Froch is a true warrior, brilliant news.Posted February 17, 2014 7:05 am
Froch is what boxing is about – Fighting the best fighters out there.Posted February 16, 2014 8:59 am
Mad props to Froch. I couldn’t believe he was actually afraid to fight someone – glad to see he will take the risky fight again.Posted February 16, 2014 8:56 am
Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster
Watt’s always been a glass half empty commentator & scored plenty of Lennox & Calzaghe’s one-sided fights quite closely, among others. I don’t dislike him but he’s a bundle of nervous energy and sounds worried in the heat of the moment. I think that he scored Kessler v Froch 1 as a virtual shut-out, whereas it was a good, close fight.
I personally had Groves a couple ahead at the time of the stoppage (including the KD & including round 9), as he was starting to gas before the halfway point. The rounds that he won were clearly won and those Froch won were closely won but it’s 10-9 whether you outclass your opponent or scrape the round. This made GG appear further ahead to casual fans. By the time of the stoppage, Froch was in the ascendency, 2 behind with 2 rounds left. In terms of damage done, Froch should have been finished in round 1 but was wily enough to lose a few rounds as he cleared his head and come back. He went into the fight unsettled, Groves had got under his skin more than he would admit. GG on the other hand was too emotional and as soon as he gassed he looked to the ref for minor infringements, then he was stopped when he turned away and took some (not many) unanswered punches. In some ways it reminded me of a green Haye punching himself out and gassing against Carl Thompson. Froch is a good finisher, GG was likely going down for a KD and as he got up he’d have been swarmed and likely stopped. This time around I think GG will try to be more elusive & Froch will have to walk him down to land enough. Either could win but Froch seemed to have more stamina, so I think he’ll get to Groves eventually.Posted February 15, 2014 4:54 pm
I’m having problems posting too, Martin. Jim Watt is some piece of work isn’t he? His scorecard was a joke.Posted February 15, 2014 4:19 pm
Comments below were in response to yours….Posted February 15, 2014 3:05 pm
F uck it … For some reason it won’t let me put that …. I was just saying Jim Watt was the commentator (he’s Scottish), and I completely agree he was biased …. If you watch the fight with foreign commentary it’s like watching a different fight. Froch wasn’t nearly as far behinf as Watt’s commentary would lead you to believe, etc…Posted February 15, 2014 2:56 pm
Damn, why won’t it let me post? …. I lost the first paragraph of my last comment….Posted February 15, 2014 2:52 pm
Froch was nearly as far behind as Watt’s commentary would have you believe, if he was behind at all (your breakdown of the fight is very good: Groves was looking for big money shots, which were eye-catching, but not of them landed flush, while Froch was outworking and outlanding him in several rounds).
I hate biased commentary: it seriously influences and distorts people’s perceptions of what they’re seeing. Jim Watt seizes upon an interpretation of what’s happening and then runs with it, commenting on everything he sees as if it adds further credence to his initial impression. It’s called “confirmation bias” in psychology, and commentators need to be more aware of it — not to mention viewers in general.
In any case, I hope there’s better commentary for the rematch.Posted February 15, 2014 2:47 pm
I had Froch ahead by one point going into the 9th round. Groves was relying too much on looking for an opportunity to land a haymaker while Froch was mixing up his game, staying busy and throwing more punches. He often had Groves off-balance with his jab.
Some of you guys talk about how dirty Froch was fighting but Groves was hitting him behind the head, using his head to drive Froch backwards, locking his arms up between his elbow and his body and not breaking when the ref told them to break.
Regardless, the stoppage was BS. It was incredibly premature and Groves was right to throw a fit about it. He got hit but he wasn’t in trouble and the ref should have allowed them to continue to fight.
On another note: The two commentators–especially the one with the high-pitched Scottish accent (or Irish)–talked more BS than Bayers has aspirins. Talk about biased commentating–it was pathetic–they favored Groves from the get-go and went on and on about him throughout the fight.
