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Lomachenko over rated hyped european bum

Posted March 4, 2014 1:39 pm 


boxing barlow

Lol at all the talk of this fight being too soon. I’m soooo fed up of people attitudes towards the careers of boxers. He lost, maybe some more experience in the pro game would have helped. But so what! What better experience can you get than a world title shot. What’s the point in beating up bums. Everyone bangs on about boxers like they are china dolls who should be handled with such care and brought on slowly. Like their careers are a painting which needs to be gradually added to layer by layer and that one false brush stroke and they a wrecked forever. God help any fighter that looses their precious ’0′. If you listen to guys on here a loss or two and a fighter is either ‘exposed’ ‘washed up’ ‘should retire’ etc etc. Lomo was a top amateur fighter and still has a very good chance of becoming a top pro. The experience he gained in this fight with Solido will help him in the future and there’s absolutely no reason he wont bounce straight back. These attitudes are what stops great fights happening.

Posted March 4, 2014 10:59 am 


The oracle of Delphi

Lomo deserves respect for a valiant effort, Salido deserves criticism for unfairness, Cole deserves being let go for corruptness and/or incompetence, te tumbo deserves a stupidity awards for being an idiot, end of story.

Posted March 4, 2014 7:44 am 


Haimat

Great article!

Posted March 4, 2014 3:07 am 


BOXING ART

Lomachenko did well and will be around for a while; Salido looks on his way out unless he plans to go up to 147 and try his luck there.

Posted March 4, 2014 2:23 am 


Anonymous

You guys are idiots. lol….low blows, dirty ref, end of story. Even then the kid almost ended the clearly heavier Salido in the 12th. You will decry the unfairness of boxing when your guy gets the wrong end, but then call it part of the game when he gets the win. Lomo never complained about anything. As far as I’m concerned, a fighter with a meaningless planned out ’0′ in his record is nothing compared to a kid who almost took a title after so little pro experience. Boxing fans are the worst…

Posted March 4, 2014 1:59 am 


te tumbo

Salido looked like a clothes hanger the way Lomachenko draped himself all over him desperately trying to avoid the same inside game that erased that hype-job Lopez from the ranks of elite fighters. fortunately, the veteran Salido knew exactly what to do in a situation where he was being fouled with impunity: foul back. Btw, that judge who scored the bout for Lomachenko should be banned along with Cole for incompetence.

Posted March 4, 2014 1:41 am 


te tumbo

Congratulations to Salido for once again upsetting the fanboy darling and not only taking him to school, but dragging him into the toolshed for a veteran’s welcome to the pros. the only way it could’ve been better is if Salido had done it in his own backyard . . . Bayamon, Puelto Lico.

Posted March 4, 2014 1:37 am 


The oracle of Delphi

Salido and referee Cole are disgusting. Salido hit Lomachenko more than 30 times low. I have never seen a fight with so many intentional low blows. Cole should not be allowed to ref anymore fight, banned for lifetime! Piece of shot!

Posted March 4, 2014 12:58 am 


J. Happenstance

Salido is a joke. He didn’t make weight. Then wore the belt over his shoulder during the post fight interview like he didn’t forfeit it. Ass-clown.

Posted March 3, 2014 9:29 pm 


JJ

Lomachenko got himself a loss that he needn’t have done. He was over confident and didn’t realize the situation he was in fully. That’s a lack of experience. His team and Top Rank/Arum was also at fault in rushing him before his time. Forget the b.s. record time to win a world title, just prepare for a world title fight the RIGHT way. Win a number of bouts, learn the pro game properly and get a good team around him who know the ropes. Terrible ref too!

Posted March 3, 2014 8:17 pm 


Havoc

The games BOXING not PING PONG !!By the sounds of things most of you need to by a years subscription to KEELNIX TISSUES we have ourselves a bunch of girly men on here .

