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TARK

Canelo upped his game in this fight… This was his best performance by far… He lit Angulo up like a Christmas tree.

He’s only 23… He’ll continue to get better for the next 7 or 8 years at least.

Posted March 16, 2014 11:07 pm 


James

Canelo has that lost to Floyd, wish was part of less pay per views for Canelo vs Angulo. And to add to it. it look like the last fight was fix by the Mexican mafia for Angulo not to hit Canelo hard. Canelo’s pay per fights will continue declining.

Posted March 16, 2014 1:33 pm 


doncheach

Its funny how every ESB article’s comment section is 90% about Floyd! Then they wonder why he is the biggest draw in boxing every year. you guys are really bright. There is only ONE thing in life that matters FACTS!!
1. Mayweather is the biggest Draw in boxing
2. He is Forbes highest paid athlete year in year out.
3. Every fighter wants to fight him

No amount of fantasizing or rationalizing will change these facts, so don’t bother pretending to analyze the reasons you only look foolish.

OK, how about we talk about the guy this article is about- CANELO.
I think Lara is going to be his hardest test. Actually, think lara could win it. I mean he has the perfect style for Canelo- he is a pure boxer, one of the best counterpunchers in the game and his ring movement is exceptional. We all saw what he did to trout; i dont even think Trout won a single round in that fight. And remember Canelo wasn’t too convincing against Trout- some even had that fight a draw(thought Canelo won it personally).
If Canelo can get past lara in definitive fashion, i think we can safely say he has arrived.

Posted March 16, 2014 2:16 am 


Fight Aficionado

“SUPREME COURT, you’re a xenophobic gringo who is stuck in “We are #1!” mode but this ain’t the 70s or 80s.” – Tumbo, ignore that jerkoff. Supreme Court is SRedmond under a difference screen name. He was caught talking to himself when he forgot to change it. Fact is Supreme Clown aka SRredmond is a douchebag with probably a half dozen handles at ESB, which should ban all his IPs.

Posted March 16, 2014 12:23 am 


Auzbox

No I think it was ok anonymous. Angulo put it all over Lara. Canelo confidence will be through the roof now. He will punch holes in Lara every day of the week

Posted March 15, 2014 10:56 pm 


Auzbox

Yeh I think mayweather will beat pacs numbers but not by much. He needs broner or khan on his undercard but. Good to see Schaffer might be fired by dela so we might get some super fights this or next year

Posted March 15, 2014 9:22 pm 


Nicolas

AUZBOX: I wish that you were right, but I think that there will be a lot of buys for Mayweather-Maindana. Many people who watch his fights are not boxing fans, they are Mayweather fans, and they really don’t know much else, just like many years ago I talked to a nice young man of Phillipino descent, who new Pacquiao, but did not hear of Klitschko or other fighters Pacman was not fighting.

Posted March 15, 2014 8:26 pm 


Auzbox

Manny got 475 buys against rios. He will get 1 mill against Bradley. Floyd won’t get half his Canelo numbers. Not good enough to have consistency when you face easy beats

Posted March 15, 2014 7:43 pm 


Anonymous

Caneol sold nothing like a floyd fight dont even compare u stupid idots who ever u are, dont be racist facts are facts floyd sells better then any fighter on planet earth and any athlete and u got the nerve to down talk . Want have u sold out. Wheres ur millons and canelos. He gets peanuts compared to floyd. Save ur lies for ur dirty kids! :-)

Posted March 15, 2014 7:41 pm 


BEARS

east side is housed through boxingnews24.com

boxingnews24 has better articles and less fux posting

Posted March 15, 2014 5:08 pm 


Ghetto Thug

Pacquiao, FOTY, 8 divisions world champion, the “biggest” star in boxing 400,000 PPVS…….. Canelo, nothing but a hypejob fighting bums 350,000 PPVS…… pactards must be crying LMAO

Posted March 15, 2014 3:40 pm 


Hidalg0

“These guys are laughing all the way to the bank.”

No doubt. For example: If the this bout sold 350K PPVs at $50 a pop, that’s about $18 million in revenues just from the PPVs alone. For Mayweather/Canelo PPV revenues totaled around $154 million. That’s incredible.

Bottom line is fight fans shouldn’t have to pay a dime to watch boxing–even for the mega fights. We don’t have to pay to watch the Super Bowl, the World Series, The NBA playoffs or Final, the NHL playoffs or Final. We don’t have to pay to watch soccer. But, boxing fans around the world have been trained to accept the fact that they have to pay to see a fight, even from the comfort of their own home on their own television.

And here’s the thing, the media giants know this and are well aware of it. That’s why there are relatively few PPV boxing events put on by HBO and Showtime. They really have to be special–or at least, they need to be able to make us believe they are so special that we should fork out so much money to watch one or two fights.

PPV is really quite the scam, legal though it is.

