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the1

John, please, elaborate…

Posted March 21, 2014 8:04 pm 


the1

Auzbox, just for the record, what you claim is”putting you to sleep” talk was a created topic of your own. You understand.that, right?

Posted March 21, 2014 6:31 am 


Hidalg0

“Can we go back to a boxing debate now?”

Let’s.

Posted March 20, 2014 11:50 pm 


Auzbox

But hidalgo your right there is sickos everywhere. Can we go back to a boxing debate now?

Posted March 20, 2014 10:26 pm 


Auzbox

Your making me go to sleep with this. I think this started about Britain and your not even from there

Posted March 20, 2014 10:24 pm 


The1

Sounds like you’d better add matches and lighters to the “no-no list” after hearing those stats.

Posted March 20, 2014 10:17 pm 


The1

Hidalgo got the beat!!!!! Auz, ban silverware and cars too.

Posted March 20, 2014 10:13 pm 


Hidalg0

“Yeh well you keep shooting up schools and innocent people. ”

Auzbox, the population of the United States is around 400 million people. The percentage of wackos going around shooting up schools, fast-food restaurants, and post offices, is so small it doesn’t even register on the percent-of-population scale. If the nuts that do that kind of stuff can’t do it with a gun, they’ll use something else. I mean in Thailand a guy recently went wild with a machete. And wasn’t it in China just a week or so ago that a guy went berserk with a knife? You don’t need a gun to kill a lot of people. But believe me, even a pistol like a 9mm Beretta has the potential to kill fifteen people with one clip. These nuts don’t have to use assault rifles to get the job done.

I’m wondering, what explanation do you have for your wacko citizens that like to burn people to death? On purpose. Since 2000 at least 35 Australians have been killed due to deliberately set fires.

Man is a particularly violent creature. Doesn’t matter if he’s American or Australian.

Posted March 20, 2014 8:59 pm 


Auzbox

Ill stick to boxing knowledge something that your poor at. Stick with the runners of the sport like David marathon haye. Good day princess

Posted March 20, 2014 8:21 pm 


Auzbox

Yeh we do have middle eastern gangs but you have more Mexican gang members than we do people in Sydney go figure. 60 percent do live in major cities but that accounts for about 5 percent of our country. As I said before lots of room here. Your country reads as full. Good luck with your gun rights, just waiting for the next massacre which you have 10-15 a year we have had 2 ever. No security in any of our schools…….

Posted March 20, 2014 5:52 pm 


Auzbox

Yeh well you keep shooting up schools and innocent people. Right to bear arms is why there is shootings every day. Yeh hidalgo our major cities are crowded with a population of 20 mill. We have 4 mill in our biggest. You have like 50 or more which is 2.5 times bigger than our whole population. Good to be able to kick a footy 40 yards each way and own the lot.

Posted March 20, 2014 5:47 pm 


Hidalg0

“Lots of land here we don’t live on top of people like you stupid Brits.”

Your major cities are crowded just like in other countries. Sydney and Melbourne alone contain approximately 40% of the entire population of Australia. Perth and Brisbane contain another 19% of your population so almost 60% of all Australians live in just four cities.

“Bikies are in every country and you blokes started it.”

Australia also has problems with Vietnamese and Chinese gangs with the Vietnamese gangs being the worst, but with highly organized Chinese gang organizations in cities like Sydney. Australia also has Middle-Eastern gangs and outlaw motorcycle gangs just like in the U.S. You have a Crime Gang Task force in South Australia that was created specifically to deal with bike gangs. The Comanchero gang is one of the oldest gangs in Australia–Australian born and bred. Australia also has a lot of youth gangs, especially in Melbourne and Sydney. Lots of gangs in Brisbane too.

Look, your country was originally “pioneered” and settled mainly by British rejects and criminals. And for years white Australians practiced genocide of the native aboriginal population. They didn’t learn that from “Americans.” In fact, it was Europeans like the Spanish, English, Dutch, and French that introduced genocide to the world.

Posted March 20, 2014 12:26 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

Dazana – “Tyson: One shot bombs did him in. Although he just became lazy in general”. Once Tyson lost the D’Amato/Rooney head movement, it did him in. As for Joe Louis, a he was a combination of puncher/boxer, and I think that’s what made him so great and his reign so long and enduring. Louis could box or mix it up. Jimmy Young used great boxing to neutralize Foreman, whereas Lyle went right at him. Lyle fought fire with fire and tried to beat Foreman at his own game

Posted March 20, 2014 7:03 am 


the1

Auzbox, stop being a globalist puppet shill. Don’t worry about our Gun laws. Our constitution grants us a right to bear arms. An armed society is a polite one. And gun laws don’t and have never applied to criminals, all they do is take away law abiding citizens rights to.protect themselves from those criminals. Let’s “assume” you learned something from this. Stop listening to mainstream propaganda you sleepy sheep.

