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Happyboy

Anonymous – the voice of reason. it’s an open secret that both were on the juice( level playing fields) and JMM settled the debate for good. case closed. Let’s move on.

Posted April 27, 2014 4:00 am 


Haimat

te tumbo actually responded. It’s a miracle

Posted April 25, 2014 2:17 am 


te tumbo

“It’s official, te tumbo is mentally retarded” but after giving it some thought, being called a “Pacquiao* fan named Haimat” would feel worse.

Posted April 25, 2014 1:21 am 


Haimat

It’s official, te tumbo is mentally retarded.

Posted April 25, 2014 1:08 am 


Anonymous

both are ped cheats. end of.

Posted April 24, 2014 2:40 pm 


te tumbo

“. . . when you see Manny* Pacquiao* floor, it’s great. I feel happy, I feel-I feel, it’s like a, it’s like glory”. well said “Champion of the Decade” . . . well said.

Posted April 24, 2014 11:47 am 


te tumbo

Manny* (and his fanboys) addressed suspicion about his bulkier build after moving up to 135lbs with “I will submit to commission-approved testing only”. that’s good enough for Marquez. he’s no cleaner or dirtier than Manny* based on “commission-approved” testing, per Pacquiao’s* assertion. end of story . . . and crybaby, sore-losing whining over Pacquiao’s* BRUTAL Loss to Marquez . . . Marquez is Greater.

Posted April 24, 2014 11:03 am 


Haimat

te tumbo, again, There is a huge difference between the level of suspicion between working with a certified PED supplier/expert and refusing to be bullied by Al Haymond and Mayweather’s management.

JMM’s close relationship with Angel Heredia is proof of PED usage IMO. Pac not agreeing to Mayweather’s demands is irrelevant as far as PEDs suspicion. At least to rational people.

What are you feelings on the fact that JMM is on PEDs?

Posted April 24, 2014 8:35 am 


Jonn E. JaGozza

I think Marquez has been in the fight game a bit too long .. He had a GREAT career ,enjoy life champ and remember your glory… Boxingdictionary.com

Posted April 24, 2014 7:37 am 


Ray Ray

Tumbo- I’m confident in Floyd beating Mannys ass…. Manny would throw half the amount of punches v Floyd than other opponents….that’s what happens when u miss an get chopped up? Like Alvarez did. & yes, if the fight ever happens which it won’t…. I’m happy 2 bet what ever u want?

Posted April 24, 2014 5:35 am 


Auzbox

Manny I don’t feel struggled with Bradley in either fight. Maybe more cautious this time but his confidence is building. You scored a draw I had Bradley 8-4 and I thought that could of been generous. Hope he brings his a game against Alvarado cause he isn’t a bum and is a lot bigger than juan

Posted April 23, 2014 11:27 pm 


Mike Tyson

Tumbo, what Floyd afraid of he a large w.w he a bit smaller now but his regular weight was 154 lb then. And PAC now a large jr W.W 145. And he lost power, so don’t the he could hit me and kill me (sr may)get throw out the windows?

After all you can’t have it two ways, Floyd getting killed, because of steriord and the ither hand bragging and I could beat him up no problem and doing it and not get hit. If that the case why he worrying about missing one day of blood testing. If he not going to get hit? Poor logic, or I call affraid and a excuses to not fight.

Posted April 23, 2014 11:16 pm 


te tumbo

“There is not even a hint of suspicion against Pac except for not agreeing directly to Mayweather’s demands”, which is all that’s required to suspect Pacquiao* of looking for a way out of having to face Mayweather, At-Least. the rest is all about the fear of Pacquiao* fans not fight-fans. that Manny* might test dirty(?) but he never has so why not simply agree that Pacquiao* was looking for a way out of having to face Mayweather. At-Least. end of story.

Posted April 23, 2014 10:49 pm 


Mike Tyson

Tumbo. Floyd don’t fight slugger/ boxer. The last 3 gave him trouble . Judah Pauline took him out on a UD . And Floyd split decision . Oscar split decision close one. Lucky. So Floyd drop or rather fight Ricky make him come up to 147 from 140 lb. and he get another 12 round and another split decision .
What he does, seen AT&T the undeafted fighter cotto, margarita, baretta,Mosley, he retired.
Chicken.

We’ll Bradley and PAC porter Lara are slugger/ boxer and will out work Floyd and win on a split decision

Bradley and PAC are 1,000 punches a fight. They land over 500 a fight. Floyd don’t even land 500 .
Bradley and PAC beat Floyd easily on the cards.

Floyd fight slow slugger or weight drain them. And he win all way on a UD because they don’t build points there is just the ko danger, that he can make them miss, because there are slow. And not busy.

Got that? Bradley and PAC are crazy busy and fast and very accrate.

Posted April 23, 2014 10:18 pm 


te tumbo

“I take your challenge and say PAC beat Floyd on a Split decission”(?). you don’t seem very confident and definitely don’t match my confidence in Floyd’s ability to outPunch, outBox, and outClass Pacquiao* in cruel and merciless fashion for a one-sided and anti-climactic TKO. you think Pacquiao* had problems dominating Bradley? just imagine the problems he will have against “Money”.

Posted April 23, 2014 7:43 pm 


te tumbo

AUZBOX, i don’t speak for Marquez. i speak for myself, e.g., Bradley v. Marquez was a Draw in my book and that’s the context i speak from. i couldn’t care less about “official” scorecards, promotional shills, or assorted boxing “experts”. if you want to defend the integrity of official scorecards and boxing institutions, suit yourself.

Posted April 23, 2014 7:37 pm 


Auzbox

Yeh tumbo but Marquez thought he won against Bradley where he didn’t even come close and if he has seen the fight on tape and thinks he won he is a liar

Posted April 23, 2014 7:19 pm 


te tumbo

“Tumbo . . . we could have fun” but unfortunately, I don’t honor “official” scorecards, e.g., Marquez was robbed of a “W” each and every time he faced Pacquiao* except for the final bout when Marquez took the outcome out of the judge’s hands. otherwise, the “official” scorecards will always favor Pacquiao*, e.g., Marquez definitely defeated Pacquiao* in III but the “official” scorecards ruled differently. how can i possibly “win” under those circumstances?

Posted April 23, 2014 6:33 pm 


Haimat

te tumbo is basically the same as boxtradamus. impossible to discuss anything. Tumbo’s in love with JMM even though he knows deep inside that Juan Manuel is a cheater. Fair enough, I respect ignorants. They will always be there.

Posted April 23, 2014 5:22 pm 


Haimat

why do you keep discussing a non issue, which is Pac on PEDs? You might as well ask if Obama is on PEDs or Wesley Snipes? There is nothing.

Juan Manuel is the most obvious PED user that hasn’t admitted yet in sports. There is NO ONE MORE OBVIOUS than Juan Manuel Marquez.

What’s your opinion on the topic? :) We all know you’ll post yet another post where you wonder why Pac said no to a never before demand made by Mayweather. Keep em coming my ignorant friend.

Posted April 23, 2014 5:18 pm 


Haimat

tumbo, tumbo, Juan Manuel Marquez is on PEDs and you know it my friend.

Posted April 23, 2014 5:14 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“Pacquiao* v. Bradley was HBO After Dark caliber. in terms of the matchups and the results. Marquez v. Alvarado is a little better if only because it promises to be a shootout but regular HBO is where it belongs.” – Agreed Tumbo. That Pac vs Bradley card was one of the worst PPV undercards in recent memory. Floyd-Maidana isn’t much better though. Neither get my hard earned dollars.

Posted April 23, 2014 5:02 pm 


Mike Tyson

Tumbo one we could have fun, and have creditability wo know who os bter in pac vs floyd is in out match up fights pick record that we anounce before the fights. Did you pick a porter vs paulie pick?
Guess not, you have one lost one on PAC already. mine is 3 out of 3 pick Hopkins and porter.
We have about 5-6 fight left. The chalange is who will have the most right of these coming fight,
Your record starting from the first PAC fight. You can skip fight a fighter if unsure.
Are you up for the chalange

Posted April 23, 2014 4:22 pm 


Kareem Abdul-Jabaar

JMM by stoppage he is an old man but is still better than Alvarado.

Posted April 23, 2014 4:17 pm 


Mike Tyson

NObody dares respond to my challenge of how could Mayweather possibly Know that a simple request for stricter testing would compel Pacquiao* to back out of a $25-$50 million payday? How?!?

He didn’t know. It’s was sr mayweather idea, he was dead affraid, as he was a trainer for Ricky hatten corner who disappear after the fight, remember that?
They he came out the next saying will not have my boy fight a steroid user he could die.
Then Floyd said shoot I don’t have to fight him this is great. The rest blood test just happen along as the fight was coming.

As Isaid Floyd accuse first PAC as user , so PAC fought him in court, he had no desire to bend backward for Floyd . I would not. Floyd me from retirement .