Posted March 15, 2014 3:27 pm 


Chili Grande

I don’t get it ,why so many people are mad that Canelo vs Angulo was on PPV . If you didn’t want to watch it then don’t pay for it ..That’s the way things are now a days ..long gone are the days where ( Wide World of Sports ) only carry the fights . and if only the Mexican boxing fans watch it ,,well so what .

Posted March 15, 2014 2:49 pm 


TARK

As long as you get 350,000 or more fans to pay over 50 dollars apiece for a fight like this — they’re going to keep doing these PPVs with fighters the caliber of Angulo…

Unfortunately they’re going to do more and more of them.

Because they can pay the boxers 10 million dollars (which they didn’t for this fight — the promoters stiffed them) for doing all the work and still stuff their pockets with millions.

It’s a wonderful business for the promoters. 60,000 dollars covers as many ring card girls and Corona girls as you need… a few 100,000 for announcers, commentators, interviewers, and media handlers…. a few 100,000 for training expenses for the entire card… a few 100,000 for promotional events and commercials… and you still end up with a whole sack of money from the PPV, live gate, rebroadcasting rights, ancillary rights and what else. These guys are laughing all the way to the bank.

This is the reason boxing promoters HATE each other worse than competing drug dealers. It’s a fun business with tons of money … But it’s not a monopoly like the NFL.. NBA.. MLB.. Golf.. Tennis.. Hockey.. or Soccer.

If you think you can do it better, get some funding and put on your own shows — and get ready for some push back.

Posted March 15, 2014 2:35 pm 


Nicolas

I know many Mexican people, most of them seem to like Soccer much more. I have noticed that Mexicans who like Soccer are generally not interested in boxing and vice-versa. But as one person has suggested that when it comes to boxing they are highly educated is I think a silly comment. If they were so highly educated would they have even had the 350,000 buys? Yes, not all the buys were from people of Mexican origin, but I am confident that the vast majority were. I don’t wish any disrespect to them on this, but I don’t think Mexican boxing fans are any more educated that German or British boxing fans. they just wish to see there hero’s fight, and I think today, they drive the market of the US boxing economy, and have been doing so for some time.

Posted March 15, 2014 2:00 pm 


Luke

Hey, Bustajay, those number dwarf the numbers you were putting up when you ran Girls Gone Wild:)) Enjoy the fights this weekend bro!!

Posted March 15, 2014 10:23 am 


Popkins

Floyd’s two fights this year may b against Maidana and then Khan. Maidana who has been beaten by Alexander and Khan. Amir who got KO’d by Garcia and struggled against an old, blown up Diaz. …. Yet Bradley is the pound for pound no.3, Garcia is the 140 ring champ, GGG is a super talent at 160 and Pacman is a boxing legend. All four are more dangerous opponents.

Posted March 15, 2014 9:34 am 


BUSTAJAY

The Mad Scientist

I say not bad considering its the kid first PPV where he’s the main attraction and he and his opponent were both coming off of loses..I for the record didn’t pay for this fight..

Posted March 14, 2014 3:52 pm

I agree bro

Posted March 15, 2014 9:03 am 


REM

Another sad…. no wonder you have the opinion you do you dont know ish about boxing smh. When Pac fought those guys he was setting records that will never be broken haha. The Rios fight was coming off a ko loss genius meanwhile Floyds fighting a guy similar to Rios after allegedly winning the jmw tittle. Oscar at 142 stop making ish up your embarrassing yourself.

Posted March 15, 2014 7:30 am 


Another Sad day for Pacturds aka rem

I guess everbody wanted to see Taht Pacroide and Rios fight to????!shoving that down your mouth.ha ha ha ha.or when he fought Clottey. After he was coming off a loss to Cotto?????? Bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam

Posted March 15, 2014 2:13 am 


Another Sad day for Pacturds aka rem

You mean how like Pacturd is shoving the Rios fight. The 4 fights that he lost to Marquez. The Mosley that was coming off a loss to Floyd.the Margacheto fight at 150, after Shane Mosley knocked him out.or fighting a weight drained De layhoya at 142. Yeah those fight aren’t killing the sport. I guess you’ll swallow anything Pacroid gives you ha ha ha ha .

Posted March 15, 2014 2:08 am 


HHHHLondon

Only a 100G less than those two bums Manny and Bob. I’d imagine that at least 200K+ were Rios and Hispanic buys.

Posted March 15, 2014 2:05 am 


te tumbo

. . . and Yes. very fake “tumbo” below. I favor Canelo over Golovkind but of course, all of you already knew that.

Posted March 14, 2014 11:46 pm 


te tumbo

“I am not a gringo… And you should by now know that…” tsk, tsk, tsk . . . SC, you’re slipping. i’m demoting you to juvenile court. otherwise, i’m referring to how well you’ve learned your lessons from your former gringo oppressors because that’s what you sound like and ghetto-passes have been discontinued in Cali. straighten-up and fly-right “brotherman” . . . or is that minuteman(?).

