Swedish Boxing Fan
Anonymous – Yes my friend, that is true. Life is full of people who don’t wish to be a good sport or act humble or accept they mabey are wrong in something. Yes I have had my battles with people like that many times in my life, but the older I get (and I’m not an old man, but young and enough good educated) I feel like itys not worth using positive energy on people who can’t see more then there eyes reach. I turn the other cheek and leave them there with there bad temrament or bad ignorance, not my problem and not my loss.
Thanks again for your kind concern and advice ;-)Posted March 15, 2014 9:02 pm
Hopkins is the Greatest. Kovalev is crapPosted March 15, 2014 2:45 pm
Anonymous – Where was Mike McCallum in 96′ and 97′ when Calzaghe hit the top? Eubank and Collins were legit targets, as they were the best Super Middles at the time. Maybe Benn too, as he was still a big name even though faded.Posted March 15, 2014 10:30 am
@Anonymous – WRONG there- Hopkins ducked Calzaghe TWICE. Thomas Tate, Frank Liles, Steve Collins and Tarick Salmaci all pulled out with ”injuries”, Sven Ottke serially ducked Calzaghe, William Joppy turned down a fight. Glenn Johnson got himself beat by Omar Shieka who got the shot at Calzaghe instead of him. So, TOTALLY WRONG.Posted March 15, 2014 10:27 am
Joe Calzaghe spent years calling out Jones, Toney, Nunn BUT, he did not dare call out Mike McCallum!
Sorry Assyrian… Truth is Joe pulled out of numerous scheduled fights. That’s why he only fought so sporadically for many years as champ. Ask his promoter and you will find Joe was known as SICK NOTE in the game.Posted March 15, 2014 5:40 am
How ? This article has nothing to do with calzaghe.Posted March 15, 2014 5:38 am
If you were not hating you wouldn’t be on here.Posted March 14, 2014 9:25 pm
guess who the “old guy” is pulling for!Posted March 14, 2014 6:37 pm
All three (hops, Reid and Kessler) were also either current or former WBC champions. And all three lost to the greatest super middleweight of all time – Mr Calzaghe.Posted March 14, 2014 4:45 pm
popkins would not even make top 30 middleweights atg. PERIOD.Posted March 14, 2014 4:37 pm
Reid, Kessler and Hopkins all wanted and demande rematches with Joe. All 3 fights were close enough to merit a rematch and all 3 men learned more from fighting Joe than he did them and were confident they would win a rematch but Joe left his phone off the hook for all 3 hiding under his duvet until they ran out of credit.Posted March 14, 2014 3:20 pm
Hopkins is the dirtiest fighter in the game. The man that said he would beat Calzaghe lost to Calzaghe thats why hopkins wanted so badly a rematch.Posted March 14, 2014 2:49 pm
Just like the white boy comment isnt racist joe is white its a fact. It makes me laugh when I here white people cry racism especially over something that silly in my eyes getting upset over that makes you sound racist.Posted March 14, 2014 1:23 pm
Throwing a flag on the ground isnnot the worst thing yiu can do because hurts no one. Put a flag in my face and I will throw it on the ground to and it doesn’t matter what country its from at that point its just someone putting something in my face when I dont want it there.Posted March 14, 2014 1:19 pm
Can’t believe all these haters still here fighting for joe why he sets around and kills whats left of his with coke. This article has nothing to do with the over rated calzaghe. All you you guys need to take calzaghes little balls out your mouthPosted March 14, 2014 1:13 pm
Great comments, my man. I have no issue with people who think Joe won. It was a close fight.
Now, I will put the record straight. I am NOT a fan of Hopkins in the slightest. I find watching most of his fights, especially his M’W reign as a cure for insomnia, but I cannot stand the hypocrisy of some fans who want to shout down someone else who has a differing viewpoint and I am sorry, but whenever Calzaghe raises it’s head we have people on here who are ready to do anyone who doesn’t worship him in with pick axes, but they feel they can run other fighters down with impunity.
The hypoccrisy stinks!Posted March 14, 2014 12:14 pm
Hopkins is a salesman, promoter, boxer and he learned a long time ago that to make money in this sport you need to sell yourself. He told Ring Magazine in the good old days that he wanted to make the cover and they told him keep winning and one day you will. But he didn’t want to wait and vowed once he got his foot in the door he would keep it wedged there, no matter what. This is why he took on Don King and won.
Great discussion. We know all about Minter v Hagler, and anyone who tries to be reasonably fair-minded was shocked by the behaviour of some people at Minter-Hagler. I was rooting for Hagler that night in 1980 and I’m white…As for Calzaghe-Hopkins, I thought Joe won narrowly and I still think that. I had Bernard ahead after the first three rounds , but felt Calzaghe started to turn it around after that. Joe always had great workrate, stamina and an underrated ability to adapt…Posted March 14, 2014 12:02 pm
.very funny joannebugner. So all the pundits on Setanta thought Joe won clearly, when even his dad was biting his fingernails and the Setanta boys were all saying this is close and could go either way!
talk about rewriting history, you really are a mug. go watch the fight again and listen to everyone bricking it before the decision.Posted March 14, 2014 11:58 am
SWEDISH BOXING FAN
You, sir are objective, yet they call you all the names under the sun!
Ttust me, this is how bullies and real scumbags act. You see them in the work place, out on the terraces and many other places, ganging together to shout down anyone with a differing viewpoint and even when in your case you rightly detail evidence, such as Joe’s dad not only screaming but swearing at him between rounds for the last several and they call YOU a liar.
A decent poster in TARK has been vilified and threatened by people on here because he dare utter a differing opinion and they call themselves debaters. No, they are shouters and bullies and you sir, should just ignore them, but never let them bully you into keeping your opinions to yourself.
