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TARK

The Seahawks have one HELL of an offense to go with their league leading defense.

Posted February 21, 2014 3:27 am 


studly

Wladimar has the ko’s and he has tremendous power, but he uses his defense to set it all up. Many have tried for years but cant get past the defense and he picks them apart and softens them up and puts them away. Sometimes he strays and totally destroys like he did to ray Austin, but he always lets his defense set up his offense. Hate him for not taking chances but hes been unbeatable.

Posted February 20, 2014 10:10 pm 


Havoc

This article pisses me off. You can’t win in defense alone. To score you need offense. To win is to score more points than the other opponents. Why can’t be a good fighter have a great offense and a great defense. Why does defense wins championship and offense wins games. You don’t make sense mr. Writer! I say good offense and good defense at the same time wins back to back to back to back championships. Just like Jordan’s Chicago bulls!

Posted February 19, 2014 3:46 pm 


Anonymous

I don’t know where you do your betting but Denver were never a 4-1 favourite going into the superbowl. In fact if you’re just betting on the win, not score or scorers etc. it’s very very rare to get 4-1 on ANY team in a match with only two teams involved.

Posted February 19, 2014 6:22 am 


BEARS

mccall dropped lewis like a sack of ootatoes the stoppage was legit. the rematch was not a real fight. mccall had a mental breakdown in the ring. historical in a sense. lewis never really avenged that mccall loss.

floyd like vitaly klitschko has anawesome plus/minus ratio but vitaly stands apart. vitaly is a total offensive fighter while floyd is a total deffensive fighter. vitaly takes all the risk and throws all the punches and pretty much has the best stoppage % in heavy history. to do that at heavy where one punch can really change it all is really special statistically. its still a good stat for for floyd and what impresses me most but its coming by way of deffense of running. and the plus minus ratio has to be easier from that style as opposed to coming forward attacking and pressing the fight and knocking cats out

Posted February 19, 2014 6:02 am 


BEARS

floyds deffense is shining against sub par comp or kids that have been handicapped into being sub par comp. u have to ask whi did he fight that required him to have a good deffense? the answer is a resounding noone. we should be talking about floyds offense against the comp he has faced

Posted February 19, 2014 5:54 am 


punch

Lewis underestimated Rahman and wanted to prove his loss was a fluke which was evident in their rematch. As regards Mccall Lewis contested the stoppage as being too premature. Once again Pacman and Marquez earlier fight were close and declaring a winner was always controversial going into their 4th fight they both knew a knockout was the only way of proving who the better man was. Your cherrypicking fights to sell your lame argument.

Posted February 19, 2014 5:49 am 


Boxing barlow

Offense wins games? How can offending people win you games? The writer does know the opposite of defense is attack?

Posted February 19, 2014 5:47 am 


BEARS

if only kovalev had beaten the guerreros ortizs baldomirs post retired oscars and washed mosleys and washed up gattis. nevermind his stoppage rate and relentlessness and winning all the rounds. wait! nevermind what? cant do that. were objective boxing fans not nuthuggers. punch i think u identify with the later son.

it would follow suit that u toungue bathe ward too. u must be dismissed as a run of the mill nuthugger nothing more nothing less. dont worry your kind is thriving on these threads in abundance.

Posted February 19, 2014 5:45 am 


punch

If Cleverly is the yardstick by which you rate kovalev as the indomitable force what else can I add but the fact that I’m in awe of his level of competition. Please give it a rest you just can’t be taken seriously.