Posted March 14, 2014 11:45 pm 


Anonymous

Fake Tumbo below

Posted March 14, 2014 11:00 pm 


Ray Ray

Ha ha ha read first? Said well over? If that was the was the headline would read well over 500thousand? But it didn’t do that so yeah, crap numbers 4 the guy that piggy backed the Floyd fight? Ha ha ha silly Mexicans.

Posted March 14, 2014 10:50 pm 


Boxtradamus

Malignaggi vs Porter was signed DAYS ago. WHERE’S the write UP??? It’s a CHAMPIONSHIP Fight.

Posted March 14, 2014 9:55 pm 


Ken

For those of you that believe Espinosa and his claim of over 1 million ppv buys for FMJ vs Guerrero. How is it we have numbers on every other ppv event including the Canelo fight from 6 days ago but we still haven’t seen numbers on that fight?

Posted March 14, 2014 9:44 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Typical marketing blabber. Crap PPV cards like this are killing the sport. GTFO.

Posted March 14, 2014 8:30 pm 


REM

Another sad….Those were examples of how he directly insults the intelligence of his fans smh. Blind Floyd cult followers who worship an absolute fraud ha ha. I cant claim that Floyds ducking Khan or Miadana because they’re both bottom feeders yet Floyds shoving one of them down your throats and your gonna swallow and say more daddy lol.

Posted March 14, 2014 8:18 pm 


Another Sad day for Pacturds

How many times has international superstar pacroid sold 2mill PPV buys

Posted March 14, 2014 8:01 pm 


Titopa

Another Sad day for Pinoys aka rREM – “Plankman” LMAO!!!!! Best.One.Yet. You sir, scored.

Posted March 14, 2014 7:57 pm 


Titopa

Gallinas de Puerco chico – Wrong. All that was ‘officially’ reported was that Mayweather-Guerrero ‘exceeded’ 1 million buys, hard to believe it without proof…but there’s no way to get proof. I think it was around that much, maybe not 1 million, but close. But you can’t compare that to 350K for a “PPV Star” like Canelo. If Floyd did those numbers he’d be the laughing stock of boxing, why? Cause he’s known to generate 1+ million PPV buys every time he fights, his lowest PPV numbers were against Hatton, which did 850K, that was in 2007.

Posted March 14, 2014 7:56 pm 


Another Sad day for Pinoys aka rREM

When your the best in the world. You can damn well do what ever you want.

If Floyd was to choose Khan over Chino, you haters would be saying that he is scared of Marcus.
So Floyd does over 750k PPV vs the ghost and it’s a failure . But plankman does under 500k vs Rios. And you turds praise. And since you know like you haters said. “Pacman” is a international superstar. Can’t have it both ways.

Posted March 14, 2014 7:55 pm 


Another Sad day for Pinoys

Test

Posted March 14, 2014 7:49 pm 


Titopa

REM – Actually. Canelo said he’d be willing to fight Pac or Floyd at 150lbs, Martinez also said he’d be willing to fight either at 150. Don’t blame Floyd for making the kid stick to his word, next time you call someone out make sure you don’t throw out weights (numbers).

Posted March 14, 2014 7:48 pm 


Ray Ray

Ha ha ha wow….is that the number the guy who carried the Floyd fight got? Ha ha ha

Posted March 14, 2014 7:23 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Enema shouldn’t you be commenting on the Garcia vs Herrera weight article..hurry there is only 3 post from what I”ve seen..Lol!

Posted March 14, 2014 7:16 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Yes, Mayweather vs Mosley did good numbers but let’s not forget who was in the undercard fighting as well..

Posted March 14, 2014 7:14 pm 


REM

Its hilarious how Floyd feels like he can say and do whatever he wants and get away with it. To say Pac your next publicly and deny it the next day lol what balls huh. The most recent one was when Ellerbe said Canelo asked for the catchweight and Floyds proof was a printout from a website like this one. Thats not during negotiations lol. I think he actually tries to see how far he can go with his b.s lol.

Posted March 14, 2014 7:13 pm 


Another Sad day for Pinoys

Khan spent need to take a dive. He’s already done that three times.once against a bum in the first round .
Pacroid does not have to take a dive.

A 40 year old flat footed, piss drinking Mexican that Dloyd beat did that.

Posted March 14, 2014 7:04 pm 


B Red

Titopa, TB is just a big time hater, and his hip hop analogy was way of track.

Posted March 14, 2014 7:02 pm 


REM

TB gotta agree with you man been thinking it for a while now. If the FBI is really investigating them all I can say is wow. I just cant put it past Floyd odviously I don’t know him personally but he seems like hes becoming extremely narcissistic.

Posted March 14, 2014 7:00 pm 


Titopa

TB – El-Oh-El. Your rap reference is hilarious, did you forget about the beef between Tupac & Biggie? When was the last time two rap artists murdered each other over rap beef? LOL Nowadays it’s just about selling your music, gangster rap isn’t close to what is used to be…thus OG’s calling the new age rappers “soft”. You’re, kinda slow.

