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BEARS

meant to type boy not biw

i think i remember hearing steward laud and praise hearns but i wondered how much was bias

Posted April 6, 2014 9:26 am 


BEARS

hearns was emanuels stewards biw wasnt he? im gonna have to watch some hearns tape and see what i think about a hypothetical between pac and hearns. pac is fast and agile and my assumption is a lot more fast and agile and throws a lot more punches

Posted April 6, 2014 9:25 am 


Anonymous

TARK, I will find my post, but I believe I wrote in my view I think Hearns will beat Pacquiao in the same fashion he beat DURAN, Cuevas and Shuler. I did not write Hearns will 100% beat him! but in my opinion.
TARK, if you review your posts, it is you who makes statements like they are facts in your view that Pac would smash Hearns because as you wrote he was, “open for the right hand.”

This is my NUMBER ONE bug bear with you TARK, you use one loss to nail someone to the wall and use that to say they could never win, and you state that as FACT.

Please, review your posts and hopefully, you will see what I mean.

Example: HAGLER ducked McCALLUM, Nunn etc because they would have beaten him!

You make the results of hypothetical fights FACT.

Read my posts: I post the FACTS of situations.

FACT: SRR was stopped due to HEAT EXHAUSTION in 103 degree heat at Yankee Stadium. The ref was replaced halfway through the bout, collapsing due to the heat and SRR was well ahead on points when he quit on his stool.

These are all FACTS and not conjecture.
SRR lost to Tiger Jones, but that doesn’t mean he would have lost to higher calibre fighters.
in FACT he went in to reclaim the world MW title again.

These are all FACTS and not hypothetical opinions.

My opinion is not FACT. In my opinion Hearns would beat Pacquiao.

That is all.

Hope that clears that up, TARK.

Posted April 6, 2014 5:48 am 


TARK

Thanks Bears…

@ Anonymous… Cuevas had tons of losses.. Pacquiao KO’d many Cuevas caliber boxers.. Duran was good but very inconsistent above 135… Duran lost to Kirkland Laign and Robbie Sims for instance, but beat Iran Barkley who knocked out China-chinned Hearns.

You can’t extrapolate anything from those fights to say Hearns is a certain winner over Pacman at 147… If you’re that good, just bet on fights and become a billionaire.

Posted April 5, 2014 4:44 pm 


BEARS

i think 3g will brutalize chavez and i like both guys as human beings.

im really looking forward to 3g or kovalev beating ward. i would like to see ward fight them two and adonis.

im really lookin forward to hughie fury vs chambers. been following hughie he is my fav prospect. i think he has the most potential at heavy in the uk even more potential than joshua.

im rooting for froch and im pissed at how he has been treated by his countryman after the groves fight. froch start landing his hurtful f-bombs early even though he was not winningthe rounds. i called the fight a little here on east side. groves was getting hurt. he even seems a little punchy when he talks. i did not feel that the stoopage was terrible the tuy was getting bombed for a long time and hurt. and it was round 4 or 5 i said froch might stop him and that he was hurting groves. he should not have been forced into a rematch. its gonna be another tough fight for froch.

i really like watchin fireworks fighters. offensive fighters like klitschkos, kovalev, adonis, 3g, canelo, pacman, provodnikov, serg martinez, more guys like that are some of my favs frochs a warrior like watching froch

Posted April 5, 2014 12:45 pm 


Anonymous

TYPO. Jr. Wil try to box and set traps for Golovkin. (I hate predictive text).

Posted April 5, 2014 12:32 pm 


Anonymous

BEARS, good to talk to you anyways.
The fights I am looking forward to fingers crossed are:

Santa Cruz vs Frampton.
Santa Cruz is a really good guy. I think he’s 24 and he fights for his brother who has some sort of illness, is an English speaking Mexican, who carries himself with dignity. Actually, he’s very much like Josesito Lopez. He has gone through the weight quite quickly, throws nearly a hundred punches a round, but seems to have lost the KO power he had at the lighter weights.
Frampton, is an all action fighter in a similar vain to his mentor Barry McGuigan, who excited us as kids as he blazed through the Featherweights. Frampton seems to have the momentum and has taken out his last few opponents impressivley.
I think this could be one of the Fights of the Year.

Carl FROCH vs George Groves (rematch)
Here in the UK, it seems people have switched allegiance over to Groves.
This has the potential to be another barnstormer and we have the same scenario as Schmeling and Louis. We have the country split down the middle with half favouring the ageing warrior of yore and the other half getting behind the young, upstart.
I have followed both men throughout their careers including the amateurs and I have a funny feeling that this could mirror the rematch between Eubank and Watson.

I am also looking forward to see Golovkin game on Chavez Jnr
Golovkin has handled everyone with ease so far and it will be interesting to see how he goes about facing Jnr. I wonder if Jr. ever listens to his father and what would Sr. Do with this type of opponent?
I have a feeling that Jr. will try to box and set grass for Golovkin, but this could be a quick beating or a long drawn out death by a thousand cuts. Either way it will be good to see Jr. getting a taste if his own medicine, but would be better if somehow they can match each other over the first half of the fight!

Anyway, three decent fights I definitely will be staying up to watch in 2014.

Posted April 5, 2014 12:30 pm 


Anonymous

BEARS, we also have to take into consideration the ATG fought 15 round fights, they had to weigh in on the morning of their fight and be fighting less than 12 hours later, they didn’t have instant access with a million videos of the other fighters like YouTube on every single fight and sparring session ever made. They often fought four or more times a year and had less opportunities to fight for titles as there were only 2 titles, then 3 up for grabs and we had less divisions available.
I am not entrenched into the old days either, but I look at a couple of issues that have helped some fighters today to be able to GET ON so much easier than before.

Because of no same day weigh-in a fighter can jump up or down the divisions and in effect AVOID a dangerous foe if necessary or campaign in a division he would not have been able to back in the days. Really big guys like Chavez Jr. By some miracle can drop 30 pounds to compete in a division they would not have had a hope of doing so back in the day and miraculously rehydrating back to a healthy weight advantage over their opponents.
I saw this when he used these advantages over Marco Antonio RUBIO. It’s tantamount to cheating in my eyes.
I only wish we could go back to 15 round fights as those extra 3 rounds really separated the men from the boys.
Oh, well. These stipulations won’t ever change so we live with the rules we have.