Everyone has one and they are R… soles!Posted March 14, 2014 11:55 am
@Swedish Boxing Fan, Sorry my man, but youre delusional. You know damn well Hopkins lost that fight. All he did all fight long was try and fail to break Calzaghes rhythm, cry fake fouls, back off, try to grab and occasionally lunge forward crudely. Calzaghe was having so much fun in there he even simulated butt-f..king Hopkins! lolPosted March 14, 2014 11:52 am
Lol, Its hilarious reading Hopkins nuthuggers trying to rewrite history. Anyone who could see straight would see Calzaghe outlanding Hopkins consistently. This fight wasnt even close, as others have said Byrd was a paid for judge. Hopkins was beat by a better fighter, one who had the style to beat him, as for slappy punches, well, Calzaghe put Eubank down with those ”slaps” and has a good stoppage ratio. Hey, maybe we shouldnt count punches landed by Ray Leonard, Pernell Whittaker, Willlie Pep and PBF either eh? Morons! Also, using RACISM to sell a fight is stupid! Because Minter did it, its ok for Hopkins to do it?? Wheres the logic there? Duhh.Posted March 14, 2014 11:48 am
Swedish Boxing Fan
Anonymous and B-Red – Thank you all for your kind words ;-)Posted March 14, 2014 10:08 am
Just read Swedish Boxing Fans breakdown of Hopkins vs Calzaghe.
Ps I cannot stand Hopkins as he is a man who would rather cheat to win than win a clean fight.
Can’t stand Hookins, but can’t stand people making up lies with no basis to back it up.Posted March 14, 2014 9:25 am
slappy’s punches had zero, absolutely no weight on them and most should not have counted. even slappy’s dad was screaming at him between rounds, swearing at him that he was blowing it. Hopkins corner had Freddie Roach in it and they were ,cool and calm, believing they had the title in the bag. but, what went again Hopkins is the crazy fact that he wants to win all his fights dirty. look at how he busted up WINKY Wright with butts all night long. I believe if he hadn’t shown out in 2 of those rounds the judges may’ve been more favourable to him. It was a waiver decision.Posted March 14, 2014 9:19 am
Lou Reed, you freakin moron
with Trinidad he produced a PR flag and stamped all over it! it made headline news and the fight was a sellout.
forward wind to Calzaghe….Now read this very carefully.
Unfortunately for him he was battered into 3rd round cut eye stoppage defeat and all the racist Brits drunk on lager rioted and tried to lynch the victorious Hagler and his entourage.
Hopkins used this as a selling point for the fight and his sound byte went round this world
“NO WHITE GUY IS GOING TO TAKE MY TITLE!”
Why don’t you fat, lazy slobs do your homework and find out the reasons why people say and do certain things.
Hopkins vs Calzaghe became the must-see fight.
In the mid 80s Larry Holmes was sick to death of all the comparisons to Rocky Marciano when he defended his newly acquired IBF belt vs Mike Spinks as he approached his 49-0 record he was angry that no one gave him his props and said that Rocky Marciano wasn’t fit to, “carry my jockstrap!”
Right there HOLMES almost guaranteed he would win no decision on the scorecards and he lost 2 hotly disputed decisions to Spinks and retired for 3 years!
All these plastic so-called boxing fans should go back to watching football, playing darts, drinking beer and playing with yourselves. You know next to shiznit about boxing.Posted March 14, 2014 9:13 am
If Hopkins was only fighting lighter guys how did Slappy win the LHW championship from him. Only thing Hopkins underestimated was Slappy’s endurance and workrate. Wasnt like Slappy punished him. 114/113 Hopkins win or a draw.Posted March 14, 2014 9:09 am
Hopkins is a bum last 20 years nothing but clinching and ring stalling. He needs to goPosted March 14, 2014 8:58 am
No lucrative rematch for a split decision. Slappy wanted to keep that “feeling “.Posted March 14, 2014 6:45 am
I don’t think Hopkins beat Calzaghe. People refuse to give Calzaghe credit because they don’t like his punching style, but he was landing punches all night.
I think if Hopkins hadn’t continuously broken Calzaghes rhythm by feigning and exaggerating imjury, then it wouldn’t have been half as close as it seemed.
Credit to Hopkins though, he is phenominal for his age.Posted March 14, 2014 6:30 am
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)
Calzaghe would’ve boxed Froch’s ears off and made him look bad. Froch has average defensive skills, throws wide, looping punches and is not an outstanding boxer. Joe C would’ve simply outworked and outboxed him — just like he did to Hopkins and Jones Jr.Posted March 14, 2014 2:54 am
If u had to bet your house on a Calzaghe v Froch fight, you would have to be nuts to bet on Froch.Posted March 14, 2014 2:46 am
Calzaghe is wasy overrated… Ward would shut him out… Froch would have beaten him in a blockbuster slugfest.
But I had him beating Hopkins… I have Hopkins as the greatest middleweight of all time—depending on what happens with Gennady Golovkin and what he does with his career.
Calzaghe was the aggressor for most of the fight and landed the better punches. Hopkins looked overly muscled and slow.. He didn’t look right to me.. JC was outboxed by Hopkins in a few rounds — but he was too young and fast for B-Hop for the most part. He did better in 7 rounds — that makes him the winner for certain.Posted March 13, 2014 10:04 pm
how laughable that some think bhop beat joe. ridiculousPosted March 13, 2014 9:45 pm
Swedish@Trinidad looked two weight classes smaller against Hopkins and the Calzaghe knockdown was a push. It was a good shot, but then he pushed Calzaghe down. I tried to watch the fight the other day, but it is so damn boring i quit watching it after 2 rounds. The Trinidad fight i watched and Hopkins dominated 100% but like i said, Trinidad was too small. Even in his own weight class he was a long-limbed tall fighter.Posted March 13, 2014 9:32 pm
Swedish Boxing Fan
Clearly there are many people here who can’t have watched the Hopkins vs. Calzaghe fight well enough times to see what happened with an analysing eye.
I have watched the fight so many times and after so many times of writing down all what happened, its a false result HBO gave us all. It can’t be denied and there are some good boxing knowing people her on eastsideboxing who have made statement like mine or better analysis that proves the fight view round after round as I have done.
ESPN, Associated Press and Yahoo Sports experts all scored the fight 114-113 for Hopkins. That is fact, look it up for your self and see.