Posted March 14, 2014 6:57 pm 


Another Sad day for Pinoys

@TB go suck on Mannys C$$@ck

Posted March 14, 2014 6:54 pm 


Another Sad day for Pinoys

So I thought Canelo brought in all the fans to the Mayweather PPV .vut this fight did only 350.000.

Posted March 14, 2014 6:53 pm 


TB

It’s because Floyd and Golden Boy have corrupted boxing. It’s just like saying today’s hip hop is better than the original hip hop of the past. Today’s rap is way more negative than in the past, but the negative rap sells. People tend to lean more towards negativity than positivity. Plus with Golden Boy and Mayweather fixing adn paying off young boxers like Ortiz and Canelo makes Floyd look invincible, when he’s not. He would never choose Khan or Pacquiao because he knows they won’t take a dive for him.

Posted March 14, 2014 6:48 pm 


Titopa

Yes. Martinez vs Cotto is going to shatter these numbers…no question.

Posted March 14, 2014 6:48 pm 


Titopa

To say Floyd does great numbers cause of fighting in May and September is pretty funny, there are about 4 weeks in a month…if that were the case, why not fight on any of the 3 other Saturday’s? Fight the Saturday before Floyd does, even if it’s the last week of April, or the first week of September, see how well your PPV does, chances are fans will be like “nah, I’ll wait to order Floyd’s PPV”…people can’t stand that he’s the PPV king. It’s hilarious.

Posted March 14, 2014 6:47 pm 


Dazani

te tumbo

“Floyd vs. Shane was on May 1st and sold over 1+ million PPV buys” because it was on Cinco de Mayo weekend v. a west-coast fighter with an established history of also fighting on that weekend. what’s the point of avoiding the obvious?
Posted March 14, 2014 6:36 pm

Two black fighters fighting and putting up 1+ million buys. No mexicans involved unless again, with my last post, you are saying that Mexcians are going to buy high quality fights with or without a mexican involved.

Posted March 14, 2014 6:41 pm 


big moe

Te tumbo…i agree with ur logic of floyd fighting on mexican holidays. It makes a difference. In my humble opinion, even if canelo fought on those holidays, he would still need a good b side to crack the million mark.
Right now, outside of cotto,in the 54 division, who can give canelo big numbers?

The american fan base isnt really drawn to canelo like some might think. Floyds first ppv did around 325,000 or 365,000 in his fight with gatti. So this isnt that bad. But the way some these MAJOR sports writers were talking, they made it seem like it was all canelo and it wasnt. These numbers prove it

Posted March 14, 2014 6:40 pm 


Dazani

te tumbo

You are also talking about a vast Group of people {Mexicans} that are huge sports fans in general and when it comes to boxing, are one of the highest educated, so liking Floyd wouldn’t be a far reach.

If your point is that he got his “in” on that market and got a hold of it by fighting Mexican fighters on purpose, swaying Mexican boxing fans his way, knowing they are group educated on boxing and skills matter more than anything…Yeah, I could see that.

Posted March 14, 2014 6:39 pm 


REM

B Red I dont see that translating to ppv buys I would attend a fight I wouldn’t buy on ppv in a heartbeat.

Posted March 14, 2014 6:36 pm 


te tumbo

“Floyd vs. Shane was on May 1st and sold over 1+ million PPV buys” because it was on Cinco de Mayo weekend v. a west-coast fighter with an established history of also fighting on that weekend. what’s the point of avoiding the obvious?

Posted March 14, 2014 6:36 pm 


Dazani

In the end, fight fans are more than likely going to tune in. And the “casual fan” isn’t made up of one group of people.

It would be interesting to see a chart of the demographics of ethnicity groups that buy the fight.

I think “Whites” won out on most buys for music of Hip-Hop music. Whites buy a lot of stuff.

Just look at Floyd’s buddy Justin Bieber. Amazing the marketing on that kid. Good for him. Although, Justin is always partnering up with a Mexican-American, Selena Gomez so huh, maybe Floyd and him do have a racket going on with teaming up with Mexicans.

whatever the case may be, having good Mexicans around is always a good thing.

Posted March 14, 2014 6:35 pm 


te tumbo

“that Mayweather has more hispanic fans supporting him than he does black fans” MAD SCI, true that and thanks for pointing that out. i’ve noticed the same. Mayweather’s choice of fight-nights has resulted in a fanbase that transcends his or their race or ethnicity. i would dare say that the Cinco de Mayo and September 16 fight-crowds have learned to appreciate Floyd more than any other fight-fan demographic and it shows in the numbers.

Posted March 14, 2014 6:32 pm 


Dazani

The Mad Scientist

Number 1 fanbase in the sport of boxing are Mex/hispanic..ofcourse they are gonna tune in by the masses if they think one of their own has a chance to dethrone the best boxer in the sport..comparing Canelo’s PPV numbers vs Angulo to his fight with Floyd is just plain stupid and reaching to much..
Posted March 14, 2014 6:26 pm

I can see that as being quite valid. That a Mexican challenging the best fighter P4P in the game is a big sell.
However, Floyd still sells on his own quite well amongst a broad fan base.