Posted April 5, 2014 12:15 pm 


BEARS

oh i definetly agree there is always a guy outthere that has your number or your card. i have ALWAYS said that and i firmly believe that. styles make fights dude.

Posted April 5, 2014 12:06 pm 


BEARS

of course great fighters are not defined by their losses and TARK knows that as well as anyone but we can the tape into consideration and evidence when making a case for or against a fighter in a hypothetical matchup. especially, if that fighter lost while he was at his best or his peak. not green or slowed down by age or not the best he would become. it took wlad klitschko a long time and hard work to reach his peak and the guidance and tutelage of emanuel steward

Posted April 5, 2014 12:03 pm 


Anonymous

BEARS, you made a very, very good point in the Schmeling vs Joe Louis fights.
Schmeling beat Joe first time out, therefore there was even more pressure on Joe to perform in the rematch in the back drop of Hitler’s rise to power.

Schmeling smashed Louis to bits in the fight of the year, but Louis proved that you can overturn a previous defeat obliterating Schmeling in less than a round.

This is why it is possible to have a fighter you just can’t beat, but be able to beat every other fighter around. Call it a Bogey Man, or whatever, but it happens in all sports!

This is why I don’t just look at what happened 2 years ago,but what’s happening now, what has he learned, who has he fought, who’s around him, what’s his ambition etc. There are so many intangibles that can influence a boxing match. There is no exact science in predicting a fight and hence we get the Buster Douglas moments from time to time. Who would have predicted HONEYGHAN would beat Donald Curry (actually, as a schoolboy, I did) I’d seen Honey beat Roger Stafford and Horace Shufford with god box- fighting skills, but would never have guessed he would beat Curry up like he did – I guessed he may be able to beat him off the back foot!
At the time Curry had blazed through the welterweights, beating the likes of McCrory and Coin Jones along the way with sublime boxing skills!
I know he had problems with substance abuse, but I don’t know if it was before he lost or after he lost to HONEYGHAN. But, those are the types of things that can affect even the greatest of fighters.

Last night, I could have told you that Carl Frampton would walk through his opponent the moment I saw him. The ambition just wasn’t there!

Posted April 5, 2014 12:00 pm 


Anonymous

BEARS, believe it or not I don’t hate TARK, I only have a problem when he berates the guys I’ve said using the same stick to beat them with time after time.
SRR lost to Tiger Jones, but that doesn’t make him rubbish overnight.
Hearns lost to Barkley, but that doesn’t make him a dud overnight.
Ali lost to Leon Spinks, but that doesn’t make Jim a turkey.

My view on these fighters is their overall body of work was such that yep, they had a bad night but more than made up for it in memorable performances time and time again.

The yardstick IMHO is that they fought more often and in a lot of cases the best fighters more often met at some point or other.

Carlos ZARATE faced Alfonso Zamora
Salvador Sanchez faced Wilfredo Gomez
Alexis Arguello faced AARON PRYOR
Hearns faced Hagler, SRL, Benitez, Duran, Cuevas
Ali faced Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Norton,
SRR far too many names to mention as a welter and MW

Today’s fighters in the last 10 years seem to be able to pick and choose who they wish or don’t wish to fight

Mayweather and Pacquiao
Mayweather and Bradley
Golovkin vs Ward
Kovalev vs Stevenson
Kovalev vs Hopkins

are just a few fights that will probably never happen, even though the fans would love to see those fights. We have fighters like Amir Khan cherry picking his way to major title shots undeservedly.

Posted April 5, 2014 11:43 am 


BEARS

shmelling brutalized louis fight one boy thats a CLASSIC. the second fight i dont even know what happened to shmelling he just fell off like mccall in his second fight with lewis left saying to yourself WTF was that?

Posted April 5, 2014 11:11 am 


BEARS

shmelling did jack up joe louis in fight one BAD. wooped him. kept landing that power right on him it seemed like.

im glad u like to talk boxing. i do as well and i enjoy other peoples perspectives. there are some on here who comtribute very little and simply say their fav fighters are the best or perfect and have no blemishes. and thats just never the case.

i use to under rate marciano but after reading about him and watching some tape. DAMN! that dude could PUNCH like a mother f’er! he was ground away like 4 teeth on a guy with one punch and the guy was wearing a mouth piece. rocky not only could punch so hard he could take a beating exceptionally well. im still watching tape on him. but i love to watch classic tape

i would even like to make some more youtube videos discussing boxing or calling a classic fight. or a mix of both. i like howard cossel. an old gold fight i like for its brutality and multiple knockdowns. FOREMAN VS LYLE. notthe most skilled BOXING match but one of the most brutal wars

TARKS a buddy of mine on here. we agree mostly. people generally want to target guys like TARK because they have substance rich posts. he has layed waste to many a poster. overall, dudes a good guy and i feel one of the best posters on the site

Posted April 5, 2014 11:09 am 


Anonymous

typo: in the same manner that Hitler tried to use Max Schmeling to get one over on US and the rest of the world, but he got tripped up by Joe Louis!

Posted April 5, 2014 10:45 am 


Anonymous

BEARS, the Eastern Bloc fighters were 3 round fighters, because the regimes they lived under did not permit professional fighting, so to all intents and purposes their were no greats from the Eastern Bloc until the 1990s and onwards. Even then it took many years to change a regime used to churning out brilliant amateurs and turn them into professional prize fighters.
The likes of RJJ, Hearns , SRL fought internationally as amateurs and therefore they would have tangled with the best amateurs of Eastern Europe and Cuba. FYI I have always admired the Cuban amateurs and wondered what if? What if Teofilio Stevenson was allowed by Fidel Castro to turn pro and face the likes of Ali, Frazier, Shavers, Norton and Frazier in the same vein that Hitler tried to use Max Schmeling beat the US, but was gripped up by Joe Louis.
I actually think amateur boxing was more exciting in this period, before the sterilisation of the era of the head guard and computer points scoring. If you get a chance watch some of the amateur fights throughout the Olympics of 1976 and then compare them to the duds of Beijing 2008 and London 2012.
Whatever your view of me, I am a fan of boxing from the whole spectrum of one champion – Eight weights, right up to the multiple champions of today (the WBA actually recognises 3 World champions in the same weight category for some of their titles – if that’s not crazy, then I don’t know what is)!

