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Fight Aficionado

“Get off Floyd and Manny’s balls. All of you losers.” – Cosign.

Posted April 16, 2014 2:07 pm 


Hecdog

I can say with almost 100% certainty that Manny Pacquiao is the greatest fighter to ever live. His accomplishments, impact and influence on the sport and the great fighters he defeated leave no doubt in my mind that he is at the top. If you take in all the other factors like amateur experience, quality of trainer and access to quality gyms with quality fighters to work with, Manny is without a doubt the best ever. Can anyone imagine just how much greater Manny would have become if he had been raised in a boxing family like the Mayweathers along with the amateur experience and training in the Untied States. These missing pieces only make Manny Pacquiao stand head and shoulders above all past and present fighters. Manny Pacquiao learned to fight on his own. He became the only 8 division Boxing champion in history. He is at the top, and that accomplishment will never be duplicated again, trust me. A prime Manny Pacquiao had faster hands, better punching power, better agility and movement and more stamina than any fighter in history. If Manny had decided to stay at his best weight(140) that he can still make easily, no one would have ever beaten him. Manny is a miracle man to have stepped up and competed and defeated all those fighters in higher weight classes. Manny Pacquiao pound for pound IMHO is better than SR Robinson, SR Leonard. JC Chavez, H Armstrong, Kostya Tzyu, Tyson, Ali, RJ Junior, F Mayweather and others. Fans all remember Manny’s Reign of Terror as he tore through Barrera, Marquez, Hatton, De La Hoya, Margarito, Cotto, Clottey, Diaz, Mosely and others. His fights were the most action packed and exciting ever. Fans flocked from all over the world just to see him fight. Manny Pacquiao has always fought to make his fans happy. He is a warrior that challenged himself and never ran from anyone. Great fighters like Tyson, Roy Jones, Larry Holmes, Marvin Hagler, JC Chavez, Bradley, James Toney, Lennox Lewis, Roberto Duran and many more boxing legends have continually praised Manny Pacquiao. Fighters from all eras ahve been complimentary of this great iconic legend, and that speaks volumes about Manny Pacquiao the fighter and the man. Boxing fans today are lucky to have seen this once in a life time master piece of a fighter step into the ring and display his brilliance, greatness and unbelievable talent. Manny s more than a Picasso, more than a President, more than prodigy. Manny Pacquiao is boxing. I can still see the beautiful face of Dionesia Pacquiao cheering her son on with all of her passion, emotions and love for her son. She had a cross and her picture of baby Jesus as she was concerned for her son and prayed to God that Manny would not be hurt. There is nothing more touching and beautiful than to see a mother praying for her son and feeling each and every punch as if she was being hit. Manny Pacquiao should be proud to have such a loving and caring mother. Dionesia Pacquiao is a blessed lady to have given birth to the greatest fighter in boxing history. Trust me on this. Manny is the best ever!

Posted April 16, 2014 2:18 am 


Auzbox

Where’s largo

Posted April 16, 2014 12:48 am 


Anonymous

chickensheeeet is the problem he won’t sign.

Posted April 15, 2014 11:40 pm 


Adrian

Exactly tark , if it’s so difficult for PAC and easy for mayweather then mayweather should go for it especially since this would bring the most money in the table too ,what’s the problem here?

Posted April 15, 2014 11:27 pm 


TARK

Carytop.., “Deep down Pacquiao fans know Mayweather would be a damn difficult technical fight.”

It certainly would be a damned difficult fight.. I agree.. The difference is Pacquiao is up for the damned difficult fight… Floyd isn’t.

Posted April 15, 2014 11:22 pm 


wisps 173

Get off Floyd and Manny’s balls. All of you losers.

Posted April 15, 2014 9:16 pm 


BEARS

i would just like someone to explain to me how cloyd is more accomplished than pac if they believe floyd is more “accomplished”.

i can understand if someone makes a case for floyd being more skilled but not more accomplished.

pac vs floyd is very interesting stylistically. its possibly best offense outside a klitschko in pac vs best defense in floyd. both may and pac also probably have the best footwork in the game and their styles rely on this footwork most heavily. its a matchup that should have happened 3 years ago and knowing what i know now i would have favored pac back then. considering floyds lack of power and pax good punch resilience. now u have to favor the fraud i think but i would be rootin like a mother f***er for pac

Posted April 15, 2014 8:13 pm 


Hecdog

Kid Blast my friend, great post!

Posted April 15, 2014 7:22 pm 


Carytop

Yes, Tark, you are correct. I guess there is stupidity on both sides. Believe it or not, it’s Manny’s fans that irritate me much more than Pacquiao himself. I can still remember Floyd Mayweather being on ESPN and an obvious pro Pacquiao interviewer claimed that Manny was “undefeated”. Floyd looked completely startled and told the guy that Manny had been stopped twice plus had a decision loss to Morales. It’s the ignorance of some of his fans that is unacceptable. And with all the bashing they do of Mayweather, if Manny does win, then what would it mean? Will they backtrack and then say Mayweather was an all time great in order to elevate Pacquiao’s status? In other words, what does a win over a “ducker, coward, runner” mean? Deep down Pacquiao fans know Mayweather would be a damn difficult technical fight. Once in a while i’d like to hear one of them admit it.

Posted April 15, 2014 6:18 pm 


Adrian

I didn’t see peej post anywhere since Saturday ,I wonder why , he predicted Bradley to win on points …

Posted April 15, 2014 4:54 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“@FA you apparently don’t know Filipinos and their history very well. Why do you think they buy a billion dollars of skin whitening products per year? Why was Floyd Mayweather in noose on Pacland dot com? Are you kidding me? Do you know how they treat their own dark skinned people who live in poor areas? Have you ever ben to the PI?” – Birdhead, no I’ve not been there and don’t pretend to have any expertise on their culture. I have known a lot of Filipinos here in CA and Nevada though and never got a sense of racism. Only exception was a girlfriend whose parents didn’t like her dating a white dude but that’s common with all races IMO.

Posted April 15, 2014 4:46 pm 


K.C.

Pac-May is a fake fight… Proves nothing at this point in their careers due to one simple fact that both are past their primes… Now had this fight happen 3-5 yrs ago it would have been different. Only amateur fans would think such nonsense of a current match. Pac NOR May really mean anything to boxing…. If they fight in the near future, I think Fraud would win….And afterwards….it would have had no significance to the sport

Posted April 15, 2014 4:45 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Everyone’s still talking Pacquiao but IMO this is snuffing out the discussion of Canelo vs Lara. That’s a big development. Nearly everyone presumed Canelo would never fight Lara and here we are. If GBP puts Matthysse on the undercard this is a slam dunk card we’ll be happy to buy.

Posted April 15, 2014 4:44 pm 


TARK

The rest just want to see the biggest fight in world history: May-Pac

Posted April 15, 2014 4:32 pm 


TARK

carytop says.., “Tark you are wrong. Pacquiao fans DO dispute Floyd’s accomplishments ad nauseum.”

Only the stupid ones… They’re the vocal 5%… The rest just want to the biggest fight in world history: May-Pac

Posted April 15, 2014 4:31 pm 


poor floydiots

Floyd* running from The Fighter of the Decade and p4p nearest rival…

Posted April 15, 2014 4:08 pm 


carytop

Tark you are wrong. Pacquiao fans DO dispute Floyd’s accomplishments ad nauseum.

Posted April 15, 2014 3:34 pm 


carytop

Floyd softened up Oscar, Hatton and Shane for Manny’s punk ass

Posted April 15, 2014 3:33 pm 


TARK

BTW Floydiots.., Nobody disputes that Floyd is P4P#1, or the GOAT, or has unparalleled accomplishments in the history of professional boxing. That’s fine, but is NOT an excuse for ducking.

Stop being such a damned chickensh!t and fight Pacquiao. It’s the fight the whole world wants to see and there’s only one person who doesn’t want the fight: Floyd Mayweather Jr … He’s protecting that “O” because Pacquiao has a reasonable shot at actually beating him. THAT’S IT!!! That’s the only reason we can’t see this historic fight. Floyd is a coward.

FMJ would rather go through Hell soaked in oil than fight Pacquiao. There was a time in Floyd’s career when he was up for challenges and risks. Now that he sees he might retire undefeated while beating 25 world champs he’s become ridiculously risk adverse.

That means no May-Pac EVER!!!

Posted April 15, 2014 3:25 pm 


TARK

Great post Ted..,

Posted April 15, 2014 3:22 pm 


Rich

Carytop…Who wants to read all that drivel you have copied here…wake up you boring twat….

Posted April 15, 2014 3:06 pm 


Rich

Carytop…..Pelted with garbage….that’s clean coming from Mexs…they usually piss in a paper cup and throw it over an unconscious fighter…..or drink it

Posted April 15, 2014 3:03 pm 


Carytop

The Fighters Manny Pacquiao Ducked On His Way Up
JANUARY 14, 2011 BY LOU BLOCK 89 COMMENTS
By Lou Block
It is true that Manny “Pacman” Pacquiao has ducked a lot of boxers on his move up in weight. This is something that many casual fans of The Pacman have no idea about because they only started following Manny when he first appeared on HBO 24/7 against Oscar De La Hoya a handpicked, big name, opponent who was weight drained.
When Manny Pacquiao was at super featherweight (130 pounds) he only fought a washed up Erik Morales, Past it Marco Antonio Barrera, and Juan Manuel Marquez hoping he aged overnight. Manny also fought Oscar Larios who was coming up from 122 pounds to 130 pounds and Larios almost knocked Pacman out. Manny couldn’t even knock out a former super bantamweight, and people are insulting Floyd Mayweather Jr. for fighting Juan Manuel Marquez? But Manny cherry picked a smaller guy and almost got his ass kicked? c’mon what a joke.
The main fighters that Pacquiao ducked and avoided at super featherweight were undefeated slick black Dominican boxer Joan Guzman and a very tough Mexican Humberto Soto, both of those guys ended up fighting each other and Guzman won the fight by out slicking Soto. At the time Guzman was trained by one of the greatest boxing minds around Floyd Mayweather Sr. and Floyd and Guzman were calling Manny Pacquiao out but Manny never accepted the challenge, this was in 2007. Guzman in his prime was a very slick black fighter, so similar to Floyd Mayweather with his slick hit and not get hit style.
Watch the 2007 interview here at 2:19 Floyd Sr. discusses Guzman’s chances against Pacquiao

In 2008, when Manny was set to go up in weight to the lightweight (135 pounds) division to try and capture another world title in a different weight class he chose the paper champion David Diaz. The fight that all the boxing fans wanted to see was Manny Pacquiao versus the newly crowned unified lightweight champion Nate Campbell who beat up Juan Diaz for the belts giving him his first loss. A real old school boxer who is concerned with his legacy would have fought Nate Campbell because he was the real champion at lightweight. Pacquiao again avoided a slick black fighter.
After Manny defeated David Diaz to capture the WBC title, he fought Oscar De La Hoya and forced Oscar to drain himself to 147 instead of fighting him at a more reasonable 150 pounds catchweight. The win versus Oscar was a hollow victory, all it was is another name to pad Pacquiao’s record.
Shane Mosley beat up Antonio Margarito and called out Manny Pacquiao but Freddie Roach and Manny wanted no part of a guy like Mosley coming off a vicious knockout win over the most feared fighter at the time Antonio Margarito.
Here is the exact quote from Freddie Roach:
“Shane came to the gym twice to ask me to let him fight Manny,” Roach says. “I told him no both times, and both times for the same two reasons: First, there isn’t enough money there, and second, you’re too good a fighter.” (Source: LA Times)

Posted April 15, 2014 3:01 pm 


Carytop

People want to see artistry. That’s why Mayweather is the best in the world. Manny is simply a face first club fighter with multiple losses.

Posted April 15, 2014 3:01 pm 


Birdhead

@FA you apparently don’t know Filipinos and their history very well. Why do you think they buy a billion dollars of skin whitening products per year? Why was Floyd Mayweather in noose on Pacland dot com? Are you kidding me? Do you know how they treat their own dark skinned people who live in poor areas? Have you ever ben to the PI?

Posted April 15, 2014 3:00 pm 


Anonymous

you mean trannys.

Posted April 15, 2014 2:52 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“Filipinos are some of the most racist sob’s on earth.” – What? The Filipinos I’ve known seemed the opposite.

Posted April 15, 2014 2:36 pm 


3k Battery

Floyd is the consensus p4p best fighter in the world. That pisses off Pactards.

Posted April 15, 2014 2:15 pm 


Happyboy

Pactards never saw or took note of Heredia in JMM’s camp in the 3rd fight, only took notice after the KO on the 4th. Pacturds are generally slow people.

Posted April 15, 2014 1:57 pm 


carytop

Funny Roach says Manny is broke, Manny is not the same, Ariza gave Manny suspicious drinks yet not a peep out if Pactards. If Mayweather says it he gets sued. Go figure.

Posted April 15, 2014 1:51 pm 


Happyboy

Yes, clearly Bob is trying mighty hard to make the fight between Mayweather and Pacquiao

Posted April 15, 2014 1:49 pm 


Happyboy

To all you Pacfans : you gonna sue Floyd, then have your promoter state publicly that fans must boycott Floyd’s fight yet still expect Floyd to call him requesting for a 50/50 split?

Posted April 15, 2014 1:47 pm 


carytop

Mayweather v Castillo was close but not controversial. Floyd was not pelted with garbage as Manny was after his third fight with JMM.

Posted April 15, 2014 1:47 pm 


Happyboy

next fight will be Pac vs JMM 9 but first not without the usual act ( marketing) of trying to make the fight with Floyd. same ol crap, works everytime.

Posted April 15, 2014 1:37 pm 


Cupey Alto

@Mr EZ-E. Hells yeah.

Posted April 15, 2014 1:34 pm 


Happyboy

Neither Manny or Margo were jnr Middleweights, just bogus title created by Rob Arum and his cronies to fool crazy ass fans like Hidalgo, Hecdog & Chicago Guy.

Posted April 15, 2014 1:32 pm 


rustico torrecampo

Keep up the racist statements flips. All you have is a brain dead 5 loss broke corrupt steroid using fake congressman.

Posted April 15, 2014 1:18 pm 


rustico torrecampo

Filipinos are some of the most racist sob’s on earth. They despise blacks but the themselves are called ” the asian nikkas”. There was a photo of Mayweather in a noose on Manny’s web site once. Funny on asap all they do is try to dance and sing like blacks.

Posted April 15, 2014 1:17 pm 


loomis

hildago. margarito came 4/5 fights after manny fought mosley, the margo fight was 150 catchweight, not 154. I don,t support catchweights with Floyd manny or anyone else, if you wanna fight for a title then fight at the given weight ,if not don,t fight.

Posted April 15, 2014 12:25 pm 


Hidalgo

“lets be serious. guerrero had no business on any p4p list but shows up on his promoters p4p list ONLY.”

