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Ivan

Anonymous, this article is about Andre Ward. Your opinion is of course valuable, but it’s off the point. You may not be qualified to judge expertise, if you are, try to justify your opinion.

Miles, the general boxing fan does not have the issues you are fixed on and the average fan is not a threat to society who needs therapy. If you do, look for it at he right places.

Posted April 14, 2014 1:22 am 


Myles

“I don’t believe any fan is capable of “love and hate” emotions towards people he has never met.”

People send letter bombs to people they never met you dummy. They also assassinate them in cold blood. People are capable of hating anyone who’s in the news.

Posted April 13, 2014 11:15 pm 


Anonymous

Ivan you’ve obviously never boxed or trained fighters. You’re no expert like you pretend to be. You’re a clown with a keyboard who makes stuff up. You must be the dumbest person in the world to say you make decisions about how hard to punch after you throw it.

Posted April 13, 2014 11:10 pm 


eddie

anyone who is average today,they will say is great.its called hype.

Posted April 13, 2014 5:59 am 


Bumwatch

Not everyone agrees Ward is great, he’s a snoozer and a snake who doesn’t fight like a man. I’d rather watch Froch plod around, he comes to fight. The author might have mentioned Ward won some of his fights narrowly.

Tark couldn’t win a exchange even if they handed it to him, he’d find a way to stink it up.

Posted April 13, 2014 5:38 am 


Cantabile

Everybody agrees that Ward’s damn good, but Ivan goes way overboard in his idolatry of the guy. Sorry Ivan, TARK wins the exchanges in this bout going away.

Posted April 12, 2014 4:27 pm 


eric

Wards agreat boxer, just doesn’t fight enuf

Posted April 12, 2014 2:38 pm 


Ivan

We are discussing boxing skills, not moral excellence or personal character. Ward definitely isn’t charismatic or handsome but boxing fans should not care about that. He could be the worst person in the world for all I care, I like his boxing. His private life should be of no interest to those who watch boxing. Liar or cheater, in boxing that’s legal and it’s called feinting. Boxing is an art of deception and violence, controlled aggression with intent of bodily harm, it’s the house of pain and it’s no place for good decent folks.
As far as fanboys are concerned, I don’t believe any fan is capable of “love and hate” emotions towards people he has never met. Like or dislike is more in order, what if he’s cross-eyed, he is still one of the best all-around boxers today.

Posted April 12, 2014 1:53 pm 


XXX

Andre Who? As in ‘Who cares?’

Posted April 12, 2014 1:14 pm 


Big Al

so let’s say ward gets out of the Goossen deal, who are the big-name 168lbers out there that would make for instant blockbuster PPV matchups? Chavez? He could’ve had that with goossen already if he didnt sue him, because goossen can work with Arum. Froch or Groves? Ward already nixed those ideas by questioning on camera the need for him to ever leave his hometown/home state. 175? Already said no, not at this time. No other promoter is going to be able to make up a super opponent for ward out of thin air. So who is waiting in the wings? I would think its better to fight 3-4 smaller matches per year than one biggish kind of fight every 1-1/2 years. At least it keeps you relevant.

Posted April 12, 2014 12:20 pm 


DMX

Who are Wards boxing audience?
Fat chicks in cardigans with glasses, little skinny men with beards
And the rest of the Christian soldiers playing guitars and ringing bells
Allelieiuah . . .

Posted April 12, 2014 11:57 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

And if any of you vegetable-brained butt-sniffing clowns want to try and dispute that Dawson wasn’t deathly drained, well you know where to find me. I strongly suggest you give it a miss though. Just stick to the ad hominomnoms attacks instead.

Posted April 12, 2014 11:00 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Remove one ”and”

Posted April 12, 2014 10:56 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Now watch that big crybaby stalker alt SOG fanboy scurry out from beneath the woodwork and start hurling the ad hominomnoms about and bawling his g@y little eyes out and because he can’t handle King Daddy Gonzo spitting the truth about the object of his homoerotic fixation. ROFL.

Posted April 12, 2014 10:56 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Ward’s a disingenuous serial cheating pampered faux Christian diva. The size of that whiny little fcuk’s ego is only eclipsed by the size of his sense of entitlement. The constant stream of bullsh!t that comes out of his and his worm-faced trainer’s mouth could fill an Olympic size swimming pool a thousand times over. I literally cringe almost everytime I hear them speak. Ward sure does like to lie and cheat a lot for someone who’s supposed to be a devout Christian. He was at it again the other day. He claimed he’d only seen a round or two of Kovalev in action during an interview he gave the other day. Yeah, we believe you Andre. You must have forgotten that time you said that you watch everyone in your division and the divisions one south and north of your own like a hawk and keep a very close watch on all potential future opponents. Lying piece of sh!t. ROFL.