Posted April 5, 2014 10:37 am 


BEARS

i meant im NOT disputingthe greats are great

Posted April 5, 2014 10:27 am 


BEARS

i know but i think a peak toney and jones jr win still. i think they are more talented. and yeah them guys may have fought some western euro fighters like u listed but they did fight the eastern block best during the cold war. im disputing the greats are great but i would favor a peak toney and RJJ personally.

Posted April 5, 2014 10:00 am 


Anonymous

BEARS do you realise the likes of Jack Johnson, Muhammad Ali, SRR did tours of Europe and round the world to fight their champions? Just thought you’d like to know that FACT?
The Eastern bloc countries and Cuba and a few other countries like Sweden did not have professional boxing until the last 20 or so years, so you can’t hold this against fighters, but I disagree with you.
Back in those days fighters in the top ten would be the best fighters of a region, generally in US it would be the NABF, USBA, we would have the champions of Europe, Commonwealth, OPBF, FECARBOX and then we would have National champions.
Hearns defended against the champion of Europe Luigi Minchillo at 154, SRR defended against the likes of Randy Turpin in UK, Ali fought all over the World Zaire, Philippines, London…etc etc…
Today, there is such a plethora of champions, we often have 3,4 or 5 guys from the same country ranked at a weight.
At Welterweight we have Brits Amir Khan, Kel Brook, Frankie Gavin all world rated, yet nine of these guys have fought each other to prove they are even the best in UK.
This did not happen in my day. The likes of Tony Sibson, Dave Boy Green, John H Stracey had to prove they were the best in UK, Commonwealth and Europe, before they got their crack at the one of two champions (WBA and WBC), but now we have IBF, then WBO, IBO etc etc and so many ?Intercontinental and other baubles, to be honest it is EASIER to win a title these days than it’s ever been.
Actually your comment about TONEY and RJJ is a misnomer. These 2 come right off the back of Hagler and Hearns, if you think Hagler fought Hearns in 85 and SRL in 87 and Hearns fought SRL in 88 as RJJ was getting Olympic Silver. By 1994 RJJ was world champion at MW! So, their careers are not that far apart!

Posted April 5, 2014 9:32 am 


BEARS

TARK called the greats great not rubish. He clearly states the greats were great below.

TARK goes on to favor modern greats over past greats and i agree. many sports parallel this in that older generations are not as good as more modern even in just plain running. let alone boxing, football, basketball.

i would favor toney and jones jr to win myself and in some ways that makes them GREATER. there is nothing to google

Posted April 5, 2014 9:09 am 


BEARS

the first thing that stands out to me about old time american greats (i live in mid-west usa) is that they were not fighting truly global contests. they were not facing the best if the east. kinda like baseball before blacks if u ask me. there was a eastern block dude that smoked cassius clay in the amateurs

Posted April 5, 2014 8:59 am 


BEARS

floyds matchmaking/cherrypicking and dodging the best fights available has always bothered me. he has done it his whole career. he is not much of a warrior to me. he is great, but how greats very debatable and its all frauds doing. i cant think of any other fighter who had so many quality opponents to fight and just failed to.

Posted April 5, 2014 8:56 am 


Anonymous

BEARS I don’t mind going into minute detail whenever and if ever you want to debate boxing.
My beef with TARK is he berates some of the finest fighters that ever laced on a pair of gloves, in particular SRR, Hearns, Hagler, Ali.

BEARS, do me one favour.
Google these ATG above and look up where they rank in the pantheon of All time rankings from a) an historians perspective and b) a layman’s perspective

Come back on here and let us know the results.

In TARK’S writings he is basically saying Hearns was rubbish, Ali and Hagler vastly overrated and SRR was a joke.

I would like to know YOUR opinions after you’ve done your own research.

Posted April 5, 2014 5:12 am 


Anonymous

Mccallum won the vacant WBA belt.

Posted April 5, 2014 5:07 am 


Anonymous

Typical BEARS stupidness to add to his ignorance. If he disagrees with a poster he labels them as S.Redmond. GTFOH you imbecile.
You and TARK would make for poor forensic scientists. You need to deal with FACTS and not CONJECTURE.
In an earlier post BEARS says that he reads TARK’S post and finds out which boxer ducked a rematch.
How in the holy cr*p does TARK know and how can he prove who ducked out of any match?
In the case of Mike McCallum – He was boxing out of Kronk under Manny Steward and was the mandatory for Roberto Duran, but like so many talented fighters for example Rigo and Lara (fighters TARK will know), he was worth little in the terms of big bucks at the table.
Therefore, Duran negotiated a big money unification deal with Hearns (which was squashed, last minute by the WBA), to unify the WBC and WBA titles.
McCallum was seething at this, but it made more sense and dollars for Hearns, the king of the Kronk to face Duran.
Hearns won by 2nd round devastating TKO.

McCsllum eventually won the vacant belt by easily outboxing Sean Mannion for chump change. To this day McCallum still seethes at thisinjustice in his eyes.

Hearns then CHASED the World MW title vs Marvelous Marvin Hagler who was the Pound 4 Pound number 1 rated fighter in the world.

So, how can this be DUCKING McCallum?
Everyone, knew who these guys were and it brought MILLIONS to the table and to their bank accounts.

Duran had to rebuild after that KO defeat.

BEARS, I want you to read what I’ve written and then you can dissect it and tell me where I’ve gone wrong, or lied.

In fact Hagler and Hearns had been trying to make their fight for quite a while even before the Duran fight was even in the pipeline and McCallum had come to the fore.

Posted April 5, 2014 5:06 am 


Hidalg0

“ring had robert guerrero top ten p4p too when no other self respecting rank organization did like boxrec, sky, or espn. adonis ranking has no bearing on his running.”

Using that reasoning Bears, then you certainly have no problem with disputing The Ring awarding the title of Lineal Welterweight Champion to Floyd Mayweather Jr., right?