Posted March 3, 2014 7:01 pm 


done deal

Gave Solido no credit for the win. He came in the ring 19 pounds over the weight limit and used dirty veteran tactics to barely pull out a victory. One point deduction swings this fight the other way and it should have happened. Lomachenko should not have left it in there hands but the points deduction was well deserved. Shame on that ref.

Posted March 3, 2014 6:10 pm 


udd

Swedish Boxing Fan : good post.
Luan Krasniqi defeated Wladimir Klitschko in the amateur, and had another very close fight with Wlad. But Luan had litte succes at pro boxing.

Posted March 3, 2014 6:02 pm 


Anonymous

salido. c level at best.

Posted March 3, 2014 5:41 pm 


third world

i said salido would win because he gave up his belt on the scales and would come in huge,and use every trick in the book. thats prize fighting. do what you do until they start taking points away.it was about pride,not a belt.oh,and the kid was the one holding untill the last 2 rounds. suri got a little tired from throwing so many shots to the hip.

Posted March 3, 2014 4:03 pm 


Anonymous

Everyone is missing the glaring point that after 400 amateur bouts Lomachenko did not know anything about how to stop a guy from repeatedly fouling, he repeatedly initiated attacks from way out without a discernable jab to get his way in. Not until round 10 did he get a dominant foot hold in the contest as he allowed Salido to fight his fight and attack him on the inside, which is another worrying aspect, because his style requires him to have an inside game.
The first thing you do is make sure you control the ebb and flow of a match and he did not do this until late on.
I like his long range game when he remembers to use it, but I took time to watch him in the Beijing Olympics and the quality of some of these amateurs is rank, compared to the amateurs of the 80′s and 90′s…
The amateur competition at London 2012 was little more than mediocre, so I’m not surprised he was old manned out of a win.
If he had not listened to that old cnut Bob Arum and had gone about his business and sparred with seasoned vets and got in 10-15 good, learning seasoning 10 and 12 rounders in he would not only have won a world title but kept it for years and grown his legend instead of this so-called two-fight gimmick match.
Bob Arum is fast becoming the career killer for talented fighters. He will probably do the same with double Gold Chinaman Shimming.

Posted March 3, 2014 3:36 pm 


sean

If salido gives him a rematch which I have no doubt he will not. The fight should not be in Texas or with Cole. Loma will beat him in the rematch.

Posted March 3, 2014 3:28 pm 


K-2 Fan

Of course Lomachenko deserves a re match ! This time
hopefully with a referee that knows the difference between
a foul , low blow and a legal punch . Vasyl , learned a valuable lesson from this , watch him adjust in the very next fight , with more body punches .

Posted March 3, 2014 3:00 pm 


sean

Salido did not make weight on purpose. He cheated plan and simple. Lomachenko is a two time gold medalist so yes he deserved the fight and a rematch. At my kickboxing gym after two low blows your done. Salido cheated plan and simple. Chavez GGG lets get it on and have a rematch not texes!

Posted March 3, 2014 2:35 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

3G had been calling out Chavez for about two years before he moved up to Super MW. Jr. has finally accepted the challenge and I commend him for that. The question is whether Jr. can make 160lbs in order to get a shot a the titles. I’m not sure if a catchweight would be a good idea here.

Posted March 3, 2014 2:26 pm 


badger

cole is not a good ref. Remember abrahams “late” punch in the super six. cole misssing knockdown. forgot the name of the guy he boxed.

Posted March 3, 2014 1:20 pm 


PEEJ

No he does not deserve a rematch. First off Salido is moving up. Also he never even earned the right to fight for the title. He needs to earn the right to fight for the title. Now it looks like Gary Russel Jr will be fighting for the title. Against of course TBA. As is all his opponents.

Posted March 3, 2014 12:55 pm 


Titopa

sean – He called GGG out, once GGG is over the death (R.I.P) of his father we’ll see if the fight happens.

Posted March 3, 2014 12:51 pm 


sean

Lomachenko deserves a rematch not in Texas. Salido hit him low all night and was a 147 pounds while Lomancheko was 134.