Posted April 23, 2014 4:07 pm 


Mike Tyson

Tumbo, Iam talking bout what the article you posted here on what aziza said about PAC and Floyd fight. Stick to one subject PAC don’t want to take the test. This is after that. Aziza said They will not allow the test there after the fight. So its not pac fault. PAC accepted the random test everyday. You are wrong. And the rio fight was drug tested too.

I was being nice I take your chalange and say PAC beat Floyd on a Split decission.

Posted April 23, 2014 3:52 pm 


te tumbo

“its not his fault that the boxing commission don’t want it after the fight”. TYSON, Wrong. first of all, Pacquiao* first cited religion, culture, and physical condition as his objections to testing NOT any “commission” objection. moreover, the NSAC went on record as having no objections to the stricter testing requested by Mayweather. conversely, which one of Pacquiao’s* original excuses for not testing do you believe was true? religion? culture? physical condition? were any of these true? or were they all panicked Lies? Btw, i would love for You, ANY Pac-fan*, or presumed “expert” to match my confidence in a Mayweather win and go on record as favoring Pacquiao* over Mayweather. otherwise and IMO, it’s a lack of confidence in Pacquiao’s* ability v. Mayweather that is the primary reason for avoiding the matchup. in fact, NObody dares respond to my challenge of how could Mayweather possibly Know that a simple request for stricter testing would compel Pacquiao* to back out of a $25-$50 million payday? How?!?

Posted April 23, 2014 3:33 pm 


Mike Tyson

Tumbo, the issure is pac has offer the test for floyd wanted , everday and after the fight, its not his fault that the boxing commission don’t want it after the fight. because it make they look silly, It could have been taken at a hotel room .

My point is PAC did offer what Floyd asked, a random blood test everyday. So your wrong here.and he did so for the rio fight too. Vada management conferfermed this.

you said this.
the simple FACT that Pacquiao* refused to test is worthy of a big, Fat, RED “*” for ALL time and that’s what he has. Wrong……….

And you do what even I don’t do. How would you like it if I say, PAC beat down Floyd easily a one affair no problem. Thy don’t need to fight..
I call that protecting a favorite fighters from a unsure fight.
And its floyd that useing the blood test as a excuse from fight manny.

No I say both are top fighter one the best of top rank and the other the best of GBP
and let the better man win.

Posted April 23, 2014 3:07 pm 


te tumbo

what’s very funny to me is that no matter how often I post that I do not know nor have ever accused Pacquiao* of using PEDs, my relentless reminder of how Pacquiao* declined to face Mayweather over Random, Harmless, and MUTUALLY-Applied testing compels Pacquiao’s* own fans to conclude the obvious: he’s hiding something. I’ve repeatedly posted my belief that the primary reason for Team Punkuiao* refusing to face Mayweather is their determination to avoid a lopsided and humiliating loss that would severely compromise Pacquioa’s* appeal and earning potential. however, we can’t simply disregard the logical conclusion of Pacquiao’s* own fans who believe that the only reason a fighter avoids testing is to avoid testing dirty. that may very well be the case. after all, NO fighter has declined to test more consistently than Pacquiao*. not even for $50 million to face his primary promotional rival(?!). however, there is no rivalry in a boxing ring. Mayweather would seriously and cruelly humiliate Pacquiao* for a one-sided, anticlimactic, and legacy-defining loss. testing is just an excuse, albeit a severely suspect and inexplicable one.

Posted April 23, 2014 2:32 pm 


Auzbox

Yep I’m on it to ray ray to good of odds to not have a crack. Looking forward to geale v macklin then hopefully our boy gets a shot at GGG

Posted April 23, 2014 6:16 am 


Ray Ray

Auzbox-$2.95 Alvarado? All over it…

Posted April 23, 2014 4:13 am 


Haimat

Only suckers get caught in VADA’s tests or any Olympic tests. Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery, Lance Armstrong and every other known cheater who had proper help did NEVER test positive in any test whatsoever.
A guy like Angel Heredia, every Tour de France team, Conte know exactly how to avoid testing positive. There is a documentary by Der Spiegel where Heredia in detail explains how he works with athletes with different budgets. He’s laughing at VADA’s and the Olympic bodies’ attempts to stop doping. He walks around Mexico City and buys PEDs off the shelf in Pharmacies. Interesting documentary. This is the guy who’s transformed Marquez during the last 3 years, into the beast that he is today.

Posted April 23, 2014 2:57 am 


Haimat

te tumbo is casting suspicion on every fighter except the guy everybody knows is on PEDs, Juan Manuel Marquez. Even Doug Fisher on RingTV has openly admitted on RingTV that Marquez is on PEDs. It’s as well known in boxing as was Lance Armstrong guilty prior to his confession.

Te tumbo is trying to get a conversation going as to Pac’s negotiations with Floyd in 09 somehow is definite proof of PEDs. There is not even a hint of suspicion against Pac except for not agreeing directly to Mayweather’s demands. Still, all posts by te tumbo is suggesting this.

As to Marquez hiring the most well regarded PED expert in the world, who has since in a year’s time, transformed a chubby featherweight into the hardest hitting WW in the biz. Te tumbo refuses to even discuss the matter.

Posted April 23, 2014 2:48 am 


Mike Tyson

Happyboy, I searched and marquez only said that because roach was talking about Marquez might be taking drugs, twiced. so jmm was angry and said if PAC take the test I will take the test. That it.

This is about teams fighting among each other, they do all the time. It’s was not a contract talk thing.

JMM was satfied Because PAC fought Marquez at his best fight weight. 144 lb
Floyd Fought at 147 lb vs 144 lb coming from Jr WW or 137 lb .

He just hated roach to accuse him of ped with no proof. Fighting among camps. Started from roach talking about jmm trainer. Just dirty trash talk back and forth.

Posted April 23, 2014 2:29 am 


Happyboy

” All roads lead to Mayweather ” FACT!

Posted April 23, 2014 1:49 am 


Happyboy

Fact is Manny refused ” mutually applied ” Olympic style drug test in 2009 which JMM was willing to take. Case closed.

Posted April 23, 2014 1:47 am 


Mike Tyson

Tumbo think about this, why can’t they take the test in the manager office instead, because the locker room might be contaminate? The office would be clean,

Or why can’t Floyd say ok you are taking the blood random test everyday 14 day before the fight. If that the case we could skip the day of the fight, but you take it the day after the fight.

steroid takes a while to work. It’s not a magic pill. I had a friend who was a user a body builder, he dead now. But steroid is a on season off season thing, it takes time to work and if you stop it’s in your muscle. You will test positive. So skipping one day is stupid t will still show , a excuse not to fight.
Bottom line manny said he take the blood test everyday and missing one day wasn’t good enough for stupid Floyd.

Posted April 23, 2014 12:16 am 


Mike Tyson

Tumbo,that article you earlier posed was about Floyd and manny not about aziza taking about Marquez . He asking about manny and the test for Floyd fight, read it again.

And talk about what I said PAC will take the random the blood test anyday (14 day or 30 day before the fight , but on the day of the ight is after the fight as it the same day.

So atiza say, the boxing commission says that they can’t have it after the fight, it would be contaminated.

STILL ASKING FOR A CUT-OFF DATE some time during the weeks prior to the bout. “We’re not going to test on the day of the fight. then the problem is the commission told us that they won’t do that because it’s not sterile in the dressing rooms. Will we give blood 5 days, 7 days before the fight.

This article sound tainted, writer do all the time, add only word that tainted a article to what they want. And skip other word that they want missing so it make no sense, this sound like one.

Look at paulie interview, tw diffrent writer wrote what Allie said about PAC , and one was paulie praise PAC and the other paulie insulted PAC. The truth is paulie insulted PAC , the other guys just added the good parts and left out a lot of bad what paulie said about PAC.
They story diffrents .

Posted April 23, 2014 12:00 am 


Mike Tyson

Tumbo, read good, it’s. Contract that was payed and comfermed. The test is reserved And pay for. she just announced that vada is doing the test for the fight. It’s good as gold.

Manny Pacquiao signed a contract Wednesday morning to accept the kind of Olympic-style drug testing
Pacquiao’s deal with the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association ensures that he will be randomly tested for performance enhancing drug usage prior to his Nov. 23 (Nov. 24 in China) welterweight bout with Brandon Rios at Cotai Arena in Macau, China. It is not known if Rios has signed the paperwork yet, but he has agreed to do so.

VADA’s Dr. Margaret Goodman confirmed to Yahoo! Sports on Monday that she had received payment for the testing for Pacquiao and Rios, but said she hadn’t received the signed contracts from the fighters. Top Rank now has Pacquiao’s signed contract and is going to forward that to VADA.

Posted April 22, 2014 11:44 pm 


te tumbo

TYSON, that is an incoherent cluster of one inexplicable “dispute” and another completely non-related instance of routine drug testing, which does not explain or shed any light on why Pacquiao* insisted on “disputing” Floyd’s condition of MUTUALLY-Applied testing in the first place(?!). unless he either 1) avoided Floyd and a lopsided loss or 2) had something else to hide(?). i strongly and justifiably suspect the former, which doesn’t necessarily rule-out the latter.