Posted April 4, 2014 10:30 pm 


BEARS

i definitely stand by TARK. even when i disagree with him he still makes a VERY valid point in the RARE instances i might see something a litttle different the guy is still thorough enough to make me think and question. hands down a top tier poster in TARK. you chumps on the other hand all your offering is the questioning of east side posters. your not even analyzing boxing

Posted April 4, 2014 8:27 pm 


BEARS

this dude must be redmond. acts like ketchal pro and is basing his entire posts off my posts and others posts rather than boxing knowledge.

lol

is this dude serious!?!? as if boxing knowledge begins and ends with stanley ketchel?

bahahahahahahaha this dude is more foolish than i thought he was!!!!!

if u cant talk ketchal u cant talk boxing huh?

bahahahahahahahahah! what a fool!

Posted April 4, 2014 8:23 pm 


Anonymous

So, TARK are you saying SRL is overrated because he lost fights to Camacho and DURAN? Are you alluding that PACMAN would beat SRL at 147? You don’t remember what Hearns did to CUEVAS at 147?
Your reasoning is nuts. Hagler vs Hearns was a plain fight, a bit like Pac and Marquez IV? Do you not think Hearns would snap his jab into Pac’s gut, bring his hands down and whipped his crossinto Pac’s cranium? ZZZZZ
Hearns lost all of 5 fights in something like 65 contests, spanning nearly thirty years and his 5th and final defeat when he was 42 years old, as he got a leg injury. He fought and won titles up to Light Heavy. I would wager my life savings on Hearns doing a similar job he did on Cuevas, DURAN and Shuler (RIP) on PACMAN, whether they fought at 147 or 154.

Posted April 4, 2014 6:18 pm 


Anonymous

BEARS
So, this is the moron TARK, you will stake your life on and would want to stand side-by-side with in a life or death situation? Rather you than me!
This is what he has just posted about Tommy Hearns!!!!

TARK

Pacquiao is not a 154-pounder and never will be… 145 is his limit—so he’s in his final division at 147. He achieved 150 for Cheato by stuffing himself with 5 meals a day.

But a fight vs a WW Hearns, who was as skinny (145) as can be when he showed up for Leonard, would be problematic for Hearns… He would probably run out of gas and get stopped, much like Ray Leonard did to him.

Leonard couldn’t hurt Duran but stopped Tommy. If Leonard—who was beaten by lightweights Hector Camacho and Roberto Duran—could get to China-chinned Hearns, Pacquiao certainly could do the same.

Tommy was wide open… Hagler hit Hearns with everything he threw, and and Barkley was able to knock Tommy down 3 times—in Barkley’s only 2 victories over an opponent of high caliber—with his slow swings … that chin was vulnerable.

I said something nice about Hearns. He was high caliber.

Posted April 3, 2014 4:44 pm

TARK’S reasoning is as skewed as the US Economy!

Posted April 4, 2014 6:09 pm 


Anonymous

BEARS writes:
anonymous- icould not care less about your views and opinions. u dont even offer up half the insight or history. your oosts dont even begin to compare to TARKS. TARK post something and u simply say “nuh uh” or TARKS not right. While TARK brings up specific detailed facts you offer nothing other than your own subjective “thats not true” u got nothing

Clearly of the two Bears, you are the Lennie to TARK’S George (if you don’t know what I mean then, “that’s just too bad! Hey, George!”)

BEARS, you clearly haven’t a clue, I actually quote the websites and often copy paste the FACTUAL evidence to back up my arguments with TARK as any person who reads this can see that TARK will only back down when the mounting evidence swamps his nonsense, but even then he will still rather argue the toss than admit defeat.

BEARS, you on the other hand are a true ignoramus who tries to make views on people you’ve never even heard of. How can you call yourself a cultured fan of boxing when you have NEVER even heard of the likes of Stanley Ketchel?

Sit yourself down and give yourself a slap.

I’m actually arguing with an imbecile who can’t put his left leg in front of his right without falling over! IDIOT!

You’re an even bigger liar than TARK! Anyway BEARS, the only time you come out of the woods is if someone mentions the name of Vitali or you’re racially abusing someone. Go back to having your long shxx in the woods and come back when you have more of a clue on
Stanley Ketchel, Tommy Burns, James J Jeffries, Gentleman Jim Corbett, Georges Carpentier and you can name how many divisions he sailed through? The list goes on and on.

Posted April 4, 2014 6:01 pm 


TARK

JD/Stupid says.., “Do you really think that James Toney would have beaten Ray Leonard?”

He would have killed him… Hearns lost to Barkley twice and Toney won every minute of every round from Barkley … and dispatched him without mercy.

When Leonard was 34 he was boxed to death by Terry Norris… Who was about 1/10th the boxer Roy Jones was… and when Toney was 34 he boxed the ass off Evander Holyfield and stopped him … Let’s just say Holyfield would have beaten Terry Norris.

Posted April 4, 2014 1:19 pm 


BEARS

i love discussing hypothetical matchups and TARKS damn good at it too. hypotheticals get subjective but u can incorporate a lot of objective data in your hypothetical analysis

Posted April 4, 2014 11:27 am 


BEARS

no way would i call leonard the same as jones jr. i dont know that i would say leonard coluld hit as hard as either toney or jr.

Posted April 4, 2014 7:55 am 


BEARS

how do i know what TARK says is right? he deals in objectivity. for instance he will say who a fighter lost to and subsequently ducked rematches. then i can look these fighters up and see he is correct. then i can say well TARK makes a good case that say james toney stands a good chance of beating a guy from an earlier era. i already know toney and jones jr

Posted April 4, 2014 7:51 am 


BEARS

pride- nobody implied ketchal and monzon fought. its called reading comprehension

Posted April 3, 2014 8:57 pm 


BEARS

the facts- nobody has seen all the fighters. r u claiming to have seen the guys if jack johnsons era? u were not even alive u wank. and only us hardcore younger guys watch classic tape WHICH IM KNOWN FOR DOING. and theres a lot i do know at heavy.

but your squirrelly like sredmond. u really dont know sh!t. u pick up on someones post and go from there. your not talking boxing your talking smack. most likely under multiple alts

Posted April 3, 2014 7:54 pm 


Fight Aficionado

BEARS, unfortunately the one Ketchel fight that most have seen is when he dropped Jack Johnson then got KTFO. Yeah a middleweight getting KOed by a heavyweight, which was one of his 4 losses and would never get scheduled to begin with today. He’s widely considered one of the biggest punchers PFP in boxing history.