Posted March 20, 2014 6:57 am 


the1

Auzbox, mike Tyson is not.David Hate, pumpkin. And the Klitschkos are top notch in boxing (even though Vitali was a proven puppet elect for Ukraine). Don’t compare the Klitschkos to Wilder when trying to findand answer.for.Haye. Garbage man is coming today, hurry up and go set out by the trash so you don’t miss your ride.

Posted March 20, 2014 6:48 am 


Auzbox

Bikies are in every country and you blokes started it. Milat is in supermax and will never get out. Port Arthur wasn’t a school shooting. We changed our laws that day, once again you blokes haven’t changed any just made it easier. You can buy a gun at a supermarket are you fuc king serious

Posted March 20, 2014 6:05 am 


Auzbox

Come on tark get a sense of humor. How’s your country and your gun laws. You don’t see people shooting schools up in Australia or gang violence

Posted March 20, 2014 1:49 am 


Auzbox

Lots of land here we don’t live on top of people like you stupid Brits. Your soccer fa gs with there diving. Not real men. Then you get a fighter fighting for the heavyweight title and the bitc h runs. When our boy takes on wlad he won’t run be sure of that

Posted March 20, 2014 1:02 am 


Auzbox

Tony Abbott. The bogans didn’t vote for him, the big wigs did. Get back to your tea and scones, while your at it teach the english cricket team how to play cricket

Posted March 20, 2014 12:54 am 


Auzbox

Rename yourself outside the top5 its what haye will always be. A bride

Posted March 20, 2014 12:50 am 


Auzbox

Haye never beats any of the klits brothers in any life time on any planet, he should take up the marathon, he runs well

Posted March 20, 2014 12:48 am 


Auzbox

Obviously your boxing knowledge is poor. Sparring doesn’t determine a fight. Tyson smashed Lewis in sparring, fight was different. Haye runs from the fight against good fighters. He is nothing but a loud mouth pom. Your not undefeated I think till wilder gets beat get back in your dog house

Posted March 20, 2014 12:47 am 


the1

I agree with that Joseph Herron.

Posted March 20, 2014 12:11 am 


Joseph Herron

the1: “Joseph Herron, I’m refferring to Deontay Wilder. David Haye would and will beat him badly. They sparred and David had him looking horrible. Hey was in and and out with solid on the mark shots that jarred Wilder and wilder was swinging wildly and missing like he couldn’t see and swinging at the air. Haye was cut in the session but it was from a Wilder elbow.”

i agree that a healthy version of David Haye potentially beats anyone in the division with his brand of explosive power.

He is a very underrated defensive fighter who is hard to hit cleanly because of his reflexes and slippery upper body and head movement. Couple that with his speed and power, and he potentially stops anyone in the division.

But where has that guy been? Have we ever seen the complete version of David Haye in the Heavyweight division? Not since he destroyed Derek Chisora many moons ago.

To me, David’s a non factor if he can’t stay healthy.

Posted March 19, 2014 11:59 pm 


the1

To simplify what I think Tark is saying is… His handlers have got to challenge him and let him take his knocks for him to improve as a fighter. If he keeps feasting on turdlings, once a real challenge is opposite him, he may get beat to sleep.

Posted March 19, 2014 11:57 pm 


the1

Lol @ honey badger

Posted March 19, 2014 11:33 pm 


the1

Sorry, beating bigger guys is what I meant. Though Valuev was out on his feet.

Posted March 19, 2014 11:32 pm 


the1

What has David Haye done for you, the assumer, to say he did this in Am but nothing in pros? Besides, he’s not a stranger to knocking out big, over hyped fighters. Remember Nikolai Valuev?

Posted March 19, 2014 11:16 pm 


the1

Auzbox, assuming I was a Brit was your first of 2 mistakes, as I’m from the U.S. secondly, you somehow are trying to argue facts with no logic. As I stated, they sparred, Haye took it to him. Not only that; as a fan you should know styles make a fight. A very fast, elusive, hard puncher against a tall but very raw, wild swinging, untested fighter. I think its safe to say you don’t know boxing or even what end you go to the bathroom out of for that matter.

Posted March 19, 2014 11:13 pm 


Auzbox

The1 your ob a Brit, haye would have his hands full with fury let alone wilder. Sparring counts for nothing once the fight starts. How many fighters say they won sparring or in the ametuers then get there pants handed to them. Heaps of them.