Floyd vs. Shane was on May 1st and sold over 1+ million PPV buys.

Posted March 14, 2014 6:29 pm 


B Red

The Cotto Martinez fight will do much more, than the Canelo Angulo fight.

Posted March 14, 2014 6:28 pm 


Dazani

The Mad Scientist

I’ve been to a couple of Floyd’s press conference here in Los Angeles and its safe to say that Mayweather has more hispanic fans supporting him than he does black fans..all these fools popping off at the lip are just a bunch of male groupies who relate to the whole ghetto Money image Floyd created on the 24/7 series..
Posted March 14, 2014 6:17 pm

the one thing I do know is that Floyd doesn’t have full support from the African-American community. Floyd calls it hating. Blacks hating on each other and so on but most of the ones I know just have no filter and call b.s. when they see it. They just don’t care who you are, what color your skin tone is, if they think you are overrated, full of it, ducking and dodging, etc. they will call you out on it.
Some funny stuff.

Many I know were big on Manny Pac.
they view Pac as Bruce Lee.
And many love those Martial Art flicks.

Posted March 14, 2014 6:26 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Number 1 fanbase in the sport of boxing are Mex/hispanic..ofcourse they are gonna tune in by the masses if they think one of their own has a chance to dethrone the best boxer in the sport..comparing Canelo’s PPV numbers vs Angulo to his fight with Floyd is just plain stupid and reaching to much..

Posted March 14, 2014 6:26 pm 


B Red

REM. the Madaina fight is already sold out, and the undercard has not even been announced yet.

Posted March 14, 2014 6:23 pm 


te tumbo

“Supreme Court has never made a mistake on the future of a fighter here on ESB: Canelo is going NO WHERE!! Just watch how he is going to be GRANTED the Mexican WBC belt, just like the first time”. I will hold you to those words and you Know that I will. in fact, I’m already coiling the fresh rope you provided in anticipation. i’ll take my time choosing which knot to use. after all, Canelo will be around for a very long time.

Posted March 14, 2014 6:19 pm 


The Mad Scientist

I’ve been to a couple of Floyd’s press conference here in Los Angeles and its safe to say that Mayweather has more hispanic fans supporting him than he does black fans..all these fools popping off at the lip are just a bunch of male groupies who relate to the whole ghetto Money image Floyd created on the 24/7 series..

Posted March 14, 2014 6:17 pm 


te tumbo

“So its not all about fighting a mexican and capitalizing on that” I Agree but thanks to Chavez and DLH, a May 5 or Sepember 16 fight-card has become a customary feature of those weekend for “Mexican” fight-fans. also, there are enough hardcore fight-fans in that demographic that it’s not necessary for a “Mexican” fighter to headline. an undercard or two will do. bottomline, Boxing is what fans of all levels tune-into on those dates, which is why fighting on those dates makes the most sense to Mayweather.

Posted March 14, 2014 6:15 pm 


REM

Floyds finished as a ppv star. Hes practically begging other name fighters to be on his undercard. What kind of #s is he gonna do with Miadana if he doesn’t have a name fighter on the undercard. Hes done good and had a great run but HBO let him go for a reason. His fights are corney now with Lennon its like hes on a B network. Floyds ppv sucsess is out of his hands now he needs Canelo to build up a rematch and Cotto to win the mw tittle. Outside of that the only money fight is Garcia.

Posted March 14, 2014 6:15 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Its good to see a fresh face headlining a PPV and doing good numbers..boxing is alive and well, thanks Canelo

Posted March 14, 2014 6:11 pm 


big moe

No crap te tumbo floyd didnt create that tradition, but hes certainly taken it to new heights. Dela hoya never made the type of cheese floyd is making on daily. I will say this,.

Oscar was the man in his era. But Oscar only touched 1million twice prior to fighting floyd….trinadad and b hop.

All of those fans in the arena were NOT canelo fans. Angulo brought his share. The same can be said for the ppv buys. So 350k divided by 2 equals..175,000. Floyd did a million buys with guererro and nobody knew him. And the canelo fight didnt sell out. Its already a 14 million dollar gate for the Maidana fight. Floyd is the man

Posted March 14, 2014 6:09 pm 


Dazani

te tumbo

SUPREME COURT, you’re a xenophobic gringo who is stuck in “We are #1!” mode but this ain’t the 70s or 80s. Hatton was undefeated and the majority of paying fans were singing his name on that fight-night. Mosley was coming off a dominant (and suspect) win v. Margarito, which gave the false impression that he had a shot v. Mayweather, which was accurate. he had one shot. once Mayweather recovered, the lopsided mismatch in Floyd’s favor was on. among mainstream fans, Mayweather’s primary appeal is the potential of his first loss. only true fight-fans like myself appreciate his undefeated record.
Posted March 14, 2014 5:49 pm

It doesn’t matter how you sell, as long as they are buying your fights. Ali talked about this which he got from Gorgeous George.