Posted March 3, 2014 12:44 pm 


sean

Time for chavez Jr to fight a young hungry elite fighter. Can anyone say GGG?!

Posted March 3, 2014 12:41 pm 


Titopa

I gained some respect for Chavez Jr. Mainly with post fight interview, he kept it real and I loved the fact that he called out GGG…we’ll see if the fight happens some time in the future, it may take a while seeing as how GGG just recently lost his father.

Posted March 3, 2014 12:40 pm 


Titopa

Terrible referring across the board in the Salido fight…Loma was holding excessively and Salido was also hitting low excessively, the only difference was Salido’s low blows, most were disguised and done on the opposite side of the ref, but Loma was flat out holding every 5-10 seconds, he had NO answer for the inside game.

Posted March 3, 2014 12:36 pm 


te tumbo

“Oh what a poor boy is [Lomachenko]!” to be exploited by ambitious handlers with no sense of context. otherwise, a tough veteran like Salido always figured to be a baptism of fire for a presumably-talented Lomachenko. although, i saw little if any evidence of the breakaway talent that so many of his cheerleaders insisted would emerge at the pro level. i did see the desperate clinching and grappling of a green and inexperienced opponent, which unfairly stifled the inside punching-game that Salido is notoriously effective at employing. anyway, this was a promotional novelty designed to succeed at Salido’s expense. can’t help but admire Salido’s determination to not abandon his gatekeeper-post without a Fight.

Posted March 3, 2014 10:58 am 


Kid Hammer

Sly ole fox Salido. Hitting on legs is to slow your opponet

down. In most cases the Ref will call on this.

Both deserved a point or two taken away. Loma for holding.

Posted March 3, 2014 10:55 am 


Swedish Boxing Fan

Well, Vasyl Lomachenko, 26 years young with only 1 proffesional fight made, the skills and expearence on that level is very small at PRO level and despite an VERY GREAT amateur career with 2 Olympic Gold medals (2009 Beijing and 2012 London), and 2-time amateur world gold champion (2009 Milan and 2011 Baku) and 1 Silver (2007 Chicago) and as well European Amateur champion (2008 Liverpool). Just super merits!

But all that will not save a boxer when he steps up to fight on the highest level of boxing against a recognised defending PRO world champion.

I give Vasyl Lomachenko all credit in the world for making a great performance with that SD loss at his short PRO time and from here on he can only become better and better in my oppinion and I belive Vasyl Lomachenko will become a world champion in time, but for now he needs to build up his expearence and record with fitting fights and opponents that can help him develop better ring skills.

My trainers and several great ones who have spoken, have always said that no matter what fighter there is, there is still a big diffrence between amateur and proffesional fighting. And some fighters arte better on the other side and vice versa. Most fighters who haves a long amateur career and becomes pro late, just don’t fix the chages they have to do to fit the new level of boxing.

Or other fighters are made better to fight at Pro level then amateur level like Mike Tyson, Bernard Hopkins or Larry Holmes and all these three where not destined for a long or glorius amature career but Hall of Fame Pro’s instead.

Posted March 3, 2014 10:21 am 


PEEJ

Salido had already said before this fight that this was his last time at 126. Said it was too difficult to make. Well after weighing in at 128 apparently it was.

Posted March 3, 2014 10:18 am 


EZ E

Salido landed way TOO MUCH under the belt and Lomo held way TOO MUCH.

Salido will take anything you let him get away with and some. That’s the way he’s always been. But who’s fault is that? hmmm.. Did he PURPOSELY not make the weight?? Was it part of Team Salido’s strategy? Willing to do what it takes to win? hmmm… Maybe. Besides, it’s no secret that he’s been struggling with his weight for a long time.

As for Lomo’s holding, let’s face it, he wasn’t accustomed to fighting opponents of this caliber, strength & experience with such a weight advantage. Under such conditions, fighting on the inside was not the place he wanted to be. Surely he didn’t feel comfortable under this new experience and holding was quite natural. Oh well.. Peace!

