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jim

lucas browne v leapai would be a good fight…browne needs to get a big fight of his own.

Posted March 26, 2014 3:35 pm 


rod

Lucas browne would smash leapai.

Posted March 26, 2014 3:23 pm 


eric

Ross was one of those strong big men with power, but was lazy most of the time, when ross let his has go he could hurt anyone but also gased easily. Ross was as good as he wanted to be.

Posted March 26, 2014 12:45 pm 


Migraine Elliott

Oh ya, to fight Wilder you need a good ear, not chin, cause Wilder likes to tap your ears and temples and UPSIDE your Head.

Posted March 26, 2014 12:43 pm 


Migraine Elliott

So what he is trying to drum up some excitement, so what. He is facing manditory opponent. Then on to Pulev, a good one, then on to WBC Champ or maybe Deon Wilder. Plenty of good fights coming up for the white boy. He has lots of HOPES coming his way, trying to DeTHROWN him. Even Povetkin is out there again as a manditory. I would like to see Pov vs Wilder. Pov has good straight rights and combos and a great chin, and he could be the one to take out Deon. Deon is a phony in my book. He is going to be starched like military trousers real soon, or even Parked like a Cadillac like old Mr Bill used to say. Wilder will be parked like a Cadillac. All of this is giving me a headache! Need a couple of pills. Out!

Posted March 26, 2014 12:41 pm 


JJ

Wlad Klitschko turned pro at just 20 in 1996, Lennox Lewis was a few years older at 23 in 1989. When you look at Wlad’s 11th round loss to Puritty in 1998, it’s kind of understandable. Ross Puritty was a rugged son of a gun who had mixed with some big names and WK then was not used to long rugged fights, having had things more or less his own way. Wlad now has a 61-3 record with TWENTY more wins in the pro ring than Lennox Lewis, and Lewis had his last fight at the age of 37, while Wlad has had a longer career AND is still Champ at 38. Whatever way you want to look at it, Wladimir Klitschko’s record can stand on its own and compare to anyone’s…Now, the Leapai fight…Wlad is not daft enough to overlook Alex Leapai. Leapai is strong and can punch and this is his chance at the bigtime. Wlad hasn’t got a chin like Vitali so can’t afford to mix it so much. I think Wlad will break him down from long range initially, to win in 5 or 6 rounds.

Posted March 26, 2014 10:19 am 


leapai4eva

Whoooosh!!

Posted March 26, 2014 5:33 am 


TARK

B Red has nicotine stains on his brown nose… Plus he’s the dumbest fk on the planet.

Posted March 26, 2014 12:02 am 


Mac

Wladimir klitschko comments in this article is aim at making the fight seem a bit more evenly matched and therefore creating a more interesting fight scenario for fans.
As he is suggests that he could get KO because leapai is so strong.
When a fight appears as a total mismatch there is less interest among fight fan to watch but when a fight appears evenly matched that either can win then fans are more interested.

Posted March 25, 2014 10:53 pm 


laj

Lot of comments that don’t have anything to do with this fight. Leapai is a decent fighter, but really doesn’t have anything Wlad hasn’t seen before. Wlad is faster more skilled, hits harder and really has all the advantages, other than the inside fighting, which he should be able to avoid. Wish he was fighting Pulev, but Expect that late summer, maybe even through in a Fury or Wilder later in the year for a light snack.

Posted March 25, 2014 10:41 pm 


TARK

Right.., When Holmes was 38 was KO’d by Tyson.. When Ali was 38 he lost every minute of every round to Holmes.. When Johnson was 37 he lost to Willard.. When Louis was 36 he got beaten up by Charles.. When Ali was 36 he was beaten by Leon Spinks.. When Holmes was 36 he was beaten by Michael Spinks.. When Tyson was 37 he was stopped by Danny Williams.. When Holyfield was 36 he was beaten by John Ruiz.

Longevity is a big deal for any Heavyweight Champion… along with the number of successful title defenses, KO ratio, and winning ratio.

Posted March 25, 2014 9:37 pm 


Swedish Boxing Fan

Happy birthday Wladimir Klitschko, your birthday is here (2014-03-25) Turn 38 years old and still going strong.

The heavyweight champion of the world sence 2006 with 15 world title defences and a total world heavyweight title record of 22-2-0 with KO’s 17 from two title reigns so he is strong on the champion throne.

34 year old Alex Leapai (30-4-3, 24 KO’s), the Nr. 1 WBO world title challanger and 14# best heavyweight by Fightnews have earned his title shot by defeating Dennis Boystov so what to say, he did it the classic way and this guy have good punch-power.

BUT Leapai is a short heavyweight contender with his 183cm (6.0) compared Wladimir’s height of 198 cm (6,6). Also to note is that Alex Leapai have been knocked down 4-5 times in his PRO career and have been stoped in 2 of his 4 losses so I belive his chin is not on the same level as his punch-power so he will need to be good at protect himself against Wladimir.

He is not that of a thret that compared to IBF 1# challanger and Fightnews 2# best heavyweight Kubrat Pulev, later this year waiting for Wladimir but Leapai is first in line now and can’t be overlooked. He will give all he haves against Wladimir

Posted March 25, 2014 9:33 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

The Puritty fight was all the way back in ’98, so going on 16 long years ago. WK was just a skinny, 22-year-old greenhorn trying to transition into pro boxing. It was only about two years after he won Gold in the ’96 Olympics. It’s hard to believe that he just turned 38 and will probably be retired within the next 2-3 years. It’s also hard to believe that Vitali could very well become the President of Ukraine in 2015.

Posted March 25, 2014 8:06 pm 


badger

that purity match was how many years ago?

Posted March 25, 2014 7:37 pm 


UD

Wlas fight against Ross was also his ninth fight that year.

Posted March 25, 2014 7:28 pm 


TARK

Wladimir was ill before the Puritty fight—and came in very light for that particular fight.

He never thereafter came within 10 pounds of being that light again. He was feeling weak by the 9th. He weighed 225 (less than Wilder weighs now) for that fight. That sounds big, but it’s actually skinny for a 6’7” heavyweight. He made a major effort to do more weight training and strength training following that fight—Puritty was 250 for that fight and in tremendous shape. He’s a tremendous absorber and was trying to get Wladimir to throw, throw, throw, and throw … which he did.

Wladimir was very angry at his corner for stopping the fight because he said he could feel Puritty’s punches beginning to weaken. Ross was one of the toughest guys ever—but he took tremendous punishment as Wladimir nearly exhausted himself trying to stop him. Then Ross made a massive effort for the KO. He was actually starting to weaken from that effort as WK’s second walked over to stop it.

Posted March 25, 2014 6:49 pm 


badger

Leapi needs to go at wlad early. Lets not forget the Kevin Johnson stopped Leapi in 9 rounds.

Posted March 25, 2014 6:01 pm 


MIDGET

Dazani,do you ever come up for air???you got more mouth than Dave the Toe Haye

Posted March 25, 2014 5:36 pm 


Dazani

aj1575

@Dazani
“It was just down to PUrrity catching Wlad with a solid shot and Wlad couldn’t go on according to his corner?”
I just watched the highlights again (Wlad-Puritty). Did you see the pace Wlad had at the beginning, insane if you compare it to today. Wlad was 24-0 at that time, and he really wanted to keep that O. He kept coming after Puritty, until he also got hit. This definitely help for the outcome of the fight. A smart boxer would just concentrate on defense more when he won the first 8 rounds, but if you keep charging you loose energy, this means are getting weaker and also important slower, which makes you an easier target. So yes overpowering is the main reason for Wlads loss against Puritty (you can’t punch yourself out until you can’t stand on your feet anymore, your opponent als has to do his part).
Posted March 25, 2014 5:09 pm

Wlad was a machine back then. All about brutalizing an opponent. Fast forward to the Mercer fight and WOW, that was some serious damage he put on him. It does catch up to him with certain fights during that time. Getting with Emanuel and adjusting his strategy to Win first, look good in the next one as George Benton put it, was smart.

I remember Larry Holmes saying that you can’t keep punching with power all the time because you will wear yourself out. You have to mix it all up.

Posted March 25, 2014 5:28 pm 


Dazani

So even if I can agree that an increase of weight can help a fighter absorb more punishment, I still maintain only to a certain extent. To much weight and it starts to hinder the fighter because from a physical stand-point, the athlete can be less limber which increases tightness which results in a tense fighter leading to exhaustion. Adding in the amount of weight over the athletes natural allowance to his frame and it causes to much pressure on the heart and lungs causing a fighter to exhaust himself quicker…thus having a better chance of mental exhaustion…thus causing a fighter to want to give up quicker. Or how Vince Lombardi put it, “Fatigue makes cowards of us all.”

At 40+ years of age, I also add that in. That’s not a healthy age for any athlete to absorb more punishment most of the time. There are freak exceptions, namely, Big George Foreman. But one only leaves a possibility and not a strong case point.

Posted March 25, 2014 5:25 pm 


Dazani

Anonymous

I’m perfectly calm and I have been throughout our brief liaison. You might need to take a couple of deep breathes but I can assure that I don’t.

I don’t have to point out anything. It was you who did all the ground work exposing yourself as having an agenda not me. And I was even gracious enough to explain why that was to you as well.

All I know is that you do have an agenda and I really can’t think of a valid reason or excuse why everyone who’s been following our discourse wouldn’t be able to cotton on to that to. That’s all that needs to be said and why I’ll end it here. Gracious old me will even allow you to have the last word.
Posted March 25, 2014 5:00 pm

I still don’t know what the agenda is. Seriously.

What I saw from your point was to simplistic and I wanted to push it further in showing the positive and the negative to all of what was Briggs.

I don’t think anything like “increase of weight” is so concrete in one way that it can’t be challenged logically.

That’s why I was asking questions.

Posted March 25, 2014 5:21 pm 


aj1575

@Dazani
“It was just down to PUrrity catching Wlad with a solid shot and Wlad couldn’t go on according to his corner?”
I just watched the highlights again (Wlad-Puritty). Did you see the pace Wlad had at the beginning, insane if you compare it to today. Wlad was 24-0 at that time, and he really wanted to keep that O. He kept coming after Puritty, until he also got hit. This definitely help for the outcome of the fight. A smart boxer would just concentrate on defense more when he won the first 8 rounds, but if you keep charging you loose energy, this means are getting weaker and also important slower, which makes you an easier target. So yes overpowering is the main reason for Wlads loss against Puritty (you can’t punch yourself out until you can’t stand on your feet anymore, your opponent als has to do his part).