Posted February 19, 2014 5:38 am 


BEARS

with that logic there should be no rematch of lewis mccall or lewis rahman. or shmelling vs louis because in ONE fight there was a “conclusive” outcome. of course this list goesnon and on in the annals of boxing history but punch is ready to say ” eh it was conclusive, nothing else to see here”

your an idiot dude. thank god u have no influence on boxing

Posted February 19, 2014 5:30 am 


BEARS

kovalev has not fought anyone of world status!? he smoked cleverly at cleverlys house with clevs ref. dominated and krushed a guy who had never been either at his house. a dude who wasted nard trashkins recent opponent murat years before. kovalev became champ. kovalev literally has taken lives in the ring (not cool just sayin) smoked that champ and has adonis running talking other names and nard WOULD NEVER CONSIDER fighting a beast like that lest he get murda’ed too. if cleverly is not world class who did floyd fight that was? baldomir? ortiz ? guerrero? your garbage dude! gtfo

Posted February 19, 2014 5:25 am 


punch

If Floyd dominated pacman the way he dominated Marquez, there will be no need for a rematch. The fights between Marquez and Pacman had always been closed hence the need for rematches but the last fight was conclusive and no one should argue with that.

Posted February 19, 2014 5:24 am 


punch

@bears go see a doctor, it’s beginning to show.

Posted February 19, 2014 5:20 am 


BEARS

if u cant beat someone in 5 fights something is wrong. who dropped who more oacman or jmm? oh thats right. if pac fought floyd 4 or 5 times how many kos would he have? again styles mak fights and its irrelevant what happens in pac vs jmm becausenoac dispatched pretty much every other common opponent better and faster with supperior efficiency, what say u scrotum breath? or do u just default to whatever u can to paint floyd in a postive light feebly and unsuccessfully failing to take into account the whole ball of wax?

Posted February 19, 2014 5:19 am 


punch

I meant”out of whack” if you couldn’t figure it out

Posted February 19, 2014 5:17 am 


BEARS

personally im tired of floyd and his non fighting the best matchup, the second best, or even the third best. the teality shown when he had to boil the kid canelo down saying before negotioations he would bever do such a thing give me a fighter at their best weight. you dude, are a floyd nuthugger not an objective fight fan. objective fight fans hold floyd accountable, nuthuggers regurgitate ellerbe tripe like “if they managment stupid enough to sign the catchweight…. blah blah ebonics ebonics”

essentially if canelo is stupid enough to get 12 million dollars. i think were all that stupid. floyd exploited canelo through the loot. oh well. the objective fan see the reality and canelo got paid. just too bad the fraud perpetuates. too bad fraud is not thrown into a ufc type system where his demands would mean nothing and he get a fraction if the loot for the highest risk. u wish that on a guy who abuses the system like fraud mayweather. its called abuse not business sense son. any fight fan should see that

Posted February 19, 2014 5:16 am 


punch

Yet Marquez was able to beat pacman and Kovalev hasn’t fought anyone of world status yet. Digressing from the premise of your argument shows it lacks weight and substance that’s why you settle for insult which shows your character is out of wack. If everything depends on how good a fighter is, why then do you suggest a good offence beat a good defence? There are too many variables to consider but your suggestion is superficial and untenable.

Posted February 19, 2014 5:16 am 


BEARS

its concessions canelo was forced to make to make the fight. he should not have had to make any. he was unified champ but floyd started with “make 147″ can u even believe that? me neither.

height? weight? reach? that being an advantage depends on how good u were or are. look at mike tyson and joe frazier look at haye. i have never seen a deffense that can endure relentlesness of a prime pacman or a serg kovalev. yeah u can run but nobody in their right mind is praising a runner and sadly thats half of mays gAme. but really mayweather has never been in the ring with anyone that was big risk. he even had to handicapp the kid canelo. i dont hild that anti climatic bout against canelo and it does not bode well for mayweather in my book. fry a 23 year ild kid before he enters the ring and act like it was his doing. are u stupid or just learning disabled. “they agreed” as though it admonishes fraud may. your a fool son. plum fool. NEXT

Posted February 19, 2014 4:46 am 


punch

I left out speed and power which are deciding factors in any fight but having the frame to deliver them is equally important. Food for thought.

