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Southpaw Brit

Excellent article, and objectively written. Great job.

Posted April 24, 2014 9:16 am 


TARK

Floyd wouldn’t beat Pacquiao “with relative ease.” Pacquiao has a style that would be murder on Floyd and that’s why Floyd reaches for any excuse to avoid fighting him.

But Pacquiao isn’t going away as long as Floyd is there to fight.

Pacquiao hasn’t lost anything. He proved that versus Rios, and in Bradley II.. If Pacquiao is a smattering off his peak, then Floyd has lost more than Pac … He’s older.

Posted April 13, 2014 6:39 pm 


Martin

@Matt

Okay, cheers, will do.

Posted April 13, 2014 12:51 pm 


M.O.Boxer

@Martin,

Indeed – it is unusual to find the “boxing/philosophy” combination of interests. Glad to know I am not the only one out there (actually I do have one other good friend who is into both, so I guess now there’s three of us, lol). Interesting that we both know “the Lodge” as well.

Send me an email any time mate.

Matt

Posted April 13, 2014 11:17 am 


Martin

@Matt

Forgot to mention: I occasionally think of writing articles for ESB but write for a living and am not too keen on handing out freebies, so am curious to know: did you receive any remuneration for this? (I could email you about it if you prefer?)

Posted April 13, 2014 7:18 am 


Martin

@Matt

Yes, I was being a bit mischievous with the Cumberland Lodge thing. I was just pleased to find out there was another soul out there who shares my peculiar combination of interests (i.e. philosophy and boxing), so after seeing your blog I googled your name with “philosophy birkbeck” to see if could find out which area of philosophy you worked on, and the Cumberland Lodge thing came up. When doing my PhD at Warwick the whole (very large) graduate school used to go there and it was always a mad piss-up, so there was another thing in common. However, I knew that mentioning it might freak you out, which is why I wrote the follow up comment.

Unfortunately my internet connection and/or the link I was using to watch the fight kept failing during the first half of the fight, but I saw it from round seven onwards and Pacquiao was clearly dominating. I continue to be surprised that Provodnikov (who, let’s not forget, was moving up to 147 from 140 and was given little chance) was able to hurt Bradley and put him down so many times, yet Pacquiao wasn’t. So, a very good and well-deserved victory for Pacquiao, but IMHO this is by no means the same Pacquiao who destroyed De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto and Margarito back in 2008-10. I would expect Floyd to beat this past-his-prime Pacquiao with relative ease, and it’d just a shame the fight didn’t happen five years ago.

Cheers.

Posted April 13, 2014 7:14 am 


TARK

This author is stupid.., The biggest difference between this fight and the last one was competent judging.

Scoring criteria are 4… But 3 criteria are tie breakers… used only if both fighters land the same number of punches that do about the same damage.

That’s the only time defense, effective aggressiveness, and ring generalship come into play.

Posted April 13, 2014 2:47 am 


Anonymous

The judge that was interviewed on HBO had Bradley winning a round where Pac landed 5 punches to Bradley’s 2, that judge resigned, another judge resigned also. The judge in the interview said that boxing fans, even professional fighters knew nothing about scoring a fight. Glad those idiots resigned and hope they buy some glasses……………..Pac won the first fight and also won the second one. Bradley admitted he lost tonight, but the author will probably call Bradley a liar, therefore claiming that Pac lost. I can see, actually better on TV than in person who is winning a fight. Pac is exciting to watch, I am sure the author’s favorite fighter is boring as hell………….

Posted April 13, 2014 2:21 am 


M.O.Boxer

Thank you everyone who left such positive comments about the article, and also to those who left some constructive criticism.

@Martin

Thanks a lot for your kind feedback – it is sincerely appreciated. It’s nice to know some people enjoyed the article and it at least provided a bit of food for thought.

I was nearly a bit freaked out then to be honest… not surprised that you found my blog info. but the Cumberland lodge part did surprise me! Forgot that I had written any comments on that topic. You’re right – didn’t find many at Birkbeck who were in to boxing.

You’re also right about the quotations, too: in my original document they were set off with indentations, unfortunately that got lost in the formatting on the site. May be too late to change it now, but I’ll know for next time.