Posted April 22, 2014 11:33 pm 


te tumbo

COGNITOR, i may clown on Manny’s* gullible fans and equally-gullible “experts” but I don’t hate Manny* one bit. what i actually feel when I post about Manny* is like the guy shouting that “the emperor has no clothes!?!” you’ve read my posts. i’ve listed every loose and missing thread. I’ve also posted that he’s a very good and dangerous fighter with an explosive Left but that’s not good enough for Pacmaniacs*, which isn’t my problem. Pacquiao* gaming the sport and compromising its integrity for the sole purpose of personal gain is and believe it or not, that is all I feel about Pacquiao*.

Posted April 22, 2014 11:27 pm 


Mike Tyson

Tumbo, ok back .I have some time now so I will do some searching.

Manny Pacquiao (L) and Brandon Rios will undergo drug testing prior to their Nov. 23 bout. (AP)
Manny Pacquiao signed a contract Wednesday morning to accept the kind of Olympic-style drug testing that Floyd Mayweather Jr. has been demanding his opponents agree to since 2010.
Pacquiao’s deal with the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association ensures that he will be randomly tested for performance enhancing drug usage prior to his Nov. 23 (Nov. 24 in China) welterweight bout with Brandon Rios at Cotai Arena in Macau, China. It is not known if Rios has signed the paperwork yet, but he has agreed to do so.

Manny Pacquiao hugs his wife, Jinkee, on the Great Wall of China (AP)
VADA’s Dr. Margaret Goodman confirmed to Yahoo! Sports on Monday that she had received payment for the testing for Pacquiao and Rios, but said she hadn’t received the signed contracts from the fighters. Top Rank now has Pacquiao’s signed contract and is going to forward that to VADA.
The much ballyhooed fight between Pacquiao and Mayweather fell apart in a dispute over drug testing. The parties were close to a deal near Christmas 2009 for a March 2010 bout when it fell apart in a dispute over drug testing. Pacquiao has publicly said several times since that he would fully agree to the testing, but the fight never was held.

Posted April 22, 2014 11:16 pm 


Floyd’s issue

Floyd is afraid. He needs to grow a pair and stop with the excuses. Also, he wants to keep all the revenue, he is like Arum, make $150 million dollars (if he faces Pac), give Pac 40, keep the rest…
The fact that he is PPV king is because he is fighting Mexicans always on May 3rd. He is fake, a scam artist. Check out clips on youtube how many excuses this little man has not to fight Pac…embarrassing….

Posted April 22, 2014 9:40 pm 


cognitor

Te Tumbo, I’ve read your posts as long as I have been here and you have never changed. You actually hate Manny Pacquiao for some strange reason. What did he do to you? I assume you are hispanic but that can’t be the sole reason for hating on Manny. Did some 5 feet 6 Filipino beat you up once? I personally don’t think Manny has a chance against FM or even some of the young new comers but hating on Manny is just strange. he’s a figure you’ll never meet so just chill out. These guys are just professional athletes.

Posted April 22, 2014 9:34 pm 


te tumbo

“it’s clear to everyone that you attached that asterisk to Pac’s name . . .” to commemorate him being the dastardly First. don’t twist it, or minimize it, or try and sweep it under a rug as IF it never-Ever happened. is that your preference? to uphold Pacquiao’s* saintly image at the expense of the entire sport and it’s true and active greats? Not On This Fight-Fan’s Watch.

Posted April 22, 2014 8:52 pm 


te tumbo

“Marquez vs Alvarado is on regular HBO. Good. That’s how these fights should be” Co-Sign. that card that Arum put together for Pacquiao* v. Bradley was HBO After Dark caliber. in terms of the matchups and the results. Marquez v. Alvarado is a little better if only because it promises to be a shootout but regular HBO is where it belongs.

Posted April 22, 2014 8:50 pm 


Hecdog

Hidalg0 my friend, thank you for that kind post in defense of me. Very much appreciated. I truly enjoy this site because of the passion that so many like yourself have. There’s no need to make fake posts. Most of you know my post writing style an know what I would and wouldn’t write. And it’s okay for anyone to disagree with me. I don’t ever take it personal, and I hope others don’t as well. Yeah sometimes I get a bit crazy, and some of you think I’m nuts for supporting Manny Pacquiao over and over, but I enjoy the rags to riches story of the man and the myth. Thanks again my friend.

Posted April 22, 2014 8:41 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Marquez vs Alvarado is on regular HBO. Good. That’s how these fights should be. The only PPV cards must be legit Superfights with a solid undercard. Anything less they can GTFO.

Posted April 22, 2014 8:06 pm 


Auzbox

Pretty sure this is Marquez v Alvarado. You gotta get PAC off your mind boys he is the champ again and has won his fight.

Posted April 22, 2014 7:11 pm 


Hecdog

Pacquiao coward steroid user

Posted April 22, 2014 7:04 pm 


Hecdog

Pacquiao pulled out of the march 2010 fight with Mayweather. That’s the truth plain and simple.

Posted April 22, 2014 7:04 pm 


Hecdog

JMM has whipped Manny 4 times

Posted April 22, 2014 7:02 pm 


ordinary boxing fan

Lord, this is about Alvarado-Marquez. Please exorcise people of the ghost haunting them. Alvarado by decision. Marquez already too old.

Posted April 22, 2014 6:25 pm 


te tumbo

the simple FACT that Pacquiao* refused to test is worthy of a big, Fat, RED “*” for ALL time and that’s what he has.

Posted April 22, 2014 5:49 pm 


te tumbo

“there is no proof whatsoever that Pac did PEDS” but that Pacquiao* refused to test is an irrefutable FACT. whose accusing Pacquiao* of using PEDs? i’m accusing him of avoiding a certain loss v. Mayweather. the test was just an excuse, albeit an inexplicable one.

Posted April 22, 2014 5:48 pm 


Big Ham

Te Tumbo, there is no proof whatsoever that Pac did PEDS. So it is a pretty small aterisk. There is PLENTY of proof that Floyd Mayweather is a ducker and a coward, that is a big aterisk next to his legacey. Which aterisk would you rather have?

Posted April 22, 2014 5:29 pm 


Big Ham

If i were clean i would not want to take olympic style PED testing. If my opponents was a known drug cheat then i would consider it, and i would have a cutoff date within 3 days of the fight. With heavy testing done after the fight. Here is the thing about giving blood. First you have to get down weight..fighters cut 10lbs of water in the days leading up to fight. It is extremely tiring to do so. Giving up more blood on top the water you just cut is not something to look forward to. Secondly a false positive can ruin your career. Many supplements, common OTC medicines,even food can test positive. There once a soccer team that had over 100 guys test positive that was linked to meat. In the Olympics they flat at tell you do not eat the local Chinese meat, or you will test positive. The commissions have no accountability for these either. If you test positive from something that was legal, it is your fault not theirs.

Posted April 22, 2014 5:26 pm 


te tumbo

Random and MUTUALLY-Applied blood and urine testing. NO conditions. NO cut-off dates. Pacquiao* either agrees to test or he will always carry the “*” next to his shamed name.

Posted April 22, 2014 5:17 pm 


te tumbo

HAIMAT, the glaring omission in your posts is a challenge for both Mayweather and Pacquiao* to agree to stricter anti-doping methods to eliminate any and every suspicion of PED use. unfortunately, stricter testing is precisely what Pacquiao* refuses to agree too. Marquez agreed to it. Ortiz agreed to it. Mosley agreed to it. Guerrero agreed to it. Cotto agreed to it. Canelo agreed to it. Rios agreed to it. Wtf is Pacquiao* hiding? Wtf is he so afraid of?

Posted April 22, 2014 5:15 pm 


Haimat

PEEJ, you’re the dumbest poster on ESB by far. Reading a post by you hurts because you lose brain cells just by reading it.

Posted April 22, 2014 5:13 pm 


te tumbo

“I not got to say this or say that because that what we already said, it’s confuse what he said”. actually, what Ariza stated was as clear as day. he clearly explained that Heredia had Marquez training in the same fashion that Ariza trained Pacquiao* when he was moving up in weight. nothing complicated or confusing there. anyway TYSON, enjoy a good one yourself. till next time.

Posted April 22, 2014 5:12 pm 


PEEJ

I am not on the so called witch hunt for PEDs either. But I am not against fighters wanting to take more stringent drug testing. And if an opponent is not willing to do it especially if the guy asking for the test is flipping the bill then I do have an issue with that. And if you come up with very ridiculous excuses on why you can’t take a test then I have an issue with that too. Doesn’t make you guilty but makes you very suspicious.

Posted April 22, 2014 5:01 pm 


Mike Tyson

Well Better start Lunch and start my day, been fun, your fair, who know? Both sides promoters might be taking us for a ride till they meet at the end, who knows. Its a corrupted world, Have a nice one tumbo.

