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Tomato Can Stan

Auzbox – “Bradley beat PAC”. Pacquiao out-landed him and was the aggressor. It was a bum decision.

Posted March 24, 2014 8:10 am 


Anonymous

FAKE TARK… You’re not funny, just drop dead.

Posted March 24, 2014 2:01 am 


TARK

I did a te Tumbo in my colostomy bag …..

Posted March 24, 2014 1:58 am 


Proud African

Bradley won the fight. Pac was just showboating and did not connect most of the time. He deservedly lost.

Posted March 23, 2014 10:23 pm 


TARK

It doesn’t matter if a result is “official” or not…

Bradley officially beat Pacquiao in their first fight… But he got badly outscored by effective punches and lost in most people’s eyes. If 2 judges thought Mayweather-Canelo was a draw, instead of just one judge — that official result would have been wrong and there would have been a rematch.

Posted March 23, 2014 4:15 pm 


TARK

Scottyboy wrongly states.., “The scorecards only come into play when the full fight is up or if the fight was stopped due to an accidental cut to one fighter.”

WRONG…. If a fight is stopped due to a cut caused by illegal contact the fight goes to the scorecards.. It doesn’t matter is that action was deliberate or accidental…. Ward-Kessler went to the scorecards for headbutt caused cuts many feel were deliberate.

Lewis delivered a deliberate thumb strike to open the initial nick on Vitali’s left eye in the 3rd round… Then Lewis pulled Vitali into a headlocked clinch and delivered a brutal cuff with the edge and inside of his right glove, to slash open more cuts, while holding Vitali in a headlock… He also rubbed his hair into the wounds… Check it out on the video. If you’re not blind, and aren’t blinded by bias, you’ll see it clear as day.

Posted March 23, 2014 4:05 pm 


psy

LOL. You win 1 internets :D

Posted March 23, 2014 1:52 pm 


Proud African

Hitler also sought political power.

Posted March 23, 2014 1:47 pm 


psy

I didn’t enjoy many of his fights, but his record was superb, and that he is using his clout to drive real, positive change his homeland is awesome.

You might want to consider using him as an example of how a well adjusted human being behaves “Proud African” :).

Posted March 23, 2014 1:44 pm 


Proud African

And the winner was?

Posted March 23, 2014 1:38 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

More damage ? Please…….the laceration was caused by a grazing blow. Lewis took more punishment. He was eating right hands all night and was rocked.

Posted March 23, 2014 1:32 pm 


Proud African

Lennox Lewis inflicted more damage on Vitali who almost wept.

Posted March 23, 2014 1:24 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

scottyboy – “Despite this he managed to hit Vitali in 6 rounds more than any other fighter”. Jabs : Lewis 52/ Klitschko 77. Power Punches : Lewis 50/ Klitschko 79. TOTAL PUNCHES LANDED : Lewis 102/ Klitschko 156.

Do the math.

Posted March 23, 2014 11:44 am 


Pratt

Duhhhhh

Posted March 23, 2014 11:22 am 


scottyboy

Don’t you see that Lewis’ performance was because he was woefully unfit? That accounts for the fatigue you mention and the reason Lewis was nowhere near the level of sharpness he had v tyson, it was a totally different Lennox Lewis in there with Vitali. It wasn’t his tactics that slowed him up v Vitali, it was his chronic lack of fitness caused by a blend of underpreparation and father time. Despite this he managed to hit Vitali in 6 rounds more than any other fighter.

Posted March 23, 2014 9:51 am 


Tomato Can Stan

scottyboy – Lewis drastically underestimated Klitschko. Throwing wild missing bombs; the whole fight devolved into a brawl initiated by Lewis. Lewis was slow and cautious with Tyson, breaking him down with a disciplined jab on the outside and tying him up on the inside. He went right after Klitschko and found that he bit off more than he could chew. Lewis was utterly fatigued and was damn lucky the cut stopped the fight. Lewis got to redeem his losses, but after promising Klitschko a rematch, failed to follow up on the sportsmanlike gesture, turning down $$$$$$ figures in the progress and holding up the dvision for six damn months in regards to his retirement.

Posted March 23, 2014 9:33 am 


scottyboy

Tomato Can Stan…you’re just reinforcing my statements in your last two posts. Vitali was the one ‘who was getting hit’ and also the one ‘to blame for not avoiding the punches’. Blame Vitali for the fight being stopped prematurely not Lewis or the officials.

Posted March 23, 2014 9:28 am 


scottyboy

So Vitali wasn’t the one getting hit then? He was making it all up in subsequent interviews where he praised Lennox then?I’m tired of repeating it but what difference does it make whether Vitali was ahead on the cards at the time of the stoppage? The fight can be won via two ways; points or stoppage (including disqualification, corner surrender etc) and the scorecards only come into play when the full fight is up or if the fight was stopped due to an accidental cut to one fighter. It makes no difference at all and still wouldn’t even if Vitali had won every round. Lewis forced the stoppage and rendered the scorecard meaningless.

Besides of course, the fact that Vitali was leading proves the integrity of the judges in delivering a fair and impartial verdict. If Lewis had the officials in his back pocket as some had suggested, the scorecard would be in Lewis’ favour. By definition the fight was fair. You could also say that Lewis was only 4-2 down in rounds on all three scorecards. That isn’t a massive gulf by any means and one of the rounds in Lewis’ favour would have made it level after 6. Hardly a tremendously lop-sided fight, as reinforced by the injuries to Vitali.

Posted March 23, 2014 9:26 am 


Tomato Can Stan

“Vitali’s inability to prevent Lewis’ punches were.” The cut was caused by a wild looping right hand that Klitschko stepped back from. An odd angle of the gloved just brushed against the skin thus opening the wound. Later throughout the fight, Lewis dug his cornrows into it, trying to deepen the laceration, knowing the fight would be stopped by the cut because Lewis dead tired. The fact remains that Klitschko landed more than Lewis.

Posted March 23, 2014 9:22 am 


scottyboy

The fight does not ‘go the scorecards because four rounds had been completed’, the fight was correctly ruled a TKO victory for Lennox because the ref ruled that punches caused the cuts. They both knew the rules when they signed up and they were placed in front of them via a fight contract with WBC sanctioning. The rules were the same for both fighters and were not to blame. Vitali’s inability to prevent Lewis’ punches were.

Watch the Wlad v Williamson fight and you will see the interview at the end with the doctor who stopped the fight. That cut was miniscule in comparison but the doctor stopped it because in her words (not verbatim) ‘there is a nerve travelling down the junction of the eye and nose that controls the pupil’ and permanent damage can result if it is ruptured. Vitali was facing a potentially career-threatening injury if he carried on and they had no choice but to stop it. The amount of blood spraying everywhere was bringing the sport into disrepute and besides the injury to Vitali, the integrity of the sport is at stake. Casual fans do not want to see fighters covered in blood like that and subsequent PPV numbers could take a hit.

Posted March 23, 2014 9:17 am 


Tomato Can Stan

scottyboy – “Vitali himself was the guy getting hit”. I beg to differ. Klitschko was out-landing Lewis and was ahead all three scorecards.

Posted March 23, 2014 9:15 am 


scottyboy

Tark…Vitali certainly wasn’t training for only two weeks prior to the Lewis fight. For proof watch the post-fight interview where Vitali publicly states how he had trained very hard for the fight. Conversely, Lewis was in the worst shape of his entire career and still managed to land more punches on Vitali in 6 rounds than anyone ever managed in a whole fight. Watch the Tyson fight a few months prior and notice the difference in Lennox. Even at his worst ever level of fitness he still landed more than anyone ever had on Vitali. You keep mentioning the thumb gauge and other ways Lewis ‘cheated’ but you cannot deny that he hit Vitali more than anyone ever has and I’d suggest that this (as well as the video evidence of the punches landing) is the reason for Vitali’s massive cuts. Or are you suggesting that there is no correlation between punches landed and potential for cuts?

Vitali himself was the guy getting hit and praised Lewis for hitting him ‘harder and more frequently’ than anyone ever has. He never mentioned Lewis cheating once apart from straight after the fight when he claimed Lewis used his head. It was clear for all to see that Lewis’ head was not the culprit for the cuts and he never mentioned Lewis cheating ever again. I’d suggest he’d have far more of an idea on what caused the cuts than you to be honest.

Posted March 23, 2014 9:08 am 


Tomato Can Stan

scottyboy – “He beat everyone he ever faced” – He was KTFO twice and was losing to Klitschko until blatant fouls helped him get the TKO. Lewis wanted nothing more of the nightmare of Klitschko, despite promising a rematch and having a lot of $$$$$$ figures thrown at him. Lewis got the chance to redeem his losses, but would not grant Klitschko the same sportsmanlike gesture.

Posted March 23, 2014 8:22 am 


Tomato Can Stan

“Lewis raked the nick open” – Lewis used his cornrows to open the laceration

Posted March 23, 2014 8:18 am 


TARK

Scottyboy you’re making a lot of excuses for Lewis being behind on all scorecards… He was training for a Heavyweight Championship fight for months and Vitali was training for one for 2 weeks.

Vitali deserved a rematch and Steward said he did.. Lewis got rematches with guys he got KO’d by in 2 rounds and 5 rounds… If you’re ahead on all cards and get stopped on points, even legitimately, and this was not a legitimate win because it should have gone to the cards… you certainly deserve a rematch.

Posted March 22, 2014 11:17 pm 


scottyboy

Tomato Can Stan…Lennox’s wins came throughout his entire career – he beat everyone he ever faced and fought the very best around. If for some reason you could criticise him it would be for his opponents not his performances. He beat everyone he ever faced

Posted March 22, 2014 9:15 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

scottyboy – Lewis’s best wins came in the latter part of career. He held off his pro career due to the amateurs and Olympics. 24 is a late start for pro.

Posted March 22, 2014 8:42 pm 


scottyboy

Lewis would have nothing to gauge his elderly performances on, if he was still winning then of course he would think he’s coming along fine. Watch his last 2 performances. Can you honestly say that there is anything of the semblance between the Lennox that fought Tyson and the version that fought Vitali?? Besides being the heaviest he had ever been, Lennox was clumsy, lazy, lethargic and , things that he had never been before and totally irrespective of the part his opponent played. Watch the tyson fight and the vitali fight back on u-tube.