Do you think people go and watch Super Hero movies for the Super Hero only? NO, they want the Villain in the movie as well.

Posted March 14, 2014 6:07 pm 


Dazani

te tumbo

“Why would you move from those months?” DAZANI, i want to ADD to those months not replace them. also, your elaborate party/vacation/stress equation kind of falls apart when you consider that May 5 and September were never big fight months until Chavez Sr. and DLH made them so to cultivate and optimize their May and September fanba$es. otherwise, Ali, Duran, Leonard, Tyson, nor Hatton or Pacquiao* ever targeted those months for their biggest fights unLess they were facing a “Mexican” fighter. you’re avoiding the obvious.
Posted March 14, 2014 5:40 pm

Floyd fights TWICE a YEAR. Again, why move from those dates?

Because he is fighting Mexicans? Maybe. I can see that.

Let’s skip to the Fan base buying those fights: Are they Mexicans buying Floyd Mayweather fights on those dates? Again, if he is fighting a Mexcian, yes, it would help.

However, how come Mexican fighters don’t roll over to those dates, push Mayweather out of the picture, and take the PPV buys, do 1+ million in sales?

*****He did fight Shane Mosley in May and that did 1+ million buys. So its not all about fighting a mexican and capitalizing on that.

Posted March 14, 2014 6:03 pm 


REM

Dazani no doubt the casual fans carry the big #s and Garcia v Mattysse had to be the most watched co main event in ppv history. Danny’s very popular himself and that was a huge fight on its own.

Posted March 14, 2014 6:02 pm 


SREDMOND

You could load the whole country of Mexico on a card and they cannot outsell Mayweather put together… Marquez, Canelo and the rest are some fine fighters but they are NOT even in the same universe as the P4P king, they only make their biggest paydays facing him..Floyd pays them “tip money” even Pac Man would be accepting a diminished split because he is no longer a lock for close to 1 million buys… Mayweather stands alone and thats not gonna change barring a KO loss…

Posted March 14, 2014 5:57 pm 


mookie

There’s a reason floyd fights on Mexican holiday wknds, why not fight on may 20 somthing or the first weekend of sept? ???
This ain’t rocket sciene brothers

Posted March 14, 2014 5:54 pm 


te tumbo

SUPREME COURT, you’re a xenophobic gringo who is stuck in “We are #1!” mode but this ain’t the 70s or 80s. Hatton was undefeated and the majority of paying fans were singing his name on that fight-night. Mosley was coming off a dominant (and suspect) win v. Margarito, which gave the false impression that he had a shot v. Mayweather, which was accurate. he had one shot. once Mayweather recovered, the lopsided mismatch in Floyd’s favor was on. among mainstream fans, Mayweather’s primary appeal is the potential of his first loss. only true fight-fans like myself appreciate his undefeated record.

Posted March 14, 2014 5:49 pm 


B Red

There are no big mexican stars that can compete with Floyd to book those dates. The Mayweather Mosley fight did 1.4 , milliom and the May Cotto fight did 1.5 million. I think Hatton did 900,000.

Posted March 14, 2014 5:40 pm 


te tumbo

“Why would you move from those months?” DAZANI, i want to ADD to those months not replace them. also, your elaborate party/vacation/stress equation kind of falls apart when you consider that May 5 and September were never big fight months until Chavez Sr. and DLH made them so to cultivate and optimize their May and September fanba$es. otherwise, Ali, Duran, Leonard, Tyson, nor Hatton or Pacquiao* ever targeted those months for their biggest fights unLess they were facing a “Mexican” fighter. you’re avoiding the obvious.

Posted March 14, 2014 5:40 pm 


B Red

Dazani, excellent points

Posted March 14, 2014 5:28 pm 


Dazani

I think Pac would do better with GBP than TR.

They are better at promoting, they would pay him more and if someone wants to say Floyd benefits from the undercard (which he does to some degree), Pac would as well.

Posted March 14, 2014 5:27 pm 


Dazani

As a fight fan, I’m more willing to buy Pac/Bradley than Floyd/Maidana if I had to pick one because I see it as the better more competitive fight with two highly skilled fighters. Maidana’s relentless pressure, and expect his conditioning to be even better this time since he won’t be missing weeks of training, and his punching style with power make it intriguing, but still…Pac/Bradley is the fight t to watch.
Cotto/Martinez is also more interesting to me.

But Casual fans, they might pick the Floyd fight.
I can’t believe he put up the numbers he did vs. Guerrero.
I didn’t buy it.
And this fight shouldn’t do well but it may once again do well.