1# HBO Compubox failed to show right punch stat as that counter failed to recognise many of Hopkins inside body shots at Calzaghe.
2# Joe Calzaghe was knocked down in 1st round and was for the first 3 rounds very up beaten, something Calzaghe have not been in many times of his career
3# Calzaghe missed a lot of punches at same time Hopkins landed counter punches at a stunned Calzaghe.
4# Hopkins dominated all inside fight moments landing punches while Calzaghe had to struggle with missing punches because Hopkins right hand found him often.
5# Hopkins landed most power punches in the fight and his single right hand punch almost at will tricked Calzaghe and landed.
6# Calzaghe didn’t look good against Hopkins until the 3 last rounds of the fight when Hopkins started to step down his pace.
7# Calzaghe got away twice with landing 2 clear low blow punches and was not even warned, would you guys like to take a southpaw left punch to your nuts? Now you wouldn’t.
8# In the end of the fight Enzo Calzaghe, Joes father and trainer did not have his own son as the winner after 12 rounds of boxing and had repeatedly told Joe that threw the 3 final rounds. Joe needed to stop Hopkins according to his analysis to secure a victory.
9# After 12th and final round is over and after Joe have jumped up and down, there is no denying that you can see in his eyes and face that he don’t believe he have done that extra to win the fight and Joes father is even more down to believe it.
10# Freddie Roach, Carl Froch and Mike Tyson who watched the fight all had Hopkins as the winner but they still gave Calzaghe credit!
12# Bernard Hopkins and Golden Boy Promotions where eager to make a re-match happening with Calzaghe vs. Hopkins and a lucrative offer was made for Calzaghe to take the fight but Calzaghe wanted to fight Roy Jones Jr (who was not longer ranked high by the major organisations and years from his best performance).
13# After Calzaghe got his wish to fight and defeated Roy Jones jr, he was again up for discussions and negotiations to fight Hopkins again but Calzaghe went away in silence and then all of a sudden retired, despite being 7 years younger and in his physical prime! Wouldn’t a rematch have settled things better for both men? Most people believe so to settle it all.
14# To say that Hopkins “only” fights smaller men is far from a real statement. Joe Calzaghe, Kelly Pavlik, Jean Pascal, Karo Murat, Winky Wright etc are all fighters from same natural body physical structure and came from same weight divisions. Hopkins spent from 1991-2005 his career as a middleweight fighter! He then jumped 2 weight classes to Light heavyweight because there where lucrative fights there to be made for him at the time and fighting any of these men he did was not picking smaller men who could just as him adapt to a new weight class and speaking of that, Hopkins fought his prime career 1 division lower then Calzaghe and Pascal and Murat! So how can we say he fought smaller men then? Pavlik is even bigger then Hopkins in height and reach and he was even more considered a super middleweight or light heavyweight material then Hopkins ever was.
15# Sure you can say that fighting Oscar De La Hoya was a lower “pick”, but then again, De La Hoya wanted to try and fight at middleweight and even captured the WBO world middleweight title and Hopkins wanted that title belt what-so-ever so fighting De La Hoya was his biggest money offer ever made + the WBO belt and who wouldn’t? NO champ had ever had all 4 world title belts at same time before and would be a CLEAN division.
The Felix Trinidad fight could also be said ALMOST but the fact is that Trinidad was outgrowing his light middleweight class and had the physical tools and power to fight at middleweight and knocking out the bigger and stronger William Joppy for his WBA world title belt proved more then well that he belonged as a middleweight and when Hopkins fought him, Trinidad was a 3-1 favourite to win so again, Hopkins can’t be blamed for anything of that talk.Posted March 13, 2014 8:33 pm
Oh and Hopkins jumped from middle to LHW in his first fight there and DOMINATED the ring LHW champ in Tarver. Not slap or windmill, but DOMINATED Tarver. Good talking. Peace Out.Posted March 13, 2014 7:32 pm
Because he thought he would lose.Posted March 13, 2014 7:31 pm
So why didnt he rematch him over there then if it was that easy.Posted March 13, 2014 7:26 pm
What trips me out is in any other sport we would be astonished and celebrating a 50 year old athlete still performing at a high level no matter what his style is. Lets see what Mayweather is doing at 49/50 years of age.Posted March 13, 2014 7:15 pm
I mean respect to Calzaghe, but people act like he beat hops down or it was utter domination. He was put on his ass and head snapped back frequently during the fight with CLEAN punches. Now he did slap and windmill his way on the punch stats. Even old and damaged Roy Jones put him down.Posted March 13, 2014 7:12 pm
Almost forgot about Kessler that was a good win for joe it really helped set up the hopkins fight. But as much as I loved kessler he wasn’t great.Posted March 13, 2014 7:10 pm
Mathew, good to see a boxing fan on here not just a calzaghe fan. This is just ridiculous. But its a lot of fun when you know your right.Posted March 13, 2014 7:07 pm
So Joe whipped Nard like he whipped Lacy and Kessler. WTF are you on.Posted March 13, 2014 7:06 pm
Comparing joe calzaghe hand speed to a prime roy jones jr is blasphemy. Roy could actually hurt you with his punches and they were far frum ugly slaps they were beautiful this is whats wrong with you calzaghe fans you need to come to reality and get off here because this article is about the legend Bernard hopkins not some wanker doing blow like joe calzaghe.Posted March 13, 2014 7:03 pm
Calzaghe won by 5 points and 3 points on two of the cards, Hopkins had the edge by a point on the other. Joe landed almost double the punches ‘Nard did. Yeah, Joe whupped him!Posted March 13, 2014 7:02 pm
Slappy can admire his split decision between lines of coke, while the alien executioner keeps making history.Posted March 13, 2014 7:01 pm
Hops underestimated Slappy. Thats why he said what he said. The racist remark.Posted March 13, 2014 6:59 pm
eubanks was hype he had already been exposed, show me a list of fighters calzaghe beat.Posted March 13, 2014 6:53 pm