Posted March 22, 2014 8:36 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

Scottyboy – In the words of Lewis himself : “I come along like fine wine…….” In other words, he blossomed and developed later in his career

Posted March 22, 2014 8:27 pm 


scottyboy

Tomato Can Stan…Lewis was also after his prime when he fought both of these. Your point?

Posted March 22, 2014 8:22 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

scottyboy – Lewis got Holyfield and Tyson after their prime.

Posted March 22, 2014 8:19 pm 


scottyboy

Besides of course, how mant Lewis fights besides Holyfield 1 were actually debatable? Lennox either beat them in style or finished them conclusively. The biggest robbery in Lewis’ whole career was the 1st holyfield fight so dont pretend he had the referees/judges in his pocket.

Posted March 22, 2014 8:11 pm 


scottyboy

Tark…regards to referees being ‘bought off’..grow up. The US has been the boxing capital for years and if anything, looked after its own following the successes and huge revenues from Tyson/Holyfield. A brit like Lewis was always on a hiding to nothing, especially in the US. For proof watch the Lewis/Tyson fight, I’ve never before seen a referee blatantly cheer one boxer over another. Several times he says ‘come on Michael’

Posted March 22, 2014 7:56 pm 


TARK

And Steward said a lot of things… including that Wladimir was the best fighter that he ever trained.

Posted March 22, 2014 7:25 pm 


TARK

You have to say through most of their prime years that Tyson and Holyfield ducked Lewis… They flat-ass refused to fight Lennox for many years.

The same with Riddick Bowe.. Bowe threw his championship belt in a trash can when Lewis was named his mandatory.

The only difference was, when Holyfield and Tyson were coming to the end… and losses to Lewis were going to help more than hurt them money wise… they finally relented and scheduled fights with Lewis… But they never would fight the Klitschkos.

Althought Tyson and Holyfield fought guys like Danny Williams and Larry Donald—who Vitali easily stopped… They actually thought they would beat those guys but they were sadly mistaken.

Wladimir is 38 years old… If he starts getting losing fights I don’t think anyone is going to make any excuses for him.

Posted March 22, 2014 7:23 pm 


scottyboy

Tark…I respect your opinion, I really do. However, MS says in more than one interview that Lennox was his best HW and the last time I saw this was right in front of Wlad at a press conference for the Haye fight. I understand Manny’s loyalty to Wlad hence the positive comments but he cearly had one favourite. As well as the fighting styles, his comments say who he preferred.

Posted March 22, 2014 7:20 pm 


TARK

Lennox Lewis didn’t have chin issues???

LL was knocked out twice by a single punch.. Wladimir was knocked down 10 times but got up every time.. 7 knockdowns came against Sanders and Peter. He couldn’t command those situations well and even looked a little amateurish. That’s a lack of expertise not toughness.

Wladimir’s issues were stance, defense, balance, and poor clinching skills… it wasn’t his chin, although he did say his brother is a lot tougher and a “natural” fighter. “Boxing never came naturally to me like it did Vitali. I needed Emmanuel Steward.”

Posted March 22, 2014 7:06 pm 


TARK

Scottyboy… Steward said in an interview on this website after the Haye fight that Wladimir was the best, most organized, and most disciplined fighter he ever worked with, and that WK was still getting better with every fight… and also said, “Wladimir Klitschko is the best heavyweight to come along in many, many years” while he was still with Lewis.

So, like a politician, Steward may have said different things, and possibly contradictory things, to different audiences.

Posted March 22, 2014 6:46 pm 


scottyboy

We’ve also got to look at styles and how they have evolved over the years. Manny Steward has frequently stated that Lennox was his best ever HW (even when still working for Wlad) and although training both fighters, had them fighting in completely different styles. Wlad fought much more in the style of Lennox before he teamed up with Manny who recognised Wlad’s weaknesses (chin issues) and adjusted his style to suit. The dominant reign of Wlad was based on this Manny Steward style that had been created for him. Sure, it was crap to watch but it is extremely effective. It worked because Wlad’s best weapons are his jab and his straight right (when he actually throws it).

Lennox had all the tools to replicate this style of Wlad’s his uppercuts and hooks were also too good not to use so Manny left them in. Basically, if Lennox (and Manny) had wanted to they could have negated everything of Lennox’s apart from the jab and straight right (which were arguably as good as Wlad’s) and based his style on a virtual ‘guaranteed win’ of jab the opponents’ head off for 10 rounds from a safe distance, grab and smother when not at a safe distance and then throw some right hands when the opponent has tired. Lennox has demonstrated that he has the skills and movement to pull this boring style off should he have wanted to and in this sense, if he had used it from the beginning there is little doubt that he would not have lost to Rahman or McCall.

Posted March 22, 2014 5:17 pm 


scottyboy

UD…Sorry but there is zero evidence to suggest Sanders would have been trouble for Lewis. We can speculate on how Sanders fared against other fighters but there is zero actual evidence he would replicate his single great performance. Sanders was not a bad boxer but started late and played golf prior (hardly a motivating sport). Sure he had fast hands but talk of being some kind of fearsome puncher is nonsense and he finished up with a 65% ko ratio despite fighting no one of any real note besides both Klitschkos. The only other recognised name on his record is Rahman and he lost that too. He did ok in the first couple of rounds v Vitali but his win over Wlad was more about Wlad’s chin issues rather than Sanders’ boxing prowess. As Lennox beat far more skilled boxers than Sanders (in fact he beat everyone he ever faced), the evidence points to Lennox having too much in the tank.

For the record I never said Lennox was better because he fought better opponents (although I don’t necessarily disagree with this either). What I said was that boxers are judged on which other top boxers they hae faced and how they fared against them. History will look back on Lennox as having beaten everyone he ever faced and having beaten at least 3 ATGs. He will go down in boxing history as one of the greatest ever for this very reason. In 50 years time people will look at the career of both klits and think ‘So, who did either of them actually beat in that long reign of theirs?’ When the best names between them are Ray Mercer and Corrie Sanders then this is how they will be judged. Vitali, along with this version of Wlad, would have been a tough match for any boxer in history as would Larry Holmes. However, just as Larry Holmes is remembered for dominance in a very weak era which tarnishes his legacy, so will both klits.

Posted March 22, 2014 5:00 pm 


UD

‘you white boys know zero about boxing stick to hockey’
Get out of here lame racist

Posted March 22, 2014 4:19 pm 


UD

Yes scotty im not saying Lennox would had problems with eny of Vitalis opponents apart from Sanders, who was a thread for eny fighter in the first half of a fight. This is a debate about two atg´s. But it was you who stated that Lennox was greater because he had fought better fighters.

Posted March 22, 2014 4:18 pm 


Scottyboy

UD…applying the same deduction as you did, conversely, how many on vitali’s resume would trouble Lewis? No dominant champion from any era would struggle with anyone either klit has beaten, that is a fact (rahman’s fluke punch aside). On the contrary however, lennox beat several HOF and ATG fighters. Fact

Posted March 22, 2014 3:51 pm 


Kal

Vitali had better endurance than Lewis. Lewis was gassing in the 6th. Did you see late the left hook Lewis threw after the bell sounded ending the 6th round? Lewis was desperate. Vitali was ahead on all scorecards and took the last couple minutes of round 6 off to let Lewis punch himself out. His plan was to come out strong for the 7th and knock Lewis out because he knew he was depleted.

The bleeding had largely stopped, but the doctor unaccountably stopped the fight because of the damage caused by Lewis’s foul blows. Klitschko deserved a technical decision win at that point. He was well ahead on points and the cuts weren’t produced by legal contact.

The fans knew Vitali won. They all cheered Vitali and booed Lewis. Check the video to verify this, and also the foul blows.

Posted March 22, 2014 2:21 pm 


Anonymous

you white boys know zero about boxing stick to hockey
any body can be leading a fight after just 6rds but can you sustain it vitali could not face beat to a pulp. in order to be the man you gotta beat the man vitali lost to the man in just 6 rds end of program

Posted March 22, 2014 1:55 pm 


Anonymous

the point and facts not opinion lennix dismantled vitali face in 6rds not my opionion but the facts

Posted March 22, 2014 1:51 pm 


UD

And the battle for the legacy of Lennox and Vitali goes on forever.
So Lennox was a greater boxer than Vitali because he had a better resume ? Well are there eny of Lennox opponents Who would have eny chance challeging Vitali ? If you have put, Grant, Galota, Holyfield, Mercer, Tua and shot to pieces Tyson in with Vitali how many rounds would Vitali had lost ? Would Mc.call and Rahman have had eny chance of knocking Vitali out ? And would a young Briggs have had eny chance of almost knocking Vitali out ? Dont think so. They would all just be the usual victims.
And then we have Vitali outboxing Lennox and then the following retirement. The talk of weak resume only makes sense if the champion has avoided enyone better than him or that it is clear that he wouldnt have had eny chance against past or later contenders that was better.

Posted March 22, 2014 1:26 pm 


scottyboy

Bears…I have missed tearing you a new one regularly over the last 10 yrs. You make it so easy for me when you say ‘when asked to furnish that top 10 squirrel boy vanishes because that statement was assenine just like his epic fail logic bomb’…the irony of course being that you are not educated enough to even spell ‘asinine’ properly and even less likely to actually know what it means. Then just to give me some more ammo to throw back, you come up with this little gem ‘all i can really say is learn to read above a third grade level’….GTFO LOL

Posted March 22, 2014 1:03 pm 


Anonymous

the hw of today stink point blank

Posted March 22, 2014 12:50 pm 


scottyboy

Bears…I see you are still sticking to your statement that Danny Williams beats Mike Tyson everytime. You really are showing everyone on here how little you know about boxing when you make this statement. I know you fantasise over the Klits but Vitali’s win over DW was not a valuable win and every HW in the top 20 (probably more) would have beaten him. DW was as mediocre a boxer as it is possible to get. Also before you no doubt mention it, Mercer was 44 when he lost to Briggs and Briggs openly admits he would have lost to a prime Mercer who himself was only a B level HW in his era. “In his day, he would’ve knocked me out in one round,” Briggs said. “I wouldn’t have had a chance. … Ray is a living legend. They don’t make them like him anymore.”