My pick for this fight was Bradley on points, by the way. Thought he did very well in the first half of the fight but Pac took over later. I was still surprised with the 118-110 score for Pacquiao.

Cheers, anyway.

Matt

Posted April 13, 2014 2:18 am 


Hecdog

Manny Pacquiao once again puts on one of the most brilliant boxing displays in the history of boxing. No he didn’t get the stoppage as I thought he would, but it was incredible to see him live. The MGM Grand was the most exciting venue I have ever seen. Cheers of “Manny “Manny” “Manny” was electrifying. I am nearly deaf due to the volume of fans cheering, yelling and screaming at every single punch Manny Pacquiao landed. This was a tough fight that had its ebbs and flows, and Bradley started off well, but Manny as great fighters do began to change things up and masterfully pick Bradley apart. Manny Pacquiao seemed to me a little over trained and his timing was off a bit, but he fought a great fight as usual and took back the the welterweight title and the P4P Boxing King title tonight. He will be even better in his next fight. I attended an after party for an hour and had to go get some sleep due to the high emotions, excitement and the joy of seeing the living legend display his boxing skills that will never come this way again once he’s gone. The speed, movement, fighting heart, mastery of the ring had me and the entire MGM crowd in awe. A fighter shouldn’t be able to do the things Manny Pacquiao does inside a ring. He’s a chess master, a Gretzky, a Willie Mays. Manny Pacquiao solidified himself as the greatest fighter of all time and the greatest athlete of all time. I wanted to chisel out a piece of the MGM Grand to commemorate this artist. I ran into Roy Jones Jr, Terrence Crawford, Chavez and many more athletes like Charles Barkley. Manny Pacquiao brought home the title and gave everyone in the world a reason to smile and celebrate. What a victory, what a victory, what a victory. Manny Pacquiao gave me a Birthday present that I will never forget. I was in the presence of greatness. You will never see another 8 division boxing champion again. Manny’s mother was a blessing to see. She loves her son to no ends and watched and prayed for her loving son. This brought tears to my eyes. And then to see her hug Timothy Bradley like she did is as touching as you will ever see. Jinkee must be smiling with true joy to to her wonderful husband win back and bring home to his wife, family and his people another championship. Boxing is Manny Pacquiao. The world will never be the same once the PEOPLE’S Champion leaves this wonderful sport. This is the sport that the poor can relate to the best. Struggles, mental toughness, hope for the future, survival, instinct, going another step when you don’t think you can, fighting until the end. This is boxing, and that’s why so many people love Manny Pacquiao. What we witnessed today is the most loved, treasured and admired athlete of all times come back after all the tough times he’s endured in the last few years. He could have retired for good, but he didn’t. He could have lost faith, but he didn’t. He could have blamed everyone for his tough times, but he didn’t. What he did was trust God and not let go of his faith. The road tonight was not an easy one to take. There was pain, uncertainty and some rough goings, but Manny kept his faith and fought his way to a victory for those people that need it most in life. Manny carried all of us on his shoulders tonight, and he did not let us down. People, it’s time you give Manny Pacquiao his credit even if you don’t like him. He’s a wonderful person, true champion and a man that loves God. Trust me on this. Manny is the best!

Posted April 13, 2014 2:12 am 


Martin

P.S. Don’t be freaked out. I was just impressed by your article so googled your name and found your blog. Philosophy and boxing are two of my great passions too (I studied/taught at Manchester, Warwick and Bristol, and know some of the faculty at Birkbeck).

Anyway, cheers: enjoy the fight (on at a good godly hour for you, but it’ll be about 5-6am here … am setting my alarm and will try to get a bit of kip now).

Posted April 12, 2014 9:26 pm 


Martin

@Matt O’Brien

9.21am in Beijing…

Once you’re up and about, care to give us your thoughts on how you think the fight might go, Matt?

Or failing that, what did you write your dissertation on at Birkbeck?

Cumberland Lodge was a good piss-up, eh?

But I bet you didn’t find anyone on your course who was also into boxing, did you?

Posted April 12, 2014 9:21 pm 


Anonymous

Pac got robbed plain and simple.

Posted April 12, 2014 9:10 pm 


Another sad day for Pactards

Kareem Abdul Jabar is a Pactranny jock sniffing fan

Posted April 12, 2014 9:03 pm 


Another sad day for Pactards

Iv got PAC by SD.