Posted March 19, 2014 10:57 pm 


the1

I can assure you that at any time in Wilder’s career he fights David Haye he will be beaten so badly that people will erase his name from boxing history in their head.

Posted March 19, 2014 10:50 pm 


the1

Joseph Herron, I’m refferring to Deontay Wilder. David Haye would and will beat him badly. They sparred and David had him looking horrible. Hey was in and and out with solid on the mark shots that jarred Wilder and wilder was swinging wildly and missing like he couldn’t see and swinging at the air. Haye was cut in the session but it was from a Wilder elbow.

Posted March 19, 2014 10:48 pm 


Hidalg0

“Thats like saying it was cheating …”

What is?

Posted March 19, 2014 9:47 pm 


Joseph Herron

Although Deontay is a former Olympian, he still considers himself to be learning on the job.

Despite being one of the most confident fighters in boxing at this time, his resume compared to a real work horse like Derek Chisora pales in comparison.

But he’s getting his title shot later this year whether he’s ready or not. He believes he is, and that’s ultimately what’s most important.

Every great trainer insists that this game is predominately mental.

We’ll see what happens later this year!!

Posted March 19, 2014 9:40 pm 


Dazani

Joshua is 24 and Wilder is 28 so maybe Wilder thinks the time is now and Joshua can come along in 2 years.

Posted March 19, 2014 9:01 pm 


Dazani

Joseph Herron:

If there was only One Belt and that Belt was Held (and is) by Wlad, would his handlers think he is ready? I think not. But I guess the “next step” at this point is not much of a big step because there is Wlad……………..and then a big fall off.

He has a punchers chance against Wlad. That’s about it at this point. And Wlad is 37 so that says a lot.

that said, there are still good matchups for him to be tested in without having to have the odds stacked against him like they would against Wlad.

Posted March 19, 2014 8:59 pm 


Joseph Herron

Dazani: “Anthony Joshua and Wilder just need a little more time of schooling in the gym and on fight-night to get battle tested. If you keep having easier fights, you are never going to learn what you are doing wrong. Luckly for Wilder, he sparred with the likes of Wlad and Haye so at least he is did that right. Fighters get better with quality sparring. Holmes was a Great Example of that.”

Apparently, Wilder’s handlers feel that he has everything he needs to win a title in this version of the Heavyweight division. We’re going to find out in the eventual title fight if it’s too soon or right on time.

Joshua just turned pro, so he is still a work in progress. He does need time and nurturing at the professional level.

But both fighters have enormous potential if handled properly.

Posted March 19, 2014 8:51 pm 


Dazani

Joseph Herron

Anthony Joshua and Wilder just need a little more time of schooling in the gym and on fight-night to get battle tested. If you keep having easier fights, you are never going to learn what you are doing wrong. Luckly for Wilder, he sparred with the likes of Wlad and Haye so at least he is did that right.

Fighters get better with quality sparring. Holmes was a Great Example of that.

Posted March 19, 2014 8:43 pm 


Dazani

Tomato Can Stan

Dazani – Its a dire mistake to think you’re power will always win the day. If you look at boxing history, its usually the slick, scientific pugilist that usually emerges victor. Yes, power punchers sometimes do get lucky, but more than often the boxer will triumph over the puncher. Sullivan/Corbett, Tunney/Dempsey, Liston/Ali are great examples.
Posted March 19, 2014 6:00 pm

FOREMAN was more effective leading up to and for Frazier than he was after. Afterwards, if anyone noticed, he traded in the Jab and came out bombs away with those massive hooks. That led him to disaster against Ali who I think would have been vulnerable to a Formean power Jab. That Jab also helped pace Foreman’s attack even though he came for destruction.

Tyson: One shot bombs did him in. Although he just became lazy in general.

One shot bombs did Ruddock in.

Many others.

The opposite effect, from what I’ve seen a bit and read, was with Marciano who was more reliant on his one shot power early on but later learned to throw accumulation shots with good power but not necessarily that one shot bomb HR swing because more was better.

JOE LOUIS: I love Louis. There are two types of power punches Louis threw: One was those short, accurate, sharp punches that could stun you and sometimes knock you out and then there was those Cock Back explosion One Shot BOMBER shots he threw but ONLY when he threw those short power shots first that stunned you or setup those big Bombs. Those big Bombs I am talking about are the shots you see in the HL films where guys go flying across the ring and twirling around like it is a cartoon.

Posted March 19, 2014 8:37 pm 


Joseph Herron

But like I posted earlier, he will be facing a battle tested pressure fighter with some pop in his next bout for the WBC Heavyweight title.

It should be fun to see Deontay at ringside on May 10th!!