Posted March 14, 2014 5:25 pm 


Dazani

REM

Hate toe break it to you but again, the Casual Viewer make up the majority of the sales and those “casual viewers” rarely know who is on the undercard and some don’t even bother to watch.

I’ve been to parties and events with big fights and I’m left with a few people watching the undercard while the others are chit-chatting until the main event comes on.

Now a fight fan who is on the fence “may” decide to buy based on the boost of the undercard but it isn’t always the case as seen with a peak Tyson and Oscar who were must see in their time.

Posted March 14, 2014 5:21 pm 


Dazani

Pac is not American therefore him doing anything over 300K is remarkable theory

If true, that Americans don’t gravitate to non Americans nearly as much or at all, then how come “The Beatles” were so popular?
Rolling Stones, Elizabeth Taylor, CHRISTIAN BALE/BATMAN, Jackie Chan had a good run, Arnold Schwarzenegger (who even won an election here), Hugh Jackman/Wolverine, Hakeem Olajuwon, Anthony Hopkins, Jean-Claude Van Damme (in his prime), Many DR baseball players, Roberto Clemente,
BRUCE LEE although he was born in S.F. and so on.

Posted March 14, 2014 5:17 pm 


Auzbox

Bradley v Marquez did more. PAC v Bradley destroys these numbers

Posted March 14, 2014 5:13 pm 


Auzbox

Lee PAC v rios did more than 100000 more in another country than the us against a no body

Posted March 14, 2014 5:12 pm 


REM

Those #s for Floyd v Canelo belong to GB more than they belong to Floyd. The Floyd fight that Canelo refused to be on the undercard lost Showtime 12 mil. Garcia, Mattysse and Canelo had more to do with those #s than Floyd did. Floyd sells but lets keep things in perspective here. Canelo headlining his 1st ppv was a sucsess coming off of a loss not having any real track rec. at jmw and fighting Angulo when we all want him to fight Lara. Canelos gonna sell a mil ppvs with either Cotto or Martinez latet this year. The reality is he could take 9/14 away from Floyd fighting one of those 2 what does that tell you.

Posted March 14, 2014 5:12 pm 


Dazani

te tumbo

neither is Mayweather outside of May or September and without the fanbase that’s kept boxing alive for the past 30 years.
Posted March 14, 2014 4:40 pm

Remember, those Huge Numbers are actually brought in by the “Casual Viewer” and not the die hard fans who are a minority group. That’s why fighters like Tyson and Oscar had big numbers compared to other fighters that were well known amongst fight fans: It was the Casual Viewer that make up the majority of the sales that push you past 1 million.

Posted March 14, 2014 5:05 pm 


Dazani

B Red

IF he beats Bradley, JMM may be next which should sell well. If he beats JMM, and let’s say he knocks him out, it will boost Pac’s appeal high again and there would be another push for a Mayweather fight. He isn’t going to have the same leverage but their will be a demand.

Posted March 14, 2014 5:03 pm 


Dazani

te tumbo

You pick dates you know are better suited for the consumer to buy which means they have to be HOME.

July 4th, more people are ready to party and go on vacation than sit at home watching a boxing match at Night Time.

May and September are good selling months because May is heading into the Summer months which means, you are less stressed out and more willing to buy and be happy because Happy Time is around the corner.

September is you coming back from vacation and still feeling good.

Why would you move from those months?

In addition, if it was so easy to sell like Floyd has done in those months, how come others are following the same thinking Floyd is?

Floyd sells. Bottom line. He gets the credit.

Posted March 14, 2014 5:00 pm 


Gustavo

350,000 PPV Buys for two Mexican fighters on US soil is actually REALLY good. Televisa bought the rights to the fight, so it was free to boxing fans in Mexico. Like it or not, Canelo is a star… if his next two fights are against good non-Mexican fighters and he wins, he turns into a super-star.

Posted March 14, 2014 4:57 pm 


Popkins

Canelo is America/south America’s second biggest boxing star, yet a Fillipino who is past his peak and has lost twice recently is still doing higher pay per view figures. PAC is a boxing legend. Canelo’s numbers r good tho.

Posted March 14, 2014 4:56 pm 


B Red

Ken, it wasnt his first PPV, it was his second.

Posted March 14, 2014 4:46 pm 


B Red

Pac star power is fading ever since the devastating knocked he suffered by the hands of Marquez. There is not a big buzz on the Bradley fight so I dont think it will break a mill buys. My prediction is some where around 700,000 buys. Another reason for his dismall numbers are the fact, top rank has a very thin stable of fighters to choose from. The 24/7 episodes that Pac are in are also very boring, so that doesnt help either.

Posted March 14, 2014 4:43 pm 


Ken

Why are there so many people hating on Canelo? It was his first PPV and it did better than FMJ first ppv and he fought Gatti which was a much bigger name than Angulo!

Posted March 14, 2014 4:41 pm 


te tumbo

neither is Mayweather outside of May or September and without the fanbase that’s kept boxing alive for the past 30 years.