Posted March 22, 2014 12:49 pm 


scottyboy

Bears…I just saw your post from a couple of days ago. No dout you were aiming at me when you called out ‘squirrel boy’ for running off. Unlike you I am intelligent enough to make my point without pathetic, childlike name-calling and besides, also unlike you, I have a business to run so don’t post on these boards anywhere as often as I used to. For the record I can name 10 boxers Lennox beat that were all better than Briggs and the fact you and that other moron Tark are claiming Briggs is a HOF prospect in this era just reinforces how pitiful this current crop of HWs actually is. Owing to the fact that Briggs has NEVER beaten a top opponent in their prime and struggled badly with D level HWs such as Darrol Wilson, Frans Botha and Jameel McCline, if Briggs makes it anywhere near the HOF it will be an absolute travesty. I’d pick any of this lot over Briggs….(not necessarily in order) 1. Vitali Klitschko 2. Evander Holyfield 3. Mike Tyson 4. Ray Mercer 5. David Tua 6. Oliver McCall 7. Tommy Morrison 8. Frank Bruno 9. Andrew Golota 10. Tony Tucker

Posted March 22, 2014 12:37 pm 


Anonymous

vitali quit against chris byrd please

Posted March 22, 2014 12:35 pm 


rod

clean up the Ukraine vitali. It is a mess, you should be president. Good luck champ!!!

Posted March 22, 2014 10:02 am 


piechucker

Alonzo – because first world countries give aid/handouts to poorer countries. It’s only fair. 100 000 civilian deaths in Iraq would indicate a lack of mercy and respect for life. Does that clear it up for you?

Posted March 22, 2014 9:55 am 


Dino

@anonymous for a bender you realy like to play the tuff guy,you resemble a used condom

Posted March 22, 2014 9:42 am 


Adrian

deepwater2255252

valuev in is the doma russian party now. valuev vs klitco for world domination! also vitali might have noble intent but he is being used and abused.

Posted March 20, 2014 6:29 pm

Just stfo!!! So you want to tell me the previous guy who is hiding in rrusia now is a patriot but he it’s ok for him to see his country lose a part to Russia the country that he Is hiding now???? Gtfo!!! Putin is the one who invaded a country without any security meeting or any anouncment you dousheee!!!

Posted March 22, 2014 6:09 am 


Alonzo

Pie how has America denied mercy to so many others when they are constantly giving handouts tomost other countries that freeload off of them?

Posted March 22, 2014 5:31 am 


piechucker

Tark – I should point out that I am against Putin. He is nothing but a crook. The yanks have just disgraced themselves so often that their words are just hypocritical nonsense. The age of america comes to an end in – 80-100 years. Let’s hope the world shows them the mercy they denied so many others. I love america and would be sad to see them fall, but all imperialist empires fall eventually. Have a nice day tark. I do enjoy your posts

Posted March 22, 2014 3:51 am 


piechucker

Tark- when u say us, do you mean the USA? It’s time for the USA to hand in the cherries badge. Most yanks don’t even realise their very survival depends on china. If they and Saudi Arabia pullout all of their money the USA collapses. Literally collapses. But look at the bright side. It will cure Americas obesity epidemic. It’s amazing that almost all yanks don’t realize the whole union is built on a house of cards.my favourite yankism is ” our boys are fighting for our freedom” hahaha

Posted March 22, 2014 3:44 am 


TARK

That’s okay… Crimea can be part of Russia, but they rolled in with military force and intimidated everybody. We just want to stop any designs they have on Ukraine.

Crimea is almost an island southeast of Ukraine, they’re connected by a land bridge.. It’s not going to hurt a lot but there’s a lot of inimidation because the Russians rolled in with millitary force.. Obviously few want to risk going against the Russians because you’d be arrested and vanish into thin air if you did.

Posted March 21, 2014 11:56 pm 


piechucker

tark – also it should be noted that sanctions cant work against Russia as they are holding all 4 aces. they control almost all of the gas supply to Europe and if we sanction them, they will sanction us. Americas unprovoked violent assault in Iraq didn’t involve sanction. russias unprovoked non-violent annexation of traditional Russian land wont involve sanctions either. no more political statements from me. good luck klit!

Posted March 21, 2014 11:52 pm 


piechucker

Tark – If sanctions were applied to aggressors the US and A would be as isolated as north korea.

Posted March 21, 2014 11:49 pm 


piechucker

ggod luck vitali. your going to need it.

Posted March 21, 2014 11:47 pm 


badger

Ukraine part of Russia.

Posted March 21, 2014 11:41 pm 


badger

I meant ten years.

Posted March 21, 2014 11:40 pm 


badger

Well the people in Crimea voted to be part of Russia. There was no force. Just like Texas wanted to annex to the USA. They were a nation for 10 tears. Now eastern Ukraine might go in the same direction. That is not my decision, it is theirs.

Posted March 21, 2014 11:38 pm 


TARK

No. I want to sqeeze them with tough economic sanctions. So they behave … and don’t go annexing independent countries left and right through military force.

Posted March 21, 2014 11:26 pm 


badger

Idi amir retired quite well, probably on the US currency in some arab state. Winston Churcill did well to sending boys to Gallipoli. His kids were not there. Same Shiite different century. the Russians won WW2, they lost a lot more than the “great generation”, let them get their land back .you want to fight them??

Posted March 21, 2014 11:11 pm 


TARK

We’re not going back to undo wrongs committed in the 18th and 19th Century. Maybe we should. All of North America was basically taken from the natives by various governments. South America too. You go back to the Romans, Huns, Vikings, Gauls, and Germanic Tribes, and the same thing happened in Europe and Asia. Everyone was subjected and their land taken.

Many Native Americans are both US citizens and entitled to their own independant states on their reservations. Where they build gambling casinos and stage boxing matches. That’s pretty interesting. But the time has come for military action to cease … and economic sanctions to be rigorously applied to aggressors of every stripe.

We need more Vitali Klitschko’s and Manny Pacquiao’s as heads of state… Well okay…maybe we don’t.. But if they ever get elected I’m interested in seeing how they handle the job. I’ve never seen a boxer run a country except for Idi Amin … He didn’t do that well.

Posted March 21, 2014 9:49 pm 


badger

and some people are clueless condescending twats.

Posted March 21, 2014 9:38 pm 


badger

It is easy to judge Putin. How did we get California, AZ., and Colorado? Along with America Somoa and Puerto rico? we put teddy Roosevelt on Mt Rushmore. I like Polk more.

Posted March 21, 2014 9:15 pm 


D

It’s the Russians stiring up all the unrest. Those egg throwers, garbage can smashers, and store looters are all in Putin’s pay. That way Russian can come in to restore “an orderly society” and take over Ukraine like they just did to Crimea.

Not a bad racket. Does Putin likes Vitali. I’m sure he hates him.

Posted March 21, 2014 8:51 pm 


K2fan

Im glad vitali is retired and getting pelted with eggs

Posted March 21, 2014 8:19 pm 


white power

I wouldn’t be at all suprised if I had already banged his mother and sister.

Posted March 21, 2014 7:22 pm 


white power

Anonymous is basically just a racist tiny tool prick that wishes he was a real man.

Posted March 21, 2014 7:21 pm 


Anonymous

vitali has beat nobody who name 1 hall of famer he beat
i know one he lost to in just 6rds

Posted March 21, 2014 7:03 pm 


Anonymous

the kiltos beat nobody but bums their resumes stink

Posted March 21, 2014 7:01 pm 


Anonymous

lennon cut the bum vitali to ribbons these are the facts

Posted March 21, 2014 6:58 pm 


Kal

Stop with the unfunny stuff. You drop more bombs than Deontay.

Posted March 21, 2014 6:53 pm 


Anonymous

You don’t need a DVD knucklehead. Theyr’e all on youtube.com

You’ve got a computer right? Enjoy. Deontay taking out Liakhovich is pretty interesting. That twitch is something special.

Posted March 21, 2014 5:49 pm 


TARK

I suppose so…

Is that why Fury vs Cunningham ended in six???

Klitschko vs Chambers ended in a 12th round KO???

Pulev KO’d Ustinov and Dimitrenko in the 11th???

They were too big, that’s the problem.

Oh wait!!! Sugar Ray Robinson ran out of gas and quit vs Joey Maxim… Robinson wasn’t very big… How could that Happen???

Posted March 21, 2014 5:40 pm 


TARK

And I don’t think bigger people die younger. My parents lived well into their 90’s and they were both big. My uncles who lived the longest were the biggest. The 2 who were the shortest died the earliest. I’m sure that’s coincidental. A couple hit the century mark who were very tall. I had 12 uncles counting both sides.

Wilt Chamberlain died very early. Only 63 years old. But then a lot of short people die early too.

Posted March 21, 2014 4:52 pm 


TARK

Boxing is not a marathon… The bigger and taller you are in Boxing the better you’re going to be given your natural talent, dedication, opportunity, coaching etc.

You’re not going to find many guys who weigh over 175 running a marathon. Bigger athletes can pole vault, high jump, sprint, throw the hammer, javalin, discus, shot put, do the long jump, hurdles, whatever and be competitive. They can compete in the more interesting and glamorous stuff

Nothing is more boring than a 12-mile training run — except maybe swimming that far.

It’s usually the smaller and thiner guys who do the distance running with very few excepttions… If they have a big heart and not too much weight on their body, their blood makes a quicker circuit back to the heart.. So for that particualr thing yes … they’re going to have more endurance.

That doesn’t mean they’re going to beat anybody in a boxing ring.. You don’t have to run a mile every 5 minutes to be a boxer, as you do to be a competitive marathoner.

If you can run a mile every 6 minutes for 30 minutes, you have enough stamina to beat heavyweight out there… as long as you can box well… If you can’t box you’re going to get tired right away—no matter how fast and far you can run.

Posted March 21, 2014 4:33 pm 


Dazani

Overall, and taking boxing out of the equation and only looking at stamina, it’s going to be harder to find a big man with great stamina than a smaller one. It’s going to be harder to find a marathon runner that is 6’5 than a 5’6 guy.

The heart can only take so much. I”m not saying everybody’s heart is made the same or the same size, of course not, but, Big Guys don’t tend to who have freakish stamina. And they don’t last long in life either. They tend to die earlier.

Even Lewis in the Mercer fight was tired and it was a 10 round fight.

Posted March 21, 2014 4:04 pm 


TARK

Chris Arreola to Seth Mitchell.., “You’re a football player not a boxer. I’ve been boxing since I was 6 years old… I’m going to show you that you don’t belong in this sport.”

Mitchell goes about 245 and was a fabulous football player. He’s very quick and punches well, he just can’t defend himself and can’t clinch for nothing. Arreola isn’t a good boxer but he doesn’t blow his cool when the gets hit. He knows how to throw on a clinch… Mitchell doesn’t.