Bears, my dear nemesis, I’m with you 100% on this. I have always said–even long before the fight happened–that Guerrero was no top 10 P4P fighter and that he had no business being in the ring with Floyd. Robert was bumped up to top 10 P4P status to legitimize his challenge to, and eventual bout with Floyd. Result: The man could hardly touch Floyd for 12 rounds. What was the point of even making that fight?

Posted April 15, 2014 12:16 pm 


Hidalgo

“There’s very LITTLE risk. A guy Floyd BLITZED on the scorecards knocked Manny out cold. ”

There’s no way to judge how Floyd would fight Manny based on your comparison. Marquez/Mayweather was a bad style matchup. Marquez, like Mayweather is a counterpuncher. Marquez had to become the aggressor in his fight with Floyd and he failed miserably at it.

Pacquiao, on the other hand, is an effective aggressor. That’s an entirely different fighting style that Floyd would be facing.

And you know as well as anyone else that even though Marquez executed a perfectly timed right to Manny’s chin, Manny assisted in his own KO by becoming aggressively careless and walking into the punch.

But to hell with all that. Talk is cheap–yours and mine. All Floyd has to do to prove he would beat Manny Pacquiao is to fight him.

Posted April 15, 2014 12:08 pm 


TARKISM

talking about 50 Cent, anyone know when his massive stable of Trojan fighters are next going to fight? anyone know what’s going on with Gamboa and the rest of his crew? 50 needs to concentrate on getting his own house and fighters in order before he puts his pug nose in other people’s business.

Posted April 15, 2014 12:04 pm 


Hidalgo

Loomis, are you sure you know anything about boxing at all? Especially concerning Manny Pacquiao? Pac fought as a jr. middleweight once. One time only against Antonio Margarito. After that fight he and Freddie Roach announced that he would never fight as a jr. middleweight again–those guys are just too big for Pacquiao. Pac has fought only as a welterweight since his fight with Margarito. He will never fight in the jr. middleweight division again.

Posted April 15, 2014 11:40 am 


loomis

ANONYMOUS, you have started clutching at straws now looking for lefties lol. so it don,t matter about their skillset? my granny,s a left hander, does that put her in line to fight floyd? having said that, isn,t pacquaio available now to fight lara!! last time i checked, manny fights at welterweight just like floyd does. if your speaking to pacquaio on skype put the suggestion to him and let the board know.

Posted April 15, 2014 11:14 am 


Just The Facts

Hmmm, seems as if I remember that idiot Boxy arguing that all he cared about was what happens inside the RING!! He wasn’t into the TMZ aspects of what happens outside the RING!! But look, now the lying little weasel is not only speaking on Manny’s purses, he is now speaking on his alleged tax troubles. Could this be a case of blatant DEFLECTION?? Is he trying to cover for another in a long list of his erroneous picks?? Hey Boxboi, remove Floyds genitals from your lips and man the fcuk up for once in your pathetic excuse for a life.

Posted April 15, 2014 9:33 am 


loomis

anonymous….facts don,t lie, yeah believe 50 cent after him and floydie had a huge bustup!!! so stop acting silly now , BTW, don,t give any of manny,s promoter bob arum quotes whatever you say!! , do you you remember his most famous quote??? let me break it to ya….i was telling lies yesterday,but i,m telling the truth today… ha ha. try again.

Posted April 15, 2014 8:59 am 


TARKISM

Anonymous, is this the same 50 Cent who tweeted to his million plus twitter fans to invest in some crappy vitamin water and only after they did in droves did it come out that 50 Cent was a major share holder in said water company?
Yep, we really can trust 50, who goes around telling every one he is a gangsta and got shot in the mouth, yet he has run from the likes of Jadakiss, Fat Joe and many more true gangsters and 50 hides behind a bullet proof vest and is well known as a police informant!
Yep, 50 and his round the clock police guard.
Yep, let’s all believe 50.

Posted April 15, 2014 8:53 am 


Anonymous

Loomis!!!!!!!!! You are a complete IDIOT…..there are like 1000 lanes excuses why fraud maywheater …has beem avoiding MANNY and ypu still claim mannys team does not wana fight????….fraud its scared of manny… dont believe me?? Ask 50cents …..he wont lie

Posted April 15, 2014 8:46 am 


loomis

has everybody forgot that floyd offered to pay marquez 1 million dollars to step aside so he could fight pacquiao?? and marquez accepted and he would meet the winner…. has everybody forgot that roach said they could,nt do the fight because he,d need a 6 month camp to prepare manny!!!??come on, who doe,s a 6 month camp??….has everybody forgot that floyd phoned pacquiao to the phillipines and offered him $40.000.000 and that got turned down. who wants to fight and who does,nt??? you may say ahhh what about the drug testing scenario, this was floyds one demand , pacquaio got everything he wanted inc. gloves , ringwalk , etc….. who,s ducking who??? PACQUAIO,S TEAM DON,T WANT THE FIGHT. PERIOD

Posted April 15, 2014 7:40 am 


EZ E

@Cupey Alto You’re back??!! Cool!!

Posted April 15, 2014 7:36 am 


Haimat

TARKISM, so you’re one of the fan-boys blindly following Al Haymond’s message than Arum is to blame for fights not happening? Gullible! Arum’s been in the game for 50 years. He’s a true veteran. There’s nothing he wants more than make the huge fights.

Floyd or should I say Al Haymond’s decision not to do business with Arum has nothing to do with Arum. Fact. Go ahead and call me Arum’s gimp or whatever BS. Learn about what’s going on first.

Posted April 15, 2014 7:35 am 


TARKISM

Titopa

TARK – “Arum has tried for years and years to get the fight done”

Yeah, like that outdoor stadium that was gonna be built before the fight could happen…what ever happened to that thing? Are they building two, one for the 1st fight and another for the rematch? cause damn, it’s taking forever!

Posted April 14, 2014 5:59 pm

TARK is Bob Arum’s play gimp. They take turns in being each other’s mouthpiece.

Posted April 15, 2014 4:47 am 


TARKISM

I’m loving this new, aggressive version of HECDOG.

Posted April 15, 2014 4:45 am 


TARKISM

Hecdog

TARK

Hecdog… I said he wouldn’t fight Canelo at 154… Doing the fight at 152 was brilliant. Canelo was badly weight drained. He couldn’t even make 154 for Angulo after training for months. This time he paid the fine.

Brilliant option for him, rather than lose the fight..

He finally learned from Floyd, who refused to go below 146 for Marquez. Floyd would rather pay 600,000 dollars than risk losing … Canelo wised up and paid the fine.

Posted April 14, 2014 11:14 pm
No you never mentioned this issue until AFTER Canelo lost

Posted April 14, 2014 11:17 pm

Yep. Tark likes to post these theories after the event and then claim that he is clairovoyant. More than likely he is a self-congratulatory buffoon.

Posted April 15, 2014 4:42 am 


TARK

Plus.., Bradley outboxed Marquez and Pacquiao easily beat Bradley.

Posted April 15, 2014 2:36 am 


TARK

Yeah…, That’s why Floyd wants to fight Pacquiao so badly.

Common opponents don’t give you the picture.. Styles make fights.

Tszyu had and easy time KOing Judah.. Does that mean anything? Nope. Floyd couldn’t floor Judah but was floored by Judah — and Floyd had a tough time getting his bearings against the speedy southpaw.

Manny stopped Cotto and Floyd couldn’t. Manny clobbered DLH every round and stopped him, Floyd won a SD over him. Manny was killing Hatton from the start. Floyd took a while to get rid of him.

You point to the one mutual matchup that’s not favorable to Pac.. Marquez doesn’t do the shoulder roll.. He wasn’t a full welter when he faced Floyd.. He trained himself to the weight for Pacquiao.. But in their first meeting he was almost stopped in the first round. The 3 knockdown rule would have stopped it quickly if it were in effect.

But Pacquiao has a very difficult style for Floyd because of the quick right hook and weird angles his left come in at… It confused Marquez for a few minutes. He was knocked down 5 times in their series.

Posted April 15, 2014 2:32 am 


Boxtradamus

There’s very LITTLE risk. A guy Floyd BLITZED on the scorecards knocked Manny out cold. NO EXPERT in the World gives Manny much chance of out Boxing Floyd….and 24 rounds vs Bradley showed ME that he can’t knock him down or out.

Posted April 15, 2014 1:44 am 


TARK

I mean… Cotto was a tough fight for Floyd, but not a huge risk. This is.

Posted April 15, 2014 1:04 am 


TARK

And is avoiding the risk

Posted April 15, 2014 1:02 am 


TARK

te tumbo.., “Tark says that Mayweather “fears losing is 0″ v. Pacquiao* while at the same time refusing to post that he would favor Pacquiao* over Mayweather? what does Tark know that Mayweather doesn’t?”

I favor Floyd only if the fight actually takes place.

I know it would be a damned tough fight for Floyd. Unfortunately Floyd knows that too, as is avoiding the risk.

Posted April 15, 2014 1:01 am 


Hecdog

The BUZZ continues after Manny Pacquiao’s clear victory over a tough, hungry and more experienced Timothy Bradley. There are still those that still questioned the greatest fighter of this era and possibly the greatest fighter of all time. People need to realize that Manny Pacquiao has not taken an easy fight in the last 11 years. He has been in the most exciting fights of all time. This is a warrior with the physique of a natural light weight that has had to be forced to eat to make the weight. This is a small man in stature that challenged himself to take on the best and he beat them all. He could have easily stayed at 130 and never lost a fight, but he chose to be great and took risks and challenges through 8 weight classes. Unbelievable!!!!! Manny Pacquiao won last Saturday’s Mega Fight against Timothy Bradley, and he may have not looked like the Manny of old, but he still dominated. Yes he’s 35 years old, and the years of hard work and preparation may have worn on him a bit, but don’t think for one second he can’t beat Floyd Mayweather because he can. All great fighters like Manny Pacquiao still have it in them to put on a great performance. Remember, Bradley was familiar with Manny Pacquiao’s style because he went 12 rounds with him before so he has some familiarity with Manny’s unique style. The same goes for Marquez. They spent time in their with the legend. Floyd Mayweather has none. Manny Pacquiao would have Floyd Mayweather running, stumbling and holding on for dear life. Great fighters can do special things when put to the test. Manny is more than just a great fighter. He seems like he’s off balance at times, but he can hit you from anywhere. He looks small, but can hurt you at any time in a fight. He has great movement that can befuddle you at any time. Manny has the ability to change a fight at any time. He doesn’t have to destroy you to win. He can box, move or simply destroy you in a fight. Manny went from fighting a former champion in Rios, and boxing magnificently to fighting a P4P fighter that was unbeaten, and was out fought and out boxed throughout the fight. As I have always stated, Manny Pacquiao beats anyone on a one fight basis. His style is to complex to figure out, and Floyd Mayweather wants no part of Manny for this reason. Floyd Mayweather knows that he can’t compete with a great fighter like Manny Pacquiao. He won’t risk it or take a chance on losing, which he would. Boxing fans, Manny Pacquiao is the most celebrated and influential prize fighter that has ever lived. We don’t have to see PPV numbers to see the impact he has on peoples lives all over the world. Millions upon millions of Manny Pacquiao fans will never get to see him fight live or on TV because they can’t afford it or don’t have access to getting to venue where the fight is being shown. Manny Pacquiao crosses all boundaries when it comes to popularity. No one will account for those fans living in impoverished neighborhoods around the world. Manny is their only hope. He fights for justice. Manny Pacquiao cannot be denied his greatness by anyone. His character as a man and as a fighter is unblemished. This is a man of God that was put in this position for a reason, and he’s helping those in need. I think it’s time to stand up and salute the great Manny “Pac Man” Pacquiao. Excuse me for a brief moment as I stand and salute as many of you will also………………..Trust me on this, Manny is the best!

Posted April 15, 2014 12:32 am 


te tumbo

Tark says that Mayweather “fears losing is 0″ v. Pacquiao* while at the same time refusing to post that he would favor Pacquiao* over Mayweather? what does Tark know that Mayweather doesn’t?

Posted April 15, 2014 12:03 am 


Hecdog

Im having fun also you turnip tosser

Posted April 14, 2014 11:23 pm 


BEARS

lol im just having fun gonzo style. your bitter dude. pop one of your prozac daily pills u clearly need. u must be on some sort of seratonin reuptake inhibitor

Posted April 14, 2014 11:21 pm 


Hecdog

BEARS

gonzo is omnipresent- he can dish the Dionysian dithyrambs from the comforts if his own domicile nash your wank off root and stem at your place and feed it to u obliviously like that in the style of hanibal lector feeding that dude his own brain and he didnt know it. but in your case u have a mincey little dried up and rotten cancer ridden lab rat bullock for a brain. he does all this in the same moment. u will pay the price for your blasphemy. hecdog the blasphemer

Posted April 14, 2014 11:15 pm

Bears go find a tree to rub yourself against

Posted April 14, 2014 11:18 pm 


Hecdog

TARK

Hecdog… I said he wouldn’t fight Canelo at 154… Doing the fight at 152 was brilliant. Canelo was badly weight drained. He couldn’t even make 154 for Angulo after training for months. This time he paid the fine.

Brilliant option for him, rather than lose the fight..

He finally learned from Floyd, who refused to go below 146 for Marquez. Floyd would rather pay 600,000 dollars than risk losing … Canelo wised up and paid the fine.

Posted April 14, 2014 11:14 pm
No you never mentioned this issue until AFTER Canelo lost

Posted April 14, 2014 11:17 pm 


BEARS

gonzo is omnipresent- he can dish the Dionysian dithyrambs from the comforts if his own domicile nash your wank off root and stem at your place and feed it to u obliviously like that in the style of hanibal lector feeding that dude his own brain and he didnt know it. but in your case u have a mincey little dried up and rotten cancer ridden lab rat bullock for a brain. he does all this in the same moment. u will pay the price for your blasphemy. hecdog the blasphemer

Posted April 14, 2014 11:15 pm 


TARK

Hecdog… I said he wouldn’t fight Canelo at 154… Doing the fight at 152 was brilliant. Canelo was badly weight drained. He couldn’t even make 154 for Angulo after training for months. This time he paid the fine.

Brilliant option for him, rather than lose the fight..

He finally learned from Floyd, who refused to go below 146 for Marquez. Floyd would rather pay 600,000 dollars than risk losing … Canelo wised up and paid the fine.

Posted April 14, 2014 11:14 pm 


dweeb

Tark is a dweeb. He loves Pacquiao.

Posted April 14, 2014 11:08 pm 


BEARS

how dare u squeak with such insolence? i would biatch slap you into submission if i was not afraid u would give me a bum bump (1)in the process while u swung back widely and wildly in a feminine way.