Posted April 22, 2014 4:59 pm 


PEEJ

Fact Checkers, you know Texas is one of the worst when it comes to drug testing right? I know, I live in Texas. Also you do know Pac does not like to do the enhanced testing. He has proven this over and over, the only time he so called did it was when he was over seas in China. So do what your name says and fact check

Posted April 22, 2014 4:59 pm 


Mike Tyson

Tumbo , aziz talk too much and say I not got to say this or say that because that what we already said, it’s confuse what he said,

This is important . “the problem is the commission told us that they won’t do that because it’s not sterile in the dressing rooms” . He talking about having the test after the fight as. Not as PAC want before the fight.

So think he saying its not everyday because manny will not Change and take blood the test before the fight because they can’t take it after the fight.

Really this one day missing or not after the fight is a poor reason. Floyd should have said one day missing is no big deal the day after the fight then take the blood test is ok too.
.

Posted April 22, 2014 4:52 pm 


Haimat

Angel Heredia is no Strength and Conditioning Coach. He’s a former Discus thrower who got caught using PEDs and has since administered PEDs and advised world class athletes how to intake PEDs in the most efficient way without a risk of getting caught. He was hired by Marion Jones for years and guided her to super stardom without ever testing positive. Apparently she trained for 8 or 9 hours a day without getting injured. That’s crazy sh*t.

The posters on here claiming that Heredia is a training guru or whatever. WAKE UP! He’s a fat dude who knows everything about PEDs. That’s it. Nothing else to it. Press play on the youtube video and see what PEDs can do to a 40 yo featherweight.

Posted April 22, 2014 4:46 pm 


Boxtradamus

Marquez by stoppage.

Posted April 22, 2014 4:42 pm 


Haimat

te tumbo, you keep avoiding the obvious fact here. Juan Manuel Marquez is a PED user. Watch his transformation after hiring Angel Heredia. It’s obvious and you keep on repeating the same BS “he said ‘NO’ to Olympic style testing” It’s irrelevant to anybody with an IQ above 70.

Let’s talk Marquez. Are you seriously suggesting that JMM is not on PEDs?

Posted April 22, 2014 4:41 pm 


te tumbo

“What did jmm, wanted blood test?” TYSON, Marquez issued the challenge on camera, in public, during the 24/7 build-up to III and IV. his response was so powerfully unequivocal, that it even slammed a lid on Roach’s unrelenting trash-talking ass-hole. a boxing first.

Posted April 22, 2014 4:33 pm 


te tumbo

TYSON: “KONCZ CONFIRMS PACQUIAO HAS NOT AGREED TO RANDOM DRUG TESTS WITH NO CUT-OFF DATE
By Gary Reynolds | July 07, 2011
Michael Koncz, recently confirmed that they have NOT agreed to the random blood and urine drug tests that Mayweather wants prior to all of his fights. “Yeah, well we agreed to, in the past, random testing as long as when we get tested, he gets tested, up to 14 days,” Koncz revealed in an interview with FightHype’s own Ben Thompson, making it clear that THEY’RE STILL ASKING FOR A CUT-OFF DATE some time during the weeks prior to the bout. “We’re not going to test on the day of the fight. I’m not going to sit here and tell you yes, we’ll agree to do tests that day or not, but What we’ve done in the past, we’ve agreed to give blood immediately after the fight, but then the problem is the commission told us that they won’t do that because it’s not sterile in the dressing rooms. Will we give blood 5 days, 7 days before the fight? You know, that’s something I have to talk to Manny about, but we have nothing to hide. I certainly can tell you we will not give any type of blood on the day of the fight”. TYSON, let’s not cite any more BullSh*t about Pacquiao* agreeing to Floyd’s testing condition. not even for $50 million. he’s as Suspect as they come. otherwise, Wtf is he so afraid of that Floyd, Shane, Ortiz, Guerrero, Cotto, and Canelo were not?

Posted April 22, 2014 4:29 pm 


Mike Tyson

Floyd was posting 8 times on twitter, having fun said PAC only want me for the cash.
So PAC ok let’s fight. We both agree to give “our” not other people to money charity.

Peopl said his is too stupid to be true, no. It’s not because PAC owe back taxes and donation are 100% use as paying back taxes and carry over credit to the next year taxes.
Meaning its a pluss on manny side and he wanted to fight right away.

And that was they last we heard from Floyd bad mouthing PAC on twitter.

Posted April 22, 2014 4:16 pm 


Mike Tyson

The truth Is Floyd just keep moveing the gold post again right after PAC said that, over and over now it’s arum.

Posted April 22, 2014 4:08 pm 


moonshineman

Hidalg0

LOL moonshineman. Juan is SO going to work Alvarado over. It will be a great fight while it lasts though.
Posted April 22, 2014 4:04 pm

You are probably right, but i’m still going with Alvarado.

Posted April 22, 2014 4:05 pm 


Mike Tyson

Tumbo he finally gave in on the last negoacition, he said everyday before the fight I will take blood test and on the day of the fight it’s after the fight, it the same day.

Posted April 22, 2014 4:03 pm 


moonshineman

Alverado wins.

Posted April 22, 2014 4:02 pm 


Big Ham

Also guys on JMM, if he really wanted to do PEDS. Do you think the smartest way to do that would be to hire a convicted steroid dealer as his conditioning coach? Do you think it is hard to find PEDS in mexico that drugs are hard to come by there. And do you not think if he wanted to juice he could do it a little more discreetly than by hiring a known drug cheater. Heredia and Victor Conte ARE also well known nutritional science and training guru’s. They do have a backround in that and are considered the best. I think they are probably not worth the money and people should do their own research what they put in their bod. But rich fighters want to hire who they think are the best. I do not think JMM, PAC, or Mayweather have used PEDS. Floyd has used anethesia painkillers in his hands and that is about it.

Posted April 22, 2014 4:01 pm 


Mike Tyson

I think jmm was happy enough to get the rematch, PAC fought coming from 147-148 down to jmm jrWW best fighting weight. 144 lb I taught this was stupid, even food fought JMM coming from 137 lb up to 145 to Floyd moving from 150 lb to meet at 145 jmm to Floyd 157 lb.

So JMMhad noreason to fear PAC as he fought Floyd coming from 150 lb . And Jmm coming from 137 lb gaining 7 lb to 145 lb.

Posted April 22, 2014 3:59 pm 


Big Ham

PEEJ , stamina based peds like say Asthma inahlers or blood packing, or EPO, tend to work on the spot not in advance. They would have to be taken more towards the day of the fight. And they are easier to detect. Most PEDS are cycled hormones that are used weeks and months ahead of the fight, and are stopped (cycled) a certain time ahead of the fight. Many are designer testosterones that are supposedly non dectectable, then become detectable when the testing catches up to the news ones. Then new ones are made again. I am off the PED witchunt bandwagon big time becsuse i feel the real issue in boxing is the best not fighting the best due to promotional and network stalemates. Followed by bad decisions and judging. That is what needs to be “cleaned up” in boxing. I think if we knew the truth magically, you all would be very disapointed by how little of a presence PEDS have played in elite level boxing. I think PEDS mostly benefit journalists and guys on message forums that like write about them.

Posted April 22, 2014 3:55 pm 


Mike Tyson

What did jmm, wanted blood test? I never heard non of this, can you copy the article? If not there is ton of talk on the web and is writer garbage it’s poster got it wrong.

Posted April 22, 2014 3:52 pm 


te tumbo

“I’ve never said Pacquiao HAS or DID take PED’s, but what I can say is he said ‘NO’ to Olympic style testing…and that, is a fact” when he became the first fighter to ever decline stricter anti-doping testing, he made it clear that he had something to hide. hence the well-earned “*” following Pacquiao’s* name for all time.

Posted April 22, 2014 3:49 pm 


Mike Tyson

PAC court case was proof enough that was the main issuer, he won , it’s was slander without proof was what started this mess
So moving futher boxer pride alone will prevent further giving in. Trust me you or me a guys calls you a fag would you bend down further to his demands? Of course it’ll you cream this up is this a joke, Respect was not shown,you have o clear this up before you go forward and bend down to his demand, right?

As I said PAC compiled to everyday blood testing. Then Floyd wanted the fight at MGM. The math at MGM at 8 seats thousand and room can’t get 100 million, to has be at a large stadium.

The weight stuff was just early small junk that mop up later. So PAC did complied for a drug test every day before the fight.

Posted April 22, 2014 3:47 pm 


te tumbo

“JMM is a beast and” repeatedly challenged Pacquiao* to stricter testing, which Pacquiao* refused. besides, it was Ariza who insisted that Marquez was only training like Pacquiao* used to train. Ariza made the direct comparison while praising Heredia’s work with Marquez and Ariza would know.

Posted April 22, 2014 3:41 pm 


Titopa

I’ve never said Pacquiao HAS or DID take PED’s, but what I can say is he said “NO” to Olympic style testing…and that, is a fact.

Posted April 22, 2014 3:41 pm 


Titopa

Haimat – What you’re saying about Heredia is true, but that still doesn’t explain why Pacquiao said “NO” to Olympic style testing. That’s all it really boils down to.