In the end I had Groves winning rounds 1,4, and 6, and I thought round 7 could have gone to either guy although I gave it to Froch. I scored Froch winning rounds 2,3,5,7 and 8 and of course the 9th when the fight was stopped.
A rematch is definitely in order. But Froch will fight smarter second time around and he will win by UD. All the stamina in the world won’t be better than Froch’s experience and better boxing skills.Posted February 15, 2014 1:26 pm
Cobra KOPosted February 15, 2014 1:17 pm
Captain Jack Sparrow
Groves wins and takes home the gold.Posted February 15, 2014 11:42 am
The idea that Groves turned away as a tactic is bizarre, if Groves wanted some respite he could’ve taken a knee, it wasn’t like he was in danger of losing on points. He didn’t and couldn’t do that, because he no longer had his wits about him.
Is Groves going to have a bigger gas tank this time?Posted February 15, 2014 10:18 am
The blueprint simple, hit Froch with everyone you have for 8-9 rounds, wear yourself out, hang on and hope you don’t get an absolute pasting for the last few rounds….simple lol :DPosted February 15, 2014 8:32 am
is degale still fighting next to burger king in kent.Posted February 15, 2014 8:32 am
Other British fighters have known for years that they can beat Froch…..Strange they never stepped up to the plate and did what Groves did….Who are these who have known for “years” they can beat Froch…they sure haven’t said it in the ring..What interview was it Degale said that.Posted February 15, 2014 7:55 am
Rich; Not true, DeGale said in an interview that not only Grooves, but other British fighters, had known for years that they can beat Froch.
It’s on Youtube.
Clearly Grooves can learn a lot, the dirty infight tactics, balancing energy and so forth, but Grooves won every round, but one, he took old Froch to school, and this will happen again.
You are right, it is amazing that DeGale would praise Grooves, but he did, he even said that Grooves made a great fight.
On the other side, Froch may start to use his formerly great jab, but is he fast enough? No.Posted February 15, 2014 7:22 am
Froch crapping himself….yeah right…..and what was Groves the fearless leader doing….Posted February 15, 2014 5:18 am
Groves is in for a right spanking !Posted February 15, 2014 4:22 am
I just watched the fight again and I agree with you Wah. The stoppage might have been a bit early but I think that might have worked in Groves’ favour if he would only admit it. The result was disputed by some, so he gets a rematch and a big payday. In reality, Froch is a deadly finisher and Groves was badly hurt and physically spent. I’m pretty confident Froch would have finished it that round or the next. In that case Groves would have taken a savage beating, the early knockdown and scorecards would have been forgotten, there would be no rematch and no payday for this talented young fighter. Now he gets time to recover and train, time for Froch to get bit older and slower, a big fat payday and maybe a different result.Posted February 15, 2014 1:09 am
Groves was spent by the 9th round, the ref did Groves a favor by stopping the fight, if it went on Groves would of got left on the canvas and they would have said it was the refs fault for not stopping it earlier. Groves should think himself lucky he is still fighting and getting a big pay day that will set him up for life, instead of winging, he lost, Froch took your shots, know when you have been beat and accept it.Posted February 14, 2014 11:45 pm
All I need to do is fight a slightly better fight and I should get the nod.Posted February 14, 2014 11:03 pm
Groves never took a knee, 8-count and wasn’t on the ropes taking a beating …. did Foster ever look him in the eye or warn him?
Groves gets his rematch and deservedly so!