Posted April 3, 2014 5:21 pm 


pride

Seriously, Adonis is a greedy bum who knows he got Dawson at the perfect time after Ward dismantled him. Stevenson is tough, but he’s chinny. If he and Kovalev traded, they both would throw bombs, but Kovalev’s would hurt him and hell of a lot more than Stevenson’s would hurt Sergei. Enjoy the ride until Haymon turns on you like he does most of his fighters. You’re not Mayweather, Adonis, so you’re not immune to his backstabbing ways.

Posted April 3, 2014 5:18 pm 


pride

Ketchel and Monzon fought? So, did they prop Ketchel’s fifty years in the dirt corpse up in front of Monzon and say, have at it Carlos? Yeah, can’t wait to the Jim Jeffries George Foreman fight on tape next.

Posted April 3, 2014 5:10 pm 


BEARS

never heard if stanley ketchel and i never watched tape on a lot of the guys u guys listed. now i have some tape to watch. starting with ketchal and monzon

anonymous- icould not care less about your views and opinions. u dont even offer up half the insight or history. your oosts dont even begin to compare to TARKS. TARK post something and u simply say “nuh uh” or TARKS not right. While TARK brings up specific detailed facts you offer nothing other than your own subjective “thats not true” u got nothing

Posted April 3, 2014 4:42 pm 


BEARS

yeah i feel with proper officiating vitaly vs lewis would have went to the cards with a vitaly win for sure.

but the tape. the six rounds as it is with vitaly fighting 66% of that fight with one eye. vitaly did so much WORK in thise 6 rounds its UNREAL. the fight itself still makes vitaly look awesome and i can break down in detail why if u would like

Posted April 3, 2014 4:37 pm 


Anonymous

The same Idiot TARK and BEARS who nut hug Vitali and can’t accept he lost and was BEATEN by LENNOX LEWIS. You are two of the biggest nut hugger a on here, with more excuses than a public transport driver.

Posted April 3, 2014 4:07 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Ah, Stanley Ketchel. He doesn’t get enough ink. Definite all time great middleweight, among the best. 51-4 with 48 KOs and one of the highest KO% in boxing history. Imagine what he’d have accomplished if he wasn’t shot dead at the age of 25.

Posted April 3, 2014 3:58 pm 


TARK

Thanks Bears.., Idiots like Anonymous/Sredmond like to hang on to their myths and legends.

Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, or Robinson would all be beaten by Carlos Monzon… Stanley Ketchell… Mickey Walker… James Toney… Roy Jones… Bernard Hopkins… Ralph Jones… Reggie Johnson… Mike McCallum… Michael Nunn… Sergio Martinez… and Gennady Golovkin.

They were all great — but all beatable.

I guess because Sugar Ray Robinson was ahead on the scorecards… and it was a hot night… and he didn’t pace himself as well as Joey Maxim did… and he got stopped… that’s a great excuse for getting his ass kicked.

Funny… but Robinson didn’t want a rematch with Jones or Maxim … They would have beaten his ass again if he wanted more.

Posted April 3, 2014 2:37 pm 


RAYGORDON REID

yes

Posted April 3, 2014 11:08 am 


BEARS

TARK is also one o the most objective posters i have seen

Posted April 3, 2014 7:54 am 


BEARS

TARK makes some great points ALL the time. to pretend the greats are just great and thats the whole story of their career and life is just airheaded. TARK does a great job at elucidating some of the low or not so bright aspects of their careers. its not one big highlight reel for ANY fighter. TARK shining the light putting the magnifying glass to this is awesome. we dont see enough if it in east articles. boxing aint all about praising boxers and nuthugging. its about being objective, thirough, and principled with some integrity. TARK is one if the best posters here

Posted April 3, 2014 7:52 am 


Anonymous

JACK DEMPSEY & THE FACTS

TARK is a lying, curmudgeonly, pernicious old b8st8rd and I OUT the imbecile at every turn.
His M.O. is to NEVER let the FACTS spoil his lies.

Great work in outing the old fool!

Posted April 3, 2014 5:32 am 


Anonymous

THE FACTS!

I outed TARK on several threads as being a bitter, old, pernicious, curmudgeon who is so racked with jealousy at ATG fighters who competed before 1995. It’s not their fault TARK failed to make it, even as a gym rat in boxing, but he blames them and tries to destroy their legacies.
ATGs such as SRR, Hagler, Hearns, Benitez, Ali, Frazier and many more are ripped to bits by this evil, old, b8st8rd!
Anyway, TARK’S modus operandi has been rumbled.
his broken record runs the same every time in every scenario.

SRR – He lost to Ralph Tiger Jones, who was on 5 fight losing streak, so he must be rubbish.
Hagler – couldn’t knock out Marcos Geraldo who had been stopped 10 times, so he must be rubbish.
Hearns – KO’d 3 times in his 20’s, so he must be rubbish.

Does all this sound familiar?

check any thread and TARK, the imbecile wil write exactly the same thing, like a scratched and broken record no one wishes to hear, but he persists in his wickedness!

SRR – had retired for 31 months after stepping up 15 pounds to face and lose by heat exhaustion in the 14th round after being miles ahead of Joey Maxim in 103 degree heat, where the ref also collapsed and had to be replaced. Tiger Jones had already BEATEN 2 world champions and fought 10 Campions in his career and was not some bum as TARK tries to suggest. Of his 5 deafen streak, 3 of the five defeats were by ONE POINT SPLIT DECISIONS and only 1 to a world champion was a unanimous defeat.

Hagler – Hagler won a UD over Geraldo just before he went on to win the title and TARK omits that SRL also went the distance with Geraldo. I DONT even see the imbecile’s point with this anyway?

Hearns – was stopped by ATG SRL in one of the best fights and stopped by ATG Hagler in what is generally considered one of the best fights of all time. He lost to Barkely when on the verger of stopping him himself.

TARK never let’s the FACTS get in the way of his LIES!

Posted April 3, 2014 5:30 am 


Goosey

TARK..allovertheplace

Posted April 3, 2014 2:23 am 


Kovalev

Homodis would never fight Kovalev.

Posted April 2, 2014 9:09 pm 


Kovalev

Of course he did. The frogs are well known runners.