Posted March 19, 2014 6:46 pm 


Joseph Herron

Dazani: “The HW division needs Big Punchers with Such KO power. He is also kinda of a character which is needed.”

You’re absolutely right about that, Dazani. Like Tomato Can stated earlier, you need more to become a long reigning Heavyweight Champion, but power and personality goes a long way when building a fan base and capturing the interest of the mainstream and casual sports fan.

At this time, Deontay is the leading candidate in America and sure does look the part up to this point…explosive punches with speed and power, charismatic personality…he’s definitely the most promising of all young American Heavyweights.

Across the pond, Anthony Joshua really has those same attributes as well. I was never really high on prospect David Price, but Joshua has a lot to be excited about.

With promoters and networks finally showcasing Heavyweight bouts again on a regular basis, we could see a big man resurgence in 2014-15!!

Posted March 19, 2014 6:37 pm 


Joseph Herron

Tomato Can Stan: “Herron – You really can’t judge a fighter until he is tested. The jury is still out on Wilder. I’m not defending him or trying to detract him either. But I want to be fair. C’mon man, give the guy a chance. Boxers have always surprised in the past, but they’ve been over-hyped as well. Time will tell. Let’s wait and see.”

Well said, TC…As I’m sure you can tell by listening to the show, I’m a big advocate of Deontay’s potential. Although I recognize that many intelligent boxing trainers like Gogue, and several others aren’t sold on Wilder just yet, it doesn’t mean that I necessarily share their degree of cynicism.

While several of my friends like Rick Morones, who usually hosts the Boxing 411 series with me, James Gogue, and Heavyweight contender Bryant Jennings truly believed that an upset was going to happen this past Saturday, both JK and I were convinced that Deontay was going to stop Scott in the early rounds.

But you’re absolutely right…in the immortal words of Teddy Atlas: “The truth comes to you pretty quickly in squared circle.”

We’ll just have to wait and see what’s in the cards for Deontay Wilder.

Posted March 19, 2014 6:08 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

Dazani – Its a dire mistake to think you’re power will always win the day. If you look at boxing history, its usually the slick, scientific pugilist that usually emerges victor. Yes, power punchers sometimes do get lucky, but more than often the boxer will triumph over the puncher. Sullivan/Corbett, Tunney/Dempsey, Liston/Ali are great examples.

Posted March 19, 2014 6:00 pm 


Dazani

Tomato Can Stan

Herron – You really can’t judge a fighter until he is tested. The jury is still out on Wilder. I’m not defending him or trying to detract him either. But I want to be fair. C’mon man, give the guy a chance. Boxers have always surprised in the past, but they’ve been over-hyped as well. Time will tell. Let’s wait and see.
Posted March 19, 2014 5:40 pm

For me, I am just hoping he continually improves, continually wants to improve and will make corrections, doesn’t get carried away with thinking his Power is going to bail him out, and so on.

The HW division needs Big Punchers with Such KO power.

He is also kinda of a character which is needed.

Posted March 19, 2014 5:46 pm 


Dazani

“But to his credit, that’s all he’s needed up to this point. It’s going to be interesting to see how he reacts when initially faced with serious adversity. Wlad didn’t handle it well…we’ll see if Wilder has the intestinal fortitude to handle it better.” ~Joseph Herron

In that video title I posted up, it discusses Wlad’s mental state when pressured. One example of a turning point was the Sam Peter Fight. As stated, He had to decide if he wanted to be Champion…and he succeeded.

Wilder has to be tested and it will be interesting to see how he handles it. Maybe thats what he needs to push him to the next level.

As far as the McCall, Sanders reference…Great HWs have always run into that one fighter that isn’t going to the HOF that really tests them or even beats them. Sometimes its right before their prime, in their prime, or catches them as they are no longer mentally all there and that’s when you are tested with how you bounce back. Boxing is truly a representation of Life.

Posted March 19, 2014 5:44 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

Herron – You really can’t judge a fighter until he is tested. The jury is still out on Wilder. I’m not defending him or trying to detract him either. But I want to be fair. C’mon man, give the guy a chance. Boxers have always surprised in the past, but they’ve been over-hyped as well. Time will tell. Let’s wait and see.

Posted March 19, 2014 5:40 pm 


Joseph Herron

Dazani: Youtube search (under BAYLORIC): JAMES ALI BASHIR “DEONTAY WILDER GOT DROPPED BY WLADMIR KLITSCHKO IN SPARRING. I just started to listen to it and some things are interesting whats being discussed.”

That’s really when the light bulb started to turn on in Deontay’s head…before that experience, he never really understood the concept of using his feet as the foundation of his defense.

Since working with Wlad, he’s become a very smart, tall and rangy fighter who utilizes his height and reach extremely well.