Posted April 12, 2014 8:55 pm 


Mr. D

Excellent article about this fight, looking at all angles that it could have been scored.

Posted April 12, 2014 8:11 pm 


TARK

Bears.., I’ve got Pac by SD… but Tim could easily win. I’m taking the over.

Boxtra picked Pac by early KO… so you won’t be seeing much of him today or tomorrow — unless he thinks he can flim-flam everyone into believing his disciple made that call.

Posted April 12, 2014 8:03 pm 


lol

i hope uncle bob looks after jinkee tonight.

Posted April 12, 2014 6:38 pm 


cottos shiny bald head

Good read !

Posted April 12, 2014 6:35 pm 


Martin

@den

Yes, it’s just more boxing nonsense, so f u c k off.

Posted April 12, 2014 6:27 pm 


den

ALL I WANT TO KNOW IS THERE BLOOD TESTING IN THIS FIGHT OR IS THIS JUST MORE BOXING NON SENSE

Posted April 12, 2014 5:54 pm 


Bo Bo Olson

Thanks for a good fair article. I saw Pac miss a lot…and Bradley hit a lot more than most saw. Rose glasses is Rose glasses.
When I saw the tight Ali-Norton fight the first time, I had Norton winning the last round…many years later after looking at it many times….Ali took the first two minutes, Norton the last. I was biased for Norton.

Turn off the idiot’s sound and see the fight your self….or do you need your opinion formed by bias?

Posted April 12, 2014 5:52 pm 


niz

It looks a lot like Bradley has gotten himself mixed up with the mob. Which usually means when the odds are right the boy will pull the plug on him in the same manner he has been given more than one win.

Posted April 12, 2014 5:34 pm 


Roman

Manny won the first fight, but Tim received the decision. Tonight, I expect Manny to receive the decision.

Posted April 12, 2014 5:33 pm 


COACH DITKA (BEARS)

ghetto thugs are gonna be disjointed tonight

Posted April 12, 2014 5:30 pm 


Ghetto Thug

Desert Storm is gonna kick another butt tonight

Posted April 12, 2014 5:19 pm 


COACH DITKA (BEARS)

big time heist

I’m anxiously awaiting this fight tonight!!! TARK are you taking pac in this one?? I surprised I have not seen boxtra around for awhile. I wonder if he got the boot. I think were gonna see a BEASTLY pacman toinght. A WARPATH pacman!!!

Posted April 12, 2014 5:07 pm 


TARK

Duane Ford and C.J Ross have consistently been 2 of the WORST judges in HISTORY

Posted April 12, 2014 4:59 pm 


TARK

This pundit writes.., “I had Bradley landing around 24-25 blows, with Pacquiao landing about 25-26.” … WTF????

The words “around” or “about” are extremely imprecise. How many punches did you actually count? 17 punches? 30 punches? How many punches??? Give me the precise number of punches you counted. “About 24″ can mean any damned number.

It’s difficult enough to come up with correct numbers when you count the punches landed by each fighter—but when you’re vague about the number you actually arrived at it makes it that much more difficult to arrive at an accurate number. You can’t even tell me how many punches you counted in the first place.

Duane Ford and C.J Ross have consistently been 2 of the WORST referees in HISTORY.. and commentator Harold Lederman is even WORSE than they are.. He’s practically BLIND!!!

I’ll give you proof positive…

C.J. Ross scored an extremely important fight, Mayweather vs Alvarez, a DRAW!!! Floyd objectively won 10 rounds. You might accidentally give Canelo another round or 2 that were fairly close, just because you weren’t paying attention—which 2 of the judges did—but almost EVERYBODY knew who was winning that fight. It wasn’t a draw by any stretch of the imagination. Most fans didn’t score the rounds—but they knew Canelo was way behind.

Duane Ford scored the 12th round of the 1st Hopkins-Taylor fight for Taylor. Taylor was out-punched 12 to 5 that round, Hopkins was the aggressor, and landed the harder and more effective punches in that round, hurting Taylor. It was a dominant round and Ford was called in front of the Boxing commission to explain his scoring—because the round was decisive on his scorecard.