I see you left tarver and Johnson off the list plus a prime roy and dawson even ifbhe lost thats more balls than calzaghe had.Posted March 13, 2014 6:26 pm
Hopkins never ducked joe he just had other options. nobody really cared if Bernard fought joe because joe never really looked impressive until he fought no hook lacy and lacy was never any good. Hopkins fought joe at the right time and thevremstch made even more sense because the first fight was an ugly disputed decision and the bothe looked better in there nect fight. The fight was there it was bigger than ever after hops upset pavlik and joe didnt want it and you no why he thought he would lose to s motivated Hopkins.Posted March 13, 2014 6:20 pm
Besides the nut shots which one of those slaps even hurt Bernard. Slappy won the same way Bradley beat pac and Provo by pitty patting away like its the Olympics.Posted March 13, 2014 6:14 pm
Bhop “whooped” pavlik. Joe did not whoop Bhop. More like survived by windmilling away. Oh and you forgot tarver.Posted March 13, 2014 6:09 pm
Joe whupped Nard!Posted March 13, 2014 4:47 pm
Yeah “punches”. Same “punches” they score in the olympics.Posted March 13, 2014 4:39 pm
By the punch stats, Calzaghe landed almost double the number of shots Hopkins did…Posted March 13, 2014 4:36 pm
Top of your game at 50. Legend stuff.Posted March 13, 2014 4:25 pm
And last I checked split decisions arent clear victories especially in this case. Slappy didnt even want a rematch in his hometown. He knew he got away with one so he retired. Even taylor gave hopkins a rematch.Posted March 13, 2014 4:22 pm
Duck Calzaghe? GTFOH. Why did Slappy duck a rematch in his hometown?Posted March 13, 2014 4:16 pm
Decent fight that pits Shumenov’s pressure against Bhop’s sublime skills. That said, he’s obv going for the weak link at 175 to unify. Kovalev or Stevenson would’ve been better.Posted March 13, 2014 2:58 pm
Joe got a decision over hopkins he never proved who the better fighter was hopkins proved who the better fighter was by accomplishing more than joe. Hopkins earned his spot in boxing history way above joe because he took way more chances and beat much better opposition. Joes greatest accomplishment is his record and his record doesn’t stand up to hopkins record not even close.Posted March 13, 2014 1:57 pm
Old school skills are about the only thing hops and tony have in common other than that tony is lazy and hopkins works hard. You can have your opinion but its not right anybody can get lucky but hopkins lost roy when hopkins was still learning to fight that version of roy jones may have been the greatest fighter to ever live calzaghe would not have made out of the firs round with that roy. Hopkins is smart he learned more about boxing that one night than joe even knows.people can say joe had the style to beat hops it sounds nice but thats not true either and will never be proven because joe retired.Posted March 13, 2014 1:44 pm
Hopkins was and always will be very good at nullifying sluggers , boxer-punchers, stand up style boxers and slow to average tempo fighters. What Hopkins (and James Toney) could never do, is deal with the combination of handspeed, ring mobility, lateral movement, super high workrate and punch output and high levels of stamina. Joe Calzaghe and a prime Roy Jones simply had exactly the right styles to beat fighters like Hopkins and Toney, who had excellent ”old school’ skills, but were never very fast, agile or mobile of hand, body and foot. Speed (and punch output) kills when it comes to Hopkins and Toney.Posted March 13, 2014 1:34 pm
StuPosted March 13, 2014 1:31 pm
Stf, your comments are meaningless. You cant even admitthat hopkins is a legend your nothing but a hater and a calzaghe fan you will never be right because your wrong . Hopkins is the much greater fighter.Posted March 13, 2014 1:31 pm
Walrus is lost and Tom Cribb, JoanneBugner got the beat !Posted March 13, 2014 1:21 pm
You guys are crazy nothing but calzaghe fans. Thers no way calzaghe is even close to hopkins in any way. When it comes to boxing hopkins wrote the book and joe cant even read it.Posted March 13, 2014 1:07 pm
Those people trying to make excuses for Bhop getting tanked by Joe Calzaghe are even more boring than BHOP’s fights, give it up folks. Your hero lost that one fair and square. Look, he had his hometown Ref, his hometown Judges, he was fighting at Home, he was fighting at His best Weight (after ducking Calzaghe twice when a Middle), he still lost it, and lost clear.Posted March 13, 2014 12:20 pm
@Walrus & Swedish Boxing—, keep dreaming. Hopkins didnt do squat against Calzaghe after the 3rd round. And even the ”knockdown” was Calzaghe getting caught square and then pushed over. He wasnt even close to being hurt, and more than Ali was when he went down against Wepner. Hopkins did not have a ”bad night” he just met a fighter who worked out his ugly, messing, neutralizing style, beat him to the punch, outmanouvered him, landed WAY MORE PUNCHES than him and outsmarted him. Hopkins only got a splid descision loss because one of the judges was in his pocket, that fight was no closer than Lewis-Holyfield 1 or Burns-Beltran. lolPosted March 13, 2014 12:17 pm
JE Hopkins a legend ? I dont think so. He lost to the best.Posted March 13, 2014 11:23 am
The banner for this fight should read: THE BATTLE FOR THIRD BEST. Calling this a unification match as if it unified anything other than two also-ran belts is ridiculous. Hopkins won a real title, lost it to Calzaghe (in a fair decision), won it back against Pascal, and lost it big against Dawson (he would’ve lost in the first Dawson fight had it not been for the so-called injury he incurred while fouling Dawson). All wins were major achievements for someone over 40 or any age. His “world” titles since then are at least one tier below actual world titles. Although it is still impressive that he’s winning in his 40s against good opposition, it is not the same as regaining the world title. Shumenov represents the least threat among current belt holders and that is the real reason for this bout. Hopkins is rightfully a legend — but perspective is also useful.Posted March 13, 2014 10:30 am
Swedish Boxing Fan
Belt Holder – Okey so you don’t take me seriusly, sorry to hear but please talk for your own sake on that instead of making up more people to be “on” your oppinion. So I respect your oppinion as you have right to that oppinion.