Posted March 21, 2014 4:01 pm 


Dazani

TARK

Dazani.., “The Bigger you are in height and weight the more likely you will suffer stamina issues even if you are in good shape.”

That’s not true… Many big guys depend too much on their size and strength, without developing the proper skills.

It depends on how good a boxer your are. Primo Carnera couldn’t box. He started very late and looked uncoordinated and slow. Yet he beat down a lot of small heavyweights like Tommy Loughran and Jack Sharkey with his size and strength. Better fighters teed off on Carnera’s immobile head and bashed him down. If Primo couldn’t intimidate them with his size and strength he was lost. If you lack expertise at ANYTHING it’s going to tire you out.

So I believe it’s the opposite. Your size, height, strength, toughness, and punching power wear smaller guys out. Vitali brutalized Adamek with the jab, even though he was 40 years old and Adamek was only 34.. Adamek couldn’t find VK with anything he threw. He was massively outpunched every round, so it was a matter of time. It was the only time Adamek was ever stopped.

Michael Grant is just as big and tall as Vitali, and Grant was also a very good athlete — but he just couldn’t box well because he didn’t have the amateur background Vitali had..

Adamek and Guinn are both small heavyweights but they out-boxed Grant because of his lack of expertise. He was playing basketball and football while Vitali was boxing.
Posted March 21, 2014 3:50 pm

Well it was said on that show “Sports nation” from Marcellus Wiley, and I’m paraphrasing liberally. that these Kids are starting so early that when they do grow up to be so damn Big, that their bodies are basically adapting/conditioning/coordinating/growing according to their workout schedules and play of what is needed of them to thrive in their field.

Where someone like Wilt Chamberlain was the exception to the rule, the once in a life-time athlete, you do see more Big men with that overall ability of being Bigger, Stronger, Faster, more explosive and agile, etc. in today’s era than previous ones because these kids are doing the above (in the first paragraph).

So there is that.

Posted March 21, 2014 3:59 pm 


TARK

Dazani.., “The Bigger you are in height and weight the more likely you will suffer stamina issues even if you are in good shape.”

That’s not true… Many big guys depend too much on their size and strength, without developing the proper skills.

It depends on how good a boxer your are. Primo Carnera couldn’t box. He started very late and looked uncoordinated and slow. Yet he beat down a lot of small heavyweights like Tommy Loughran and Jack Sharkey with his size and strength. Better fighters teed off on Carnera’s immobile head and bashed him down. If Primo couldn’t intimidate them with his size and strength he was lost. If you lack expertise at ANYTHING it’s going to tire you out.

So I believe it’s the opposite. Your size, height, strength, toughness, and punching power wear smaller guys out. Vitali brutalized Adamek with the jab, even though he was 40 years old and Adamek was only 34.. Adamek couldn’t find VK with anything he threw. He was massively outpunched every round, so it was a matter of time. It was the only time Adamek was ever stopped.

Michael Grant is just as big and tall as Vitali, and Grant was also a very good athlete — but he just couldn’t box well because he didn’t have the amateur background Vitali had..

Adamek and Guinn are both small heavyweights but they out-boxed Grant because of his lack of expertise. He was playing basketball and football while Vitali was boxing.

Posted March 21, 2014 3:50 pm 


Dazani

It will be interesting to see how Anthony Joshua progresses and if Wilder does the same too. That could be a great matchup in 2-3 years time if both continue on winning.

Posted March 21, 2014 3:47 pm 


Dazani

Anonymous

Good points Dazani. Just a massive shame that all we have to look forward to is a green Tyson Fury and an even greener Deontay Wilder. Stiverne and Arreola are okay but in most other eras would be gatekeepers. I actually think the heavies are getting worse over the years and not better. We have the Klitschkos, well Wlad and then a wide chasm to the rest of the pack. Altho I wouldn’t back against Povetkin returning to beat the other heavyweights who are not called Klitschko. He would have learned an awful lot from Wlad and even more about himself. He knows he has the guts and heart to WALK through the likes of a Fury and would prove too savvy for Deontay.
Posted March 21, 2014 3:32 pm

Yeah. It’s the soon to be 38 year old Wlad…………………………..and then the rest.

Wilder and Joshua are the two best athletes in the game other than Wlad from what I’ve seen. I’m not sure who else is out there. But neither so far are on the level of boxing skills as Peak Bowe, Prime Lewis were and Wlad are.

Posted March 21, 2014 3:45 pm 


Anonymous

Good points Dazani. Just a massive shame that all we have to look forward to is a green Tyson Fury and an even greener Deontay Wilder. Stiverne and Arreola are okay but in most other eras would be gatekeepers. I actually think the heavies are getting worse over the years and not better. We have the Klitschkos, well Wlad and then a wide chasm to the rest of the pack. Altho I wouldn’t back against Povetkin returning to beat the other heavyweights who are not called Klitschko. He would have learned an awful lot from Wlad and even more about himself. He knows he has the guts and heart to WALK through the likes of a Fury and would prove too savvy for Deontay.

Posted March 21, 2014 3:32 pm 


Dazani

I think Vitali has better stamina than his brother. I don’t know if it is that slight difference in genetic makeup, body type, different muscle building techniques and conditioning and/or the Mental state of the brothers. While I absolutely think Wlad is Strong in the Heart department, I do think he is a bit anxiety prone more so than his brother Vitali who is more of a natural fighter which Wlad admits. Like I said, the Mental part of this is big as well. You can be the best conditioned fighter in the gym and gas early in fights because you are not quite the best in under the lights and in higher pressure fights with certain opponents that push you out of your comfort zone.

Posted March 21, 2014 3:14 pm 


Dazani

Anonymous

DAZANI, what about Lewis vs Briggs? That was a real dust up between 2 big men, trading back and forth until Briggs had it beaten out of him. He certainly landed some licks too!
Posted March 21, 2014 3:07 pm

YEAH, but again, Lewis was the exception. I don’t think Briggs falls into this category really although he was quite the athlete….his stamina still lacked. But it was better at 230 lbs tops.

What I am saying now, overall, we are seeing a lot of mediocre Big Men back in the game like it was during Joe Louis’s era.

Anthony Joshua might be the exception but we’ll have to wait and see.

I have to look over the field though to see what’s out there.

Posted March 21, 2014 3:10 pm 


Dazani

The one advantage a “smaller” fighter will have over a Tall/big Man is that the smaller opponent is a smaller target.

Let’s just take Tyson since I am only going to use a natural 200+ pounder vs. any of the bigger guys. His advantage will be his ability to get on the inside and pound a much larger torso/target while the big guy is going to have a hard time pounding him to the body. Tyson likes to make himself smaller. Making an opponent miss is draining, both mentally and physically. however, the big guy can, will and should clinch him up and lean on him to wear him down if he can get away with it. One thing Tyson did well back then when trained was to Jab which was pretty amazing giving his height and reach. Again, he was the exception. Which is also why he is a bad example overall for a smaller guy beating a bigger guy. He could box and fight. Frazier, Marciano, both of them didn’t have Jabs to counter the Jab of the Giants.

Lewis was decent on the inside. He can bang to the body and had a good uppercut. Wlad has been almost nonexistent. and Bowe was probably the best and most dangerous. Brutal body attacker and a lethal uppercut.

Posted March 21, 2014 3:07 pm 


Anonymous

DAZANI, what about Lewis vs Briggs? That was a real dust up between 2 big men, trading back and forth until Briggs had it beaten out of him. He certainly landed some licks too!

Posted March 21, 2014 3:07 pm 


Dazani

TARK

Eh, I just noticed I didn’t rewrite the full thing I originally posted. It didn’t go through the first time.

While there was the Evander/Lewis example which wasn’t good as I expressed, you could have used Lewis vs. Mercer. Not only did it show Lewis could “fight” as an all around boxer/fighter but his stamina was tested. If there was any negative to that bout it was Mercer being over-weight for the fight but maybe he put on some pounds because of the size of Lewis. I don’t know. Great fight regardless.

My overall point still stands, the Bigger you are in height and weight the more likely you will suffer stamina issues even if you are in good shape. More so when you are forced out of your comfort zone. The hard part of course is finding those fighters that can take those Giants out of their comfort zone. And of course, the exceptions to the rule which are the Giants that are just blessed with great physicality that when trained to peak form, they can do it all.

Posted March 21, 2014 3:00 pm 


rawstory

yeah too bad klitco was the one making the trouble for the ukraine. vitali has lived in germany for last 14 years and still keeps his cash there. he is aligned with the far right party(nazi party) and supports the corrupt leadership that will loot the treasury. good boxer though

Posted March 21, 2014 2:51 pm 


Proud African

When Deontay Kos Wladimir, Vitali might be tempted to return.

Posted March 21, 2014 2:17 pm 


TARK

Vitali retired at 42, after making a comeback at 37 and winning 10 straight Heavyweight Championship Fights. He’d probably still be an active boxer if his country wasn’t suffering massive turmoil. You go where the need is.

Deontay is something like 28 or so. He has a lot of time to accomplish something in Boxing. If he manages to beat Stiverne or Arreola for a world title, let’s see how long he can defend it. He’s getting better, I’ll say that for him.

I’d love to see him fight Jennings.

Posted March 21, 2014 1:59 pm 


Don

I usually don’t care for European fighters because of their style, but Vitali was one of my all time favorite fighters. He would methodically brutalize his opponent…almost always shutting them out until they got KO’d. Vitali would have been a champion in any era I believe.

Posted March 21, 2014 1:56 pm 


Proud African

Vitali is scared of Deontay Wilder and he avoided Stiverne. Deontay Wilder will knock him cold.

Posted March 21, 2014 1:08 pm 


TARK

A good big man will always beat a good little man. Maxim proved that vs Robinson. And he wasn’t that good and Robinson was great … He was super slow and couldn’t punch, but paced himself one Hell of a lot better and fought a much smarter fight.

Posted March 21, 2014 12:00 pm 


TARK

STFU Idiot Ernie

Posted March 21, 2014 11:57 am 


Anonymous

Dazani, thank you for putting your points so eloquently to TARK, in a manner he could never do and I agree TARK used some horrible examples to try to back himself up.
You stuck TARK back in the dog house.

Posted March 21, 2014 11:48 am 


Dazani

there are always going to be exceptions.