Harold Lederman had Paul Williams beating Carlos Quintana in their first fight… Williams was so weight drained that he barely made it through the fight, much less won it. Lederman gave the 1st round of Mayweather-Hatton to Hatton. Mayweather outpunched Hatton 21 to 5 in that round. Lederman had Hatton ahead after 6 rounds, even though Ricky had a point taken away for fouling and he was objectively losing every round.

And just because two or more horrendous or corrupt judges give a boxer a round—doesn’t mean there’s ANY argument that can be made that he objectively won that round. It can just as easily mean that those judges need to be fired.

Posted April 12, 2014 4:58 pm 


gray

it doesnt matter what sports writers had the first fight what matters is tonight – manny knows that – bradley knows that – we all know that and if anyone who has watched 24/7 knows the emotions going into fight are much different from the first fight. bradley has everything to prove pacman is fighting for his career end of!!!!

Posted April 12, 2014 4:51 pm 


K.C.

Te-turdo, why you worried about Jinkee? At least he has someone unlike you and your lonely keyboard

Posted April 12, 2014 4:13 pm 


Hecdog

Gentlemen. we are hours away from witnessing in our lifetime the greatest fighter in the history of the sport. What an incredible feeling to be here in Las Vegas to see Manny Pacquiao bring home the victory and the title. The weigh-in was a memorable won for the history books. “Manny” “Manny” “Manny” “Manny” “Manny” Manny” and i led the cheers. I made hundreds of friends. Unfortunately, a few jealous pigs tried to rob me and take my Manny Pacquiao jacket, shoes, hat and watch, but luckily, I have been watching Manny for years and used some of his moves to evade the criminals. And I know it was planned, but Manny’s graceful quick feet got me out of trouble. Manny Pacquiao fans, warning! be careful of people around here. Okay, that incident is history, and I’m well for those of you that had interest. Now back to this historic event. The stars are out all over the place. Everyone wants a piece of Manny Pacquiao. He looks in great shape as does Timothy Bradley. What is most impressive is that Manny has always had the physical body frame of a 130 pounder, yet he still destroys the bigger foes with his speed, power, agility, smarts, defense and unbelievable knowledge of the sport. Bradley is a bit too over confident and has been trying to get into Manny’s head, but he failed. Watch this fight very closely in the very first round because Bradley is going to be hit. As I’ve said, manny wins this fight before round 4 or no later than round 9. I watched Manny shadow box for a minute. IMPRESSIVE! I tell all of you. this man is like a race horse chewing at the bit ready to go. I had fans all on the right beat as we chanted loudly “Manny” “Manny” :Manny” “Manny” “Manny” “Manny” Manny” over and over again. I handed one of Manny’s handlers a t-shirt to sign, but I’m still waiting to get it back. Hope he didn’t take it for himself. Oh well, I’m here for Manny anyway. Get ready people, there is no other legend that enters the boxing ring like Manny Pacquiao. Manny is on an emotional high that will bring out the best in him. A bunch of Manny Pacquiao fans found out it was mu birthday at one of the restaurants in the casino, and they all bought me my dinner and drinks and gave me some Manny memorabilia. Incredible to see how humble, loving, caring and giving Manny Pacquiao fans are. They resemble the legend themselves. If you’re not here at the fight, purchase the PPV event or catch it at a friends house or sports bar because you will regret it for life if you miss this Manny Pacquiao event. Sin City has now become a cleansed city of angels because of Manny. I even forgive those criminals that tried to jump me. All is forgiven, but I’m not walking alone ever again. Time for my new Manny Pacquiao attire to cloth me. Manny Pacquiao is going to light up the world tonight, Trust me on this. Manny is the best!

Posted April 12, 2014 3:37 pm 


Martin

You see Matt? Folks round here are just too thick, I’m afraid. You deserve a better readership — an audience that possesses elementary comprehension skills, at the very least (!)

Sorry Tumbo. Perhaps you could start back at Red Book 1 and try to build your way up? (They say it’s never too late to try.)

Posted April 12, 2014 3:29 pm 


te tumbo

MARTINA, i started to take your advice when Obrien cited “Compubox” to further substantiate his thesis in the very next paragraph. combined with his list of notorious shills and this article has obviously been crafted for mainstream consumption. it has even less credibility than the approved panel of boxing judges Arum convened to redeem Manny’s* loss OUTside of a boxing ring. “Strike Three and YOU’RE OUTTA THERE BATTER!”