Posted April 22, 2014 3:40 pm 


te tumbo

“Still you’re saying that Manny is on PEDs . . .” NO. you can’t find a single post of mine accusing Pacquiao* of being on PEDs. YOU are simply arriving at the logical conclusion to any fighter rejecting Harmless, Random, and MUTUALLY-Applied testing to face their primary P4P rival. the evidence is circumstantial but I agree with You: it’s a definite red-flag regarding Pacquiao’s* professional integrity.

Posted April 22, 2014 3:39 pm 


te tumbo

HAIMAT, You Don’t Get SH*T. you LOVE Pacquiao*. i LOVE Boxing. you can pout and whine about “hate” all you want but what you caN’T do is provide a sober response to my challenge: How could Mayweather possibly know that random testing would discourage Pacquiao* from facing his primary P4P rival and collect a $25-$50 million payday and enduring ring-glory? HOW could Mayweather possibly KNOW that?

Posted April 22, 2014 3:35 pm 


Haimat

te tumbo, we get it. You hate Pacquiao. Fair enough I couldn’t care less.

Still you’re saying that Manny is on PEDs due to all kinds of weird reasons but Juan Manuel Marquez who transformed himself from a piss drinking, fat featherweight trying to fight Floyd at WW to a monster with a tremendous KO punch. This reasoning is flawed. Juan Manuel hired to most well known, convicted PED doctor in the biz. Heredia has made interviews on documentaries where he in detail explains how he works with PEDs and how he avoids the stupid VADA and Olympic tests. JMM is guiltier than Armstrong. He has PEDs tattooed on his forehead.

Still, according to te tumbo, JMM is a beast and is in no way a suspect of PEDs :) Manny on the other hand, without a trace of suspicion is guilty according to te tumbo. Cangrats! Peas.

Posted April 22, 2014 3:32 pm 


Fact Checkers

Why can’t Floyd May weather fight in Texas?because he’s juiced and using enhancing drugs banned in Texas.Pacquiao CAN FIGHT anywhere in the world.check the facts be u even open up boca

Posted April 22, 2014 3:32 pm 


te tumbo

TYSON, there is literally nothing to negotiate when it comes to Harmless, Random, and MUTUALLY-Applied drug-testing. MUTUALLY-Applied means that Pacquiao* would only be required to undergo testing identical to Floyd’s. That’s-It. there is NOTHING to negotiate. Btw, Team Pacquiao* never objected to the integrity of the testing. they only insisted on haggling over the established and standard testing protocol, which is inexplicable at best and a serious red-flag at worst, i.e., Wtf does Pacquiao* fear? Wtf is he hiding? finally, while Pacquiao* had reason to believe that Mayweather would balk his unprecedented $10 million overweight condition that Floyd ultimately agreed too, how could Floyd possibly know that Harmless, Random, and MUTUALLY-Applied testing would be a deal-breaker for Pacquiao*? HOW?!?

Posted April 22, 2014 3:23 pm 


Anonymous

they are all on the juice period.

Posted April 22, 2014 2:59 pm 


Anonymous

Someone please put a foot in te tumbo’s mouth…what a creep.

Posted April 22, 2014 2:56 pm 


Mike Tyson

tumbo. When you say PAC has refuse a drug test, you mean a random blood test leading up to the fight right?

Let me explain how it’s started, it’s the way the Floyd and his dad introduce the blood test in boxing. If they did it the right way they would have not been a problem.

Floyd sr accuse manny of steroid use first and he not fighting my son he could die etc, and kept on going, then Floyd said a something too.
Floyd intention was to anger manny and he did so manny sued as as a slander of his reputation etc. and to prove this PAC won the case. A undisclosed amount.

So if Floyd wanted testing in boxing he did it all Wong and improvised on the fly. He should have told pop to shut up. And put this blood testing coward to the boxing commission. And say as a promoter of floyd boxing going forward I will only fight fighter who take the test.this would put pressure on manny .

It’s was the way steriord was blamed first. And anger mean PAC said why do I have to prove myself.

In the last negotiation PAC gave in but said everday up to the day of the fight I will take randon blood test, but on the day of the fight I will take the test after the fight, so it the same day or he take the blood test everyday, right? writer wrote PAC refuse the blood test everyday.

So it was the way he was accuse of steriord use first was a shocker for even me as a long time fan. To give Floyd a chance to cut in line and fight PAC and being told no fight because you use steriord cause a lot of hate and anger, if he did it the right way before the boxing commission all fighter need to compile he not saying its him only, but he was accuse of taking steriord, or cheating to be where he at , big diffrences in politeness .

See floyd was retired 3-1/2 years and manny made a name for himself during this time.

Posted April 22, 2014 2:37 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

I know “Mile High” Mike is a big underdog and will likely lose this fight, but I’m rooting for him to pull off the upset. I’d rather not see JMM go out with another loss to PacMan — which is exactly what will happen if they fight again.

Dig deep and kick his @$$ Mike!!!

Posted April 22, 2014 2:25 pm 


PEEJ

I disagree with that. I thought Mosley beat Oscar the 2nd time. Oscar wasn’t landing anything, just throwing combinations. But again nothing landed. The deal with PED use is the fact that it can give you more stamina. There are different PEDs out there. Imagine if you see a fighter who after lets say 8 rounds starts to get tired and then he uses PEDs and after 8 rounds he just gets stronger and stronger. That would be an issue. Look at Bradley in the 2nd fight against Pac. Notice he was fatigued after pretty much 6 or 7 rounds and you could tell. Now imagine if he fights that same fight but doesn’t get tired and just got stronger because of PED use. You don’t think that that would matter?

Posted April 22, 2014 1:07 pm 


Big Ham

I would love to see PED’s debunked and have a fighter allowed to be on anything, for a fight, and then have him fight clean in his following fights. To see the difference. Another thing you guys are not factoring in is once steroid users stop using steroids their bodies absolutely deteriorate. At best it can only be a short term benefit. It destroys your natural production of hormones. Ask Jose Canseco, or if you want to look at a fighter a heavyweight who benefited from it and then crashed when he had to get off of it. Look up Allistair Overreem. If Manny Pacquiao was on PEDS as long as you guys claim he was. He probably would not even be able to get a boner to cheat on his wife without a drug assisting him. :)

Posted April 22, 2014 1:04 pm 


Big Ham

Now some examples for all you PED nuthuggers. Fernando Vargas, looked as cut and ripped as he ever has when he fought ODLH, He gassed out and got knocked out. He also did not look as fluid and as good a combination puncher as when he was chunky when he fought Wright, Quartey, Vargas. Shane Mosely looked great in his early and mid career, and his best performance was after his drug era against Margarito with proper gameplan a new trainer (Naz). He looked like crap when he was on Balco, he should have lost that rematch to Oscar hands down. The REAL controversy should not have been Balco it should have been how in the hell the judges gave him that fight. The fighters that have been caught for PEDS are generally LOSERS. The other issue with peds testing is any number of non PED components can give you a false positive, anything from cough syrup to poppy seeds on a bagel. Forced testing is just kissing the a$$ of government agencies and big Pharma.

Posted April 22, 2014 12:59 pm 


Big Ham

PED chats are lame. I don’t feel it makes a difference in boxing. If you weight 189lbs as a baseball player and then get up to 230lbs then it helped you. In track and field if you gain a fraction of a second in speed then it helped you. In boxing if you go up one weight class with steroid muscle, you are gonna get your a$$ kicked by guys that are naturally larger than you and have a larger frame. Boxing is about skills and i can name you several incidents where fighters have tested dirty ( if they ever were dirty, since tests are so inaccurate) where they performed under their usual standards and looked worse than when they were alleged to be clean. LONG TERM dedication to nutrition and natural health done with intelligence is superior to synthetic PEDS. Who would you favor Chris Arreola with outstanding natural nutrition, or him on steroids? Seriously.

Posted April 22, 2014 12:53 pm 


Big Ham

This is a crap fight. Alvarado looked absolutely shot. Different style though with JMM.. i expect Mike to have a 12 lb advantage come fight night. I still like JMM though.

Posted April 22, 2014 12:49 pm 


te tumbo

“What te tumbo is saying is basically is all athletes that use a strength and conditioning coach are on PEDs”. Nope. that’s what A-Rod’s supplier said in his 60 minutes interview. “when I hear that a player has hired a ‘strength and conditioning’, that’s a red-flag. I immediately know that he’s on a program”. Btw, NO Pacquiao* fan can answer the following question/challenge: how could Mayweather possibly know that stricter testing would become a deal-breaker for Pacquiao*? How could he possibly know that? . . . anyone?

Posted April 22, 2014 10:37 am 


te tumbo

Pacquiao* is the ONLY fighter to reject facing his primary P4P rival and collect a $50 million payday over stricter and MUTUALLY-Applied testing. Manny* is either afraid of losing or being caught. whatever the case, Pacquiao* is hiding something. otherwise, he would take any test, any time because he has nothing to hide. Wtf is Pacquiao* so afraid of, anyway?