Posted April 12, 2014 10:51 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

ROFL & LMFAO Dawson was drained beyond belief against Ward. He was nothing but a walking glass jaw on a pair of trembling noodle thin legs. A stiff breeze would’ve laid him out like 300mg of Temazepam that night. Beating up on a sapped out, enfeebled weight-drained cadaver who hadn’t fought at the weight in almost seven years ain’t nothing to shout about.

Posted April 12, 2014 10:40 am 


Ivan

Tark goes:… “Saying crap like, “Bobbing and weaving proper is not sustainable in the amateur ranks” is sheer stupidity. Ward doesn’t move his head every second. He moves his head when somebody is throwing. Otherwise he might bob or weave right into a punch.”….

Clueless. You don’t have to move you head all the time as you naively suggest, when you use body movement and footwork, the head will obviously follow the rest of the body. What I wrote is that his head is at a different spot every second, how silly can you get with your quotes? How limited your boxing world can get?
Every time you start arguing, you expose yourself as a lame outsider and fall into your own clueless traps. Or you totally lose integrity and start insinuating.
When I said “paper” knowledge I gave you credit. Now you persevere in proving me wrong again in accusing you of having any boxing knowledge. I though you understood that out-boxing someone and winning a fight are two different things.

Posted April 12, 2014 7:55 am 


T22

Ward needs to fight at least 4 times a year to build his fanbase. If he cant get the fights at home then travel. Take on the lesser fighters in their backyard. Maybe go to Germany for a bit where the fans are more appreciative and get the big crowds.

Posted April 12, 2014 7:35 am 


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Kovаlеv will k0 Wаrd, if hе movе to 175…..

Posted April 12, 2014 7:18 am 


CaptJB

Aaaaaahhh (yawn) Ward bores me. GGG anytime.

Posted April 12, 2014 6:29 am 


WHAT!?!

It’s simple Piechucker. I agree he has competed and beat everyone worth beating at 168lbs and deserves a lot of credit for it. However, he needs to fight outside his hometown or country. He needs to fight out of his comfort zone to see what he is made of. There are doubts on how he will perform in this situation and until he does it, he will not get 100% respect for his career.

Posted April 12, 2014 4:58 am 


piechucker

mick – why would ward need to gain credibility at 168? he is the undisputed champion who has trounced all other elite fighters. I’m perplexed by your statement

Posted April 12, 2014 3:40 am 


Mick the Marmalizer

The only way Ward can gain any credibility @ 168Lb is to fight the winner of Froch/Groves “in England”! otherwise it’s a trip to 175.

Posted April 12, 2014 3:04 am 


TARK

Ivanov, you don’t know a damned thing about boxing.

Saying crap like, “Bobbing and weaving proper is not sustainable in the amateur ranks” is sheer stupidity. Ward doesn’t move his head every second. He moves his head when somebody is throwing. Otherwise he might bob or weave right into a punch.

Writing garbage like, “Mayweather was out boxed by Castillo” is sheer ignorance … Mayweather fought two (2) fights with Castillo – in front of six (6) different professional judges.. None of the 6 judges had Castillo outboxing Mayweather, they were unanimous for Floyd … Plus Castillo’s record is littered with losses and Floyd’s is not.

Posted April 12, 2014 2:51 am 


piechucker

ward gets a lot of grief from fans, but It can never been said that he’s fought no-one (like the nano-brain posted earlier). his style is not too crowd pleasing, but he is insanely skilled. I have no doubts at all that he will retire undefeated

Posted April 12, 2014 2:38 am 


Anonymous

Ward will KO any bum from across the pond they can’t fight never could been getting thatass whooped by Americans for over 200 years

Posted April 12, 2014 2:27 am 


Kin

Ward’s a joke. Don’t like hi uppity attitude.

Posted April 12, 2014 2:16 am 


WHAT!?!

Ward is scared to get a passport and therefore a waste of talent. No one knows how good Ward could be until he fights without every advantage. A real champion will fight anyone, anywhere.

Posted April 12, 2014 1:52 am 


Lou Vale

As Jim gray said to Andre Ward after the Kessler fight – Andre are you a dirty fighter ?

Posted April 12, 2014 1:36 am 


Ivan

Tark, you have demonstrated over and over again that you only have “paper” boxing knowledge that is based on Internet info.
Bobbing and weaving proper is not sustainable in the amateur ranks and there are no amateurs any more as of this year.
Being out-boxed and losing a fight are different things. For example Loma out boxed Salido but lost. Rocky Marciano was being out boxed on a regular basis. Mayweather was out boxed by Castillo but won.
You may think boxing is an easy subject for you to show your wits, but boxing can be vindictive to beginners/outsiders, it exposes them brutally in and out of the ring.

What I like about you is that you read carefully and think about the contents, you even learn in the process but somehow you get annoyed when you learn. Funny.