Posted April 12, 2014 3:18 pm 


KOrnerman

Whatever happens I bet its controversial.

Posted April 12, 2014 3:11 pm 


Havoc

Boxing is a gambling business!

Posted April 12, 2014 3:05 pm 


Martin

Anyway, I was blown away by this. I can think of no better analysis of exactly why it is that boxing is so difficult to score objectively, and it goes a long way towards explaining why so many fights end in “controversial decisions” and perceived injustices.

Perhaps the only way to arrive at consistently uncontroversial outcomes for fights would be to get rid of judges and referees altogether, and to let them fight it out for as many rounds as it takes until one or the other submits, dies, or is otherwise unable to continue?

That would work. Never mind the unspeakable barbarity and moral repugnance of it. After all, it could do wonders for PPV sales, and that’s all that really matters… Right Bob?

Posted April 12, 2014 3:01 pm 


Martin

@te tumba

See my comment to Fight Aficionado at 2:23 pm. It applies to you too.

Posted April 12, 2014 2:55 pm 


Martin

Errm, oh dear…

Sorry Matthew: as I suspected it would, it seems your article just went over the heads of even the regular and reasonably literate commenters here.

Shame, but I’m sure you can find a better venue for future publications, where you will also be able to get paid for your sterling efforts.

Posted April 12, 2014 2:55 pm 


te tumbo

this article immediately lost credibility when it cited notorious shills like Lampley, Lederman(?!?), Rafael, and Atlas for support. i routinely disagree with virtually everything these dumbsh*ts have been spouting for the past couple of decades. IMO, Lederman is the very worst scorer i have ever witnessed in my entire life. that’s how clueless and simply terrible i think Lederman is when it comes to scoring a fight. he’s simply AWful. the very Worst. even when he manages to get it right, he doesn’t know why. he at his best when the bout is a lopsided mismatch in one fighter’s favor. like a 12-year-old girl.

Posted April 12, 2014 2:50 pm 


Martin

@Matthew O’Brien:

It may not be clear on first reading that the bit that begins “You wanna keep in mind…” is a quotation from Ford. I guess it was indented in the original and that this got lost due to the website formatting, but given that it’s such an excellent article, I think it’d be worth fixing (a colon at the end of “at Lampley’s feet” followed by the Ford quote in quotation marks would fix it).

Cheers, and thanks again for such a superb article.

I hope you publish here again — and get paid for it!

Posted April 12, 2014 2:33 pm 


Martin

@Fight Aficionado

I suggest you try reading the article again, because you have clearly not even begun to understand it.

Posted April 12, 2014 2:23 pm 


Fight Aficionado

A decent breakdown of the first fight’s absurd scoring. Duane Ford and CJ Ross are out of boxing now and they’re the two retards who scored it 115-113. That speaks for itself.

Posted April 12, 2014 2:16 pm 


Martin

This is BY FAR the most intelligent, well-researched, and well-argued article on a boxing match that I have ever seen, not only on ESB, but anywhere.

I believe that ESB does not usually pay freelance writers who publish here, but I sincerely hope that the author was suitably remunerated for this.

Thank you, Matthew O’Brien!

Posted April 12, 2014 2:16 pm 


lou vega

best analysis I’ve seen

Posted April 12, 2014 2:14 pm 


EZ E

Yes, I thought Pac won, watched it a few times and Pac won every time, basically 115-113, which indicates what kind’a fight it was in my humble opinion. NO, it wasn’t the ‘robbery the HBO crew claims it was and YES, they outrageously “hugged” Pac throughout the fight. Bradley fought a smart fight. My pick tonight: Pac by decision but Bradley will make him earn it every step of the way. Would I be surprised if Bradley won?? NO!! Would I be surprised if the judges OVER-compensate Manny this time around? NO, of course not. Can’t wait!!