1) see kevin hart for an explanation of bum bump

Posted April 14, 2014 11:07 pm 


Hecdog

You said the same thing about Canelo Tark

Posted April 14, 2014 11:05 pm 


zzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Anyone who reads Gonzo the Vaggot has the brains of a maggot. Two seconds is enough to know he has nothing but stupidity to offer.

Posted April 14, 2014 11:05 pm 


TARK

Floyd doesn’t fear Pacquiao… He fears losing his “O”

He’s not going to fight Pacquiao whatever happens, because he knows he’s a very tough opponent for him.

Posted April 14, 2014 11:01 pm 


Hecdog

BEARS

hecdog- how dare u soeak with such insolence concerning gonzo the great? you are a lower tier poster and doing that sort of thing will get u banned

Posted April 14, 2014 10:57 pm

gonzo is licking your ball sack and anuuss also i see

Posted April 14, 2014 10:59 pm 


Hecdog

TARK

Titopa… “instead of continuing to outbox Manny”

He wasn’t outboxing Manny ever… After 6 he was behind 58-56… After 12 he was behind 117-111.

Bradley was undefeated, about 30-0 going in, having beaten guys like Juan Manuel Marquez and Ruslan Provodnikov. Lamont Peterson he beat 118-110 and versus Kedall Holt he won 10 of 12 rounds when Holt was going real good. He went to England and beat Junior Witter in his backyard when he had only 19 fights.

He’s a great fighter — but Pacquiao basically dominated him.. This is one reason I want to see May-Pac.. It’s one Hell of a fight … and world wants to see it.

Only one person doesn’t want to see it.

Posted April 14, 2014 9:14 pm

Your wrong Tark Mannys mother wants to view this fight also

Posted April 14, 2014 10:58 pm 


BEARS

hecdog- how dare u soeak with such insolence concerning gonzo the great? you are a lower tier poster and doing that sort of thing will get u banned

Posted April 14, 2014 10:57 pm 


Hecdog

Gonzo the Dragonborn

I am the greatest poster in this site’s illustrious history = FACT.

I am the only Tier 1 poster on here.

I have never lost a debate on here = FACT.

It’s practically impossible to defeat me in a debate = FACT (I double dare any of you to dare even try ROFL)

Posted April 14, 2014 10:06 pm

Go away wit your lame @rse self and retarded post about there being a tier level . In your childish head does this place exist you donky @rse licking ball scratching stymie smelly dwarf licking turnip tossing alcoholic

PS Manny is the best chuck out the rest . Trust me on the above it is all true you anuss licker you

Posted April 14, 2014 10:55 pm 


Manny “Fighter of Floyd’s prime decade” Pacquiao

Pac hurt Tim almost every time he hit him clean. Tim probably has the best chin in boxing. I understand why Floyd Sr fears for Floyds life in a fight with Pac I do now also.

Posted April 14, 2014 10:20 pm 


Manny “Fighter of Floyd’s prime decade” Pacquiao

Pac will knock fragile Floyd out cold he has the skills to fight in Pacs league but not the chin. Floyd is easy work for Pac easy.

Posted April 14, 2014 10:15 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

It’s Me, Ernie

Much respect to Brother Gonzo, the man, the myth, the legend…

Posted March 7, 2014 2:25 am

It’s Me, Ernie

Standing alone @ Tier One must be lonely at times, but your valor is much respected by us common aspiring folk. To be so generous with your gifting of points is honorable, yet at the same time viciously revoking them as needed is just pure beauty in its simplest form. Being Gonzo is a responsibility bestowed on you, and you handle it like Maidana handled Broner…

Posted March 7, 2014 2:23 am

Mangus

Gonzo is hella funny.

He’s also nearly always on point too.

Posted March 5, 2014 1:01 pm

Joseph Herron

LOL…I see the self proclaimed “Raven” (Gonzo) is spanking everyone on this site once again…LOL

Posted February 11, 2014 1:28 am

spartacus65

Goodevening. Gonzo the dragon born/ Edgar Allen Poe, sir I have to say you are one gutsy bloke. Your posts are definitely like how should I say? A virtual whirlwind of creativity! Like watching a cross between Pacquiao and Aaron Pryor. There is a method to the madness there for certain. Must admit I do enjoy them if for nothing more than the humor laced with some thought provoking view points. Peace and strength and a hearty cheers to you soldier.

Posted February 11, 2014 12:55 am

BEARS

everyone know your number one gonzo i dont think any sane mind disputes that fact.

Posted February 10, 2014 10:21 pm

BEARS

WOW!!! what a post GONZO!!! well said!!! well said!!! look out gonzo can wow a dude with his posts. hands down best post on this thread! THIS GUY gonzo is not number for no reason son.

Posted February 10, 2014 10:08 pm

Mayweather86

Gonzo is by far one if the most entertaining posters on here get a sense of humor and enjoy life a little.

Posted February 1, 2014 9:48 pm

BEARS

gonzo! thats my guy right there! number one poster on east side. better hope he forgives your boxing knowledge sins

Posted September 3, 2013 8:30 pm

Joseph Herron

Vivic’s vernacular, Gonzo’s gags, and old Yank’s yarns are part of what makes ESB the great boxing site going.

Posted August 31, 2013 2:12 pm

It’s Me, Ernie

Another fine example why Brother Gonzo is at Tier One…

Posted September 2, 2013 12:26 pm

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Brother Gonzo. With that uniquely creative imagination and those wordsmithing skills you could write dark, macabre, action-adventure/horror-thrillers for a living. You could be the next Edgar Allen Poe and not even realize it.
– Posted August 21, 2013 3:34 pm

Turbo-H@mster

You have made a mistake now boy.

You don`t have to worry about who Gonzo is, you need to worry about what he is. He is a force of n@ture. He has f-c-u-k-d a hurric@ne. When he was born, even his d@ddy called him d@ddy.

Imagine if you will a Tsun@mi, but rather than being made of water, it is comprised of pure Ande@n Cond0r mixed with l@shings of Clint E@stwood circa 1964, Fistful of Doll@rs er@.

Now imagine that Tsun@mi g@thering it`s force up on Tier one, which I can tell you extends upwards of 22,000 feet, and is a place where ordin@ry humans would require Oxygen m@sks, so as I say imagine it g@thering it`s force, growing and growing, lightening flicker!ng, the smell of ozone in the air and word-pairings, and syll@bals clash together.
Then there is a creak as the Golden doors of tier one are pulled open by Tera P@trick and Scarlett Joh@nnson wearing nothing but smiles, and a hungry look for e@ch other.

You have a moments silence where you have the ins@ne hope that nothing will happen.

But then, suddenly there it is.

A million cubic tons of Vulture E@stwood Dragonborn fury pouring from the sky, slicing it`s way towards your very soul.

At the tip of this Tsnum@i you`ll see a sneer!ng pair of lips form, which as they grow closer draw back to reveal a set of kn@shers intent on dam@ge.

Realising your error you back away, head twisting, seek!ng an esc@pe.

You tr!p and fall onto your back and cover your eyes.

But this can do nothing to stop the be@st you have unleashed from settling it`s jaws upon your most pr!zed possess!ons and r!pping them out root and stem with a crunching twist.

That my friend is Gonzo.

If you feel this is an ex@ggeration then b@re this in mind. Do you know Keyzer Soze? Of course you do, everyone has heard of him. What most people do not know however is that Keyzer once borrowed Gonzo’s Ferr@ri 250 GT, and returned it without filling the t@nk.

This is why Gonzo now possesses a mousem@t made from Keyzers scr-0-tum.

Posted April 14, 2014 10:12 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

I am the greatest poster in this site’s illustrious history = FACT.

I am the only Tier 1 poster on here.

I have never lost a debate on here = FACT.

It’s practically impossible to defeat me in a debate = FACT (I double dare any of you to dare even try ROFL)

Posted April 14, 2014 10:06 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Edit>

TARK is a 3000 year old wheelchair-bound vampire and he drinks his own @nus blood out of an Imperial Russian Cossack regiment’s silver&niello horn wine goblet and he has a penchant for bathing in ”negro urine” = FACT.

Vincent Price had more charisma in his little finger than the rest of humankind has in their whole bodies combined = FACT.

Gonzo makes lots of typos = FACT.

Posted April 14, 2014 10:03 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

ROFL at all this bickering still going on. Look, there are just certain things in this world that are open to dispute and there are certain things that aren’t. For instance:

Floyd is sh!t scared of Manny = FACT.

Floyd has been ducking Manny since like forever = FACT.

Flomos have smaller brains than normal humans = FACT.

PEEJ eats his own feces and drinks baboon urine = FACT.

PEEJ loves Scat-Pron = FACT.

Vivek Wallace is the worst ‘journalist’ in the history of journalism = FACT.

Vivek Wallace also eats his own feces, drinks baboon urine and loves Scat-Pron = FACT.

Vivek Wallace was kicked out of the Nation of Islam for being a homosexual = FACT.

Andre Ward has the personality of a Belgian Mannequin = FACT.

Andre Ward is an incredibly disingenuous faux Christian pampered faux Christian filthy dirty cheating b@stard = FACT.

Prime Sergio Leone, Clint Eastwood, Ennio Morricone, Eli Wallach and Lee Van Cleef all working on one movie at the same time is pure cinema gold = FACT.

Johnny Cash was a bad-ass = FACT.

Rachel Riley of Countdown fame is horny as hell = FACT.

TARK is a 3000 year old wheelchair-bound vampire and he drinks his own @nus blood out of an Imperial Russian Cossack regiment’s silver&niello horn wine goblet and he has a penchant for bathing in ”negro urine”.

Vincent Price had more charisma in his little finger than the rest of humankind has in their whole bodies combined.

Vivek Wallace looks like a cross between Howard Brown and Virgil Hunter’s dad and is a terrible ‘journalist’ = FACT.

Posted April 14, 2014 10:01 pm 


Adrian

Lol PAC just beat a p4p nr3 and to haters like Vivek that’s not enough because he “slowed a bit” lmao !!!
Nooooo shieeeet ??? Of course he “slowed a bit” because he is not a 135 pounder anymore just like mayweather slowed a bit that’s normal but don’t forget with age you slow but you gain experience too

Posted April 14, 2014 9:50 pm 


TARK

You notice they’re not putting Froch-Groves II anywhere but a stadium that holds over 80,000 people… Because it’s a super hot fight.

They can’t do it anywhere else and accommodate the massive demand by Brits who want to see it live. They could sell 200,000 tickets but no stadium in England is that large.

Putting May-Pac anywhere but a massive stadium seems unbelievably stupid. Why pass up another 60 million dollars? Jerry Jones was begging for the fight. I’m certain other stadium owners would love to stage the fight also… It would be the biggest paid publicity in the world for them. There’s never been an event like this since time began.

Posted April 14, 2014 9:46 pm 


Old Coot

All I know it’s time for Floyd to quit being skurred then step up and TRY to shut us Pac Fans up!

Posted April 14, 2014 9:45 pm 


Adrian

Vivek Vivek , how come you and vitally never fail to write every articles at the same time and sometimes you even put vitally as the author in the ” left hook lounge” but then later change it ? Lol
And when it comes to the articles they are the same all the time bashing PAC between the lines and talk gossips about his camp ? !! Who gives a ccccraaap about ??!! At least not right after a fight , instead of analizing the fight you spent 80% gossiping ,Freddy said that Freddy said this… Talk about the fight not about arum and frenzy you will have plenty of time talking about them later lol… Oh and btw how about an article about your favorite hw Amir monsaur who was suppose to clean up the hw devision?

Posted April 14, 2014 9:43 pm 


Manny “Fighter of Floyd’s prime decade” Pacquiao

When’s Floyd gonna step up in class and fight an elite ww. I think Cotto scared him back down to the b leagues.

Posted April 14, 2014 9:25 pm 


BEARS

fraud will never fight outside vegas unless he can inject the xylocaine in his fragile hands still

Posted April 14, 2014 9:24 pm 


BEARS

isnt it funny how this floyd nuthugger below talks as thiugh floyd already beat maidana and tries to big up floyd with a win he has not gotten?

whats funny is its a total foregone conclusion like guerrero. not even on the list of fights floyd SHOULD BE MAKING ATTHIS TIME. absolute garbage and this nuthuffer sits here and deffends the utter garbage. even pretends fraud cAn boast about it cause its such a great scalp to reap. Again i ask u why in the world should floyd be ranked so high? people talk about he has fought so many p4p and chAmps.

lets be serious. guerrero had no business on any p4p list but shows up on his promoters p4p list ONLY. guerrero flat footed featherfisted beer bellied garbage who totally fell off the map as well as ortiz. team fraud builds the con sells these turds as legit, stage a horrible mismatch, then their gone.

post retired oscar, waaaaay past it mosely, baldomir, waaaay past it gatti, ortiz, guerrero, maidana, kahn. and a plethora of fighters he failed to face. boiled down canelo.
these nuthuffers talk x ammount of p4p opponents and x ammount of champs but when u say their names and or conditions its laughable. its a joke.

your telling me frauds the best because of who he fought? no way! castillo and corales dont get u there my man. neither does outweighing jmm so bad u wouldnt way in on fight night. list frauds not 5 wins and the reality of that opponents or fight ruins it. past it, post retired, multi loss, outweighed, boiled down, or just not that great of a fighter

Posted April 14, 2014 9:22 pm 


Hidalgo

“Arum wasn’t going to DO the Fight without the stadium. He SAID it made no economic sense to DO it without the Stadium. Otherwise the Fight would have been held at the MGM Grand on May 5th 2012….Pacquiao basically chose to Fight Marquez at the MGM Grand over facing Floyd at the MGM Grand.”

There’s a lot more to the story that what you just wrote Boxtra$$wipe.

Arum and Schaefer had considered holding the fight at Cowboys Stadium in Dallas. But then Schaefer cancelled a trip to Dallas to meet with Jerry Jones, even after Jones had proven very receptive to the idea and changed his schedule to accommodate Arum and Schaefer to hold talks about it. After that, Schaefer also eliminated Atlanta and New Orleans as possible locations, and Manny didn’t want to fight in Los Angeles for tax reasons.

As a result, in December 2009 Bob Arum backed out of negotiations for a Pacquiao/Mayweather fight because Richard Schaefer, said the fight would be held at the MGM Grand or there would be no fight at all.

Arum was looking for a very big venue to hold the fight. Dallas stadium seats around 80,000 people, so it had the capacity to hold nearly five times as many fans as the MGM Grand. This is why Arum wanted to build a stadium–to maximize gate revenues from the fight. This is why Arum said it didn’t make economic sense to do it without the stadium.

Posted April 14, 2014 9:17 pm 


TARK

Titopa… “instead of continuing to outbox Manny”

He wasn’t outboxing Manny ever… After 6 he was behind 58-56… After 12 he was behind 117-111.