Posted April 2, 2014 9:08 pm 


BEARS

fight afficionado has it right. but anyone who follows boxing should know he is right

Posted April 2, 2014 7:36 pm 


BEARS

my mouth and adonis running to the top of the showtime network tower yelling “SANCTUARY””!!!!

ring had robert guerrero top ten p4p too when no other self respecting rank organization did like boxrec, sky, or espn. adonis ranking has no bearing on his running. kovalev can stomp a mudhole in the a$$ of dawson, hopkins, kovalev, and any other light heavy u can come up with

adonis blatantly biatched out. hopkins is as well but hopkins is a forgone conclusion. both kovalev and adonis beat him. adonis would be nicer about it. kovalev might reap nard hops life. kovalev is number one atthe weight and any self respecting ranking organization should have his ducking effect his rank to kovalev

Posted April 2, 2014 7:34 pm 


Hidalg0

Hopkins already lost to another “white boy.” Calzaghe.

Posted April 2, 2014 7:25 pm 


Hidalg0

Last time I checked Bears, The Ring selected Stevenson as it’s light heavyweight champion, not Kovalev. Stevenson also hold the WBA Super Champion title, while Kovalev holds only the WBO belt. If Kovalev truly was as great as you think he is, or that Adonis isn’t, Kovalev would have The Ring title. But he doesn’t.

The only thing running around here Bears is your mouth.

Posted April 2, 2014 7:24 pm 


Hosteen

Why is Stevens sounding off on someone who is not in his own division?

Posted April 2, 2014 5:45 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“There is no concrete proof that Stevenson doesnt want the fight. Its just talk.” – Says nobody. Fact is Kovalev-Stevenson was already made and Stevenson backed out. There’s no fancy analysis here. If a fight’s made and one party bails he is ducking the other guy. That is a fact and any other “analysis” is an opinion.

Posted April 2, 2014 4:28 pm 


piechucker

finally something we can all agree on, Stevenson is a wimp, who ducked kovalev. Not even his fans would dare to try and defend him.

Posted April 2, 2014 3:40 pm 


Shane

Adonis is 36 and looking for paydays not guys that could decapitate him….period. str8 duck.

Posted April 2, 2014 3:20 pm 


PEEJ

Your a racist bastard plain and simple. You obviously can’t read either because I said I wanted to see the fight.

Posted April 2, 2014 1:53 pm 


BEARS

i meant to say im NOT supporting adonis running

Posted April 2, 2014 1:16 pm 


BEARS

peej- are u making excuses for adonis? and acting like he has abundantly more clout than kovalev? or that kovalev vs adonis is not the fight everyone has been clamoring for, for damn near 2 years? please dude. theres no excuse for adonis “quazi moto” stevens. not one. are we clear on that? and bernard hopkins the only question with that turd is who gets to scalp him. its a shame its not “white boy” kovalev.

wouldnt that be perfect though? nard hop said he would never loose to a whiteboy. imagine if kovalev took his life too in the ring!!!! talk about two birds one stone huh!?!!

Posted April 2, 2014 1:15 pm 


PEEJ

If you are the champion then people contact you not the other way around. People want to become champion so the champion has to wait for the people to contact him so he can defend his championship.

Posted April 2, 2014 12:07 pm 


BEARS

im supporting adonis running. he has been removed from freworks fighters list for having a v@gin@ between his legs.

we had the interview adonis started running. we have running to showtime yelling sanctuary quazi motto style, we have him claiming for the money and its a one bum fight deal with fonfara, then we have adonis “quazi moto” stevens replying via twitter i want the fight contact my people.

u dont say contact my people u say IM TELLING MY PEOPLE YOUR NEXT

QUAZI’s stock has plummeted

Posted April 2, 2014 11:02 am 


PUNCHkEY

BEARS thanks for making my day!
BEARS is 100% correct !!!!!!!

Posted April 2, 2014 10:18 am 


PEEJ

From what was said about Stevensons deal with showtime is that it is only a couple of fights. Not a long multi fight deal. And the fact that HBO won’t deal with Haymon is a big issue too. Funny how folks complain about Floyd not wanting to deal with Arum and says he is ducking for that but says Stevenson is ducking Kovalev because HBO won’t deal with Haymon. I have no clue if Stevenson is ducking Kovalev, I would definitely like to see the fight but Stevenson is going for the winner of the Hopkins vs Shuminov fight which would be 2 added titles.

Posted April 2, 2014 9:54 am 


Hidalg0

“even funnier to me is u hidalgo. wow. its just not hard to see whats up here u must not wantto see it. your in denial”

Grow up, Bears.

Posted April 2, 2014 9:18 am 


Hidalg0

“I find it laughable that Adonis is giving Kovelev stick about aganew when it took Adonis 6 rounds to take out bone man with a weak chin in bellows.”

Stevenson took out Chad Dawson and took his WBC crown in less than one round, retired Cloud in seven, and stopped Bellew in six. I don’t see anything at all that’s laughable about Stevenson. He has one loss on his record. So what.

Stevenson has 20 KOs, Kovalev has 22 KOs. These guys are both beasts. They’ll fight soon enough and when they do Kovalev will quickly find out that Adonis Stevenson is no laughing matter and certainly not afraid of him in any way.

Posted April 2, 2014 9:17 am 


BEARS

the interview is all about how he looked and what he said and it was the beginning of the running.

fleeing to showtime yelling sanctuary was the second part. the third part talking about more money was utterly weak. a one fight deal with fonfara!!! who buys that!?!?!? anyone!!!
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHANA!

one bum fight deal with showtime! TOO FUNNY!!! even funnier to me is u hidalgo. wow. its just not hard to see whats up here u must not wantto see it. your in denial

Posted April 2, 2014 9:11 am 


Hidalg0

“we have adonis interviews with kellerman and adonis seeking sanctuary at showtime lime quazi moto. that is proof not opinion nutsack”

I see. And in those interviews did Adonis say, “No, I’m afraid to fight Kovalev so I’m ducking him?”

Didn’t think so.

Posted April 2, 2014 9:03 am 


eric

Adonis should have fought Kovelev, then moved to Showtime if he were serious about unifying” all titles”. That only makes logical sence, long term.

I find it laughable that Adonis is giving Kovelev stick about aganew when it took Adonis 6 rounds to take out bone man with a weak chin in bellows.

Kovelev did a 3G beat down on his last opponent, thats what it reminded me of.