However, I am mostly a neutral boxing fan who loves good fights and great boxers and the fact is proven that Bernard Hopkins is an active All-time-great legend in proffesional boxing and he have earned his legend status in the ring.
Bernard Hopkins’s legacy is already WELL secured and will be remembered threw the ages. 11 years of record reign as the undisputed middleweight champion of the world with a record of 20 world title defences. The first and only man so far to conquer all 4 major world title belts (WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO) and the Lineal crown and have them all at same time.
Hopkins became world light heavyweight champion at age 41 and then he regained the world heavyweight title at a record age of 46 and is still great. At age 48 Bernard Hopkins again conqers the world light heavyweight title by out-boxing hard hitter Tavoris Cloud.
Over the years having in an impressive way defeated over 15 recognised world champions – Oscar De La Hoya, Felix Trinidad, Roy Jones Jr, Antonio Tarver, Glen Johnson, Ronald “Winky” Wright, Jean Pascal, Tavoris Cloud, William Joppy, Kelly Pavlik, Keith Holmes, Lupe Aquino, John David Jackson, Simon Brown & Carl Daniels along with numerous top contenders including Howard Eastman, Enrique Ornelas, Robert Allen x2, Segundo Mercado, Wayne Powell, Antwun Echols x2, Andrew Council, Karo Murat and many more good opponents so Bernard Hopkins have one of the most impressive victory records of all times and will be very remembered for all those fights.
The same can be said with his 6 losses on his record and only 2 of them are real losses (1st Roy Jones Jr fight and 2nd Chad Dawson fight), the rest where fights his opponents (Jermain Taylor x2, Joe Calzaghe among) got away with some gift like decisions. Not at all have any opponent to date mastered him in any way in the ring. Hard to master a fighter who have learned to master the skill of fast fight style and tempo adapting.
Swedish Boxing Fan
badger – Well I inever fought PRo but yes I have boxed and still doo, but that is not the point here. Sure Hopkins mabey leaned some round to Joe Cortez but the fact that Calzaghe hit Hopkins with low blowes twice was unnecessary and Calzaghe himself is not so much better then Hopkins in some fights Im afraid. Joe Calzaghe is a smart boxer and have skills but as well he have done his chare of dirty fighting in his career at some point so even if Hopkins have done some tricks more, Calzaghe have done that himself just less.
Joe Calzaghe had more then a noise cut, his face was more swollen and Hopkins face came clean after the fight. Hopkins dominated as on body shots and power punches.Posted March 13, 2014 8:13 am
Mick the Marmalizer
In an ideal World 2014 becomes the year of unification @ 175Lb. Let’s just hope Stephenson/Kovalev get’s made!Posted March 13, 2014 6:05 am
Sorry for the spelling. im getting a lot of help from my smartphonePosted March 13, 2014 5:22 am
Yhe only big names on calzaghe record are roy and hopkins and the whole boxing world outside of joes fans know he can’t polosh there shoe’s. The impressive performance joe ever had was against no hook lacy and doesn’t mean anything. Hops had so great nights against great fighters.Posted March 13, 2014 5:20 am
The big names on calzaghe record are hops and Roy and the whole boxing world outside of joes fans know he can’t polish there shoes. The only great performance joe has ever had was against no hook lacy wich means nothing .Posted March 13, 2014 5:15 am
I didnt even mention the fact that joe got an ugly decision against hopkins I truly believe hopkins had a bad night any other night joe would have been hurt. Joe got dropped and many experts had him losing that fight I might have gave him the nod only because hopkins didn’t fight his best fight but even then the fight was to close to call.Posted March 13, 2014 5:05 am
This is what im talking about. You should already know the answer to that question tony.hopkins looked great in his next fight against pavlik joe beat roy that same month hopkins called him out it was the right time for the rematch thats what all great fighters do they give rematches or even trilogies or 4 or5 times whatever it takes but joe wanted know part of hopkins we saw against kelly.Posted March 13, 2014 4:59 am
Sad to see all these haters on here. Hopkin is the such a special fighter deserves everything he has because he earned it. I realy believe people hate on Hopkins just because they are calzaghe fan’s and the know how much grsater Hopkins is than joe. Joe’s win was ugly and wanted no part of a rematch .then thres all this talk of what a bad roll model hops is well joes the one with coke habit. Joes record is ultra impressive but hes no all time great hopkins is.Posted March 13, 2014 3:09 am
GHETO BRO No problema, my pleasure. Glad they were appreciated. My man!!Posted March 12, 2014 10:44 pm
PEEJ is a racist just like SREDMOND don’t waste your breath on that loser.Posted March 12, 2014 9:36 pm
“Hopkins may get hurt if he fights Kovalev. Hope he retires after outpointing Shumenov.”
I hope Hopkins gets his face smashed in over 12 rounds the racist cheating prick. He’s not a man to look up to, and he’s certainly not a good boxer, and never has been. Boxing will be better off without him when he’s finally gone. Hopkins will NEVER fight Kovalev because he’d get hammered and the whole world knows it.Posted March 12, 2014 9:34 pm
Swede – No one can take your comments seriously. You continually show absolute idol worship to Hopkins on all threads. Even trying to convince people that a victory against Shumenov is some sort of achievement when Stevenson and Kovalev are sitting at No. 1&2 of the LHW division. Your bias recap of the Hopkins vs Calzaghe fight are laughable and the fact remains that Calzaghe won.