NBA players are the elite of the Tall/Big men. But there were few that could put in the minutes like Wilt Chamberlain could. But he was one of kind. Tall, Big, STRONG, incredible athlete and insane endurance. Really once in a generation type athlete.

God must have loved him to make him so Tall and Athletic and probably had a gigantic “STILT”

Posted March 21, 2014 11:10 am 


Dazani

TARK

Dazani.., “Big Guys when pushed hard, when they can’t control the pace because their opponent is forcing them to fight, they gas quicker.” … That’s more BS.

You mean like Buster Douglas gassed against Tyson???

Like Wladimir gassed against Haye???

Like Vitali gassed against Adamek and Peter???

Like Lewis gassed against Holyfield???

Like Fury gassed against 210lb Cunningham???

It doesn’t matter a whit how big you are.. It matters how much natural strength and edurance you have and how well you develop it through hard training.. I think Duran gassed in Leonard II.. He wasn’t trained or ready to fight.

The biggest gas jobs I’ve ever seen were Sugar Ray Robinson pooping out versus the much bigger Joey Maxim … and George Foreman, who only weighed 220, which was NOT a HUGE heavyweight even at the time, gassing out versus Muhammad Ali

Maxim baited Robinson and made Ray use up energy trying to hurt him… Ali baited Foreman and George took the bait — but George also was in terrible shape and hadn’t gone over 2 rounds in 3 years.
Posted March 21, 2014 12:56 am

Some of those are horrible examples but I’ll give you some credit.

Douglas was in supreme condition while Tyson was not. So, it’s hard to make Douglas tired when he is doing all the work after round 1 since Tyson had no strength/stamina to apply pressure. Strike that one off.

It’s like this: Hitting a heavy bag straight for 3 minutes is hard if you are throwing hard. However, what’s even harder is actually done in the ring when You are throwing, moving, hitting, missing, grappling with your opponent and most of all, Getting Hit Back to the Head and Body. Some of it has to do with the Mental state as well since increased pressure can cause an increase in anxiety which leads to and increase of blood pressure which results in the heart pumping to much blood through the body resulting in quicker fatigue.

Wladimir vs. Haye: Again, poor example. Wladimir was doing all the work. Not so hard. The fight you should have used was Sam Peter vs. Wlad. However, Sammy boy wasn’t as good as Brewster.

Vitali vs. Peter: Poor example. Peter wasn’t much at that point. He looked fat which says a lot because he always carried a bit to much weight.

Lewis vs. Holyfield: Holyfield was Past his Prime and was suffering stamina issues himself for quite some time. Poor example. And he still gave Lewis a tough time in the second fight.

Fury vs. Cunningham….O’ boy.

Lewis and Bowe are two exceptions to the rule in general for big men when in tip top shape. Tony Tucker and even Biggs maybe when he was youthful and training properly was good too for 6’5, 200+ pounders. But again, those aren’t your usual Big Men. And they too ran into pressure fighter that took them off their game.

YES, a lot has to do with how great of shape you are in. Genetics plays a role. And of course, how much added weight you have added to your frame but that’s for anyone.

On the flip side, a Big Man like Lewis and Klitschkos can use their weight on smaller men which can tire them out so there are advantages since you can control the pace of the fight and use your weight as leverage.

Posted March 21, 2014 11:08 am 


JL

I like Vitali and enjoyed most of his fights. Having said that his retirement might make the heavyweight division a bit more interesting since there will now be only one Klitschko brother at the top.

Posted March 21, 2014 11:03 am 


DMX

Lewis will always be on Vitalis mind
Forever scarred
Lewis’s right hands pulverised Vitalis face into raw red sewage

Bad genetics maybe, blame fresh faced Mum and Dad in the crystal fresh Russian air

Thems the breaks

History says Lennox Lewis TKO Vitali Klitschko Round 7

Posted March 21, 2014 10:55 am 


BEARS

“lennox only trained for two weeks”

lennox had the scheduled bout and vitaly was to be on the undercard. if lennox was ill preparing for his championship deffenses that makes him look very bad. and lennox only had 40 fights.

then you have squirrel boy below saying briggs was not a top 10 lennox opponent and when asked to furnish that top 10 squirrel boy vanishes. because that statement was assenine just like his epic fail logic bomb attempt on tark claiming williams would not repeat a win. no mccbride would go on to beat tyson. lol

Posted March 21, 2014 10:04 am 


Tomato Can Stan

“and Vitali couldn’t dethrone the aging lion” – If I recall correctly, Klitschko was outlanding the “aging lion” and was ahead on three scorecards.

Posted March 21, 2014 9:09 am 


The Prince

The sad truth for Vitali: The top boxers he could’ve beaten to at least make a case for being a true legendary HW, he lost. And the man has spent the rest of his career getting wins over C and D HWs. If Vitali’s career proves one thing, is to take advantage of an opportunity when it’s there, it might not happen again. Lennox Lewis was ready to go, career wise, and Vitali couldn’t dethrone the aging lion.

Posted March 21, 2014 8:39 am 


UD

whatever : argumenting like a little kid, face almost Falling of !! hmm i Wonder if that has ever happend :-)

Posted March 21, 2014 8:12 am 


whatever

Lennox didn’t hit him much…but with the little he did…he almost made dudes face…fall off his FACE!!!!! His lip was mangled…his eye was pouring off his face..the skin was in shreds…it was grouse…thise of you who swear Vitali can beat Lewis…know Lennox only trained for two weeks.

Posted March 21, 2014 7:01 am 


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Posted March 21, 2014 3:47 am 


BEARS

how anyone forecasted angulo to win is funny. i understand pulling for him but forecasting that WOW! very weak forecast indeed. i think most people forecasted broner and mathyse to win those fights did they not? i know i did!

Posted March 21, 2014 2:24 am 


BEARS

i didnt say vitaly had the best resume. between punch and scotty boy misinterpreting posts and claiming people are saying something they did not say then responding on it its a little sredmond-esque. all i can really say is learn to read above a third grade level. your reading comprhension is horrible.

i said vitaly would be favored to beat anyone in history. for that i call him the goat. i simply think he can beat everyone else at his peak. i also think scottyboy over estimates lennox resume. i believe feather fisted holy and and especially the mike tyson shell in the late 90s do not hold a great deal of scalp value. i think vitaly alone would have shaved 5-10 years off holys career. if holy had faced both wlad and vitaly like sam peter his career would have halted in the same fashion sam peters did. adameks did, brocks did, chambers did, solis did, gomez did, byrd did, lennox lewis after just 40 fights did and no signs of decline, kirk johnson, brewster, klitschkos render people damaged goods

Posted March 21, 2014 2:21 am 


TARK

And for the moron who says Vitali has paper thin skin…

Vitali never suffered a threatening cut in any other fight in his life… And Lewis never stopped anybody else on cuts in his life.

Posted March 21, 2014 2:19 am 


TARK

B Red.., Lomachenko DID beat Salido you idiot… He landed many more fair punches and Salido should have been point deducted for at least 25 deliberate low blows… If you think that was a legitimate win you’re nuts.. Those officials were in the bag.

But Canelo-Angulo was a much easier pick… Almost everybody picked Canelo but you.

Posted March 21, 2014 2:16 am 


punch

To all the dimwitts on this thread, a fighters greatness is based on the level of competition and adversity he has to overcome. Vitali level of competition compared with that of Lewis is weak, besides the fact that he lost to Lewis which is hard for,some fanboys to get over. The claim that his record is that of the GOAT is just a stupid man’s idea of what a GOAT record looks like. Vitali was great but not the GOAT, period.

Posted March 21, 2014 2:05 am 


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Posted March 21, 2014 1:32 am 


BEARS

vitaly taking mike tysons guiness book of world record ko’s was awesome. never loosing a fight when it stopped awesome. never knocked down, out, or even given a standing 8 awesome. plus/minus ratio best in heavy history awesome. couple with having heavy histories best stoppage % and now only behind marciano in a acouple tenths of a % so he is practically tied for that. vitaly is the guy you favor literally against any other fighter in heavy history and that makes him the goat. being called the heavyweight GOAT by fans. number one moment in vitalys boxing career. number one honor!

Posted March 21, 2014 1:31 am 


Helmut

The three career’s highlights of Vitali Klitschko: 1. When Chisora slapped him; 2. When he quit against the former middleweight Chris Byrd, 3. dumbfounded with his bloody face after the referee stoppage against Lewis. (sorry for my bad English!)

Posted March 21, 2014 1:09 am 


B Red

Tark, you also picked Lomockenko to beat Salido you moron

Posted March 21, 2014 1:09 am 


B Red

Tark, you picked Broner by Ko over Maidana, and favored 9/5 on Lucas over Danny. Hush your mouth fool

Posted March 21, 2014 1:06 am 


TARK

B Red…, You’re an idiot… You picked underdog Angulo to KO Canelo and kept telling me I would make excuses for why Canelo got knocked out.

Posted March 21, 2014 12:59 am 


BEARS

scottyboy- i destroyed your sad attempt at logic bombing TARK and did not discuss hiw venerable williams was but what u said was true. mcbride went on to beat tyson so wtf are you talking about? larry donald stopped holyfield and vitaly wooped lennoz OUTLANDING HIM EVERY ROUND 66% of which with eye caused by a cut from a foul. all you have to is either watch lennix fights or type lennox lewis cheating into google. his holding and hitting move he knocked a guy out with it. it was his signature it was a motiff in his career. it was not new with vitaly. vitaly made lewis look horrible and desperate and i dont see many people speaking well of lennox in that fight. not boxing analysts or fighters themselves or anyone in the the threads

Posted March 21, 2014 12:59 am 


TARK

Dazani.., “Big Guys when pushed hard, when they can’t control the pace because their opponent is forcing them to fight, they gas quicker.” … That’s more BS.

You mean like Buster Douglas gassed against Tyson???

Like Wladimir gassed against Haye???

Like Vitali gassed against Adamek and Peter???

Like Lewis gassed against Holyfield???

Like Fury gassed against 210lb Cunningham???

It doesn’t matter a whit how big you are.. It matters how much natural strength and edurance you have and how well you develop it through hard training.. I think Duran gassed in Leonard II.. He wasn’t trained or ready to fight.

The biggest gas jobs I’ve ever seen were Sugar Ray Robinson pooping out versus the much bigger Joey Maxim … and George Foreman, who only weighed 220, which was NOT a HUGE heavyweight even at the time, gassing out versus Muhammad Ali

Maxim baited Robinson and made Ray use up energy trying to hurt him… Ali baited Foreman and George took the bait — but George also was in terrible shape and hadn’t gone over 2 rounds in 3 years.

