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eddie

joe frazier. a class act in and out of the ring. peace champ.

Posted February 19, 2014 10:15 am 


BLUESMAN

GREAT article! R.I.P. Smokin’ Joe. You are one of the VERY best heavyweights EVER!

Posted February 19, 2014 3:54 am 


Dino

SJF, classy guy to the end.

Posted February 18, 2014 11:27 pm 


BILLY NO MEDALS ALL AMERICAN BOY.

Anonymous and bruce are Z level BUMS AT BEST

Posted February 18, 2014 4:12 pm 


the guy

nice article. Frazier is an ATG no doubt

Posted February 18, 2014 3:14 pm 


spartacus65

I would like to add that even in losing to Foreman, Frazier still showed tremendous heart . Perhaps to his detriment but he was a warrior to the end. So much so he was willing to engage Foreman in a rematch, losing again by ko in the process. Something Ali was not willing to do with Foreman. No encore performance from Mr.Ali. There. Cheers

Posted February 18, 2014 12:13 pm 


spartacus65

Good day. No disrespect intended towards Mr. Foreman who was a phenomenal puncher but he caught Frazier at the right time. Frazier in beating Ali at Madison square garden suffered for that win physically. He was never quite the same fighter after that bout due to the amount of clean head shots he absorbed from Ali. Though Ali was not a prolific puncher he was still a 217/220 lb. man throwing very crisp and accurate strikes that landed with authority. Ali was a better puncher in his return to the ring after his exile. His body was more filled out, particularly around the shoulders and he planted his feet more as he delivered those snappy combos. Frazier would end up the victor but he would pay a price for that win. He ended up due to hper tension and the punishment spending 2weeks in the hospital. He was never the same fighter after that night. His last great effort was in Manilla.

Posted February 18, 2014 12:06 pm 


verlaine37

Joe frazier is one of boxing’s immortals who will never be forgotten. His fights
with Ali were not just great fights but events that everyone had an opinion about and could not wait for it to happen. five greatest fights were with Ali, Quarry,Ellis, Foster, Mthiss. His body work was awesome to behold and his left hook a think of beauty. These fights must be seen to appreciate just how good he was. lloses to G.F. only part of the story. An A.T.G.
and a man who knew the fans wanted action and gave it o them everytime.

Posted February 18, 2014 11:12 am 


Hidalg0

Foreman may have said he was “scared” when he faced Frazier, but the fear was in Frazier’s eyes, not Foreman’s. George probably just said that out of respect to Frazier. George hit Joe so hard he literally lifted Joe off his feet. That ain’t the kind of punch that comes from a scared fighter. That’s the kind of punch that comes from a fighter who’s supremely confident that he’s going to knock the stuffing out of his opponent. George did.

Posted February 18, 2014 11:01 am 


joey

new deal well said.you have nearly as much chance of seeing a great hw fight,as you have of seeing a great boy band.

Posted February 18, 2014 10:43 am 


Lorebe

Those Quarry fights with Frazier were very exciting. It shows how strong Joe is and his ability to take a punch

Posted February 18, 2014 10:41 am 


Anonymous

fury and chisora are both c level bums.

Posted February 18, 2014 10:28 am 


Tony.G.G. Galento

Frazier god blown out twice by Big George. Big George would be rated as not so big nowadays, and he was crude as hell too. Bugner got mentioned, he was just a kid and almost upset Smokin Joe. Fury would beat Joe, so would any top ten guy nowadays, easily. No disrespect to Joe, but him and Marciano and Louis would be tiny and slow nowadays.

Posted February 18, 2014 6:13 am 


Rich

Frazier was not overweight for the manilla fight……..and if you call horrible health from someone who had just gone 14 rounds with the very best and taken Ali to” near death ” according to him, you should live that long unhealthy……..No Fury would not beat Joe handily,Fury would be lucky to make it back to his stool after the first round…

Posted February 18, 2014 6:02 am 


New Deal

These are the fights we will always remember. No matter Joe lost or won, he brought in his best everytime. What a difference to todays HW. What was the last exciting HW-fight? I can only remember Lewis vs Vitali K. But the rest?
Don´t want to talk every time about the good old days, but HW of today gives us no other chance.