Posted March 25, 2014 5:09 pm 


Anonymous

I’m perfectly calm and I have been throughout our brief liaison. You might need to take a couple of deep breathes but I can assure that I don’t.

I don’t have to point out anything. It was you who did all the ground work exposing yourself as having an agenda not me. And I was even gracious enough to explain why that was to you as well.

All I know is that you do have an agenda and I really can’t think of a valid reason or excuse why everyone who’s been following our discourse wouldn’t be able to cotton on to that to. That’s all that needs to be said and why I’ll end it here. Gracious old me will even allow you to have the last word.

Posted March 25, 2014 5:00 pm 


Dazani

aj1575

“So are you saying that when a boxer runs out of “steam” he is more susceptible to being taken out?”

This is a rhetorical question, right?

To be exact, Wlad was taken out by his corner in the Purity fight.
Posted March 25, 2014 4:45 pm

So Wlad didn’t wear down in that fight?

It was just down to PUrrity catching Wlad with a solid shot and Wlad couldn’t go on according to his corner?

TRUE though, the corner did step in. This goes along with my statement that Wlad doesn’t quit. He is all heart.

Posted March 25, 2014 4:53 pm 


Dazani

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

It is an interesting topic. If we can find “natural” athletes to exam it would be great.

I’m trying to think of all the current top tier players in each sport.

I would have to find the average age of each athlete in each of those sports, be it boxing, football-World, NFL-Football, Baseball, Tennis, Gymnastics, Basketball, etc.

And then see who are the top players and what age are they and then exam when they came into their physical prime. And if there rise to peak level is more do to physical or mind/technical ability since sports is more than just physical.

Posted March 25, 2014 4:48 pm 


aj1575

“So are you saying that when a boxer runs out of “steam” he is more susceptible to being taken out?”

This is a rhetorical question, right?

To be exact, Wlad was taken out by his corner in the Purity fight.

Posted March 25, 2014 4:45 pm 


Dazani

aj1575

One myth about Wlad is his glass chin. Wlad definitely does not have a granite chin like his brother, but if he can take very decent shots from a prime KO artist like Sam Peter was in 2005, and keep on fighting, and even win the fight over 12 rounds, then he does not have glass chin. His three losses were not because of his chin. Against Purity he simply overpowered and ran out of steam, the same did happened against Brewster. And Corrie Sanders could hit like a mule. A boxer who is going down against Sanders may have a decent chin, but a boxer who could take a hit from Sanders must definitely have a solid granit chin.
Posted March 25, 2014 4:39 pm

So are you saying that when a boxer runs out of “steam” he is more susceptible to being taken out?

If so, please communicate that with “Anonymous “

Posted March 25, 2014 4:42 pm 


Dazani

Anonymous

I’m sorry but I afraid I missed nothing. Quite the opposite in fact. I’ve been at this too long and I’m too long in the tooth to mistake or not to immediately recognize the unmistakable tell tale signs of what you were doing. I’ve been in this position more times that I can remember and I was gracious enough to give you the benefit of the doubt even when I knew otherwise.

It wouldn’t have taken this long to make you see reason if you didn’t have an agenda and you never would’ve had to resort to straw man tactics or been so obstinate if that wasn’t the case either.

Let’s just leave it at that. Good day.
Posted March 25, 2014 4:34 pm

I think you are getting to emotional. Take a deep breath.

I don’t have an agenda. You would have to point out what that would be because you are seeing it one way and I’m seeing it another.

Posted March 25, 2014 4:39 pm 


aj1575

One myth about Wlad is his glass chin. Wlad definitely does not have a granite chin like his brother, but if he can take very decent shots from a prime KO artist like Sam Peter was in 2005, and keep on fighting, and even win the fight over 12 rounds, then he does not have glass chin. His three losses were not because of his chin. Against Purity he simply overpowered and ran out of steam, the same did happened against Brewster. And Corrie Sanders could hit like a mule. A boxer who is going down against Sanders may have a decent chin, but a boxer who could take a hit from Sanders must definitely have a solid granit chin.

Posted March 25, 2014 4:39 pm 


Anonymous

I’m sorry but I afraid I missed nothing. Quite the opposite in fact. I’ve been at this too long and I’m too long in the tooth to mistake or not to immediately recognize the unmistakable tell tale signs of what you were doing. I’ve been in this position more times that I can remember and I was gracious enough to give you the benefit of the doubt even when I knew otherwise.

It wouldn’t have taken this long to make you see reason if you didn’t have an agenda and you never would’ve had to resort to straw man tactics or been so obstinate if that wasn’t the case either.

Let’s just leave it at that. Good day.

Posted March 25, 2014 4:34 pm 


aj1575

Let me correct one of my previous statements. Clinching (instead of holding) to avoid insight looks uglier than running to avoid jabs and straights, but both are legit tactics. It is funny, how a lot of people call what Wlad does is holding, while other fighters are clinching. Ok, maybe I’m not the boxing expert to tell the difference, but to me what Wlad does is not a dirty tactic (in the Povetkin fight he used this tactic too much, but you can also attribute that to Povetkin, who tried to come in bent down low for the whole fight).

Posted March 25, 2014 4:31 pm 


Dazani

Anonymous

Try making it a little less obvious the next time if you actually want me to think you genuinely want to engage me in serious debate. Maybe I’ll forget who you are and be dumb enough to fall for it. Good day.
Posted March 25, 2014 4:22 pm

Next time come up with stronger points.

Posted March 25, 2014 4:24 pm 


Dazani

Anonymous

I was obviously responding to this question and I answered it clearly and concisely. But you kept trying to put words in my mouth, being obstinate and rigidly defending what cannot be defended and resorting to desperation tactics because you don’t like losing arguments.

”How come Vitali didn’t take him out like Lewis did despite Briggs being way past his prime?”

Posted March 25, 2014 2:36 pm

That’s really big of you to finally concede that adding weight and mass in key areas can help fighters withstand more punishment. You should’ve just admitted so in the beginning instead of trying so hard to be wilfully obtuse and argumentative. The straw manning sort of gave the game away too, which you did a number of times and continued to do so even after I had been gracious and civil enough clarify for you exactly what I’d meant.
Posted March 25, 2014 4:17 pm

I don’t mind losing arguments. I’ve lost many throughout the years. And I adjust my way of thinking because of it. One day I can think one way, and then someone gives me a better argument backed up with facts, and I say, “ah-ha,” that is quite brilliant, I will concede you are right (after further fact checking and thinking) and now put that into my thinking process.”

You missed the other points however. My point was directly at Briggs and not just in general. With Briggs, given his age, and the amount of weight he gained over his natural stature, I say it actually hinders him…at least after a certain point.

AND, I also mentioned how being Younger with less wear and tear and in great physical shape can help you take more punishment.

Posted March 25, 2014 4:23 pm 


Anonymous

Try making it a little less obvious the next time if you actually want me to think you genuinely want to engage me in serious debate. Maybe I’ll forget who you are and be dumb enough to fall for it. Good day.

Posted March 25, 2014 4:22 pm 


James

Vitali put a one sided beating on Briggs. Some referees would have stopped that well before the final bell.

Posted March 25, 2014 4:20 pm 


Dazani

Tomato Can Stan

Dazani – “because Vitali will beat you down like Marciano”.

Marciano also had incredible one punch power, not just accumulative effect. Probably one of the hardest heavyweight punchers ever to exist, the infamous Suzie Q.
Posted March 25, 2014 4:13 pm

I don’t know, it’s hard to imagine putting him in the “Heavyweight” punchers category as he was 185 pounds and was fighting other men his own size who were worn torn themselves for the most part. I don’t doubt he hit hard, even with a single shot, but compared to other men that were naturally 200+, I just don’t know. Maybe he does. Maybe the stories of Middleweights hitting harder than Heavyweights is true. Possible.

Posted March 25, 2014 4:18 pm 


Anonymous

I was obviously responding to this question and I answered it clearly and concisely. But you kept trying to put words in my mouth, being obstinate and rigidly defending what cannot be defended and resorting to desperation tactics because you don’t like losing arguments.

”How come Vitali didn’t take him out like Lewis did despite Briggs being way past his prime?”

Posted March 25, 2014 2:36 pm

That’s really big of you to finally concede that adding weight and mass in key areas can help fighters withstand more punishment. You should’ve just admitted so in the beginning instead of trying so hard to be wilfully obtuse and argumentative. The straw manning sort of gave the game away too, which you did a number of times and continued to do so even after I had been gracious and civil enough clarify for you exactly what I’d meant.

Posted March 25, 2014 4:17 pm 


Dazani

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

“Physical prime or technical/boxing prime? I mean, how old was Wlad in each of his losses to not be in his physical prime?”

Both. WK was only 26 when he lost to Sanders and had just turned 28 when he lost to Brewster. Many leading scientists agree that the average man does not reach the peak of his physical potential until about 30 years of age. I would argue that WK had not yet reached his physical or technical/boxing prime by the first Brewster fight. Vitali was the exact same way. Lewis is another great HW who didn’t reach his prime until his 30s.
Posted March 25, 2014 4:10 pm

Can I have those sources because I see more athletes in their 20’s being physically better off than their 30’s. The difference as they get older or hit 30, according to athletes, is that they are smarter and understand how to do everything better Mentally, Physically, and Technically…but then there is the drop when you finally get it all together. They could be changing with “advancement”

Posted March 25, 2014 4:15 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

Dazani – “because Vitali will beat you down like Marciano”.

Marciano also had incredible one punch power, not just accumulative effect. Probably one of the hardest heavyweight punchers ever to exist, the infamous Suzie Q.

Posted March 25, 2014 4:13 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

“Physical prime or technical/boxing prime? I mean, how old was Wlad in each of his losses to not be in his physical prime?”

Both. WK was only 26 when he lost to Sanders and had just turned 28 when he lost to Brewster. Many leading scientists agree that the average man does not reach the peak of his physical potential until about 30 years of age. I would argue that WK had not yet reached his physical or technical/boxing prime by the first Brewster fight. Vitali was the exact same way. Lewis is another great HW who didn’t reach his prime until his 30s.

Posted March 25, 2014 4:10 pm 


Anonymous

Dazani has the beat. LEWIS and Briggs went to war and it was a decent scrap until LEWIS got the upper hand. I only wish we could say the same for today’s heavies. When was the last time we saw a decent back and forth heavyweight scrap? Wow. Definitely not this decade!