Bradley was undefeated, about 30-0 going in, having beaten guys like Juan Manuel Marquez and Ruslan Provodnikov. Lamont Peterson he beat 118-110 and versus Kedall Holt he won 10 of 12 rounds when Holt was going real good. He went to England and beat Junior Witter in his backyard when he had only 19 fights.

He’s a great fighter — but Pacquiao basically dominated him.. This is one reason I want to see May-Pac.. It’s one Hell of a fight … and world wants to see it.

Only one person doesn’t want to see it.

Posted April 14, 2014 9:14 pm 


Fraud May

You all need to leave that nonsense of “suspiciously” using PEDs. If Marquez passed his tests, leave it at that. Pacquioa too. Hes been clean as far as we know. Pacquioa took his loss like a man and called it a PERFECT punch. Had nothing to do with PEDs.

Posted April 14, 2014 9:13 pm 


Old Coot

@ Anonymous: That’s right… Until Hulk Marquez’ KO in their fourth bout, Manny was only KO’d when he was a dehydrated professional novice, struggling to make weight, and before he even heard of Roach!

Posted April 14, 2014 9:02 pm 


Auzbox

Guerro beating berto haha he is an easy beat. Canelo is years off his prime. Maidana is khans leftovers hahaha

Posted April 14, 2014 9:02 pm 


Anonymous

More Floydiots who can’t count.”Manny has been KTFO 5 times.” That’s 3 times. Marquez was the first time he was stopped in 14 years and the first head shot that ever knocked him out.

Posted April 14, 2014 8:58 pm 


Old Coot

TARK: Exactly… Now I know part of Roach’s spiel is the business of trying to increase ticket and PPV sales, with promises of KOs, but making such promises against such notoriously iron-bearded opponents, only to fail, over and over again, hurts both his and Manny’s legacies alike. But then again you gotta figure they likely don’t care, just as long as the money comes in. I know Arum don’t care.

Posted April 14, 2014 8:55 pm 


teflon

Bradley simply fights dumb he was winning the fight but the fool instead of continuing to outbox Manny tried to Ko him and punches himself out. Bradley has no composure nor patience. He did the same thing with Ruslan and almost left on a stretcher. Manny simply took over after the six round no question. But a more disciplined experienced fighter would hand Manny his ass he is not the same as he was in 09, no longer bigger and stronger. Maybe the PEDS? Clearly he should have Koed Rios. I say as long as Manny keeps fighting guys like Bradley and Marquez he wins. But as soon and I hope it somes the day he faces Floyd or a Danny Garcia which they both have called him out he will be done…

Posted April 14, 2014 8:52 pm 


TARK

Old Coot you’re right… Roach talked about Manny KOing Rios and Manny KOing Bradley… These are 2 super tough guys who are not going to go out unless they get caught with a perfect punch… A perfect punch is more of an accident than anything else.

Manny was beating people down from 112 to 140… at 147 he’s very small… He’s just not going to get many guys out of there.. Look how skinny his arms looked compared to Bradley.. He’s not even trying to match these guys in size and strength anymore, because he can’t do it.

Manny Pacquiao.., “I’m not going to eat 5 meals a day anymore. It makes me sick. It makes me tired. I get stomach aches. I’m just going to eat 3 regular meals and come in a couple pounds less … I won’t even have to dry out that way. I’ll have more energy at 143 to 145.” … That was after Cheato Rito, because he couldn’t hold the weight no matter how much and how many meals he ate. He refused to take any more fights at that weight.

He has to use speed, skills, finesse, experience, endurance, and heart to beat most of the guys at 147. Most of them are coming down from 160.

Posted April 14, 2014 8:44 pm 


BEARS

poor floyd nuthugger just talked up guerrero and maidana. what a flake. i read the first sentence or two and stopped thinking this dude does not know his a$$ from a hole in the ground

Posted April 14, 2014 8:42 pm 


poor pacturds

Floyd has beat guys in there prime. Canelo was undefeated Miadana was 4 wins in a row. Guerrero had just beat Berto. Manny fights guys coming off losses or have weight issues. Mannys speed and power everyone has dealt with so all of a sudden Floyd cant deal with it? Manny has been KTFO 5 times. Marquez was walked all overby Floyd. Marquez is the same guy KOed Manny. Style wise if a 40 year old Mexican and time him coming in and drop him what the hell do the think the best counter puncher in the business would do? No to mention Manny walked away from the fight in 09 seems to me a man that is afraid wouldn’t go through the trouble of making a fight happen if he really didn’t want it. I guess Floyd knew he would turn it down? Poor pactards Arum wont let his boy fight Floyd regardless of what he feeds Mannys nutthuggers in the media. Hell if the fight was to happen it would be a mismatch and you Manny ass lickers will swear Floyd waiting until Manny was past his prime. Hell Bradley was giving it to Manny but he ran out of gas. All these punches from different angle mean what? He is open to counter and getting tagged.

Posted April 14, 2014 8:37 pm 


BEARS

to cycle the hardcore anabolics your injecting it into a muscle mass. i dont know how u can get from drinks and how much it will translate into gains but everyone that gets caught u wonder how many go without getting caught. i would bet a ton of people use peds in some form in boxing

Posted April 14, 2014 8:28 pm 


TARK

Titopa.., Roach is an idiot… He freaked out over Marquez’s appearance in fight IV.. The guy is a great trainer but has a low IQ.. He doesn’t think.. If he suspects Ariza is putting something illegal into Pacquiao’s health drinks he needs to quietly confiscate some of it — and then sneak off to a lab to have it tested…

If it was nothing but amino acids, bee pollen, royal jelly, and dark chocolate, he wouldn’t have to flap his yap about PEDs and wind up with a law suit being filed against him for defamation.

Posted April 14, 2014 8:07 pm 


Old Coot

And speaking of Floyd, Arum, and Floyd’ hypocrisy… It’s funny how when Floyd was himself, under Arum… He ALSO used to say “It’s up to my promoter” all the time… But then when Manny does the same, suddenly, Floyd thinks he should “be his own man?”

Posted April 14, 2014 8:04 pm 


Old Coot

Titopa: Nope… Manny sued him because boxing is hard work and before you just try to destroy a man’s legacy, you have to have a reason to suspect him, like how when Marquez hired Heredia… Not just because Floyd and his pops had the spiteful notion out of sour grapes after the Hatton loss, by saying “I’m scared Manny will kick my ass, so he GOTTA be on something!”

Posted April 14, 2014 8:00 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – That just means chances are Pacquiao was taking something illegal, not saying he DID, but Roach certainly suggests that he was. Remember, no one forced Roach to say these things, that’s not even my opinion, those are accusations coming from Pacquiao’s OWN TRAINER!

Posted April 14, 2014 7:57 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – LOL! So, if Manny was clean he should’ve proved it, except he took the easy way out and sued instead. Way to prove you’re clean eh?

Posted April 14, 2014 7:55 pm 


TARK

Arum doesn’ like Floyd… Floyd basically declared Arum a scumbag he wouldn’t have anything to do with… So Arum is supposed to love the guy?

I can’t stand Arum myself… He tried to excuse Cheato… He’s got 3 left feet and talks out of 2 sides of his mouth… He’s a lying cheating jerk who didn’t take care of Pacquiao’s finances… He’s got the morals of Don King and De La Hoya rolled into one.

But if he’s a promoter in a fight I want to see I still work with him… It was never a problem for Floyd until he ran out of excuses to avoid Pacquiao.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:54 pm 


Old Coot

Titopa: Man, I was just trying to get you to see why Manny was justified in suspecting Marquez after he hired Heredia, and how FLOYD was NEVER, EVER justified in suspecting Manny when he did.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:54 pm 


Boxtradamus

Get em FACTS!!!! Arum and Koncz SAID that the Fight made no economic sense at MGM Grand yet Floyd and Canelo proceeded to make the Richest Fight in History there!!! The FACTS remain Undefeated!!

Posted April 14, 2014 7:53 pm 


Old Coot

If Ariza did do that, it’s good he was fired.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:51 pm 


Titopa

TARK – A couple?? More like 95% of those Pactards are so butt hurt over Pac losing that they’ll say the stupidest things EVER! “Pacquiao is so humble in defeat”…..then go and say “fck Marquez, he’s a pussy cheater who got lucky” LOL!!

Posted April 14, 2014 7:51 pm 


Old Coot

@ TARK: Git ‘em!! If it ain’t PEDs, purse/PPV splits, or stadiums, it’s “Manny ain’t worthy no more”, or Arum! They just look naive, and stupid trying to keep Floyd from the beat-down, instead of pushing him to TRY and shut Manny’s fans up already… Manny and us have always been ready to take the risk… Floyd just hasn’t and still isn’t!!

Posted April 14, 2014 7:49 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – According to Roach, Ariza “is shady” and “gave Pacquiao mysterious drinks”…..let me guess, that didn’t happen huh? LOL Y’all know more than Roach

Posted April 14, 2014 7:49 pm 


TARK

95% of Pacquiao’s fans aren’t accusing Marquez of PEDs…

Hecdog is… Maybe a couple other idiots.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:48 pm 


The Prince

Bob Arum is calling fans to boycott Mayweather’s upcoming fight, yet expects Mayweather to do business with him to fight Pacquiao? Nonsense. Floyd’s fight already sold out weeks after it was announced, and after Manny’s victory over Bradley, the PPV gate for the upcoming Mayweather fight will be huge.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:47 pm 


Titopa

TARK – Tell that to Rob Arum, he’s the one who said “we need to build a stadium” LOL, he wanted to maximize the profit and now suddenly they’ll fight “for charity” LOL

Posted April 14, 2014 7:47 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – A cheat is a cheat and a second chance is a second chance….like I said before, anyone says “Pac’s a cheater” you wussies say “where’s the proof?”…then you guys go and say “Marquez is a cheater”, we say “where’ the proof?” and y’all say he hired a cheater. While guess what, Roach himself said Ariza is shady, therefore Manny hired someone who’s shady and gave him (according to Roach) “mysterious drinks”…so, I guess Pac’s a cheater too then, just by association since that’s all it takes according to you guys.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:46 pm 


Old Coot

Another sad day for Pactards: Yeah, so I suppose you think Ariza would be so careless to risk his new gig with Rios by cheating… After NEVER testing positive with Manny? Gimme a break… He was trying to keep his job, not go to jail.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:45 pm 


TARK

Stadium??? No stadium??? I could give a fk less…

Just give me the fight… I’ll buy a ticket. Floyd will probably win.. but he doesn’t want to take the chance because Pacquiao is an ATG fighter and it might get tough in there.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:43 pm 


Boxtradamus

More BS from TARK. Arum wasn’t going to DO the Fight without the stadium. He SAID it made no economic sense to DO it without the Stadium. Otherwise the Fight would have been held at the MGM Grand on May 5th 2012….Pacquiao basically chose to Fight Marquez at the MGM Grand over facing Floyd at the MGM Grand.

POOR economic sense

Posted April 14, 2014 7:43 pm 


Old Coot

Titopa: Because you don’t need a drug test to check for glove bricks FOOL!! Just diligent eyeballs… Dayum you dumb!!

Posted April 14, 2014 7:41 pm 


Another sad day for Pactards

And Rios tested positive with Pacroides former personal trainer…

Posted April 14, 2014 7:40 pm 


Old Coot

TARK: You tell ‘em… Cowboys Stadium was there all along… But like I said… Texas don’t allow Zylocaine… So you know Floyd wasn’t going.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:39 pm 


TARK

Boxtradamus.., “like trying to get Johnny Cochran to admit OJ Simpson committed murder.”

The jury agreed with Cochran… That was his only job… When asked about his opinion of Simpson’s guilt, Cochran said, “I’m an advocate… My job was to present the case for OJ.

I’m NOT an advocate… My deal is, I want to see the May-Pac fight.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:39 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – Okay, then why did Pacquiao give a PROVEN CHEAT like MargaCheato a second chance? So, it’s okay for MargaCheato to be forgiven but Marquez has to be blamed for something this fool did with OTHER fighters years go? Okay, how does that make sense? Pacquiao isn’t even accusing Marquez which is funny, only his cowardly fans are.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:39 pm 


Old Coot

@Another sad day for Pactards: You know damned well that it was on Max Boxing… Talking about how Manny had to pay Floyd off for the defamation suit, and about the three test failures Floyd had hid from NSAC before fights, and I’m sure the NSAC really knew, but likely played dumb because of all the revenue the fights would bring to Vegas… They basically risked these guys’ lives gratuitously for PPV.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:38 pm 


Boxtradamus

Just LOOK down below. He even agreed with the Most anticipated Fight being pushed BACK SO that the Fighters make MORE money..as IF that has any bearing on the fans. The Fans wanted to SEE it ASAP. No one gave an F about a Stadium IF it meant ANOTHER delay in the Fight being made….But TARK agrees with it because Pacs Team SAID it. IF Floyd had SAID it he’d be tearing him a NEW one.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:37 pm 


TARK

The stadium wasn’t an excuse… That’s just another red herring Floydiots throw out there because they don’t want to blame Floyd for being the biggest chickensh!t in history!!!

Arum was going to do the fight with or without a stadium. But you only build the stadium if you get an agreement from both parties … Floyd didn’t like a stadium??? FINE… No stadium.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:35 pm 


Old Coot

Floydiacs can never admit that Floyd and they, are using all this BS… i.e., PEDs, purse-splits, recent losses, and still being in Bob Arum stable, to help floyd duck or run out he clock on that potential beatdown.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:34 pm 


Boxtradamus

TARK is a Pacquiao apologist. Its like trying to get Johnny Cochran to admit OJ Simpson’s fault. Its not going to happen. You can hit TARK with FACTS until you’re BLUE in the FACE. But he will still apologize for Pac. Admitting NO fault on Pac’s part. He’s in LA LA LAND.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:33 pm 


wisps 173

Haimat= Tamiah
Lovelorn & Confused

Hildago= He gets no sex.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:32 pm 


Old Coot

@ Titopa: WOW!!… Are you really that dense? What part of Marquez HIRED A CONVICTED CHEAT to be his S&C coach, don’t you get?… It was potential guilt by Heredia’s shady past… And that was clearly still an issue which is why they asked Marquez, Nacho, and Heredia about it on 24/7, and that’s only when Marquez said he’d take any test.

And you never answereed, how come after 3 bouts where he barely fazed Manny, suddenly OLDER Marquez could ONLY knock-down and KO Manny after he hired this guy… HUH?

Posted April 14, 2014 7:31 pm 


TARK

You know 50 cents was always a Floyd guy… But you know what??? He wanted to see the fight too.. So he got on Floyd’s case about it.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:31 pm 


TARK

Titopa…, Don’t put me in Hecdog’s camp man…

You never heard that crap from me… I’m a Floyd guy… I just want the fight, and Floyd is holding it up.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:28 pm 


Titopa

TARK – Yeah, he said that once Floyd said “eff you”, they were making it hard…first drug tests, then Pacquiao wanted a cutt off day, then he had a cut that wouldn’t heal on time after Floyd got permission to get his jail sentence pushed back, then it was this “outdoor stadium” that needed to be built….Pffttttt! Yet, Floyd has excuses?