Posted March 19, 2014 5:37 pm 


Joseph Herron

Dazani: “I’m not saying he doesn’t have potential but maybe he needs to add someone to his camp that can work on his ability because I don’t see his talent in the same ilk as Bowe, Lewis, Klitschkos.”

He doesn’t, Dazani. Those fighters you mentioned have a long and extensive amateur background, in which they faced pretty much every style and experienced every ring scenario before turning pro.

Deontay is still learning on the job…that’s why very smart boxing people like James Gogue and several others aren’t sold on Wilder just yet.

There’s no debating his power and his ability to use his feet as the foundation of his defense. He also uses his jab extremely well. He has an arsenal of basic offensive tools…stiff jab, left hook, and straight right hand.

But to his credit, that’s all he’s needed up to this point. It’s going to be interesting to see how he reacts when initially faced with serious adversity. Wlad didn’t handle it well…we’ll see if Wilder has the intestinal fortitude to handle it better.

My guess is that he does…he seems to be genuinely mentally durable, and has a serious mean streak in the ring.

But only time will tell…and it always does in the sport of boxing. Everyone is eventually faced with their version of Oliver McCall or Corrie Sanders.

Posted March 19, 2014 5:34 pm 


Dazani

Youtube search (under BAYLORIC): JAMES ALI BASHIR “DEONTAY WILDER GOT DROPPED BY WLADMIR KLITSCHKO IN SPARRING”

I just started to listen to it and some things are interesting whats being discussed.

Posted March 19, 2014 5:26 pm 


Dazani

I’m am glad he is around. He is adding excitement to the HW division again. Anthony Joshua as well.

Posted March 19, 2014 5:21 pm 


Dazani

I’m not saying he doesn’t have potential but maybe he needs to add someone to his camp that can work on his ability because I don’t see his talent in the same ilk as Bowe, Lewis, Klitschkos.

Posted March 19, 2014 5:18 pm 


Joseph Herron

Wilder could be in for a rude awakening when he fights the winner of Arreola versus Stiverne.

These are guys who can take a punch and can also apply effective aggression. They both cut off the ring extremely well and can put their punches together on the inside in combination.

Unless Wilder is like Wladmir Klitschko, who can effectively tie his opposition up on the inside after years of having opponents put pressure on him, he’s going to be in serious trouble when either Arreola or Stiverne closes the distance.

Wilder fights extremely well from long range and is able to keep his opponents at a safe distance by using his feet and that telephone pole jab.

His athleticism and power are his greatest assets, but he’s never faced anyone who can close the distance and continuously apply intelligent pressure.

It will be interesting to see how Wilder reacts when he can’t keep someone at the end of his jab.

Posted March 19, 2014 5:17 pm 


Dazani

Unless your Wlad or Vitali in today’s era, The way to fight Wilder is to apply heavy pressure. The Big guys rely on height and reach to keep their foe off. That’s also how they cover the stamina issue many big guys have that tend to get exposed by those that pressure them and hit them to the body. Of course, finding such a fighter is hard to find so until then…

Posted March 19, 2014 5:16 pm 


Dazani

Hidalg0

“I would pick many HWs of the past to mess him up. His skills are terrible and I question his chin and stamina. ”

The HWs of the past have no relevance to Wilder other than that they were, like him, heavyweights.

His skills are actually quite obvious. The controversies should be about what type of skills he has, not question whether he has them. Knocking out 31 of 31 opponents most certainly proves that Wilder has the skill to knock everyone out. Having that kind of power is pretty much undisputable. But more than that, it’s not just about power when it comes to KOing somebody. It’s also about having the skill to consistently deliver those kinds of punches. Wilder could be the strongest man in the world, but if he didn’t have the skills to deliver his KO punches effectively–this includes timing, speed, power, and recognizing the opportunities to do so, his power wouldn’t do him much good.

You can question Wilder’s chin all you want, but it’s a non-issue until someone gets to it. The man has clobbered every single opponent he has fought. Worrying about the durability of his chin is a futile effort at this time.
Posted March 19, 2014 4:58 pm

NO, it does not prove he can knock everyone out. The fighters he is facing have no toughness. They have no skill in how to roll with the punches or even counter back. Or going back to toughness, to Mentally take those punches.

Posted March 19, 2014 5:11 pm 


PEEJ

Thats like saying it was cheating having Corrales at 130 or Paul Williams at 147 or having the Charlo Brothers at 154 since they are taller than most. Next thing people are gonna say we need a weight division and a height division.

Posted March 19, 2014 5:00 pm 


Hidalg0

As to Wilder’s stamina, well, when someone has the ability to carry him past four rounds, we’ll find out. But I’m guessing his stamina is just fine and he’d have no problems going a full 12 rounds.