Posted April 12, 2014 1:24 am 


piechucker

mtl81 “ward has fought no-one” ahahahahahaha you idiot. ward has fought EVERYONE. cleaned his division out. your a clown

Posted April 12, 2014 1:18 am 


TEACHER

Wards inactivity stems from not being able to sell tickets, he couldn’t draw flies with a bucket of over ripe fruit, Goosen being the worst promoter in the business has done a decent job with Ward, but Goosen can’t sell what fans refuse to pay for, bottom line Ward is not the boxing fans are missing, so if he doesn’t fight soon boxing will better for it.

Posted April 12, 2014 12:57 am 


Chuckles72

No surprises here. Didn’t Ward say that he wanted to fight three times this year? What a bunch of crap. I am stymied by the praise for this fighter that never fights. So what if he beat Dawson – Go back and watch Dawson/Pascal and ask yourself if beating Dawson is the measure of a great fighter.

The thing that is frustrating about Ward is that he probably is a really great fighter. He has shown great skill, athleticism and determination but who has he beaten? I know his resume well and his most impressive win is probably over Froch both in terms of the stature of his opposition and the convincing win. It would have helped I suppose if he had stopped Froch but at that point in Froch’s career that was a tall order.

In any case, if the image of Ward as a P4P prince is ever to meet up with the reality of the boxer that he is, he has to start fighting lots of guys and beating their asses. I want to like this guy, but he needs to get in the goddamn ring. I do not know the details of his suit against Goossen but if he can’t fight until it is over then his career is probably done, and if he can fight while the suit is pending, then what is he waiting for?

Posted April 11, 2014 10:37 pm 


Jerome

Andre Ward is the best fighter in this day and time, #1 p4p. I hope he gets out of the contract with Goosene Tutor. Dan Gossen can’t get ward the big name fights so he should just let the guy get on with his career. I know a contract should be honored but come on we’re gonna miss the best of this young talented young fighter. Andre Ward is the only fighter I would pay to see.

Posted April 11, 2014 10:22 pm 


zzz

Ward is not in the picture, he doesn’t fight regularly, he is boring, he doesn’t fight away and doesn’t draw, who cares.

Posted April 11, 2014 9:54 pm 


Jonn E. JaGozza

I have always said that I like Ward, he’s the reall deal and fights anyone…Regardless whatever is happening in his life , hell be back and back with a vengeance this guy can fight and is almost, remember, I said almost, in the same league as Mayweather .. this guy is one of today;s greats… Boxingdictionary.com … “The Language of the Ring” … the original boxing dictionary…

Posted April 11, 2014 9:12 pm 


Oc

He is missed over here. The prefect fighter, cerebral, mentally stable, fast, fit, tough and mobile. It doesn’t hurt that he is a gentleman as well and conducts himself with dignity at all times. I look forward to his return to the ring for sure.

Posted April 11, 2014 7:23 pm 


TARK

This pundit is pretending to be a boxing expert by stating gross inaccuracies.

Pundit.., “Ward’s big shots start as a fast scoring shot or even as a feint and he applies himself at the last moment when he sees the shot will land”

Ward throws light punches or a hard punches based on the opportunity to score. He doesn’t change the force of a punch in mid flight. Punches are fired and landed in a fraction of a second. Jabs should be thrown effortlessly, but Cotto caught Clottey with a perfectly timed one and floored him. When McCall and Rahman threw their KO punches at Lewis, they didn’t say to themselves, “I now see the punch will land, so I’m going to start applying more power to it.” They saw. They threw. That’s it.

Pundit.., “Ward doesn’t miss with a big shot because he didn’t allow it to become a big shot.”

Ward misses with big shots… little shots… and in-between shots… He boxes with great control, and doesn’t swing wildly, but he misses a lot of punches like everyone else.

Pundit.., “Ward cannot be out-boxed.”

Ward can be out-boxed. No human is invincible.

Pundit.., “Ward’s head is at a different spot every second.”

Ward maintains his stance well. He doesn’t bob his head around like an amateur.

Posted April 11, 2014 7:20 pm 


Mtl83

People wanna talk about a major Ducker? They should talk about Andre Ward who has been fighting no one for 2 years except a dehydrated Chad Dawson that was so weak he just stopped boxing. Dude is a fraud. Go fight Adonis Stevenson like Stevenson asked for when he was still a SM.. no.. Ward is hiding himself from true competition or waiting for the other guys to disappear! Oh! I forgot! Theres a reason that dude dont do ppv, nobody wants to pay to go to sleep!

Posted April 11, 2014 7:06 pm 


Dino

It’s always about money. The promoters will say they got you the fight, the fighter will say I trained and I am the one fighting. It should always be the fighter that get the lions share. End of story.