Posted March 25, 2014 4:09 pm 


Dazani

Tomato Can Stan

“Or maybe Lewis just has more power” – Then why does Vitali have a higher KO percentage ?

Dazani, you are usually a reasonable poster…….but you’re sinking today, my friend…….you’re clutching at straws. You’re down on the scorecards and swinging for the fences.

Give up this preposterous argument. You’re brain today has apparently suffered more damage than Brigg’s did against Klitschko
Posted March 25, 2014 3:53 pm

***Vitali has a higher KO% than Lewis for the same reason he has a higher KO% than his brother Wlad despite numerous sources saying Wlad hits harder…because Vitali will beat you down like Marciano did to his opponents while Lewis and the new version of Wlad will play chess if they can.

And there is competition as well.

Posted March 25, 2014 4:06 pm 


Dazani

Tomato Can Stan

“Or maybe Lewis just has more power” – Then why does Vitali have a higher KO percentage ?

Dazani, you are usually a reasonable poster…….but you’re sinking today, my friend…….you’re clutching at straws. You’re down on the scorecards and swinging for the fences.

Give up this preposterous argument. You’re brain today has apparently suffered more damage than Brigg’s did against Klitschko
Posted March 25, 2014 3:53 pm

Why was Lewis able to take out Briggs and Vitali wasn’t despite Briggs being more worn torn, overweight, and OLD?

The simple reason being that he was 260+ pounds? It doesn’t work for all the reasons I mentioned. All that weight is good for about half the fight at most and then you wear out.

Posted March 25, 2014 4:03 pm 


Dazani

Does an increase of weight beyond one’s own allowance cause quicker fatigue?

Does a fatigued body cause the mind and body to want to give up?

Does this all put you at a greater disadvantage?

now add in wear and tear and age of the fighter.

That’s what I am getting at.

Posted March 25, 2014 4:01 pm 


Dazani

Anonymous

I’ve already explained this. Stop being such a petulant argumentative brat. You’re trying to argue that black is white and white is black and thus in the process exposed yourself and that you have an agenda.

I don’t have a clue what your agenda is. I’ve never really paid much attention to your posts before. But all I know is that you clearly have one, whatever it might be. You wouldn’t be so argumentative, trying so hard to disagree with everything I’ve said even though it makes perfect sense and/or is not open to dispute. You wouldn’t be resorting to the desperation tactics of straw man arguments either if you didn’t have an agenda.
Posted March 25, 2014 3:55 pm

It’s called finding the truth.

So we agree on this: Briggs was Younger and Better when he fought Lewis. He was Mentally, Physically, and Technically better against Lewis.

However, in your argument, Briggs, at 40+ years old, because of the massive “enhanced” weight gain, was able to sustain more punishment against Vitali which may or may not be true. While I may concede that an increase of weight can help take punishment, it can also have the reverse affect after a certain amount of time or rounds because to much added weight hinders stamina which decreases ones ability to absorb punishment for the long haul as seen in many cases with boxers gassing and being taken out.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:59 pm 


Dazani

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

“Wladimir was stopped twice legitimately.” Very true, but that was before Steward had time to re-train him and before WK reached his physical prime. Everyone has to admit that WK became a much better fighter under Steward. Bottom line is that WK’s last loss was 10 YEARS ago!
Posted March 25, 2014 3:49 pm

Physical prime or technical/boxing prime?

I mean, how old was Wlad in each of his losses to not be in his physical prime?

Maybe Purrity because he was about 22 years of age but other than that, it’s hard to argue against him not being in his physical prime against Sanders and Brewster.

Now boxing strategy wise, you could argue he was better off with Emanuel.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:56 pm 


Anonymous

I’ve already explained this. Stop being such a petulant argumentative brat. You’re trying to argue that black is white and white is black and thus in the process exposed yourself and that you have an agenda.

I don’t have a clue what your agenda is. I’ve never really paid much attention to your posts before. But all I know is that you clearly have one, whatever it might be. You wouldn’t be so argumentative, trying so hard to disagree with everything I’ve said even though it makes perfect sense and/or is not open to dispute. You wouldn’t be resorting to the desperation tactics of straw man arguments either if you didn’t have an agenda.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:55 pm 


redz

what the f!!k has briggs, dempsey, the 90s, lewis, bowe, putting on weight, vitali mentally tougher and all the other bullsh!t off the topic arguements got to do with this fight?

Posted March 25, 2014 3:54 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

“Or maybe Lewis just has more power” – Then why does Vitali have a higher KO percentage ?

Dazani, you are usually a reasonable poster…….but you’re sinking today, my friend…….you’re clutching at straws. You’re down on the scorecards and swinging for the fences.

Give up this preposterous argument. You’re brain today has apparently suffered more damage than Brigg’s did against Klitschko

Posted March 25, 2014 3:53 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

“Wladimir was stopped twice legitimately.” Very true, but that was before Steward had time to re-train him and before WK reached his physical prime. Everyone has to admit that WK became a much better fighter under Steward. Bottom line is that WK’s last loss was 10 YEARS ago!

Posted March 25, 2014 3:49 pm 


Dazani

What’s my agenda? Please be open and honest.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:48 pm 


Anonymous

You’re trying way too hard. Try toning it down a little to make it less obvious that you have an agenda next time. You keep arguing against points I hadn’t made because the ones that I was making were making you feel uncomfortable and exposing you for being argumentative and agenda-driven.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:48 pm 


Dazani

Anonymous

I never said the Briggs who fought Vitali was better, that was you just straw manning and putting words in my mouth. I simply explained why he was able to withstand more punishment, but you continued to argue against it, looking for holes in my argument to exploit because it doesn’t fit with your agenda.
Posted March 25, 2014 3:44 pm

Or maybe Lewis just has more power and went after the KO while Vitali didn’t at that point.

More mass didn’t help Bruno against Tyson.

And more mass worked against Tyson in his own career. Being lazy did too but that’s something else.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:47 pm 


Anonymous

I never said the Briggs who fought Vitali was better, that was you just straw manning and putting words in my mouth. I simply explained why he was able to withstand more punishment, but you continued to argue against it, looking for holes in my argument to exploit because it doesn’t fit with your agenda.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:44 pm 


Dazani

Anonymous

Now you’re clutching at straws instead of using them to build your straw man arguments. Those were just two examples. However, I’ll repeat once again.

There’s a very good reason why fighters add weight and/or bulk when they move up in weight or make their way through the divisions. Adding nearly 40 lbs of solid muscle and bulking in up in key areas has is done for a very specific reason. And the fact that you’re trying to argue against this either means you’re being wilfully obtuse or as I suspect just argumentative for the sake of it because you’re blindly defending your agenda because you don’t like losing arguments.

Either way I’m not interested. I’ve always try to remain civil, but I’m afraid it’s just a complete waste of time trying to engage in debate with people like you.
Posted March 25, 2014 3:40 pm

It does not matter. Briggs was better against Lewis. Mentally, Physically, and Technically.

To much weight makes you breath faster and heavier which causes you to lose stamina which makes you more vulnerable to being taken out.

Again, how old was Briggs when he fought Vital?
How old was he when he fought Lewis?
YOUTH is better in absorbing punishment.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:43 pm 


Dazani

Round 11, 1:05 remaining, might be the punch he was talking about. He may have said round 10 though. He needed his inhaler so it was hard to understand him.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:40 pm 


Anonymous

Now you’re clutching at straws instead of using them to build your straw man arguments. Those were just two examples. However, I’ll repeat once again.

There’s a very good reason why fighters add weight and/or bulk when they move up in weight or make their way through the divisions. Adding nearly 40 lbs of solid muscle and bulking in up in key areas has is done for a very specific reason. And the fact that you’re trying to argue against this either means you’re being wilfully obtuse or as I suspect just argumentative for the sake of it because you’re blindly defending your agenda because you don’t like losing arguments.

Either way I’m not interested. I’ve always try to remain civil, but I’m afraid it’s just a complete waste of time trying to engage in debate with people like you.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:40 pm 


Dazani

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Q: “How old was Briggs when Vitali fought him?”
A: Younger than Vitali.

Q: “How old was Briggs when Lewis fought him?”
A: Younger than Lewis.

Difference is that SB darn near KO’d LL and had him stumbling all over Queer Street like a drunken sailor. SB never even came close to rocking, wobbling or hurting the granite-chinned VK — who never once touched the canvas throughout his entire boxing career.
Posted March 25, 2014 3:35 pm

That’s because Briggs was Younger and Better at that point while he could do nothing at his advanced age and poor condition when facing Vitali. nothing more than a punching bag.

Actually Briggs claimed he wobbled Vitali. I think it was the 11th round by a right punch.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:37 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Q: “How old was Briggs when Vitali fought him?”
A: Younger than Vitali.

Q: “How old was Briggs when Lewis fought him?”
A: Younger than Lewis.

Difference is that SB darn near KO’d LL and had him stumbling all over Queer Street like a drunken sailor. SB never even came close to rocking, wobbling or hurting the granite-chinned VK — who never once touched the canvas throughout his entire boxing career.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:35 pm 


Dazani

so again, Briggs was better against Lewis.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:35 pm 


Dazani

But YES, weight can help at times. Especially if a fighter is below his true weight. We see this all the time with the smaller fighters who try to boil themselves down to a division, get hurt, only to move up and be healthier and stronger. But its not like the “Chin” massively improves.

And if your stamina is hindered by the weight and you are gassing, you are more susceptible to being knocked out because Mentally your mind wants to give up and physically, your body isn’t able to respond to punches as well. ALL said by fighters by the way. That’s why being in shape Mentally and Physically is key to how well you fight. The fighting spirit or “heart.” Older fighters and out of shape fighters tend to “retire” more because they no longer have the ‘heart’ for it.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:34 pm 


Dazani

Anonymous

There’s a very good reason why fighters often add weight and bulk up when they move up in weight. Roy Jones was dropped by Lou De Valle at light-heavyweight but stood up to a couple of hard Ruiz right hands up at heavyweight. James Toney was dropped by Reggie Johnson but was able to withstand power shots from a massive punching Samuel Peter at heavyweight.
Posted March 25, 2014 3:27 pm

Roy didn’t see the punch coming against Lou. The punch that you don’t see coming in hurts you more. He turned his head. He was actually shortly shook by a Ruiz hit.

Peter shook Toney who Toney called the hardest hitter he fought.