Posted March 3, 2014 9:16 am 


Xavier

Laszlo Papp from Hungary won 3 Olympic Gold Medals as well. An all time great of the amateur game.

Posted March 3, 2014 8:49 am 


Xavier

In hindsight, Vasyl wasn’t ready for the title shot against a tough guy like Salido. Lomachenko was 1-0 in recognized pro fights as we know them and also had a handful of World Series of Boxing bouts behind him. He lacked the experience of going 8 rounds,10 rounds in a pro fight. The amateur game IS different, for all the greatness of Loma in the amateurs. You can’t buy experience, in any walk of life. He was overly ambitious in trying for the world record, but that was the gamble he and Top Rank took. I didn’t understand the rush for the record, but they chose it. Great gamble IF it comes off, but it didn’t. He can’t be an undefeated World Champion now. They have to live with that. Now, things ain’t so bad…Loma went the distance, he hurt Salido and made it pretty close. He can come back, but he needs a pro grounding of going some bouts 6 rounds, 8 rounds, 10 rounds He’s a tough kid with a lot of potential and winning this fight with Laurence Cole the referee in charge would have tough with 20 fights behind Loma! There ARE some terrible refs out there, and judges and boxing commissions too…

Posted March 3, 2014 8:46 am 


EZ E

“I don’t want to say anything about the judges. I’m a fighter, and my job is to fight…I’m a straight fighter. I’m clean. I would never fight dirty and throw punches below the belt. I have no excuses. He didn’t make weight, but I thought I could still beat him.”—Vasyl Lomachenko

In all honesty, there are a LOT of elite fighters out there that would’ve been moaning, griping and b*tching under similar circumstances. Lomo showed class & gets my props.

In my years I’ve seen many highly touted amateurs fall short so I wasn’t completely sold on Lomo, but I have to admit that he did surprise me quite a bit. He has great potential. Salido, although not considered an elite champion and who’s reign probably won’t be a long one, basically loses only to the best. Although Lomo didn’t win I STILL consider him a WINNER if you consider that Salido entered the ring a top 5 featherweight in everyone’s rankings and barley won, this being Lomo’a 2nd pro fight, NEVER going more than 5 rounds ever and NEVER against a fighter of Salido’s grit and caliber.

And… PROPS TO SALIDO!! Once again proving the experts wrong.

Posted March 3, 2014 8:34 am 


Jimmy

A Mexican fighter is allowed to low blow, come in 75 lbs over the weight class, and probably pass the urine test despite being an admitted PEDS user in the great state of Texas. Lomachenko’s true lack of experience was allowing his team/Arum to set up the fight in the fixit shop. What a total DISGRACE Texas is. The fight was as rigged as any I’ve ever seen.

Posted March 3, 2014 6:03 am 


Ray Ray

Is it just me or the majority of the time when there’s drama’s or iffy fights its got the Toprank banner above the ring?

Posted March 3, 2014 4:05 am 


Fight Aficionado

Even if they didn’t know English they should’ve berated Cole who was obv paid off. He’d know what they were yelling about and so would other officials. You’ve gotta draw attention to blatant fouls if they’re not being acknowledged by those whose job it is to enforce the rules. If the rules aren’t immediately enforced you tell your fighter to hit him in the balls back. So it becomes a foul fest, forcing the ref to do his job. It’s unfortunate becuase Lomachenko and his camp are in a bad situation now for not breaking the rules and fighting too clean.

Posted March 3, 2014 3:57 am 


Doogle

Lomachenko’s corner should of jumped on the ref. from the very first time. But as they don’t speak a lick of English what do you expect. Lomachenko should of complained more. Would however been the same result Lomachenko fought the wrong fight.