Posted April 11, 2014 6:12 pm 


Mick the Marmalizer

Without a doubt Andre Ward has to be the most un -charismatic boxer of the 21st century. Okay so he’s undefeated & recognized as the #1 @ 168Lb in the World, but where is he & why won’t he fight outside of the USA? True legendary champions such as “Suger” Ray Robinson & Muhammad Ali took there title’s on the road & campaigned across the globe!

Posted April 11, 2014 6:02 pm 


UD

hmm a real boxing star fill out soccerstadiums. Only 5.000 went to see Ward in the super six final.
Ward is of course a great boxer but his style of fighting isnt crowd pleasing at all.

Posted April 11, 2014 5:54 pm 


Anonymous Dave

Ward’s plight is exactly what he deserves; when a fighter has no domestic fanbase he has to get off his ass and fight on front of big crowds wherever they are, ideally in a crowd-pleasing style. How is it that more Americans would rather watch a Filipino or a Mexican than a native-born former olympian? It’s because he’s a boring fighter who lacks ambition and is scared to leave California. Ward should be ashamed of himself when he watched Froch-Groves in front of a 50k+ crowd this summer. He truly is the Roy Jones of his generation – all that talent wasted by prioritising money.

Posted April 11, 2014 5:49 pm 


HHLondon

DonnyB,

By oversight or regulation, one world body, I am suggesting that in each country, world wide; If a fighter, manager, promoter or organisasation wishes to get licensed and be involved in the sport, then they should have to go through stringent checks for licence. They have to register with ONE world body and abide by ONE world wide protocol/s.

Tennis is a good example of how boxing should be governed, managed and promoted.

Golf is another ….

Can you imagine FOUR different organisations, champs all claiming to represent THE “Masters” champ?

Wimbledon being “pimped” by 5 different managers/champs/promoters all claiming their player is the real tennis champ?

Not happening is it?

John McCain suggested real and rigorous oversight for the sport a couple of years ago.

Even though Amir Khan struggled at 140lbs fighting career 135lb fighters and had lost two of his last four, you had “journalists” on here claiming he deserved Mayweather over Marcos Maidana who had fought many times at 147lb and beaten the heir apparent at the weight and was champ?

Trumpeting Khan/Mayweather would be more “lucrative”?

For WHO?

Boxing needs governing and GOVERNING by a world wide body who share protocols with each country who are all on the same page and drive the crooks and their shills out of this sport for good!

I remember once I was sparring The Atomic Bull, Oliver just before he beat Lennox and I caught him with a glancing jab, and when he got back up and recovered …. HaHa … had ya for a second didn’t I ;-)

Posted April 11, 2014 4:55 pm 


BILLY NO MEDALS ALL AMERICAN BOY

part time ward!!!!

Posted April 11, 2014 4:36 pm 


moonshineman

Good Article. Andre Dirrell has wasted his talent.

Posted April 11, 2014 4:23 pm 


skinnysteve

be it injurys or legal problems soggy always finds a reason to be inactive “bad” chad was weight drained when he fought soggy. soggy aint’ nothing but a bible banging malingering bum/ if he ever fought popkins it would be the head butting clinching world championship

Posted April 11, 2014 4:16 pm 


Livershot

Promoters and Managers are a thing of the past and they continue to rob fighters blind.

Posted April 11, 2014 4:15 pm 


DonnyB

I agree with HHLondon boxing needs reformed.

There should only be 1 World Champ in any division and if you dont fight the mandatory you should be stripped.

Too many people suckling off the tit of Boxing and destroying it as a contest.

Posted April 11, 2014 4:10 pm 


dew232323

goosen is in the right. ward is an idiot

Posted April 11, 2014 4:10 pm 


HHLondon

Boxing in general needs a massive overhaul and should be regulated by ONE WORLD BODY.

Too many crooks have controlled this beautiful sport for too long and too many fighters have suffered at the hands of those that in any other walk of life would be doing HARD TIME!

I’m no fan of Wards style, but his skills and his game are not up for debate but it’s disgusting that a sportsman and many others miss out on great fight-nights because of the filth that infests this noble sport.

It starts at the top, with the champs who earn big to make the change.

Mayweather asks for OST as standard as do one or two others but it’s really up to the fans to demand more.

Posted April 11, 2014 3:59 pm 


malachi

sweet!! Walrus, i remember that fight but sense then ward tightened up on the defense,,,he was a new jack on the scene still wet behind the ears and i cant wait to see him back in action!!

Posted April 11, 2014 3:50 pm 


walrus

I was in the third row when ward fought Darnell boont on the mayweather vs sharmba undercard. That was a tough fight were ward got dropped. I sat right behind rock Newman.

Posted April 11, 2014 3:44 pm 


malachi

HURRRY Back Champ we miss you!

Posted April 11, 2014 3:40 pm 



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