Gatti should be in the HOF he was a true ring warrior that had more heart than most any boxer I have ever seen, The HOF is about what you brought to the sport of boxing . But to say “All” Kostya did is just dumb ….
A former world champ that put on some of the best fights ever….you bet your ass he’s a hall of famer.Posted October 13, 2012 12:38 am
What is very interesting when you look at the nominees for the boxing hall of fame right now is that of the 45 fighters listed, 34 of the 45 were not born in the US. Yet when one looks at the inductees, more than half were born in the United States. Certainly bias or at least some ignorance about foreign fighters. If I were one of these writers, I would have to vote in the following fighters, Horaccio Acavallo, Maso Obha, Prince Naseem Hammed, and I would raise the old timers category to 1962 from 42, and would put Henry Jeffra in there. Afterwards, they should add one year so some very deserving fighters from the past could get in at least that way.Posted October 11, 2012 2:09 pm
OCTAVIUS: As I have mentioned previously, Stallone was put in a non-participant category when he was put into the Hall Of Fame. His Rocky films (while could be viewed as silly) contributed to the popularity of boxing in the 70′s and its revival in popularity in the US. (the return of ALi as champion, and the 76 US Olympic team were also factors)Posted October 11, 2012 2:02 pm
I meant “WASN’T” GREAT, SORRY!!!Posted October 11, 2012 11:21 am
If they put a fictional character like Stallone in there; Gatti will go in. He was great; but at least he was REAL.Posted October 11, 2012 11:20 am
Hall of Fame is for great fighters. Being exicting and entertaining is not enough.Posted October 11, 2012 10:56 am
Gatti also got stopped by a guy like Carlos Baldomir who was not a big hitter and spent the majority of his career as a journeyman…. AGAIN I miss Gatti but the guy was simply NOT a GREAT fighter at his best he was above average the difference made up for by his heart but the losses are telling during what are prime years for a pugilist….Posted October 11, 2012 10:25 am
Gatti was simply a caricature in the ring, literally a life like Rocky Balboa, unreal heart, tremendous durability and a never say day attitude…. But does he TRULY belong in the HOF, appreciation aside and highlight reel moments?? I am not sure of that, I have a similar feeling when people discuss Glenn Johnson getting in…. Reality is that Gatti lost ALOT of times and he was beaten down badly by some top fighters (Floyd Mayweather and ODH destroyed him)…. These losses he racked up did not occur when he was truly and old man…. For excitement and willingness to make a great fight few can surpass him but the reality is that Gatti was NOT a GREAT fighter absent his entertainment value… I would like to see the Hall reserved for those who meet a standard of Greatness….Posted October 11, 2012 10:23 am
I dont deny that there are plenty other fighters who deserve it aswell …. but i wont begrudge Gatti getting in.Posted October 11, 2012 5:09 am
NEIL, you say lesser fighters have gotten in. This is true, but there are some fighters who are more deserving than Gatti and have not gotten in. Gatti’s would not have the fame had it not been for HBO. As I wrote earlier, read about some of the other fighters by going to bwaa.org, clicking on the awards logo on that page, and then clicking on IBHOF and reading about some of these other fighters before people want to put Gatti in.Posted October 10, 2012 4:04 pm
Matthew Saad Mohammed gets in. That should cler the path for Gatti. Same kind of come-frombehind warrior, but with a much wores record.Posted October 10, 2012 3:06 pm
RAY GORDON has the beatPosted October 10, 2012 3:04 pm
Margarito over Gatti in the HOF for sure…Posted October 10, 2012 2:54 pm
But Rocky Balboa was the Greatest White Boxer ever.. and Gatti is no Rocky Balboa…Posted October 10, 2012 2:54 pm
It’s called the hall of fame and Stallone is in it. Of course Gatti should be inducted.Posted October 10, 2012 2:26 pm
I love Gatti. He is one of my favorites… EVER. But if the HoF is about elite fghters with huge achievements, then Gatti doesn’t qualify. His murder was a tragedy, and he is gratly missed.Posted October 10, 2012 2:01 pm
ARUTRO YES TIME 1.30 PM 10/1O/2012 VIRGIL HILL YES HENRY MASKE NOPosted October 10, 2012 1:31 pm
You would only a few leftPosted October 10, 2012 12:12 pm
Gonzo the Dragonborn