Posted April 14, 2014 7:28 pm 


Titopa

TARK – Another funny thing about you Pactards is that you adore Pacquiao for his humble ways and for being a good sport….yet you guys are SO vastly different as fans. Manny Pacquiao took his loss to Marquez like a MAN, yet all you guys act like pussies calling Marquez a cheater who landed a lucky punch…meanwhile, Pacquiao is forgiving proven cheaters (MargaCheato) and saying “he deserves a second chance”, c’mon!

Posted April 14, 2014 7:26 pm 


TARK

Bernie Madoff isn’t getting out Boxtra… More ignorance.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:24 pm 


TARK

Titopa.., That’s exactly why there are no cutoff days today.

Pacquiao angrily told his people, “I don’t care about cutoff dates. Don’t let that tie it up. Get rid of the cutoff dates and we’ll take random tests up to the day of the fight, and do them between rounds if Floyd wants … Just get the damned fight done.”

Posted April 14, 2014 7:23 pm 


Boxtradamus

Pac might as well go ahead a HIRE Bernie Madoff when he gets out of prison TOO.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:22 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – Marquez never had ANY history of PED’s either, so, if you wanna blame Marquez then you gotta blame Pacquiao too….except one said “NO” to tests and the other said “YES”. I’ll trust the guy who said yes, plus, Roach came out and said Ariza was giving Pacquiao “mysterious drinks” LOL. So, he says “NO” to tests and then Roach calls Ariza shady. Hmm.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:21 pm 


Boxtradamus

Nope. Arum screwed Pac out of the Fight and SO did his idiotic Financial adviser. They turned down $50 mil to make 20. …..The DUMBEST BUM on the corner is still smart enough to take 50 over 20. Stick a $50 bill and a $20 bill out the window and give them a choice and SEE which one they take…….Pac is SO dumb that he still has Koncz as his financial adviser even after going 70 Mil in debt with him.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:19 pm 


TARK

… “So you want me at 152??? DONE!!! Anything else?”

NOPE!!! It didn’t go down like that … Mayweather-Canelo took a while to iron out. No fight is negotiated in 3 minutes… Boxtradamus is extremely naive.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:19 pm 


Old Coot

Titopa: You wake up… If Marquez just hired a convicted PED mastermind, what else could he say but “I’ll take any test”?…

However, when Floyd falsely accused Manny, there was NO history with cheating whatsoever… NONE!! That’s why Floyd had to pay him for defamation too…

But Marquez, due to Heredia’s history, couldn’t sue Manny, for asking for tests. Savvy? Again… YOU WAKE UP MAN!

Posted April 14, 2014 7:15 pm 


Titopa

TARK – How long did it take for Pacquiao to say never mind on the cut off day? A long time. As a matter of fact, Arum was the first one to say “fight is off” cause of the cut of day, they couldn’t get passed that, why? If Pac was clean, why not say “yes”? Why the 14 day without tests?

Posted April 14, 2014 7:14 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – yeah, kinda like saying Marquez cheated with ZERO proof, again, hypocrites! Y’all are a bunch of hypocrites. Why didn’t Pacquiao try to call Floyd’s bluff? Why not say “okay, I’ll take the tests”?? Like that, we’ll know really who was ducking who, yet Manny said “Okay, but I need 14 days without a test”?? LOL

Posted April 14, 2014 7:13 pm 


TARK

And Pacquiao has a contract with TR… They want May-Pac to happen… Floyd is the guy screwing Pac out of the fight.

The negotiated a cutoff date… That was the practice then for blood tests in Boxing… Later they did away with cutoff dates and don’t use them anymore… You go with what’s happening and they both agreed to a cutoff date… That’s the main deal … Then Floyd walked.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:12 pm 


Old Coot

And Floydiots, trying to re-hash Floyd’s doping assertions with zero cause, is just as big a fool’s errand today, as it ever was… Espeically when you consider the only proven cheater of the two is Floyd… Zylocaine shots, and THREE failed drug tests that we now know Floyd likely paid to have covered up from NSAC! Cotto, Ortiz, and Mosley, should sue Floyd for attempted murder!

Posted April 14, 2014 7:11 pm 


Boxtradamus

Canelo has MUCH more economic acumen than Pacquiao. He demanded the Fight and he GOT it. He didn’t have tge Fight at his doorstep and then say NO. Lets build a stadium SO I can make even MORE money. Nope. He went ahead and participated in the Richest Fight in History at the MGM Grand…..YOU want ME at 152???? YUP I’ll DO that TOO. Anything else???

Thats called economic sense.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:10 pm 


Fraud May

Havoc- look whos talking. So you deny that? Give me a break dude. Everyone knows Pacquioa got tired of Mayweathers excuses to the point where he said fine watever lets do this. PUBLICLY. Yet Mayweather seems to get bothered by questions about Pacquioa. Almost leaving in tears to the dressing room…haha

Posted April 14, 2014 7:09 pm 


Titopa

TARK – Why did he need a cut off day? Since when does a CLEAN fighter need a cut off day? Marquez never needed one, he said “any test”…Pac said “okay, but I need 14 days”?? LOL okay!

Posted April 14, 2014 7:09 pm 


TARK

Titopa…, Pacquiao always said yes to the tests, and never said no. They were negotiating the cutoff dates, that’s all.

When they finally ironed out a time frame for the tests Floyd took a powder. Which he did every time an agreement was reached.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:08 pm 


Titopa

Havoc – Floyd told Manny to leave Top Rank cause they were screwing him out of a fight with Floyd, Top Rank STILL wants more than Pacquiao is worth…plus, Floyd’s not saying anything ALL of us agree with, Pacquiao SHOULD leave Top Stank, they SUCK!! Rob Arum is a crook and a greedy old scumbag.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:07 pm 


Fraud May

The stadium was simply an idea. Dont get it twisted. Leave ur promoter or the fight doesnt happen, is a demand. When did Arum say or the fight wont happen? The idea of building a stadium was to generate more money for BOTH fighters including Floyd, and somehow Arum is greedy? More money for the man who loves money and yet he doesnt seem intrested? It was to push the fight foward. But Floyd is always busy with other things.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:05 pm 


TARK

A great strength trainer can jack up your strength in a few months, without PEDs.

If you eat slow cooked grass fed beef, that’s never been trough fed… and the cattle are free to roam their natural grassy environment until the day they’re harvested.. and eat organically grown vegetables and whole grains… and are coached through the right mix of weight training and plyometrics… where you never go to failure on the reps… you can get pretty damned strong and lean in a way that’s great for boxing.

So just because you look harder, leaner, and stronger, doesn’t mean you were taking PEDs.. Marquez didn’t do that well versus Tim Bradley, did he??? He got his ass boxed off.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:04 pm 


largo

“First off, wheres LARGO? He had Bradley by KO..lol.”…hahahaha, Fraud May, give me my crow, i’m eating it hot.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:04 pm 


Havoc

Fraud May

To my knowledge Pacquioa already agreed to OSDT and to a lesser purse. Then Floyd comes out with another ridiculous demand like leave his promoter and yet that somehow doesnt strike anyone as odd or a retarded request?
Posted April 14, 2014 6:59 pm

You’re knowledge does not extend past your own nose

Posted April 14, 2014 7:03 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – So what, did he not say “I’ll take ANY test, I have nothing to hide”?? Yes he did. Marquez acted like a MAN…Pacquiao meanwhile said “NO” to the tests and opted to sue instead. C’mon man! Wake up!

Posted April 14, 2014 7:03 pm 


Boxtradamus

“I would postpone a fight for a month if I could get an extra 20 to 30 million dollars”-SO then YOU would have been left with the Marquez and Bradley Fights TOO. Like a BIG DUMMY. SO now instead of making $50 mil in ONE Fight he had to Fight 2 or 3 times to make that. Thats called NO economic sense. Thats why he owes money to the IRS. His teams economic acumen is extremely POOR.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:02 pm 


Fraud May

To my knowledge Pacquioa already agreed to OSDT and to a lesser purse. Then Floyd comes out with another ridiculous demand like leave his promoter and yet that somehow doesnt strike anyone as odd or a retarded request?

Posted April 14, 2014 6:59 pm 


Boxtradamus

First they wanted the most revenue for the Fight and then he wants to Fight for CHARITY. LOL. They can’t make UP their minds. LMFAO. You could have fought for CHARITY at the MGM Grand on May 5th 2012. What did you need a stadium for????

Floyd fought in the 2 Richest Fights in History in the MGM Grand. A stadium being built was no factor in that. Cowboys Stadium is no factor in the Richest Fights in History either…. We call that EXCUSES.

Posted April 14, 2014 6:56 pm 


Another sad day for Pactards

And pacroide the juicer still won’t take the drug test. Against a former jr. Lightweight (Mayweather)

Posted April 14, 2014 6:52 pm 


Boxtradamus

SO to sum UP the 2 articles that I just posted…Team Pacquiao avoided the Fight in May 2012 due to GREED. And the quotes stating those FACTS are right from the horses MOUTHS…..And thats why he got knocked out by Marquez SOON afterwards. God does not like GREED.

Posted April 14, 2014 6:52 pm 


Old Coot

@ Boxtradamus: LOL!! Rehash old tired argmuments all you like, we are talking now, and time machines are not possible for the past… Meaning, all that matters is today… And like I said earlier… AT&T Stadium, aka Cowboys Stadium, is availible for ten times the revenue capacity right now… But of course TMT, Floyd won’t go there for the ‘money’, because Texas don’t allow his Zylocaine edge, like Vegas does.

Posted April 14, 2014 6:51 pm 


Boxtradamus

But not more creative than Arum and Koncz….according to them it made no economic sense to make the Richest Fight in History but it made sense to go on to face Bradley instead. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABAAAAA!!!……Not to mention that Floyd went on to make the Richest Fight in History out of that VERY venue WITHOUT them.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAAA!!!!

Posted April 14, 2014 6:51 pm 


Another sad day for Pactards

And you Pactards praise mannyss every time Manny fights the same fighters over and over and over.whats next.a tea match with Rios? Cause we know Manny loved to fight Mexicans he already beat.

Posted April 14, 2014 6:50 pm 


Fraud May

I think Manny Pacquioa should just crash Mayweather’s post fight conference and ask Mayweather when they will fight? Kinda like when Lara went up to Canelo. Lara was polite and simply asked and he got the fight.

Posted April 14, 2014 6:49 pm 


Fraud May

First off, wheres LARGO? He had Bradley by KO..lol. Second, why did Mayweather come back to boxing? I dont see how he can claim being great by avoiding the biggest fight of his life. The WORLD is still waiting. Stop with the BS. Stop with the excuses. Broner talked but at least he was man enough to jump 2 weight classes. Mayweather still wont fight a former featherweight (Pacquioa).

Posted April 14, 2014 6:48 pm 


Another sad day for Pactards

@Auzboz. So your giving Mayweather $hit for fighting one of the toughest most improved fighter in the game. Yet PAC last fight he fought a blown up lightweight C- fighter coming off a loss.

Posted April 14, 2014 6:48 pm 


TARK

I would postpone a fight for a month if I could get an extra 20 to 30 million dollars… Instead of 50 million each they could get 80 million each. Floyd wasn’t really concerned about the money. His top priority was not getting beat, and deep-sixing the fight — so he always tried to something contrary to where it was heading…

But if you met Floyd on one contentious issue he’d invent another one.

Such as, “It looks like we have an agreement” and Floyd goes on vacation and leaves everybody standing at the altar again. He can get pretty creative when he doesn’t want to fight.

Posted April 14, 2014 6:46 pm 


Old Coot

Titopa: Apples and oranges man… As I have said many times before… Floyd had ZERO basis (no failed tests, or even rumors of PED use), NOTHING, other than “Manny is too good” for accusing Manny of cheating.

However, when Manny questioned Marquez, Juan had just hired a convicted PED cheater as his S&C coach, named Heredia. And you see how suddenly Marquez looked like the Hulk afterwards, and although when he was younger, he could barely faze Manny, but suddenly while near 40 and after hiring Heredia, He KO’d Manny?!! GTFOH!!

Posted April 14, 2014 6:44 pm 


Boxtradamus

Titopa-they will DO what they always DO. They can’t attack the FACTS that I’m stating SO they attack ME to no avail.

Posted April 14, 2014 6:37 pm 


Titopa

Boxtradamus – Yesssss!! keep the facts coming.

Posted April 14, 2014 6:36 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – So, what’s your excuse as a Pacquiao fan to accuse Marquez? Like I said, y’all are SERIOUS hypocrites.

Posted April 14, 2014 6:33 pm 


Boxtradamus

MANILA, Philippines — Manny Pacquiao’s camp says there is no economic sense in setting up a bout with Floyd Mayweather on May 5 after the unbeaten American publicly challenged the Filipino champion via Twitter.

Pacquiao’s financial adviser Michael Koncz told The Associated Press on Thursday that a 45,000-seat boxing arena being built in Las Vegas won’t be finished before the end of May and staging the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight in a smaller venue is “foolish from an economic standpoint.”

Mayweather challenged and taunted Pacquiao to a May 5 bout in a tweet on Tuesday.

“Manny Pacquiao I’m calling you out let’s fight May 5th and give the world what they want to see,” he tweeted.

Mayweather is available for a fight in May at the MGM Grand Garden after a judge agreed last week to postpone his jail sentence for domestic violence until June. Mayweather was sentenced to 87 days in jail, but likely will serve less time.

The MGM Grand seats about 17,000, which could fetch around $20 million in sales, but the larger arena could raise an additional $30 million, Koncz said.

“Why would I tell Manny to fight on the 5th and throw away a percentage of 30 million? That’s crazy,” he said.

Top Rank promoter Bob Arum has told the Philippines’ GMA television the only reason the fight won’t happen is if there is an “economic problem.”

He said the fight “could happen very, very easily” at the end of May — enough time to build the outdoor arena “the fight so badly needs.”

“I will also guarantee Manny’s purse,” he said. “In other words, Manny doesn’t want to go into the ring and just fight out a percentage.”

He said Mayweather is looking for “outside parties to guarantee his end of the purse.”

“So, until he finds the angel, there is no fight,” Arum said.

In a separate interview with GMA, Pacquiao said that if Mayweather agrees to a “50-50 sharing, there will be no problem.”

“The purse is not the issue right now, the date is,” Koncz said. “But we don’t have a problem splitting it 50-50.”

Posted April 14, 2014 6:32 pm 


Titopa

Boxtradamus – What are you doing posting facts? Don’t you know that’s blasphemy. LOL Wait until the Pactards see that, you’re in for some outrageous replies.

Posted April 14, 2014 6:28 pm 


Boxtradamus

Of COURSE Manny DUCKED once again.