I do see problems with his defence thats true but it’s not as bad as people say, he’s very offensive and that comes with the territory a little bit, if his chin holds up he will be fine under normal circumstances, but Adonis power isn’t normal circumstances so he’s gota work on that a little, to be honest, Adonis isthe one that sshould be worried about getting caught more that Kovelev.

Posted April 2, 2014 7:23 am 


eric

Curtis had the sack to fight triple G, he’s believable.

Posted April 2, 2014 6:57 am 


eric

Being afraid of a fighter has nothing to do with who wins.
Twice in my childhood I was terrified of a bully on two separate occasions, once in 5th grade.the first one that picked on me one day got beat up after he pissed me off.
Adonis may beat Kovelev, we don’t know and neither dose he until they fight.

Posted April 2, 2014 6:54 am 


eric

Freedom of speach and defending ones honor on ESB boxing is frowned opon, people like peej is loved by the writers because he fits their format of soft racism and supports their agenda of superior race belief.

Posted April 2, 2014 6:48 am 


BEARS

we have adonis interviews with kellerman and adonis seeking sanctuary at showtime lime quazi moto. that is proof not opinion nutsack

Posted April 2, 2014 6:37 am 


Ray Ray

All the haterz on here are going 2 look silly when these 2 fight? I bet who ever wants it? That they do….

Posted April 2, 2014 3:57 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

I like Kova’s ring entrance music, but after this static with Adonis the pimp, it would be funny if he changed it to, “…I’m not a player, I just KRUSH a lot…” by Big Pun. I bet the fans would love that sh*t — even if it were for only one to two fights.

Posted April 2, 2014 12:41 am 


Adrian

Who cares if he is ducking or not kovalev should keep doing what is doing and I guarantee you Adonis will meet another ” Darnell boon ” very soon and will be begin for a kovalev fight but it will be to late then …

Posted April 2, 2014 12:24 am 


Hidalg0

“your an absolute DUMBA$$ dude”

Bears, your opinion is not concrete proof.

Posted April 1, 2014 11:15 pm 


Pratt

I agree. Adonis is stinking up the place. Man up and face Kovalev Adonis.

Posted April 1, 2014 10:52 pm 


John F

Every time an interviewer would mention Kovalev to Stevenson during interviews he would swallow hard and stutter….totally wants no part of him now. Might consider it for his last fight on a final cash grab. Although, it may be difficult to count with post-concussion symptoms.

Posted April 1, 2014 10:50 pm 


BEARS

adonis stock
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damn adonis stock is plummeting and everyone thinks he has turned into a v@gin@ running from kovalev. adonis “quasi moto” stevenson yelling sanctuary from the top of the showtime tower!!!! im not watching another adonis fight til this dude removes his v@gin@ from between his legs.

Posted April 1, 2014 10:44 pm 


Auzbox

Stevenson and floyd are mates for sure. Mayweather teaching him all the ducking tricks LMAO

Posted April 1, 2014 9:04 pm 


BEARS

adonis ran to showtime. ran to the top floor, stuck his head out the window and started exclaiming “SANCTUARY” like a modern day Quazi moto. im gonna call him adonis “quazi moto” stevens

Posted April 1, 2014 7:36 pm 


BEARS

fight afficionado is 100% correct.

can u believe adonis actually used that higher money deal at showtime bullsh!t………FOR ONE FIGHT WITH FONFARA!!!!!!!! BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

just like when adonis was asked if he would fight kovalev next on the card him and kovalev headlined…..u shoulda seen the phuk faced look on his face and he started saying i dont know about that people want me and pascal. adonis has a CLEAR, OBVIOUS, CONCRETE, now history of ducking occurrences and behavior.

adonis stock is still FALLING!!!!!!! as we speak as a result of his total BIATCHING OUT.

people just FEAR KOVALEV they will put heaven and earth between them or in this case managers and networks. this has damaged adonis in my eyes BIGTIME. he is not the warrior i thought he was thats for sure

Posted April 1, 2014 7:31 pm 


BEARS

no concrete proof? i dont think u could get anymore concrete or thorough in terms of adonis ducking and the manner in which he did it. your an absolute DUMBA$$ dude

Posted April 1, 2014 7:24 pm 


Hidalg0

Test post. Test test test.

Posted April 1, 2014 7:23 pm 


Hidalg0

There is no concrete proof that Stevenson doesnt want the fight. Its just talk.

Posted April 1, 2014 7:21 pm 


Hidalg0

F.A.that is just the generic conclusion that a lot of fans and people in the boxing world are coming to because HBO and Kathy Duva Cant make the fight happen. Stevenson isnt afraid of Kovalev. That is just ridiculous.

Posted April 1, 2014 7:20 pm 


JJ

Stevenson might even win….c’mon,it’s not a gimme for Sergey Kovalev, but Adonis doesn’t want the fight.

Posted April 1, 2014 7:19 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“Stevenson has said he is getting more money than what he was offered for the Kovalev fight and twice as much as when he fought Dawson” – Then Stevenson is lying. HBO offered him a multi-fight, multi-million dollar contract. He’s getting paid more by Showtime than HBO offered for the Fonfara bout but it’s just a one fight deal. Obv the big factor was he now doesn’t have to get his face smashed in by Kovalev.

Posted April 1, 2014 7:02 pm 


box

Stevenson is just scared imo.

Posted April 1, 2014 6:28 pm 


Hidalgo

Like Stevens’ opinion means anything.

Posted April 1, 2014 6:23 pm 


BUSTAJAY

Curtis should had ducked that punch from GGG
LOL

Posted April 1, 2014 6:21 pm 


Havoc

Stevenson has more fats than muscle. He looks like a heavy weight fighter. Kovalev is a lean mascular fighter. Kovalev will KO fat boy, that if they fight!

Posted April 1, 2014 6:14 pm 


Swedish Boxing Fan

The WBO world light heavyweight champion Sergey Kovalev is not as skilled as Lineal/WBC world champion Adonis Stevenson BUT Kovalev haves more pure power and I belive he has more courage in the ring as well as I feel he can go threw the tuffer time then Stevenson.

Still Adonis Stevenson is a better athlete and his skills and better speed I belive is what makes him the better bet in a fight with Stevenson vs Kovalev and I will go for betting on Stevenson.