Froch’s crapping himself!Posted February 14, 2014 10:52 pm
Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster
Now that he’s got his way, will George stop crying? His tantrums remind me of my 5 year old girl.Posted February 14, 2014 9:13 pm
Was about 10-20 seconds away from not oweing Groves a rematch though. If I was Froch I’d be mighty annoyed I had to revisit this one, just because the referee jumped in too soon.Posted February 14, 2014 8:46 pm
Chaz, really? C’mon, Groves dominated Froch for most of the fight and the stoppage was bogus. Froch gets respect for fighting everyone, but there’s no question he owed Groves a rematch, absolutely no question.Posted February 14, 2014 8:44 pm
Lee Froch is a chutney shunter
I hope groves gives Carl another show up, sparks him out and then kos that fat waaaanker brother LeePosted February 14, 2014 7:03 pm
Let it be said – How does a fighter who’s fought anyone and everyone lose all credibilty by not taking a fight against a young up-and-comer, with no “names” on his record, WHO HE’S ALREADY BEATEN?Posted February 14, 2014 6:51 pm
Let it be said
Froch trying to put on a brave face but his hand was forced. He had to take the fight or lose all credibility. This could be the end of a beautiful career when Groves humiliates him in front of the world.Posted February 14, 2014 6:05 pm
p.s sad ken is right he only looked good cause he went balls outPosted February 14, 2014 4:22 pm
whatever happens froch knows he took 9 rounds of groves best but when groves gassed in the 8th and was forced to stand and trade he was finished a round later ( howard foster just saved him a pasting). im upset with eddie hearn for pushing this rematch as froch after a very hard career probably the hardest in the last 15 years deserves a swansong in vegas not taking another pasting before wearing down a groves late just to prove to a dis respectful mug he isn’t scared and so hearn can get options on himPosted February 14, 2014 4:21 pm
Nah, sorry but in my opinion, Groves only made Froch look so bad because he went balls out for the first half of the fight. If he does this again, I think it’ll be the same result – Froch grinding him down.
If Groves is going to win, I think he needs to be pacing himself to win on points.Posted February 14, 2014 3:08 pm
I think groves stops froch this time…I know I’m sticking my neck out saying that but…seen the first fight and froch lost his bottle big Time! I’m a huge fan of Carl’s but I see the young pup coming through this time :)Posted February 14, 2014 2:59 pm
groves has one big flaw in his cv. its called stamina.Posted February 14, 2014 2:04 pm
Groves says this will be the British version of Hagler-Hearns. You know who won that fight George? The guy with the better chin.Posted February 14, 2014 1:56 pm
The ever humble and retiring Groves will get worked over this time proper…Degale never said George could beat Froch,under no circumstances would Degale ever pay such a complement to Groves…As for Groves being stopped because he turned away to get a BREATHER,that is just an excuse…….Posted February 14, 2014 12:34 pm
Mack I agree, Groves could take a big lead, the thing is in the first fight two judges only had Groves 1 point up at the end of he fight. Most will agree Groves was around 4 rounds up at that point.Posted February 14, 2014 12:09 pm
I see the same fight as last time, Groves making Froch looking slow and cumbersome, but Froch eventually grinding him down, and this time there being no controversy.Posted February 14, 2014 12:04 pm
All the pressure now turns to Groves for this one. The first fight was a free hit for him, nobody expected him to win. Now it looks like a 50/50 fight with plenty of people picking Groves. I still don’t see how he can stop Carl eventually wearing him down and stopping him late on…again.Posted February 14, 2014 11:46 am
Those two will always have a great fight. The dislike other. Add to that the strengths of one man are the weakness’s in the other. I personally think the second fight will be no different to the first. Carl fights in the same way all the time. Groves will beat him to the punch and build up a big lead.
The key to the whole fight is after round 6. If Carl takes a similar beating I do wonder if he can come back strong in the championship rounds. If he does what George does here determines the final result. If he boxes and move he can coast to a points win. The big problem is George like Amir Khan wants to fight himself out of trouble. He has stamina issues and they will never go.