Posted April 14, 2014 6:27 pm 


Boxtradamus

In December, Bob Arum told news that a May 5, 2012 was being pursued and that the two parties would sign the agreement by December 31, 2012. “That’s the priority.” Arum added “We’re working on trying to make that a reality. But you have to understand that this isn’t the kind of fight you make in 15 minutes. It doesn’t work that way. It takes time, and my obligation is to get Manny the best deal possible.”

Arum’s assertions were clear. He also claimed in December that (a) both camps had an agreed upon date and (b) were working to finalize the deal by December 31. But now new reports this week claim that Arum hadn’t agreed upon a date, a venue, a gate, financial arraignments, and even the projected audience reach.

Fans are furious. Suddenly, now Arum says that May 5 was never agreed upon, that no agreement was ready to be signed, and that the venue hadn’t even been chosen. What is going on with these two camps?

Arum now claims that Floyd wants to fight May 5 at the MGM Grand which houses 16,500. Arum now claims he wants to build a temporary stadium in Las Vegas to house 45,000 people. He says that venue couldn’t be built until the end of May. He says the venue costs $7 million to build, but the gate will make $60 million, not $20 million at the MGM. “It’s an extra $20 million for each fighter which is a lot of money. But that’s a choice the fighters have to make”.

Floyd fumed on Twitter this week “My Jail Sentence was pushed back because the date was locked in. Step up Punk.” Floyd added “Manny Pacquiao I’m calling you out let’s fight May 5th and give the world what they want to see.”

Posted April 14, 2014 6:25 pm 


Titopa

When Pacquiao was accused, he sued, when Marquez was accused he said “I’ll take any test, I have nothing to hide”….hmmm. I guess Manny isn’t afraid eh?

Posted April 14, 2014 6:23 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – Not even giving blood? or needles? Didn’t Pacquiao sue rather than prove by taking the test? Correct me if I’m wrong!

Posted April 14, 2014 6:22 pm 


Old Coot

Titopa: Nope… I don’t think Manny has EVER been afraid of ANYTHING when it comes to Floyd. Only Floyd clearly has and still is.

Posted April 14, 2014 6:18 pm 


Titopa

Boxtradamus – Don’t forget that Floyd also offered Marquez 1 million to step aside so he can fight Pacquiao, but Arum decided to match Pacquiao with Cotto instead….these Pactards have NO clue, they love Pacquiao so much that they’re completely blind to the truth and they’re extremely hypocritical.

Posted April 14, 2014 6:17 pm 


Boxtradamus

IF Pacquiao can FINALLY score a knockout over Marquez the Mayweather Fight will be a big as it ever WAS or BIGGER.

Posted April 14, 2014 6:05 pm 


Auzbox

Simple for all you floydoids. Manny fighting the 1 ranked guy in the division. Floyd fighting who? A guy that beat an easy beat lightweight in broner hahahaha

Posted April 14, 2014 6:04 pm 


Boxtradamus

LMFAO!!!!! Last time Floyd tried to make the Fight was before he went to jail. Before got an extension to stay out and Fight Arum had announced that Pacquiao would Fight on May 5th….of course this was BEFORE he knew that Floyd would be available on May 5th….and then as SOON as the news hit the FAN that Floyd was available for May 5th Arum came UP with excuses out the ASS. He says “OH NO Pacquiao’s cut won’t be healed in time” also he said “a Stadium needs to be built for that Fight. And then he SAID that Pacquiao is looking to Fight during Floyd’s incarceration and its not our fault that Floyd won’t be available. Also he says “there’s not enough time to promote a Fight of this magnitude” LOL. Sounds like a guy that wants to make the Fight to ME……NOT.

Posted April 14, 2014 6:03 pm 


Titopa

TARK – “Arum has tried for years and years to get the fight done”

Yeah, like that outdoor stadium that was gonna be built before the fight could happen…what ever happened to that thing? Are they building two, one for the 1st fight and another for the rematch? cause damn, it’s taking forever!

Posted April 14, 2014 5:59 pm 


TARK

PEEJ says, “Bob Arum is ducking the fight.” … LMFAO!!!

Arum has tried for years and years to get the fight done.. Floyd even walked off when a deal was struck and said he was going on vacation, “The last thing I want to think about now is boxing. I’m on vacation.”

Floyd left everybody at the altar.. Floyd never said Arum was a problem before.. it’s a brand new excuse for Floyd.

Arum wants the fight… Floyd doesn’t.

Posted April 14, 2014 5:40 pm 


TARK

PEEJ…, VADA screwed up the Pacquiao-Rios tests… That’s why Pacquiao went with the Randomized Olympic Style Drug Testing that was more thorough and professional than VADA.

Brandon Rios complained that the clowns at VADA—which convicted and jailed PED pusher Victor Conte is mixed up with—didn’t even have a proper testing kit when they came in to take his samples after the fight.. His samples probably got contaminated because of that.. The Chinese testing agency that does tests for Olympic athletes also took samples from Rios. They were extremely professional and said Rios was clean.

Pacquiao came out clean in VADA and the Chinese agency tests, but Pac believes Rios was also clean, like Brandon swears he was… Therefore Pac went for a more professional and reliable organization this time around.

Posted April 14, 2014 5:33 pm 


Titopa

Old Coot – I don’t think Manny is scared, but Rob Arum is, he’s the reason this fight hasn’t happened…and YES, Manny is still pretty reluctant to take the bests tests, Roach himself said he didn’t know what Ariza was giving Pacquiao, but you Pactards will say “it’s nothing” even though Pac’s “master” said so…there’s still a dark cloud around Pacquiao’s UNTIL he submits himself to the BEST tests available, the Olympic style testing, not this so called “better version of the tests the NSAC already does”.

Posted April 14, 2014 5:31 pm 


Another sad day for Pactards

So does this mean Pacman is gonna fight Maequez for the. 9th time

Posted April 14, 2014 5:29 pm 


hookoffthejab

All that needs to happen is to have Junior step up and say the word …………And the fight should happen apart from BoooB Arum sticking his big nose in Juniors face and rubbing him the wrong way …………The fight would gather so much interest ……The fight of the decade or century it could be billed ………….The biggest money making fight out there …………No excuses for it not to be made ………..

Posted April 14, 2014 5:28 pm 


B Red

Bob is ducking the fight. Alvarado is no match for Pac, and the Marquez Pac series has run its course

Posted April 14, 2014 5:27 pm 


Another sad day for Pactards

Or the fight is to big . So Bob the “snake” needs to build a stadium on the moon.

Posted April 14, 2014 5:23 pm 


Another sad day for Pactards

Old foot . You mean how pacroid turns down $40 mill or needs 9 months for a cut to heal. Or is scared of needles

Posted April 14, 2014 5:20 pm 


Old Coot

@ Peej: I see you will keep deluding yourself that Manny was ever somehow scared of the likes of Floyd, when EVERY word and deed by Floyd over the last FIVE YEARS, especailly not simply shutting us Pac fans up for FIVE YEARS!!… Proves ole Voyd, probably literally pissies his Pampers everytime he hears the name Pacquiao! LOL!!

Posted April 14, 2014 5:09 pm 


PEEJ

Lets see if Arum has the balls to stick Pac in with Floyd, doubt it because he is already talking about putting him in with Marquez or Alverado. Arum is a senile old crook but he isn’t dumb. He knows when a fighter can and cannot win a fight. That is why he has been so reluctant to put Pac in with Floyd.

Posted April 14, 2014 4:59 pm 


PEEJ

And no they have not settled the drug testing issue. Pac is still reluctant. Just like Bradley did the Vada testing, Pac declined to do that, he did the one Nevada issued so he is still having issues taking those enhanced random testing.

Posted April 14, 2014 4:58 pm 


PEEJ

Oh how the tables have now turned, Ariza is now suing Roach for slander. When Roach did the interview saying Ariza was giving Pac some drink and never told him what it was and said he knew he was shady.

Posted April 14, 2014 4:57 pm 


Old Coot

TARK: That’s right… Manny said he will agree to all Floyd’s drug-tests and that Floyd and GBP both had to pay Manny an undisclosed defamation and slander settlement in court, because neither showed up to try to substantiate their PED allegations.

Posted April 14, 2014 4:56 pm 


Shane

Pacs style is not built to last. It is amazing he can still be as good as he is….which is nowhere near as good as 5 years ago when the FMJ fight should have happened with both peaking. FMJ deep down knows what he has done. His style is built long term but boring as hell. He “waited” Pac out. Just like every other “threat” he waited until they slowed. Prime Mosley catches FMJ mid round 2 with that shot….he FINISHES him. Smoke and mirrors surround his entire career. But…if FMJ hangs out a bit too long we WILL see him just a second too slow with his cherry opponent at a time and the “MAYWEATHER” chin will show and he will join his dad and uncle in being concussed. This fight was going to be the biggest in history. FMJ could have seized it or been koed while Pac did. He ducked….until it was much “safer”. This fight is meaningless now. I have zero interest seeing an out of prime Pac be another FMJ safety valve fight. We were robbed as fans of history making. It is FMJs fault. Legacy don’t pay bills he said. He could have just FOUGHT him no excuses, no worries. He made a choice, Pacs legacy secure. I wouldn’t give turd for FMJs. He cant call himself the GOAT!? What a joke. Sugar Ray Robinson is the best ever followed by SRL. FMJ belongs in the hall of very good defensive boxer in choosing and boxing his choice. Canelo was no Raging Bull. He just wants you to believe he was.

Posted April 14, 2014 4:55 pm 


Titopa

Dan D – Rob Arum wants a 50/50 split. He won’t take anything less. Trust me.

Posted April 14, 2014 4:50 pm 


Titopa

Hecdog – Once the PPV numbers are in, we’ll see just how “influential” he is. Cause from what I’ve heard/read, Rob Arum is pretty worried about May 3rd, he’s begging boxing fans to “boycott that bs”….hmmm.

Posted April 14, 2014 4:49 pm 


Cupey Alto

After Floyd. The eternal whinging mexi-cant Marquez is next.

Posted April 14, 2014 4:41 pm 


Cupey Alto

Great win by the best fighter of his geneneration.

Posted April 14, 2014 4:39 pm 


Hecdog

Manny Pacquiao is Boxing’s most important and influential prize fighter today. There is no comparison. Manny routinely fights the best of his era, and put son a show. The fight everyone has been wanting to see for 6 years will never happen. The drug testing issues have been resolved a long time ago. The truth is that Floyd Mayweather truly FEARS Manny Pacquiao. Sparring partners that have been in there with both all say the same thing. Manny is something special. You can’t see his punches, his movement and angles he throws punches at are incredible. And his power is destructive. Floyd’s family (dad, uncles) have been outspoken for years regarding Floyd’s safty if he were to fight Manny Pacquiao. It’s out in the open now. Floyd Mayweather has ruined his already tarnished image forever. Never has a boxing champion been questioned by so many of his own peers. Manny Pacquiao continues to earn more credibility and admiration by taking on the best in boxing. He has nothing to prove. Manny Pacquiao proved to the world that he fights for the fans. He gives 100% each and every time, and he’s not afraid to take chances. The 15,000 plus fans at the MGM Grand watched a living legend put on a show that no one will ever forget. Manny Pacquiao will never be forgotten. He has never had an easy fight. The best ever. Trust me on this.

Posted April 14, 2014 4:35 pm 


Old Coot

@ Peej: Havn’t you heard? We got all the stadium any event could EVER need!… It’s called AT&T Stadium, aka, Cowboys Stadium… Oh, but that’s right, Pretty Girl VOYD only fights in Vegas anymore because it’s the only place where it’s legal to shoot up your dick-beaters with Zylocaine before a fight. LOL!!!

Posted April 14, 2014 4:18 pm 


TARK

PEEJ.., “All this crap about Pac not being on the juice and saying Floyd should have no more excuses. You still have to take the test. You can go to a job interview and tell them I am not taking anything but you know what, before you start, you gonna take a drug test.”

They settled the drug testing issue years ago… Pacquiao is doing the full testing regimen on his own. Floyd is completely satisfied with Pacquiao on that issue. Floyd paid Pacquiao a sizable cash settlement for his lying public comments on the issue. So did Oscar De La Hoya, GB, and Richard Schaefer. They were all held to account by an American legal system that actually rights wrongs at times — unlike most legal systems in the world.

Floyd is completely satisfied with the money issue too. Pacquiao’s phone line is open 24/7 waiting for Floyd’s people to call. No calls are coming in from Floyd or his people.

Floyd’s new isssue is Arum… but really he’s just chicken … let’s face it.

Posted April 14, 2014 4:15 pm 


Old Coot

Floyd’s secret excuse… “Um skeered!”

Posted April 14, 2014 4:12 pm 


Old Coot

@ Peej: Yak it up, all you like… But you Floydiots and Floydiacs can no longer product your girl from a well-earned and well-deserved beat-down!! LOL!!

Posted April 14, 2014 4:11 pm 


PEEJ

Funny but Pac is the only one with excuses. Old Coot you find out if they built that stadium yet? We already know Floyd can’t fight Pac in Sept because per Arum there just isn’t enough time to promote a fight like that.

Posted April 14, 2014 4:09 pm 


NoEyesBetterThanMine

IF Pacquiao can FINALLY get a knockout WIN over Marquez then the Fight will be as relevant as ever.

Posted April 14, 2014 4:03 pm 


Old Coot

Ole PEEJ is at it again, giving more gratuitous ‘reasons’, LOL, to help Floyd avoid a beat-down.

Posted April 14, 2014 4:03 pm 


Boxtradamus

IF Pacquiao can finally score a knockout vs Marquez the Mayweather Fight will be as relevant as ever.

Posted April 14, 2014 4:01 pm 


Haimat

YES! Vivek Vito Wallace is done insulting Pacquiao, insinuating that he’s on PEDs. Praising Floyd and his persona and accusing Ariza of giving Maidana a miracle pill between the 11th and 12th round. Praising Floyd some more. It’s a good day!

Posted April 14, 2014 3:57 pm 


Dan D

60/40 $ split and random OSDT C’MON guys just fight.

Posted April 14, 2014 3:56 pm 


Boxtradamus

Bradley DID what he had to DO in order to try to WIN. He KNEW he wasn’t getting any decision. SO he went for the knockout. He PLAYED too much though. You don’t PLAY Boxing unless you’re facing #0 P4P ers. Most Top 10 P4P ers are on FIRE. Thats why they’re rated Top 10 P4P. …and when you play with FIRE you get BURNED.

Posted April 14, 2014 3:54 pm 


Dan D

Pacquiao has slowed down. Question marks still remain over his ability to take a full drugs test. I really wish he would take the tests and Floyd would take the fight. For 5 years now we’ve wanted to see this fight but greed and egos have denied us, the loyal fans that support and pay through our noses. We deserve this fight this year before it becomes irrelevant.