Posted March 21, 2014 12:56 am 


TARK

Dazani.., “Lewis won the fight fair and square”

That’s total GARBAGE Dazani.. You must be BLIND. When in his life did Lewis ever cut anyone like that other than Vitali??? When in his life did Vitali ever get a threatening cut—other than from Lewis??? Vitali wasn’t a bleeder and Lewis wasn’t a cutting puncher..

Lewis caused those cuts with a thumb strike and the palm and heel of his right glove… As he was holding Vitali in a headlock, the path off his swipe with the palm of his right glove exactly matches the direction of the 3 major cuts on Vitali’s left eyelid and left cheek.. Lewis was desperate after almost getting knocked out in the first 2 rounds, and he had the referee (Lou Moret) in his pocket..

Moret is the same referee who let Robert Guerrero foul Andre Berto at least 100 times without calling a single foul … and he called NONE on Lewis either.. In FACT, when Guerrero was holding and hitting Berto with impunity Max Kellerman shouted, “SHADES OF LENNOX LEWIS!!!” to loud laughter from the HBO crew.. They all remembered Lewis’s fouling and commented on it.

In fact recently I was watching a fight where a commentator commented on Lou Moret allowing Lewis and Guerrero to get away with fouling.

Posted March 21, 2014 12:32 am 


Dazani

Jaqen H’ghar

Riddick Bowe also lost to Eastern European fighters in the amateurs, he fought one in the pros and got his rump kicked in each of their fights.
Posted March 20, 2014 10:44 pm

First, Amateurs is different than the Pros. Especially with the wide age gap that tends to happen down there. Pros is a different level of fighting and the best are in the Pros, not the amateurs.

Bowe was best when he was with Eddie Futch. He was well trained for a very short while and at that point, he was incredible. But of course he reverted back to Lazy Bowe and it cost him in fights. If you are not mentally fit you can’t get physically fit and if you are not physically fit you are not mentally strong. They go hand in hand.

Posted March 20, 2014 10:48 pm 


Jaqen H’ghar

The great Cubans Stevenson and Savon lost to Eastern Europeans in the amateurs as well.

Posted March 20, 2014 10:46 pm 


Dazani

Lewis won the fight fair and square. A rematch would have been nice since the fight was stopped on a grotesque cut (which was caused by a Lewis punch). However, given Lewis’s peak point was finishing off what was left of Tyson and he was just hanging around for the new found Fame and Fortune, I think his drive was in the gutter at that point and he was finished spiritually.

It did reinforce what I’ve always thought though: Big Guys when pushed hard, when they can’t control the pace because their opponent is forcing them to fight, they gas quicker. Of course, in this fight, we are also talking about two 6’5+ 240+ pound fighters so let’s not get carried away with just any pressure fighter being able to do this.

Posted March 20, 2014 10:45 pm 


Jaqen H’ghar

Riddick Bowe also lost to Eastern European fighters in the amateurs, he fought one in the pros and got his rump kicked in each of their fights.

Posted March 20, 2014 10:44 pm 


Jaqen H’ghar

Lewis lost to Eastern European fighters quite a few times in the amateurs, he fought two as a pro and struggled mightily against both.

1987-10-?? +91kg Ulli Kaden GDR W 3:2 Lennox Lewis CAN

+91kg Petar Stoymenov BUL W 3:2 Lennox Lewis CAN

1985-11-06 +91kg Vyacheslav Yakovlev URS W 5:0 Lennox Lewis CAN

1986-10-?? +91kg Valeriy Abadzhyan WKO3 Lennox Lewis CAN Berlin, GDR

Posted March 20, 2014 10:41 pm 


Scottyboy

Bears…and to think you claim I don’t know what I’m talking about and then spout Danny Williams as a valuable win! Ha, some people are just as delusional as they always were. Nevermind though, you just keep telling everyone that you know what vitali didn’t and that it’s pure coincidence that Lewis hit vitali more than anyone else ever did, even whilst unfit, the heaviest he had ever been and as a shadow of his former self at just a few wks notice. I prefer to look at Lewis’ resume’ myself. The bit where it says ‘vitali klitschko W-TKO’ demonstrates the result. Get over it finally.

Posted March 20, 2014 10:03 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

Tark – “But I don’t see guys like Ali, Louis, Johnson, Foreman, Jeffries, Tyson, Holyfield, or Liston giving Vitali problems”. I think Jack Johnson was a defensive master. Probably the best of all you mentioned. Ali in his early career was very fast and fleet-footed, but once he discovered he could take a punch, that’s what ultimately did him in, much like when Tyson lost the D’Amato/Rooney head movement

Posted March 20, 2014 9:50 pm 


Scottyboy

Bears. ..We’ve been arguing this same fight for almost 10 yrs on esb. I’m not going over it all again, nothing changes. What I will say is that if you really think Danny Williams beats that version of tyson every time then you need your head examined. It was a one off fight of his life and on any other day even that version of tyson gets him out in 2 rounds. He was a nice bloke but was nowhere near world level, never even getting to European level (destroyed by the very average sinan sam). Danny is a journeyman in every sense of the word and should not be banded around as a valuable win for vitali. Sosnowski was a better victory.

Posted March 20, 2014 9:46 pm 


TARK

The best opponent for Vitali besides Lennox Lewis would have been Larry Holmes… Holmes had that great jab and superb defensive boxing skills like Vitali.

Holmes fought until he was 53 and got title shots when he was 43 and 45. He was stopped once, after a 2-year layoff when he was 38… Holmes easily whipped a young Ray Mercer when he was age 42, and Lewis had a ton of problems with Mercer when he was 30.

But I don’t see guys like Ali, Louis, Johnson, Foreman, Jeffries, Tyson, Holyfield, or Liston giving Vitali problems… They were all very punchable and Vitali would beat the life out of them.

Gene Tunney was a great defender, but he was really a light heavyweight.

Posted March 20, 2014 9:45 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

Scottyboy – Lewis rubbed his cornrows in the laceration on Vitali’s face

Posted March 20, 2014 9:33 pm 


Scottyboy

Tark…which bit was I lying my ass off over exactly? Was it the bit where I said that vitali claimed lennox was his hardest fight and hit him harder than anyone and harder? Feel free to look this up, if it was coming up to 2am I would do it for you. It’s obviously just a huge coincidence that he received cuts after saying this and clearly as you’ve never been in a ring yourself then that qualifies you to over rule his judgement. I’ll give you tools a big clue: if there is any sign of cheating then the first person to know would be the fighter. What does vitali say of these supposed fouls…..

Posted March 20, 2014 9:32 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

Lewis rubbed his cornrows in the laceration on Vitali’s face

Posted March 20, 2014 9:22 pm 


BEARS

citaly is the goat heavyweight with goat compubox numbers. he would have utterly smoke little cassius clay. vitalys only real challenge would be lennox his fellow champ super heavyweight. but a peak vitaly rips lennox up. monopolizes the gap/range teeing off on kennox and making lennox miss.

lennox had to close the gap, hold and hit foul, and work of the clinch to land on vitaly. lennoxs world was literally turned upside down by vitaly who again outlanded lennox every round which lennox has never been clean sheeted like that. then lennox got boo’ed out of the arena while vitaly got cheered

Posted March 20, 2014 9:15 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

Maskaev claims to have knocked down Vitali, and Vitali was knocked down in kick boxing. But never in his pro boxing career

Posted March 20, 2014 9:11 pm 


BEARS

why would vitaly go down if not a knockdown?

ok scotty boy is making stuff up to talk smack. it was ruled a slip i think but corrie pushed vitaly down plane as day. then took the worst beating i ever seen a man take

Posted March 20, 2014 9:04 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

RIP ????????? Vitali died ??? WTF ????

Posted March 20, 2014 9:01 pm 


BEARS

purritty got beat up and down the ring by the kid wlad klitschko who was 21. wlad simply gassed. noone doubts a rematch wouldve gone like wlad vs brewster 2. so its not really like tark mentioning danny williams because danny wouldve REPEATED his results against a SEASONED VETERAN mike tyson. so its an epic fail on scotty boys attempt at drawing a logical premise and parallel.

i would be hard pressed to think of a fight more brutal than heavyweight CLASSIC vitaly klitschko vs cornelius “corrie” sanders. i never seen a man take a worse best down than corrie sanders. larry merchant cried for corrie sanders ringside. that fight was EPIC. worth watching once a year AT LEAST!

Posted March 20, 2014 9:00 pm 


badger

good point by one poster that vitally never got hit cleanly very often. The guy never hit the canvas though I think Corrie Sanders did buckle his knees with one blast. That guy could hit. RIP.

Posted March 20, 2014 8:52 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

“there were hardly any punches from lennox prior to round 3 prior” – Lewis was throwing wild right hands, trying to get Klitschko out of there. It shows how serious Lewis took him. Klitschko would simply step back from the wild right hands. Lewis later found a home for the uppercut. Lewis broke Tyson down slowly with a disciplined jab, whereas the Klitschko bout was a brawl.

Posted March 20, 2014 8:50 pm 


BEARS

“briggs was not even top 10 of lennoxs opponents” well, scottyboy out of lennox 40 fights u tell me his top 10 without briggs on it

Posted March 20, 2014 8:50 pm 


Demon

That the same Lennox who never fought a southpaw in his career??

Posted March 20, 2014 8:50 pm 


BEARS

thumb strike wrist rake its right there though lennox’s classic and signature hild and hit move he used his whole career. TARKS right

Posted March 20, 2014 8:46 pm 


BEARS

there were hardly any punches from lennox prior to round 3 prior to fouled and one eyed vitaly. scotty boy does not know what he is talking about. watch the fight and see for yourself

Posted March 20, 2014 8:45 pm 


TARK

Scottyboy you’re lying your ass off..

Vitali rarely ever gets hit well. He out-punched Lewis by a wide margin on the compubox stats. Lewis did hit Vitali some punches, because he was a great fighter, but LL was losing on ALL scorecards.

Those cuts were caused by foul blows… First cut was a thumb strike with the right glove in the 3rd round… You can easily see it.. The 2nd, 3rd, and 4th cuts were from Lewis raking Vitali’s face with the palm of his right glove while he held Vitali’s head in with his left arm… Double foul.. Holding and hitting and striking with the edge, palm, and heel of the glove.