Posted February 18, 2014 5:39 am 


AssyrianGod

Frazier was 100% heart and effort, and exciting to watch. His 1st and 3rd fights with Ali were Classics. He did defend against some relatively poor opponents; Dave Zieglewicz and Terry Daniels. Manuel Ramos and Ron Stander were not too great either. Frazier wouldnt cut it today, just too small and open; Look at how a big guy like Foreman destroyed him twice, and a green but big 22 yr old Joe Bugner took him to the wire. Today we have fighters bigger, stronger, more athletic and more skilled than Foreman and Bugner..sadly for Frazier he would have zero chance against Lewis, Vitali, Wlad etc, even Sanders, Bowe, Fury and Thompson would beat him handily.

Posted February 18, 2014 5:36 am 


TARK

BTW.., As far as Frazier “literally never taking a backwards step”??? … That’s not quite true.

Joe actually turned around and started RUNNING away from Foreman in the first fight.. He got nailed with a big right as he fled.. He was such a wide open punching bag that it was ridiculous, so he had little choice but to back up from George.. Foreman chased Joe all around in their 2nd fight and the fight was halted without any protest from Frazier. He had enough of George..

Bonavena backed Frazier up in both fights as well… As far as Frazier never being in a boring fight.. Hmmm… I guess you didn’t see his fights with Scrap Iron Johnson or Jumbo Cummings..

You were never a boxer or you’d know that NO fighter is going to die rather than quit — although that sounds good to the fans.. You can’t get any good fights if you’re wrecked, so any fighter with common sense will see when a stoppage is necessary — including Frazier.

Posted February 18, 2014 3:09 am 


TARK

In the Manila fight Ali was faking being tired.

Ali wanted Frazier to completely expend and exhaust himself. I saw what Ali was doing. I said Frazier’s corner was going to stop it before the 14th round ended. I knew Eddie wouldn’t let Joe go out for the 15th.

“Some say Ali’s corner was about to do the same. We will never know.”

I know… Frazier was way overweight and in horrible health.. Joe had high blood pressure and an enlarged heart.. In an athletic competition following his loss to Foreman, Joe came in deadlast — and was dead last in many events of that competition. You can still watch the swimming event online if you want to see the slowest swimmer in history. You’ll have a big laugh I promise.

Ali knew of Frazier’s condition before the fight.. Ali attacked Frazier like crazy in the 14th… Ali was also overweight, so he was winded at the end of the 14th from trying to knock Frazier out… But quit??? Ali had the fight WON and he knew it.. Frazier could barely stand let alone fight.. Ali had much more reason to quit in their 1st fight.

Ali had a flair for the dramatic… hence his post fight comments.

Posted February 18, 2014 2:44 am 


spazo

THANK YOU for writing such a great article about my favorite, and I might add, the most underrated HW of all time. Most of his opponents towered over him. He was usually listed at 5′ 11″ and about 205 lbs, but in reality he was more like 5′ 9″ and 200 lbs soaking wet and he STILL beat the crap out of the bigger man. And, if you watch his fights closely you will see that he basically never blocked a punch. He either ducked it, slipped it or took it because he was always on the offensive. His only losses, if I am not mistaken were to Ali, regarded by most as the best HW ever, and to big George, the heaviest puncher ever. And he was not exactly in his prime during those fights being nearly blind in one eye and arthritic. As for my list of the best ever I have him ranked 4th behind Jack Johnson and the two men who beat him, Ali and Foreman. Thanks again for the great article.

Posted February 18, 2014 12:08 am 


Twin

Alll respect r.i.p smoking joe good article

Posted February 17, 2014 11:48 pm 


spartacus65

Well said Lion Hard. Mr. Joe Frazier will always be a champion in my eyes. A champion in the ring and a champion in life. There is no doubt Frazier had he plied his trade today, would be a champion. No allow me to rephrase that. He would be THE heavyweight champion. I have genuine regard and respect for the Klitchsko brothers but neither of these men have faced a fighter that comes remotely close to the pressure that Frazier brought and the heat seeking missles he threw. Cheers

Posted February 17, 2014 7:34 pm 


lionhard

You said it Hec Dog! Frazier was a CLASS ACT!! He definitely didnt deserve those disparaging remarks from Ali, because he came from humbler beginnings than Ali. Frazier carried that grudge for as long as he cared to talk about the details of their relationship. Nevertheless, he was from a hardworking blue collar family that did come from humbling beginnings….the last of 13 kids that ended up on the top of the world – thru AMBITION, hard work & dedication!!!!

Posted February 17, 2014 7:02 pm 


robert

Bob and weave style of Frazier would be too tough for wlad, best weapon to beat Joe Was uppercuts, steward didn’t learn to wlad how to throw them.