Posted April 14, 2014 3:54 pm 


TARK

@ etumbi etumbo etumba…,

between 18 and 40 age is usually NOT a factor in the loss of muscle mass. Testosterone levels are generally good and you will generally maintain your mass like Floyd is doing. Bradley and Floyd have bicep girth that is much bigger than Pac at present. It doesn’t mean they punch as hard but they’re probably stronger for sheer arm strength.

When you change your strength training regimen it affects your muscularity. If you can do 30 consecutive full-range chin-ups from a dead hang—and that takes about 5 years to accomplish, you’re going to have sizable and powerful biceps. If you can do 300 consecutive full-range pushups, which also takes a few years to accomplish, you’re going to have powerful triceps. If you can run 5 miles in 30 minutes and recover in 5 minutes, and you’re a heavyweight, your heart is fantastically strong.

But let’s say you stop doing chin-ups and push-ups, and start doing 8-mile runs—because your new conditioning trainer says all the arm work is slowing you down … guess what happens???

Eureka!!! Your arms get a lot thinner.

Posted April 14, 2014 3:51 pm 


PEEJ

All this crap about Pac not being on the juice and saying Floyd should have no more excuses. You still have to take the test. You can go to a job interview and tell them I am not taking anything but you know what, before you start, you gonna take a drug test.

Posted April 14, 2014 3:49 pm 


PEEJ

Old Coot at it again. Fact is Pac doesn’t deserve even money, has turned down testing, even with Bradley. Bradley took the higher road and did the more rigorous testing and of course Pac declined. Pac had a good win this weekend but in no way does it make him even money. Once the PPV numbers are released and the ticket sells are released it will once again show why Floyd is the king when it comes to ticket sells and PPV sells and why he gets the huge cut of the pie. Arum is just a bitter old man upset at himself that he passed up a huge pay day back in the day between Pac vs Floyd.

Posted April 14, 2014 3:48 pm 


K.C.

Tedumbo… In hiding like the true coward he is!

Posted April 14, 2014 3:39 pm 


Old Coot

@ Punch: We’ll see… But then likely not… Floyd is STILL not going to fight him. Despite how Floyd’s gratuitous PED accusations and test demands, his unreasonable purse/ppv split demands, and claiming that Manny is “no longer worthy” due to recent losses, and the oldie but goodie, that “Manny gotta leave Bob Arum first.”, excuses are ALL worn out now… But we’re talking Floyd, so you gotta have faith that he will concoct some creative new ‘reasons’ (more like excuses) to duck the guy.

Posted April 14, 2014 3:35 pm 


punch

If Floyd had fought the Bradley we saw on Saturday night with his footwork out of whack and all that showboating, he would have beaten Bradley like he stole something from him. As regards Manny, Floyd will ultimately take him to school when they meet.

Posted April 14, 2014 3:23 pm 


Old Coot

And one more thing, besides… If Floyd’s fans all DO think Manny is no longer on ‘juice’, then that just means Floyd REALLY has no more excuses.

Posted April 14, 2014 3:19 pm 


Old Coot

@ etumbi etumbo etumba: You nailed it… Manny is getting older and decided to trim down to keep his speed, foot-work agility and stamina… Not because of any ‘doping’… Truth be known, most Floyd fans don’t REALLY think Manny was ever on anything. They just went along with their hero, Floyd’s ducking tactics.

Posted April 14, 2014 3:16 pm 


Old Coot

Good article Vivek… I actually agreed with most of it for once… But all that aside, the bottom-dollar-line is that ONLY, ‘THE fight’ VS Mayweather can prove or disprove whether Manny is truly as great as we, his fans, think.

Posted April 14, 2014 3:12 pm 


etumbi etumbo etumba

“Jake Lead Rights”:

“Question…Does Manny still have that Power Pac Punch to KO his opponents? I can only go by what I see and what I see is a man that doesnt have the muscle mass he had when he last fought Cotto. What does that tell me? It tells me is that his juice is gone and Pac Power is lost.”

This kind of question derives from pure hate in the likes of “te tumbo”. Doesn’t ever consider the age factor but it goes to show that OLD* Marquez got his power & muscles by knowingly hiring a well known trainer of undetectable PED’s inducer huh???

Posted April 14, 2014 3:04 pm 


TARK

EZ E.., Good points… Viv is very biased… Agree 100%

@ GMAN/Kevin/Vivek.., Floyd is an American. He’s the biggest draw in the history of Boxing. He’s unusual because the previous biggest draws— going back over 125 years—were Jack Dempsey and Mike Tyson. They were heavyweights, and walk-in sluggers who featured sensational KO’s. They stoked people up with excitement.

Floyd’s appeal is the idea that he might be the GOAT. That he might be the best ever.

Pacquiao is an exciting battler who knocked people dead at 118-140—but boxes more as a very small welterweight. He’s still speedy. He was never going to KO Mosley, Clottey, Rios, or even Bradley. He doesn’t have the size, girth, strength, and power to flatten people at 147. He’s the 2nd biggest draw in Boxing but not quite where Floyd is. He’s very fast, crafty and fun to watch. Most people who meet Pacquiao like him. He’s very charismatic.

This whole issue isn’t about Arum, Floyd, or Pacquiao.. It’s about a fight that everyone wants to see … Everyone but Floyd.

Floyd doesn’t want to risk his precious “O.” Floyd believes the O makes him unique. It’s all about the O. No other boxer who’s been on top for so many years, and fought so many world champions, ever kept his O intact. That’s why, whenever this fight gets close—Floyd puts a new twist on getting it done. He sees Pacquiao as a formidable opponent.

Floyd didn’t invent ducking. They all ducked. But this is a unique matchup that has captured the world’s imagination. I don’t think Floyd realizes what this fight really is. It’s East vs West, the perfect clash of styles, and everything else you could possibly imagine in a fight.

Posted April 14, 2014 2:55 pm 


Dave

Bradley needs to dump the weights and get a new trainer.

Posted April 14, 2014 2:48 pm 


TJ

sorry…hate predictive text. should read a while and should also read I no longer get het up over stuff.

Posted April 14, 2014 2:17 pm 


Mike Tyson

If Floyd fought rio. Floyd would win and escape the ko by his experience, (as would Bradley or PAC or Marquez, the top A-fighter.). And Floyd would win by a UD.

And what did PAC do? He beat rio up and won by UD

That the diffrent between the boxer/ slugger( not a slugger alone rio ) vs a slick boxer

Posted April 14, 2014 2:15 pm 


TJ

HIDALGO

YOU may not have understood my last post.

I agree with VIVEK that COTTO used to be a consumate boxer and I didn’t go with all the hooplah of him turning into a guy who was prepared to take a few to land a few. I’ve posted my views on COTTO many times as he has always been one of my favourite boxers.

HIDALGO,

I’ve also posted that I no longer read the comments of the writers on these forums, I seriously only skim through other poster’s comments. I have an issue with a lot of writers on ESB, I’m not naming any names here. My issues with the writers is they are generally biased in favour of one side or another and regurgitate the same old, same old. I laid out my gripes with the writers and made alternative suggestions and was BLOCKED from ESB for a whole and then decided to not bother with ESB for a couple of months.

I’m quite glad, as I no longer get her up over stuff that ultimately doesn’t affect me one way or another!

I’ll give VIVEK one thing, at least he bothers to communicate with you guys and respond to your criticisms. A lot of writers on here treat us writers like we have the plague.

Always great to correspond with you HIDALGO. I only picked up on that one point. COTTO was and always did have good boxing acumen.

Posted April 14, 2014 2:12 pm 


EZ E

@HIDALGO & TARK In my humble opinion Vivek has good writing talents but ISN’T a very good BOXING WRITER, fairly average. Maybe if he wasn’t so biased and less full of himself he’d be more creditable. And this wasn’t one of his better pieces, basically in the category of his others. We already know about his “Floyd hugging” so it’s to be expected so it doesn’t really bother me. It’s no secret that he is VERY careful not to say anything, whether the truth or not, that will come close to “tarnishing” Floyd’s image nor anyone involved with the Money Team. Yes, his articles are filled with easy to pick out biased rhetoric which he vainly attempts to disguise. But it is what it is. Don’t expect anything different, he is what he is. When I do read some/parts his articles it’s basically to see the feedback comments, although he does have some interesting views sprinkled in here & there, that I will admit and give him props for. All in all.. Vivek is Vivek, he is what he is, it is what it is. Peace!

Posted April 14, 2014 2:12 pm 


Mike Tyson

You can’t judge PAC speed by the second fight, the logic is all wrong, if you judge PAC speed by his first fight he beating Bradley by a UD is proof he faster, or he wouldn’t win.

If you judge PAC speed from cotto ,margarito, Mosley, etc. these fighter are slower that Bradley maybe B-rated fighter then, Bradley speed which is as fast as Floyd or even faster, made PAC look not as fast, as the advantage speed gave him over B-rated fighter.

Bradley was undefeated and a prime fighter his coffadance was sky high, and nobody would have ko him. Not prov, full out contact 4+ times not PAC , not Marquez , not Floyd , not maidana ,
The only way to beat Bradley is to out punch him PAC did just that. PAC was at his fastest weight 145 lb

Bradley fighting Floyd would have gone to the decision as he throwing over 1,000 punches a fight.
Floyd doesn’t like fighter like this, he want slow slugger that can’t build points and he just ex cape the ko and win as touchable in a UD. How many fight we have seen this

Your only as good as your opponate, what the odds for the maidana fight 10-1 Floyd .they are not dumb .And fooled

Posted April 14, 2014 2:07 pm 


GMAN

This is what Arum see and he is piss.. Please look at the numbers. Haters respect Greatness Mayweather is TBE
The Mayweather vs Maidana fight (according to the live conference call I took part in) has already amassed $14.2M in tickets sold for the live gate. That was weeks ago! Pacquiao vs Bradley gate money in comparison barely scratched the surface of $8M according to multiple sources. So, even if loyalty wasn’t enough to support the MGM Grand’s position, the raw data made possible by conclusive numbers gives a clear and concise position on who they should be supporting. So, again, Arum has put himself in a very difficult situation, all because of certain business practices that have not only hurt the sport, but backfired and hurt his business to an extent. He wasn’t able to build that “outdoor stadium” he told us about that held up Mayweather/Pacquiao in the past. Now that he’s pretty much burned this bridge, perhaps he’ll finally get it done! Just a thought. Stay tuned….

Posted April 14, 2014 1:42 pm 


Jake Lead Rights

TB is an experienced fighter and for this reason is why i’m disappointed with him in this fight. i’ve always been impressed with TB’s fights he always finds ways to adapt, improvise and overcome. That wasnt the case in this fight.
TB had much to prove, he wanted to shut everyone up by doing what only one mans done before. So his ego and got the best of him and figured he could overcome Pac’s speed and take a few to land his Hay Maker. Terrible fight plan.
Pac on the other hand as we seem to agree is he did exactly what he was set out to do. BE BUSIER! He wasnt about the KO.

Posted April 14, 2014 1:36 pm 


Kevin

I cannot believe some of you are so blind. I have never been in a boxing forum but I don’t think I’ll make it a regular thing. This is so elementary. And some of you are mad at the writer but I don’t see anything that he lied about. These are direct quotes. There’s not a bigger Pacquiao fan than me, but I can admit truth when I see it. Arum doesn’t want this fight and Roach has said before and now on record again, “Arum wants this to be our last fight”. WTF is up with some of you morons? OMG

Posted April 14, 2014 1:26 pm 


TARK

@ Jake Lead Rights.., If you’re an experienced pro you go with your game plan. Tim wanted the KO and went for it.

Joel Diaz should have started with this for Bradley: If Tim can outbox Marquez, who’s a very crafty boxer-counterpuncher — then Tim should try to outbox Pacquiao — who is a boxer-fighter, loves to engage, and can punch harder than Tim … That’s boxing strategy 101

Pacquiao is an open book. What he tells the media is usually what he actually does. He said repeatedly that he needed to be busier and throw more punches than the first fight. Pac’s physique also looked leaner and lighter. That backed up the premise that he was looking to throw a lot, and probably looking for a 12-round fight.

Tim seemed to be getting under Pac’s skin by saying his killer instinct hit the skids and his focus isn’t on Boxing—but his attention is more on politics et al. It always helps if you can needle your opponent, and Pacquiao verbally agreed with many of Bradley’s assessments.

Obviously Pacquiao didn’t just fall off the turnip truck. He knew Tim was trying to bait him into going for the KO. But it follows that he was going to throw a lot of punches and give Tim a lot of opportunities to score. If Tim boxed, boxed, boxed…he might have done that. When Tim started ripping Pacquiao adjusted. He laid back and started boxing. I believe Pac would have won anyway—but Tim gave it to him.

Posted April 14, 2014 1:25 pm 


Jake Lead Rights

@ Tark……The team game plan was a you said, but his words were KO. That’s all you heard from TB. So for a man that only has about 12 KO’s as a pro should tell you that he doesnt carry a heavy punch. I agree somewhat with VW you train and practice but in the end your inner self comes out and you fight the only way you know how. I say this also because we’ve seen it time and time again…..I have to agree with onle of the posters….too many babies on these threads….it’s fun to have an educated arguement but when name calling starts the arguement has deteriorated to ghetto. Raise the bar gentlemen. It’s ok to disagree….

Posted April 14, 2014 1:18 pm 


teepee

Arum said the same old bs last time when all arum has to do let pac free for one fight and pac can pay him a certain % from the fight

Posted April 14, 2014 1:15 pm 


PutangInaMoPacquiao

dipinds on my promotor, Bob Arum

Posted April 14, 2014 1:03 pm 


Haimat

and Vivek, don’t take it as a compliment for me “following your work” nor as a sign of respect. You simply suck at what you do and I find it enjoyable from time to time to read what the worst scribe has to say. Peas

Posted April 14, 2014 1:02 pm 


Haimat

Vivek is such a worthless boxing scribe. It’s hilarious. I cannot see who would pay this dude anything. He’s never written a piece without mentioning Floyd’s name 10 times in each article. He knows as much about boxing as Justin Bieber. He’s simply the worst boxing scribe on the web right now.

Posted April 14, 2014 1:00 pm 


Clara

I love reading these comments. You guys are big babies.

Posted April 14, 2014 12:51 pm 


Tomato Can

Pacquiao got himself a good win this past weekend, He took some punches and didn’t let the JMM KO loss haunt him. That being said, he’s not the fighter he once was, but that’s to be expected… Arum, seems to really want the Mayweather fight, maybe. To tell the truth, I don’t know who to believe, nor do I care to waste anymore time worrying about it. If the fight happens, great, if not, that’s too bad for us fans and both fighters. But at this point, it’s not the same fight it was going to be a few years ago… As for Lara/Canelo, I happy to hear it’s happening. This is a great match up. I’m leaning towards Lara in an upset.