Posted March 3, 2014 3:40 am 


Fight Aficionado

Jim Lampley… threw his own low blow, but this time at Cole by describing him as dreadful. He then reminded viewers that Laurence’s father sits on the commission.” – How is that a low blow? These are facts, not opinions. The only reason Lawrence Cole even has a job is his dad. Cole was suspended for his incompetence before but many believe it’s corruption, not incompetence. I doubt someone who has done one job for 20 years can be this bad at it. The only explanation is he takes bribes.

Posted March 3, 2014 3:39 am 


Ray Ray

Felix Savon is another Cuban heavy who’s accomplishments have Lomachenko covered…..

Posted March 3, 2014 3:26 am 


Ray Ray

There’s 3 guys with 3 Olympic Golds, more amatuer world titles than Lomachenko. Teofilo Stevenson 4 1. Cuban heavyweight who Ali was quoted saying many times would b his toughest fight ever…..

Posted March 3, 2014 3:23 am 


Ray Ray

Soda-Lomachenko is not the best amatuer in history…..hell no. Very good yes, best? No sir.

Posted March 3, 2014 3:13 am 


HitBattousai

Mr. Strauss, as others have stated your article to some extent is that of a person that only saw one side of things on the poor referee work. Salido did land low blows, enough of which to warrant a deduction. He did a lot of them in a crafty manner but even so, to no one’s surprise Cole did a terrible job at catching them. However, Lomachenko did a ridiculous amount of holding for the majority of the fight because he had no answer for Salido’s pressure early, enough of which to warrant a deduction as well, which Cole also did not call. And I have no idea how you could watch the fight and call it for Lomachenko beating Salido rather easily. If you thought he won it close, that’s ok, but Loma barely did anything for the first half of the fight, and what he did do was mostly pitter-patter jab work. Salido rather clearly carried the fight’s first 2/3rds and then Loma made a late run to make the outcome debatable.

Posted March 3, 2014 3:12 am 


soda popinski

as long as im with top rank it wont matter that im 0-0,im sure ill be ranked in the top 10.

Posted March 3, 2014 2:43 am 


soda popinski

if lomo gets a rematch or a title shot again with a record of 1-2, damit im going pro and demanding a title shot with a record of 0-0.

Posted March 3, 2014 2:39 am 


Farmboxer

It does not surprise me at all the European haters claiming that hitting a fighter on the legs, hips, balls, etc., it fine, not to mention hitting on the break many times. If another referee had done the refereeing, Lomachenko would have won the fight. Even with the worst referee in boxing Laurence Cole, Lomachenko still got a split decision. I find it incredible that Lomachenko could stand all those low blows, hitting on the break, then come back and almost knock Salido out. Laurence Cole is a disgrace……………no fighter should ever allow Cole to referee his fights. Cole was not just an idiot, appeared to be on the take, Cole has been this way for years…………….and his father’s connections?

Posted March 3, 2014 2:27 am 


soda popinski

cornhoooooliooooooo

Posted March 3, 2014 2:20 am 


Smart Brit

@ The Great Cornholio …. Who is “loma”?

Posted March 3, 2014 2:17 am 


soda popinski

imagine a rematch and he loses again.with a record of 1-2 i wonder what mind job that would do to him.the best amature in history to biggest bust in boxing history

Posted March 3, 2014 1:20 am 


soda popinski

the only thing here worth mentioning is that lomo is not a pro, yet.why they put him in a championship fight having a record of 1-0 is beyon comprehension.i just hope he doesnt think of a rematch nor less another title shot with a record of 1-1.

Posted March 3, 2014 1:13 am 


Hidalg0

Lomachenko also tied up on the inside because it was not where he wanted to fight. It was clear that he had a particular distance that he wanted to throw his punches from. He always tried to work himself into this position throughout the fight. What we saw was a green professional still fighting like an amateur. We can all go on and on about Salido did this and Salido did that but what’s equally important is what Lomachenko did NOT do. And that’s why Salido was able to beat him.

Posted March 3, 2014 1:07 am 


Hidalg0

Lomachenko is a weak inside fighter so he clinches to stop his opponent. It was his trademark in the amateurs, it’s his trademark early in his professional career.