Posted February 19, 2014 4:37 am 


punch

@bears I thought I’d leave your comment unanswered but your suggestion that a good offence beats a good defence holds true, if the offensive fighter has a reach advantage, height advantage and also a weight advantage and that’s according to your statement. Have you given the fact that a level playing field could only be attained if all the physical attributes of the fighters were identical?And in such a scenario a good defence has an equal chance of beating a great offence. However, the essence of mastering a good defence is to exploit the chances and openings that present themselves when an opponent attacks you. A great defensive fighter knows his style is also meant to lure his opponent into a trap not only to avoid punches. Your rant about Floyd only shows how butthurt you are and Canelo said he was willing to come done in weight so don’t blame Floyd for Canelo making a stupid concession to get the biggest money fight in his career.

Posted February 19, 2014 4:32 am 


Ray Ray

Name of the game is 2 hit and not b hit. I teach the 12yrs and under kids defence 1st. Last thing u want is 2 throw a young kid in there with other kids who have superior boxing/offensive skills. If a youngster can @least defende him self that’s a good start? Last thing u want is a kid 2 get belted and lost 2 the sport 4ever. The offence part will come easy 2 them if they no how 2 avoid damage? That’s just my opinion. In a perfect world u want a kid 2 learn all aspects and b compitant in all aspects? Defence, offence, foot work, head movement, good power & speed. ( in a perfect world that is?)

Posted February 19, 2014 3:35 am 


Stark

The best defense is a good offense. Case in point – Aaron Pryor

Posted February 19, 2014 3:20 am 


BEARS

seattles win had nothing to do with their quarterback. whoever said that below. last year it was a quarter back firing on all cylinders named joe flacco that really drove it home all through the playoffs to the superbowl. now theres a run u can attribute to an offense and zero in on the quarterback to attribute the credit to. though i vehemently dislike the ravens.

there are offenses that just cannot be nullified with deffenses. floyd has not faced cery dynamic fighters in fact he has not faced guys that were very much taller than him like a williams or a trout. at heavyweight if u rely on deffense against a klitschko they will batter u behind that deffense and punch right through your guard. u would have to look a fool like ibragimov runnimg all night not scoring. who is praising that deffense. deffense is not generally praised in boxing and for good reason. if your getting by on deffense your opposition must be lacking. maybe cause u handicapped them with bs catchweights of 152 in a 154 pound title fight and they dont have the stamina to press the action and make it a dog fight. cause your boy floyd is scared of a 23 year old kid named canelo. so u got a good deffense against a handicapped kid and the guerreros ortizs and baldomirs of the world. who gives a f***

Posted February 19, 2014 2:49 am 


BEARS

styles contrast in different ways. there were teams that beat seattle u would not think would have. there is always someone in the world that can beat u. always someone that has your card. no matter if your floyd or who you are. dont forget u have to score to win and that requires offense in boxing.

Posted February 19, 2014 2:39 am 


empty spring

it just depends on the offense and deffense. this is not always true. styles contrast. seattle got beat by some teams this year you would not think they wouldhave. there are offenses that can get to them. there is always someone out there that can get you. it does not matter if your floyd or who you are.

Posted February 19, 2014 2:36 am 


Havoc

Football is different from Boxing.

Posted February 19, 2014 1:46 am 


Ray Ray

Still makes me laugh when I read things like (Sergio is going 2 run v Cotto because that’s the only way he can win?) ha ha ha it’s called boxing not punching. If he mans up and go’s toe 2 toe he will lose? Ha ha ha. U do what u have 2 2 get the win. @ the end of the day that’s what will b judged. As much as a spectacular knock out is good 2 watch, winning pays the bills and keeps the cash coming in. Apart from that Sergio has been in with bigger guys than Cotto? If u think he punches harder than Chavez or Pavlic than u really don’t understand boxing….there’s weight classes 4 a reason.