Posted March 19, 2014 4:59 pm 


PEEJ

You have a new division then we just have a fatter Arreola in it, a fatter Chambers in it, would of had a bigger Byrd built up in there. A super heavy is not the answer. Heck we already argue that there are to many divisions to begin with. Now folks want to add another one. On top of that who would actually be in it? Wlad and Wilder. So you have 2 fighters in the new division. Can’t go by weight because they Tua would be in it and Tua is barely 6ft tall.

Posted March 19, 2014 4:59 pm 


Hidalg0

“I would pick many HWs of the past to mess him up. His skills are terrible and I question his chin and stamina. ”

The HWs of the past have no relevance to Wilder other than that they were, like him, heavyweights.

His skills are actually quite obvious. The controversies should be about what type of skills he has, not question whether he has them. Knocking out 31 of 31 opponents most certainly proves that Wilder has the skill to knock everyone out. Having that kind of power is pretty much undisputable. But more than that, it’s not just about power when it comes to KOing somebody. It’s also about having the skill to consistently deliver those kinds of punches. Wilder could be the strongest man in the world, but if he didn’t have the skills to deliver his KO punches effectively–this includes timing, speed, power, and recognizing the opportunities to do so, his power wouldn’t do him much good.

You can question Wilder’s chin all you want, but it’s a non-issue until someone gets to it. The man has clobbered every single opponent he has fought. Worrying about the durability of his chin is a futile effort at this time.

Posted March 19, 2014 4:58 pm 


joey

why not scrap it instead.

Posted March 19, 2014 4:57 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

Anonymous – “The Giants of today are more athletic than yesterday’s Ogres”. Yes, that’s why I said they are evolving. Hence perhaps its time for a new division

Posted March 19, 2014 4:50 pm 


Dazani

Hidalg0

I have always said that the Klitschko brothers success has been in large part due to their size advantage over the many of their opponents. It’s interesting to me that Deontay said he didn’t feel that anyone under 6’5″ tall could challenge him. He basically said if they aren’t close to being as tall as he is, they have no chance against him. It’s nice to have my opinions justsified by an actual fighter once in a while.
Posted March 19, 2014 1:44 pm

He hasn’t fought or sparred anyone skilled enough because this era lacks in quality fighters.

I would pick many HWs of the past to mess him up. His skills are terrible and I question his chin and stamina.

He hasn’t proven much to be honest to be compared to the dangerous Super-HWs like Bowe, Lewis, Klitschkos…

Posted March 19, 2014 4:47 pm 


Dazani

PEEJ

Got to have some type of skills to go with that size. What about all them tall guys that where beat by smaller guys. You have to have some skills to go along with being tall. Wlad was beat Brewster. Don’t think Brewster is 6’5 but I a not really sure. I just know if you don’t have the skills, being tall isn’t gonna matter. Wilder needs to actually fight someone that can fight back.
Posted March 19, 2014 1:59 pm

Agree. It’s the Tall/Big Guys with skills to back it up that are the problem. Just being big isn’t going to do it against a 200+ natural HW that is smaller but better skilled and trained.

That last post below was my post as well. Hit the button to fast.

Posted March 19, 2014 4:43 pm 


Anonymous

Tomato Can Stan

Hidalgo – The Klitschkos did enjoy a size advantage, and Lewis did as well. But all those men could box fairly well too. If you are big that doesn’t necessarily mean you will be a good fighter, as Jess Willard, Primo Carnera, Tye Fields and Julius Long attested too. But heavyweights are evolving in terms of size, that’s why I’ve said repeatedly on here that they should begin a Super Heavyweight division.
Posted March 19, 2014 3:22 pm

The Giants of today are more athletic than yesterday’s Ogres. And if anyone goes back and looks, it’s quite obvious in all sports that the Big Men of today are “Bigger, Stronger, Faster.”

Posted March 19, 2014 4:41 pm 


Popkins

Most of this era’s heavyweight hav weighed far too heavy for their frames. Solis, Peter, Toney, Arreola, Fury, Chisora, Povetkin, Thompson… They’ve all weighed 15-20 pounds too much in multiple fights throughout their careers. If Holyfield had used Arreola’s training Evander probably cud hav hit the scales at 250 pounds easily instead if the ripped 215 pounds he was. Wud the Real Deal hav performed any better carrying an extra 2 stone of flab? .

Posted March 19, 2014 4:33 pm 


Hidalg0

It is a huge fallacy to think that just because a boxer is very big that he sacrifices endurance or stamina. If they train properly, they will be prepared to go whatever distance the fight requires.