There are different reasons as to why one falls and doesn’t. Some fighters claim they have been more hurt while still standing then when they had gone down.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:31 pm 


Dazani

Tomato Can Stan

“Wladimir was stopped twice legitimately” – Sanders got him, totally ambushed him, no doubt about that. But if Wlad had paced himself like he does now against Purrity and Brewster, he would of won handily. That was before the Steward era.
Posted March 25, 2014 3:25 pm

Is this kind of like the Rooney-Tyson debates?

Posted March 25, 2014 3:28 pm 


Anonymous

There’s a very good reason why fighters often add weight and bulk up when they move up in weight. Roy Jones was dropped by Lou De Valle at light-heavyweight but stood up to a couple of hard Ruiz right hands up at heavyweight. James Toney was dropped by Reggie Johnson but was able to withstand power shots from a massive punching Samuel Peter at heavyweight.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:27 pm 


Dazani

TARK

Dazani.., If a guy suffers and injury that’s a legitimate excuse for being beaten… An injury is unfortunate, and that’s what happened to Vitali Klitschko when he was ahead on ALL CARDS in the only 2 fights he lost.. If the Lewis fight went to the scorecards, which it should have, he wins that fight by technical UD

Lewis’s defense let him down twice, and he got hammered. That’s not a real good excuse for losing.

Wladimir was stopped twice legitimately. NO excuse … and Vitali beat both of those guys up and stopped them.
Posted March 25, 2014 3:20 pm

I’ll give you the Lewis fight but not necessarily the Byrd fight since fighters are judged by their peers who have fought on with injury. Now was it smart to “retire”? It depends on who is discussing it.

I do agree however that Lewis’s defense let him down against both McCall and Rahman and that is a mark against him.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:26 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

“Wladimir was stopped twice legitimately” – Sanders got him, totally ambushed him, no doubt about that. But if Wlad had paced himself like he does now against Purrity and Brewster, he would of won handily. That was before the Steward era.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:25 pm 


Anonymous

OK, obviously you like having an argument and have an agenda here. But please stop with the straw man arguments. I’ve already been explicitly clear and all you’re now doing is putting words in my mouth and then arguing against them.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:23 pm 


TARK

Dazani.., If a guy suffers and injury that’s a legitimate excuse for being beaten… An injury is unfortunate, and that’s what happened to Vitali Klitschko when he was ahead on ALL CARDS in the only 2 fights he lost.. If the Lewis fight went to the scorecards, which it should have, he wins that fight by technical UD

Lewis’s defense let him down twice, and he got hammered. That’s not a real good excuse for losing.

Wladimir was stopped twice legitimately. NO excuse … and Vitali beat both of those guys up and stopped them.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:20 pm 


Dazani

Anonymous

Why do I have to keep repeating myself? I’ve already explained this to you and I’m sorry but I’m not going to do it again. I explained why the Briggs Vitali fought was able to withstand more punishment than the on e who fought Lewis and I’ve also explained my stance on why drug abuse was absolutely rampant over in the US during the 90′s when PED testing was non-existent.
Posted March 25, 2014 3:15 pm

It doesn’t matter. Briggs was Younger, Healthier, and overall better Mentally, Physically, and Technically against Lewis. This isn’t even up for debate.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:19 pm 


Dazani

Tomato Can Stan

Bradley, he seems to have an excuse for every win or loss. He cannot seem to grasp the concept that sometimes one fighter is the better man.

Somebody put poison in Lewis’s Gatorade, the Louis/ Marciano fight was a mob contract, Holmes had nails in his gloves against Ali……aliens came down and possessed Briggs before his fight…..blah blah, etc.
Posted March 25, 2014 3:13 pm

I’m not sure it would be healthy for an active fighter to think another man is better. Conjuring up a “reason” or an “excuse” is more sensible to keep moving forward in this game when you are active.

Louis/Marciano wasn’t fixed, Louis was just Old.

Ali was past his prime.

Briggs may have been possessed by Aliens. I have no proof either way.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:17 pm 


Bradley

@Dazani Right. Vitali was ready to fight against Byrd and Lennox Lewis, Wladimir the same against Puritty, Sanders etc, …and LL was ready against Vitali. That’s exactly what I mean.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:17 pm 


Anonymous

Why do I have to keep repeating myself? I’ve already explained this to you and I’m sorry but I’m not going to do it again. I explained why the Briggs Vitali fought was able to withstand more punishment than the on e who fought Lewis and I’ve also explained my stance on why drug abuse was absolutely rampant over in the US during the 90’s when PED testing was non-existent.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:15 pm 


Dazani

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Vitali gave Briggs a SEVERE beating, as he was rushed to a hospital directly after the fight. SB was initially treated in intensive care and was found to have suffered a left orbital fracture and a broken nose. In addition, he had another facial fracture above his right eye and a busted ear drum. SB was not released from the hospital for weeks.

So, SB can praise LL all he wants while talking cheap trash about how he coulda, woulda, shoulda KO’d VK. But the plain and simple truth is that VK broke bones in his face, hurt him real bad, and put him in intensive care. LL was darn near KO’d by SB, and didn’t come anywhere close to hurting him as bad as VK did.
Posted March 25, 2014 3:12 pm

How old was Briggs when Vitali fought him?

How old was Briggs when Lewis fought him?

End/

Posted March 25, 2014 3:14 pm 


soda popinski

if paqiou has benefited from a banned substance hes surely not the only one.how about roid jones.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:14 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

Bradley, he seems to have an excuse for every win or loss. He cannot seem to grasp the concept that sometimes one fighter is the better man.

Somebody put poison in Lewis’s Gatorade, the Louis/ Marciano fight was a mob contract, Holmes had nails in his gloves against Ali……aliens came down and possessed Briggs before his fight…..blah blah, etc.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:13 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Vitali gave Briggs a SEVERE beating, as he was rushed to a hospital directly after the fight. SB was initially treated in intensive care and was found to have suffered a left orbital fracture and a broken nose. In addition, he had another facial fracture above his right eye and a busted ear drum. SB was not released from the hospital for weeks.

So, SB can praise LL all he wants while talking cheap trash about how he coulda, woulda, shoulda KO’d VK. But the plain and simple truth is that VK broke bones in his face, hurt him real bad, and put him in intensive care. LL was darn near KO’d by SB, and didn’t come anywhere close to hurting him as bad as VK did.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:12 pm 


Dazani

Bradley

@Dazani It’s easy to say ‘Lewis just mentally cashed in after Tyson’. That can look like you trying to make an excuse for Lewis’ relatively poor showing against Vitali…if LL gets in the ring, he’s ready to fight.
Posted March 25, 2014 3:08 pm

I’m basing it off of what he said right after as well as other fighters talking about mentally peaking and then falling off after they achieved their goal.

It all starts from the TOP.

NOW, if you are saying “”If LL gets in the ring, he’s ready to fight”…then that means Vitali was prepared against Chris Byrd. Wlad was prepared against Purrity, Sanders and Brewster, right?

Posted March 25, 2014 3:12 pm 


Dazani

Anonymous

Again, the Briggs that Vitali fought was nearly 40 lbs of solid muscle heavier and thicker set in key areas than the one Lewis fought, thus enabling him to withstand more punishment. This along with Vitali’s reluctance to load up on his power quite so much since returning from injury is why he was able to withstand more punishment.
Posted March 25, 2014 3:06 pm

Again, to much weight can decrease one’s ability in fighting. You can become less limber, have less stamina, which all means you are not able to move as well and throw as much which means…you are not as good. Add in his age and years of wear and tear and you do not have a better fighter simply because he is heavier.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:10 pm 


Bradley

@Dazani It’s easy to say ‘Lewis just mentally cashed in after Tyson’. That can look like you trying to make an excuse for Lewis’ relatively poor showing against Vitali…if LL gets in the ring, he’s ready to fight.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:08 pm 


Dazani

Anonymous

I know steroid use is a world wide problem and still is. That’s not were discussing here though. We’re talking about the sport of boxing during the 90′s era and the fighters who fought in it, most of whom were American and fought in America where drug testing was non-existent.
Posted March 25, 2014 3:01 pm

If drug testing was non-existent in the 90’s then that means everyone in the World could have been using as well.

Lewis fought and trained in the USA, does that mean he was using?
He did get bigger. And he looked in great shape for a man his size.

How about Wlad who trains in the USA was well and had the same trainer as Lewis.
He too gained weight, adds weight for fights specifically, and even at 37, looks tremendous for a man his size. Does that mean he is using?

It’s not an American thing, it’s a World/Athlete thing.

Bruno, Ibeabuchi, Tua, are some of the non-American HWs during that era.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:07 pm 


Anonymous

Again, the Briggs that Vitali fought was nearly 40 lbs of solid muscle heavier and thicker set in key areas than the one Lewis fought, thus enabling him to withstand more punishment. This along with Vitali’s reluctance to load up on his power quite so much since returning from injury is why he was able to withstand more punishment.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:06 pm 


Anonymous

I know steroid use is a world wide problem and still is. That’s not were discussing here though. We’re talking about the sport of boxing during the 90’s era and the fighters who fought in it, most of whom were American and fought in America where drug testing was non-existent.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:01 pm 


Dazani

Anonymous

I’ll repeat again. The Briggs that Vitali fought was 262 lbs of artificially enhanced muscle with the shock absorber neck and shoulders of a rhino, Lewis fought a much lighter Briggs albeit younger. Briggs has always used his asthma as an excuse for his loses or poor performances.
Posted March 25, 2014 2:53 pm

Briggs was in the prime of his career and at a great fighting weight to fight back mentally and physically. He was at his mental peak and athletic best. Also throw in technical able to fight because he wasn’t old, muscle bound, and so damn asthmatic.

Briggs can’t fight at 40+ years old and at such a weight.

Posted March 25, 2014 3:00 pm 


Dazani

Anonymous

Drug testing might be more advanced now, but like I’ve already explained it’s common knowledge that drug use over in the US back then was ridiculously rampant and fighters were given free licence to take abuse to extreme limits due to the non-existent testing procedure.
Posted March 25, 2014 2:56 pm

Steroids use was world wide and still is. And Europe has some advanced medicine procedures that has US athletes going overseas for which is sad because politics has now gotten in the way of advancement.