Posted February 17, 2014 6:19 pm 


spartacus65

Bob, good day. I must concur with you on that. As much as I respect Frazier and hold him in the highest regard, that is the SAME punch I envision a PRIME Kevin Rooney trained Tyson catching Joe with. Joe was always a slow starter. He needed a few rounds in the bank so to speak before he got “smoking”. Tyson was a fast starter who in those days actually had stamina to burn.People forget that.Tyson was also accurate as a snipers bullet with his strikes and delivered his compact,speedy punches with full leverage. I go back to when Joe faced Oscar Bonavena for the first time and was dropped by a sneaky counter right from the Argentinian. Fraziers grit and Oscars lack of follow up accuracy, allowed Joe to get right up and do what he did best. Beat the stuffing out of Oscar. I see no such luxury with the likes of a prime fighting machine and finisher like the two fisted machine that was Tyson.Joe gets buzzed, he will stay so. Tyson ftom 1987-1990 just prior to the slip up against Douglas was a virtualman slayer.

Posted February 17, 2014 6:07 pm 


spartacus65

Bobo Olson, Good day Sir. You are very correct in your outlook in regards to Ali having a bitter pill to swallow by accepting financial assistance from Frazier. Ali was a man of various personalities but the predominant one was his lack of humility. His arrogance.His verbal attacks through the social media of that time were very personal and mean spirited.Because he was a charismatic individual he was able to influence a lot of frustrated and gullible African Americans into belittling Frazier at every turn and labeling him as a Uncle Tom. Many white liberals surprisingly as well joined in this character assassination of a truly decent man. Ferdie Pacheco to this day has STILL refered to Frazier in the most vulgar of Racist terms by comparing Frazier to a simian.It never occurred to any of these men the residual damage these types of daggers caused for Fraziers family. It was here we had the chance to see the TRUE Ali. Not a very flattering picture.Cheers.

Posted February 17, 2014 5:36 pm 


spartacus65

Good day Hecdog. Very well said about Frazier my friend.You essentially nailed it soldier.Peace and strength.

Posted February 17, 2014 5:21 pm 


dwc

The 1967 fight of the year Frazier vs Jerry Quarry was a great fight.Both guys looked in great shape and threw punches like welterweights…very exciting,and great heart from both guys…

Posted February 17, 2014 2:15 pm 


Swedish Boxing Fan

Floyd Money Mayweather – Well At least Joe Frazier is rememberd with good words and a remembeble legacy, that is something “Greedy Boy” Floyd Mayweather Jr will never be.

Posted February 17, 2014 11:08 am 


boule

If Frazier were born in this era, with the hormones and steroids farms put in milk, meat, etc, he would be 25lbs heavier and 1 inch taller.

Average adult Americans are about one inch taller, but nearly a whopping 25 pounds heavier than they were in 1960, according to a new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

The report, Mean Body Weight, Height, and Body Mass Index (BMI) 1960-2002: United States, shows that the average height of a man increased from just over 5’8″ in 1960 to 5’9½” in 2002. Meanwhile, the average weight for men rose dramatically from 166.3 pounds in 1960 to 191 pounds in 2002.

Posted February 17, 2014 10:57 am 


Rich

Great quote from my man Joe….Ali was peppering Joe with fast jabs and saying “what you doin here boy…don’t you know I’m a God…Joe dipped and threw a big left..”well God, you in the wrong place tonight”as Ali’s arse hit the canvas ……Joe always knew how to bring it…….

Posted February 17, 2014 7:43 am 


BLUESMAN

@ Floyd Money Mayweather: Well you can’t take any of that with you, my friend. I couldn’t care less if you’re the real Floyd Mayweather Jr or not. Joe Frazier was a great person and an all-time top-ten heavyweight, enda story!!!!!!!

Posted February 17, 2014 2:11 am 


badger

I think Joe would be a cruiserwt today.

Posted February 16, 2014 11:44 pm 


Tony1244

If there had been quit in a Quarry then maybe the real Jerry Quarry may be writing here.

Posted February 16, 2014 10:49 pm 


Floyd Money Mayweather

Frazier who? He was a bum. He ain’t undefeated like me. He ain’t rich like me. How many PPVs did he sell? How many ways are there to beat him? How much money did he make? I’m the greatest that ever lived. The name is Money Mayweather ya dig?

Posted February 16, 2014 10:15 pm 


tom

Nice article!
I enjoyed the read and will probably do some more reseaarch on SJF.