Posted March 19, 2014 4:19 pm 


Hidalg0

“But heavyweights are evolving in terms of size, that’s why I’ve said repeatedly on here that they should begin a Super Heavyweight division.”

No kidding. I’ve long been an advocate for the creation of a super heavyweight division.

Posted March 19, 2014 4:17 pm 


PEEJ

The average journeyman wouldn’t do well against any of the top heavies. And Byrd and Chambers may be fast but they can still make weights lower than Heavy. And my point is no matter how many weight classes you have, you will have fighters trying to make it their when they really don’t belong. Chambers and Byrd really didn’t belong at heavy. But they put the weight on to fight there.

Posted March 19, 2014 4:16 pm 


Popkins

Liston’s power was equal to Wlad’s and Haye’s. His stamina and reach was greater.

Posted March 19, 2014 4:13 pm 


Popkins

I would pick a 210 pound Haye to beat any heavyweight not named Klitschko. Now imagine how successful 215-220 pound fighters like an early 60′s Liston and an 80′s Tyson would have done against the 2004-2014 crop of heavyweights.

Posted March 19, 2014 4:11 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

But Byrd and Chambers had extraordinary reflexes and movement. The average heavyweight journeyman will not fare too well against the biggies.

Posted March 19, 2014 4:00 pm 


PEEJ

Your right. Just like Chris Byrd was at a disadvantage but he wanted to fight the heavies. So fighters will always find a way to fight the bigger guys. Eddie Chambers is another one.

Posted March 19, 2014 3:57 pm 


lol

if they get any bigger they wont be able to go the full 3 rounds.

Posted March 19, 2014 3:52 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

Peej – Then guys like Arreola and Adamak will always be at a disadvantage against talented giants.

Posted March 19, 2014 3:46 pm 


PEEJ

No they should not develop a super heavyweight division. Yes some of the heavyweights are getting tall. And they are also gaining some skills as most tall heavies never really had those skills. But if you look at some heavies today they are way out of shape and could easily make cruiser or even light heavy. Or their are some who put on muscle to get bigger to fight at heavy. If you have a super heavy weight division all that is gonna happen is we are going to have even fatter fighters or fighters trying to put on even more muscle mass to make that division. Super Heavy is not the answer.

Posted March 19, 2014 3:42 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

Hidalgo – The Klitschkos did enjoy a size advantage, and Lewis did as well. But all those men could box fairly well too. If you are big that doesn’t necessarily mean you will be a good fighter, as Jess Willard, Primo Carnera, Tye Fields and Julius Long attested too. But heavyweights are evolving in terms of size, that’s why I’ve said repeatedly on here that they should begin a Super Heavyweight division.

Posted March 19, 2014 3:22 pm 


PEEJ

Ok that is understandable. I bet though if Wilder does have a glass chin and it gets exposed. He would then just get rushed. Reminds me of the Martin Lawrence movie Rebound. He was the middle school basketball coach. He went around school trying to recruit whatever talent they had which was basically none. But they found a big tall kid but was uncoordinated. They told him just to stand in the middle and not touch the ball or anything. Well the other team was scared to go to the middle. Then when he was running he just fell cause he was so uncoordinated. From then on the middle was wide open. So if he does have a glass chin, which I have no clue if he does or doesn’t. He better learn those Wlad skills.

Posted March 19, 2014 3:05 pm 


Popkins

Could Wilder b the best American heavyweight since a mid 90′s Holyfield? … If the bronze bomber can demolish Arreola and someone like Perez and Povetkin this year …Wlad v Wilder has potential to b a mega fight in 2015. I hope he continues to look impressive. It’s refreshing to see heavyweight from the US who likes to fight, has awesome power and enters the ring looking like an athlete, and not like an overweight bloke who’s just been pulled out of a Burger King.

Posted March 19, 2014 2:40 pm 


Hidalg0

BTW Joseph, it was great listening to Bill Kaplan. He’s been around the sport for so long he’s a living walking database of boxing history and memories.

Posted March 19, 2014 2:28 pm 


Hidalg0

Until Tommy Hearns’s glass chin was exposed, it was his size combined with his fine boxing skills and incredible hand speed that made him one of the most feared welterweights at the time. Most of his opponents could just not cope with his height and his very long reach. But his skills and speed were not so great that were he say, 5’9″ , that he would have especially great advantages over an opponent of the same size. Tommy is 6’1″ and has a 78″ reach. His reach was eight inches longer than Benitz’s, four inches longer than Leonard’s, eight inches longer than Cuevas’, and if he was fighting today he’d have a six inch reach advantage and bout a five inch height advantage over Floyd. Tommy’s natural physical advantages helped hi to win fights and to become an imposing, feared welterweight fighter.