Posted April 12, 2014 1:29 pm 


Ghetto Thug

Bradley´s win over Pacquiao is as legit as Pacquiao´s win over his daddy JMM

Posted April 12, 2014 1:02 pm 


LaGs

HBO’s biased commentary on this fight really, really pissed me off. They sucked the penor of Pacquiao all night and rarely gave Bradley any credit

Posted April 12, 2014 12:59 pm 


GaryintheBronx

Good piece – I like the scoring comparisons. Many fights have been fought and long forgotten that have the same quirky scoring. Big fights like Ward v Froch could have went to the loser had the three people officially scoring rounds had agreed at key points. In fact, there were only 4 rounds of that fight the three Judges agreed Ward won. By the scoring, Andre could have lost the Super Six to Carl by a very wide margin.

Posted April 12, 2014 12:47 pm 


blackbert

Because there are so many people that don’t understand why Bradley told Pacquiao that he doesn’t have it anymore, and the fire is gone; let me explain. If he’d lost both feet vs Marquez or Provodnikov, he would’ve got KO’d. He’s saying if Pacquiao had lost both feet in their fight, he would have KO’d Pacquiao. He’s saying that after hurting both feet that Pacquiao didn’t really do anything. He didn’t he even really hurt him, much less knock him out; therefore, either the fire is gone or Pacquiao doesn’t have it anymore. I understand why Bradley is saying this. Put those two bad feet on Pacquiao and either Marquez, Bradley, or Provodnikov would certainly have stopped him.

Posted April 12, 2014 12:01 pm 


Danny Washington

i also thought Pacman won the first fight. But i also like Bradley, he doesnt get the respect he deserves, or the fights he deserves. I’m happy with whoever wins, as long as it’s a fair decision!

Posted April 12, 2014 11:48 am 


pragmatic

If you think a round could go either way in a championship bout, then the round goes to the reigning champ because the challenger didn’t clearly win the round. That’s how I score fights. Plus I seem to remember Bradley being dazed a number of times. Effective aggression there on Manny’s part. Bradley backpedaled a lot and didn’t set many traps so I gave ring generalship to Manny and again didn’t see the challenger trying to take the championship. Gotta bring back 15 round title fights or at least 13 rounds. Having an even number of rounds in a championship is a bad idea, it greatly increases the chances of having a draw ( fans lose, fighters lose, promoters / bookies win ) or a close decision where nobody is happy. Don’t care either way who wins this fight, I just want it to be a clear victory for either fighter.

Posted April 12, 2014 11:47 am 


Kid Hammer

Sorry was talking about first fight.

Posted April 12, 2014 11:29 am 


Kid Hammer

Boxing for many years was scored on the rounds system,

plus ref scored the fight also.wonder if this system was in place for this fight, would the

scoring be any difference.

Also title fights was 15 rounder.

Posted April 12, 2014 11:23 am 


te tumbo

correction: i saw Pacquiao* missing a whole lot of punches in his bout v. Bradley while the HBO shills consistently missed or neglected to call punches that Bradley was landing on their house fighter.

Posted April 12, 2014 11:18 am 


Proud African

Filipinos are very nice people though. Most Filipinos I’ve met are quite good. I’ve met lots of good Chinese people too.

Posted April 12, 2014 11:11 am 


Xavier

It was a relatively close fight, but Manny won it. He threw more punches and landed more punches in the majority of the rounds. What’s funny is that whatever way they arrived at it, TWO judges both scored 7 rounds to Tim Bradley…nah, that didn’t happen. Hope it’s a good fight tonight, both guys are safe and sound and may the best man legitimately win!

Posted April 12, 2014 10:54 am 


te tumbo

“Throwing punches doesn’t necessarily win you the fight. You also have to land them” preCISEly and i saw Pacquiao* missing a whole lot of punches in his bout v. Mayweather while the HBO shills consistently missed or neglected to call punches that Bradley was landing on their house fighter. typical HBO broadcast.

Posted April 12, 2014 10:50 am 


CurlyQ.Howard

Manny clearly won.

Posted April 12, 2014 10:43 am 


CurlyQ.Howard

Heist. An outrage,

Posted April 12, 2014 10:42 am 


PEEJ

Didn’t read the article but Pac clearly won the fight. It was no blow out. 7 to 5 or 8 to 4 in rounds is what I thought but Pac definitely being the winner. Throwing punches doesn’t necessarily win you the fight. You also have to land them

Posted April 12, 2014 10:37 am 


Tomato Can

Nice article for a change. I scored the fight for Pacquiao 115-113. If I would have been letting Lampley sway me, I probably would have saw it 119-109 for Pac. I really think Pacquio made the mistake of trying to win every round towards its end. Obviously he didn’t do enough in every round on everyone’s card.