Anyone who’s tested positive or admitted to taking illegal PEDs should be excluded from the discussion about being let in let alone actually inducted. ”Boo! Gatti don’t deserve to get it but hip hip hooray for Roy and James”Posted October 10, 2012 11:30 am
“Gatti before Quarry”? … certainly!!!!Posted October 10, 2012 9:51 am
Gatti deserves it!!! Is one of the all time greats? Maybe not …. but he was brave to the point of stupidity, extremely exciting, won some alphabet titles and beat some good worldclass fighters …… I would have no problems with Gatti getting into the hall-of-fame. Lesser boxers have got in – so why not Gatti?Posted October 10, 2012 9:50 am
Gatti left it all in the Ring every single time. He wasn’t a prima donna like some of todays fighters and he was a big part of Boxing During his days as a Pro Boxer. His fights with WARD are Historical matches.. of course the guy deserves to be in Boxings Hall of Fame.. He’s done a hell of a lot more in the Ring then many of todays fighters who feel they are HOF bound…Posted October 10, 2012 8:42 am
Plenty of less-deserving fighters have got in!!! So why not Gatti?Posted October 10, 2012 7:53 am
No. Warrior. Great series of fights with Ward. But no, doesn’t have the wins and wasn’t on the truely elite level.Posted October 10, 2012 7:38 am
Nicholas that’s the problem right there is that three guys have to be put in each year, HOF should be reserved for legendary boxers who acheived great things. Gatti was exciting but HE BEAT NOBODY.Posted October 10, 2012 5:03 am
He’s not worthy but the HOF has become so watered down he’ll get in.Posted October 10, 2012 5:01 am
Gatti deserves itPosted October 10, 2012 4:16 am
I encourage everyone who is commenting here to go to bwaa.org. Go to Awards page, and then click on IBHOF. They have a list of all 45 candidates. Read the resumes and then decide which three fighters deserve induction into the hall.Posted October 10, 2012 1:58 am
Those who are complaining about Sylvester Stallone being in the Hall seem not to understand that he is in an non participation category. His contribution however to the sport with the Rocky movie was immense. Vinny Pazienza and Tommy Morrison said that film was inspirational in why they got into boxing, as I am sure for others. Boxing had been really in somewhat of a slump in the US in the early 70′s. It was certainly helped by the regaining of the Heavy weight title by Ali, The 76 Olympic team, and not the least the popularity of the Rocky films.Posted October 10, 2012 1:44 am
The two other new nominees into the hall are Henry Maske and Virgil Hill. I think they are more wroth than Gatti. When people say that Gatti should be in the hall, what about the other fighters who are not even nominated, Eubanks, Benn, even Jerry Quarry. What about many of the past Asian fighters this so call International Boxing Hall of Fame seems to neglect?Posted October 10, 2012 1:30 am
Yeah, Arturo belongs in the hall of fame.Posted October 10, 2012 12:32 am
Bag of Donuts
Kid Blast, you know your boxing.
Saad was the ultimate blood and guts warrier hands down. Stalone should have copied Saad’s life story.
Gatti for sure should be considered and Stallone induction revoked. RIPPosted October 10, 2012 12:31 am
Thanks B RedPosted October 9, 2012 10:18 pm
Gatti will get in there. We need more fighters like him with balls.
But on another note where have you been James??? The new breed of writers here are not a patch on you and I’m getting sick of them telling us what they think. One guy has to tell the reader 3 times in one article the same thing. At least you give us the facts and try to be impartial. Then you say what your opinion is. They could learn a lot from you. Totally biased journalism from some of them. Please get writing again as you’re the best on here by a mile!Posted October 9, 2012 10:09 pm
The Russian Tyson
His numbers and won/loss record don`t necessarily scream or look HOF.But he had the intangible qualities that made for thrilling Fight-of-the-Year kind of fights.He was like Matthew Saad Muhammad from the standpoint that he could be behind in a fight and getting his butt whipped and then he could come from behind and rally back. There are boxers that had more talent than Gatti and are in the Hall but didn`t possess the intangibles that he had.For these reasons I lean towards Gatti being worthy of the HOF.Posted October 9, 2012 8:59 pm
The Mad Scientist
I’m not sure if Gatti is worthy of the HOF and it really doest matter to me but if he gets in so should Jose Luis Castillo and Diego Corrales..Posted October 9, 2012 8:38 pm
Gonzo the Dragonborn