Posted March 19, 2014 2:24 pm 


Hidalg0

“Got to have some type of skills to go with that size. ”

Of course, Peej. And that qualifies my point about size all the more. Deontay has great confidence in his skills and power but he feels his size, his physical advantages over his opponents, are what give him the edge. So, in Deontay’s mind, he already has the skills to beat his opponents and his size advantage just tops off his whole package as a fighter.

Posted March 19, 2014 2:15 pm 


PEEJ

Got to have some type of skills to go with that size. What about all them tall guys that where beat by smaller guys. You have to have some skills to go along with being tall. Wlad was beat Brewster. Don’t think Brewster is 6’5 but I a not really sure. I just know if you don’t have the skills, being tall isn’t gonna matter. Wilder needs to actually fight someone that can fight back.

Posted March 19, 2014 1:59 pm 


Hidalg0

Let me rephrase, it’s nice to have my opinions qualified (rather than “justified” as I previously stated).

Posted March 19, 2014 1:46 pm 


Hidalg0

BTW, Deontay is great LOL! B-O-M-B S-Q-U-A-D!!!!!

Posted March 19, 2014 1:45 pm 


Hidalg0

I have always said that the Klitschko brothers success has been in large part due to their size advantage over the many of their opponents. It’s interesting to me that Deontay said he didn’t feel that anyone under 6’5″ tall could challenge him. He basically said if they aren’t close to being as tall as he is, they have no chance against him. It’s nice to have my opinions justsified by an actual fighter once in a while.

Posted March 19, 2014 1:44 pm 


hayemaker

bring on wilder vs perez who can take a punch…thats a real test for wilder

Posted March 19, 2014 12:10 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

To KO all 31 of your opponents is impressive; it shows freakish power. I don’t think Scott was a bum, he had only one loss before this. He got hit square on the temple which puts a fighter on queer street, especially from a powerful guy.

Posted March 19, 2014 9:26 am 


Anonymous

all bums go sprawling.

Posted March 19, 2014 9:11 am 


Tomato Can Stan

This dude Wilder is scary. He taps a guy and they go sprawling. Heavyweights are certainly evolving in terms of size and power. I mean, put a photo of Joe Louis next to this guy Wilder. They should really start a Super Heavyweight division.

Posted March 19, 2014 9:00 am 


Ray Ray

B Red- ha ha ha nice get…he does look like a younger Sugar

Posted March 19, 2014 5:13 am 


Auzbox

Good to see a good 50/50 fight. Porter is the next gen. Looking forward to this fight.

Posted March 19, 2014 1:52 am 


Joseph Herron

Who are you referring to, The 1?

Posted March 19, 2014 12:54 am 


The1

This bum and scared fighter stuff has me about to call him out myself on YouTube.

Posted March 18, 2014 11:49 pm 


The1

Whether or not the guy was paid to lay down doesn’t matter. He can’t fight going backwards so they have made a slow go of it with his progress. The first guy that is not afraid and charges him with a barrage will lay him out colder than the ice cubes in your freezer. Peple are afraid to rush him because of size. He not polished yet and a little courage and some pop will put him in REM sleep.

Posted March 18, 2014 11:46 pm 


The1

Ok, Scott was moving away from the left and it didn’t land.hard. the straight right hit and breached Scotts gloves but was left of his face(shot totally missed). Does it say more more about.Wilder or Scott? This guy can’t fight going backward. Arreola will beat him to pieces and I think.Stiverne would.too.

Posted March 18, 2014 10:49 pm 


Luke

Let’s be perfectly honest…a world class Malik Scott easily beat a world class Szar Glaskov and Deontay Wilder just STARCHED Malik Scott!! I am now officially a devout believer in the bomb squad!!! Congrats to Deontay!!

Posted March 18, 2014 9:53 pm 


Luke

That’s what I’m talkin bout!!

Posted March 18, 2014 9:47 pm 


Luke

Alabama Power!!

Posted March 18, 2014 9:47 pm 


Luke

Nixon fled NY due to legal problems and fought the majority of his career outta LA

Posted March 18, 2014 9:44 pm 


Luke

Nixon was from my home town, Binghamton, NY. He handed Mike Rossman his first loss in a fight I couldn’t see live…because I was grounded:((

Posted March 18, 2014 9:41 pm 


Luke

“Do shows”

Posted March 18, 2014 9:39 pm 


Luke

Joseph….did Mr Caplan co promote with Mr Charging…did he shows with Don at the Olympic? If so, what stories can he share with us regarding a fairly skilled 70′s middleweight, The California Knockout Artist Mike Nixon??

Posted March 18, 2014 9:39 pm 



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