Watch the 3rd round and you’ll clearly see the fouls and damage that resulted… The fight should have gone to the scorecards… Vitali should have been awarded a unanimous techical decision after 6.. After 4 you go to the scorecards if the cuts were caused by illegal contact..

Just like Ward-Kessler went to the scorecards when it was stopped.

Vitali was never stopped on cuts in his life before ro since… He’s not a bleeder… and Lewis never stopped anyone else on cuts… Lewis hit Mavrovic with the kitchen sink for 12 rounds and never cut him.

Posted March 20, 2014 8:43 pm 


BEARS

a the beginning if round 3 before lennox held behind the head and wrist raked vitaly(holding behind the head and hitting like he did his whole career simply watch his first title fight , many fights, look what tua demanded about it before they fought) hbo shows a close up of vitaly. lennox had not hardly been able to land at all and was nearly knocked out in round 2. the close up shows lennox had caused no damage on vitaly prior to round 3. a the beginning of round three lennox gets the clinch holds citaly wrist rakes him and u can see the blood spurt out of the fight ending injury due to foul. that fight should have gone to the cards. u could make a case that it couldve been stopped immediately. as it were vitaly won that fight in the cards and outlanded lennox every round 66% of which vitaly fought with one eye! impressive!!!!

Posted March 20, 2014 8:43 pm 


badger

of course Crimea wants to be part of Russia, the place is a hole under Kiev. It can only improve. Maybe eastern Ukraine will follow.

Posted March 20, 2014 8:30 pm 


scottyboy

Lewis won by cheating?? That’s a new one. So when Vitali said that ‘Lewis hit me more often and harder than anyone ever has’ he was making it up was he? It is just a pure coincidence that vitali said those words and his face ended up being cut like that, just where Lewis hit him ‘more often and harder than anyone ever has’. I’ll give you a big clue: Vitali himself never mentioned once after the fight or since that Lennox cheated or intentionally cut him with his glove. In fact he has stated just the contrary and he was the one in there with Lennox. What makes you think that a keyboard warrior that has probably never lace up a pair in his life, would know more about the validity of the numerous punches that landed on Vitali, than Vitali himself?

Posted March 20, 2014 8:21 pm 


scottyboy

Pratt…do you actually watch the news? The Ukraine has split from Russian control and the extremists that have overthrown it with the assistance of the US want to be part of the EU. That is the reason for this whole revolution and the reason Russia are unhappy. The vote that has just occurred was for Crimea, a small section of the previous Ukraine that is very strategical for the Russians. 96% of Crimea voted to become part of Russia yet the US are urging the UN not to recognise the validity of the vote despite urging them to recognise the coup of the democratically elected government of Ukraine by neonazi extremists.

Posted March 20, 2014 8:12 pm 


CurlyQ.Howard

Lewis won by cheating as that was the only way he could. Check the Youtube video, as it is ready to be watched now and forever. The only way Lewis could win against Vitali was to cheat, and so he did. What Lewis deserved was to be disqualified and not to have his hand raised in victory as the cut was caused by a foul and since Vitali was ahead on points, he should have been declared winner. The truth hurts; doesn’t it, Anonymous.

Posted March 20, 2014 8:09 pm 


scottyboy

Regardless of what happens with Arreola/Stiverne, if he, Briggs (who was only ever a C level champ in his prime) or Adamek gets anywhere near the HOF then it really does prove how pitiful this era of HW boxing really has become. Briggs was not even in Lennox’s top ten list of opponents during his best years, Arreola is a limited crybaby and Adamek is a game but small, average HW. Any of these would be cannon fodder for any top HW of history. The only hope any of either klit opponents make it anywhere near the HOF is if there is a comical shortage of boxing talent that has been retired for long enough once their 5 yrs is up.

Posted March 20, 2014 7:52 pm 


Anonymous

TARK always says he deals in facts. Well the fact is LENNOX LEWIS stopped VITALI and that can never be erased from the books. He sliced him up leaving him looking like he’d peeped in a meat grinder.

Posted March 20, 2014 7:52 pm 


Anonymous

ScottyBoy TARK is a bipolar lunatic who really should be ignored at best. He rewrites his agenda and criteria to suit his flimsy whims. We are still waiting for his so-called writings for ESB for which he was demanding a king’s ransom.

Posted March 20, 2014 7:48 pm 


Pratt

Now, you see why Wlad’s victory over Russian Povetkin was a huge issue. Looks like now Ukraine is going Russian with Putin.
VK must be careful to get out of this mess Ukraine is in, alive.

Posted March 20, 2014 7:48 pm 


Demon

Vitali would had killed Tyson

Posted March 20, 2014 7:48 pm 


Anonymous

TARK talking bs again to back up his bs

Tyson and Bowe are younger than Lewis—but refused to fight Vitali… Vitali easily stopped Danny Williams who stopped Tyson in 3 rounds.
Tyson was shot to b8ggeries by the time he lost to Danny Williams! Come on dude, you’re clutching at straws with all your comparisons and DW was a hot and cold fighter depending on whether this was a chocolate hob nob week or not. I know. I am cool with people in Danny’s inner circle.

Posted March 20, 2014 7:45 pm 


scottyboy

By Tark’s logic Brian Nielsen would be better than Wlad because Purrity beat Wlad and Nielsen beat Purrity. Yep, great logic there! For the record, Danny Williams is a domestic level HW that was already beaten by Sprott by the time he pulled off the performance of his life v Tyson and suffered a pummeling from Vitali.

Posted March 20, 2014 7:40 pm 


scottyboy

Just like I stated earlier, what is your basis for declaring that Vitali won the 1st round v Sanders? Where are your references to punch stats or, ultimately, the actual scorecards? What is obvious is that Sanders landed the cleanest punch of the round and despite only being an average fighter with limited power, had Vitali reeling round the ring when it landed, hanging on bitterly. Judges don’t count punches in the round, they look for dominance and Sanders clearly had Vitali in more trouble than he was himself. The ‘knockdown’ at the end of the round was clearly that; Sanders clearly lands a left (although it hit more of the gloves rather than a clean head punch) and a right hook glanced off Vitali before he went down. Why else would Vitali fall over if not from a punch? If it was called a knockdown no one would have complained at all and Vitali got up and glanced at the ref like he expecting a count. The highlights of the round also clearly show Sanders getting the best of the action.

Posted March 20, 2014 7:30 pm 


Demon

vitali can keep himself in decent nick over the next few years he will come back and break Foremans record and the oldest heavyweight of all time. Mark my words the greatest of all time will be back in 5 years bash the champion and retire. Vitali is was and always will be the number 1 beast of heavyweight boxing. He was never beat in the ring never put down and is well into his 40s. He be back for the record. He not going to fall out of shape any time soon

Posted March 20, 2014 7:26 pm 


Anonymous

Vitali can keep himself in decent nick over the next few years he will come back and break Foremans record and the oldest heavyweight of all time. Mark my words the greatest of all time will be back in 5 years bash the champion and retire. Vitali is was and always will be the number 1 beast of heavyweight boxing. He was never beat in the ring never put down and is well into his 40s. He be back for the record. He not going to fall out of shape any time soon

Posted March 20, 2014 7:25 pm 


TARK

For instance… If Arreola wins his rematch with Stiverne he’ll be another Heavyweight Champion Vitali beat with ease — at the age of 38.

Posted March 20, 2014 7:23 pm 


TARK

Vitali won the 1st round of the Sanders fight… No knockdown was called because it was a slip, not a knockdown… Watch it in slo mo and you’ll see… The referee saw clearly that it was a slip.. VK landed more punches in that round and won it on 2 cards.

As far as the HOF is concerned…

Ingemar Johannson is in the HOF… He won only one of three title fights… A lot of other heavyweights who were terrible got into the HOF. It’s not that big a deal and is political more than anything. Adamek is a 2-Division World Champion and could easily make the HOF in time.. Briggs is a 2-time Heavyweight Champion.. Andd you have no idea what some of the younger heavyweights Vitali fought will accomplish.

Holyfield wouldn’t fight Vitali but was easily beaten by Larry Donald — a guy who was never stopped in his life, except by Vitali Klitschko…

Tyson and Bowe are younger than Lewis—but refused to fight Vitali… Vitali easily stopped Danny Williams who stopped Tyson in 3 rounds.

Just because these Americans wouldn’t fight Vitali doesn’t mean VK isn’t the greatest ever.

Posted March 20, 2014 7:18 pm 


scottyboy

Swedish Boxing Fan…Wlad has never been undisputed champion. The last undisputed HW champion was Lennox. Just thought I’d clarify :)

Posted March 20, 2014 7:11 pm 


scottyboy

Picking a top ever HW is difficult when there are so many good candidates to choose from but personally I find it very difficult to overlook Lennox. He dominated probably the strongest ever HW era and of all the stats people spout about Vitali (never been knocked down, punch stats etc), Lennox has wins over numerous other HOFs and ATGs and has the enviable record of being the only HW boxer besides Marciano to beat every single opponent he faced. I know which stats I’d rather have!

Posted March 20, 2014 7:06 pm 


Swedish Boxing Fan

I have deep respect for Vitali Klitschko for his struggle to fight the bad politics in Ukraine and he did right by leaving boxing and vacate his WBC world title belt as he more and more went away in hunger to fight for his title.

Vitali along with his brother Wladimir Klitschko will go down as the best heavyweights of there era and are guaranteed future Hall of Famers.

However, Vitali Klitschko never defeated any great names in his world title regns and that will hurt his legacy where to put him. His brother Wladimir, Olympic gold medalist and 2-time undisputed world heavyweight champion is on his way to more secure his place among the top ones BUT Vitali will stay behind his younger brother.

Posted March 20, 2014 6:59 pm 


billy the kid

@scottyboy Good points. Lennox was great, everyone would recognize that. Vitali will be in the HOF and clearly deserves to be. Both Klitschkos have had good long reigns. Wlad will be HOF bound too.

Posted March 20, 2014 6:54 pm 


wearerofallthebelts

Lewis excluded of course.

Posted March 20, 2014 6:53 pm 


wearerofallthebelts

I think Vitali could have been an all time great; just bad timing and being in it in the wrong era. We’ll never really know. It’s true he never face a HOF caliber fighter because there were none to face.