Mmmm.. Seems more people have a problem with certified blood and guts warriors being inducted into the Hall of Fame than they do proven drug cheats.Posted October 9, 2012 8:32 pm
Deciding if Gatti belongs in the HOF is a tough decision. One side of me says the man didn’t achieve enough in the sport. The other side of me sees this scenario — in the future, fans strolling through the HOF and happen to recall the name Gatti because they remember seeing some of his old fights and saying to themselves ‘with all the thrilling fights he was in, that guy, Gatti, HAS to be in here! “Hey attendant, can you show me where the Gatti display is?”Posted October 9, 2012 8:13 pm
@Chapo610 Kostya Tszyu had a much better career than Gatti. Gatti was NEVER dominant the way Tszyu was. Personally i see Gatti as one of those cult fighters who had a larger following than their talent warranted like Hatton (i’m not saying either of those guys weren’t talented, i just don’t think HOF worthy). How can you have Gatti in and Nas not even considered despite him being eligible for the last 6 years?Posted October 9, 2012 7:53 pm
gotti was great for boxing, but if you put gatti in then you lower the standards of the hall of famePosted October 9, 2012 7:48 pm
Stallone is in the IBOF. Gatti was a FAMED actual fighter. Cant believe it is a ?Posted October 9, 2012 7:08 pm
The Russian Tyson
You can`t slam a boxer like Gatti who gave it his all fight afer fight, if anything he had a propensity of giving too much of hisself.Even Stevie Wonder could see that Gatti had HOF qualities.So yes,he is deserving and merits being in the HOF.Posted October 9, 2012 7:07 pm
When you have Barry McGuigan in the HOF then you can have ten Gatti’s in there all day long!Posted October 9, 2012 6:51 pm
About Gatti…..he and guys like Holyfield…Frazier…as well as those well named by Kid Blast….Gatti had HEART !!!!….wojuld go hard when any normal person would have folded….not just once or twice in a match ..eitherPosted October 9, 2012 6:49 pm
Gatti was as gone as Ezzard Charles was for his last fights… Very few fighters keep going when they’re that far gone.Posted October 9, 2012 6:45 pm
Definitely!Posted October 9, 2012 6:44 pm
Gatti was gone when he fought Gomez.. That fight was a shame…but it convinced Vivek that Gomez would beat Cotto.Posted October 9, 2012 6:43 pm
Great post KidBlast, I think Gatti could get in the Hall of a Fame, because of the greatest trilogy i have seen in my life time, ya digPosted October 9, 2012 6:16 pm
That’s a tough one! In terms of excitement Gatti’s one of the best to ever lace up the gloves. But when you look at his record, I’m not so sure. Guys like Sugar Ray Robinson would never have gotten busted up by the likes of Alfonso Gomez. My heart says yes, my mind says no. Either way, he doesn’t need the HOF to be remembered.Posted October 9, 2012 6:13 pm
Gatti is 100% HOF worthy Kazta Zu got in and all he did was fight shamba mitchell Gatti would trash anyone in his weightclass these new guys would knock gatti down but what would happen when he would get back up in put you down.Posted October 9, 2012 6:00 pm
Slater ! that`s actually a very commendable, fair and GREAT IDEA to suggest that the paying fans both male and female should have a vote and say as to who should be enshrined into the Hall of Fame.As for Arturo Gatti, I emphatically give him a resounding and heartfelt vote of YES ! He was absolutely one of the bravest, most courageous and gutsy fighters that I ever saw.Posted October 9, 2012 5:51 pm
Gatti should get in the HOF but it doesn’t matter. It’s a political induction. Some guys who never won a world title are in the Hall. Some guys who lost 40 fights are in the Hall. Ingo Johanssen who won 1 of 3 world title fights is in the Hall. Ernesto Marcel, who beat Antonio Gomez, Samuel Serrano, and Alexis Arguello in his last 3 world featherweight title fights before retiring as Undefeated World Featherweight Champion isn’t in the Hall. It’s an opinion like everything else … and not always accurate.Posted October 9, 2012 5:45 pm
Yes.Posted October 9, 2012 5:43 pm
Seeing as it’s the Hall Of “Fame”, I’d say yes…Gatti produced some of the most memorable (famous) fights in the history of the sport, I say yes, but I too won’t argue much with those who say his record says he’s not worthy.Posted October 9, 2012 5:34 pm
i agree with AD, for every guy like Gatti that gets nominated, there’s gonna be at least 20 other fighters equally as worthy waiting in line. Although, if Sylvester Stallone can get in than that shoots the whole credibility of the HOF down in peices.