Just sad that Stevenson doesen’t seem to want to tight Kovalev in a near future so that is a loss for the boxing world when that would be one of the best fights to be made, Only Manny “Pac-Man” Paquiao vs. “Pretty Boy” Floyd Mayweather Jr (Well the Greedy boy ducks so that one looks never to happen) or Andre Ward vs Carl Froch II would be higher ranked fights to happen.

Still I’m glad that old time legend and IBF world light heavyweight champion Bernard Hopkins is fighting WBA/IBA world champion Beibut Shumenov in a world title unification. SO something therer in the division is happening in the quest for unifying the world title belts.

Some people call it the “3rd vs. the 4th best” in the leage of light heavyweight boxers BUT in any way, its a right direction to be made in the division.

The winner will be the unified IBF/WBA/IBA world light heavyweight champion and then only Adonis Stevenson’s Lineal/WBC crown and Sergey Kovalev’s WBO world title is left to conqer in order for a fighter to become the final unified and undisputed light heavyweight champion of the world.
Something that havent been in the division sence 2003.

Posted April 1, 2014 6:03 pm 


kato3388

Another….. and another…. and another….
Mayweather has set precedence. Now whenever you don’t want to face a tough opponent, just sign with the rival network or promoter… and viola!!!!! Now no one can MAKE you. Ta DAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

I can understand the business side of boxing…. but, fighting/boxing is first and foremost, then business… right???? Am I wrong in thinking this?

Posted April 1, 2014 5:58 pm 


PEEJ

Stevenson has said he is getting more money than what he was offered for the Kovalev fight and twice as much as when he fought Dawson

Posted April 1, 2014 4:56 pm 


TARK

Titopa.., The money would come with fighting Kovalev. Nobody is interested in seeing Stevenson fight Fonfara…

Fonfara??? WTF is he?

Just like nobody was interested in seeing Muhammad Ali fight Jean Pierre Coopman, Ruddi Lubbers, Brian London, or Alfredo Evangelista.

Everyone was interested in seeing Ali fight Larry Holmes. Ali got 10 million for fighting Holmes and 250K for fighting London … London was a much safer opponent of course.

This is what Stevenson is interested in. Not money. SAFETY!!!

Posted April 1, 2014 4:19 pm 


Anonymous

Adonis. Has good power and handspeed but i agree he is trying to duck kovalev….same way the clown of floyd has always beem avoided his daddy..,,,Manny Paquiao

Posted April 1, 2014 3:57 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Everyone agrees with Curtis Stevens on this issue.

Posted April 1, 2014 3:31 pm 


Titopa

It’s obvious. But then again, you can’t fault a guy for going where the money is….that’s a part of boxing, the side we fans don’t care for, but it’s the reality.

Posted April 1, 2014 3:23 pm 


Cantabile

Eventually, Stevenson and Kovalev will fight. Al Haymon is going to avoid the match as long as possible so that his fighter can soak up as much dinero as he can before taking such a high risk fight. Almost everybody seems to pick the Russian to beat A.D. – it should be noted that Kovalev has not met a fighter with the punch-power and hand speed that Stevenson brings to the table. The fact of the matter is that either man is capable of knocking out the other. This really is a toss up fight. Nothing like the one sided Kovalev beatdown so many are making it out to be.

Posted April 1, 2014 3:14 pm 


soda pop

Whats funny is that mayweather and stevenson both i think would be favored in those dream matches but arent willing to test themself.im sure there not afraid, just unwilling to test there true ability….hmm, they may know something we dont.

Posted April 1, 2014 1:12 pm 


PJ Proby

Adonis is no Superman, more like The Joker.

Posted April 1, 2014 1:11 pm 


PJ Proby

Stevens speaketh the truth. Adonis Stevenson ducked the Krusher.

Posted April 1, 2014 1:10 pm 


CurlyQ.Howard

Goomba, Yes, my dog has trained me well.

Posted April 1, 2014 1:07 pm 


Drew

Kovalev would KO the vastly overrated Stevenson … and Stevenson knows it. That’s why so-called Superman ran like a little girl when he had a chance to fight Kovalev. Superman, my ass.

Posted April 1, 2014 12:58 pm 


badger

article says it all. kudos to Curtis for his effort against GGG.

Posted April 1, 2014 12:49 pm 


Blitz

My mistake I ment Stevenson not Stevens and I know he’s ducking Kovalev that’s what I said

Posted April 1, 2014 12:02 pm 


Lemane Suecassroyl

Adonis went to the school of Floyd Mayweather. Any fighter you see as a threat avoid as much possible. Run dont hide !!!

Posted April 1, 2014 11:21 am 


moonshineman

He did. Superman is not as stupid as he looks.

Posted April 1, 2014 11:00 am 


Goomba

CurlyQ.Howard: You’re so smart!!

Posted April 1, 2014 10:10 am 


CurlyQ.Howard

Blitz, Adonis Stevenson and Curtis Stevens are two different fighters. It is Stevenson who ducked Kovalev. Curtis Stevens is now a middleweight (and a fighter who won’t duck anybody as he just proved by fighting GGG last November).

Posted April 1, 2014 9:33 am 


Blitz

I actually think Stevens has a chance against kovalev he’s differently the better boxer and has good power if he could get kovalev past 7 rounds it could be interesting but at 36 he needs the fight now and it dose look like he is ducking

Posted April 1, 2014 8:30 am 


punch

I understand Adonis, he wants to get a big payday instead of building a legacy. Fighting the Krusher will ruin all that. He may eventually fight Kovalev when he’s backed to the wall though it won’t change the inevitable crushing that awaits him.

Posted April 1, 2014 4:41 am 


Auzbox

Stevenson Learning from floyd to do the duck and run

Posted April 1, 2014 2:26 am 


Anonymous

When asked by HBO after one of Stevenson’s fights, they brought up Kovalev, but Stevenson changed the subject. Stevenson moved to Showtime to keep from fighting Kovalev and everyone knows it……..

Posted April 1, 2014 1:29 am 


Hidalgo

Stevens can’t beat any of the big names so he’s whining about Adonis.

Posted April 1, 2014 12:44 am 


Pratt

Adonis has no nards, he will run, but Bhops has some nards and maybe he sign with Kovalev.

Posted April 1, 2014 12:38 am 


Pratt

Kovalev KO’s Adonis !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted April 1, 2014 12:36 am 



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