Posted February 19, 2014 1:38 am 


Ray Ray

True in every sport….I always thought the quote was more like ( offence sells tickets, defence wins c’ships). Still a good article, no bias. Nice

Posted February 19, 2014 1:31 am 


Nappy Dugout

I just dumped a big Tark all over my SRedmond poster . Man this alleyway is crawling with rabid TeTumbos and Bears …….

As for the author , just another neophyte fanboy of the twitter warrior aka Fraud Duckweather jr……

Posted February 19, 2014 12:53 am 


Anonymous

Floyd Mayweather Jr is not the correct balance of offense /defense. Floyd Jr is way too defensive. To find a guy who is a great balance of both, you might have to go back in time. Like SRR or something

Posted February 18, 2014 11:25 pm 


The Prince

It takes a correct balance of defense and offense. The Seahawks had a great defense, but they also had a good enough offense to capitalize and win; starting with a short, agile, quarterback who’a fast and hard to sack, and can throw the ball accurately. Floyd Mayweather Sr. was an example of a fighter who was too defensive and didn’t provide enough offense. Roger Mayweather, was an example of a fighter that used too much offense, and not enough defense to protect his weak chin. Interestingly enough, Roger had the better career, because he fought a lot of Mexican’s that also relied on offense over defense, resulting in many slugfest. Floyd Mayweather Jr. is the correct balance of both fighters with near genius ring IQ.

Posted February 18, 2014 10:33 pm 


PEEJ

Thurmal Underwear, can I take your balls in my mouth and massage them with my tongue please?

Posted February 18, 2014 10:20 pm 


floyd is funny

Badger@ u ere right about canelo never showed any cojones and he looked tired by the fith round not only that he had no game plan

Posted February 18, 2014 10:02 pm 


Cee

Cotto would take Canelo to school and would give the kid a beaten! SM is going to run the whole fights like a little girl that’s the only way he would win the fight! If he mans up and fight cotto will break him even though he his the smaller fighter!

Posted February 18, 2014 8:21 pm 


Anonymous

What a load of bullshiit. This guy’s football analogy if false. Because you can score points with a great defense in football by getting touch backs, and return the ball for touchdowns with interceptions, and fumbles. A great defense is an aggressive and attacking defense. But Slipping punches, ducking punches and catching punches doesn’t score you any points. You can’t attack or be aggressive by slipping, ducking, and catching punches. Countering isn’t a defensive move, is an offensive one. This guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He acts as if offense and defense are mutually exclusive. You can have a balanced offense and defense. Every NFL team strives for that, but can’t afford it. A boxer can achieve a balanced offense and defense of be works at it. This guy has been watching too much Berto and Ortiz fights.

Posted February 18, 2014 7:36 pm 


eric

Wladmir klitschko doesn’t have a great chin yet he has not lost in many year’s.

Kevin Johnson has no offence and he often looses his fights.

Offensive/defensive fighters are going to be the best Ofcourse, but even just offensive fightesr can be a champion, ruslan the Russian proved that.

Ali layed on the ropes taking a beating yet boxed masterfully aswell, carl froch has average boxing skills but his heart, will, chin and hunger allowed him to beat guy’s on paper he was supposed to lose to.

The hurt game is very diverse, not just one attribute can be the defining example of the best boxer.
!

Posted February 18, 2014 7:29 pm 


Meredith

So,,,you’re saying that rigo,may weather,lara and some others,are doing what they need to perfect the craft?…
Then ,Canelo talking about avoiding lara ,because he wanted a “toe to toe”fight against another mexican,becomes invalid,as in fact he’s going to do,what cubans and other goods boxers (not just brawlers)do.
So mexicans fans,call movement running,and that’s what canelo will try to incorporate to his decants skills?.
So,we have to reevaluate facts then.

Posted February 18, 2014 7:14 pm 


te tumbo

whether it be offense or defense, execution is what wins it all. it’s what makes Mayweather unbeatable. his ability to execute prepared and even improvised fight-plans with poise and precision.