Absolutely NOT!!Posted October 9, 2012 5:22 pm
There’s only one way you can lick [Tony] Zale—you gotta kill him.”—Rocky Graziano
“The proof is in the pudding when I get in the ring.”— Carl “The Cat” Thompson
“I hear the cheers when I need to hear them. It feels good to know my fans are still behind me.”—Arturo Gatti
Danny “Little Red” Lopez was “Mr. Excitement.” He was never in a dull fight, and was most dangerous if he had been decked—which was often. Soft-spoken and humble, he was ferocious and unrelenting once the bell rang. In an era in which fights were regularly seen free on non-cable television, he was one of the greatest of the television fighters and his name guaranteed big ratings. Danny was a volume puncher who worked to set up his knockout blow which he could deliver with either hand. His fights often turned into melodramas in which he overcame knockdowns, severe punishment, and adversity to score sudden and spectacular knockouts. In this regard, he was like Matthew Saad Muhammad. He was a “Gatti before Gatti.” He would get off the canvas and roar back. Turning predator, he would hunt down and take out his opponent in savage fashion. He was heavy-handed, which belied his skinny appearance, and if he connected flush, it usually spelled the end. In 1979, Lopez KO’d Mike Ayala in the 15th round in what was The Ring magazine’s Fight of the Year.
Like fellow Californian Bobby Chacon, Little Red connected with his fans in an electric way. The roars started as soon as he was seen coming down the aisle with his Native American headdress on and didn’t stop until he left the ring—usually a winner. And like Chacon, he left boxing with a reputation of being one of the most exciting fighters to toil in the square circle. Lopez was inducted into the World Boxing Hall of Fame at age 35, the youngest man ever elected. He is now in the International Boxing Hall of Fame. One thing is certain: he was always the perennial crowd favorite and his legacy is forever secure with aficionados.
Matthew Saad Muhammad was another who was extremely popular and connected with his fans in a special way. His action-oriented style guaranteed that almost every fight would be a thriller in which he would come back from the precipice to put his opening away. His rematch with another great fan-favorite, Yaqui Lopez, was one for the ages as Saad was hit with 20 unanswered hard blows in round eight, but he recovered to drop Lopez five times en route to a knockout win. It was The Ring magazine’s 1980 Fight of the Year.
Matthew Saad Muhammad’s signature was his ability to absorb punishment and then mount drama-filled comebacks. Indeed, he was nicknamed “Miracle Matthew,” but in retrospect, he could well have been nicknamed “Gatti before Gatti.” He was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1998.
For fans fortunate enough to have watched fights on Saturday and Sunday afternoons in the late ‘70s and early ‘80s, the action provided by Danny Lopez and Matthew Saad Muhammad will never be forgotten. He too is in the IBHOF.
Arturo Gatti (1972-2009)
Most of what can be said or written about this exciting warrior has already been said (or is being said) and it is not my intention to add much except to point out that he shared something in common with Bobby Chacon, Little Red, Miracle Matthew, and a few other special people. Gatti had the charisma of Jerry Quarry and the excitement of Chacon, Muhammad, and Little Red.
What made them special? Each was an all-out action fighter who possessed tremendous recuperative powers in the ring; each was known throughout his career for having unique connections with their adoring fans. In this regard, as soon as the crowd spotted “Thunder” with his old school-style white robe, they would start the roar that would follow him into the ring and chills would go down your spine.
Maybe it was their propensity to take it to the brink each and every time out—to lay it all on the line without regard to their own well-being. Each participated in classics; heck, Gatti participated in The Ring’s Fight of the Year an astounding four times (1997, 1998, 2002, and 2003). Arturo fought them all running up a 40-9 record. He met Leonard Dorin (22-0-1), Thomas Damgaard (37-0), Gianluca Branco (32-01)), and Joe Hutchinson (18-0-2). He also fought higher level guys like Oscar De La Hoya, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Ivan Robinson (twice), Tracy Harris Patterson (twice), Irish Mickey Ward in the great trilogy, and Calvin Grove. In so doing, he demonstrated tremendous and immense heart, and that’s one of the most important things for boxing fans because boxers with heart never give up. They are ceaseless aggressors; oncoming warriors who will gladly absorb two or three punches just for the opportunity of landing one.
I know I have left many valiant warriors out, and I apologize for that, but in the end, only one enjoys the ultimate compliment of having another warrior being referred to as “Gatti before Gatti.”