Posted March 25, 2014 2:58 pm 


Dazani

Bradley

@Dazani Lewis was KO’d twice with one punch, by McCall and Rahman.Lewis couldn’t stop a past his prime blown up cruiserweight in Holyfield in two fights. Lewis beat a shot Tyson who was only sticking around for a payday. Lewis was losing on all cards to Vitali. Lewis never faced a southpaw. See how easy it to pick holes in anyone’s record?
Posted March 25, 2014 2:55 pm

And?

I’m all for your post. I’ve said the same in debates to make points.

Posted March 25, 2014 2:56 pm 


Anonymous

Drug testing might be more advanced now, but like I’ve already explained it’s common knowledge that drug use over in the US back then was ridiculously rampant and fighters were given free licence to take abuse to extreme limits due to the non-existent testing procedure.

Posted March 25, 2014 2:56 pm 


Dazani

I’m not sure what to believe. If you look at the current HW division, there are only a select few that really look in great shape. Now given, PEDs don’t necessary make you look in great shape…as we’ve seen with James Toney…but they can boost strength, endurance, muscle mass, etc. and its up to you to get your diet in order and trainer hard.

Posted March 25, 2014 2:55 pm 


Bradley

@Dazani Lewis was KO’d twice with one punch, by McCall and Rahman.Lewis couldn’t stop a past his prime blown up cruiserweight in Holyfield in two fights. Lewis beat a shot Tyson who was only sticking around for a payday. Lewis was losing on all cards to Vitali. Lewis never faced a southpaw. See how easy it to pick holes in anyone’s record?

Posted March 25, 2014 2:55 pm 


Anonymous

I’ll repeat again. The Briggs that Vitali fought was 262 lbs of artificially enhanced muscle with the shock absorber neck and shoulders of a rhino, Lewis fought a much lighter Briggs albeit younger. Briggs has always used his asthma as an excuse for his loses or poor performances.

Posted March 25, 2014 2:53 pm 


Dazani

Anonymous

Yes I’m aware that cheating is part and parcel of sport. However, as I already elaborated upon, drug testing in the US back then was non-existent and it’s common knowledge among those involved in the business that PED abuse was absolutely rampant during that era.
Posted March 25, 2014 2:48 pm

And the argument back would be that there is still rampant use except in this era, it is more advanced. Many even say that you can’t compete in today’s era without using which is sad to think really.

Posted March 25, 2014 2:52 pm 


Anonymous

“whom says”

Hahahaha what the F was that?? Hahahaha

Posted March 25, 2014 2:49 pm 


Anonymous

Yes I’m aware that cheating is part and parcel of sport. However, as I already elaborated upon, drug testing in the US back then was non-existent and it’s common knowledge among those involved in the business that PED abuse was absolutely rampant during that era.

Posted March 25, 2014 2:48 pm 


Dazani

Anonymous

Vitali didn’t take Briggs out like Lewis did because Vitali was facing a 262 lb artificially enhanced Briggs, whereas Lewis fought a 228 lb Briggs. Lewis is a bigger one punch hitter than Vital as well. Even more so since Vital came back from his injury induced near four year retirement and has had to sacrifice power.
Posted March 25, 2014 2:45 pm

Which means, besides being much older and having more wear and tear over the years, Briggs was out of shape at 262 because you will breath harder at such a weight, especially a fighter that has said he has asthma. He can barely talk without going into an asthmatic attack.

Posted March 25, 2014 2:48 pm 


PEEJ

Funny but I just seen an interview with Briggs whom says he only had one arm in the Vitali fight and if he had both that he would of knocked him out. Gave praise to Lennox saying he almost had him out but couldn’t finish him.

Posted March 25, 2014 2:46 pm 


Anonymous

Vitali didn’t take Briggs out like Lewis did because Vitali was facing a 262 lb artificially enhanced Briggs, whereas Lewis fought a 228 lb Briggs. Lewis is a bigger one punch hitter than Vital as well. Even more so since Vital came back from his injury induced near four year retirement and has had to sacrifice power.

Posted March 25, 2014 2:45 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

Dazani – As a matter of fact, Mercer gave Lewis hell and pushed him to the limit.

Louis decided to make an ill-advised comeback because he was broke due to a thieving IRS. That’s not Marciano’s fault. They were two different eras. But Louis did say Schmeling broke him down over a sustained accumulation, whereas Marciano only took two shots.

Due to Holmes wicked jab, I still think he would of given Ali fits in his prime.

Lewis and Tyson did spar as teens under D’Amato’s watchful eye, and from what I understand, Lewis had the edge.

Posted March 25, 2014 2:43 pm 


Dazani

Anonymous

The 90′s era was absolutely choc-a-block full of steroid freaks. Drug testing was virtually non-existent over in the US all throughout that period and most of those American so called greats and fighters from that era were juiced out of their minds on copious amounts of illegal PEDs. Holyfield was clearly one of them.
Posted March 25, 2014 2:38 pm

And its been shown that athletes are always willing to cheat and are continually finding ways to stay ahead of the drug testers, so…that is why even today’s athletes will continue to be under suspicion.

Posted March 25, 2014 2:43 pm 


Anonymous

Wladimir was obviously drugged in the first Brewster fight. Tons of late money came in on Brewster who was a 7-1 underdog… So much money that it massively changed the odds and millions were won on Brewster.

Wladimir completely dominated the fight until the 5th when he suddenly faltered. He was unresponsive for hours and his blood tests vanished from the hospital records.

Posted March 25, 2014 2:43 pm 


Anonymous

The 90’s era was absolutely choc-a-block full of steroid freaks. Drug testing was virtually non-existent over in the US all throughout that period and most of those American so called greats and fighters from that era were juiced out of their minds on copious amounts of illegal PEDs. Holyfield was clearly one of them.

Posted March 25, 2014 2:38 pm 


Dazani

Tomato Can Stan

Dazani – I’m merely quoting Briggs who has been in with all three men, and you have not, from your armchair perch, therefore I think Briggs would be in a better position to judge
Posted March 25, 2014 2:32 pm

And I’m simply stating a fact that Briggs is Mentally, Physically, and Technically no longer the Fighter/Man he once was.

How come Vitali didn’t take him out like Lewis did despite Briggs being way past his prime?

Posted March 25, 2014 2:36 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

Dazani – I’m merely quoting Briggs who has been in with all three men, and you have not, from your armchair perch, therefore I think Briggs would be in a better position to judge

Posted March 25, 2014 2:32 pm 


Dazani

eric

Vladimir klitschko was out of shape mentally and physically when he fought brewster and lost because he gased out , people make arguments that lewis was out of shape when he fought vitili and it gets excepted on a large scale so why cant wlad… be out of shape in a fight aswell ?
Hate that’s the on
Y reason, look at wlad…. in that fight before the opening bell he looked like he didn’t even want to be there. Nobody is on top of their game every fight .
Posted March 25, 2014 2:23 pm

Wlad is never out of shape. He is one of the most professional fighters we’ve have.

Lewis just mentally cashed in after Tyson. His whole motivation was to stick around for Tyson. Tyson was the mountain top. Just like Foreman talked about Frazier was ready to be taken after Ali. And many more like this as examples of “completion” leads you downhill.

Now if Wlad was mentally not motivated, I don’t know. I would have to review interviews with him and others before, during, and after the fight.

It’s usually down to him fighting the wrong fight mixed in with Brewster’s ability to absorb punishment and dish out his own.

Posted March 25, 2014 2:32 pm 


Dazani

Next thing you are going to tell me is that Mercer was still the same against Wlad as he was with Lewis. Joe Louis was still top quality against Marciano. Tyson was still good against Lewis. Ali was still good against Holmes. etc. etc. etc.

Posted March 25, 2014 2:28 pm 


Dazani

Tomato Can Stan

Dazani – “I don’t know about that given Lewis fought a Prime Briggs and took him out in 5 by a beat down”. You forgot to mention that Briggs almost floored Lewis and put him away, where he never came close with Klitschko, and that Klitschko put him in the hospital.
Posted March 25, 2014 2:21 pm

Again, a PRIME Briggs fought Lewis who was good. A Past Prime, out of shape, way over weight muscle bound Briggs whose asthma was made worse because of it, fought Vitali.

Briggs was taken out in 5 because Lewis went to War.

Posted March 25, 2014 2:27 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

Dazani – “I don’t know about that given Lewis fought a Prime Briggs and took him out in 5 by a beat down”. You forgot to mention that Briggs almost floored Lewis and put him away, where he never came close with Klitschko, and that Klitschko put him in the hospital.

Posted March 25, 2014 2:21 pm 


GaryintheBronx

I love boxing but I just attempted to watch the Leapai vs. Boytsov fight and fell asleep three times. It was horrendous, horrible, a complete disaster. Leapai has a right uppercut but that’s it….that’s all he has developed. By the end of round 3 the guy was huffing for air and had to be instructed by his corner how to inhale air?

Posted March 25, 2014 2:15 pm 


Dazani

Wladimir the Wise

@TomatoCanStan Greetings, wise and valued judge of the Sweet Science! Briggs indeed spoke deep sense on that occasion. :)
Posted March 25, 2014 2:06 pm

I don’t know about that given Lewis fought a Prime Briggs and took him out in 5 by a beat down.

Posted March 25, 2014 2:12 pm 


Dazani

PEEJ

People who post punch stats to prove an argument no nothing about the boxing. Punch stats mean squat.
Posted March 25, 2014 2:06 pm

Effective punching per round means more. How much damage you do, your ability to halt someone’s attack and control, and so on.

Posted March 25, 2014 2:09 pm 


Wladimir the Wise

@TomatoCanStan Greetings, wise and valued judge of the Sweet Science! Briggs indeed spoke deep sense on that occasion. :)

Posted March 25, 2014 2:06 pm 


PEEJ

People who post punch stats to prove an argument no nothing about the boxing. Punch stats mean squat.

Posted March 25, 2014 2:06 pm 


Dazani

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

“So taking Brewster’s condition out of the fight II against Wlad,
can anybody tell me what he did differently this time around?”

He……..simply got hammered by a more mature, better- trained version of Wlad who was displaying new technical skills and vast improvement under the tutelage of the great Steward.
Posted March 25, 2014 1:57 pm

He controlled the center of the ring much better. That’s the first thing. He also protected his body in close better. He didn’t move around as much or he didn’t waste unnecessary energy. and so on.

Posted March 25, 2014 2:04 pm 


Dazani

Tomato Can Stan

Wladimir – He is no doubt a great champ but I think his brother is mentally tougher.