Posted February 16, 2014 9:08 pm 


Jab

Smokin Joe Frazier! Boy is that going back. Frazier was trained by Yancey “Yank” Durham who brought in Eddie Futch, who was one of most respected trainers in boxing. Frazier won the heavyweight title during Ali’s 3 and 1/2 year suspension from boxing. When Ali returned to the ring it was like no one could wait for the “FIGHT OF CENTURY,” or whenever they fought. Back then it was about the best fighting the best to determine the best!

It wouldn’t be right if something wasn’t said about the trainers of that time. I’m talking trainers in addition to Durham and Futch like Ray Arcel, Freddy Brown, Angelo Dundee, and so many others. They taught fighters things you just don’t see in fighters today. Don’t tell those trainers a fighter was unbeatable, they would kick out of their gym.

Posted February 16, 2014 9:03 pm 


Thurmal Underwear

sharp as a razor…

Posted February 16, 2014 8:29 pm 


Hec Dog

One of the great warriors that came to fight each and every time. His bobbing and weaving, and that great left hook always kept him in the fight. A class person that treated people with respect. Short in stature, but he had the biggest fighting heart. There are very few fighters with the dedication and work ethic that “Smokin” Joe Frazier had. He will always be missed.

Posted February 16, 2014 7:42 pm 


The Facts !

There are no words to describe Smoky Joe Frazier ..he had the heart of a lion ..But he is not rated to high on the All Time Greatest Heavy Weights ..Some experts don’t even have him in the top Ten ..But i’ll always admire Smoky Joe for his guts and determination in the square circle .

Posted February 16, 2014 7:20 pm 


Brazilian Boxing Fan

Frazier was a great fighter. I was very happy for him when he beat Muhammad Ali.

Posted February 16, 2014 6:21 pm 


Bo Bo Olson

The first fight was ‘live’ in movie theaters. In Sacramento, I was a lone white boy in a sea of black, who hated Frazer. “Whop him Joe!” got me some hard looks and harder words, till I said Archy was my man, and I hated Clay since Moore fell in 4 and not in 2 or 3…and he’d shown no respect bedeviling my man Archy. When Clay landed on his ass, the few hollars of hurray, were sort of small for a full theater of Frazier haters.
Suger Ray’s punch on Fulmer was a tad better, but I was ever so happy. It was one tough fight, and that one punch did the trick.
I don’t remember the round break downs which I don’t think were done in the papers back then….
However how tall, how wide the chest, waist, neck, fist, reach, thigh, calf, forearm and bicep, was then normal for any Championship fight back when we mostly only had one, in 8 divisions.
The last I remember seeing was Holms vs Ali.
Sure helped getting the bet right….it’s sure missing today, when they don’t even tell how tall the fighters are, much less the reach…reach, a full inch is ever so big.

Joe, had helped support Ali, when Ali was stripped and could not fight. That was why Ali hated Joe. That charity was too much and too often a bitter pill.

Posted February 16, 2014 5:25 pm 


Patrick Dempsey

Hi!

Posted February 16, 2014 5:24 pm 


Xavier

Joe Frazier made up part of the greatest HW era ever, alongside Ali, Foreman, Norton, Quarry, Ellis etc. He fought almost everyone there was worth fighting and what’s more, engaged in some true classic rivalries, as we know. Ali x 3, Foreman x 2, Quarry x 2. God bless the man.

Posted February 16, 2014 5:22 pm 


Anonymous

Thought you were dead Jak!

Posted February 16, 2014 5:15 pm 


jack dempsey

joe was about in a great era.today its just a joke.

Posted February 16, 2014 5:10 pm 


CurlyQ.Howard

That the media of the greater part of Joe’s lifetime not only tolerated but also accepted and in fact courted Ali’s racist and hate filled diatribe directed against Joe Frazier was something that I could not then and still to this day cannot understand. Joe Frazier was comfortable in his skin; he didn’t need to be somebody else – and that this was unacceptable to Ali precisely diminished Ali as a person – showing him to be exactly the wrong person to be held as an icon of the sporting world. Thank you ESB for this article as it helps to know that at least now, Joe Frazier’s memory is receiving some of the respect which he so assuredly earned and deserved during his lifetime.

Posted February 16, 2014 5:09 pm 


bruce

billy silly medals. people are talking about a real legend here.unlike those fat bums you watched last night.

Posted February 16, 2014 5:03 pm 


BILLY NO MEDALS ALL AMERICAN BOY

we got new name for loads of names Anonymous lads!!! BUMER bruce!! he got more faces than the town hall clock!