Now I believe that honor will get him into the Hall upon his eligibility.Posted October 9, 2012 5:03 pm
Gatti didn’t beat any elite fighter, got beat by not so great boxers, but he always put on a show of courage and guts, the ultimate warrior, if Gatti gets in then all the guys that beat should get in too, tough call, PeacePosted October 9, 2012 5:02 pm
Gonzo The Dragonborn
And to those of you who think Gatti was a limited brawler with zero skill… er. please STFUPosted October 9, 2012 4:49 pm
Gonzo The Dragonborn
How many times were him and Micky Ward involved in either Fights of the Year or Fights of the Year type candidates? Boxing is an entertainment sport and great fights are the sport’s greatest currency.. I certainly can’t think of a fighter in recent times who gave us more value for money and sheer excitement and thrills than Gatti.Posted October 9, 2012 4:47 pm
Its Me, Ernie
Of course.Posted October 9, 2012 4:42 pm
I would support there being some category that does recognise the Gatti type of fighters, but the way the nominations stand, if you for instance had Gattii coming up in th same years as fighters of the calibre of Hopkins, Jones Jnr, Klitschko, Marquez, COtto, Mayweather, Pacman, Holyfield, Toney, Tarver, Calzaghe, Vasquez etc then those guys are going to go in first.Posted October 9, 2012 4:36 pm
I love the guy, his fights were amazing and he epitomised what I love about the fight gae – not just the blood and thunder, but also that he had the brains to change his style later in his career. But, people seem to have a misunderstanding of the bar that is set for the IBHOF. Only 3 people are nominated per year, and those 3 aren`t guaranteed to get in, because there is already a list of 47 waiting to be selected too – which includes people like Naseem Hamed & Don Curry. I`d need to see the list of who has become eligible in the year Gatti does, you can be almost certain that there will be 3 other fighters with better pedigrees in terms of titles won, weights fought in, superfights won, longvity etc. YOu can probably list 20-30 recently retired fighters who will retire soon who are sure things for the HOF, and that essentially makes it a closed shop for the next 10 years for the loved warriors who weren`t quite elite – like Glen JOhnson, Gatti, Benn etcPosted October 9, 2012 4:31 pm
Two words, HELL YEAHPosted October 9, 2012 4:28 pm
St Vitus Dance
Always thought the clue was in the name, The Hall of FAME, Gatti was a fighters fighter, putting it all on the line every time out. He gets my vote……..Posted October 9, 2012 4:23 pm
Gatti was a limited fighter skill wise. Had no defense, and could never beat the elite fighters. All he did was fight with all his heart, courage, guts, and spirit to please fight fans. Regardless if he was being paid one dollar or one million dollars he put it out there as a True fighter. Bruised, bloodied and swollen, he never gave up even though he was taking a beating, and on some occasions, he managed to pull out the victory from the jaws of defeat. yes there were better boxers that had more talent, but none of them had bigger fighting heart. Arturo Gatti related to people of all colors and cultures. He made a huge impact on fight fans that tuned in to see what else Arturo could pull off. I think the Boxing Hall Of Fame should have a special place for fighters that thrilled fans with their fighting spirits and their fighting hearts. Fans sometimes remember these fighter more than they remember champions. Arturo Gatti should be in the Boxing Hall Of Fame alongside Jake LaMotta, Mickey Ward.Posted October 9, 2012 4:19 pm
Records of wins should not be the determining factor of who should be in The Hall. How could you not include fighters like Ward and Gotti who fought their hearts out and include a fighter like Hopkins who used every dirty trick in the trade to get an advantage.Posted October 9, 2012 4:17 pm
For all the blood, sweat, guts and excitement he gave to boxing time and time again, I wouldn’t hesitate to put Arturo into the Hall of Fame.Posted October 9, 2012 4:14 pm
He had hall of fame caliber grit, guts and determination. Definitely not worthy when you look at his record but if you’ve seen the fights it’s hard not to conclude that he was something like a real life version of Rocky. If Rocky the fictional character is in the hall, shouldn’t his real world counterpart be there, too?Posted October 9, 2012 3:56 pm
Great Fighter – A Hall Fame.Posted October 9, 2012 3:56 pm
This is why I like that the Hall requires a fighter to be out of the game for 5 years before they can be nominated. That way they can analyze the fighter without getting caught up in recent hype. I’m conflicted with Arturo. His entertainment value was massive, and he did become a champion, but when he faced the best of era he always came up short. I say put him in, but I won’t argue with anyone who says he’s not worthy.Posted October 9, 2012 3:52 pm
Gonzo The Dragonborn
Valhalla>>>The Hall of FamePosted October 9, 2012 3:24 pm