Posted February 18, 2014 7:07 pm 


Thurmal Underwear

PEEJ

You are most definitely wrong. Floyd was landing the cleaner punches while Canelo wasn’t landing much at all. Floyd stood right in front of him and was hitting him jabs and right hands. You can tell because you could see Canelos head being knocked back. Sorry but that fight was not even close.
Posted February 18, 2014 4:00 pm

^NEVER be sorry for speaking the truth.

Posted February 18, 2014 7:00 pm 


badger

canelo had no machismo,like hatton did.

Posted February 18, 2014 6:57 pm 


badger

canelo is no hatton that tried. Hatton was good, but canelo just wanted his easy$$. forgot his fans.

Posted February 18, 2014 6:57 pm 


Boxtradamus

sweet_scientist-EXACTLY. As I SAID. Defense keeps you IN the Fight. SO without Defense you’ll be knocked OUT of the Fight. But without Offense you won’t WIN. Kevin Johnson and Joshua Clottey agree with ME on that.

Posted February 18, 2014 5:29 pm 


powerhands

Well said author.

Posted February 18, 2014 5:13 pm 


PEEJ

Yeah I did. Unfortunately the body punches werent really landing with any regularity. Plus he was doing it in spurts. Floyd actually kept the pressure on Canelo and it was steady pressure. No he was not overwhelming Canelo with punches but he pretty much threw his average amount of punches per round which is or around the mid 40 punches a round. So Floyd had affective aggression while Canelo just had aggression at times.

Posted February 18, 2014 4:10 pm 


yo

Peej, you are right.

Floyd did land cleaner, but he rarely threw.

Canelo did most of his work to the body…

Did you see floyd as being the more active fighter?

Posted February 18, 2014 4:04 pm 


PEEJ

You are most definitely wrong. Floyd was landing the cleaner punches while Canelo wasn’t landing much at all. Floyd stood right in front of him and was hitting him jabs and right hands. You can tell because you could see Canelos head being knocked back. Sorry but that fight was not even close.

Posted February 18, 2014 4:00 pm 


yo

Someone please school me if I am wrong.

I just watched mayeather vs canelo…

And I agree with the judge who called it a draw.

Mayweather hardly threw any punches.

Alvarez wasn’t effective, but he was the only one pushing the action.

I believe that fight was a draw, and mayweather simply won vased off his name.

If I am wrong, someone please enlighten me.

Posted February 18, 2014 3:57 pm 


Brazilian Boxing Fan to Stark

Rocky Marciano was 32 years old when he retired.

Posted February 18, 2014 3:56 pm 


Stark

Jack – not everyone can be a Marciano. That’s what makes him special. Didn’t he retire early. Do u know how old he was?

Posted February 18, 2014 3:41 pm 


Stark

Defensive boxers – mayweather, rigondeaux, Ward, Martinez. They also have significant power because the best defense is a good offense. Prime Tyson was defensive with the peek a boo style.

Posted February 18, 2014 3:39 pm 


jack dempsey

why waltz a guy around for 15 rounds when you can knock him out in one. rocky marciano.

Posted February 18, 2014 3:36 pm 


sweet_scientist

Boxtra, you’re correct, but in the LONG run up to a Championship if you don’t have DEFENSE you’ll never make it to a championship fight, you’ll take several BEATINGS and never make it…

Posted February 18, 2014 3:31 pm 


Boxtradamus

In Boxing Defense keeps you IN the Fight but Offense WINS the Fight.

Posted February 18, 2014 3:17 pm 


PEEJ

The one thing about being a good defensive fighter is that if you don’t have a decent chin then you still won’t win that championship. You are gonna eventually get hit, now it is whether you can take the hit or not.

Posted February 18, 2014 2:57 pm 


CurlyQ.Howard

This is a boxing website; don’t ever mention football here.

Posted February 18, 2014 2:39 pm 


big moe

Enter pacnuts, floyd and Ward haterz in 3…2….1…

Posted February 18, 2014 1:51 pm 



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