Posted February 16, 2014 4:59 pm 


BILLY NO MEDALS ALL AMERICAN BOY

stick to mr Anonymous bruce it suits you!!!

Posted February 16, 2014 4:54 pm 


BILLY NO MEDALS ALL AMERICAN BOY

unlike you bruce!!your a bum bruce

Posted February 16, 2014 4:53 pm 


Prof Konje

Thank you for a wonderful article about a wonderful professional fighter. Joe Frazier was one of those champions whose mission was to destroy his opponent. It’s ironic that the article should appear today as I was thinking of Frazier yesterday as I watched the Chisora fight. If Chisora’s opponent had been Joe Frazier, there would no place for Chisora to come forward because Joe would have been across the ring to meet him head-on as soon as Chisora got off of his stool. Being from Philadelphia, Frazier was special to me and all of the boxing fans from Philly which is a real “fight town.” God Bless Joe.

Posted February 16, 2014 4:33 pm 


Swedish Boxing Fan

“Smoking” Joe Frazier, former undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, 1964 Olympic heavyweight gold medalist, Hall of Fame great, fought the best of his era etc.

There are much to be said about “Smoking” Joe, but all is mostly good things. He was a brave warrior in the ring and ducked no one. He knocked out stronger and bigger opponents then himself and was a great sportsman.

He was a family man and worked hard to support wife and children. He was a great man outside the ring and deserves all respect.

Just sad that Mohhamad Ali always litteraly stole all the scene light from Joe and humiliated Joe Frazier so bad in public for years that that alone made me lost a lot of respect for Ali and not until the
“Thrilla in Manilla” fight Ali finaly changed his mind and gave Joe the credit he deserved when spitting out lots of blood after taking so many hard hitts to the liver and body for 13 rounds.

That fight could and should have been to Joe Frazier as he could even with no eye view have knocked Ali out. Why? Becouse Ali was done and could barely stand on his own after 13 rounds and all Frazier had to do was landing a good shot and Ali would have went down in pure exhustion, but nope, they had to give Ali a TKO win and that is bulls#it.

Joe Frazier will always be rememberd as one of the greatest heavyweights of all times.

Posted February 16, 2014 4:10 pm 


’76 Olympic Team

Joe was my favorite HW of all. I once saw him sing on a TV show and he had a d*mn good voice too…I think it was Joe & the Knockouts.

Posted February 16, 2014 4:08 pm 


bruce

a great fighter. and a great man.

Posted February 16, 2014 3:27 pm 


spartacus65

Good day. Yes Jonn. THAT was classic Frazier going about his business annihilating Bob Foster. That final hook Frazier threw and connected on had me momentarily convinced he had broke Fosters neck!

Posted February 16, 2014 2:45 pm 


spartacus65

I would also add thank you sir for an article that is welcome breath of fresh air from.the countless articles about Ahmir Khan, Floyd Mayweather Junior and the merry go round columns touting Mayweather and the Pacquiao soap opera. My gratitude. Cheers

Posted February 16, 2014 2:36 pm 


spartacus65

Sir that was to put it in the most direct terms, a FANTASTIC write up. Never has a fighter been more deserving of praise than smoking Joe Frazier. The epitome of what a fighter and a fighters heart embodied. On top of that Mr. Frazier was an even better man. He was under appreciated by most media forums when he was alive and in his fistic prime due in part to his natural conservative nature and also the averbic and foul verbal abuse from his rival Muhammad Ali who lost no opportunity when possible to denigrate and dehumanize Frazier. The media at that time was also complicit in this social tragedy. Joe was a MAN and he will always be remembered as such by those who really appreciated him. Thank you sir for a truly exceptional piece on an truly exceptional fighter and human being. Cheers

Posted February 16, 2014 2:27 pm 


Tony1244

Frazier was a great fighter a truly great fighter.

Posted February 16, 2014 2:18 pm 


RapidFire

Wow..great article man

Posted February 16, 2014 2:18 pm 


Ahurath

What a great article to honour one of the greats of the past. If fraizer had fought today he would been on top of the world.

Posted February 16, 2014 2:08 pm 


Bo Bo Olson

Joe was blind in his right eye, and hid it. That explained why his once good right hand was not used much towards the end. And why with only one eye closed his left, the towel was thrown…he was blind and could not see at all for the 15th round and last round at Manila.

Posted February 16, 2014 1:45 pm 



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