Posted April 22, 2014 10:33 am 


te tumbo

“Comparing Angel Heredia to Alex Ariza or any other trainer with no history of PEDs at all is ridiculous”. Ariza made the direct comparison, which makes your citation yet another example of Pactarded* piss and gossip . . . NEXT?

Posted April 22, 2014 10:30 am 


Hecdog

Manny Pacquiao has never cheated in his life regardless of who was in his camp. His power started when he was born. Watch his earlier fights, and you see natural power. He’s a born puncher. He’s always had power. Didn’t he just pass the tough testing against Rios and passed with flying colors. Rios failed. Ped Man Marquez as I will state again hired the PED SUPPLIER to the UNITED STATES TRACK AND FIELD TEAM. This desperate fighter went out and SPECIFICALLY got Angel Hereida to get him more strength and conditioning and any and all costs, and he did. Have any of you heard his tapes clearly stating that he could MASK ANYTHING. ANYTHING means everything, and he also knows and knew what the NSAC tests for months out. Now, please tell me why Ped Man Marquez lied on an interview saying he knew NOTHING about Hereida and Nacho also said he knew nothing????? Liars, simply liars, and a few days later they changed their stories. Come on people, did you see Ped Man Marquez look like a monster silver back gorilla in there. You can’t hide the truth. If it looks like a crook, walks like a crook and talks like a crook, guess what? it’s a crook. You don’t have to have a body to be to be guilty of murder. Think people, had any of you ever seen Manny go flying 3 feet in the air after being hit by Ped Man Marquez early in the fight? NO, he had fought Manny 3 previous times, and never once flew like that after any punch. And you can’t tell me an athlete gets better and stronger at 40 years of age. No way possible. I saw Ped Man Marquez fight a Russian fighter in Mexico, and he looked old, slow, and was being hit with everything. His body looked like that of an old aging fighter. He then fights Manny Pacquiao and looks muscle bound, forehead was huge, and he was so off balance because his legs could not balance his muscle bound upper body. Remember what Hereida said. He could mask anything. Ped Man Marquez sure didn’t look the same against Bradley. Hmm…Wonder why? Becuase they were on to him, and he was getting tested yet he still tried to find a way out of it. Manny on the other hand had agreed to do all testing against Mayweather. He gave in to all demands, and Mayweather ran. End of story. Manny has never had anything to hide. He’s as clean as sprinkling water. He’s always been ripped because of his lean body, and he appears bigger than he is. The truth is that he has a featherweight build, and all he has added moving up in weight is muscle. I do wonder why on earth they continue to let Hereida in boxing at all. This man should be banned. He’s a lying, coniving cheat, and trust me, cheaters hang out with cheaters. Manny Pacquiao is a legend that has tremendous character inside and outside the ring. Millions love him. He is a man of God and lives by the truth. His boxing abilities are the best. People take shots at him because of envy and jealousy. he’s not a liar or cheater, but a man with class, sincerity, humbleness and he helps those people in need. Money does not matter to Manny Pacquiao. He’s already proved to be arguably the greatest fighter of all time. His legacy is cemented. On Saturday night, you see him devour a fighter that is not on Manny’s level. Afterwards, what excuses will be left for anyone to use against Manny Pacquiao. Both Bradley and Manny Pacquiao will be tested. How about Ped Man Marquez and Alkvarado, are they being tested? No, no, no, no. Just imagine what Hereida, Nacho and Ped Man Marquez will have in store. And why would any commission allow this? Why would Alvarado allow this? Money is the root of all evil. It can buy anything and everything, and it does.

Posted April 22, 2014 10:27 am 


PEEJ

Pac is using a strength and conditioning coach who supports the use of PED use and actually has a youtube video of him saying this. Ariza has also been associated with fighters who have come up dirty. Not saying Pac is dirty but if you claim Marquez is dirty then you also think Pac is dirty

Posted April 22, 2014 10:13 am 


Haimat

What te tumbo is saying is basically “all athletes that use a strength and conditioning coach are on PEDs”, not just the once that use a convicted and admitted PED doctor such as Angel Heredia. It’s logic without logic. Makes no sense.

Posted April 22, 2014 8:38 am 


Haimat

Te tumbo, Pacquiao hasn’t mentioned Angel Heredia nor has any member of his team. They accepted the loss and went on without whining. It’s called class.
Heredia’s expertise is administering advanced PEDs to top athletes while avoiding getting caught in any tests administered by VADA or any other test organization. Heredia had Marion Jones training 8-9 hours a day without getting injured. He’s very good at his job.

Comparing Angel Heredia to Alex Ariza or any other trainer with no history of PEDs at all is ridiculous.

I see you’re a huge Marquez fan but try to use arguments that are valid otherwise your credibility quickly falls to zero.

Posted April 22, 2014 8:31 am 


Haimat

DMX LOL :)

It’s a shame that Marquez is roiding at such a high level. He’s basically unbeatable if you try to exchange with him or try to knock the Roid out. A fast boxer with decent footwork and a disciplined game plan will beat him every time.

Posted April 22, 2014 8:15 am 


DMX

It will break Marquez’s drug induced heart
When his little scrawny half blind weak sissy son tells him he wants to be a woman
Hopefully he will say it after “roid father” has just completed 1500 one armed press ups and drunk two litres of his and possibly his trainers wee wee

The shame

Posted April 22, 2014 7:53 am 


Auzbox

2.95 Alvarado ray ray I’m on for 50

Posted April 22, 2014 5:55 am 


Ray Ray

Iv laid down 4 an upset here….Alvarado 4 me.

Posted April 22, 2014 5:37 am 


Ray Ray

DMX- Ha ha ha Gold….T-Rex & Roo Poors, funny.

Posted April 22, 2014 5:35 am 


moonshineman

Look at Marquez’s head. It’s getting higher up on his body.

Posted April 9, 2014 5:31 pm 


RAYGORDON REID

m arquez

Posted April 9, 2014 7:03 am 


DMX

Why
when fighters have a short reach
do they refer to people stating “crocodile arms” . . . “T Rex arms”. Or little “kangaroo arms”
Is it politically incorrect to say little “spasmo or monggy arms”

Posted April 9, 2014 5:34 am 


te tumbo

Really though? i think Marquez may once again be too small and that we’ll watch him have very difficult time trying to stretch his little crocodile arms far enough to consistently tag Alvarado without paying a stiff price. Marquez is no natural welter, which is why he matches up so well v. the other feather-welter of the division. ever wonder why Pacquiao* isn’t too fast for an “older”, “smaller”, and “slower” Marquez? just another day in the featherweight office for Juan.

Posted April 9, 2014 12:29 am 


Hidalg0

“Are you sure?.”

Pretty sure. I doubt Mike will ever have three fists. So I feel confident in making that claim. :)

Really though, Juan is going to give him a serious schooling.

Posted April 8, 2014 11:21 pm 


moonshineman

Hidalg0

Moonshineman, name the last person to knock out Juan Manuel Marquez. Answer: Nobody.

Mike Alvarado couldn’t knock out JMM if he had three fists.
Posted April 8, 2014 2:21 pm

Are you sure?.

Posted April 8, 2014 6:21 pm 


Hidalg0

Moonshineman, name the last person to knock out Juan Manuel Marquez. Answer: Nobody.

Mike Alvarado couldn’t knock out JMM if he had three fists.

Posted April 8, 2014 2:21 pm 


moonshineman

Alvarado by knockout………

Posted April 8, 2014 10:57 am 


third world

tough fight for marquez. i think alvarado will be strong at 147.interesting fight. the thing is,alvarado started boxing at a late age. i’ll take marquez by late stoppage.

Posted April 8, 2014 9:19 am 


Jonn E. JaGozza

My only comment on this article is that Marquez has been in the fight game perhaps a bit too long, he made a ton of money, and had his moments of glory now, champ, retire and enjoy your great Mexican heritage and country… you deserve it , you were one of the all time great ones… Boxingdictionary.com “The Language of the Ring

Posted April 8, 2014 8:51 am 


RAYGORDON REID

marquez

Posted April 8, 2014 7:37 am 


DMX

Chris “the Dragon” John gave the blue print on how to beat JMM
He offered him a rematch
JMM chose to walk away