Peej – You can make up fictional fights in history all you like (prime vs prime) but the facts are for all to see, Calzaghe has a ‘W’ over Hopkins and RJJ. Try watching boxers as athletes and not colours it will free your mind.Posted March 12, 2014 9:32 pm
Badger is right. Hopkins is a tree hugger in the ring. Deduct him ref or stop the fight and give the winner to the other guy.Posted March 12, 2014 8:26 pm
Bernard is the clean up man. The fighter that beat C rated maybe B rated fighters. Roy beat Hopkins and Cal beat him. 2 of the elites beat b – rated fighter like Hopkins.Posted March 12, 2014 8:23 pm
sure swede. I think we saw a different match. Hop brought his ref cortes who should have deducted points for excessive holding on Hopkins. Then warned or deducted a point from joe for low blows. that match was not even close. You obviously never boxed. Getting a cut on your nose does not mean you lost.Posted March 12, 2014 8:23 pm
Calzaghe was a solid fighter where as Hopkins would pull little fighters from lesser weights to fight him. Hopkins would resort to dirty fighting when he’s in trouble.Posted March 12, 2014 8:16 pm
Hopkins is a joke, Calzaghe was the real dealPosted March 12, 2014 8:14 pm
Swedish Boxing Fan
Ah again the Bernard Hopkins vs. Joe Calzaghe fight from 2008. It is a very close call and both fighters had to adopt to fight an opponent who as well had smart ring adaption skills but if we look at the fight again and again like I and probably lot of people have done you can in a “closer and deeper look” perspective see many inside fighting hits that Hopkins so clear dominated almost all times threw 12 rounds.
HBO Compubox have failed in many fights over the years and this fight was very wrong calculated in punch hits to notice in first aspect of the fight rersult.
Hopkins knocked Calzaghe down in 1st round to start with Also is that Calzaghe was more busted up in his face then Hopkins was in the end of the fight.
I don’t say Calzaghe fought bad because he is a talented fighter and that night he proved to be one of the most difficult opponents Hopkins fought.
But that night, Bernard Hopkins was a man he did not defeat in the end and even Joe Calzaghe’s father and trainer told, even scremed to Joe several times in the late fight that he felt Joe was loosing the fight, HIS OWN FATHER and TRAINER did not see him win in the end and even when Joe have stopped jumping you can clearly see in his eyes and face that he don’t believe himself that he have won the fight.
Well in the end Hopkins got a bit dissapointed only 114-113 by one judge.
More quality observations like from Associated Press, ESPN and Yahoo Sports all scored the bout 114-113 for Bernard Hopkins.
Legend and former 2-time world heavyweight champion “Iron” Mike Tyson was there and watched the fight and he commented ” It was a good fight, I thought Bernard won”.Posted March 12, 2014 8:11 pm
Calzaghe’s was very unrated, he had so many way of fighting, that threw his fighter off, the timing switch with jr jones was amazing he gave jr the same low left hand back keeping it low and popping it’s back in Roy face off and on threw jones off, and got the scoring jab back. Then he switch back to ruffle man style a slugger, Roy’s lost that fight clearly. He also upset Hopkins too. But calzaghe retired on top, and the media never game him credit.Posted March 12, 2014 6:27 pm
But no doubt Bhop will fight on until he does get a hiding. Stevenson/Kov winner against Hops/Shum winner for all 4 belts wud b good 4 the division. Kov will emerge the top dog.Posted March 12, 2014 6:04 pm
Hopkins may get hurt if he fights Kovalev. Hope he retires after outpointing Shumenov.Posted March 12, 2014 5:58 pm
A lot of Americans think Calzaghe’s career began when he annihilated Jeff Lacy. In actual fact Joe had already beaten a string of solid super middleweights: Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, Mitchell, Sheika. At the point Calzaghe beat them these opponents were good enough to have created their own “super 6″. I’d hav given them a good chance of beating middleweight Abraham, novice Dirrell, faded Kessler, old Johnson (Sheika beat a prime Johnson). Froch wud hav struggled with them. A 97 Eubank would hav given Ward a tougher fight than Carl did. Show time created a lot of hype with the super 6 which greatly enhanced Ward and Froch’s reputations. Calzaghe wasn’t given that sort of golden ticket. He is very underrated In my opinion.Posted March 12, 2014 5:55 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)
Old man Popkins needs to stop ducking Kovalev and Stevenson — or just retire. Not too impressed with him taking on Shumenov instead of the two top dogs in his weight class.Posted March 12, 2014 5:54 pm
Ever seen that old bowe fight where his opponate punch bowe hard in the ball about 6 times?
No need to watch this fight, I already know how it’s gonna go. B-Hop will circle right or left, throw a left right left, followed by his head or shoulder and hold until the ref breaks them up. B-Hop will hit the others hip or leg on the other side of the ref until the break. This will go on for 12 rounds, B-Hop 12 UD. There you have it, save your money.Posted March 12, 2014 5:26 pm
Mike Tyson, yep your rightPosted March 12, 2014 5:14 pm
never seen Hopkins give a nut shot. But I say if someone punch you in the nuts twice, he deserve a shot back , this isn’t about who has the strongest balls. Punching and Holding and arm in the face sound like a Hopkins. But quite a few champs does that. right?Posted March 12, 2014 5:08 pm
Joe did not whip Hopkins, the only man on the canvas was Joe. He missed every punch he threw, except for the low blows. The clean effective punches were landed by Bhop. Joe got a gift decision. Joe did beat the sheet out of Roy Jones though.Posted March 12, 2014 5:04 pm
JC is underrated in the US. The man was a great boxer.Posted March 12, 2014 4:48 pm
Most Americans though Lacy would blast through Joe C because they had not idea who JC was. All anyone needed to do was watch a couple of his fights and they would know JC would win. Lacy had overrated power, he was slow, and walked straight forward. He got the Tyson tag for all the wrong reasons and the press and public bought into it. Put a plodding slugger in front of a smart, adaptable boxer, and the boxer wins 9 times out of ten. It was a no brainer. Now JC v BH was much harder to pick because they have high boxing IQ’s, tons of championship experience, and very similar styles, not to mention they both can adapt. That fight was going to be close from the beginning and the score cards proved it.Posted March 12, 2014 4:47 pm
Lacy thought he’d beat Joe just because he was black. A lot of American fans are like that,…like the black Anonymous on here!Posted March 12, 2014 4:22 pm
PEEJ, back to Calzaghe v Hopkins. The fact is, most American journalists and fight game scribes and many fans, bought into the Jeff Lacy hype back in 2006 and thought he was just gonna walk through Calzaghe…Joe was a great fighter and very under rated…Posted March 12, 2014 4:19 pm
Hopkins is looking to unify. I wonder if he’ll go after Stevenson?Posted March 12, 2014 3:54 pm
Also what does Floyd have to do with this conversation. We where talking about Hopkins vs Calzaghe.Posted March 12, 2014 3:32 pm
Fred I never said Calzaghe wasn’t a great fighter. I even responded to you saying he was a great fighter.Posted March 12, 2014 3:31 pm
Your just upset Dave that I have more knowledge than you do. Its ok to be jealousPosted March 12, 2014 3:30 pm
i take it roy jones was not on the famous american juice when slapper joe beat him.Posted March 12, 2014 3:23 pm
PEEJ is ok, he’s harmless..but he loves Floyd Mayweather. :)Posted March 12, 2014 2:41 pm
PEEJ is totally full of crap on a daily basis. We all know that just ignore him.Posted March 12, 2014 2:16 pm
“Calzaghe also needed help from the ref to stop Mitchell.”