Briggs said Vitali was better than either Foreman or Lewis.
Posted March 25, 2014 1:58 pm

I think they are both mentally tough. Vitali just might be meant for fighting more so than Wlad. That’s “FIGHTING.”

Let’s remember…Wlad has never quit. Wlad has gotten up each time even when he was out on his feet. Wlad has come back each time he lost by KO and won titles. Wlad bounces back from his defeats. People need to give him massive credit for that because most fall apart. So how is that being mentally weak in that regard?
He may be a bit anxiety ridden during fights though.

Posted March 25, 2014 2:01 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

Wladimir – He is no doubt a great champ but I think his brother is mentally tougher.

Briggs said Vitali was better than either Foreman or Lewis.

Posted March 25, 2014 1:58 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

“So taking Brewster’s condition out of the fight II against Wlad,
can anybody tell me what he did differently this time around?”

He……..simply got hammered by a more mature, better- trained version of Wlad who was displaying new technical skills and vast improvement under the tutelage of the great Steward.

Posted March 25, 2014 1:57 pm 


Wladimir the Wise

My friends, Wladimir Klitschko is, without doubt, ONE OF THE GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS OF ALL TIME. It is clear to see, for ALL ASTUTE and KNOWLEDGABLE JUDGES of the sport’s history. With a magnificent record of 61-3, long distingiushed reigns as WBA, SUPER WBA, IBF, WBO, IBO CHAMPION and ownership of the HIGHLY REGARDED RING MAGAZINE BELT, WLADIMIR is a shoo-in for the BOXING HALL OF FAME as a LEGENDARY HEAVYWEIGHT RULER and is A NAME WHO WILL LIVE LONG IN THE MEMORY. Here’s a partial list of just some of his beaten and vanquished opponents: Axel Schulz, David Bostice, Monte Barrett, Chris Byrd x 2, Derrick Jefferson, Charles Shufford, Frans Botha, Ray Mercer, Jameel McCline, Davarryl Williamson, Samuel Peter x 2, Calvin Brock, Ray Austin, Lamon Brewster, Sultan Ibragimov, Tony Thompson x 2, Hasim Rahman, Ruslan Chagaev, Eddie Chambers, David Haye, Jean Marc Mormeck, Mariusz Wach, Francesco Pianeta and Alexander Povetkin…I’m sure EVERYONE will agree that is a list FULL OF DANGEROUS and WELL-QUALIFIED HIGHLY -TRAINED WORLD CLASS fighting men…My friends, from a young age, Mr Wladimir Klitschko was DESTINED for STARDOM. Wladimir won OLYMPIC SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT GOLD as a 20 year old in 1996. Right there, we knew we were seeing an All Time Great right before our very eyes. Alongside his elder brother Vitali, both Ukrainian siblings rose to first DOMINATE the Highly Competitive European Heavyweight scene and THEN BECOME WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT KINGS AND GLOBAL WORLDWIDE, UNIVERSALLY RECOGNIZED ICONS who CHANGED the FACE of HEAVYWEIGHT BOXING. Wladimir fears NO MAN, NO BOXER. Why should he? At 6’6″ and an ATHLETIC 245lbs approximately, he is A LEAN, MEAN FIGHTING MACHINE, the likes of which we have RARELY seen in the Heavyweight Division before. There are only A HANDFUL OF MEN throughout HW history that one could actually contemplate competing on an even footing with A PRIME WLAD. My friends, WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO, Dr Steelhammer, ‘The Fighting Lion of Kiev, Ukraine’ has LONG been THE DOMINANT HEAVYWEIGHT IN THE WORLD. HE TRULY IS A FIGHTER FOR THE AGES, A LEGENDARY BOXER AND A GLOBAL HERO. My friends, comrades and people, WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO, is quite simply, THE BEST.

Posted March 25, 2014 1:51 pm 


Dazani

So taking Brewster’s condition out of the fight II against Wlad, can anybody tell me what he did differently this time around?

He………….

Posted March 25, 2014 1:48 pm 


Dazani

The two fights made me rethink how a Lewis vs. Holyfield fight would have played out Prime vs. Prime. Or at least what we missed. Lewis/Mercer….Holyfield/Bowe….interesting looks at going to war. We missed the boat on Tyson/Holyfield too. That fight was sad to watch. Never watch them both at their peaks and then try to watch that fight after…it’s horrible.

Posted March 25, 2014 1:47 pm 


Dazani

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Dazani: I fully agree with you that Holy lost the first fight to LL. But I have to disagree that the second fight was controversial. It was a wide UD and Holy got beat handily by the larger Super HW.

“The punch stats clearly favored Lewis who landed 195 punches to Holyfield’s 137 punches. This time around the 3 Judges scored the fight unanimously in favor of Lewis who became undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World.”

BTW… my last post was directed at PEEJ, not at you.
Posted March 25, 2014 1:30 pm

The second fight was closer. He wasn’t beaten convincingly.

The second fight was looked at as the “make-up” fight going into it.

Posted March 25, 2014 1:44 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

“ ‘Wlad had not yet reached his prime’ – Nor did he know quite how to pace himself yet.” Both are true statements, Tomato Can. And if Steward were still alive, he’d say the exact same thing.

Posted March 25, 2014 1:43 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Dazani: I fully agree with you that Holy lost the first fight to LL. But I have to disagree that the second fight was controversial. It was a wide UD and Holy got beat handily by the larger Super HW.

“The punch stats clearly favored Lewis who landed 195 punches to Holyfield’s 137 punches. This time around the 3 Judges scored the fight unanimously in favor of Lewis who became undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World.”

BTW… my last post was directed at PEEJ, not at you.

Posted March 25, 2014 1:30 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

“Wlad had not yet reached his prime” – Nor did he know quite how to pace himself yet.

Posted March 25, 2014 1:22 pm 


Dazani

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

You obviously don’t know sh*t, son. Wlad had not yet reached his prime when he fought Brewster. Evidenced by when he fought him a second time, he pounded him senseless and forced him to quit on the stool. The proof is in the pudding. I never called Brewster a class-D fighter. Where did you you come up with that crazy idea?
Posted March 25, 2014 1:19 pm

Not sure who you are talking to but I’ll answer it:

One could easily argue that Brewster was no longer the same fighter given his condition which allowed Wlad to have the advantage this time around.

Of course, Wlad did fight this fight differently. Do you know what he did and did not do this time around?

Posted March 25, 2014 1:21 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

“This is actually true. 90′s era was better than Dempsey” – Dempsey, Tunney, Greb and Firpo. If those four men all fought each other it could of been a great era, but sadly they did not. I still think the 1970’s and 1990’s produced the most colorful fighters and the best competition.

Posted March 25, 2014 1:21 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

You obviously don’t know sh*t, son. Wlad had not yet reached his prime when he fought Brewster. Evidenced by when he fought him a second time, he pounded him senseless and forced him to quit on the stool. The proof is in the pudding. I never called Brewster a class-D fighter. Where did you you come up with that crazy idea?

Posted March 25, 2014 1:19 pm 


PEEJ

Exactly. I can’t even remember the fights I just remember that one was a draw. But Holyfield would of still taken it to Wlad. A prime one would of cause he could actually take punishment and dish out punishment.

Posted March 25, 2014 1:19 pm 


Dazani

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

And sorry to break it to you guys, but Holyfield lost to Lewis twice. The first fight was judged as a Draw, which was a highly controversial decision at the time because Lewis clearly dominated and won the fight. So yeah, Holy should have 11 losses on his record.
Posted March 25, 2014 1:13 pm

First fight Holyfield lost, however, the second fight was talked about as controversial as well. the fights were boring anyway. I only watched them once. Tried to watch them both again but I found it a waste.

Posted March 25, 2014 1:18 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

And sorry to break it to you guys, but Holyfield lost to Lewis twice. The first fight was judged as a Draw, which was a highly controversial decision at the time because Lewis clearly dominated and won the fight. So yeah, Holy should have 11 losses on his record.

Posted March 25, 2014 1:13 pm 


Dazani

wes

it was not politics why bowe didn’t fight lewis he was just plain scare.his three title defences were against dokes and ferguson AND THE WBO VERSION WAS AGAINST GONZALEZ. NO WORLD BEATER. HE ONLY HAD THREE GOOD YEAR AND HE WAS DONE. HE WASN’T OLD WHEN HE FOUGHT GOLOTA.
Posted March 25, 2014 1:03 pm

Rock Newman and others. There was an article on it and I think Bowe even discussed it. Bowe actually saw the mistakes Lewis was making during his early years.

everybody ages different in life do to genetics, environment, and lifestyle…you do know that, right?

Now, add in him being an athlete where it can be sped up based on all the above mentioned and Who You Fight. One brutal fight, and that can be your downfall.

Posted March 25, 2014 1:12 pm 


PEEJ

You obviously don’t know crap. Lets see if Brewster was able to get rid of Wlad then yes most definitely Holyfield could. First off he had a better chin than Brewster and basically he was just a better all around fighter than Brewster. Not to mention and old Holyfield gave Lewis fits and possibly should of won their first fight. You are the one calling Brewster a D fighter. Brewster is a C fighter at best which basically makes him a gatekeeper.

Posted March 25, 2014 1:09 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

You said that Peter was a C level fighter at best, which means you really think he’s more like a D+ fighter. That tells me you’re either full of sh*t or don’t know sh*t. Which one is it?

And if you really believe that the 6’2″ 215lbs blown-up CW Holyfield — with his 10 losses, 2 draws and 50% KO ratio — would’ve beat the K-Bros, I don’t know what to do for you. Because you’re out of touch with reality and beyond help.

Posted March 25, 2014 1:03 pm 


wes

it was not politics why bowe didn’t fight lewis he was just plain scare.his three title defences were against dokes and ferguson AND THE WBO VERSION WAS AGAINST GONZALEZ. NO WORLD BEATER. HE ONLY HAD THREE GOOD YEAR AND HE WAS DONE. HE WASN’T OLD WHEN HE FOUGHT GOLOTA.

Posted March 25, 2014 1:03 pm 


Dazani

Did you see Lewis vs. Holyfield, both fights?

How come Lewis couldn’t do to a past prime Holyfield what Bowe did to him and he fought a PEAK version of Holyfield.

When two Peak fighters fight each other like Bowe and Holyfield did, and go to war, one or both of them aren’t going to be right afterwards.