Posted April 8, 2014 3:45 am 


Hecdog

Manny Pacquiao has never cheated in his life regardless of who was in his camp. His power started when he was born. Watch his earlier fights, and you see natural power. He’s a born puncher. He’s always had power. Didn’t he just pass the tough testing against Rios and passed with flying colors. Rios failed. Ped Man Marquez as I will state again hired the PED SUPPLIER to the UNITED STATES TRACK AND FIELD TEAM. This desperate fighter went out and SPECIFICALLY got Angel Hereida to get him more strength and conditioning and any and all costs, and he did. Have any of you heard his tapes clearly stating that he could MASK ANYTHING. ANYTHING means everything, and he also knows and knew what the NSAC tests for months out. Now, please tell me why Ped Man Marquez lied on an interview saying he knew NOTHING about Hereida and Nacho also said he knew nothing????? Liars, simply liars, and a few days later they changed their stories. Come on people, did you see Ped Man Marquez look like a monster silver back gorilla in there. You can’t hide the truth. If it looks like a crook, walks like a crook and talks like a crook, guess what? it’s a crook. You don’t have to have a body to be to be guilty of murder. Think people, had any of you ever seen Manny go flying 3 feet in the air after being hit by Ped Man Marquez early in the fight? NO, he had fought Manny 3 previous times, and never once flew like that after any punch. And you can’t tell me an athlete gets better and stronger at 40 years of age. No way possible. I saw Ped Man Marquez fight a Russian fighter in Mexico, and he looked old, slow, and was being hit with everything. His body looked like that of an old aging fighter. He then fights Manny Pacquiao and looks muscle bound, forehead was huge, and he was so off balance because his legs could not balance his muscle bound upper body. Remember what Hereida said. He could mask anything. Ped Man Marquez sure didn’t look the same against Bradley. Hmm…Wonder why? Becuase they were on to him, and he was getting tested yet he still tried to find a way out of it. Manny on the other hand had agreed to do all testing against Mayweather. He gave in to all demands, and Mayweather ran. End of story. Manny has never had anything to hide. He’s as clean as sprinkling water. He’s always been ripped because of his lean body, and he appears bigger than he is. The truth is that he has a featherweight build, and all he has added moving up in weight is muscle. I do wonder why on earth they continue to let Hereida in boxing at all. This man should be banned. He’s a lying, coniving cheat, and trust me, cheaters hang out with cheaters. Manny Pacquiao is a legend that has tremendous character inside and outside the ring. Millions love him. He is a man of God and lives by the truth. His boxing abilities are the best. People take shots at him because of envy and jealousy. he’s not a liar or cheater, but a man with class, sincerity, humbleness and he helps those people in need. Money does not matter to Manny Pacquiao. He’s already proved to be arguably the greatest fighter of all time. His legacy is cemented. On Saturday night, you see him devour a fighter that is not on Manny’s level. Afterwards, what excuses will be left for anyone to use against Manny Pacquiao. Both Bradley and Manny Pacquiao will be tested. How about Ped Man Marquez and Alkvarado, are they being tested? No, no, no, no. Just imagine what Hereida, Nacho and Ped Man Marquez will have in store. And why would any commission allow this? Why would Alvarado allow this? Money is the root of all evil. It can buy anything and everything, and it does.

Posted April 8, 2014 3:34 am 


Auzbox

It should not matter if manny fights Marquez 100 times. At least manny is fighting top guys in his division unlike some of the other fighters who pick and choose. It takes balls to fight Marquez again after that crushing KO but manny will, don’t you worry about that.

Posted April 8, 2014 2:14 am 


Havoc

Tomato Can

Why is Chicago guy using everyone’s name, but his own?
Posted April 7, 2014 8:27 pm

Lols thats an easy one , because no one will take him seriously when he posts under his own name !!! Chicago guy is the biggest joke on eastside ! Hecdog is another one that is going in that direction .

Posted April 8, 2014 1:16 am 


Hidalg0

“Poor pactards they only bring it on themselves when they come here trying smear and spew their nonsense about the geat JMM”

Yep. Shouldn’t talk about the geat that way.

LMAO!

Posted April 7, 2014 11:08 pm 


Tomato Can

Alvarado is tailor made for JMM. Obviously JMM is on the decline at 41, but Alvarado will not give him the angles, feints and movement necessary to take advantage of JMM’s age. I think there’s a good chance that Alvarado gets stopped for the second time in a row in this fight.

Posted April 7, 2014 8:36 pm 


Tomato Can

Why is Chicago guy using everyone’s name, but his own?

Posted April 7, 2014 8:27 pm 


Havoc

Mayweather is so great he avoided Pacman this long! And having all his fans believed that he is the best!

Posted April 7, 2014 8:03 pm 


butter bean

freddie

Posted April 7, 2014 8:00 pm 


butter bean

freddy norwood laid the blueprint on beating Marquez.

Posted April 7, 2014 7:56 pm 


Titopa

Another funny thing about hecdog is he calls Marquez a “whiner” and a “cry baby”, yet he spends 95% of his time “whining” and “crying” about how Marquez is cheater who got lucky.

Posted April 7, 2014 7:30 pm 


te tumbo

“Hecdog if you think Marquez is on PEDs then you also think Pac is on PEDs”. No, HecDog doesN’T. that’s what passes for rational in Mannyworld*, i.e., “I don’t have to prove what’s the truth!” . . . huh(?!?!?).

Posted April 7, 2014 6:48 pm 


Titopa

PEEJ – I agree. I won’t say Pacquiao has cheated…nor will I say that about Marquez, I believe in “proof or it didn’t happen”.

Posted April 7, 2014 5:30 pm 


PEEJ

I am not accusing anybody neither. I am just calling out a particular person who constantly accuses Marquez. The only difference between the 2 was when Pac accused Marquez, Marquez fired back with I will take any test you want me to take and Pac backed off.

Posted April 7, 2014 5:27 pm 


Titopa

That pretty much sums up the Pactards “outlook” on this whole roid thing.

Posted April 7, 2014 4:56 pm 


Titopa

Me: “Pacquiao said no to Olympic style testing, that’s fishy”
Pactard: “You have no proof, you’re a Flomo or just a hater”

Pactards “Marquez is a cheater”
Me: “where’s the proof?”
Pactard: “I don’t need proof”
Me:…..

Posted April 7, 2014 4:55 pm 


Titopa

moonshineman – If you want “odd”, think about Marquez’s response to accusations of him cheating…he said “I’ll take ANY test, I have nothing to hide”, now, compare that to Pacquiao’s response of “giving blood makes me weak”…or, his decision to sue Floyd over defamation rather than to PROVE he’s clean by saying yes to harmless blood testing. Think long and hard.

Posted April 7, 2014 4:51 pm 


Titopa

Hecdog – Where’s your proof? If you’re accusing withOUT proof then let’s all do the same to Pacquiao, till this day he’s the ONLY one who’s ever said “NO” to harmless blood testing, Roach has been heard/seen in VIDEO saying “I don’t know what Ariza was giving him, and he would never tell me”…so quit this “cheating” crap, your boy Pacquiao is no better, that dude sued Floyd instead of PROVING he was clean…Marquez is on record saying “I’ll will take ANY test, I have nothing to hide”…can’t say the same for Mr. “giving blood makes me weak” Pacquiao.

Posted April 7, 2014 4:49 pm 


moonshineman

PEEJ

Hecdog if you think Marquez is on PEDs then you also think Pac is on PEDs.
Posted April 7, 2014 4:25 pm

I’m not saying anybody is on PEDs, but I am very confused about one thing. Marquez looked like the Hulk when he fought Pacquiao. When Marquez fought Bradley, he looked old man weak. What is the deal. Again, I’m not accusing anybody of anything, but that’s odd to me.

Posted April 7, 2014 4:38 pm 


PEEJ

Hecdog if you think Marquez is on PEDs then you also think Pac is on PEDs.

Posted April 7, 2014 4:25 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Poor pactards they only bring it on themselves when they come here trying smear and spew their nonsense about the geat JMM..these clowns are to dumd to realize they’re in the minority and true boxing fans will always be around to tell them and remind them of the truth..hey hecdog and popkins who’s crying and whining now..Lol!

Posted April 7, 2014 4:23 pm 


te tumbo

Pacquiao’s* use of “strength and conditioning” coach Ariza obviously inspired Marquez to up-the-ante by hiring the notorious Heredia. Brilliant! talk about f*ckn with an opponent’s head and on Manny’s* own standard-testing platform, no less(?!). Marquez then calls and raises ante by responding to Manny’s* paranoid guilty-conscience with, “I will take any test, any time. I have nothing to hide”. end of story, i.e., Team Pacquiao* shut their hypocritical azzholes about suspect physiques. Ariza then heaps praise on Marquez for adopting the same rigorous techniques that Pacquiao* had abandoned. The-Very-Same-Ones. Ariza made it look like a simple unfavorable contrast of dedication between Marquez and Manny*. we’ll see whether Pacquiao* snaps out of his lazy spell in time to defeat Bradley who we know will be just as prepared as Marquez to defeat Manny*, once again.

Posted April 7, 2014 3:29 pm 


The Mad Scientist

How bitter can some of these Pacquiao fanboys be..they been reduced to believing their own speculations and assumptions to comfort themselves from the reality of the Marq/Pac rivalry and how it ended..btw, who’s crying and whining now..Lol!

Posted April 7, 2014 3:28 pm 


te tumbo

“JMM’s back will be firmly up against the wall”. the only thing that the 40-something Marquez’s back is up against is imminent retirement. win or lose, he crossed the proverbial “Rubicon” the moment he continued to fight following his career highlight v. Pacquiao* and at a weight he’s conspicuously undersized for. if he gets that 4th title he’s earned it the hard way and gambling with his own prestige and money every f’n step of the way.

Posted April 7, 2014 3:17 pm 


LOL

at least manny never worked with ped coaches.