That’s the same Byron Mitchell who was falling around like a drunk man in the second round, fell into the ropes in the corner, just as Joe was stepping into to finish him off.
The same Roy Jones who said “I’m in the best shape in five years” who then got utterly destroyed by Joe. In fact the fight should of been stopped at round 7 because after that the fight was a painful massacre for Roy. Who then after the fight said “Joe slaps VERY HARD!”
Another fact, Joe went to the USA years before that fight, went to Roy’s house (while he was still in his prime) and asked him to fight him, and Roy ducked him!
Joe tried everything to get Hopkins the racist in the ring years before they fought and Hopkins ducked him too! So get your facts right PEEJ you worm!!
FACTS not hypothetical guesses are what counts in boxing nothing else.
FACT – Joe kicked Roy’s ass big time and credit to Roy he’s always been man enough to admit it and credits Joe as a truly great fighter. They are friends to this very day. Unlike his pathetic fans, the very opposite of Roy, who refuse to give Joe ANY credit for his terrific career. Unbeaten in 46 fights against many world champions and top class fighters!
Go count them up on BoxRec.
Roy is an all time great, I’m a huge fan of his, he respects his kind, his fellow fighters, but his fans are the very opposite of him, cowardly gutless worms who sit behind a computer slagging fighters off, particularly if they aren’t from the USA. Pathetic!
As for Hopkins ‘I ain’t gonna lose to no white boy” well he did, fair and square, he tried every pathetic cheating trick in the book as usual and still lost. And he did the same to Dawson in their first fight, crying foul to try and win by any means possible. Hopkins is a joke, an embarrassment to boxing, a spoiler, not a great fighter at all, his so called fights are terrible to watch, and now as a deluded old man he needs Steve Smoger to help him win. Pathetic. By try telling that to an American, they won’t listen because they don’t want to hear it. Pathetic!
This is US fighters and it’s fans … “If it’s cheating, and we can get away with it, great go for it!” Pathetic.
Next it will be, feather-fisted headbutt Ward would of beaten Joe, if we can’t win with facts, we’ll try to win with guess work. That’s US fight fans for ya.Posted March 12, 2014 2:12 pm
PEEJ, Joe Calzaghe was a great fighter, under rated by many, especially in America…Jeff Lacy and all the hype merchants back in 2006 found that out.Posted March 12, 2014 2:06 pm
Fred it is obvious your knowledge is weak at best.Posted March 12, 2014 1:57 pm
hopkins please go away no one is interested in you anymorePosted March 12, 2014 1:55 pm
Joe whupped them all! :)Posted March 12, 2014 1:54 pm
Joe beat up Bernard.Posted March 12, 2014 1:53 pm
Yes we know, Calzaghe is undefeated. Got beat up by Hopkins but won by out working him. Didn’t want to have a rematch with him because he knew Hopkins would of made adjustments. You do realize he beat Hopkins by split decision. That is hardly whooping someone.Posted March 12, 2014 1:49 pm
I agree, Jones is my favorite fighter and he should of hung them up already. Heck he should of just stayed at Heavy. But you got guys on here saying dumb stuff. They need to get their boxing knowledge upPosted March 12, 2014 1:46 pm
Joe whupped Charles Brewer too! So that’s Hopkins, Jones, Lacy, Sakio Bika, Mitchell, Brewer that Joe beat…and more…Posted March 12, 2014 1:45 pm
Calzaghe whupped all those guys, Hopkins, Jones, Jeff Lacy, Bika, Mitchell, and more…even travelled to America to whup Bernard and Roy.Posted March 12, 2014 1:40 pm
Peej I’m a long time Roy fan, who I admit should’ve hung ‘em up a long time ago and I have mad respects for Calzaghi. I’m not sure Roy would’ve kayo’d Joe. Yes, I cen see him winning but not knocking Joe The Dragon out. Just my opinion. And a SHOUT OUT to EZ E, I received the fights you sent Bro. My Man. Very generous of you.Posted March 12, 2014 1:40 pm
Michalczewski and Collins would have been rough nights for Roy. Roy may, or may not, have won. Roy didn’t care much to find out. He didn’t care to travel much either, back in the day…like Floyd.Posted March 12, 2014 1:38 pm
He beat an old Jones. Calzaghe would of been KOd by a prime Jones. Jones was the champ, those fighters should of come to him. Really you actually think he ducked Collins? Please stop that. Got to know your facts about this sport. Jones would of handled Collins with ease. Thats crazy talk. Calzaghe also needed help from the ref to stop Mitchell. lolPosted March 12, 2014 1:17 pm
Jones didn’t want to be KO’d by Dariusz Michalczewski..that Polish boy was strong and tough.Posted March 12, 2014 1:10 pm
Roy Jones ducked Michalczewski and Collins back in the day too…Posted March 12, 2014 1:09 pm
Joe Calzaghe whuppped ‘Nard, RJJ, Sakio Bika, Jeff Lacy, Mitchell, all those dudes…and more.Posted March 12, 2014 1:07 pm
Lucky for Pac he puts all his trust in Arum and Arum calls the shots for him and he doesn’t want him close to Floyd.Posted March 12, 2014 1:06 pm
Lucky for Floyd he can duck Manny these days!Posted March 12, 2014 1:04 pm
Yes he did, but once again he wanted no part of a rematch with Hopkins, it was a close fight and he just out worked him. But Calzaghe got beat up in the Hopkins fight. Jones was way past it, yeah he beat him but if he would of fought him in his prime Jones would of got rid of Calzaghe before 12. He took Lacys heart thats forsure and his fighting spirit.Posted March 12, 2014 1:02 pm
Max Schmeling KO’d and whupped Joe Louis when Louis was young!Posted March 12, 2014 1:01 pm
lol, someone should tell Arum to stop ducking Floyd. This isn’t even about Floyd, but yet his name is always brought up. lolPosted March 12, 2014 1:00 pm
Calzaghe beat Hopkins, Jones, Lacy, Bika, all of those guys and more…Posted March 12, 2014 1:00 pm
Floyd, stop ducking Manny!Posted March 12, 2014 12:57 pm
ARE YOU SERIOUS?