Posted March 20, 2014 6:53 pm 


scottyboy

Billu the kid…(should that be Billy) – I’m not disputing anything you said, nor have I implied it. All I’m saying is that it is a myth that Vitali has never been behind on the scorecard, using Sanders as an example. Vitali was a very good boxer but he (nor his brother) have never beaten a single opponent worthy of the HOF. Regardless of other stats, the yardstick for boxers is how they fared against other top boxers. Unfortunately the only HOF fighter that Vitali fought was Lennox and whether there should have been an immediate rematch or not, the correct verdict was given due to an albeit old, overweight and unfit Lennox hitting Vitali more frequently than anyone ever has. The difference in physical form between that version of Lennox and the one which beat Tyson a few months before was scary; he had none of the pop, workrate or physical strength he did v Tyson. When people look back on the career of Lennox they will look at how he did against other greats in his era. Against Tyson, Holyfield and Vitali (all ATGs) he won them all.

Posted March 20, 2014 6:45 pm 


the1

I agree, but more like 3/4 of the heavies

Posted March 20, 2014 6:41 pm 


lman

Sadly two hours of training every other day is probably all Vitali needs to beat half of current crop of HW’s.

Posted March 20, 2014 6:39 pm 


the1

The answer to 1984 is 1776, right? ;)

Posted March 20, 2014 6:34 pm 


the1

Deep, you got the beat buddy! Glad to see someone awake. Need more like ya.

Posted March 20, 2014 6:32 pm 


deepwater2255252

valuev in is the doma russian party now. valuev vs klitco for world domination! also vitali might have noble intent but he is being used and abused.

Posted March 20, 2014 6:29 pm 


billu the kid

@scottyboy Vitali was leading by the end of the Sanders fight when he stopped Corrie in round 8. Being behind after just one round doesn’t mean much. What people are saying in essense is that Vitali was rarely, if ever, outboxed. In both his losses, Vitali was leading on the cards too.

Posted March 20, 2014 6:28 pm 


the1

That was a crazy fight! Yeah, Sanders clocked him and that could have been ruled a knock down. Those guys both earned eac others respect that night.

Posted March 20, 2014 6:28 pm 


scottyboy

Where do people get their stats on Vitali having ‘never been behind on the scorecards’? Can anyone seriously watch the first round of the sanders fight and genuinely score it for Vitali? That round should have been scored a 10-8 round for sanders (legitimate knockdown near the end of the round).

Posted March 20, 2014 6:15 pm 


the1

Granger, you know a lot if we consider what your told through popular media. If you really search, you will really find! It’s all true. He was my fave why.would I.say and.agree to such?

Posted March 20, 2014 6:15 pm 


the1

Deepwater is absolutely right! It’s true… He was my fave but i tell you, what deepwater is.saying.the truth. He’s a puppet.

Posted March 20, 2014 6:11 pm 


scottyboy

Granger…For the record I am not Deepwater or anyone else and I have been posting on this site for over 10yrs using just my name. I don’t post regularly anymore and have been put off by the unlimited multitudes of boxing ‘experts’ that frequent these sites but I’m not sad enough to attempt to drum up interest in my posts by using an alias. People can think what they like of me.

Also for the record, why feel the need to educate me about communist history? The Russians and the Chinese are no angels and I have never declared them to be. I’m guessing that you are a yank by the tone of your post, shall we discuss your history and/or the running of your country with regards to your natives and how they were treated? Just to clarify, they are nearly extinct and the bulk of immigrant (European/African) Americans celebrate thanksgiving. How about the ‘liberation’ of the Iraqis, Afghans and Libyans? Hypocrisy seems to be rife with anything US, including you.

Posted March 20, 2014 6:04 pm 


TARK

Vitali was the all time greatest Heavyweight Champion so far.

It will be a while before somebody eclipses him. He’s the only Heavyweight Champion who has always been ahead on points in every one of his fights. He’s 1 of only 2 heavyweight champions who’ve never suffered a single knockdown—the other being Oliver McCall.. McCall KO’d Lennox Lewis but had only one successful title defense against 45-year-old Larry Holmes.

Vitali has the best differential of punches scored to punches absorbed of any Heavyweight Champion. He even significantly outboxed his opponents during the only 2 fights he lost. One of those losses should have gone to the scorecards, so he has only one real defeat which was because of injury. Without counting the Lewis fight, he’s beaten 6 World Champions and 6 undefeated heavyweight contenders.

Vitali made a comeback at the age of 37 and won 10 straight Heavyweight Championship Fights without a loss—as opposed to George Foreman, who came back at age 38—and won 4 of 7 Heavyweight Championship Fights; and 3 of those against cherry-picked challengers: Axel Shultz, Lou Saverese and Crawford Grimsley—none of whom George could KO.

As far as his brother Wladimir goes—Vitali KO’d 3 opponents who knocked Wladimir down a total of 8 times and beat Wladimir twice… Of course Vitali never got knocked down at all.

Posted March 20, 2014 5:51 pm 


Granger

Scottyboy OR deepwater2255252, or Whichever alias you are using today: Stalin’s communist Russia along with Mao and other tyrannical commy’s, murdered over 100,000,000 people in the 20th alone. That is more than all those killed in religious wars from time immemorial. Sadly, Putin admitted that his greatest regret, is that Russia was defeated and ousted from all the countries they had unlawfully taken over. Putin’s massive ego is causing him to do just what Hitler did and resorting to the same patently bogus excuses. Since we are on a boxing site, I will concede that Putin would destroy Obama in the ring…. but then again, the old Ukranian, Vitali Klitschko, could whup any Russian with ease and take out Putin with his left jab alone.

Posted March 20, 2014 5:36 pm 


deepwater2255252

agreed. but remember its not our opinion. its the facts on the ground. in this day and age its easy to fall for propaganda but with the internet there is no excuse.

Posted March 20, 2014 5:32 pm 


Another Sad day for Pacturds

The GOAT

Posted March 20, 2014 5:30 pm 


Demon

Best of all time. LEGEND

Posted March 20, 2014 5:21 pm 


scottyboy

Deepwater…you and I think alike. There is a very knowledgeable activist on this subject called Eric Draitser, check out his stuff.

Posted March 20, 2014 5:07 pm 


deepwater2255252

the us supports a nazi coup that overthrew a democratically elected leader with violence and snipers. the us refuses to support crimea who democraticaly and parlimentary voted to re align with russia. the puppet leader of ukraine is a central banker that stole 40 billion worth of ukranian gold. wake up sheeple.

Posted March 20, 2014 4:54 pm 


scottyboy

Vitali…you are being used as a political puppet by those with vested interests in fuelling a coup in Ukraine. Does anyone not think it’s coincidental how the yanks are meddling in sovereign countries’ business in the other half of the globe? How about if Russia began financing and fuelling a coup against the sovereign, democratically elected government of a country bordering the US, how would this e perceived? There is significant evidence that the US has secretly instigated, financed and fuelled the violent rebellion in Ukraine, if nothing else please listen to Victoria Nuland’s ‘fu&k the EU’ speech. Boxing suddenly becomes insignificant in the face of hypocritical global imperialism corrupt, corporate media.

Posted March 20, 2014 4:39 pm 


deepwater2255252

vitali lived in germany the last 14 years and all his funds are kept in germany.

Posted March 20, 2014 4:34 pm 


deepwater2255252

vitali is a supporter of the far right nazi movement that overthrew a democratically elected leader. he is corrupt.

Posted March 20, 2014 4:31 pm 


detroitko

VITALI is the man!

Posted March 20, 2014 3:25 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

Klitschko needs to get Putin into the ring and teach him a thing or two

Posted March 20, 2014 3:20 pm 


Klitschko the King

My friends, Vitali Klitschko truly WAS the King, Czar, Emperor and Ruler of heavyweight boxing. We will have a hard time replacing him, for his bouts will live long in the menory. Who can forget his two-round destruction of Herbie Hide to announce his arrival on the world stage? VK’s momentous battle with Lennox Lewis will stay long in the mind and indeed, it is still talked about and debated more than a decade later. We all remember his eight round victory against the valiant, courageous and talented Corrie Sanders, R.I.P. Who can forget Vitali’s demolition of Danny Williams? In his second reign as WBC Champ, and after four years out, in his comeback fiight Vitali taught the ‘Nigerian Nightmare’ Samuel Peter a one-sided boxing lesson to once again claim his rightful place at the top of the HW tree, easily retained his crown against Cristobal Arreola, crushed highly-rated former Olympic Champ Cuba’s Odlanier Solis in 1 round, dominated Poland’s Tomasz Adamek, boxed the ears off Britain’s Dereck Chisora for 12 rounds and in his final fight, and at the age of over 40, floored and beat Manuel Charr. He leaves behind a fine legacy and we still have the thrill of seeing his younger brother and HW Champion Wladimir keep the division alive almost single-handedly with exciting fights!! My friends, Vitali ‘Dr Ironfist’ Klitschko ‘ the Fighter with the Phd’ is a shoo-in for the Hall Of Fame and is, of course, an ALL TIME GREAT of the sport. We wish Vitali well in his entry into politics.

Posted March 20, 2014 3:06 pm 


yo

vitally ko Wladimir, round 4

vitally ko wilder, round 1

Posted March 20, 2014 3:00 pm 


Dazani

True, Boxing may end up as a small part of his legacy if he indeed wins and goes on to rebuild his country to what he envisions (which is hopefully a good vision).

Posted March 20, 2014 2:55 pm 


CurlyQ.Howard

“What Vitali and all the Ukrankinas have gone through is crazy. Fact he put politics over boxing when he likely still had a few good years and many millions of dollars left on the table is a noble act. Props.” This.

Posted March 20, 2014 2:40 pm 


drx

God bless you champ

Posted March 20, 2014 2:34 pm 


Fight Aficionado

What Vitali and all the Ukrankinas have gone through is crazy. Fact he put politics over boxing when he likely still had a few good years and many millions of dollars left on the table is a noble act. Props.

Posted March 20, 2014 2:05 pm 


badger

He will be in the HOF soon enough.

Posted March 20, 2014 1:55 pm 


Dazani

Vitali VS.

Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Gene Tunney
Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano
Floyd Patterson
Sonny Liston
Muhammad Ali
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Ken Norton
Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson
Evander Holyfield
Riddick Bowe
Lennox Lewis…well…hahaha

Who do you favor him against?

Posted March 20, 2014 1:45 pm 


Dazani

If you were to make a list void of eras, where would Vitali rank All Time in the HW Division?

Posted March 20, 2014 1:39 pm 



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