If he can stay disciplined I think Groves can win. I just wonder can he. There will be huge pressure on the guy. Too are so many intangibles here and this is why it’s must see tv. I think either Froch KO after round 7 or a Conterversial draw…Posted February 14, 2014 10:51 am
I have a feeling we saw the best of Groves in the first fight. I don’t think the Cobra will allow the same mistakes. I tip my hat to Froch for giving the fans what they want….unlike somebody we know at 147……LOL
WAR TIMEPosted February 14, 2014 10:34 am
Brilliant news. Well done Eddie.Posted February 14, 2014 10:25 am
Yea who cares? It’s not as if the first fight was exciting in the slightest. Just a massive borefest, both of em just stalking each other round the ring pawing jabs out at each other for 9 rounds. No controversy, no demand for it at all, why bother with a rematch?Posted February 14, 2014 10:03 am
Will Howard Headlock Foster storm into the ring and get Groves in another headlock and ruin this fight, nothing would surprise me.Posted February 14, 2014 10:02 am
@ mark who cares? I think your find this will break ppv sales in Britain and will also be watched all around the world. Andre ward may be the best however he is so dull to watch he will never generate the excitement Carl froch canPosted February 14, 2014 9:57 am
Who cares about this fight? Andre Ward is the Champion. Froch is over the hill and Groves just isnt a world class fighter. He fights like a sloppy amateur.
Great news for Grooves, he is going to be a world champion.
Even DeGale says that Grooves is a much better fighter, compared to Froch, he believes that several British boxers can beat Froch.
I agree. Froch doesn’t like opponents with head movement, and fast hands.
Bute and Kessler lacked what Grooves has got, and Froch is now old. Again, I like Carl, he takes every fight, but he was always slow.
I think that we all agree that Grooves, needs to be patient, not spend too much energy, early on, and keep Froch down, when he is on the floor, next time.Posted February 14, 2014 8:31 am
Froch must be confident he can do this again, no one gave froch the beating groves gave him. But even if the fight went 12 rounds groves was behind on the scorecards which was ludacrus considering. It’s a tough fight to call but a few things we know is,
Wow cant believe people are still backing Froch to win. I think it will be an easy night for Groves. He’s now been there and done it and knows what’s coming. I don’t think he stuck to the plan against Froch first time round. The plan last time is the same as it will be this time. Where it went wrong for Groves first time round was that he found Froch too easy to hit and was able to take his shots better than he thought. However instead of playing it safe he got carried away and spent too much energy punishing Froch like he did for the first 7 or 8 rounds. Round 9 was the round he started to lag a bit. Froch’s conditioning came into play and he was all over Groves. But what I personally seen in there was Froch grinding things out by leaning, pushing, fouling Groves. All good tactics on his part I may add. But he was not hitting Groves cleanly and spent a lot of time mauling his out of desperation more than anything else. When Groves was stopped he was just gassing out. HE was looking for a breather. He turned away from the Froch to buy himself 10 seconds as what should have happened (and has happened in many high profile fight in the past, Calzaghe Hopkins, Mayweather Hatton) was the ref should have split the fighters up, warned Groves for turning away from Froch, and then he should have let the fight continue. It should not have been stopped! However Groves would have been kicking himself as he would have knew if he had just played it safe he could have saved energy to tie Froch up and withstand an onslaught. This will happen this time round. I actually think this fight will not live up to the hype and may even end up another controversial decision. I expect Groves to come out and be on his toes from the first bell. Pot shutting Froch and using his speed to score points and get out without being hit. When he has some success he wont be piling in like last time he’ll just step back out take a breath and stay on the outside. I would not be surprised in the slightest if Groves just cruises to a points victory while just giving away the final few rounds to Froch as he gets desperate.Posted February 14, 2014 8:01 am
Robert McCracken: ‘Carl Froch was too strong for George Groves, even on a bad night.’ That pretty much sums it up for me. Expect Carl to be better on the night, and the outcome to be the same, only without the controversy this time.Posted February 14, 2014 7:42 am
Froch for me, by KO. Although I’ll be a fan and follower of Groves if he can pull off the win without controversy.Posted February 14, 2014 7:33 am