10, 2014 4:35 pm 


Kid Hammer

I second that. Good indepth article.

Posted February 10, 2014 4:29 pm 


spartacus 65

very well written and insightful article my friend. What is relevant at least in my view is that this bout should have taken place years ago while both participants were in their respective primes. when it MATTERED. Fast forward five years later and all we have is a very insulting joke being played on hardcore boxing fans. this EVENT has turned into a grotesque soap opera which has gone on far too long. I for one have no interest in seeing this fight take place because when it should have taken place during their PRIMES it did not materialize. i will not purchase a product past its expiration date. As far as legacies are concerned time will tell. Pacquiao has certainly distinguished himself with being a title holder in a record eight divisions. To accomplish that given where he started from is simply amazing in and of itself. As for his rival time will tell the story on him as well. His undignified antics, belittling Pacquiao at every turn, making derogatory infantile pokes at the man,his family and economic issues does him no favors in the eyes of reasonable people. And there precisely is the rub. With all of this aggression verbally and through social media, only WORDS AND NO ACTION does Mayweather no favors.There are other fighters on the horizon who I believe have merit due to their hunger, youth and desire to make a name for themselves( Keith thurman, Gennady Golovkin, etc.) who I will be focusing my attention on. Once again sir a well written article. Cheers.

Posted February 10, 2014 4:25 pm 


Jess

Duckweather has a legacy of 0 losses. Pacquiao’s legacy is filled with great fights fighting great fighters. Pacqauio has the real deal legacy

Posted February 10, 2014 4:10 pm 



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