Posted March 25, 2014 12:57 pm 


Dazani

wes

and golota is no wladimir klitschko. take a look at the great bowe resume. the only great fighter that i remember bowe beatin was holyfield. and that was two out of three. bowe was do confident that he didn’t want to fight tyson or lewis.he threw away his wbc belt in the garbage can than rather to face lewis. when bowe had the belt he only defended it 3 times and were against tomato cans. i don’t understand why people think bowe was so great.
Posted March 25, 2014 12:46 pm

OK, so we are going overall since Bowe was not the same fighter by that point. The Holyfield fights took a lot out of Bowe as well as his lazy attitude towards the fight game after he won the title. If you are not in shape, you are pretty much done as a fighter.

The Lewis thing was Politics more so than anything.

Watch Bowe fight. That’s why people thought of him so highly.

Name me another Super-HW that can fight the way he did today other than the Klitshcko Brothers? NONE.

Posted March 25, 2014 12:54 pm 


wes

and golota is no wladimir klitschko. take a look at the great bowe resume. the only great fighter that i remember bowe beatin was holyfield. and that was two out of three. bowe was do confident that he didn’t want to fight tyson or lewis.he threw away his wbc belt in the garbage can than rather to face lewis. when bowe had the belt he only defended it 3 times and were against tomato cans. i don’t understand why people think bowe was so great.

Posted March 25, 2014 12:46 pm 


Dazani

wes

let say you’re right that this era is not as good as the 90′s. you can say the same thing that the dempsey,louis and marciano era wasn’t as good as the 90′s. so what does that mean.
Posted March 25, 2014 12:25 pm

This is actually true. 90’s era was better than Dempsey’s, Louis, and Marciano’s era.

It means its best to judge a person by his era as far as legacy but if we are doing “fantasy fights” we all need to be honest of what was what.

Posted March 25, 2014 12:41 pm 


PEEJ

I was about to say the same thing

Posted March 25, 2014 12:40 pm 


Dazani

wes

what would be the best version of Wlad?

Can you Give me a fight or fights or years

Posted March 25, 2014 12:39 pm 


third world

proofreading. learn it,love it,embrace it. am i writing too fast? i hope this samoan kid finishes klitshko. how boring.

Posted March 25, 2014 12:35 pm 


PEEJ

Still doesn’t change the fact that Peters is a C level fighter.

Posted March 25, 2014 12:31 pm 


wes

let say you’re right that this era is not as good as the 90’s. you can say the same thing that the dempsey,louis and marciano era wasn’t as good as the 90’s. so what does that mean.

Posted March 25, 2014 12:25 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

There were an overabundance of HW bums, cans and average fighters throughout the 70′s, 80′s and 90′s. There were only a small number of truly elite HWs from those three decades (probably less than 12). So when I said, “Peter would’ve beat most HWs from the 70s, 80s and 90s,” I was right on the money. Hit that nail square on the head!

Posted March 25, 2014 12:11 pm 


PEEJ

I am not discrediting the Klitchkos at all. They are great fighters but they are in a weak era. If they had a prime Holyfield then Wlad would of definitely been beaten. Only Vitali would of been able to handle a prime Holyfield or a Bowe and they would probably split fights.

Posted March 25, 2014 12:06 pm 


PEEJ

Yes C class fighters can win a title belt. They are just titles. Just like on a given night a C class fighter could win the championship. But he won’t hold on to it for more than a fight.

Posted March 25, 2014 12:04 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

“Sam Peter easily stopped Maskaev” – Not before being badly rocked

Posted March 25, 2014 11:51 am 


Tomato Can Stan

“Rahman flattened Lewis” – And Lewis nearly decapitated Rahman in the rematch with a vicious one-two. Lewis was clearly a greater fighter than Rahman. Lewis slacked off during that fight, was unfocused do to filming in Ocean’s Eleven and was not acclimated to the atmosphere in South Africa at the time. You saw what a focused Lewis did to Rahman.

Posted March 25, 2014 11:50 am 


D

Sam Peter easily stopped Maskaev, the guy who knocked Hasim Rahman out twice. Rahman flattened Lewis. Peter was the top ranking heavyweight and undefeated when he met Wladimir. He would probably beat Leapai.

Peter beat Toney but he was never a skilled boxer. Chambers outboxed him similar to the way Young finessed Foreman.

Posted March 25, 2014 11:44 am 


wes

seen peej has a hard on for the klitschko brothers. he will say anything to discredit them.

Posted March 25, 2014 11:43 am 


wes

seem some people forget that peter was the wbc champion. do c class fighters win the wbc belt.

Posted March 25, 2014 11:42 am 


Dazani

PEEJ

Sam Peter would of been beaten by most heavies of the 70′s, 80′s and 90′s. Sorry but Peters is a C level fighter. Who is on his record that would be considered elite or A level? Heck who has he beaten to even make you think he could compete with the comp back in the day? Nobody. So stop with that. Peters is a C level fighter.
Posted March 25, 2014 10:52 am

On the flip side, if Sam had access to the trainers and sparring of the above eras, wouldn’t he have had a chance to have been even better?

Same was decent fighter and still dangerous. He was no Ike Ibeabuchi who had skills to go along with that freakish body and ability…but Sam was still dangerous.

Posted March 25, 2014 11:39 am 


Brazilian Boxing Fan

Today is Wladimir Klitschko´s 38th birthday. Happy birthday, Champ! :)

Posted March 25, 2014 11:35 am 


moonshineman

What?.

Posted March 25, 2014 11:31 am 


Xavier

PEEJ, yeah, where I do agree with you is : Toney probably did enough to win the first one against Peter, but Sam clearly won the second one.

Posted March 25, 2014 11:30 am 


Xavier

Hey, Squared-Circle, no problem! Sam Peter did lack some finesse, but from around 2005-08, let’s say, he was a very solid opponent and a good win on anyone’s record.

Posted March 25, 2014 11:26 am 


PEEJ

I know exactly what I am talking about. Everybody he KOd was really a nobody. He should of actually taken an L in the first Toney fight. And yes he clearly beat an even older Toney in the rematch. Sorry but he would of been beaten badly by fighters in the 70’s, 80’s or 90’s.

Posted March 25, 2014 11:20 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Thank you, Xavier! It refreshing to read fact-based posts from boxing fans who actually know what they’re talking about. Class-C HWs don’t fight for world championships and win the WBC Title. C level my @$$.

Posted March 25, 2014 11:11 am 


Xavier

Late 2005, and Sam Peter aka ‘The Nigerian Nightmare’ was the toughest, strongest biggest-punching man out of Africa at the time, and a former Olympian. He had scored some devastating KO’s. The media networks were bigging him up as unbeaten and the next HW Champion before the Wladimir Klitschko showdown in late 2005. That was a make or break match for Wlad who had suffered crushing defeats and looked unconvincing in wins around 2003-04. WK had some dicey moments in that first Peter fight before finally coming out on top. Victory against Sam Peter was certainly NOT a foregone conclusion for Wladimir at the time. In fact, many pundits expected Samuel to KO Wlad in a brutal manner and end his career. Sam then regrouped, beat James Toney twice, beat McCline and then stopped Oleg Maskaev to win the WBC title. Vitali then brutalized Sam in his comeback fight. Wlad later beat him again.The best Sam Peter was taken out by the Klitschkos who had height and reach advantages on him, but I believe Sam Peter probably would beat many of the HW’s from the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s, like Squared-Circle says…

Posted March 25, 2014 11:00 am 


PEEJ

Sam Peter would of been beaten by most heavies of the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s. Sorry but Peters is a C level fighter. Who is on his record that would be considered elite or A level? Heck who has he beaten to even make you think he could compete with the comp back in the day? Nobody. So stop with that. Peters is a C level fighter.

Posted March 25, 2014 10:52 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Sam Peter would’ve beat most HWs from the 70s, 80s, and 90s.
He was certainly not a class-C fighter. It’s absolutely absurd to say that. But hey…anything to downplay the greatness of the Klitschkos, right?

Posted March 25, 2014 10:22 am 


Hidalg0

“kevin deserves credit for beating leapai. not to be called a tomato can. ”

Re-read my post, redz. I said with the exception of Johnson and Boystov, Leapai has fought tomato cans.

Posted March 25, 2014 10:05 am 


PEEJ

That may be true but it just shows that Wlad had it and Peter didn’t. Like I said Peter was not very good.

Posted March 25, 2014 9:53 am 


Tomato Can Stan

Peej – Peter was very dangerous, scary and undefeated at the time, and after coming of psychologically devastating losses, I give Wlad credit for facing his demons by taking on a monstrous puncher. That fight was make or break for Wlad. If he lost to Peter, Wlad would of faded into oblivion.

Posted March 25, 2014 9:44 am 


PEEJ

Peter was never that good. All you needed was a decent jab and a sturdy chin to beat him. Peter was a C level fighter at best.

Posted March 25, 2014 9:39 am 


Tomato Can Stan

I give Wlad credit for taking on big punchers after the Sanders/Brewster debacles. To face Sam Peter after that was a true test.

The Klitschkos utterly destroyed Peter. With his bull neck he used to take massive shots but since has been KOed by light hitting bums due to the torrid Klitschko machine of punishment. Its a shame because Peter seemed to be coming along in terms of development from raw puncher to some boxing skill, as shown in his bouts with Toney.

Posted March 25, 2014 9:38 am 


redz

the most likely out come will be another victory for wlad but leapai will be still around to terrorize some of these smaller heavys. haha. bring on chisora, jennings, perez etc!

Posted March 25, 2014 9:28 am 


Tomato Can Stan

Hidalgo – Like I said, there’s always a puncher’s chance. Boxing is the theatre of the unexpected. Yeah, he hasn’t been stopped in ten years…..he’s ten years older and maybe a little slower. Joe Louis went ten years before being stopped.

Posted March 25, 2014 9:21 am 


redz

been on the deck six times against club fighters? who was that against mate? i think you just being stupid now!

Posted March 25, 2014 9:18 am 


redz

@hildago
kevin deserves credit for beating leapai. not to be called a tomato can. he acheived something the number 1 boystov couldnt!

Posted March 25, 2014 9:14 am 


Hidalg0

“When you have Leipa’s power and Wlad’s questionable chin, that’s a dangerous combination and leaves room for some excitement.”

Wlad hasn’t been stopped in 10 years. He’ll be very cautious with Leapai’s power. Like I said, jab and/or lean and clinch. Wlad will get the win.

Posted March 25, 2014 9:12 am 


DMX

Leapai has been down on the deck six times against club fighters

Oh dear . . . .