Posted March 14, 2014 4:40 pm 


B Red

canelo is not a ppv star period.

Posted March 14, 2014 4:30 pm 


lee

That means that this fight did better numbers than Pac/rios even though the fight barely got any mainstream promotion. Shows just how badly Pacs star is fading. Also why Pac should take considerably less of a purse split if he ever has the balls to face mayweather. 80/20 split should be looking enticing to Pac.

Posted March 14, 2014 4:27 pm 


te tumbo

. . . and believe me. i would love for “Money” to establish July 4 or Memorial Day on the customary fight-calendar. until he does, he is piggybacking off of already established fight-weekends.

Posted March 14, 2014 4:26 pm 


te tumbo

“This debunks any notion that Canelo was TOTAL reason the Floyd fight sold as some major writers tried to proclaim”. NO it doesn’t. first of all, this wasnt’ a Cinco de May or September fight-card; second, both fighters were coming off of losses; and third, there was little suspense regarding the outcome. until Floyd establishes his own fight-night tradition like Chavez Sr. and DLH did, he continues to follow the fanbase not create his own.

Posted March 14, 2014 4:23 pm 


eric

Canelo loosing to Mayweather also play’s a a part in lower numbers.

Posted March 14, 2014 4:09 pm 


Big Moe

This debunks any notion that Canelo was TOTAL reason the Floyd fight sold as some major writers tried to proclaim. and half these fans were Angulos. Canelo fans wouldn’t throw things on their hero.

Posted March 14, 2014 4:03 pm 


Hec Dog

Those numbers are padded. Canelo is a decent draw, but SHOWTIME love to boost up those numbers for their fighters.

Posted March 14, 2014 4:00 pm 


B Red

Titopa, Im not sure if Guerrero can even headline a regular showtime card at this point, unless you match him against Adrien Broner or maybe Pauli

Posted March 14, 2014 3:57 pm 


Dazani

If Floyd sells 1 million PPV buys fighting Maidana then I just don’t know what to say other than, Damn, this kid can really sell a fight.

Posted March 14, 2014 3:52 pm 


The Mad Scientist

I say not bad considering its the kid first PPV where he’s the main attraction and he and his opponent were both coming off of loses..I for the record didn’t pay for this fight..

Posted March 14, 2014 3:52 pm 


Titopa

*decides

Posted March 14, 2014 3:50 pm 


Titopa

I guess the numbers are decent considering the card was weak…the main event was the only fight “worth” watching, just not worth the PPV price-tag. If/when Golden Boy decided to bring Canelo back on PPV, they better be ready to stack the card like pancakes.

Posted March 14, 2014 3:49 pm 


Titopa

B Red – Floyd fought Guerrero and that did over a million. So yeah.

Posted March 14, 2014 3:47 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Well over 350,000 PPV means about 20 million and Canelo is getting a nice chunk of that to go along with his guarantee of 1.25mil..maybe Enema can tell us how much more when he joins us here shortly..Lol!

Posted March 14, 2014 3:46 pm 


B Red

Titopa, yep Floyd was clearly the draw

Posted March 14, 2014 3:45 pm 


B Red

Bradley and Marquez did the same numbers, and that was considered a flop by some people.

Posted March 14, 2014 3:43 pm 


Titopa

B Red – Further clearing up that Floyd WAS the draw vs Canelo, not the other way around…Canelo helped him break a record, yes, but we now see what kinda draw Canelo is when he’s on his own.

Posted March 14, 2014 3:42 pm 


B Red

Canelo is not a big PPV star yet. The numbers are decent, but its wasnt a knockout. Canelo cant even do a half mill on his own.

Posted March 14, 2014 3:39 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Can’t wait to hear what Enema has to say about this being a flop,, poor guy is probably gonna take another knee..Lol!

Posted March 14, 2014 3:38 pm 


Titopa

Hmm. I guess they’re decent numbers, considering, but still glad I didn’t pay for it.

Posted March 14, 2014 3:30 pm 


BEARS

numbers dont lie haters hating it and puerto ricans claiming it flopped lied.

these numbers are going to grow. bring on canelo vs lara,cotto, martinez, laras boy tark thinks is good churlo. let canelo scalp them all!!!!!!

Posted March 14, 2014 3:19 pm 


wearerofallthebelts

I bought it and i hate myself for it. terrible fights all night. Rip off.

Posted March 14, 2014 3:11 pm 


REM

If I wouldve brought this fight I would’ve been pissed. Whether Angulo took a dive, overtrained, was weightdrained or whatever he wasn’t ready to fight. That was a sham of a ppv event.

Posted March 14, 2014 3:09 pm 


Smoke@Mirrors

Fluff marketing. I just don’t buy it.

Posted March 14, 2014 3:02 pm 


The Mad Scientist

In before the haters in 3,2,1..

Posted March 14, 2014 2:57 pm 


burger

is this a tier two PPV then? ROFL

Posted March 14, 2014 2:53 pm 



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