Posted April 14, 2014 12:19 pm 


Jake Lead Rights

Question…Does Manny still have that Power Pac Punch to KO his opponents? I can only go by what I see and what I see is a man that doesnt have the muscle mass he had when he last fought Cotto. What does that tell me? It tells me is that his juice is gone and Pac Power is lost.

Posted April 14, 2014 12:18 pm 


Gus

Bradley backed off after the 5th round because he sensed he did not inflicted the damage on Pacman as he ans his camp anticipated. He knew that if he kept up that pace he would be stopped in the late rounds. Bradley and his handlers underestimated Pacmans durability – he may have lost some speed but not durability for the long haul.

Posted April 14, 2014 12:08 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

“It’s one thing to work on a particular set during camp; but in the heat of the battle, a veteran will revert to those tendencies that are deeply rooted and engrained in the brain every single time.”

That’s a known fact, been that way forever…

Posted April 14, 2014 11:44 am 


Hidalgo

“Hidalgo, i respect your opinion, but i’m not wasting time with ANYONE who i don’t find credible.”

Look in the mirror, Vivek. That’s the number one guy you should stop wasting your time with because he is not credible at all.

Posted April 14, 2014 11:28 am 


Hidalgo

“VIVEK WALLACE and HIDALGO

I absolutely agree with VIVEK about Miguel COTTO”

So, TJ, how does one example–or even five–prove that ” a veteran will revert to those tendencies that are deeply rooted and engrained in the brain every single time?”

Answer: It doesn’t. Not in any way, shape, or form.

Posted April 14, 2014 11:27 am 


Hidalgo

“Hidalgo: The only way those “higher priced tickets” were made possible is bcuz of DEMAND! ”

Demand is only one dynamic for determining ticket prices.
Floyd’s demand for a huge purse is another, and his “purse” likely is the greatest influencing factor on ticket prices for his fights. Showtime’s demand for profit is another. Promoting a Mayweather fight is a very expensive endeavor–it costs millions.

It’s silly to think that only demand drives the price of tickets.

Posted April 14, 2014 11:25 am 


TJ

VIVEK WALLACE and HIDALGO

I absolutely agree with VIVEK about Miguel COTTO, who has always been an absolute favourite of mine. COTTO was a consumate boxer right up until he struggled to make weight and had that amazing shoot-out with puncher Ricardo Torres at 140.
COTTO moved up and became in many people’s eyes more exciting, hit in my eyes more reckless and more likely to get tagged and beaten up. If you review his climb to the top he had a brilliant jab and hook and was more methodical with every thing he did, but then review his fights with Judah, Mosley and after he got hit more, he exchanged more and neglected his brilliant boxing skills in many of those fights, deciding to go to war until he was unhinged by the PACMAN!

I have written countless times on here that COTTO neglected his boxing to go to war and make those dollars. I believe he would have been even greater if he had kept his style at Jnr Welter and could have beaten them all, because along with the skills he showed me he had a great fighting heart, refusing to fall to Torres.

Take a look at the first 4 or 5 rounds vs MARGARITO and tell me anyone who could box as brilliantly as that. I believe it was only the “hands of stone” in Tony’s hands that night that forced Miguel to quit !

Posted April 14, 2014 11:25 am 


Manny The Magnificent

My friends and fellow fight fans, what we saw, what we witnessed on Saturday April 12 2014 at the MGM in Las Vegas was TRULY AMAZING, ASTOUNDING and HEART WARMING. MANNY ‘The Pacman’ PACQUIAO, THE UNPRECEDENTED 8 WEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD, RING MAGAZINE FIGHTER OF THE YEAR X 3, AND, of course, FIGHTER OF THE DECADE, in the 63rd Fight of a TRULY ILLUSTRIOUS CAREER, SCALED EVEN GREATER HEIGHTS THAN WE THOUGHT WAS HUMANLY POSSIBLE. He put on a Boxing Masterclass to COMPREHENSIVELY DISMANTLE THE P4P #3 Boxer in the World, the Undefeated Timothy Bradley with a WIDE UNANIMOUS DECISION, 116-112 116-112 and 118-110. Bradley was not just merely beaten, my friends. Bradley was bewildered, Bradley was bemused and Bradley was bewitched and befuddled by the Mesmeric little Filipino Magician in front of him. Bradley, an outstanding fighter himself, simply could not cope with a fighter of Pacman’s UNDISPUTED GREATNESS. That Says It All. There we have the Magnitude of Manny’s performance last Saturday night. People wrote Manny off. They said Manny was done. They said Manny was destroyed. They said Manny was down for the count…Oh ye of little faith….What we saw was Almost a Boxing Resurrection comparable to the Miracle of Lazarus…Manny is BACK! Manny has RETURNED! Manny put Right the Wrong done to him in the year 2012. Manny is STILL able to produce the goods on the Big Stage! My people, Manny is Back at the ELEVATED Position of P4P #2 Boxer in the World! Floyd Mayweather is somehow rated #1. My friends, there is ONLY ONE KING OF BOXING…That man is MANNY PACQUIAO, THE FIGHTING LION OF THE PHILIPPINES, THE REAL and AUTHENTIC P4P #1 AND GLOBALLY REVERED and ADMIRED, yet still Humble, SUPERSTAR OF THE FIGHT GAME. Manny was ONCE AGAIN The Peerless Punishing Punching Precise Pugilistic Purveyor of Perfection AND the Fearless Ferocious Fantastic Fighting Filipino Phenomenon of old, a Dancing Dominating Destructive Destroyer as he gave Tim ‘The Desert Storm’ Bradley a Boxing Lesson in the Fight Capital of the World. Tim was little more than a Gentle Breeze on the night as Manny once again proved to be a Hurricane of Hurt, a Tornado of Tremendous Terror, a Tsanami of Scintillating Silky Skills and a Whirling Dervish of a Whirlwind in RECLAIMING HIS WBO WORLD WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP. My friends, my people, The One And Only MANNY PACQUIAO, THE MULTI WEIGHT WORLD CHAMPION, MIGHTY ATOM OF THE RING AND FIGHTER OF THE DECADE, is a LEGENDARY BOXER who will LIVE FOREVER IN THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF EVERYONE WHO HAS SEEN HIM FIGHT. Manny is A BOXER WITHOUT COMPARE, WITHOUT EQUAL. Manny Pacquiao is, quite simply, THE BEST.

Posted April 14, 2014 11:23 am 


Vivek Vito Wallace

Hidalgo, i respect your opinion, but i’m not wasting time with ANYONE who i don’t find credible. So the fact that you so consistently are hear reading newspaper length text online week in and week out tell me at the very least you respect my delivery. And that’s all i want. You don’t have to agree. I don’t like a room full of “yes men”…so please, speak your piece. But continue to respect my delivery, whether you’re willing to admit it or not. Gotta run, brother.

Posted April 14, 2014 11:17 am 


Hidalgo

Bradley’s game plan is what we saw in the fight. What we also saw was that he cannot handle Pacs workrate or fighting style, and as a result, Bradley suffered another injury to one of his legs (his calf). Pac had Bradley flustered and mentally defeated by the end of the sixth round. Bradley didn’t deter from his game plan–it was just a bad plan!

Posted April 14, 2014 11:13 am 


Hidalgo

Vivek, I’m not sensitive at all. I’m no “pactard” or “pacturd.” My favorite fighter is NOT Manny Pacquiao. I’m just calling you out, as I always do, on your constant bashing of Manny Pacquiao and your incessant lauding of Floyd Mayweather Jr.

You veil your biased agenda with fluff and rhetoric. But all any modestly astute boxing fans has to do is read between the lines and they will understand what you are all about when it comes to Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Posted April 14, 2014 11:10 am 


Hidalgo

“Hidalgo: The only way those “higher priced tickets” were made possible is bcuz of DEMAND! ”

Hogwash.

Posted April 14, 2014 11:05 am 


Vivek Vito Wallace

Hidalgo: Cotto is the closest i’ve seen a veteran of over 9-10yrs or so be able to change his style, but technically, even he didn’t, bcuz he was a pure boxer going back to his amateur days. He BECAME a brawler. But when he started getting touched, that boxing went out the back window like it did in the past. You guys are soooo sensitive it’s hilarious. You really are. No one is talking about Pacquiao. As i said, the guy is 85% of who he was, but even that beats 99.9% of what’s out there. If that isn’t good enough….kick rocks, my man! (And thank you also for the continued support….as you faithfully and continuously have read and followed my work….whether you agree or not). I love the loyalty. Peace…

Posted April 14, 2014 11:00 am 


Vivek Vito Wallace

Hidalgo: The only way those “higher priced tickets” were made possible is bcuz of DEMAND! Are you familiar with that word, young lad? DEMAND! That’s the same reason you pay $300 for a pair of Jordan’s and only $55 for a pair of Converse. The higher the demand, the higher a company can set the asking price. Ask yourself how they were able to price them SOOOO HIGH and STILL sell out in a day or so….as opposed to this fight where a fellow colleague got his wife and daughter a ticket two days before the fight. It’s not about bashing anyone. It’s about pointing out truths that people like you fail to identify. On that note, I’m gonna walk out of the room bcuz guys like you get their panties in a twist every time someone speaks a truth you aren’t ready to accept and it’s sad. Pacquiao is great, but NO….he’s no longer who he was. Live with it and let it go bcuz none of us are. It’s called “age”, brother. Get over it. (And by the way….thanks for faithfully and consistently following my material. It’s been many years now and i appreciate that). Peace….

Posted April 14, 2014 10:57 am 


Hidalgo

“Vivek says.., “It’s one thing to work on a particular set during camp; but in the heat of the battle, a veteran will revert to those tendencies that are deeply rooted and engrained in the brain every single time.”

That’s a bunch of hogwash — and one of the dumbest pieces of analysis ever. ”

That it is, Tark, and it just displays Wallace’s ignorance about boxing. But hey, we already knew that.

Posted April 14, 2014 10:52 am 


DaTruth

If Floyd looks bad or doesn’t really impress vs Maidana he will be in a bad position. If Maidana pulls off the impossible and drops or KO’s Floyd then floyd is fk’d.

Posted April 14, 2014 10:50 am 


TARK

Vivek says.., “It’s one thing to work on a particular set during camp; but in the heat of the battle, a veteran will revert to those tendencies that are deeply rooted and engrained in the brain every single time.”

That’s a bunch of hogwash — and one of the dumbest pieces of analysis ever.

In the heat of battle a highly skilled veteran like TB generally sticks to the game plan. His major problem was with his battle plan. It was deeply flawed.

Tim’s game plan for Marquez was to jab, move, throw fast accurate flurries, and smartly defend JMM’s counterpunching tendencies. He brilliantly stuck with the game plan in a very disciplined way, without reverted to “brain ingrained tendencies.” As a 10 year professional and 6 year world champion Tim has the discipline to box. His best talent is not flinging KO shots and knocking tough and skilled 20-year-veterans out.

Tim had a dumb game plan for Pacquiao. Tim lacks power but he was swinging for the parking lot. He made it easy for Manny by trying to bait him into a huge punch. He certainly surprised Pacquiao early by doing the unexpected—but the crafty veteran adjusted well and started picking Tim off with ease. What should have been a great, closely contested, and tough fight, became almost a sparring session as the fight wore on.

Posted April 14, 2014 10:40 am 


Smoke@Mirrors

Vivek, I’m not disagreeing with your assessment of Bradley. I’m not sure he’s ever going to be the mountain peak of boxing, but I really can’t understand why the guy doesn’t get more respect. He’s certainly not just a “contender”. The guy is a champion through and through.

I thought he handled his first loss with class. Moreover, its not like he did that poorly against Pac-man, a first-ballet hall of famer.

I think Bradley does from time to time appear to be trying a little to hard to impress which doesn’t really fit the profile of the “top dog, alpha male”. That may account for some of the public perception. However, what more could possibly be asked of a fighter? The guy started from the bottom, now he’s here, you know? He clawed his way up, stayed humble, presents himself as articulate, honest, and kind-hearted. Over the years I’ve personally become a fan (obviously) and just can’t see why Timothy Bradley tends to get treated like the annoying friend of a friend that crashes a party and won’t take the hint that he’s not welcome. Boxing needs a lot more Timothy Bradley’s.

Posted April 14, 2014 9:50 am 


Jay rock

Arum always has done bad for pacman the last two years

Posted April 14, 2014 8:30 am 


chuck

Vivek the proverbial of proverbial one line TV hooka monster!

Posted April 14, 2014 8:26 am 


Loki the Loco

I don’t understand what’s the big deal about Pac beating Bradley again. He beat him the first time. If anything, all the hoopla should be for the judges not effing it up this time.

Pac should fight Marquez, Canelo or Lara next. If he KO Marquez or beat Canelo or Lara, and Floyd still say he won’t fight Pac because Pac is a loser, then Floyd is really ducking him.

Of course, Pac should submit to RBT up to fight night. If Pac still won’t, then he is ducking Floyd and/or hiding something. Pac should alos not demand 50-50. After Pac beats floyd, Pac can demand more than Floyd.

It sound so simple, but that’s how most casual fans see it anyway — simple.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:47 am 


big moe

Good stuff vivek. Men and women lie. Numbers dont. Arum is burning bridges and now hes has to come back across. It didnt matter if the posters were up or not, arum didnt even advertise the fight. I finally saw commercials two days before the fight. His press tours are usually only two days and his fight cards suck.

And yes arum is the main reason the pac floyd fight hasnt happened. He cant control floyd. Floyd left top rank…he the oscar fighr. Cotto left top rank…the floyd fight happened.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:45 am 


chicago guy

ESB is pro-Floyd and blocking my comment my opinion.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:36 am 


focker

Before April 12, floydiots want Floyd to fight Bradley, now suddenly he is bum, Bradley is undefeated and number 3 P4P, if he is bum then P4P list have no meaning. Bradley beat Devon Alexander who beat Maidana that Floyd fighting now, who is fighting bum now.

Posted April 14, 2014 7:32 am 


RAYGORDON REID

vivek igot canelo over lara

Posted April 14, 2014 7:01 am 


Haimat

Vivek tries to present Arum as responsible for Mayweather not fighting Pac. It’s just as ridiculous as it is when Floyd says the same thing.
Vivek the “scribe” is the biggest fan-boy of Mayweather/Al Haymond and the people who mess up boxing today.
The problem is not Arum, Pac nor Dibella. The problem is Al Haymond and the way he does business. Little rats like Vivek are just people to put BS like this out there. Vivek is as intelligent as your average child so don’t expect him in any way be critical to the sources that he’s given. Do expect him to continue to ask himself questions from imaginary people like Basilio A. (Orlando, FL), or Carin V. (Bronx, NYC).

Posted April 14, 2014 6:28 am 


Auzbox

PAC still dominating champs and taking 0s. More than floyd infact

Posted April 14, 2014 6:18 am 



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