Posted April 12, 2014 10:32 am 


Proud African

I had Timothy Bradley winning the fight. Many of the rounds were too close to call though. Pac missed most of his shots.

Posted April 12, 2014 10:22 am 


Kareem Abdul-Jabaar

Happyboy is obviously a Gayweather bum fan after his comment.Utter drivel man.

Posted April 12, 2014 9:54 am 


Tim

Dude. Most people felt that Pacman easily won the first fight. It was a robbery. But, to Bradley’s credit, he has greatly improved since then while pacman appears to have declined. I expect a tough fight tonight and if pacman wins, haters need to shut their mouths.

Posted April 12, 2014 9:45 am 


Furious Tyson

Good article. I remember watch Mosley vs Del La Hoya 2 with the sound on and thought Oscar was robbed. I watched it again later without the sound and thought Shane definately won. Having said that… I still though Pacquiao clearly won the first fight against Bradley

Posted April 12, 2014 9:38 am 


Happyboy

Even if Desert Storm were to KO Manny Pactards will come up with another excuse.

Posted April 12, 2014 9:36 am 


screwy louie

I saw the fight in a crowded bar where i couldn’t hear a single word from the hbo commentators and I wasn’t shocked that Bradley got the nod. It was close. It wasn’t the travesty that everybody said it was. Bradley can’t punch his way through a wet paper towel, but the boy has a v 12 in his chest and will not stop. it wasn’t his fault that the judges saw it his way. He was done cold. Give him his props for what he brings to the table.

Posted April 12, 2014 9:35 am 


Brazilian Boxing Fan

Terrible article.

Posted April 12, 2014 9:19 am 


Tony1244

Much like the Leonard-Hagler fight. Almost all rounds were close. I did NOT think this fight was highway robbery. I’ve seen MUCH worse.

Posted April 12, 2014 9:02 am 


Lenin

When we watched the fight, 3 of us had it 9 – 3 for Pac and 2 (including me) 8 – 4 for Pac. He won that one fair and square, but that’s the downside of boxing. It’s always been a shady business.

Posted April 12, 2014 9:01 am 


Livershot

It was a close fight but I had Pacquiao winning the fight. Take all the technical scoring from the equation and just do the eyeball test. Traditionally you have to take the title from the Champion by KO or beating him convincingly leaving no doubt in the fans eyes or the medias eyes. I thought Mauricio Herrera beat up Danny Garcia enough to win, that was more convincing than Bradley getting a decision over Pacquiao, but that didn’t happen. We all know that was a home job though.

Posted April 12, 2014 9:00 am 


srminimo

Great article! Well written and researched. I still think Pac won, but I do believe Lampley and team went a bit overboard that day.

Posted April 12, 2014 8:59 am 


Kareem Abdul-Jabaar

First fight 117 Pac 111 Bradley, I think it will go to points again I just hope the judges are not the three blind mice in disguise.

Posted April 12, 2014 8:57 am 


Octavius Jomar Chatman

I watched the fight and I felt Pacman won; but 11-1 is a bit much. I did not have a far margin like that.

Posted April 12, 2014 8:44 am 


Cheezb

Very good analysis. I can’t remember my exact final score, but when I score fights I take note of “swing” rounds.
In the end, I had Pacquiao winning the fight by some amount, but remember noting that if I had given all of my “swing” rounds to Bradley I would have gotten 115-113 in his favour as a couple of the official judges had it.
That said, it’s a bit odd to give all close rounds to one fighter like that. I do still think Pacquiao won fairly concisely.

Posted April 12, 2014 8:37 am 


House

Thank you Mr. O’Brien for an excellent article.

Posted April 12, 2014 8:23 am 


BEARS

dude everyone but bradley say heist

Posted April 12, 2014 8:12 am 


obbieman

Fight was closer than most people thought, but I still think Pacquiao won.

Posted April 12, 2014 8:04 am 



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Pacquiao-Bradley I Scoring Re-Visited: Heist or Hyperbole?









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