Posted April 7, 2014 2:53 pm 


Hecdog

Mike Alvarado, please retire (Ped Man Marquez) this whining, crying, complaining, Angel Hereida hiring supplying Peds to the USA Olympic Track and field team cheat, poor sport, can’t accept defeat, blaming the world for all his losses, ran away from a 5th fight against Manny, and hearing his interview today, he still refuses to say yes to a 5th fight against the great Manny Pacquiao. Please retire this B level fighter loser for good so we don’t have to hear him cry and whine like a little girl. Mike I think you have made a serious mistake by not having any testing for this fight. Ped Man Marquez still has Hereida, and I can guarantee you that he will be looking like a silver back gorilla that he didn’t resemble in his last fight against Bradley, but since there is no testing as of yet, you’ll see Marquez and Hereida at their best. As a matter of fact, Ped Man sure looked a lot different physically today. He was an old shrunken grape a a month ago. Hmmm…Incredible how the right mix of ingredients Hereida puts together can do for Ped Man Marquez. Serious error in judgement if Ped Man Marquez is not tested.

Posted April 7, 2014 2:34 pm 


Popkins

Titopa… And if he did get KO’d by Manny in a 5th bout, his 4th fight KO WOULD be overshadowed. And it would b the lasting memory of their rivalry… That will b the risk JMM will take if he accepts a 5th fight. And that is why he wud rather fight ANYONE else in order to get a title in another weight class.

Posted April 7, 2014 1:53 pm 


Titopa

Popkins – That stunning KO win for Marquez will NEVER be overshadowed by Pacquiao, unless he does something similar to Marquez, that will forever be the highlight of their rivalry. Marquez didn’t want the 5th fight following their 4th cause there was nothing in it for him other than a pay day, he wants the title, so he’s willing to fight ANYONE for it…whether it be Bradley or Pacquiao, don’t matter, he wants the winner. Personally, I feel he’d rather it be Pacquiao, his chances are greater there.

Posted April 7, 2014 1:24 pm 


Popkins

Titopa…JMM is not scared of fighting Manny. He just dreads the thought of losing to him, especially after finally getting a KO. The chances of him doing that again are extremely slim. And a loss to Manny in a “final” 5th fight would undo a huge amount of the stardom/glory he gained from the 4th fight. Juan was always chasing a victory over Manny. Now he’s got, his ego does not want that taken away. Juan would much rather Bradley beat Manny. JMM would much rather lose to Bradley again rather than face Pacman a 5th time and risk having his victory taken away from him.

Posted April 7, 2014 1:01 pm 


PEEJ

Well in the 3rd fight Marquez should of been up on every score card. He clearly beat Pac in the 3rd fight and they took it from him because they thought the Floyd fight was gonna be made. Same thing they did to Sturm against Oscar before the Hopkins fight. It didn’t get made so they robbed Pac in the fight with Bradley for a make up call in my opinion. Same thing they did to Oscar after the Trinidad fight and gave him the call against Quartay who I thought beat Oscar.

Posted April 7, 2014 12:55 pm 


Titopa

Marquez has a FAR better chance of beating Pacquiao than he does Bradley…Marquez knows Pacquiao.

Posted April 7, 2014 12:46 pm 


Titopa

Popkins – Marquez has NEVER and will NEVER be “scared” of Pacquiao, you’re talking about a guy (JMM) who CHASED Pacquiao UP 4 divisions…btw, Marquez has already said “Pacquiao will win” the rematch with Bradley, this was before signing to fight Alvarado, so again, your theory is bogus.

Posted April 7, 2014 12:45 pm 


Popkins

After FOUR (!!!!) fights with him! ……

Posted April 7, 2014 12:31 pm 


Popkins

At no point in any of the 4 (!) fights with Pacquiao was Juan EVER unanimously winning on the score cards. After FIVE fights with him! …

Posted April 7, 2014 12:30 pm 


Hidalgo

I’m just wondering what clue or clues has led anyone to believe that JMM is “in decline?” Was it his devastating KO of Manny Pacquaio that exposed him? Was it his very narrow loss to Bradley who fought him like a rabbit running from a coyote?

I feel sorry for Alvarado. He’s as game as a boxer can be, but he’s about to face one of the great masters of the art. Marquez will stop Alvarado.

Posted April 7, 2014 12:30 pm 


Popkins

At no point in any of the 5 fights with Pacquiao was Juan EVER unanimously winning on the score cards. After FIVE fights with him!

Posted April 7, 2014 12:29 pm 


PEEJ

I had Pac winning the first 2 fights and Marquez winning the last 2.

Posted April 7, 2014 12:27 pm 


Popkins

JMM was finally given the star treatment after KOing Manny. To get beaten by Bradley in his very next fight must have been gutting. …and now Pacman is about to step in and beat Bradley, stealing this hard earned glory from Juan. Marquez will be praying Tim beats Pacman so he doesn’t have to fight Manny a 5th time. If Manny beats Bradley decisively Juan will feel as though he’s had his glory and reputation ripped from beneath his feet. And who did it? Mr Pacquiao. JMM’s back will be firmly up against the wall.

Posted April 7, 2014 12:26 pm 


Titopa

Popkins – “Pacquiao gave him 4 opportunities”?? You mean, Pacquiao fought him 4 times cause not ONCE did he decisively beat Marquez, all their fights were extremely close and were more like “draws” than they “wins” for Pacquiao. Which is why Pac and team were constantly saying “we wanna knock this guy out to remove all the doubt”, there was doubt as to whether Pac truly won their 2nd & 3rd bouts. You act like Pacquiao decisively beat Marquez and he just figured he’d give Marquez “opportunities” to beat him.

Posted April 7, 2014 12:23 pm 


Hidalgo

Sorry boys, but Alvarado is going down. It won’t be pretty.

Posted April 7, 2014 12:22 pm 


Popkins

The Mad Scientist… You’re right in saying Juan can’t bear the thought of fighting Pac again for fear of getting beaten, and losing the satisfaction he’s gained in winning their “final” fight. … But Marquez has already been receiving massive amounts of abuse for refusing to give Manny a 5th fight – after all Pacman gave him 4 opportunities, and Manny was the bigger draw in all of those fights. Marquez has already been accused of ducking Manny…. Add to that Bradley has just decisively beaten Marquez. And 99% of people agree Pacman whupped Tim the first time, and there’s a good chance he’ll do it again. If Manny convincingly beats Bradley on Saturday, Pac will be pound for pound No.2 again and will have regained his position as a far bigger star than JMM – once again. And remember, everyone bangs on about how Manny was winning the 4th fight with Juan and on the verge of a stoppage himself – people continue to claim Marquez got “lucky”, whether this is fair or not. And regardless it’s still 2:1 to Pacman. …………………….. Bearing all this in mind if Marquez beats Alvarado as planned and Manny whups Bradley, then the Mexican will be under intense pressure to face Pacman. I don’t think Juan’s ego will allow him to turn down a 5th fight this time.

Posted April 7, 2014 12:15 pm 


te tumbo

another “most anticipated showdown” that really isn’t. Marquez is too small to compete at 147lbs (unless it’s too KO fellow feather-welter Pacquiao*) and Alvarado looked at bit depleted making 140lbs to fight Ruslan. this matchup may have local or regional interest for true fight-fans but even the post-fight scenarios seem like leftovers of a previous boxing era.

Posted April 7, 2014 12:13 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Popkins -Marquez will never give Pacquiao and his fans the satisfaction of getting ko’d by Manny for the final victory and glory,,that’s false hope..the reality will always be Juan closing out the rivalry with the most brutal KO in boxing history with Pacquiao lying face down ass up unconscious with the wife crying spectacle to boot..

Posted April 7, 2014 11:49 am 


kato3388

This is an OK fight. JMM should really be fighting Provo. Now this would be a true test for both fighters. A true litmus test for the challenger Provo and a true test for the grissled veteran.

JMM should make easy work of Alvarado.

Posted April 7, 2014 11:45 am 


edone

Bad fight HBO sucks showtime rules baby

Posted April 7, 2014 11:40 am 


Popkins

Boxtradamus – If you really are confident in your predictions, you should put a bet on that. Picking Alvarado by stoppage will surely give you some good odds in the bookies. Or are you not a gambling man?!

Posted April 7, 2014 11:25 am 


Popkins

JMM is in decline, but even now he should still be able to beat someone like Alvarado on points. Pacquiao annihilated Rios and Mike is pretty much on a par with Brandon. Juan should win a close one over 12. And then hopefully we’ll see Marquez pushed back into a 5th fight with Manny. By then, with a bit of deterioration and more miles on the clock, Juan should be ripe for taking, with Manny ending their rivalry with a stoppage of the Mexican. It’ll be one KO each, but ultimately 3:1 to Pacman, with the Filipino getting the final victory and glory!!!!!!!!

Posted April 7, 2014 11:20 am 


PEEJ

Gonna watch this fight. Not big on Alvarado but if Marquez is indeed shot or just too old then he will lose this fight.

Posted April 7, 2014 11:20 am 



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