Posted March 3, 2014 1:03 am 


Hidalg0

“Lomo held early and this was his only rule blemish.”

Sorry, but that’s not true. Vasyl held on a lot throughout the fight after Salido starting working his midsection. I Salido returned the favor in the last two rounds. Watch some of Lomachenko’s amateur fights. He holds a lot when he’s getting assaulted on the inside or when his opponent displays enough power to make him cautious.

Posted March 3, 2014 1:01 am 


WHAT!?!

I will also say that Lomo needs to take some blame as he should of been more active and gone to the body earlier and none of the rubbish refereeing would of mattered. It was a close fight anyway and Lomo may look back at the way he fought and change a few things in future opportunities. He needs to be more aggressive earlier and put rounds in the bank.

Posted March 3, 2014 12:59 am 


WHAT!?!

Lomo held early and this was his only rule blemish. Salido came in overweight, then rehydrated to 5kg or 11lbs heavier than Lomo for fight night, he hit on breaks and after the bell early in the fight, he hung on tighter than a Boa Constrictor at the end of the fight, he hit low all fight. The Ref let it all go. The blatant holding in Round 11 and 12 by Salido was ridiculous. Lomo was using all his strength to try and get his arms free yet the ref didn’t say anything. I was dumbfounded by the lack of discipline installed by the referee, but I guess when the hometown fighter has lined your pockets this happens, especially in Texas, USA. The ref ruined Lomo a piece of history, yet Lomo was all class throughout the farce.

Posted March 3, 2014 12:56 am 


this writer sucks and also a hater

Waste of article didnt deserve a title shot not even with ten fights u gotta work for it lomaklinchko!!!

Posted March 3, 2014 12:35 am 


Hidalg0

“To make matters worse, Orlando would then grab on tight, like he hadn’t seen Vasyl for a long while, and missed him very much”

Let’s not forget all the clinching and holding Lomachenko did. He had no weapons on the inside so he resorted to clinching and held on for dear life until Cole broke them up. Repeatedly.

Posted March 3, 2014 12:35 am 


Zinadine

Lomachenko showed so much “Class” in how he handled things yesterday. The Over-weight and Low Blowing Salido was a disgrace as far as sportsmanship but one of the things Lomachenko learned yesterday, PRO Boxing is a FIGHT and not a Sport and those that are willing to cheat and can get away with it, will. Shame, but that’s the truest representation of what Life is about.

It reminded me of that Game of thrones episode when “Bronn” was fighting in place of Tyrion Lannister for his life against whatever his name was, who fought with “honor” ended up being the one losing while Bronn was left standing in victory.

That said, I really hope Lomachenko can gather himself together, get himself a Pro Trainer to add into his camp, some high quality sparring, and some fights for experience, and go on to win the title because boxing needs more people like him in the sport. You need that balance of “appearance” Good Guy/Bad Guy.

Posted March 3, 2014 12:11 am 


Ray Ray

Arum thinking of himself again…..rookie error putting a guy in with a crafty vet in his 2nd fight….next rookie error letting the fight go ahead after Solido came in heavy….1new cash cow down, I’m sure loma will learn from this. If ur lookn 4 some1 2 blame Arum than look in the mirror.

Posted March 3, 2014 12:07 am 


The Great Cornholio

You must be cross eyed or blind because the one hugging Salido like a long lost lover was Loma. Then later in the fight Salido started landing south, but Loma was doing most of the clinching because he didn’t like Salidos bodyshots. Loma was over doing it with the clinchfest he was smothering Salido.

Posted March 3, 2014 12:03 am 


Boxtradamus

That’s why Floyd is the GOAT and Lomachenko is not.

Posted March 2, 2014 11:59 pm 


Boxtradamus

Beating CHAMPS isn’t as EASY as Floyd makes it LOOK.

Posted March 2, 2014 11:58 pm 



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