Posted March 25, 2014 9:11 am 


redz

leapai will come in weighing 5 pounds heavier!

Posted March 25, 2014 9:10 am 


redz

@hidalgo
tomato cans? it took pulev 12 rounds to beat travis walker!

Posted March 25, 2014 9:09 am 


Hidalg0

Sorry, my mistake, Leapai will probably weigh close to what Wlad does on fight night.

Posted March 25, 2014 9:08 am 


Hidalg0

Oh, Wlad will outweigh Leapai by 20 pounds as well. BTW, Johnson TKOd Leapai.

Posted March 25, 2014 9:05 am 


Tomato Can Stan

“Either way this matchup is a joke” – When you have Leipa’s power and Wlad’s questionable chin, that’s a dangerous combination and leaves room for some excitement.

Posted March 25, 2014 8:58 am 


Hidalg0

Leapai is half a foot shorter than Wlad and has half a foot less reach than Wlad. Other than Boystov or Johnson, Leapai hasn’t fought or beaten anyone of note. In fact, he’s fought a bunch of tomato cans. Wlad can win this fight with his jab, or he can lean and clinch Alex to death. Either way this matchup is a joke.

Posted March 25, 2014 8:54 am 


redz

i think the place they fighting holds 12000! they not to far away from a full house. there must be interest in this fight.

Posted March 25, 2014 8:53 am 


Tomato Can Stan

“leapais biggest problem is he lacks abit of coordination” – It was Boytsov defensive movement that kept him in the fight; he didn’t stand in front Leipai’s massive shots. Wladimir is much more skilled in this area than Boystov, but Leapai still have a puncher’s chance. I get nervous when Wlad fights heavy hitters, but his confidence has grown enormously since the Sanders Brewster days.

Posted March 25, 2014 8:51 am 


Tomato Can Stan

These Eastern crowds….its like going to a funeral or wake instead of a boxing match.

Posted March 25, 2014 8:48 am 


DMX

7500 Germans would turn up in the Town Square to pay to watch a bloke in leather shorts and white socks dance with a goat ringing bells
They are a funny lot . . .

Posted March 25, 2014 8:44 am 


redz

leapais biggest problem is he lacks abit of coordination sometimes when he punches. but otherwises hes not to bad.

Posted March 25, 2014 8:40 am 


redz

@aj1575

wlad said in an interview there was 7500 tickets sold on the first day. this was before all the talk and hype..

Posted March 25, 2014 8:34 am 


curtley

‘True holding to prevent the infight looks uglier than running away to avoid jabs and straights, but both are legit tactics.’ No they are not, holding is against the rules its just that in Germany with Wlad there are no rules for him!

Posted March 25, 2014 8:32 am 


Tomato Can Stan

I just watched the Boystov Leapai clip. I wasn’t too impressed, very crude technique and raw and not a lot of cleaning punching.. I’ve always believed in boxing that if the puncher cannot KO his opponent, the skilled boxer will always win. Unless Wlad gets that fragile chin checked, his skills should win the day.

Posted March 25, 2014 8:29 am 


DMX

To beat Wlad you need a cast iron chin because he will connect
Quick hand speed
A incredible will to win
And one punch knock out power
Bothe Corey Saunders and Lamont Brewster possessed these if only all of them for that one fight
They both soaked it up and fought the fight of their lives

I do not doubt Leapai’s courage for one moment
I hope his corner protect him if all is lost

Posted March 25, 2014 8:26 am 


aj1575

For the fight, if Leapai comes to fight he will get knocked out (Wlad needs to make him stronger in the interview, since otherwise nobody would be watching). If he comes to survive then he needs to run for 12 rounds.

Posted March 25, 2014 8:17 am 


aj1575

Leapai had his Rocky-Moment against Boystov. I haven’t seen him fight yet, but judging by his resume it is an accomplishment to just stand in the same ring as Wlad. Will we see a lot of holding? It depends on Leapai strategy; if a fighter tries to force the infight, then Wlad will hold. And if the attack is carried out with the head down (to avoid Wlads attacks), the Wlad will hold this head down (to avoid the infight). And if Leapai tries to come inside with his head low down for 12 rounds, than Wlad will holding his head down for 12 rounds. True holding to prevent the infight looks uglier than running away to avoid jabs and straights, but both are legit tactics.

Posted March 25, 2014 8:15 am 


Matador

I love how every armchair coach has a “plan” to beat Wlad — in this case it’s “dont let him lean.” Most time it’s “hit him.” Like that’s easy. The man has 15+ title defenses.

Idiots. They act like they’re giving you an in-depth insight and instead they end up pulling a John Madden.

Posted March 25, 2014 7:52 am 


matthews

Pulev does not have a lot of power. So wlad should be worried about him why.

Posted March 25, 2014 7:51 am 


redz

@

so what does that tell ya? leapai ended walker in 4 rounds! thats telling me pulev doesnt hit very hard!

Posted March 25, 2014 7:50 am 


Matador

Oh, come on Sorby! Wlad has a fight with a lot of holding, and you act like his entire 18-year pro career has been nothing but.

I don’t recall you whining nearly this much when John Ruiz was champ, who actually DID do nothing but hold. Wlad has 50+ knockouts — almost as though he DOES punch every now and then.

Posted March 25, 2014 7:49 am 


rod

disgusting fight.

Posted March 25, 2014 7:46 am 


redz

@dmx
what are u on about bro! i never said anything about it being an exciting fight! what i did see though was boystov was the one who was backing up the majority of the fight. alex was the one always moving forward as the aggressor! but i agree he most proberly wont beat wlad cause of the height and reach difference. ill tell you now, leapai would easily give all the small 6 ft heavys alot of problems!

Posted March 25, 2014 7:45 am 


T-boxing

Aahahahahahaah! Wladimir is a great comedian.

Posted March 25, 2014 7:11 am 


huckster

which fight is for worse to watch leapai-wlad beat down or re-run stiverne-arreola. leapai upset! Stiverne and Arreola should have a eating contest when the fight is over.

Posted March 25, 2014 7:09 am 


skinnysteve

clutchko is planning to lay all over leapai just like he did with povetkin

Posted March 25, 2014 7:08 am 


DMX

Redz
You have to be kidding, Leapai v Boystov was one of the most boring Heavyweight eliminators I have ever witnessed, both guys were gassed and had their tongues hanging out after 5 rounds
They were in terrible condition, wrestling, grappling, throwing a hook and grabbing
Iron jawed Mike Perez and Chisora would both beat him without breaking sweat

Klitschko will put Alex to sleep in 5 of the most one sided rounds you will ever see

A mismatch . . .

Posted March 25, 2014 7:04 am 


huckster

leapai underdog upset . . .

Posted March 25, 2014 7:00 am 


redz

leapai said he sensed boystovs fear during the second round! leapai must hit hard cause boystov was back peddling for most of the fight. wlads a whole different ball game though but leapai aint no bum! id back him to beat chisora, jennings, takam, perez etc!

Posted March 25, 2014 6:29 am 


redz

i remember that travis walker fight! that was funny how that ended! travis couldnt knock leapai out after all the shots he connected with. leapai took it all and then countered. BANG!! hahaha.

Posted March 25, 2014 6:21 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

I expect Wlad to come and prove a point in this fight. I see him landing that jack-hammer jab, almost at will, and bombing Leapai with steel-hammer straight rights and left hooks until he gets dropped or stopped. Wlad by stoppage in the mid-to-late rounds — after toying with Leapai like a cat playing with a mouse before he kills it.

Posted March 25, 2014 6:14 am 


redz

@tark
boystovs another malik scott?. hell no fool! boystovs way better than that. boystovs technicaly a good boxer. maliks crap!

Posted March 25, 2014 6:14 am 


huckster

leapai the humble man? They had Wach trying to play a bad guy. They will probably have Leapai wear a gorilla mask or somethin’.

Posted March 25, 2014 5:31 am 


50/50

No rocky movies here this will be a lamb attacking a lion

Posted March 25, 2014 5:12 am 


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Pulеv coming for.:. Уou cowаrd

Posted March 25, 2014 4:51 am 


coach

The bigger they are the harder they hit

Posted March 25, 2014 4:40 am 


Cheese Cake In New York

The more she enjoys it !!

Posted March 25, 2014 4:27 am 


the voice of reason

leapai will give it everything but he has no chance here. I expect the usual slow and painful beatdown that wlad gives everybody until alex succumbs, probably around 7/8 rounds

Posted March 25, 2014 4:26 am 


DMX

And Jimmy Cliff sang “The Harder they Come”

Posted March 25, 2014 3:59 am 


Mick the Marmalizer

Bob Fitzsimmons stated: “The bigger they are the harder they fall”! Well I see Leapai coming crashing down to earth like a felled oak tree!!!…………..

Posted March 25, 2014 3:48 am 


Boris

>> he’s vowing now to underestimate him
>>> The referee … left Wladimir hold all night long

Author, please do your job properly – read what you’re about to post on ESB. I am tired of stupid mistakes/misprints of yours and other so-called “professionals”! :-(

Posted March 25, 2014 3:21 am 


Cheese Cake In New York

A total mismatch ! Leapai has a swinging chance .

Posted March 25, 2014 2:57 am 


DMX

This fight will show the gulf in class between Pedigree Heavyweight Champions and Somoan forklift drivers
I wish Alex Lepai well he comes across as a humble man
But I fear this will be the most one sided mismatch since Joe Louis fought a succession of outmatched journeymen in his “bum of the month campaign”

Posted March 25, 2014 2:44 am 


huckster

pulev-wlad 2014

Posted March 25, 2014 2:24 am 


TARK

Leapai should fight Shannon Briggs, he’d destroy him and shut him TFU.

But he doesn’t have a prayer against Wladimir… Beating Boytsov is nothing. Boytsov is basically another Malik Scott. Boy wanted to keep that O more than he wanted to make real money. So he’s been cherry-picking for many years … One of his cherry picks finally kicked his butt.

Posted March 25, 2014 2:00 am 


Robert

Leapai is gonna taste the jab then the straight right within the first minute, then we r going to witness a wlad that is out to make a point why he is the champion , a very bad beatdown ending in the seventh with people wondering why the guy was allowed to fight so out of his class!

Posted March 25, 2014 1:33 am 


lman

Im glad Alex is getting a payday, he will go out swinging thats for sure…

Posted March 25, 2014 1:23 am 



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