Yes indeed. Impossible to get excited for any of his “fights”. Hopkins is a SEDATIVE more effective than valium, xanax, lithium, thorazine and benzodiazepines for insomniacs.Posted March 12, 2014 12:39 pm
sugar Ray Robinson aged like we all do.
In his prime he was number one
Just like Joe Louis aged and was beat
History has recorded Robinson as the greatest as his weight.Posted March 12, 2014 12:30 pm
BHOPS zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzPosted March 12, 2014 12:29 pm
Someone should of informed Calzaghe to fight fighters in their prime. He clearly waited and did not challenge Hopkins or Roy till after their prime. With Hopkins he just out worked him but he took the blunt of the beating. Which of course is the reason he wanted no rematch. As for Roy, well Roy was never the same after dropping back down from Heavy. If he would of fought Roy in his prime, Roy would of stopped him. Calzaghe is a great fighter but no better than Roy or Hopkins in their prime.Posted March 12, 2014 12:28 pm
I’aint NEVER meeting Manny Pacquiao!Posted March 12, 2014 12:25 pm
Basilio, Fullmer, Pender, Maxim, Downes and Leahy ALL beat Sugar Ray Robinson….Not to mention others.Posted March 12, 2014 12:22 pm
Billy, right! Carlos Monzon would have beat Robinson too.Posted March 12, 2014 12:20 pm
Paul Pender whooped Sugar Ray twice!Posted March 12, 2014 12:19 pm
Gene Fullmer beat Sugar Ray Robinson twice, as well!Posted March 12, 2014 12:18 pm
Calzaghe whooped Hopkins…and Roy Jones.Posted March 12, 2014 12:16 pm
For the record; on rematches; frowned up on by many today.
Sugar Ray Robinson fought Jake Lamotta. 6 times.Posted March 12, 2014 12:16 pm
Carmen Basilio and Gene Fullmer whooped that Robinson boy too! And Terry Downes and Mick Leahy, not to mention all the other guys…Posted March 12, 2014 12:16 pm
Calzaghe didn’t whoop Hopkins. Actually it was Hopkins that inflicted more damage to Calzaghe. Calzaghe just out worked him. There is a reason he didn’t want a rematch with HopkinsPosted March 12, 2014 12:13 pm
dont compare these hype jobs and ped cheats with the best ever ray robinson.Posted March 12, 2014 12:05 pm
Golovkin whoops Quillin and Floyd!Posted March 12, 2014 12:04 pm
La Motta, Maxim, Pender and others all whooped Robinson’s ass!Posted March 12, 2014 12:03 pm
@Anonymous Hiya. Sugar Ray Robinson and all those guys, La Motta, Maxim etc. get more respect than Floyd does today, because they deserve more respect than Floyd. Floyd v Manny 2014, if Manny beats Bradley…Posted March 12, 2014 11:53 am
Joey Maxim beat Robinson too!Posted March 12, 2014 11:50 am
Calzaghe whupped Nard. Shumenov might too…Posted March 12, 2014 11:49 am
Billy@ so did several other boxers, but Robison’s style wasn’t based on an overprotective defense, like it was the style in those days to fight more openly. No Mayweather style had yet born. So many fighters had losses and then rematches.Posted March 12, 2014 11:48 am
Hopkins says his focus is on unifying the division. No real need in that since it was unified at one point when Jones was champ but of course the belts were stripped from certain fighters. But still as long as he wins he will be looking to fight the other title holders. Looking forward to those fights. Says a lot that Hopkins is competing with these young boxers and he keeps winningPosted March 12, 2014 11:45 am
Jake La Motta beat Robinson!Posted March 12, 2014 11:41 am
Hopkins the GOAT wrestler and fouler in boxing!Posted March 12, 2014 11:40 am
Would loved to have seen Tommy Hearns dismantle Hopkins and Marvin Hagler wreck himPosted March 12, 2014 11:39 am
I’m pulling for Shumenov. Hopkins has been a great one, but he has become more of a publicist/promoter, which I guess works for him some how, but he should have just concentrated on being a fighter. Reminds me of the phony wrestling organizations when he comes out as an alien. Dilutes the sport of boxing. I could never see Sugar Ray Robinson, Hagler, Duran and other greats doing that kind of stuff.Posted March 12, 2014 11:35 am
German Boxing Fan (from just outside Dusseldorf)
Willkommen! Hello! Ich hope dass zis Shumenov beat the scheisse out of Old man Bernard Hopkins!! Vot vill all zem ‘Nard nut-huggers say zen?!? Habe ein gut Tag, y’all!Posted March 12, 2014 11:30 am
Wrap him in a blanket and put him near a heater
snorefestPosted March 12, 2014 11:29 am
both wankers.Posted March 12, 2014 11:21 am
20 years of snoozefest fights from Bernard. Enough is enoughPosted March 12, 2014 11:18 am
No more boring fights hope Hopkins gets beatPosted March 12, 2014 11:18 am
Kenian Boxing Fan
I hope Shumenov beats Hopkins.Posted March 12, 2014 10:43 am
Brazilian Boxing Fan
I hope Hopkins beats Shumenov.Posted March 12, 2014 10:29 am